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F I D O N E W S -- | Vol. 9 No. 42 (19 October 1992)
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The newsletter of the |
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FidoNet BBS community | Published by:
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/ \ | "FidoNews" BBS
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/|oo \ | (415)-863-2739
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(_| /_) | FidoNet 1:1/1
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_`@/_ \ _ | Internet:
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| | \ \\ | fidonews@fidonews.fidonet.org
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| (*) | \ )) |
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|__U__| / \// | Editors:
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_//|| _\ / | Tom Jennings
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(_/(_|(____/ | Tim Pozar
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| Newspapers should have no friends.
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| -- JOSEPH PULITZER
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Published weekly by and for the Members of the FidoNet international
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amateur network. Copyright 1992, Fido Software. All rights reserved.
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Duplication and/or distribution permitted for noncommercial purposes
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only. For use in other circumstances, please contact FidoNews.
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Table of Contents
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1. EDITORIAL ..................................................... 1
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Editorial: Huh?! .............................................. 1
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2. ARTICLES ...................................................... 2
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Why We Don't Need New Laws .................................... 2
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Region 18 More Fun Than A Barrel Of Rattlesnakes ............. 3
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All Good Things ............................................... 4
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Misconceptions Of Responsibility .............................. 6
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Commodore C=128 Echo Backboned ................................ 7
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Cohousing Echo ................................................ 8
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The Brigadoon Village Network ................................. 8
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EPUBNET - Electronic Publishing Network ....................... 10
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New NATURIST echo ............................................. 11
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3. FIDONEWS INFORMATION .......................................... 13
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FidoNews 9-42 Page 1 19 Oct 1992
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EDITORIAL
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Editorial: Huh?!
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by Tom Jennings (1:1/1)
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Another not so quiet week here at the FidoNews ranch. Privacy,
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encryption, BBS law, carrier vs. publiser status for BBSs and
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in-transit mail...
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I'm on two private Internet mailing lists, BBSLAW and CYPHERPUNKS. As
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well as a participant in the PUBLIC_KEYS echo. I can tell you, things
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are heating up, and we might actually get some definition or at least
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a seat-of-the-pants feel for where we stand regarding just how liable
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a sysop is for the traffic on their system.
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POLICY4 again leads the pack in naivete and silliness, outright
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banning "encryption" because it prevents sysops from censoring mail.
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Which practice is questionable anyways under US law.
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But anyways. I won't dwell on the subject until there's something
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solid to report. I will give you this to consider: there is very good
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reason to believe a sysop has only limited liability for messages in
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their system. And this liability may vary, depending on the type of
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message. For echomail, you've probably got fairly limited liability;
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you don't have control over them, and the traffic is too great to
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monitor. For in-transit mail, such as net hosts, it's probably near
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zero; this is carrier activity, and carriers are generally not liable
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for their content.
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None of this is "fact", it is my sense of what's going on. Most of
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the law in our area simply isn't defined. We are breaking new ground,
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and it's not always for the fainthearted.
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I would suggest also to net hosts, to consider if they really want to
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do the job, if they will not allow, nay, encourage, the free flow of
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traffic through their systems.
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FidoNews 9-42 Page 2 19 Oct 1992
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ARTICLES
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Why We Don't Need New Laws
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by: Jack D. Feka 1:153/615
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Chilliwack, B.C., Canada
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Janis Kracht's article in FidoNews 940 raises some interesting and
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vital issues not only concerning BBS's but about laws in general and
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our attitudes towards them.
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Ms. Kracht states that we should have better laws available to
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protect her and others from potential abusers of BBS's.
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We must realize, in the first place, that laws do not "protect"
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anybody from anything. What the laws do is establish the penalties
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that may be applied to people who are judged guilty of breaking them,
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and also procedures which must be followed in order to have a person
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judged and penalties applied.
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The only way any law is going to protect anyone is by judging
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someone else guilty even before they have acted and incapacitating
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them. Even now, Ms. Kracht is not immune from future assualts from
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the Johnson brothers, especially if they decide that they don't care
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about the consequences.
