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Volume 8, Number 13 1 April 1991
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Editor in Chief: Vince Perriello
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Editors Emeritii: Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell
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Chief Procrastinator Emeritus: Tom Jennings
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Copyright 1991, Fido Software. All rights reserved. Duplication
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Most articles are unsolicited. Our policy is to publish every
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responsible submission received.
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Table of Contents
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1. ARTICLES ................................................. 1
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WorldPol Sucks ........................................... 1
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An Experimental Election in Region 18 .................... 10
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Sister Nets - A proposal ................................. 13
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A Few Comments on WorldPol ............................... 15
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Another Top Ten List ..................................... 18
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More Comments ............................................ 19
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2. COLUMNS .................................................. 22
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Talk Me Through It, Honey ................................ 22
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3. LATEST VERSIONS .......................................... 24
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Latest Software Versions ................................. 24
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And more!
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FidoNews 8-13 Page 1 1 Apr 1991
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ARTICLES
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WorldPol Sucks
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Harry Lee 1:321/202
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Yeah, it's just another of those old-timers grousing about
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things. What do they know, anyway? They're just a bunch of
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dinosaurs.
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Further, this particular old-timer might be accused of having a
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vested interest in P4. Perhaps so, but I was schooled in egoless
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programming. That means you accept the FACT that you are going
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to make mistakes, learn from them, and move on. Chairman Len
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says it well: "A baseball player who hits .500 is considered to
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be doing amazingly well, but if you think about it, that means
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he's screwing up half the time."
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Whether or not you choose to believe how seriously I take all
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that is your problem, not mine.
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I'd LIKE to see a Policy5, since one of the main design goals of
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P4 was to provide a path to get from the IFNA environment to a
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Policy (or, more properly, FidoNet) driven environment, to define
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the mechanism needed to change Policy, to make that mechanism
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answerable to the net. We KNEW we weren't solving all the
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existing problems. That wasn't the goal. The goal was to make
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it POSSIBLE to solve those problems, in the absence of IFNA.
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A radical restructuring of Policy makes a lot of sense While
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Policy3 and Policy4 both served their purposes, P4 at least is
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"spaghetti code", a set of patches to address the vacuum caused
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by the debacle known as (the implementation of) IFNA.
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However, a radical restructuring does not necessarily imply
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radical changes in the effects. WorldPol seems to want to do
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both. In programming school, I was taught this was insanity.
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Too many variables are being changed at one time. It's as if a
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mailer author not only changed the code, but also the protocols.
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What are you left to test against?
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One of the primary design rules of P4 (at least while I was
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involved) was "very small delta from P3". (The logic was the
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more things you changed, the more things you gave people to vote
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against - one lesson of Western Democracy the authors seem not to
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recognize is that for better or for worse, people don't vote for
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things, they vote against them.) If radical restructuring is the
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goal of WorldPol, I submit it makes sense to attempt to keep the
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FUNCTION as close to P4 as possible.
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FidoNews 8-13 Page 2 1 Apr 1991
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Ignorance of History
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The problems with WorldPol are rooted in an absolute lack of
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understanding of history. Correct that - it's not that it
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doesn't understand it - it doesn't even consider it.
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A simple, objective example of this is the list of credits.
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Whether or not the authors like it, my words, and Thom
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Henderson's words have been used, with absolutely no credit
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given. I'm not seeking any glory by pointing this out - although
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I do find irony in the fact that as bad as the authors seem to
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feel Pol4 was, they seem to have used a lot of the language I
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wrote into it in their efforts. It can't be said they are
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ignorant of this fact, unless the authors don't read FidoNews, as
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I've pointed it out here before.
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On the other hand, I should be thankful I don't have to go to the
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lengths Bill Bolton has to distance himself from it, so I guess
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overall, it's a wash at a personal level.
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More to the point, many of the problems that exist in WorldPol
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are problems that occurred to earlier developers of Policy.
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Clearly, we did not have all the answers. But we understood some
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of the questions. To the best of my knowledge, no effort was
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made to exploit those resources.
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Policy4 development didn't start out with "Policy3 sucks" as a
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basis. In fact, I was impressed with the document called
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Policy3, and that only increased as I worked on P4. Further,
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part of what we did as a part of P4 development was to talk to
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the P3 developers about what we were trying to do. Anyone who's
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been in FidoNet for a while knows there is no love lost between
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Thom Henderson and myself, but I've nothing but respect and
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praise for his work in the form of P3. I wasn't a real fan of
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Thom's at the time I was working on P4, but we still managed to
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talk about it, because we both cared about FidoNet more than our
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personal differences.
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As I've said elsewhere, FidoNet seems to have a very retarded
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institutional memory. I won't quote Santayana here, but his
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words apply in spades.
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Different Social Orientation
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WorldPol was written by people from a fundamentally different
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society. No, I'm not referring to their national origin, or
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language differences (although those cause some very real
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problems.) Zone 4 is a VERY small zone. It's smaller than any
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REGION in Zone 1. It's smaller than a number of NETS in Zone 1.
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It's about the size of FidoNet in the time of Policy 1.
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FidoNews 8-13 Page 3 1 Apr 1991
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There are a lot of implications to be derived from this. When
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FidoNet was that small, things were a lot easier. Everyone knew
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each other, or knew each other one person removed. The people
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who were involved had to be very motivated to be involved,
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because being in FidoNet then was much more of a technical pain
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in the ass then it is now. The membership was more cooperative.
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Interpersonal differences were more easily resolved, because we'd
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all been through a common trial by fire, and we were all there
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for mostly the same reason - the sheer joy of playing with the
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technology.
