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F I D O N E W S -- | Vol. 9 No. 44 (2 November 1992)
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A newsletter of the |
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FidoNet BBS community | Published by:
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/ \ | "FidoNews" BBS
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/|oo \ | +1-415-863-2739
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(_| /_) | 1:1/1@FidoNet
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_`@/_ \ _ | editor@fidonews.fidonet.org
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| | \ \\ |
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| (*) | \ )) | Editors:
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|__U__| / \// | Tom Jennings
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_//|| _\ / | Tim Pozar
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(_/(_|(____/ |
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(jm) | Newspapers should have no friends.
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| -- JOSEPH PULITZER
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For information, copyrights, article submissions, obtaining copies and
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so on, please refer to the end of this file.
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Table of Contents
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1. EDITORIAL ..................................................... 1
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editoriaL; WEe Gots Articulls tewday .......................... 1
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2. ARTICLES ...................................................... 2
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How FidoNet<tm> Tunnels the Internet .......................... 2
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Zone 4 - The Sound of the Whistle ............................. 7
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Freedom and privacy ........................................... 14
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Your Biological Resource Discussion Area: The Evolution Echo .. 17
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The Brigadoon Village Network ................................. 19
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Invitation into DebNet Network ................................ 19
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3. FIDONEWS INFORMATION .......................................... 21
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FidoNews 9-44 Page 1 2 Nov 1992
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EDITORIAL
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editoriaL; WEe Gots Articulls tewday
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by Tom Jennings (1:1/1)
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Some interesting articles this week... I'll let them speak for
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themselves. FidoNet is rapidly becoming part of the world-wide
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networking world, in some cases dragged kicking and screaming, but
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mostly quite enthusiastically. Personally, I think it's great, the
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more connectivity the better. It does bring with it all sorts of
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problems, technical and otherwise, but hey, this *is* an experimental
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amateur (in the nicest sense of that word) network. Change is our
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middle name (if we could only figger out what our first and last names
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are...).
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* * * * *
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WHINE MODE:
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OK, I give up. I admit defeat. I cannot win. Stupidity rules the
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planet.
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I have applied for another node number for FidoNews, to replace 1:1/1.
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I have also suggested that 1:1/1 be set aside for time immemorial. It
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is the algorithmic "zone gate for zone 1 messages to zone 1", which
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when you think about it is crazy, which is exactly the point -- BRANE
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DED programs and their mental-equiv. sysops send echo tosses to 1:1/1
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when the program and/or the sysop screws up. Which is a lot. Over 300
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messages this week alone. It is most annoying.
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Thank you, thank you, author of MBOUNCE. My solution: I MBOUNCE the
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offenders bad mail, and mark it all for HOLD, so the next time I get a
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bucket of crud, they get to pick it all back up, on their dime (dollar
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(mark (yen (guilder (whatever))))). Annoying! Once they get a bundle
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back, the problem magically disappears. (I tried sending messages to
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the sysop, to no avail.)
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WHINE OFF:
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I wonder if this happens to 2:2/2, 3:3/3... as well.
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FidoNews 9-44 Page 2 2 Nov 1992
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ARTICLES
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How FidoNet<tm> Tunnels the Internet
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Randy Bush 92.9.26
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randy@psg.com 1:105/42
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Copyright 1992, Pacific Systems Group. All rights reserved.
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Introduction
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A number of the FidoNet zonegates tunnel FidoNet-FidoNet traffic over the
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Internet's intercontinental TCP/IP links. This note is a short technical
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explanation of how it is done. For the purposes of this note, it will be
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assumed that you are familiar with FidoNet, TCP/IP, the Internet, and odd
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bits of MS-DOS and uucp cruft.
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Legalities
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FidoNet owes very deep appreciation to the IP networks which have consented
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to the tunneling of FidoNet traffic through them.
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FidoNet has a long-standing written agreement with the Internet not to use
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the Internet for FidoNet-FidoNet traffic without explicit consent. It is
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exceedingly important to note that the tunneling discussed in this note is
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done with the explicit consent and encouragement of the owners of the IP
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links concerned, e.g. EUnet and UNINET-ZA. It is also of note that it has
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been agreed that the traffic on the link between Europe and North America
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will not 'compete' with EUnet, i.e. carry traffic which should, more
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appropriately, be gotten from EUnet directly, such as Internet mailing
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lists, MBAS file requests, ...
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Overview
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A goal of the hack is to make it appear as if the two FidoNet systems had
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actually communicated the 'normal' way by telephone. Hence gating, in the
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UFGATE sense, is not done. Instead, packed and compressed FidoNet files
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(xxxxyyyy.MOn) are magically moved from the sending node's outbound
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directory to the receiving node's inbound. They are then unpacked as if
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they had been transported by phone.
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Files are transported by moving the data from the sending FidoNet node to a
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nearby UNIX<tm> host which is on the Internet. The UNIX host then sends
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the file to a distant UNIX host which, in turn, transfers it to the distant
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FidoNet node.
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FidoNews 9-44 Page 3 2 Nov 1992
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Different transports may be used between the FidoNet node and its local
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UNIX host. Sending and receiving scripts are run on the UNIX hosts in
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order to acommodate these differences. In the examples below, it will be
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assumed that the FidoNet node is on a local ether with its local UNIX host,
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but there are cases where the connection is via uucp etc.
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In order that the file can be routed by the distant UNIX system to the
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target FidoNet node, special processing and routing needs to be done by the
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receiving UNIX system. Hence, inter-UNIX transport by ftp or rcp is
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inappropriate, and uucp over TCP/IP, aka UUCP-t, is used, so that a command
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script may be uuxqted against the data file on the target host.
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The Fidonet Node
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--- ------- ----
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On the local FidoNet node, mail and echomail are processed in the normal
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manner using normal FidoNet tools. I happen to use Binkley and QM because
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of their excellent standards conformity and their attempt to work well
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despite some of the non-conforming brain-damaged implementations out there.
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1:105/42 uses FTP Software's excellent PC/TCP package for IP communication
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with the local SUN UNIX host rain.psg.com. Thus 1:105/42 can rcp, rsh,
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etc. to its ether neighbor.
