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F I D O N E W S -- | Vol. 8 No. 44 (4 November 1991)
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The newsletter of the |
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FidoNet BBS community | Published by:
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/ \ | "FidoNews" BBS
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/|oo \ | (415)-863-2739
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(_| /_) | FidoNet 1:1/1
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_`@/_ \ _ | Internet:
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| | \ \\ | fidonews@fidonews.fidonet.org
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| (*) | \ )) |
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|__U__| / \// | Editors:
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_//|| _\ / | Tom Jennings
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(_/(_|(____/ | Tim Pozar
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(jm) |
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Published weekly by and for the Members of the FidoNet international
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amateur network. Copyright 1991, Fido Software. All rights reserved.
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Duplication and/or distribution permitted for noncommercial purposes
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only. For use in other circumstances, please contact FidoNews.
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Paper price: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $5.00US
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Electronic Price: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . free!
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For more information about FidoNews refer to the end of this file.
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Table of Contents
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1. EDITORIAL ..................................................... 1
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Editorial: Editorial... or message from the stars? ............ 1
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2. FIDONET NEWS .................................................. 5
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(No FidoNetNews this week) .................................... 5
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3. ARTICLES ...................................................... 6
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Fear of Flying ................................................ 6
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Abstract: Electronic net publication INTERTEXT ................ 7
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A way to make the nodelists more or less unnecessary .......... 8
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ODYSSEY: FRINGE SCIENCE NETWORK ............................... 15
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The Need for WOBO! (New Echos for Construction Folk) .......... 16
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4. RANTS AND FLAMES .............................................. 23
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5. CLASSIFIEDS ................................................... 24
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6. NOTICES ....................................................... 25
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The Interrupt Stack ........................................... 25
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7. LATEST VERSIONS ............................................... 26
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Latest Greatest Software Versions ............................. 26
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FidoNews 8-44 Page 1 4 Nov 1991
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EDITORIAL
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Editorial: Editorial... or message from the stars?
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by Tom Jennings (1:1/1)
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Warning: this is rather long. The whole middle part is about history,
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and power. It is editorializing at its worst. Skip to the next group of
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*'s if this displeases you. (You were warned.)
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* * * * *
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Another dull week here in FidoNewsville. I have good news, and I have
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bad news. The good news is, I found a replacement for the aging hard
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disk I've been using here for some time, given to me by Vince Periello
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as a bribe to get me to go to FIDOCON91. It worked, so did the drive,
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and now that the event's over, the drive seems to be headed for history
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too. Admittedly, it was old to start with, and I spun it 24 hrs/day for
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a year, so I can hardly complain. It never failed me, but started
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getting senile in the high sectors. Its replacement is a 3.5" 80 meg
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SCSI drive. It's soooo q-u-i-e-t...
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But anyways I'm avoiding the point, which is I lost an article. I wish I
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could blame it on the disk, but I did it myself, by "MOVE *.ART
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\FIDONEWS", only I moved the directory and it mashed all the files into
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one little pile. Only the last one was saved.
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And another article, of some importance, was never delivered, for some
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unknown technical reason.
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* * * * *
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Personally, I've heard a few references to "anarchy" in FidoNet this
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week alone, and Thom Henderson has something to say about it too (and I
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agree with the gist of his article).
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I do wish people were more into anarchism than anarchy. Look it up.
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Along these lines --
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I bet you didn't know that REGIONS ASSIGNED THEIR OWN IMPORTANCE. Never,
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ever, were nets "part of" or contained within regions. Here's the
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original story, much condensed.
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In 1985 there were only "nodes". Just a flat, point to point scheme. (As
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most #)$(&* mailers treat the net today, but I'm jumping ahead). After
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only a few times of having Fido make a bunch of calls to the same city
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accross the country to deliver one message each, this thing now known as
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"host routing" became quite obvious. At first it was done with a simple
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text substitution in Fido's packet. It later became the full-featured
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router that Fido still contains, and most system simplement in some way.
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FidoNews 8-44 Page 2 4 Nov 1991
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It next became obvious that FidoNet nodes "clumped" together where human
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population was densest; cities, mainly. The NET/NODE addressing scheme
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became a formal definition of the incoming host (the /0) we'd been
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manually entering, and the nodes surrounding it kept their same node
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numbers, but became part of the local net.
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As a short example, nodes 4 10, 22, 16, 17, all in St. Louis Missouri,
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used 16 as "incoming host" which redistributed mail delivered to it for
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nodes 4, 10, 17, 22, etc. The incoming host remained as node 16 (in this
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case) but also the magic value "0". The net was named "100", so they
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became 100/4, 100/16... and the host, 100/0. (There was a cute trick to
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allow transparent backwards compatibility to non-net-aware software that
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worked reasonably well.)
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It was important that the addressing scheme of NET/NODE be consistent
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throughout the net, but many nodes simply weren't near any other nodes,
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certainly none within the telco parameters that made for a "local call"
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(US telco includes calls to a limited area as part of the monthly fee;
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very advantageous for FidoNet!)
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Since the outlying nodes could be hundreds of miles/KMs from the nearest
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net (nearly 1000 miles here in the West!), we formed the idea of the
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REGION.
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Read this next part carefully; you'll need to un-learn the current
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REGION scheme to understand it.
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We picked large, arbitrary chunks of the country (US-only then,
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remember) and named them "regions". Each had a host (/0), who did
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exactly what a net host did; keep a list of nodes in their region. The
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difference was, the region/0 merely kept the list of nodes NOT OTHERWISE
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IN A NET. Period.
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As the net grew, and nodes appeared, they'd be distributed again amongst
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population density boundaries. The number of nodes in a region would
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grow, making more work for the region host, but at some point a "clump"
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of nodes would appear (in a new city, for instance) and that clump would
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split off -- into a new net, thereby lowering the workload of the region
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host. The region hosts actual, constant workload then grew at a rate
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much lower than the network overall.
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There was much more planning and understanding of the social scheme and
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organization than is appreciated. I hadn't realized just how lost the
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original process had gotten until recently when talking to people who've
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been around since 86 or so. It's kinda depressing, actually.
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I created FidoNews in 1984 or 85 to act as a "metanetwork", to give us a
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method to talk about the network itself, and to provide a forum for our
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other, non-technical and non-FidoNet communications needs. (And within a
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few months, I had an article by an ex-military guy complaining about
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retirement issues, for which I got questioned on for appropriateness. (I
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wasn't flamed; that didn't happen then. No it wasn't the "good ole
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days"; it was simply a much, much smaller crowd.)