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Ms. Kracht might argue that if the penalties were stronger the
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deterrant would be more effective, and in many cases it would be
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provided that the potential abuser knew in advance about the
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penalties. In our increasingly complex world we have to be more and
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more prepared to accept that people are not going to be aware of all
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the laws which might affect them. Recently reported statistics stated
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that in the US, governments on all levels are enacting literally
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thousands of new laws EVERY DAY!
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Another aspect of having more and stronger laws is the enforcement
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of those laws. No law is effective if nobody is available or willing
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to enforce it. This implies that enforcement agencies must have the
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trained staff and the resources available to respond to complaints,
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investigate them and to undertake all the other steps which are
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necessary. To do this requires money and that, under our present
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system, would probably come from taxes.
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What Ms. Kracht seeks, in essence, is that somebody else pay for
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her privilege of operating a "very open" BBS.
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While I agree that it is laudable that she is willing to operate
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such an open system as she describes, I also believe she is being
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unrealistic if she returns to such a policy without taking any steps
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to protect herself unless she is prepared to accept the risk of a
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future assalt.
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FidoNews 9-42 Page 3 19 Oct 1992
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I think Ms. Kracht's article was a great first step in the process
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of developing self-defense against potential abusers of a BBS: it
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made us aware of a potential problem for all who want to enter that
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activity. Now, rather than seek to change our laws, lets see what can
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be done using education, cooperation, technology and other resources
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within our reach to arm ourselves against such assaults.
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Especially with all the demands already erroding the public purse,
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I do not agree that we need new laws and enforcement capabilities for
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BBS's and other new technologies. Before we seek protection and
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remedies through the law we ought to do everything within our own
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power to protect ourselves. In doing so I believe we will not only
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strengthen ourselves but enhance our society and quality of life as
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well.
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By David Rye 3649/0
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Region 18's Most Interesting Approach To Elections
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Region 18 is having a Regional Coordinator election. Sounds
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like a fairly simple proposition. And rain makes applesauce.
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When the current RC announced the election there was quite a
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feeling of shock to a lot of the sysops. There had been no talk
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before by the current RC about, "Hmmmmmm. Think I will hold an
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election next week, OK?" In fact, some people in the region felt
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that the election time for the RC position was long overdue. I
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myself was pleasantly surprised. My job as Net Coordinator is
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elected, so why shouldn't then RC's be? Even more shocking to the
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people banging around in the HOST18 (Regional NC & NEC) echo was that
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Ben (the current NC) was not going to run for the position. In all
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fairness, I can't say I envy him the job. There are always some
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people that you will make mad. It doesn't matter what you do, some
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are simply happier when they are making noise.
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The announcement in the HOST18 echo stated Mr. Mann's intent to
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hold an election, and laid down some basic guidelines for the rules.
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He also appointed another gentleman to be in charge of running the
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election. Due to some difficulties in timing, all the firm dates for
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the election had to be shifted back. Mostly this was a result of the
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slow propagation time of the HOST18 echo. Mr. Mann's rules included
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the following:
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1) The region's NCs would be voting for their choice of candidate.
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2) The only people eligible for the position would be current NCs.
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Very soon, the information concerning the election had made it
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into Region 18's general sysop echo. It caused a storm of messages.
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The topics of these messages ranged from simple "good-bye & thanks"
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type messages to some quite rude comments about the eligibility
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requirements. The messages that were upset about the requirements
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soon began to take on the aspects of an epic battle. Two sides
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formed, and the bickering became quite intense. On one hand was the
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side saying that someone with experience was needed to handle the RC
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FidoNews 9-42 Page 4 19 Oct 1992
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spot because of the importance in handling the nodelist segments,
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etc. The other side rallied under a cry of an elitist conspiracy to
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keep "grunt sysops" from reaching the position. They also argued
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that experience in another net should count as experience in FidoNet.
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As of this writing, the battle has cooled somewhat, but there is
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still the occasional sniping taking place.
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Meanwhile, in the HOST18 echo, an amendment was made to the
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original rules to allow both past and current *Cs to run for the
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position. Since Region 18 has no formal policy, and no election
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guidelines, this was simply a request from Mr. Mann to allow this
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change.
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Soon thereafter, people in HOST18 began to nominate candidates
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for the RC position. At first there was a slight question as to
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whether a nomination must be seconded or not, but it was accepted as
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requiring a second.