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On 1:105/42, the FidoNet node actually used as the zonegate, QM packs the
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mail and echomail for the target FidoNet node in an outbound directory as a
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uniquely named file, xxxxyyyy.MO?. As there are only ten possible unique
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files of this form in any one day, *.MO[0-9], the outbound processing of
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the file is done ten or less times in any one day, and is therefore run
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from Binkley's event management system. So, ten times a day, 1:105/42 runs
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the following .BATch file for each of the tunneled connections:
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: %1 - outbound directory
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: %2 - .MOn filename in outbound
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: %3 - target UNIX Internet host
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: %4 - script name on target UNIX Internet host
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: %5 - .flo filename in outbound
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: %6 - target FidoNet node on the other side of %3
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:
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: load ether driver and move to outbound directory
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3c500
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h:
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cd %1
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if not exist %2.* goto noout
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:
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: send the outbound files
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for %%i in (%2.*) do call bink2eux 2fidoeu %%i %3 %4 %6
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del %5.?lo
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:
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:noout
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: go to inbound directory
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FidoNews 9-44 Page 4 2 Nov 1992
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cd h:\105-42
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l:
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cd l:\105-42\files\net\europe
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:receive inbound files
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rcp -b fido@rain.psg.com:%3/* .
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for %%i in (*.*) do rsh rain.psg.com -l fido rm %3/%%i
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: move received file to real inbound directory
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mv *.* ..
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:
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: reset directories and get rid of driver
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cd l:\105-42
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c:
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cd c:\105-42
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inet unload
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The subsidiary .BATch file BINK2UUX.BAT is as follows:
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rcp -b %2 fido@rain.psg.com:%1
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if errorlevel 1 goto end
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rsh rain.psg.com -l fido fido2uucp %1 %2 %3 %4 %5
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if errorlevel 1 goto end
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: set the file length to zero but don't delete it
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nullit %2
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:end
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The Local UNIX Host
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--- ----- ---- ----
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The local UNIX host, rain.psg.com, is a SUN which is on the international
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Internet via UUNET's commercial IP service, AlterNet, at 56kb. It has a
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user account set up named fido, with the directory structure as follows:
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% ls -alg ~fido
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total 9
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drwxrwx--- 7 fido uucp 512 May 30 19:34 ./
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drwxr-xr-x 20 root daemon 512 May 28 07:46 ../
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-rw-r----- 1 fido uucp 83 May 23 18:25 .profile
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-rw-r----- 1 fido uucp 74 Dec 21 1991 .rhosts
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drwxrwx--- 2 fido uucp 512 Sep 20 08:17 2fidoeu/
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drwxrwx--- 2 fido uucp 512 Sep 20 07:02 kudu/
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drwxrwx--- 2 fido uucp 512 Sep 19 21:34 mcsun/
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drwxrwx--- 2 fido uucp 512 Sep 18 07:25 pacifier/
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drwxrwx--- 2 fido uucp 512 Sep 20 04:22 tmp/
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The .rhosts file has an entry for puddle.fidonet.org, the FQDN for its
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local friend 1:105/42, and the .profile has a restricted path as one would
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have for a root account. There is a directory for each of the remote UNIX
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hosts. There is also, in a directory on the .profile path, the script
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invoked by 1:105/42 and that invoked by the remote UNIX system.
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FidoNews 9-44 Page 5 2 Nov 1992
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The script invoked by the rsh in 1:105/42's .BATch file is fido2uucp, and
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is coded as follows:
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#!/bin/sh
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FILE=`echo $2 | tr "[A-Z]" "[a-z]"`
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cd /home/fido/$1
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if test -s $FILE; then
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uux - -r $3!$4 $5 $2 < $FILE
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fi
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rm $FILE
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The fidouucp script invoked by the foreign UNIX system via uuxqt is as
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follows:
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#!/bin/sh
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SPOOL=/home/fido
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SPOOLDIR=$SPOOL/$UU_MACHINE
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SPOOLTMP=$SPOOL/tmp
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file=`echo $2 | tr "[a-z]" "[A-Z]"`
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cat - > $SPOOLTMP/$FILE
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ln $SPOOLTMP/$FILE $SPOOLDIR/$FILE
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rm $SPOOLTMP/$FILE
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find $SPOOLDIR -size 0 -exec rm {} \;
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Tying it all Together
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----- -- --- --------
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Of course, the two UNIX hosts must have uucp accounts for each other which
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allow uuxqting of the appropriate scripts, and providing the appropriate
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directories, Systems (or L.sys) entries, etc. as usual.
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The observant reader will note that the system described above does not
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handle transfer of arbitrary files, but only packed and compressed mail.
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To make the Internet hack more general, i.e. move more than outbound mail,
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we sorely need a DOS command to drive the scripts through the .?LO file in
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the outbound directory. It would be invoked as, for example,
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OFILES <batchname> Z:N/N <more-params>
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OFILES invokes the DOS .BATch file <batchname> once for each file listed in
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the .?LO file of the FidoNet node Z:N/N as follows
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<batchname.BAT> <znn> <filename> <trunc-del-leave> <more-params>
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where
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<batchname.BAT> is the batch file named in the OFILES command
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<znn> is the Z:N/N from the OFILES command
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<filename> is the name of one file in the .?LO filelist
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<trunc-del-leave> is TRUNC, DEL, or LEAVE depending on the .?LO options
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FidoNews 9-44 Page 6 2 Nov 1992
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<more-params> are the rest of the params from the OFILES command
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What is missing is how OFILES knows if it can delete the entry in the .?LO
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file, i.e. if the invoked .BATch file considers itself successful.
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I wish to use it, for example, as
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OFILES BINK2EUR 2:500/1 2fidoeu
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with the .BATch file BINK2EUR as
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IF NOT EXIST %2 GOTO end ; del entry if can't find
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RCP -b %2 fido@rain.psg.com:%4 ; copy the file to UNIX
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IF ERRORLEVEL 1 GOTO error
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RSH rain.psg.com -l fido fido2uucp %2 %4 ; run the UNIX send script
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IF ERRORLEVEL 1 GOTO error
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IF %3 == DEL RM %2 ; delete ^ files
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IF %3 == TRUNC TYPE NUL: > %2 ; truncate # files
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GOTO end
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:error
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<tell OFILES not to delete the entry>
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:end
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Which would allow one to use, for example, file attaches, PLEASE, TICK, ...