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FidoNews 8-44 Page 3 4 Nov 1991
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But anyways -- REGIONS were never, ever meant to be anything more than a
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net host. The current power mongering started when the nodelist-fragment
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collection scheme was given to the region hosts, and they grew it from
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there.
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Nets are *not* contained in regions. The model was mathematical, not
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geographical. Sets, not political groupings. I find it all very
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depressing.
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Last and far from least, and no one will believe this I'm sure, it
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sounds so far-fetched in today's locked-down bully/boss-ridden thug net,
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but -- Overthrow was designed in from the start, and discussed
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explicitly by everyone involved, as an integral part of the checks and
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balances. The /0 was NOT supposed to be a position of power, but a
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position of *responsibility*, on a paper throne.
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If the net host was a complete jerk, the net members could create a new
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nodelist fragment themselves, and pass it on. Votes? "Permission" from
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"above"? Screw that shit. Toss 'em out on their ear!
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Every sysop in FidoNet, including and especially myself, is responsible
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for letting this happen. We gave the bullies their power. It is not, and
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never, too late.
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Keep this in mind. You might need it some day. Maybe this is how we got
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here though. It wasn't meant to be a machanism for bullies to get their
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way, but for otherwise-tolerant ordinary sysop folx, who get fed up, to
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work around the 0 and replace them with someone less obnoxious. Anything
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can be abused.
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Most people aren't used to having control of their lives. When given to
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them, they freak out and get stupid, and think they ahve to emulate the
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jerks, since they're the only thing around as a model. Oh well.
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PS: did you know that HOST ROUTING IN FIDONET IS MANDATORY?! Fer #$*#$%
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sakes!!! What in hell do you think the damn #$#$@# net/0 node is for?!
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Prestige? To push people around? Banish people you don't like? The 0th
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node is supposed to accept mail for all nodes within their net, and
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forward that mail onward, without fail, barring hardware failure,
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without comment, editorial or censorship, and it better be a damn good
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excuse. Period. If you don't like it, don't be a /0.
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* * * * *
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Which brings me to my original (for today) thought -- I'm now collecting
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historical fragments from our colorful past. I especially want things
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from pre '86, or even '87. You'd be surprised how little I have.
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I don't even have a copy of the original MAILER document that I
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generated before I coded FidoNet in winter/spring 85. I would dearly
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love to have a copy. Probably only the first dozen nodes ever saw a
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copy.
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FidoNews 8-44 Page 4 4 Nov 1991
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Don't be afraid to send me stuff you think I might already have, as I
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probably don't, and even if I get one later, I will appreciate the
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thought, truly! I'm not sure what I'm going to do with this stuff, but I
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want to get it together before it's all lost. If you have non-electronic
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things, my mailing address is: Tom Jennings, Box 77731, San Francisco CA
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94107. I swear I'll reimburse you for any postage it takes to mail me
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stuff.
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FidoNews 8-44 Page 5 4 Nov 1991
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FIDONET NEWS
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################################################################
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FidoNetNews -- a weekly section devoted to technical and factual
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issues within the FidoNet -- FidoNet Technical Standards Committee
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reports, *C reports, information on FidoNet standards documents
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and the like.
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################################################################
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There were no FidoNetNews submissions this week. Tune again in
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next week!
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FidoNews 8-44 Page 6 4 Nov 1991
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ARTICLES
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Thom Henderson
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Fear of Flying
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What is it that some people find so scary about democracy? For a very
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long time I was a lot more involved than I should have been in giving
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sysops some say in how the net is managed. That particular effort
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failed for a number of reasons that I'd prefer not to go into (at
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least partly because some of them were my fault), but still it irks me
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to hear people disparage the very idea of ever giving the "grunt
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sysop" a say -- everything from offhand references to "smarmy
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meetings" to one notable who characterized the whole effort as "nasty
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nasty nasty awful awful awful".
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I know that politicians have given organized meetings a bad name, but
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the fact of the matter is that Robert's Rules of Order are designed to
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ensure that all viewpoints are aired -- ALL viewpoints!
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When I accepted Chairmanship of the late IFNA, it was with the
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understanding that we would do either one of two things: either we
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would turn it into the elected leadership of fidonet, or we would get
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rid of it. I wanted the former, but I accepted the latter by
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consoling myself with the thought that at least now it would be easier
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for the sysops to erect a new structure without repeating the mistakes
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of the original. That hasn't happened, and shows no sign of
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happening.
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Some people will tell you that it isn't needed, that fidonet as it
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stands is the perfect anarchy with total freedom for its members. A
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few of them may even believe it.
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But most sysops know better, from personal experience. There ARE
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people running things. People are told what software to run and what
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software not to run. People are told which conferences they may or
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may not have and how they must obtain them. Fidonet is a hierarchical
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dictatorship, with the dictators responsible only to those above them;
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never to those they are supposed to serve.
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Yes, I know that traces of democracy exist within fidonet. Nets have
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been known to elect their own NC, and even a region or two has been
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known to elect its RC. But take a close look at how and why. It's
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always been by suffrance of the dictators. Maybe your last NC let you
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elect your current NC, but NOTHING requires your current NC to let you
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elect another. There are network wide policies in place that are
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intended to affect you on a daily basis where less that one percent of
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the people were even consulted about whether or not they were a good
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idea, and nothing gives YOU any say on the matter at all.
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FidoNews 8-44 Page 7 4 Nov 1991
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In an anarchy you can do anything you like, but you haven't got that.
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In a democracy you have a say in how things are run, but you haven't
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got that either.
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What DO you have?
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Abstract: Electronic net publication INTERTEXT
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INTERTEXT is an ASCII version of an all-fiction publication edited by
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Jason Snell at Univ. Cal. at San Diego (address below). I've seen only
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Vol. 1 No. 1, dated Mar/Apr 91. I presume there are others.
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CONTACT INFO:
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Editor: Jason Snell (jsnell@ucsd.edu)
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Assistant Editor: Geoff Duncan (sgd4589@ocvaxa.cc.oberlin.edu)
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Assistant Editor: Phil Nolte (NU020061@vm1.NoDak.edu)
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(I know this is FidoNet and not the internet, but there's interesting
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stuff out there. Maybe some interested parties with access to both nets
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can cross-post it. If so, please drop a note to FidoSnooze care of Tomj
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1:1/1 and I'll announce what FidoNet node it's available on. (No I'm not
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volunteering :-)
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Since I'm lazy, I'll let the editor speak for his own publication:
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FirstText / JASON SNELL
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[...]
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What do I expect from this magazine? All I really
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want to do is bring good stories to the people
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who subscribe. I'll be hunting down stories on any
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subject from all over the network, and hopefully we
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can put out an issue every two months. I'm hoping
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to alternate with the publication schedule of QUANTA,
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so the two magazines will dovetail into a semi-monthly
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production schedule.
