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F I D O N E W S -- | Vol. 9 No. 26 (29 June 1992)
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The newsletter of the |
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FidoNet BBS community | Published by:
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/ \ | "FidoNews" BBS
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/|oo \ | (415)-863-2739
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(_| /_) | FidoNet 1:1/1
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_`@/_ \ _ | Internet:
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| | \ \\ | fidonews@fidonews.fidonet.org
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| (*) | \ )) |
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|__U__| / \// | Editors:
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_//|| _\ / | Tom Jennings
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(_/(_|(____/ | Tim Pozar
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(jm) |
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| Newspapers should have no friends.
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| -- JOSEPH PULITZER
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Published weekly by and for the Members of the FidoNet international
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amateur network. Copyright 1992, Fido Software. All rights reserved.
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Duplication and/or distribution permitted for noncommercial purposes
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only. For use in other circumstances, please contact FidoNews.
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Electronic Price: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . free!
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For more information about FidoNews refer to the end of this file.
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Table of Contents
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1. EDITORIAL ..................................................... 1
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Editorial: Same or less ....................................... 1
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2. ARTICLES ...................................................... 3
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Netmail and Echomail are Different? ........................... 3
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CyberSpace / Virtual Reality Echo ............................. 6
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T.O.T.T. - Turn On To Teens BBS and echo ...................... 6
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3. LATEST VERSIONS ............................................... 11
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Software Versions List ........................................ 11
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4. FIDONEWS INFORMATION .......................................... 12
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FidoNews 9-26 Page 1 29 Jun 1992
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EDITORIAL
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Editorial: Same or less
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by Tom Jennings (1:1/1)
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Still remotely editing here on my battery laptop, the FidoNet
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equivalent of writing by candlelight.
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The "where does the mail go" problem is apprently a sore spot for a
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lot of people (I mentioned a month or so back that all mail to and
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from certain addresses was consistently lost). Another article about
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it in this issue.
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The U.S. government is at it again. Those guys (mainly) are sooo
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funny. This time, the FBI has proposed that digital telephony
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standards be determined, not by some fool bunch of techies (FCC,
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industry, etc) but instead by the Department of Justice, who of course
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are *my* first pick. Yours too? (OK, so I'm getting a bit cynical,
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ignore me.)
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Someone at the EFF (Electronic Frontier Foundation) sent me the
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following (I can't quote in the usual way due to hardware
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limitations):
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Subj: FBI Digital Telephony (bill text)
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1992 14:54:35 -0500
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The following is the latest version of
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the FBI Digital Telephony Proposal,
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introduced in May 1992. This version
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removes the previous language that
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authorized the FCC to set standards and
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now places it solely in the hands of
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the Attorney General. Fines are $10,000/
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day for non compliance with services
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within the public switched network
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having 18 months to comply and services
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outisde having three years. The
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proposal now manadates that the
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capability for
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remote government wiretapping must be
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included into the system.
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This proposal clearly enhances the
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ability of the FBI to monitor
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communications. It takes the
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unprecendented step of placing control over
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certification of telecommunications
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equipment in the hands of the Attorney
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General and requires that the equipment
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be constucted to allow government to have
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the ability to monitor communications from a "government monitoring
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facility
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FidoNews 9-26 Page 2 29 Jun 1992
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remote from the target facility." All
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telecommunications users should be
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concerned by the privacy and security
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implications of creating systems that
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have holes for the government or any
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other knowledgable user to plug into.
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David Banisar
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CPSR Washington Office
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banisar@washofc.cpsr.org
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Craig Neidorf
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Concerned Citizen
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cneidorf@washofc.cpsr.org
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[Complete text of proposal followed here.]
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Here we go again. Sigh. The complete text is available from the
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FidoNews! BBS as filename "FBI", via Wazoo filerequest from 1:1/1 or
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manual download +1-415-863-2739 HST/V.32.
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OK, you're spared. From what? A rather angry rant I just spent an hour
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writing. Actually it was good fun, and probably suitable for another
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medium. If you're interested in the whole text (with the above text
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preceding it) filerequest or download (as above) file "RANT-ED". And
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don't dare you complain to me about it!