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via the Internet hack. Note that this hack would also allow a .BATch
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hacker to drive anything against the list in a .?LO file.
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Acknowledgements
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Daniel Karrenberg, Daniel.Karrenberg@ripe.net, worked out the first UNIX
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script file hacks with me and, more importantly, helped negotiate the very
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generous permission of EUnet to carry the US/Europe traffic.
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Henk Wevers, 2:500/1, helped to sort out the first such connection. We all
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just wish he would share his FidoNet-side code.
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Henk's partner in crime, Louis van Geel, 2:295/3, continues to very helpful
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with the socio-political aspects, which seem to have become more important
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than the technical in FidoNet over the years.
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Dave Wilson, ccdw@hippo.ru.ac.za, and Doug Palin, doug@pacifier.rain.com,
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helped generalize the hack when we added their links. They have also
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contributed code.
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Vince Perriello, 1:343/491, helped with some hacks and was supportive in
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his wonderful garrulous way.
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---
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FidoNews 9-44 Page 7 2 Nov 1992
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FidoNet is a trademark of Tom Jennings and Fido Software.
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UNIX is a trademark of the soul-less [sic] behemouth AT&T.
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-30-
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Zone 4 - The Sound of the Whistle
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By Clovis Lacerda - Brazil's Region Coordinator 4:80/0
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Dear ZCs, IC, Fidonews editor, sysops:
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Our History is full of examples of weak countries against powerful
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ones, the force of intelligence against muscles. It seems to be a
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tendency that the Nobel Academy will keep on giving awards to
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oppressed people, like this year's. It is also, at first sight,
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beautiful to see a Fidonet sysop trying to bring democracy to his
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environment, where people could be heard and respected. What I will
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report to the Fidonet community is an example of History upside down,
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an example of someone that says beautiful things to the big audience
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but uses the most abominable tools he is trying to abolish from
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Fidonet. We will see an example of "Do what I say, not what I do", a
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sample of intolerance and megalomania.
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Zone 4, Latin America, has been used as a laboratory for Political
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Science, where experiences are translated into complex sentences in
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uncountable Worldpol drafts. Zones 1 and 3 have been shown to us as
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made of dictators, that took advantage of their majority and
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implemented Policy4. I am not here to say whether Policy4 is right or
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wrong, whether Worldpol is or is not. I only want to report what a
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big Fidonet Region (Brazil) has suffered this year. In 1989 and 1990,
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our ZC, Pablo Kleinman, started to put in practice his intolerance
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against Z1 and Z3. First, he implemented the "democratic system",
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where coordinators in all levels were elected on a "one sysop-one
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vote" basis, facing with disrespect Policy4 rules. Nobody can say
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that, even though the majority of RC's accepted the system, it was
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legal. It is the same as saying that, in a group of 6 people, 5
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decided to kill the other, and, being the majority, they are not
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against the law. In Fidonews 747, 1990, Pablo Kleinman proclaims:
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--start of quote
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General Elections in Zone 4
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FidoNet's Zone 4 "Latin America" has just finished it's first
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"general elections for all coordinators" process, where all the
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coordination positions were democratically elected simultaneusly.
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--end of quote
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This continues in the next years, until 1992. Meanwhile,
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1989-1990, the sysops of Zone 4 found themselves in the middle of a
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heavy discussion between Pablo and Bill Bolton. Even though the
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discussion was held in the private zone council conference, it was
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being brought to us as forwarded messages. The discussion ended in
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the area of racial discrimination, according to Pablo's oppinion. But
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racial discrimination isn't anything Pablo should claim in his favor,
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FidoNews 9-44 Page 8 2 Nov 1992
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since (last May) he pictured me and my fellows as "Inhabitants of the
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Belt of Complex of Inferiority, where poverty makes people ignorant".
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In the Northeast region where I live, thousands of poor children
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starve and most of them die. My reaction was insane, and I offended
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his Brazilian one supporter in his japanese origin. In the next day,
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I publicly apologized. In his attempt to make things different in
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Fidonet in such a hurry, he is trying to change the Fidonet netmail
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routing, today, with his IDS project. Let's read what he has to say
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about this problem:
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* Message originally:
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From: Pablo Kleinman
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To : Bill Oxner
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Date:27-09-92
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Area: "INTERUSER"
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IDS stands for Independent Distribution System. In today's FidoNet,
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the zonegates don't work, netmail routing host-to-host is deceased,
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and all the major echomail distribution systems are conditioned by a
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ton of different rules and politics.
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Cheers, -Pablo
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* Origin: [-Fiesta-Americana-] IDS - HollywoodCalifornia (1:102/631)
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Yes, zonegates, like those in Zone 4, don't work because Pablo took
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all the job for him! Again, I am not here to say whether he is right
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or wrong, but how he does his "marketing", using people and putting
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one against the other. But, let's come back to the laboratory, Zone
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4. A brief review of what's happened here in the last years will
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clear your ideas.
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- 1989 - Pablo Kleinman is the ZC4 since its foundation.
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1990 - Democratic elections - Pablo Kleinman is the ZC4 (again)
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1991 - Democratic elections - since Pablo was moving to the USA,
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finally another candidate could dare to participate. Let's analyze
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the facts, according to Pablo's words in Fidonews 822:
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--start of quote
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The election was done on a one-sysop-one-vote basis, having ALL of
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the sysops in the Zone the right to vote. The most encouraging
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ingredient of the election that has very much impressed me was the
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formidable level of participation: slightly over 80 percent of the
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Zone's sysops exercised with commendable responsibility their RIGHT
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to vote.