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QUANTA, if you didn't know, is a bi-monthly net
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magazine -- and its specialty is Science Fiction.
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InterText, on the other hand, is for all kinds of
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fiction. I don't mind publishing SF here, but since
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Quanta is an established magazine with a specific
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format, I'd expect most of the SF to go there.
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[...]
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FidoNews 8-44 Page 8 4 Nov 1991
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Dan Appelquist's "Anticipation of the Night" is a
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fascinating piece of work... quite strange, yes, but
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very interesting. His other story, "A War in the Sand,"
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was sort of written because of the cover of the PostScript
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version of this issue. (The cover is a drawing of a dove of
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peace sitting atop a tank in the middle of the desert.) I
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sent Dan a template of InterText that jokingly listed a
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story called "War in the Sand." I guess Dan took me up on
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it. Anyway, those stories and the closing pieces by Greg
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Knauss ("The Talisman," a loopy Stephen King parody, and
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"Schrodinger's Monkey," a deep contemplation of quantum
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mechanics and bananas) form what I'd like to think of as
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a pair of strange bookends: two to welcome you to this
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first issue and two to wrap it up.
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In between are Nolte's "Direct Connections," (which we're
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printing under sad circumstances -- Phil gave it to me
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only after AMAZING STORIES rejected it), a story by me,
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and stories by Andrea Payne and Mary Anne Walters. I
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thank everyone for submitting and helping me out with this
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issue.
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If you have access to the internet, back issues (presumably this
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includes current ones) are available from network.ucsd.edu, in directory
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'intertext'. Both ASCII and PostScript versions are available.
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A way to make the nodelists more or less unnecessary.
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=====================================================
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By: Nils Hammar
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2:204/90@fidonet.org
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4341@msg.abc.se
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nils@f109f.mil.se
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INTRODUCTION
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The nodelist of today is usually used by the mailer to know when to
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send crash mail and direct mail to other nodes than the usual host.
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Another use is to determine if the recipient node really exists, and
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warn the user about the possible nonexistence of the addressed node.
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When you send netmail to another node, you would almost always have
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got some information from that node before. This information is
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usually a netmail, an echomail message, but can also be some kind of
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a document (like this one).
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This gave me the idea of implementing a method about how to transmit
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the most necessary nodelist information without using the nodediffs
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used today.
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FidoNews 8-44 Page 9 4 Nov 1991
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As far as I know, the sysop names and the node names isn't used very
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often, and can usually be omitted. Especially the node names changes
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now and then, and is never reliable. The nodename is also very often
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occuring in the origin line. The sysop names are more constant, and
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may as well be distributed the same way as the tecnical information.
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GOAL
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====
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The goal is to find another way to distribute the necessary tecnical
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nodelist information to the nodes that really needs this information.
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The distribution must use the known paths and methods of distribution
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that is used today.
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SHORT DESCRIPTION
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The method is to use a pair of kludges to distribute the necessary
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information. The existence of those kludges will be limited, and they
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will only be distributed at a maximum once per week for each echomail
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area for each node. This will limit the expansion of the echomail
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volume. The kludges may however always exist in netmails, because
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netmails are going other ways, and they are a minor part of the
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distributed information in FidoNet.
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The kludges I am thinking of are one pure tecnical, and one
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that identifies the sysop of the originating node.
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LIMITATIONS
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===========
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The only problem is when sending a direct netmail to an unknown
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node, and it is that neither the phone number nor the technical
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possibilities or limitations are known.
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This problem is possible to get around by either adding this
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information manually to the local nodelist, or send the netmail
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to a known *C closer to that node or send the netmail with the
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usual routing.
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THE TECNICAL KLUDGE
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===================
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This kludge is used to distribute the tecnical information about the
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originating node, such as modem protocols, packing methods, preferred
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packing method and phone number. If the node is a private node, this
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information will be valid for the host of that node instead.
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This kludge will also allow points to distribute their phone numbers
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if they like.
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The kludge will have the following format:
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^AMF: BACD4%23#46-19-120103
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FidoNews 8-44 Page 10 4 Nov 1991
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Where "MF" stands for "My Flags", and the following information is:
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Characters "A" to "Z" is compression method supported by the node:
|
||
|
||
A Compression with ARC (PKPAK 3.61)
|
||
B Compression with ZIP 1.10
|
||
C Compression with LHARC 2.11
|
||
D Compression with ARJ 2.20
|
||
E Compression with Compress (Usually UNIX nodes supporting this)
|
||
F Compression with ZOO 2.10
|
||
G-Z To be defined and used in the future for compression programs.
|
||
|
||
The number of compression flags should be limited to maximum four, and
|
||
with the preferred compresson method as the first flag.
|
||
No compression flag means that the node doesn't support any of the
|
||
specified compression methods.
|
||
|
||
Characters "0" to "9" is commonly used CCITT modem protocols.
|
||
|
||
0 V21 300 bps
|
||
1 V22 1200 bps
|
||
2 V22bis 2400 bps
|
||
3 V32 9600 bps
|
||
4 V32bis 14400 bps
|
||
5-9 Reserved for future use.
|
||
|
||
It should only be necessary to specify one of the transmission
|
||
methods above. This because a modem with a faster method very
|
||
often also supports all of the slower methods.
|
||
To indicate a nonsupported protocol, the number may be preceeded
|
||
by an exclamation mark ("!"), which only will apply to that specified
|
||
protocol. The kludge "^AMF: BACD4!0d#46-19-120103" will tell the
|
||
other nodes that the CCITT V21 protocol isn't supported, but the
|
||
Bell 103 protocol is. This situation isn't too rare, and should be
|
||
considered when setting the flags. It can also be used if calls
|
||
for a speed below a specific limit will be denied.
|
||
|
||
Characters "a" to "z" are used for non CCITT modem protocols, and
|
||
uncommon CCITT protocols.
|
||
|
||
a HST 9600 & 14400 bps
|
||
b PEP 18000 bps
|
||
c V23 75/1200 bps
|
||
d Bell 103 300 bps
|
||
e Bell 212A 1200 bps
|
||
f-z Reserved for future use.
|
||
|
||
A node can have none, some or all of the flags above. However,
|
||
I don't think that there is any node that supports both the PEP
|
||
and the HST protocol at the same line at the same time.
|
||
|
||
FidoNews 8-44 Page 11 4 Nov 1991
|
||
|
||
|
||
The "%" character indicates the time zone difference, and is useful
|
||
when determining ZMH. Valid values are 00 to 23, which is number of
|
||
hours relative to UTC (GMT).