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The candidates for the election were given access to the HOST18
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echo so as to let them post their platforms. Some people were
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opposed to the idea of allowing the candidates access. Others felt
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that some had begun to get their echo feeds before it had been
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decided to let them in. There was a small back and forth message
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session between some of the HOST18 participants concerning these
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ideas. It was certainly more interesting that the weekly nodelist
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segment acknowledgements, however intense it became.
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There is more coming. I don't know exactly what else, but as
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always, it's bound to be worth the price of admission. ** grin **
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The opinions expressed in this article are solely those of the
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author. If you are offended by them, go soak your head or drop me
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a note at 3649/10.
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Butch Walker
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1:157/2
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All Good Things Must Come to an End.
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When George Peace appointed me to the ZEC position I had
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hoped to finally accomplish some objectives that had been left
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undone at the end of my first term back in 1989. Fidonet is in
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desperate need of a general Echomail Policy whether a stand alone
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policy or an inclusion into a rewritten Policy4. The Echomail
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Coordinator positions need to be properly defined as well. The
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'backbone' in Zone 1 needs to become independant of the *ECs and
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have a well defined distribution agreement similar to the other
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independant echomail distribution systems such as Groupmail,
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K12_Net, etc.
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FidoNews 9-42 Page 5 19 Oct 1992
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Over the last several months it has become obvious that I
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am spitting in the wind. Many moderators, Sysops and Users seem
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to believe that they are in possession of some God given rights
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to do as they please everyone else be damned. Added to that are
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some problems within my family that require my time and
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attention, plus my course load, a non-profit agency that needs my
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attention and I'm 15 days away from buying an equity position in
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a couple of insurance agencies that will eat 40 - 60 hours a
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week. Frankly life is hectic enough without the abuse that goes
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with a Fidonet position.
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With a heavy heart I am resigning as Zone Echomail
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Coordinator for Fidonet Zone 1 effective Monday October 19, 1992.
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I appologize to Zone 1 for not being able to accomplish some of
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my goals and can only hope that someone in the near future will
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be able to put things on the right track.
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I leave you with some thoughts. Fidonet had grown
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tremendously since I called the first meeting of the backbone in
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Chicago in September of 1986. Unfortunately it hasn't grown up
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or matured, it's just gotten bigger. Anarchy may be fine for an
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organization of 1,200 nodes but it's out of the question for an
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organization of 12,000 let alone an organization of our current
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size.
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An organization the size of Fidonet cannot afford the
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luxury of individuals in administrative positions that do nothing
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but occupy a node number. An organization the size of Fidonet in
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North America cannot continue to watch the echomail explosion
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without 'offical' guidelines that cover it's growth, operation,
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ettiqute and set some non-technical standards.
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Thom Henderson said in the fall of 1986 that Fidonet
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would collapse under the weight of echomail. I said in
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addressing the attendees of Fidocon '88 that echomail was the
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cocaine of Fidonet. I believe both statements are true today.
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Echomail, undirected or unregulated, will be the downfall of
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Fidonet. Not due to the volume or the expense, but at some point
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in time in the not too distant future without Fidonet guidelines
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echomail will cause a court action. Due to the adicting nature
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of echomail and it's tendency to make folks do or say things that
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they wouldn't do in a face to face manner, fewer and fewer will
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be willing to serve and those that do serve will do nothing to
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further the cause of Fidonet in order to avoid the slings and
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arrows of the adicted masses.
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Over the years I have been thrilled by the growth of both
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Fidonet and Echomail. I hope I have played a small role in that
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growth since I joined Fidonet in the fall of '85. I am disturbed
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by the lack of history that has been passed on however. Fidonet
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has lost it's roots and without roots growth will eventually stop
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when the tree topples. Few know of the pains we went through in
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the first year to get echomail off the ground nationally or
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internationally. That's sad, for without a knowledge of the past
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you can't appreciate the present nor plan for the future.
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FidoNews 9-42 Page 6 19 Oct 1992
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I've rambled enough. I leave disappointed, but I hope
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Fidonet is a little better place leaving than when I came.