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The complete vote-by-vote results were published on the LATIN.SYSOP
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echomail conference. Here are the totals:
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Alejandro Hopkins received 1.59 percent of the votes
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Clovis Lacerda received 39.68 percent of the votes
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Gustavo Zacarias received 58.73 percent of the votes
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FidoNews 9-44 Page 9 2 Nov 1992
|
||
|
||
|
||
--end of quote
|
||
|
||
Few days *BEFORE* this election, we were completely aware that I
|
||
was not going to win, since our region was smaller than Argentina.
|
||
This was also a conclusion from his brazilian supporter, who gave me
|
||
moral support: "The most important thing is to participate". A quick
|
||
Math calculation showed me that the ratio of the vote the most voted
|
||
candidates received was exactly the same compared to the ratio of
|
||
the number of sysops in each region. In other words, SYSOPS IN ONE
|
||
COUNTRY WILL VOTE FOR A SYSOP FROM HIS COUNTRY, thus, making
|
||
ridiculous this "democratic" system, completely anti-democratic,
|
||
considering that countries will be fighting for power in one single
|
||
zone. This anti-democratic system has made similar disasters in
|
||
Fidonet recently. If you look at what happened in the timetable I
|
||
showed above, you will see that *every* year, since 1990, we had
|
||
elections. Nothing more natural than expecting another election for
|
||
Gustavo's substitute. Considering this, we, brazilians, decided to
|
||
start a campaign to increase our region, thus, making us the largest
|
||
in Zone 4, capable of electing the new ZC4. May comes and no election
|
||
is announced. Brazilian sysops ask me what was going on, and I asked
|
||
them to be patient and wait. All of a sudden, all Zone 4 RC's receive
|
||
a netmail from Billi Cohen, Argentina's RC, asking for the removal of
|
||
Gustavo (Pablo's article in Fidonews 934, that goes in the following
|
||
pages, gives the reasons, but doesn't say about the deal made, wisely
|
||
omitted), and, in the same netmail, he suggests Gamey Garcia,
|
||
Mexico's RC, to be temporal in the coordination. I said that I would
|
||
not agree, since the elections should have been called already. He
|
||
then says, in his reply, that Gamey would be a temporal, with the
|
||
obligation of calling the new elections. Elections that were NEVER
|
||
held in Zone 4, since Pablo gave himself the right to interfere in
|
||
the process, even being a zone 1 sysop. Does he have the right to
|
||
interfere, is it a honest attitude? His intereference is well
|
||
documented with the IC Matt Whelan, in the form of many netmails
|
||
requesting Gustavo's removal. Let's see what Pablo has to say about
|
||
this, reading Fidonews 814:
|
||
|
||
--start of quote
|
||
|
||
Folks Who Oppose Democracy In FidoNet Are Nervous But...
|
||
WORLDPOL IS NO NONSENSE
|
||
|
||
Yes, that's what Policy4 proposes: John ZC elects Jim RC, Peter
|
||
RC and Paul RC. And then Jim RC, Peter RC and Paul RC elect John ZC!
|
||
Added to this is the fact that then Jim RC, Peter RC and Paul RC go
|
||
and choose their respective regions' NCs. In between, where are the
|
||
FidoNet sysops? They are right there: forgotten and ignored. But
|
||
according to those that defend Policy4, the poor sysops like to be
|
||
forgotten and ignored! Excusez-moi, but I simply don't buy that.
|
||
|
||
But I know very well that across the Ocean, in Europe, things
|
||
are different. The two biggest regions there: Holland and Germany,
|
||
have non-geographic nets. Should I, from Buenos Aires, tell the guys
|
||
in Antwerpen and Hamburg that what they do is wrong? I rather chose
|
||
to sit and watch. It is their experience and if they do it that way,
|
||
it's maybe because that is the best for them. It does not and will
|
||
not in any way, harm the rest of FidoNet... So why should I complain?
|
||
FidoNews 9-44 Page 10 2 Nov 1992
|
||
|
||
|
||
Why should anyone complain?
|
||
|
||
--end of quote
|
||
|
||
But Pablo's knowledge of democratic principles is too confusing. He
|
||
defended himself saying that the coordinator would be elected, but
|
||
with no limitation in his term! I am still looking for this concept
|
||
in my History books. Questioning him why Zone 4 didn't have a Zone
|
||
Policy yet, he said we didn't need any bureaucracy, like those in
|
||
Policy4 and Zone 1. Let's see what he said two years ago, in Fidonews
|
||
814:
|
||
|
||
--start of quote
|
||
|
||
I will probably support establishing geographic restrictions in
|
||
Zone-4, when we write our Zone policy. I believe it will be better
|
||
that way for us but why in the world should I pretend to indicate
|
||
somebody thousands of miles away what to do?
|
||
|
||
--end of quote
|
||
|
||
The word "when" is being waited since then. This way, I can only say
|
||
that he was neglectful, or probably too busy with politics in Fidonet
|
||
that didn't find time to implement a zone Policy, establishing every
|
||
detail about this extraordinary democratic system, where the results
|
||
are known before the first ballot. About ZC4 Gustavo Zacarias'
|
||
removal, he said, in FIDONEWS 934:
|
||
|
||
--start of quote
|
||
|
||
The RCs then, after procuring majoritarian support from their
|
||
region's sysops, staged what could be considered a coup. Gamey Garcia
|
||
from Mexico, was voted in. A P4 impeachment process was then started,
|
||
but Gustavo voluntarily resigned before it went through.
|
||
|
||
No, I hate it. I find it stupid, repulsive, immature, disgusting.
|
||
But I'm glad that the attempt to Policy4-ize Zone 4 didn't work out.
|
||
It also convinces me once more that until we get rid of it, we'll
|
||
keep on having this kind of problems, like Zone 2 is now proving.
|
||
|
||
--end of quote
|
||
|
||
This kind of problem is simply made by people that love to play
|
||
politics and use others as instruments to reach their goals. Now that
|
||
he finds himself "against the wall", with the eminent election of a
|
||
non-blind follower, he changes the game with his beautiful speech and
|
||
says that the brazilian majority of sysops would create (his words)
|
||
"The Dictatorship of the Majority" !! What does he really think about
|
||
this? Let's read his own words in Fidonews 814:
|
||
|
||
--start of quote
|
||
|
||
FidoNews 9-44 Page 11 2 Nov 1992
|
||
|
||
|
||
Policy4 was written in North America by North Americans, and
|
||
while Europeans did not participate or support it, we Latin Americans
|
||
were denied a say. And Zone-4 did exist even before Policy4 was
|
||
approved.