|
||
This time information is always two characters to make it easy
|
||
to parse. If the field is omitted UTC (GMT) is assumed.
|
||
For nodes in western europe, this field will usually have
|
||
the value 23.
|
||
|
||
The "#" character indicates that a phone number is following.
|
||
There will not be any more flags after the phone number.
|
||
There is no maximum length of the phone number field.
|
||
|
||
The flags that indicates error-correction and/or compression in the
|
||
modem is left out because they are not really useful information.
|
||
This handshake is done when establishing a session, and doesn't
|
||
need to be stored or distributed.
|
||
|
||
THE SYSOP KLUDGE
|
||
================
|
||
|
||
This kludge isn't at all as necessary and useful as the tecnical
|
||
kludge, but will sometimes be useful.
|
||
|
||
The kludge is called "SY" for "SYsop name", and has the
|
||
following format:
|
||
|
||
^ASY: Nils Hammar
|
||
|
||
This kludge only contains a plain text string, and is only
|
||
distributed at maximum once a week. This kludge will always apply
|
||
to the true originating node, and not the boss node, or host node,
|
||
because this information is connected with the true address, while
|
||
the tecnical information is connected with the closest dialable node
|
||
to the real node.
|
||
(The closest callable node is often the node itself.)
|
||
|
||
REPLIES & FLAMES
|
||
================
|
||
|
||
Direct yur replies and flames to this article to one of the addresses
|
||
displayed above.
|
||
|
||
----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
|
||
|
||
* PROPOSED ECHO: A Generation of New Men
|
||
|
||
by David Fisher (1:170/110)
|
||
Proposed FidoNet Echo: A Generation of New Men
|
||
|
||
Men's lives are changing. There is a rising current of healthy
|
||
questioning and re-evaluation of our definition as men and the
|
||
positions we hold in society. It is my interest to provide a
|
||
place of dialogue where people may participate in supportive and
|
||
thoughtful discussion concerning our lives as men.
|
||
|
||
FidoNews 8-44 Page 12 4 Nov 1991
|
||
|
||
|
||
Do you adhere to traditional roles of men as "Provider/Protector?"
|
||
Do you see the woman as the primary "nurturer" of the family? If
|
||
so, what are your reasons? Is there more to maleness than
|
||
providing a strong demeanor and an income? Can a man step beyond
|
||
these definitions and still "be a man?" If so, what are your
|
||
reasons? What does beating drums and sweating in hot tents have
|
||
to do with all this?
|
||
|
||
This Echo is in the formative stages. In order to make it
|
||
available nationally, there must be strong enough interest. If
|
||
you are a Sysop and interested in carrying the Echo, please send
|
||
NetMail to Dave Fisher at 1:170/110 stating that interest. If you
|
||
are a user and would like to participate in the Echo, please send
|
||
NetMail both to me and your local Sysop indicating your desire.
|
||
Or, you may also call my BBS at (918) 481-5715 and leave me a
|
||
message there. I will coordinate and moderate the echo.
|
||
|
||
The following is an excerpt from the "Rules Document" for the
|
||
Echo:
|
||
|
||
A Generation of New Men
|
||
-----------------------
|
||
|
||
Synopsis
|
||
--------
|
||
|
||
The forum, A Generation of New Men, is born out of the desire to
|
||
dialogue current issues and dilemmas facing men today. It is
|
||
becoming widely common to find men dissatisfied with their current
|
||
position in life -- men who have traditionally adhered to values
|
||
without discerning thought and healthy questioning of these
|
||
values.
|
||
|
||
Topics will include discussions revolving around the following
|
||
areas:
|
||
|
||
"Daddy Track"
|
||
|
||
The "Daddy Track" concerns men who have decided to put their
|
||
family and kids before their jobs and careers. Discussions on the
|
||
societal pressures and ramifications of their decisions will be
|
||
shared in an atmosphere of understanding and respect.
|
||
|
||
"Men's Movement"
|
||
|
||
The "Men's Movement" concerns men who have gone beyond the "soft
|
||
male" as described by Robert Bly. Discussions will revolve around
|
||
new experiences and expressions of self-identity from the male
|
||
perspective. Whether it's banging on a drum or discovering self-
|
||
confidence, all are welcome here.
|
||
|
||
FidoNews 8-44 Page 13 4 Nov 1991
|
||
|
||
|
||
Literature
|
||
|
||
There is a burgeoning amount of literature emerging as a result of
|
||
men coming forward to re-evaluate their position in family and
|
||
society. Discussions will be welcome responding to this
|
||
literature (such as Robert Bly's Iron John, Sam Keen's Fire in the
|
||
Belly, magazine articles, and others).
|
||
|
||
|
||
Governing Rules
|
||
---------------
|
||
|
||
Integrity and Honor
|
||
-------------------
|
||
|
||
The integrity of each participant will be upheld. When you are
|
||
responding to a comment left by another participant, you are
|
||
responding to a person. Given the topic material, there will be
|
||
many disagreements. (For example, is it respectable for a man to
|
||
stay at home caring for the children while the woman "brings home
|
||
the bacon?") On this forum, we will learn to disagree with honor
|
||
and respect the personal integrity of EVERY person on the forum.
|
||
|
||
Thus, this form will not tolerate inflammatory remarks. As well
|
||
as destroying the dignity of the person at which they are
|
||
directed, they are simply unproductive.
|
||
|
||
Honesty
|
||
-------
|
||
|
||
Each participant is encouraged to share his views and feelings
|
||
openly. Honest self-evaluation of these views will help create a
|
||
healthy atmosphere of dialogue.
|
||
|
||
Participants
|
||
------------
|
||
|
||
While the forum is generally meant for men (and to provide a
|
||
supportive atmosphere for men making some very difficult
|
||
decisions), the forum is not limited to men. Women are encouraged
|
||
to participant also. In truth, their supportive comments will add
|
||
a creative addition to the forum.
|
||
|
||
Language
|
||
--------
|
||
|
||
Language will be kept courteous. Even though a good curse here or
|
||
there is good for the soul, this forum is not the appropriate
|
||
place for cursing. Find a good friend that will listen. This
|
||
includes such euphemisms as a**h***, f*** y**, etc. Such
|
||
inflammatory language is not necessary to express your views on
|
||
this forum, and could possibly lead to the violation of the
|
||
recipient's integrity.
|
||
|
||
FidoNews 8-44 Page 14 4 Nov 1991
|
||
|
||
|
||
In short, personal attacks, "flames", or "shaming" is NOT allowed.