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FidoNews 9-26 Page 3 29 Jun 1992
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ARTICLES
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Aaron Goldblatt
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1:130/405.1 FidoNet
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55:400/10.0 WorldNet
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Is echomail really different from netmail? According to our editor, Tom
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Jennings, it is; according to Paul Henry (1:221/279) they're the same,
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and according to POLICY4, they're basically the same.
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Big deal. Mail is mail. If it gets there nobody cares, and when it
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gets dropped in the bit bucket it may take months to get noticed.
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Tom said a while back that netmail and echomail routing schemes are
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different - they serve different purposes and one should not be fed into
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the routing stream of the other. Sysops who do, he implied, take their
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chances. One should simply pass the netmail through the *C system.
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Fine as far as it goes.
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If we go on the assumption, for the moment, that netmail and echomail
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really ARE different and serve different purposes, then the idea of
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different routing streams is valid. Okay, so now we have two routing
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streams.
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Sysops, knowing this, would route their netmail through their NC (or,
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for regional independants, their RC). Great, as far as it goes.
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They've sent their mail where they're supposed to, so it's supposed to
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arrive at its destination, right? Well, almost.
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Let's take a look at a common segment of the ^aPATH line on much of my
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inbound echomail:
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13/13 396/1 5 124/5125 4115 130/41 48 405
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Now let's look at the same type of line gleaned from ^aVIA lines
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inserted by routers in much of my inbound long-distance netmail.
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13/13 396/1 5 124/5125 4115 130/24 405
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They look remarkably similar, don't they? The only real difference is
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that the netmail gets routed from Dean Lachan (124/4115), our local
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costgate, through Dewey Thiessen (130/24, also our NC), to my bossnode,
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while the echomail gets routed through 130/41 (Bob Womble) and 130/48
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(Frank Kubat), local hubs.
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Big deal. They're all reliable systems, and the mail usually makes it.
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But not always. More on that in a moment.
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FidoNews 9-26 Page 4 29 Jun 1992
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So much for inbound mail. Now let's look at outbound mail.
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When I send long distance netmail, I have two choices: Crash or route.
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Generally I'll choose to route it, because I have some modicum of faith
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that my mail will arrive at its destination no later than it would had I
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sent it Snail.
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A few weeks ago I wrote a reply to a FidoNews article about the
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INTERUSER confrence; my reply earned a response from one of the
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moderators, Daan Van Rooijen (I spelled his name wrong last time). I
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wrote a reply, and since I didn't have a mailer up at the time, I
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uploaded it to my bossnode and he sent it for me, through 130/24.
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So far, so good. Then, last week, I received a note from Daan in the
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echo that he'd never gotten the mail. Ooh. Bit bucket strikes again.
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Even Snail isn't that slow.
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This brings us back to our assumption that netmail schemes are different
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from echomail schemes. If it is, indeed, the sysop's responsibility to
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put the mail into the right system, what happens when another sysop up
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the line puts it into the wrong system? How can I be responsible for my
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mail getting eaten when I did the right thing? I have no control over
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how another sysop configures his system - and so why should my mail be a
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victim of the bit bucket by being put into the wrong stream?
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If there truly are two different systems to route mail (and nothing I've
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seen indicates that there really is such), why aren't they properly
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implemented by the people who are part of them? Most of the software
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commonly used is up to the job, so why does the mail disappear?
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The answer may lie in the fallacy that software such as message bouncers
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and Grunged Message Detectors are always bug-free.
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Let's make another assumption, one that isn't too far from reality.
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Let's assume that most local routing systems are fairly reliable and
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mail doesn't get lost, at least at the net level.
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Why, then, does it get lost at the (inter)national level, such as my
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message to Daan?
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Perhaps the sysops of systems that do (inter)national mail transfers,
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such as Z1C George Peace at 1:13/13, should take a look at their systems
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to make sure their automation doesn't occasionally slip up. Software
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such as message bouncers, Grunged Message Detectors, netmail routers,
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etc., can have bugs, and mail can get fried because of these bugs.
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Perhaps instead of software that simply bounces, returns, or deletes bad
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mail, what we need on the (inter)national level is software that
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redirects bad or grunged mail to wait for human intervention. As
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sophisticated as sofware can get, it still can't replace the human
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judgement call.
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FidoNews 9-26 Page 5 29 Jun 1992
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A perfect example is some echomail I sent recently with a bad datestamp.