|
||
|
||
Now: is sustaining democratic values a symptom of adolescence?
|
||
|
||
I don't know what will come up from the vote, but in one way or
|
||
another, they know there is a group on FidoNet that advocates to
|
||
democracy and the rights of every sysop in the network. These rights
|
||
include the possibility of the groups of sysops in different parts of
|
||
the world to organize and operate according to their customs and not
|
||
to which some intend to dictate from some faraway place.
|
||
|
||
This ideal, today expressed by the current policy proposal
|
||
WorldPol, is likely to win. Sooner or later. The sooner, the better
|
||
for FidoNet.
|
||
|
||
Pablo Kleinman
|
||
Democratically Elected Zone-4 Coordinator April 5, 1991
|
||
|
||
--end of quote
|
||
|
||
For years, we have been obliged to participate in his xenophobia
|
||
against North Americans. While the majority was in his favor, we were
|
||
playing democracy and it was a great example for the planet. To make
|
||
his arguments stronger, he accuses me of putting "ghost" systems in
|
||
the nodelist. But, is there anything more "ghostly" than a sysop of
|
||
three different systems, in three different countries, AT THE SAME
|
||
TIME? One in Los Angeles, a PVT in Mexico (is there any computer
|
||
hooked on the line?), and another one in Germany. "Party" in Spanish
|
||
means "Fiesta". What a great party, folks!
|
||
|
||
As one sysop in Argentina wisely said, "Clovis was trying to do
|
||
exactly what we did last year". Former ZC4, Gustavo Zacarias, told
|
||
me, after resigning, that his "capital sentence" was determined in
|
||
advance by Pablo, since Pablo's orders and interference were not
|
||
being accepted anymore. One of the orders was the removal of "Clovis'
|
||
bureaucracy", like a newspaper editor and an Echomail Coordinator.
|
||
Yes, he hates people interfering in someone else's business. "In the
|
||
name of democracy", we, RC's, were asked to remove Gustavo and put
|
||
Gamey as temporal. How cute! Everything was meticulously prepared,
|
||
how stupid I was. I asked myself for some months: Why Mexico? It is
|
||
so obvious! From Los Angeles to Mexico, a short trip by bus could put
|
||
the two close friends together, and keep Z4 administration close to
|
||
home, far away from those "under the Equator". But Pablo's last card
|
||
was put on the table, something I have been waiting for months! Now,
|
||
20,000 systems can read and learn about intolerance and disrespect
|
||
for others' oppinion:
|
||
|
||
Sat 24 Oct 92 15:29
|
||
By: Pablo Kleinman
|
||
To: Clovis Lacerda
|
||
Re: Insults and Apology
|
||
|
||
FidoNews 9-44 Page 12 2 Nov 1992
|
||
|
||
|
||
cc: Alexandre Beltrao, Gamey Garcia
|
||
|
||
Clovis and Alexandre:
|
||
|
||
I've seen the nasty comments both of you have made about my person
|
||
and I expect a public apology. The insults, more specifically refer
|
||
to the VARIOUS comments by Clovis (one of them was "PC Farias a moda
|
||
de California") and Alexandre's epithet in a message titled "Japona
|
||
Traidor".
|
||
|
||
I will wait until October 1st for a reply to this message, or else, I
|
||
will proceed to file a policy complaint against both of you for
|
||
defamation.
|
||
|
||
I want a full apology on the echo where the insults were written,
|
||
with a netmail copy to myself and your zone coordinator.
|
||
|
||
Thank you. -Pablo pablito@fido.lu
|
||
|
||
--end of message
|
||
|
||
I kindly ask you Pablo: Take me out of Fidonet, the same way you did
|
||
with a whole country, Uruguay, where the RC would be the only one
|
||
against Gustavo's removal. Uruguay, folks, has been wandering around
|
||
Internet, calling up my system, trying to come back to Fidonet, and,
|
||
during this time, receiving help from one of the dictators of Zone 1,
|
||
that put him in his fdnet.pvt! Yes, zone 1 coordinators are all
|
||
dictators. Everybody in Fidonet is invited to try to connect the
|
||
following phones, to check things out.
|
||
|
||
Region,85,Red_Banda_Oriental,Uruguay,Juan_Carlos_Alonso,598-2-486 616
|
||
Host,850,Fidonet_Uruguay,Montevideo_U,Juan_Carlos_Alonso,598-2-48
|
||
,1,Soporte_FD/IMAIL,Montevideo,Juan_Carlos_Alonso,598-2-486616,24 00
|
||
,2,Superandres,Montevideo,Andres_Borthagaray,598-2-786266,2400,V32
|
||
,3,Iosys_BBS,Montevideo,Juan_Carlos_Alonso,598-2-486616,2400,XX
|
||
Pvt,4,Chas.Fido,Montevideo,Miguel_Peirano,-Unpublished-,9600,XX,C M
|
||
|
||
There are two options:
|
||
|
||
1 - I am removed from the coordination of my country. Like the
|
||
episode in Los Angeles this year (he learns too fast), when only
|
||
whites judged a black with bad consequences, I know I will be
|
||
removed, even before the trial takes place. We do magic in Zone 4,
|
||
before things happen, we know the results. Who will be in charge of
|
||
the trial? PLEASE, do it!
|
||
|
||
2 - People may back off, "forget", giving us a good reason to laugh.
|
||
|
||
But, in spite of everything I exposed here, what if I say that he
|
||
called me "full of shit... having psychotic problems blurring my
|
||
mind"? How can he dare to do that? How come a person, who removes a
|
||
message from me, in our private sysop's conference (Brazil),
|
||
TRANSLATES it into Spanish (what a wonderful way to bring latin
|
||
people closer), putting it in an international conference, wants to
|
||
file a complaint against me? Is what he did annoying behavior?