|
||
|
||
Quoting
|
||
-------
|
||
|
||
Any message left on this forum may NOT be quoted outside the forum
|
||
without the expressed written permission of the sender of the
|
||
message AND the recipient of the message. If you keep an
|
||
electronic and/or hard "paper" copy of any of the discussions,
|
||
they must not be altered in any way if they are shown to another
|
||
party. If they are shown to another party, please include the
|
||
source of their origin as "FidoNet Forum: A New Generation of
|
||
Men".
|
||
|
||
Since much of the discussions may include sensitive material, the
|
||
writers must be protected from potential misuse of their words.
|
||
|
||
Aliases
|
||
-------
|
||
|
||
The use of aliases or handles are permitted. The moderator,
|
||
however, maintains the right to refuse any alias that he considers
|
||
to be in "bad taste".
|
||
|
||
Availability
|
||
------------
|
||
|
||
This forum is available to any BBS that would like to carry it.
|
||
|
||
Illegal Activities and Advertising
|
||
|
||
Illegal activities are not tolerated on this forum. This would
|
||
include not only breaches of National and State laws, but also
|
||
breaches of FidoNet policies (such as changing the content of
|
||
routed mail, etc.).
|
||
|
||
Commercial advertising, sales or otherwise, is also prohibited.
|
||
|
||
|
||
***************************************************
|
||
**** If you are interested, please contact me! ****
|
||
***************************************************
|
||
|
||
LiveNet - (918) 481-5715, FidoNet node 1:170/110
|
||
|
||
The full rules document NEWMEN.RUL is available for downloading.
|
||
|
||
|
||
----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
|
||
By: Rodney Harper
|
||
FidoNews 8-44 Page 15 4 Nov 1991
|
||
|
||
|
||
Topic: New Echo Starting Up !!
|
||
Echo Tag: PET_FORUM
|
||
|
||
|
||
-= Pet_Forum Echo =-
|
||
|
||
A local Echo has started stirring its wilds in the Mobile,
|
||
Alabama area. We requested remote caller's to this system to
|
||
help give it a name. Out of 4 or 5 given selections "Pet Forum"
|
||
was obtained.
|
||
|
||
A local echo that has been the area of fascination for many users
|
||
has been the PET_FORUM. As you may notice, the name is that of a
|
||
Pets Echo.
|
||
|
||
Discussions are open to all area's of pet keeping, and animal
|
||
information as well. The local participants have enjoyed timely
|
||
conversation on various topics, such as: Controlling Flea's and
|
||
Ticks, First Aid, Care of Reptiles, Birds, Dog's, Cat's, Horses,
|
||
and even Small mammals such as ferrets and hamsters.
|
||
|
||
We have had joyful discussions over the past year, and would like
|
||
to invite others to join in as well.
|
||
|
||
The PET_FORUM Echo is being originated from
|
||
1:3625/454@fidonet.org and will be distributed to REC 18 VIA
|
||
1:371/1302 (this nets uplink). The moderator is a point off of
|
||
this system 1;3625/454.14 or if your software doesn't like 4D
|
||
point addressing, use out fakepoint address of 1:30815/14 to
|
||
contact the moderator, Rodney Harper of Bayou La Batre, Alabama.
|
||
|
||
The moderator is a full time college student at the University of
|
||
South Alabama, and works as a Zoological collector between
|
||
quarters. He has been involved with collecting and breeding
|
||
Tropical Fish and Herpetiles for over 15 years, and is quite
|
||
experienced in other area's of the pet hobby as well.
|
||
|
||
*Echo Tag is: PET_FORUM
|
||
No Aliases allowed, No flaming.....
|
||
Please try to keep discussion down to pets or pet related topics.
|
||
Ask your REC to carry it, so we can get it out on the backbone
|
||
soon.
|
||
|
||
----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
|
||
|
||
Odyssey: The Fringe Science Network of the Future
|
||
by Jerry Woody
|
||
1:3607/20
|
||
|
||
ODYSSEY is an association of Electronic Bulletin Board Systems dedicated
|
||
to the research of "Fringe Science" events in our world. By Fringe
|
||
Science we are referring to the U.F.O. phenoneman, Legendary monsters
|
||
such as Bigfoot, Yeti and the Loch Ness Monster, and other paranormal
|
||
type events such as ghosts, esp, psychic abilities, etc. As Charles
|
||
Forte put it, the scientific community has chosen to ignore information
|
||
FidoNews 8-44 Page 16 4 Nov 1991
|
||
|
||
|
||
and data concerning fringe science happenings. ODYSSEY will attempt to
|
||
gather, discuss and make public infomation in the most timely and ac-
|
||
curate way possible on unusual and fringe science events.
|
||
|
||
ODYSSEY is different from other Paranormal or Fringe Science nets in
|
||
the way that we use echomail and the all important door programs that
|
||
add another dimension for the user accessing an ODYSSEY Research Board.
|
||
We have the chat echos that discuss UFO's, Monsters and Unknown
|
||
Happenings but we also try to use echomail to its fullest potential.
|
||
For example, an online door program called UFOBASE not only allows the
|
||
user to enter a UFO sighting, but that sighting is formatted in such a
|
||
way that it can be 'tossed' into our Skywatch echo for all our users
|
||
to study. Also, a user may upload a sighting in our Skywatch echo via
|
||
a pre-formatted form questionaire. Users and Sysops are assured of
|
||
the most up to date fringe science files through networking. Special
|
||
programs announces not only the new files available but also gives the
|
||
user a brief description and how long it will take to download. The
|
||
new file arrivals are also announced on a special echo. There is also
|
||
a special echo that deals entirely with up to date news clippings
|
||
concerning fringe science events and happenings.
|
||
|
||
Thank you for taking the time to read this article. If you are a user
|
||
and interested in Fringe Science happenings I invite you to access an
|
||
Odyssey node nearest you. If you are a sysop who enjoys running door
|
||
programs, wants to add a new dimension to your echomail or have an
|
||
interest in Fringe Science happenings, I invite you to join Odyssey.
|
||
Accessing and membership in Odyssey is Free. I will be more than
|
||
happy to answer any of your questions if netmailed to fidonet address
|
||
1:3607/20 or you may log on to the Frontier BBS at 1-205-739-1469
|
||
(300 - 19200 *hst* speeds). For more detailed information you may
|
||
FREQ the file ODYSSEY.ZIP or download it from the BBS.
|
||
|
||
|
||
----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
|
||
|
||
Proposal for 3 new Echomail Conferences:
|
||
or
|
||
The NEED for WOBO!
|
||
|
||
WOBO was founded to fill a void and satisify a number of
|
||
needs.