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Misconceptions Of Responsibility
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By Brian Keahl 1:133/524
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Americans have had so many years of freedom and economic growth
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that we have forgotten what creates it, how it is maintained, and how
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easily it can be destroyed.
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I believe our country is in terrible danger in both economic
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growth and personal freedoms. The problem has less to do with
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Republicans and Democrats and more to do with the fact the citizens of
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the United States of America do not understand how our government
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works. Please, if you read this no further, locate and read the
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constitution of our great country. It is not very long and it is not
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very hard to understand.
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The constitution is divided into four parts. These parts are the
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preamble, articles, signatures, and amendments. The articles of the
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constitution dictate how government works. Since we have election
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campaigns in progress I think it is important to understand what the
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president and congress are empowered to do. You may find that
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candidates are claiming they will do things that they can not do and
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that others are taking credit and being given blame for things they
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can not control.
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Article I (A fancy way to say chapter one) describes congress.
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An interesting portion of article I (Section 7) is that it gives
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congress the right to pass any piece of legislation it wants simply by
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two-thirds of them agreeing that it is the right thing to do. A two-
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thirds vote by the house of representatives and the senate overrides a
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presidential veto. In other words, the president lacks the power to
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stop congress from implementing laws (and taxes) if congress can get
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two-thirds of the members to agree.
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Congress is also given the right (and responsibility), in section
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8, to borrow money and regulate commerce and trade with foreign
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countries. By virtue of this congress controls the flow of economic
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aid and business development capital inside our own country and to
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foreign countries.
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Article II of the constitution gives the president control over
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the army and navy, the ability to grant pardons and reprieves, and to
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make treaties as long as two-thirds of the senate agree. The
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president does not have the right to control domestic spending or
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taxes at all. The only recourse the president has is to veto, which
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can be over-ridden by the congress by a two-thirds agreement.
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FidoNews 9-42 Page 7 19 Oct 1992
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Given the limited power of the president it is surprising to me
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that he is burdened with the blame for unfair taxes, government debt,
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and the domestic troubles our country is perceived to face. Congress
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determines where the money goes and where it comes from, the president
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can only choose to veto or sign.
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It angers me that a congress and senate controlled by democrats
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can not create bills which are clearly good enough for our country and
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get a two-thirds vote to override a presidential veto. If this can
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not be accomplished then I must assume we have an inept congress, the
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bills are not really in the general interest of our country, or the
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combination of both. Congress took great pride in the one override
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that it managed: A cable television bill. With high taxes, government
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debt, crime, and unemployment our elected congressmen marshall their
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incredible power and responsibility to ensure we have some new
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"rights", of questionable value, in watching television. If the bills
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that the president vetoed were as important as many congressional
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members claim, why didn't they override it like they did with the
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cable bill?
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Lets give credit where due and blame where it belongs. Evaluate
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congress and the president based upon the powers and responsibilities
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given when you go to the polls. Read and understand the constitution
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and its definition of powers and then evaluate our leaders and the
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promises of our candidates. The president has the power and
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responsibility to deal with foreign affairs, treaties and ability to
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veto legislation. Congress has the power and responsibility of
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creating a balanced budget, collecting revenue (taxes), and passing
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laws.
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Consider the implications of a president that agrees with the
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choices congress is making. Consider whether we really want a
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congress that has operated in the manner we have seen. Consider
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placing your vote based upon the power and responsibility of the
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office and the ability of the candidate to fulfill those needs. It's
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time for a change all right, but not where many seem to think it is
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needed.
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Commodore C=128 Echo Backboned
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By Jim Speerbrecher
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FidoNet 1:154/92
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On-Line 9 Pm to 9 Am CDT
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Echo Tag: CBM-128
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FidoNews 9-42 Page 8 19 Oct 1992
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I would like to invite you all to pick up the CBM-128 echo.
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CBM-128 is a support echo where C=128 users can share information
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about the C=128 computer, its software, its peripherals, programming
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it, news and reviews, etc..
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The CBM-128 echo is important to C=128 users, because it is one of the
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few avenues of support for the C=128 that is growing at a time when
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industry support is declining.
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The FIDOSTAT.NA released 10-Oct-92 shows that CBM-128 has been accepted
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for FidoNet Zone 1 Backbone distribution. So you can now get CBM-128
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through your regular echo feed.