|
||
|
||
FidoNews 9-44 Page 13 2 Nov 1992
|
||
|
||
|
||
* Message originally:
|
||
From: Pablo Kleinman
|
||
To : Clovis Lacerda
|
||
Date: 10-10-92
|
||
Area: "LATIN.SYSOP"
|
||
|
||
la gente de FidoNet Brasil recibi", a trav^Bs de su echo de
|
||
operadores, m s bien la siguiente explicaci"n, que traduzco al
|
||
castellano por partes (el texto "quoteado" es el original de Clovis,
|
||
y el siguiente entre corchetes es la traducci"n al espa$ol de lo all!
|
||
escrito):
|
||
|
||
[ED NOTE: I had to strip this to 7 bit ASCII. It's now gibberish.
|
||
Sorry!]
|
||
|
||
---- end of message
|
||
|
||
"The people in Fidonet Brazil received, in your sysops' conference,
|
||
the following explanation that I will translate to Spanish by peaces
|
||
(the quoted text is Clovis' original, and the following text inside
|
||
brackets is the translation in Spanish of what he wrote):"
|
||
|
||
Is Zone 4 Laboratory a big annoying behavior against Fidonet?
|
||
|
||
Is it really me who has psychotic problems blurring my mind? Pablo
|
||
gives us some hints about who may have these kind of problems. Let's
|
||
read, again, Fidonews 934:
|
||
|
||
--Start of quote
|
||
|
||
I'm no politician. But I grew up under the boots of a bunch of
|
||
fascist generals, and terrorized by the vice principal's whistle blow
|
||
when we were too noisy in the cafeteria or when I ate an orange
|
||
without using fork and knife. I was brainwashed with fascist
|
||
propaganda by my teacher in 3rd grade, while the commits were blowing
|
||
up the front of my family's house with a bomb one night. I was
|
||
victimized by anti-semites when I was just too young to understand
|
||
what being a Jew was. I guess that at some point it just became
|
||
sickening.
|
||
|
||
People I know "disappeared" for simply speaking their minds. The
|
||
worst that could happen to me is being "disappeared" from the
|
||
nodelist. I hate this authoritarian bigots and I'm not willing to
|
||
deal with the feeling of being "submitted." I guess it'll be just way
|
||
too hard for me to shut up.
|
||
|
||
--end of quote
|
||
|
||
Please Pablo, I want to be removed. Give us the flag that you always
|
||
said to be with you, so much stated in your quotations I put here (1%
|
||
of the library of messages I have from and about you), the flag of
|
||
Democracy, Respect, People's Determination, Honesty. Sorry, I cannot
|
||
hold this last flag, I am a bad guy, I am cannibal and eat up little
|
||
children. Better adjectives about me you will all have the pleasure
|
||
to read in the "verbal flood" he will flush in Fidonews, as usual.
|
||
Believe in all of them. I must, in advance, say that everything Pablo
|
||
FidoNews 9-44 Page 14 2 Nov 1992
|
||
|
||
|
||
will say about me is true. He is an incompetent politician, even
|
||
though I must recognize in him a great intelligence.
|
||
|
||
Your vice principal's whistle is echoing everywhere. You claim for
|
||
your rights when the whistle is against you, but you have a whistle
|
||
of your own, blowing it in Zone 4 for years. Freud may explain it.
|
||
|
||
As my defense against every terrible detail he is going to say about
|
||
my person and the admistration of my country, let me repeat his own
|
||
words. Let them echo in every little corner of Fidonet!
|
||
|
||
--start of quote
|
||
|
||
Should I, from Buenos Aires, tell the guys in Antwerpen and Hamburg
|
||
that what they do is wrong? I rather chose to sit and watch. It is
|
||
their experience and if they do it that way, it's maybe because that
|
||
is the best for them. It does not and will not in any way, harm the
|
||
rest of FidoNet... So why should I complain? Why should anyone
|
||
complain?
|
||
|
||
--end of quote
|
||
|
||
Sorry folks, my article was too long. I have plenny of material to
|
||
make Fidonews a great success for the next two years. But this is
|
||
enough for me. I just want to be a loser. History will bring things
|
||
side up again, no matter how long Winter will be. I am proud this
|
||
little problem is putting us, brazilians, closer and closer, and
|
||
showing Fidonet what it is made of.
|
||
|
||
"We may hide the truth one day, one week, but not forever".
|
||
|
||
Clovis Lacerda, Brazil - Regional coordinator, about to "disappear
|
||
from the nodelist".
|
||
|
||
----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
by Christopher Baker@1:374/14
|
||
* Forwarded from 1:374/14, Rights On! in Titusville FL
|
||
* Originally to All in the PUBLIC_KEYS echo.
|
||
|
||
|
||
Techonology Review [Edited at M.I.T.]; Nov/Dec 92; Vol. 95, No. 8, pg 22:
|
||
|
||
OF BYTES AND RIGHTS, by Herb Brody
|
||
|
||
Abstract:
|
||
|
||
DO CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS TO FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION AND PRIVACY EXTEND
|
||
INTO THE TERRITORY OF ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS? WE'D BETTER DECIDE
|
||
SOON--BEFORE THE SETTLERS ARRIVE IN HORDES.
|
||
|
||
FidoNews 9-44 Page 15 2 Nov 1992
|
||
|
||
|
||
Computer communications make figurative return to close community of
|
||
yesteryear by embracing the world through the computer keyboard. Dark
|
||
side of metaphor: gain friendliness, lose privacy.
|
||
|
||
Page 24:
|
||
|
||
"Computers and electronic communications, with their seductive power
|
||
to store and manipulate enormous quantities of information, are
|
||
raising threats to privacy that go far beyond the benign meddling of
|
||
small towns. Computers linked to telecommunications networks spread
|
||
information--and misinformation--faster than it can be managed. As
|
||
access increases, so does the potential for loss of privacy. While an
|
||
outcast of a small town can always leave, few can escape the
|
||
evermore-ubiquitous computer network.