|
||
|
||
The need for the development of some form of multi-national
|
||
grouping, began to be felt as long ago as the early 1980's,
|
||
this lead to the World Organisation of Building Officials
|
||
being founded in 1987.
|
||
|
||
This perception of need followed on from several practical
|
||
issues being found to be common to many Building officials
|
||
daily workload:-
|
||
|
||
FidoNews 8-44 Page 17 4 Nov 1991
|
||
|
||
|
||
1- The continuing expansion of international trade and
|
||
commerce.
|
||
|
||
2- More and more Building Officials found that they were being
|
||
asked to deal with products that are manufactured in very
|
||
distant countries to different standards.
|
||
|
||
3- Architects and Engineers from one country designing
|
||
structures to be located in other countries.
|
||
|
||
4- Participation of nations in the Global marketplace.
|
||
|
||
5- Rapid development on new (Fast-track) building
|
||
technologies.
|
||
|
||
WOBO's purpose as a world organisation is to advance the
|
||
professional status of those engagged in the adminstration
|
||
and enforcement of building codes and standards, and it will
|
||
strive toward the following goals:-
|
||
|
||
A) to promote safeguards from potential hazards and to
|
||
recommend solutions for preventing fire risks in existing
|
||
buildings or buildings under construction;
|
||
|
||
B) to promote the concept of standardising construction
|
||
materials, equipment and appliances.
|
||
|
||
C) to promote unification of legislation pertaining to the
|
||
administration of codes and standards;
|
||
|
||
D) to collaborate with international organisations,
|
||
governments and educational institutes to promote the
|
||
development of training programs for Building Officials.
|
||
|
||
E) to encourage and promote in all countries the establishment
|
||
of a national Building Officials Organisation.
|
||
|
||
F) to promote conferences, seminars and congresses of a
|
||
national and international character in furthering the
|
||
objectives of the organisation.
|
||
|
||
So as to effectively carry out its primary objectives of
|
||
advancing education through dissemination of knowledge in
|
||
building science, technology and construction, WOBO wishes
|
||
to encourage the following:
|
||
|
||
1) The creation of an information clearinghouse through which
|
||
each participating member can share;
|
||
|
||
a) recent technological developments in building products,
|
||
designs and construction which are being introduced in the
|
||
FidoNews 8-44 Page 18 4 Nov 1991
|
||
|
||
|
||
marketplaces;
|
||
|
||
b) their immediate public safety concerns which relate to the
|
||
building environment; and
|
||
|
||
c) information on their nation's building regulatory system
|
||
and means of handling such issues as code adoption and
|
||
changes, standards development, usage, education and
|
||
training of code officials and enforcement personnel,
|
||
liability of code regulatory officials and their approval
|
||
and use of new building technology.
|
||
|
||
2) The convening of round-table forums in which all members
|
||
nations and organisations could candidly and freely discuss
|
||
their building regulatory problems and seek common and safe
|
||
solutions to their mutually shared problems.
|
||
|
||
3) The sponsoring of symposia through which attendees can hear
|
||
experts in code administration and construction fields and
|
||
hold discussions to seek solutions to commonly shared
|
||
problems in providing for the public's safety in buildings.
|
||
|
||
WHO are these BUILDING OFFICIALS????
|
||
|
||
Building Officials act as industry regulators and defacto law
|
||
enforcers, in addition to their promotion of high levels of
|
||
safety in and about builidngs and the built environment.
|
||
|
||
Nations have, of course, confered these functions on different
|
||
organisations, levels of government and personel.
|
||
|
||
So our term "Building Officials" therefore includes such as a
|
||
'Fire Marshal'in the Fire Brigade, as well as ones City/Town
|
||
or County (Council) Authority staff, Regional and State civil
|
||
servants, who may inturn be architects, engineers, surveyors,
|
||
etc.
|
||
|
||
Many Building standards are indeed wrote by such Building
|
||
Officials, using their collected experience of building
|
||
materials in real life buildings, and in combination with
|
||
research from the leading Testing Institutes around the World.
|
||
|
||
CODES???
|
||
|
||
Building standards which are legally enforcable, are often
|
||
termed "codes" and several member organisations of WOBO, have
|
||
codes available on the following:-
|
||
|
||
* Model Building Code * Model Sign Code
|
||
* Model Fire Code * Model Machnical Code
|
||
* Model Plumbing Code * Model Security Code
|
||
FidoNews 8-44 Page 19 4 Nov 1991
|
||
|
||
|
||
* Model Dwelling Code * Model Electrical Code
|
||
* Model Administrative Code * Model Swiming Pool Code
|
||
|
||
The Model Fire code, in California, for example advises on how
|
||
many Fire Dectectors should be installed in family dwelling
|
||
houses, as well as what is acceptable in a large shoping mall!
|
||
|
||
Model code are "drafts" suitable for adoption in a locality by
|
||
the proper legal authority(s).
|
||
|
||
In Europe most Nations have a national standards body, and a
|
||
Building Materials testing Body, (UL) (Agremont) and their
|
||
national building laws/codes use these to good advantage.
|
||
|
||
Within the European Community, of the twelve nations, after
|
||
1991, no national law or code may prevent construction materials
|
||
or products by virtue of the "its not gotten our (national)
|
||
test certificate" rule, if it can be shown to have a "CE"
|
||
mark, from another EC nation.
|
||
|
||
This "CE" mark is a sign that it complies with the European
|
||
Building 'Norm' or EUROCODE or EURONORM. As this is a major
|
||
local problem for myself, I hope my Euronorm echo takes off
|
||
fast. For the first of the "construction Products Directive"
|
||
(European Law) took effect on the 26th of June 1991! So it
|
||
is law now in Europe and England!
|
||
|
||
I feel that there is, as yet, a real shortage of suitable
|
||
information on its practical effect, and implementation, and I
|
||
hope the "EURONORM" echo may be one of the more effective ways
|
||
that Building Official may speak unto Building official,
|
||
canidly and freely.
|
||
|
||
Whilst is a International Standards Organisation, this is very
|
||
generic, and WOBO is aimed at the Building Sectors needs. The
|
||
ISO exists for ANSI, BSI, CSA, DIN, etc.
|
||
|
||
WOBO wishes to act as a link between the regulators and the
|
||
regulated, and to provide a means of ensuring information
|
||
flows and is thus able to be used in buildings to the public's
|
||
safe advantage.
|
||
|
||
As a means of enabling of information flow, between both
|
||
Building Code (Law) Authorities and Building officials at the
|
||
human level, I being dwon at the grassroots, as an associate
|
||
member, am proposing the following three (initial) "echomail"
|
||
conferences, as "round-tables" for all interested in the
|
||
Building Industry and its public or private regulation and
|
||
material specification.