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It was formatted properly and everything, but my system clock was set
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wrong. At the Zone 1 backbone level, the GMD bounces any mail that has
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a datestamp of more than 30 days in the past or more than 24 hours in
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the future. The sysop gets a nice netmail message back about it.
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Other than the date, though, nothing was wrong with the message. And
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this brings up my two questions . . .
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First, why did it go five or six systems up the chain before getting
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bounced?
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The netmail I got back was from the GMD at an echomail hub about five
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systems up from my boss. Presumably, PASCAL, INTERUSER, and POLITICS
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are fed to other systems by the intervening four nodes, so why did I
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have to resend the mail after it got that far up to make sure it went
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okay, because, after all, by resending it, I duped the mail to every
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system below the node with the GMD. Waste of my time, waste of
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everybody's money.
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Maybe what should have happened was my mail should have been put in a
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special place for the sysop to look at, like a special message editor or
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something. With special commands. Like ALT-P for "Pass the message
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through" to send an okay message with a bad datestamp on through, 'cause
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it's not going to hurt anybody, or ALT-R for "Return to sender" with a
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netmail message (a predefined text dumpfile) explaining why the mail was
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being returned, or for really garbaged messages, ALT-K for "Kill it
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NOW."
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I'm not saying that I'm sure the GMD, mail routers, or mail bouncers, do
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have bugs that cause them to kill mail, but it's a possibility. We've
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all had problems with computers where the only possible explanation was
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that you weren't sticking your left thumb in your right ear while typing
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with your big toes. But the software deserves a closer look; SOMETHING
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is killing the mail, and I doubt it's an Act of God.
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YEAH!! I'm a SysOp!!
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by Chris Cancilla, 1:366/8
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Hi Everyone. I have been in FidoNet for about a year or so now and
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I wanted to tell everyone something. Did you know that the people in
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FidoNet are friendly...that's right. I am in about 6 other net works
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around the country and on most of them the people are OK, but they
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will still talk about you behind your back. The SysOp's that I have
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had the good fortune to talk to, either by NetMail, BBS, or voice,
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have proved to me that this net's SysOp's are the most helpful people
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around.
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FidoNews 9-26 Page 6 29 Jun 1992
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I have been in Net 366 now for, as I said, about a year. I am
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getting out of the Air Force on September 1, a few days away, and I
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need to look for a job, place for my family and I to live, and so
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forth. Well, I sent a message to the "0" up in Huntsville, Alabama
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(net 373) and asked a few questions. I got back a slew of information
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and a few job leads from that alone.
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I may be also going into the area of Cape Kenedy, so after I write
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this, I am going to do the same thing to there. This further
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reinforces the fact the Fido people are helpful.
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In general, I think that from my experiences on Nets, if the SysOp
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and the system have integrity; everyone wins!!
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Thank you for you time.....
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Chris Cancilla, 1:366/8,
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Private, Mail-Only, System...
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by Zak Smith, Sysop Sirius Cybernetics BBS, 1:154/736
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CyberSpace / Virtual Reality Echo
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A little less than 2 months ago, another sysop in my local area
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and myself decided (with the help of a loyal user) to start up a
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message area dedicated to discussions of CyberSpace and Virtual
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Reality.
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Since its creation on 5-5-92, there have been over 85 interesting
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messages, ranging from the "Gibsonesque" views of CyberSpace to the
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use of Virtual Reality for training "those guys on aircraft carriers
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who direct planes."
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If you would like to pick up this echo, tagged CYBER, send me
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a netmail message. Polling me once a week or more often would be
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fine. I have a USR DS here, so speed should not be a problem, and,
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finally, I send out mail in ZIP format, if you require something
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else, I can probably coax Squish into doing it.
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- Zak
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by Jeff McClinton
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Turn On To Teens, An Echo and BBS With Heart.
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With all the new BBSs entering FidoNet, it is often hard for users and
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SysOps to keep up. So many appear and then disappear in a few months
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time that most of us don't even try.
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However, in the multitude of BBSs appearing as of late, there are a
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few which strive to make a difference. These serious boards carry
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echos with themes of social injustice and other important contemporary
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issues. They break the rules of BBSing as a hobby and make it into a
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medium for helping those who need help, fighting for the rights we
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feel are necessary to fight for, and spreading the information that
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FidoNews 9-26 Page 7 29 Jun 1992
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needs to be spread.