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Cohousing Echo
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by Wilma Keppel, 1:283/657
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Community Living Project, P.O. Box 2262, Iowa City, IA 52244-2262
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Cohousing is a type of cooperative housing which originated in Denmark
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about 20 years ago and is becoming more and more popular in Europe and
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the United States. Since the concept reached the States in 1988,
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several communities have been built here, more are under
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construction,and more than 90 cohousing development groups have
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formed.
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The COHOUSING echo was started by my development group, the Community
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Living Project, as a way to network with other cohousers, hold
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electronic meetings, and provide a way for interested people to find
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out about cohousing and link up with groups or individuals in their
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area. Groups which are spread out geographically are invited to hold
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meetings on the echo; localized groups can hold meetings there until
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it becomes a problem for others.
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The echo is currently available from 1:283/657 and 1:285/666, and should
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appear in the November Echolist. Please netmail for more information.
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Brigadoon Village Network
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This world's chill and damp and drear. Our plight
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Like Sisyphus to push uphill all day
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And stop to see it roll down and away.
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Each with our little secrets this cold night
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We weary, turn, then see a welcome sight:
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Of warmth and friendship - shelter for each stray -
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FidoNews 9-42 Page 9 19 Oct 1992
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An open door and a safe place to stay.
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(Where Holly serves up drinks for free each night.)
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Come in and meet the crew - there's Max who's Mad,
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There's Rebel, Cherry, Woody, and Nitehawk,
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A Tiger (Black), two wolves called Z and Vlad,
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And many many others come to talk.
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To talk and share and laugh a little while,
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And chance a glance at J'mes to see him smile.
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for information or to join Brigadoon contact:
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James Pallack (aka J'mes)
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1:325/101.0 FidoNet
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10:802/101.0 Brigadoon
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pallack@wsyd.com InterNet
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For information package, FREQ the magic name: BRIGADOON
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ECHO TAG Conference Title
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=================== ====================================
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SysOp's Conference:
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BRIGADOON Brigadoon City Hall (SysOp's only)
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(Real Names)
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The CORE group:
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BW_A_PARLOR Auntie Bellums Parlor
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BW_AUDIOACTIVE Punk Rap Heavy Metal Bouts
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BW_GRAFWALL Great way to meet people
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BW_GREEN_DRAGON Green Dragon Good Time Pub
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BW_PLAY Dragons, Fire Lizards and such.
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BW_GUVMINT Whats wrong w/our government
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BW_INSANITY Insanity, anything goes
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BW_MAYBE Just say Maybe to drugs
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BW_OPENFORUM What ever, open to all
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BW_PAGANS_AN Pagans Against Normalcy
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BW_PARACITY Where the Down boys go!
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BW_VIDEOACTIVE Cult Movies, Bad Films, tapes. etc.
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BW_BOOKSACTIVE SciFi Books, Cult ,etc..
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BW_DRUGINIT Talk Of the use of Drugs
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Little Secret's World (>= 18)
|
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|
||
SECRETS_BED Down and dirty with Little Secrets
|
||
PLAYROOM everybody needs a toy
|
||
KITCHEN_FUN Fun with food & Oral delights
|
||
FidoNews 9-42 Page 10 19 Oct 1992
|
||
|
||
|
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ROMAN_BATH More fun than soap on a rope!
|
||
DR_PIXIE Sexual advice, better than Dr. Ruth!
|
||
PLEASURE Lonely hearts club
|
||
BASEMENT For you kinky people
|
||
DIAL_TONE general chat area *NEW*
|
||
|
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Pyewackett & Gene's place
|
||
|
||
WACKO As the name implies
|
||
|
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Some InterNet conferences that I think belong
|
||
|
||
alt.fan.pern Anne McCaffrey's PERN conference.
|
||
alt.pub.dragons-inn The Dragon's INN
|
||
alt.vampyres Vampires Conference (e.g. Anne Rice)
|
||
|
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|
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|
||
|
||
EPubNet - The Electronic Publishing Network
|
||
by Kief Morris 1:3603/210
|
||
|
||
Nowadays we have enormous power and flexibility at our fingertips when
|
||
we write documents using a computer. However, most publishers abandon
|
||
this power by distributing their publications on paper. Electronic
|
||
publishing lets readers tap the power of the computer to read text, by
|
||
offering the ability to scan, leap around within the document at whim,
|
||
etc. This publication is an example of EPub in its simplest form - for
|
||
more sophisticated examples we need only turn to the hypertext help
|
||
systems which come with most high-end programs and GUI's today.