|
||
|
||
The emerging network is also raising questions about freedom of
|
||
expression. Who can be held responsible for statements posted on a
|
||
computer bulletin board? What right do government and private
|
||
organizations have to censor 'speech' disseminated over the network,
|
||
and to prevent citizens from encoding their electronic communications?
|
||
|
||
|
||
These questions defy easy answers because computers differ
|
||
fundamentally from any other communications medium. Telephones permit
|
||
one-to-one contact. With broadcast media such as radio, television,
|
||
and print publishing, information flows in one direction, from one
|
||
source to many receivers. With computer networks, millions of
|
||
individuals can communicate with one another more or less
|
||
simultaneously. Everyone becomes, in effect, a potential publisher or
|
||
television station. Nothing in the present legal or regulatory
|
||
framework anticipates such a dispersion of information sources.
|
||
|
||
Today comparatively few people take advantage of the opportunity to
|
||
tap into networks, but use is growing much faster than any consensus
|
||
on rules for governing privacy and free expression. As of 1991, there
|
||
were almost 60 million personal computers in the United States, and a
|
||
PC could be found in 26 percent of households. Many of these computer
|
||
users exchange ideas and trade software on local computer
|
||
bulletin-boards, thousands of which are linked in a national system
|
||
called FidoNet."
|
||
|
||
[article reports the Electronic Frontier Foundation [EFF] and the
|
||
American Civil Liberties Union [ACLU] and Computer Professionals for
|
||
Social Responsibility [CPSR] are working to ensure privacy and freedom
|
||
of expression do not get lost in the shuffle.]
|
||
|
||
[Prodigy censorship of messages noted. Alan Westin, professor of
|
||
public law and government at Columbia University, suggests a 'rating
|
||
system' similar to the one used for motion pictures.]
|
||
|
||
Page 25:
|
||
FidoNews 9-44 Page 16 2 Nov 1992
|
||
|
||
|
||
"However, a recent federal court ruling in New York suggests that this
|
||
strategy may be counterproductive. CompuServe Information Service was
|
||
sued for libel because of information disseminated in an on-line
|
||
newsletter. The judge ruled that CompuServe could not be held
|
||
responsible because it was not like a newspaper, resembling instead a
|
||
bookstore or library. A newspaper publisher is responsible for
|
||
libelous statements, but a bookstore owner is not, because it is
|
||
unreasonable to expect the owner to review the contents of all books
|
||
sold.
|
||
|
||
This decision means that operators of bulletin board systems
|
||
('sysops,' as they're known) can shield themselves from liability by
|
||
practicing laissez-faire--letting anything and everything go on-line.
|
||
Any service that adopts a more restrictive approach by, say,
|
||
prohibiting obscenity or racial insults, begins to resemble a
|
||
newspaper and can thus be held accountable. Prodigy vice president
|
||
and general counsel George Perry suggests that bulletin boards issue a
|
||
disclaimer each time a user logs on--a statement saying, in effect,
|
||
that they can read posted messages at their own risk."
|
||
|
||
[article continues to address the issues of 'reasonable privacy', the
|
||
FBI proposal to build in monitoring capability to digital networks,
|
||
Harvard law scholar Laurence Tribe suggests a Twenty-Seventh Amendment
|
||
to the Constitution to ensure that protections of free speech and
|
||
against unreasonable searches apply regardless of the technological
|
||
medium used to transmit, store, or alter information.]
|
||
|
||
Page 27:
|
||
|
||
"Right now, anyone in the United States can legally encrypt an
|
||
electronic message. This is a relatively tolerant policy; France by
|
||
contrast, permits encryption only for government-related
|
||
communications. Several U.S. software companies license the the most
|
||
advanced and commonly used encryption algorithm, patented by RSA Data
|
||
Security of Redwood City, Calif.
|
||
|
||
Still few commercial products have built-in encryption capability. The
|
||
reason is that the United States forbids export of any product
|
||
containing the RSA algorithm, and software companies are reluctant to
|
||
develop programs they cannot sell abroad. (Ironically, the U.S.
|
||
government does not restrict cryptography imports. Thus a U.S. company
|
||
wishing to sell cryptography products in the United States would do
|
||
best to move operations overseas.)"
|
||
|
||
Page 29:
|
||
|
||
"Meanwhile, there is reason for optimism in the United States; civil
|
||
libertarians are joining with technologists as the network grows from
|
||
infancy. And computers users are, in fact, a particularly powerful
|
||
elite, assuming that the country's economic future belongs to
|
||
information-saavy people.
|
||
|
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FidoNews 9-44 Page 17 2 Nov 1992
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Still, policymakers should not be distracted by a misguided focus on
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the elites: a universally accessible computer network that citizens
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may contribute to freely, without fear of surveillance or censorship,
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will be good for everyone. Utimately, computer users are hoping to
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create far-flung communities that combine the friendliness of a
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pastoral village with the sophistication, tolerance, and opportunity
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for growth and new experience offered by life in a modern city."
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-30-
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food for thought.
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if, as the article states, it is legal in the United States for
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'anyone' to 'legally encrypt an electronic message', how does FidoNet
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forbid such a thing if they are so worried about legal operation?
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[grin]
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hmmm?
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TTFN.
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Chris
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p.s. this message is available as a file called TECHREVW.ART.
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* Origin: Rights On! - Privacy #1 Right! - Titusville_FL_USA (1:374/14)
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by Wesley R. Elsberry
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1:347/303, Central Neural System BBS, 509-627-6267
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"Industrial melanism" can be just a bit of jargon until you ask a
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knowledgeable zoologist to fill in the details. Then, you can find out
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why _Biston betularia_ provides an excellent example of what biologists
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today call "evolution". Along the way, the ecology of visually
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oriented predators and color-camouflaged prey items gets explained.
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Changes in environment become linked to changes in allele frequencies,
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and the whole process starts making sense. For those with a
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mathematical bent, the Hardy-Castle-Weinberg equations for population
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genetics may provide some fascinating calculator math in pursuit of
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biological relevance.