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One of these boards is T.O.T.T. BBS, located in Fresno, California.
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It began as a 300 bps system on a Commodore 64 with a single floppy
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drive, and has grown to a more complete computer system including
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everything necessary to host its own Backbone echo, of the same name.
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It operates with a volunteer, unpaid staff and no government or
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institutional funding.
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--What is T.O.T.T.?
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T.O.T.T. is an all-volunteer, non-profit organization which uses
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telecommunications to help troubled teenagers. The heart of the
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program is the T.O.T.T. BBS, which is run by several SysOps and
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specially cleared volunteers. T.O.T.T.'s leader and director is
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Faye Johnson, known as Ms. Faye on the board and echo.
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In addition to the BBS, T.O.T.T. publishes a monthly newsletter, hosts
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the TOTT echo, owns a 24 hour voice line, maintains a large library of
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books for teens, parents and volunteers, and runs an adult volunteer
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program. Several non-backbone echoes also originate on the T.O.T.T. BBS,
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including FOSTER and FOS_CARE, which cover important topics. It also
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has several public access sections which offer information regarding
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upcoming classes, workshops, activities, resources, community agencies
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and their services, pending laws and bills which affect youth, etc.
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T.O.T.T.'s goals are, as stated in their newsletter, "to encourage
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teens to feel good about themselves, to accept responsibility for
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their actions, to reach out to others, and to improve their own
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communication and social skills at the same time.
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--What Makes T.O.T.T. so special?
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Several things go together to make T.O.T.T. into what it is. First of
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all, the fact that T.O.T.T. is unique in that it is the first BBS used
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in a custody setting.
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T.O.T.T. has organized teams of adult volunteers which visit the
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Fresno County Juvenile Hall three nights a week to work directly with
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youths who have applied for the program and been accepted. The teens
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must have maintained acceptable behavior in their units, have been
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approved by a counselor, and have agreed to give up some free time to
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participate.
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During T.O.T.T. sessions, volunteers help the youths learn computer
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skills, work on articles for the T.O.T.T. Newsletter, and work on
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creative writing or other skills. The participants also learn to use
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the T.O.T.T. BBS and the T.O.T.T. echo to discuss their grievances and
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feelings.
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Because of these participants, the T.O.T.T. BBS and TOTT echo have a
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very important rule: Real names, addresses and phone numbers of anyone
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in the echo may NOT be posted in the echo. * Handles or first names
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ONLY can be used in messages. *
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FidoNews 9-26 Page 8 29 Jun 1992
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The T.O.T.T. echo provides a non-judgemental and anonymous way for
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participants to open up about their concerns and feelings. Being able
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to use an alias allows the participants to say something without the
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fears of normal conversation. Other users are more likely to let them
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know that they are not alone, that their opinions mean something and
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that what they say is important.
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SysOps who carry the TOTT echo are required to request the TOTT_SYSOP
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echo, which is used to help SysOps integrate their systems into the
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program if they wish, and to give information to both new and old
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SysOps using the TOTT echo.
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--Conclusion
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Some participants in the T.O.T.T. program have pasts filled with years
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of drug abuse, dysfunctional families, low self esteem and poor
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schooling. There aren't any programs in the world which can 'solve'
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such problems and make these youths into perfect, happy citizens like
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some miracle diet plan. T.O.T.T. attempts to plant the seeds of
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encouragement and proper growth in its participants so they can have
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some hope for the future.
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It is this personal touch which can help T.O.T.T. go far. The youths
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are thought of as people instead of statistics of a society gone
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wrong. Youths both in the Fresno Juvenile Hall and using BBSs around
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the country need to know that there are people out there who are
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willing to listen and help them out.