|
||
|
||
The Electronic Publishing Network has been started to support EPub in
|
||
two major ways - by providing echoes for people to communicate ideas and
|
||
information, and by building an electronic distribution system for
|
||
publications and related files. EPubNet uses regular Fido numbers, so
|
||
there's no need for new aka's and the associated hassle - essentially,
|
||
we're simply establishing our own, alternative distribution system for
|
||
our echoes and files.
|
||
|
||
Who is EPubNet for? Anybody who is at all interested in the concept of
|
||
EPub! There are echoes where people new to the idea of EPub can ask
|
||
questions, where you can get help on using hypertext and other authoring
|
||
software, and where you can discuss ideas for better ways to write,
|
||
format, publish and distribute publications.
|
||
|
||
Here are the main (non-administrative) echoes we are distributing:
|
||
|
||
EP-AUTHOR For authors interested in writing for
|
||
electronic publication.
|
||
EP-BOOKSTORE Running a BBS as a location for people
|
||
FidoNews 9-42 Page 11 19 Oct 1992
|
||
|
||
|
||
to download publications.
|
||
EP-GENERAL General EPub Chat/Discussion echo.
|
||
EP-PUBLISH For publishers and self-publishers to discuss
|
||
the business of electronic publishing.
|
||
EP-TOOLS General support echo for electronic authoring
|
||
software, such as hypertext programs. The
|
||
authors of several such programs are already
|
||
participating in the net, with more expected!
|
||
|
||
What's in it for you? If you're a writer interested in EPub, the net
|
||
will give you BBS's where you can discuss ideas with others, and make
|
||
contacts with publishers. We also distribute electronic authoring
|
||
tools, such as shareware hypertext programs.
|
||
|
||
If you are a publisher or self-published author, not only does EPubNet
|
||
let you communicate with others in this fledgling trade, it also
|
||
provides a way to distribute your publications to a number of systems
|
||
with a single upload. We intend to explore other avenues of
|
||
distributing member publications, so you can get wide distribution with
|
||
little effort and no cost (other than the initial upload).
|
||
|
||
Sysops - you can help users interested in EPub connect with others via
|
||
the echoes, plus you can build a sizeable collection of publication
|
||
files.
|
||
|
||
General users will be able to find "Electronic Bookstores," BBS's they
|
||
can call to find a variety of the latest publications.
|
||
|
||
EPubNet is new, but we're committed to building a viable support
|
||
organization for all kinds of people interested in EPub. We've got a lot
|
||
of plans to support this effort, and we not only want members, we also
|
||
want people with ideas to help the net grow and succeed in its goals.
|
||
|
||
Interested? More details are provided in a file called: EPUBINFO.ZIP,
|
||
available from:
|
||
|
||
Kief Morris 1:3603/210 (v42)
|
||
N.L. Hargrove 1:301/301 (v42b)
|
||
1:301/1 (HST)
|
||
|
||
Feel free to netmail either sysop with questions, or post a message in
|
||
the OTHERNETS echo.
|
||
|
||
|
||
----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
|
||
|
||
New NATURIST echo
|
||
Wayne Silsbee
|
||
1:105/222
|
||
|
||
FidoNews 9-42 Page 12 19 Oct 1992
|
||
|
||
|
||
As life becomes more and more stressful, an increasing number of people
|
||
are finding family-oriented nude recreation to be the perfect tonic. And
|
||
whether joining in with an organized club or resort, or going out to a
|
||
secluded spot for some sunning and skinny dipping, the social climate
|
||
has never been more favorable to enjoying nude recreation.
|
||
|
||
There is now an echo for naturism/nudism discussion. In the NATURIST
|
||
echo, discussions may range from recent outings and information
|
||
concerning establishment or closure of public areas designated for nude
|
||
recreation to personal reasons for being involved in nudism.