|
||
|
||
Thus including Builders , Designers and Building Officials, in
|
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FidoNews 8-44 Page 20 4 Nov 1991
|
||
|
||
|
||
a rapid electronic link with global capacity.
|
||
|
||
|
||
Proposed echos;
|
||
|
||
WOBOVIEW - news and views of the membership of WOBO.
|
||
|
||
BUILDCODE - news about building standards, codes and laws
|
||
worldwide.
|
||
|
||
EURONORM - News about the EC (European Community)
|
||
Construction Products Directive(s), and the
|
||
surporting standards and documentation.
|
||
|
||
Note. 1992 will see a major outpouring of EC laws
|
||
on Building Materials and their minimum
|
||
safety standards, set by the CPD.
|
||
|
||
|
||
I must stress that these echos are not 'official' media, only
|
||
a means of implementing a practical mode whereby my desire for
|
||
the free flow of technical information on building matters,
|
||
between interested parties, may actually happen regularly,
|
||
and at a cost that small local municipalities can budget for,
|
||
and keep their level of knowldge right up to date.
|
||
|
||
AVAILABLITY:
|
||
|
||
If you want to carry these echos, they will be available from:-
|
||
|
||
LOG-On-In-TYNEDALE -44-434-60-66-39
|
||
[300 to 9600 HST baud] 2:256/97
|
||
|
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I will (initially) act as moderator at:-
|
||
|
||
LOG-on-the-TYNE -44-91-478-6272
|
||
[300 to 2400 baud] 2:256/17
|
||
|
||
The Echo names are WOBOVIEW , BUILDCODE and EURONORM
|
||
|
||
|
||
WOBO's MEMBERSHIP - NEW USERS FOR YOUR BBS!
|
||
|
||
I have circulated a postal letter to all of the WOBO@s
|
||
national organisations and I hope that this will in turn
|
||
promote our bulletin boards, and the FidoNet in general.
|
||
|
||
I hope that you will find time to demonstrate our FidoNets
|
||
echomail to those who will find out about it for the first
|
||
time, from my letter to the WOBO membership, with which I
|
||
have circulated a cut-down nodelist (Hosts only) to give a
|
||
FidoNews 8-44 Page 21 4 Nov 1991
|
||
|
||
|
||
hint at the global fidonetwork.
|
||
|
||
Note. Its based on the Nodelist.001 circulated with Opus v1.7x
|
||
in July 1991.
|
||
|
||
I hope thus to introduce a large number of new users to all
|
||
our nets around the world.
|
||
|
||
It may be that a WOBO-Net may form, but that is far off day in
|
||
the future.
|
||
|
||
If your local sysop is interested, the local WOBO chapters may
|
||
in some areas be a source of sponsorship or equipment.
|
||
|
||
|
||
WOBO STATUS:
|
||
|
||
WOBO is a independent body, with consultative status,
|
||
(caterogy II) from the United Nations "Economic and Social
|
||
Council" and UNIDO (United Nations Industrial Development
|
||
Organisation).
|
||
|
||
WOBO membership is available to all people who administer or
|
||
control or take part in the building of our build environment.
|
||
|
||
Full Details from Secretariat,
|
||
WOBO,
|
||
900 Montclair Road,
|
||
BIRMINGHAM, ALABAMA
|
||
USA 35213-1206
|
||
|
||
eg. associate membership dues, for individual Building
|
||
Officials,is only $25.00 (US funds)
|
||
|
||
|
||
I hope that you might display this notice on your own BBS.
|
||
|
||
The Writer:
|
||
|
||
I work as a Building Control Surveyor, for my home town, and
|
||
as part of a team of 25 staff, administer the UK's national
|
||
(model) Building Regulations, to a population of 213,000 folk,
|
||
in six towns and the surrounding countryside. We inspect over
|
||
1,000 building projects and more than 500 dwelling houses each
|
||
year.
|
||
|
||
We also work with the County Fire and Civil Defence Authority
|
||
to help enforce the Fire precautions code, in factories,
|
||
hotels, offices, shops and shoping malls. The largest shoping
|
||
Mall in Europe (The Metro Centre) with 10,000 car spaces is
|
||
within our Borough.
|
||
|
||
FidoNews 8-44 Page 22 4 Nov 1991
|
||
|
||
|
||
We also deal with the Public Safety Licencing at Showgrounds
|
||
and open-air POP_Music concerts, as well as the several sports
|
||
arenas, within the borough.
|
||
|
||
We also act in cases of potentially dangerious buildings and
|
||
similar structures, eg. high winds and storms etc.
|
||
|
||
We are a part of the Engineering Services of the locally
|
||
elected Metropolitan Borough Council.
|
||
|
||
I beleive that the above tasks would be familar to most
|
||
Building officials around the world.
|
||
|
||
|
||
Article status:
|
||
|
||
I write this as a non-work effort. Please do not call me at my
|
||
place of work, use the Fidonet email (to 2:256/17) or my own
|
||
postal address; (IRCs if you want a postal reply, please.)
|
||
|
||
John S. Bone AMIAS AMWOBO
|
||
FIDO-WOBO Project.
|
||
3 Claremont Place,
|
||
Gateshead.
|
||
Tyne and Wear NE8 1TL
|
||
England. UK.
|
||
|
||
|
||
The above is a voluntary project on my own part, and my own
|
||
personal views on the WOBO memberships use of 'FidoNet',
|
||
'email' or of 'echomail', do not necessarily reflect those
|
||
of the WOBO governors nor my employers nor my local IAAS
|
||
branch.
|
||
|
||
Thanks for reading this article.