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-- Addresses --
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Jeff McClinton
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(SysOp carrying the TOTT and TOTT_SYSOP echos)
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FidoNet: Ghost *SysOp, 1:129/148.0
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CompuServe: 72050,1561
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The T.O.T.T. program
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Faye Johnson, director and moderator of TOTT and TOTT_SYSOP
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US Mail: 3999 N. Chestnut, #272
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Fresno, CA 93726
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Voice Phone: (209) 291-4842 (24 hours)
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BBS Phone: (209) 292-6403 (24 hours, 300-2400 bps)
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FidoNet: 1:205/80.0
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Darcy McConnell, HUB, direct contact for TOTT, TOTT_SYSOP,
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FOSTER, and FOS_CARE echos
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FidoNet: 1:204/40.0
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300-9600bps
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FidoNews 9-26 Page 9 29 Jun 1992
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* INTERFAITH -- Open-minded religious echo
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Jason Steck
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1:104/424@FidoNet
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There are many religious echos available in FidoNet.
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Unfortunately, too many of the available religious echos have come to
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be synonomous with religious prejudice, bigotry, and hatred. Too
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often, all we wind up with is yet another echo full of people
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"screaming" at each other, condemning each other to various version of
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fiery purgatory, and generally doing nothing productive, edifying, or
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educational. Indeed, at least one of the worst echos in this regard
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is frequently advertised in FidoNews as if it offered the pinnacle of
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Christian thought within its realms. (NOT!)
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As a reaction to the stridency and prejudice which is often
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prevelant in the other religious echos, people from several religions
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and sects gathered together to form the INTERFAITH echo.
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INTERFAITH is dedicated to the principle of religious
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open-mindedness and multi-directional religious outreach.
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Individuals of all religious faiths are encouraged to participate in
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the conference by focusing on what they are FOR instead of (as is too
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often the case in other religious conferences) what they are against
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and/or opposed to. Participants are encouraged to ask questions about
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the beliefs of others (and, as is inevitable, the basis for those
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beliefs) and to similarly answer such questions about their own
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beliefs. In this way, INTERFAITH becomes an "outreach" from many
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religions to everyone else -- the floor is equally open to all.
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The only type of material which is NOT allowed is so-called
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"anti" material. "Anti" material is material which focuses on what
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one is against or opposed to or is denegrating and/or abusive towards
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another individual, religious group, or religious viewpoint.
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Recognizing that a single individual could not possibly be
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expected to equitably moderate the interests of a diverse collection
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of religions and sects, INTERFAITH utilizes a unique moderator "panel"
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which incorporates a representative from each major classification of
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religious participants. At present, INTERFAITH has such
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"co-moderators" for four classifications:
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1) Catholic Christian Faiths
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2) Protestant Christian Faiths
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3) Non-traditional Christian Faiths
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4) Pagan and Wiccan Traditions
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In the areas of topic and behavior moderation, all co-moderators have
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equal authority to moderate the conference.
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FidoNews 9-26 Page 10 29 Jun 1992
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INTERFAITH has been in existance for nearly six months and the
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participants to date have largely found it to be an extremely open,
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educational, and no-stress experience. With all the trappings of
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inter-religion and inter-sectarian rivalry removed or regulated,
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participants from many differing faiths have felt uniquely free to
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join INTERFAITH and to discuss openly their own beliefs as well as
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those of others.
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Now, we would like to invite the "FidoNet public at large" to
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come join us in INTERFAITH. The best prerequisite for joining is a
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curiousity about the beliefs of others and/or the desire to share ones
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own beliefs with a diverse audience of people who are open to hearing
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them.
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As INTERFAITH is not available on the FidoNet backbone (and
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does not desire to be so), it is available through what we have come
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to call the "shadow backbone". Several individual systems across the
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country have agreed to carry INTERFAITH and to make it further
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available to others in their area. Such a system has been found to
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work quite well.
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If you desire to access INTERFAITH for you system, send
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netmail to Jason Steck at 1:104/424@FidoNet. If there is an
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INTERFAITH system in your area, you will be directed to that system
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for a link. If not, a long-distance link will be made available. As
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part of our desire to expand the coverage of this unique conference,
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we have even arranged to make a certain number of long-distance
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delivery links (you don't have to poll for it, it is delivered to you)
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for those systems who are willing to make it available to other
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systems in their local area.
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In short, are you sick of hate-filled, persecutorial religious
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echos? Come join us in INTERFAITH!
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FidoNews 9-26 Page 11 29 Jun 1992
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FidoNews 9-26 Page 12 29 Jun 1992
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Asked what he thought of Western civilization,
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M.K. Gandhi said, "I think it would be an excellent idea".
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