|
||
|
||
Are you looking for a club or a public clothing optional place in your
|
||
area? Are you someone who finds yourself usually nude when you're home,
|
||
and you would like to find out more about social nudism? Or are you just
|
||
curious about what kind of person would *want* to run around stark
|
||
nekkid :) ? If you answered 'Yes' to any of the above, NATURIST is the
|
||
place to be.
|
||
|
||
The two primary feed points for NATURIST are 1:105/222 (v32b) and
|
||
1:3401/1 (HST/v32b).
|
||
|
||
This is not an adult echo. Nudism isn't about orgies or swinging. Entire
|
||
families enjoy nudism -- we would like to keep the echo family-oriented
|
||
as well.
|
||
|
||
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|
||
|
||
FidoNews 9-42 Page 13 19 Oct 1992
|
||
|
||
|
||
======================================================================
|
||
FIDONEWS INFORMATION
|
||
======================================================================
|
||
|
||
------- FIDONEWS MASTHEAD AND CONTACT INFORMATION ----------------
|
||
|
||
Editors: Tom Jennings, Tim Pozar
|
||
Editors Emeritii: Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell, Vince Perriello
|
||
|
||
"FidoNews" BBS
|
||
FidoNet 1:1/1
|
||
Internet fidonews@fidosw.fidonet.org
|
||
BBS (415)-863-2739 (2400 only until further notice!)
|
||
|
||
(Postal Service mailing address) (have patience)
|
||
FidoNews
|
||
c/o World Power Systems
|
||
Box 77731
|
||
San Francisco
|
||
CA 94107 USA
|
||
|
||
Published weekly by and for the members of the FidoNet international
|
||
amateur electronic mail system. It is a compilation of individual
|
||
articles contributed by their authors or their authorized agents. The
|
||
contribution of articles to this compilation does not diminish the
|
||
rights of the authors. Opinions expressed in these articles are those
|
||
of the authors and not necessarily those of FidoNews.
|
||
|
||
Authors retain copyright on individual works; otherwise FidoNews is
|
||
copyright 1992 Tom Jennings. All rights reserved. Duplication and/or
|
||
distribution permitted for noncommercial purposes only. For use in
|
||
other circumstances, please contact the original authors, or FidoNews
|
||
(we're easy).
|
||
|
||
OBTAINING COPIES: The-most-recent-issue-ONLY of FidoNews in electronic
|
||
form may be obtained from the FidoNews BBS via manual download or
|
||
Wazoo FileRequest, or from various sites in the FidoNet and Internet.
|
||
PRINTED COPIES may be obtained from Fido Software for $10.00US each
|
||
PostPaid First Class within North America, or $13.00US elsewhere,
|
||
mailed Air Mail. (US funds drawn upon a US bank only.)
|
||
|
||
BACK ISSUES: Available from FidoNet nodes 1:102/138, 1:216/21,
|
||
1:125/1212, 1:107/519.1 (and probably others), via filerequest or
|
||
download (consult a recent nodelist for phone numbers).
|
||
|
||
INTERNET USERS: FidoNews is available via FTP from ftp.ieee.org, in
|
||
directory ~ftp/pub/fidonet/fidonews. If you have questions regarding
|
||
FidoNet, please direct them to deitch@gisatl.fidonet.org, not the
|
||
FidoNews BBS. (Be kind and patient; David Deitch is generously
|
||
volunteering to handle FidoNet/Internet questions.)
|
||
|
||
FidoNews 9-42 Page 14 19 Oct 1992
|
||
|
||
|
||
SUBMISSIONS: You are encouraged to submit articles for publication in
|
||
FidoNews. Article submission requirements are contained in the file
|
||
ARTSPEC.DOC, available from the FidoNews BBS, or Wazoo filerequestable
|
||
from 1:1/1 as file "ARTSPEC.DOC".
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
"Fido", "FidoNet" and the dog-with-diskette are U.S. registered
|
||
trademarks of Tom Jennings of Fido Software, Box 77731, San Francisco
|
||
CA 94107, USA and are used with permission.
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
Asked what he thought of Western civilization,
|
||
M.K. Gandhi said, "I think it would be an excellent idea".
|
||
|
||
-- END
|
||
|
||
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|
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|
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