|
||
|
||
John S. Bone
|
||
AMIAS AMWOBO
|
||
Gateshead, Tyne and Wear, (north-east) England. UK
|
||
|
||
Sysop LOG-on-the-TYNE OPUS_CBCS 2:256/17
|
||
(In Fido_Net since 1984!) 26th october 1991
|
||
|
||
|
||
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|
||
|
||
FidoNews 8-44 Page 23 4 Nov 1991
|
||
|
||
|
||
======================================================================
|
||
RANTS AND FLAMES
|
||
======================================================================
|
||
|
||
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|
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|
||
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|
||
()*&#$_(&^#$_(#*$_#($^&#_$(^&#_$(&^#$_(&#^ damn right _(#^&$_(#^&
|
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$*&#$_+(* #)$&(%($%+)($%*+$)%($* it's ugly _#&%^# &
|
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#($_*#$_ FidoNet (*$&%_@#_(*&@#_(@*#&_ @#_(*&@#_(*
|
||
)*&#$ Flames *^$+)#(% (not for the timid) @_#(
|
||
(*#$_(*^@#+) and #_|)*% &+(@#&*_+(@#*^&@###
|
||
(#$*&#_($*&#$_(*#&$_(#* Rants *&+#$*&#+$*&#
|
||
)*&#$_(a regular feature)^&#_$(&^#$_ $^&#$_(#^
|
||
(*^#$_*#^&$)*#&$^%)#*$&^_#($*^&#_($ Section #&%^_
|
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_(*#&$_(#* #($*& #$* _(*&@#_(@*# *&@#_(*&
|
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|
||
(*&_(*&_(*&
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
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|
||
|
||
FidoNews 8-44 Page 24 4 Nov 1991
|
||
|
||
|
||
======================================================================
|
||
CLASSIFIEDS
|
||
======================================================================
|
||
|
||
ADVERTISEMENT POLICY: Submissions must be 20 lines or less each,
|
||
maximum two ads per advertiser, 70 characters per line maximum. No
|
||
control codes except CR and LF. (Refer to contact info at the end of
|
||
this newsletter for details.)
|
||
|
||
Please notify us if you have any trouble with an advertiser. FidoNews
|
||
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|
||
|
||
|
||
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|
||
|
||
FidoNews 8-44 Page 25 4 Nov 1991
|
||
|
||
|
||
======================================================================
|
||
NOTICES
|
||
======================================================================
|
||
|
||
The Interrupt Stack
|
||
|
||
3 May 1992
|
||
The areacode for northern and central Georgia will change from 404 to
|
||
702. The Atlanta metro area will remain area code 404. Area code 912 in
|
||
southern Georgia will remain the same. Affected areas will share both
|
||
the 404 and the 702 area code from May 3, 1992 until August 3, 1992 when
|
||
the change will become permanent.
|
||
|
||
1 Dec 1993
|
||
Tenth anniversary of Fido Version 1 release.
|
||
|
||
5 Jun 1997
|
||
David Dodell's 40th Birthday
|
||
|
||
|
||
If you have something which you would like to see on this calendar,
|
||
please send a message to FidoNet node 1:1/1.
|
||
|
||
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|
||
|
||
FidoNews 8-44 Page 26 4 Nov 1991
|
||
|
||
|
||
======================================================================
|
||
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|
||
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|
||
|
||
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|
||
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|
||
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|
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|
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|
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|
||
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|
||
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|
||
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|
||
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|
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|
||
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|
||
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|
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|
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|
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|
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PKPak 3.61 PolyXarc 2.1a
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PKZip 1.10 QM 1.00a*
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QSort 4.04
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Raid 1.00@
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StarLink 1.01
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TCOMMail 2.2
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TGroup 1.13
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FidoNews 8-44 Page 27 4 Nov 1991
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|
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|
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||
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Kitten 1.01@ BinkleyTerm 2.50* ARC 7.12
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SimplexBBS 1.04.02*+ BinkleyTerm(S) 2.50*@ ARC2 6.01*
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SEAmail 1.01@ EZPoint 2.1@
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FGroup 1.00@
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LH2 2.11*
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Omail 3.1
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|
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||
|
||
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|
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|
||
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||
|Contact: Jon Hogan-uran 3:711/909, |
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||
|Willy Paine 1:343/15 or Eddy van Loo|
|
||
|2:285/406 |
|
||
|
||
|
||
Apple II
|
||
--------
|
||
|
||
BBS Software Network Mailers Other Utilities
|
||
Name Version Name Version Name Version
|
||
-------------------- -------------------- --------------------
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||
DDBBS + 8.0* Fruity Dog 2.0 deARC2e 2.1
|
||
GBBS Pro 2.1 ProSel 8.70*
|
||
FidoNews 8-44 Page 28 4 Nov 1991
|
||
|
||
|
||
ShrinkIt 3.30*
|
||
|Contact: Dennis McClain-Furmanski 1:275/42| ShrinkIt GS 1.04
|
||
|
||
|
||
Apple CP/M
|
||
----------
|
||
|
||
BBS Software Network Mailers Other Utilities
|
||
Name Version Name Version Name Version
|
||
-------------------- -------------------- --------------------
|
||
|
||
|
||
Macintosh
|
||
---------
|
||
|
||
BBS Software Network Mailers Other Software
|
||
Name Version Name Version Name Version
|
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-------------------- -------------------- --------------------
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||
|
||
|
||
Point System
|
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Software
|
||
Name Version
|
||
--------------------
|
||
|
||
|
||
Amiga
|
||
-----
|
||
|
||
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|
||
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|
||
-------------------- -------------------- --------------------
|
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DLG Pro. 0.96b TrapDoor 1.80 Areafix 1.48
|
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|
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|
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|
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|
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||
|
||
|Contact: Maximilian Hantsch 2:310/6|
|
||
|
||
|
||
Atari ST/TT
|
||
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|
||
|
||
BBS Software Network Mailers Other Utilities
|
||
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|
||
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FIDOdoor/ST 2.5.1* Burep 1.1@
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|
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QuickBBS/ST 1.04 Echoscan 1.10
|
||
FidoNews 8-44 Page 29 4 Nov 1991
|
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|
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|
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UnJARST 2.00
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WhatArc 2.02
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Archimedes
|
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|
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|
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|
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|
||
|
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Tandy Color Computer 3 (OS-9 Level II)
|
||
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|
||
|
||
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|
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RiBBS 2.02 OS9ARC (Arc) 1.0 Ascan 1.2
|
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OS9ARC (Dearc) 1.0 AutoFRL 2.0
|
||
DEARC CKARC 1.1
|
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UNZIP 3.10 EchoCheck 1.01
|
||
FReq 2.5a
|
||
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||
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|
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|
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|
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|
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||
|
||
Utility Authors: Please help keep this list up to date by reporting
|
||
all new versions to 1:103/950 in this format:
|
||
|
||
1) Software Name & Version 2) FileName.Ext
|
||
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|
||
|
||
|
||
FidoNews 8-44 Page 30 4 Nov 1991
|
||
|
||
|
||
Note: It is not our intent to list all utilities here, only those
|
||
which verge on necessity. If you want it updated in the next
|
||
FidoNews, get it to me by Thursday evening.
|
||
|
||
--David French, 1:103/950
|
||
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|
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|
||
FidoNews 8-44 Page 31 4 Nov 1991
|
||
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||
|
||
------- FIDONEWS MASTHEAD AND CONTACT INFORMATION ----------------
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||
|
||
Editors: Tom Jennings, Tim Pozar
|
||
Editors Emeritii: Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell, Vince Periello
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|
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|
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