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Or if you are interested by fossils, discussions of taxonomy concerning
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our favorite critters from the Burgess Shale will definitely prove
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thought provoking. Is _Hallucigenia_ really an onychophoran? No, says
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Marty Leipzig, despite Stephen Gould's apparent capitulation on the
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matter. And just how large was _Anomalocaris_, the extra-large model
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predator of Burgess Shale fauna? Is _Wiwaxia_ really just another
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trilobite? (Trilobites, BTW, have nothing to do with computer memory.)
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FidoNews 9-44 Page 18 2 Nov 1992
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Does the speed of light decay, as SciCre-ists Norman and Setterfield
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have averred? Various folk knowledgeable about the fields of physics
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and statistics not only say no, but explain why not.
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Or did Forrest M. Mims III get a fair deal or a raw deal when turned
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down for a columnist slot at Scientific American?
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How can you help preserve science instruction in secondary schools when
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biology classes are threatened by SciCre-ist dogmatists or animal
|
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rights activists?
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Do simulations of natural selection "jam" computers, as asserted by
|
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three-time doctorate SciCre-ist A.E. Wilder Smith? Learn why "genetic
|
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algorithms" are a hot topic in optimization problem solving, and why
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Wilder Smith was wrong.
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On all these topics and more, the Evolution Echo helps put you in touch
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with folks who either have a handle on answers or who are willing to
|
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help you locate the answers.
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|
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Already, the phylogeny of therapsid reptiles, bases of molecular
|
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biology, definitions of abiogenesis, the extent of dendrochronological
|
||
timelines, and various other nifty topics have been discussed in the
|
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Evolution Echo.
|
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|
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If you enjoy science and either have a clue or wish to obtain a clue
|
||
concerning biology, the Evolution Echo is a place that you should
|
||
frequent.
|
||
|
||
The Evolution Echo is a science echo, which means that flame-fests and
|
||
invalid argumentation are discouraged, while the posting of references
|
||
and proper arguments are encouraged. Science also says nothing (and
|
||
can say nothing) concerning the validity of theological issues, so
|
||
either supporting or denigrating religions is off-topic in the
|
||
Evolution Echo. Those who must make comments concerning religion when
|
||
discussions of biology come up are encouraged to continue frequenting
|
||
the OPEN_BIBLE or A_THEIST echoes according to their viewpoint. Those
|
||
of you who believe that the tag for this echo should be
|
||
SATAN_INSPIRED_CONSPIRACY (Ken Ham, are you listening?) are welcome to
|
||
join in, but do remember that the level of respect you give is likely
|
||
to be the level of respect you get. The echo rules are available for
|
||
F'Req from 1:347/303 as EVORULES.LZH.
|
||
|
||
The goal is to make the Evolution Echo accurate, useful, and fun. The
|
||
topics can be both technical and important, but a little levity goes a
|
||
long way toward keeping things pleasant.
|
||
|
||
The Evolution Echo is now available on the Zone 1 backbone. Areafix
|
||
your link today!
|
||
|
||
|
||
FidoNews 9-44 Page 19 2 Nov 1992
|
||
|
||
|
||
Wesley R. Elsberry, Evolution Echo Moderator
|
||
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|
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|
||
Brigadoon Village Network
|
||
|
||
Life in the Tavern
|
||
----------------------------------
|
||
People get up and walk away, But more take their places.
|
||
The drinks keep flowing from the taps,
|
||
At least, until the Tavern closes.
|
||
|
||
Men and women from all the land,
|
||
Take up drinks here together.
|
||
Tis a place of socialization,
|
||
At least until the Tavern closes.
|
||
|
||
Lord Frendal Fundari
|
||
The Psycotic Poet.
|
||
|
||
O /
|
||
----X--------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
O \
|
||
|
||
for information or to join Brigadoon contact:
|
||
|
||
James Pallack (aka J'mes)
|
||
|
||
1:325/101.0 FidoNet
|
||
10:802/101.0 Brigadoon
|
||
pallack@wsyd.com InterNet
|
||
|
||
For information package, FREQ the magic name: BRIGADOON
|
||
|
||
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|
||
|
||
|
||
James J. Ortega
|
||
FidoNet : 1:278/605
|
||
|
||
The purpose of this network is to assist in finding missing
|
||
people via file circulation (Hatching). Furthermore, we also
|
||
offer general EchoMail and file distribution bases. At this
|
||
stage of our evolution we are searching for dedicated SysOps to
|
||
enroll and facilitate in developing this network. If any SysOps
|
||
are interested, the following files are FREQ at Addresses
|
||
1:278/605, 23:1/0, 85:860/403, 120:120/3, 170:170/0.
|
||
|
||
Most recently updated files since 10/20/92
|
||
|
||
FidoNews 9-44 Page 20 2 Nov 1992
|
||
|
||
|
||
Name Magic
|
||
============================
|
||
DebNetxx.doc DebNet
|
||
Missing.lst Missing list
|
||
|
||
The first file is the Main Network documentation and the
|
||
application is included. XX is the version #. The second file
|
||
is a listing of all the missing persons files that are
|
||
accessible.
|
||
|
||
If you're a user you can also use our network via file
|
||
distribution. If you have a missing person (Family, friend, etc)
|
||
just send a color photo, a precise description of the person,
|
||
and possible reasons why they could be missing. Once I acquire
|
||
this information, I'll scan and compress the file for you, and
|
||
later distribute it to every member on the net. In turn, almost
|
||
every member is running a bulletin board, and the files are
|
||
available for users to download freely. At this time there
|
||
is no fee for our network. No cost recovery system exists at
|
||
this time, but in the future it may because necessary, if the
|
||
network gets to be as large as FidoNet.
|
||
|
||
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|
||
|
||
FidoNews 9-44 Page 21 2 Nov 1992
|
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|
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|
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|
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|
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|
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|
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|
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|
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|
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|
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|
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|
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|
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|
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|
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FidoNews 9-44 Page 22 2 Nov 1992
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|
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SUBMISSIONS: You are encouraged to submit articles for publication in
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FidoNews. Article submission requirements are contained in the file
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|
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|
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|
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|
||
Asked what he thought of Western civilization,
|
||
M.K. Gandhi said, "I think it would be an excellent idea".
|
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|
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