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I submit these qualities must exist to no small degree in Zone
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4. While the software technology is much more mature, they have
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to deal with phone systems that make mine look good. In some
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ways, I'm envious of them, as in many ways, FidoNet was much more
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fun when it was smaller.
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But now it's big. It's not just big here - Zones 2 and 3 are
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pretty hefty, too. Many nodes (if not most) are run by people of
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far less technical competence than in "the old days". They are
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operated, in many cases, so people can consume their echomail.
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There is no common "trial by fire", at least, not here in Zone 1.
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Some might say it would be great to get back to those times. But
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that's impractical. The evolution of Policy has been necessary
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because what seems like common sense in a small group of
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similarly motivated individuals breaks down rapidly in larger
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group dynamics. Common sense, unfortunately, is not all that
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common.
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I'm often called a jingoist. This is about as off base as a
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statement can get. Further, I believe the majority is not always
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right, and in any case, the rights of the minority must be
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protected. However, WorldPol is a serious case of the tail
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wagging the dog. It is a minority, and in many ways, an
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adolescent minority, telling the majority that everything it's
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done is wrong. It's a generation gap. What I'm trying to say
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here is we were teenagers once, too. Give us some credit for
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that, and for having grown through that. With luck, Zone 4 will
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eventually face the same problems of scale we've had to deal with
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for YEARS now. Certainly, we made mistakes in dealing with them,
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but WorldPol is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
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Western Style Democracy or Democracy in General
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WorldPol uses the nebulous phrase "democratic by western
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standards" to describe its political intent.
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I don't have any argument with that at a philosophical level.
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It's at a practical level it falls to pieces.
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FidoNews 8-13 Page 4 1 Apr 1991
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I can't find a good definition of "democratic by Western
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Standards" anywhere. For instance, if you consider WorldPol
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analogous to the US Constitution (that's as standard a western
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democratic document I know), ratification of changes requires a
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two thirds vote of all the states. It's not clear to me if
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WorldPol needs a plurality, a majority of those voting, an
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absolute majority, or what.
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Defining the Problem
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One of the things I found ironic was that a lot of the language I
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wrote that appears in P4 (and WorldPol) is of the form:
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"Here's the problem. Here's how we're trying to address that
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problem."
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Or the reverse:
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"Here's a rule. Here's why this rule exists."
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For the life of me, I can't see where WorldPol defines what
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problems existing in P4 it wants to solve. I'm not (by any
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means) saying there are no problems in P4. But in programming
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school, they always taught me to carefully define the problem
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before trying to solve it, or, dollars to donuts, you will end up
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solving the wrong problem, not solving any problem, or creating
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new ones. WorldPol is an object lesson on this point.
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All I see WorldPol say is something nebulous like there are local
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problems that P4 doesn't address. What problems? If it's
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possible to solve them at a high level, rather than implementing
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hundreds of different solutions to the same problem at lower
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levels, doesn't that make more sense?
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Geography
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Geography is a very big part of my objections to WorldPol.
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FidoNet was not designed as an "I Me Mine" network. Networks
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exist to minimize the costs of the WHOLE, not as social clubs.
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Networks exist to minimize the cost of sending mail to a
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locality. If I have five messages to send to LA, but one of the
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nodes there belongs to a net in NJ, I'm going to make two LD
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calls instead of one to deliver those messages. That's stupid.
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That's more than stupid. That's annoying.
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I've never understood the "oppression" people seem to believe
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geography imposes. I get angry when people say it's done to give
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the coordinators power. A statement like that couldn't be
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further from the truth. It's actually exactly the opposite -
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geography constrains the coordinators from making arbitrary
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decisions about who may or may not be in "their" networks. This
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constraint seems totally removed.
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FidoNews 8-13 Page 5 1 Apr 1991
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Geography is simply an objective technical standard. Since
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WorldPol eliminates geography, without providing an objective
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technical standard, and it defines objectivity as its driving
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logic, I find it illogical, and oxymoronic.
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There already are provisions for exceptions to geography in P4.
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They state that the "next level up" and all coordinators involved
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have to agree to the exception.
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If geography is removed as a criterion for membership, the
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overall costs to the network as a whole will be increased. How?
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Simple - every time someone has a spat with their NC, they will
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move to another net. For a period, they will be dual
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nodelisted. The diffs will be that much bigger to move around.
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Extra calls will be made to deliver mail. Dup loops will be
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created up the gazoo.
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If, at any given time, 1% of the network is unhappy with their
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coordinators, in a net of 10,000, this means 100 nodes in some
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weird state of flux. Offhand, I'd say that if ONLY 1% of the net
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is unhappy about something, we're getting off easy.
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Even if some relaxation of geography is to be put in place, it
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should be specified. As it stands, it's been removed with an
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implication there are restrictions, but they are completely
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unspecified. I-Me-Mine types will press this to the limits.
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By eliminating geography, and not putting any other standard in
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place, WorldPol makes it legal to be a member of more than one
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local net, even outside of transitional periods.
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I used to raise the analogy that you don't get to pick your phone
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exchange. WorldPol provides an even better one: you don't get to
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pick your voting district in a western democracy (other than by
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moving). WorldPol makes gerrymandering an individual right
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rather than an abuse by the government. It makes (EASILY)
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possible the old Chicago standard of democracy - vote early, and
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often. Once again, WorldPol is oxymoronic by its own standards.
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WorldPol is fundamentally dangerous on this point. Given local
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Policy, and non-geographic nets, it is entirely possible to
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create special interest nets. This was tried years ago (Jr-Net)
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and found to be counterproductive. Echomail and file
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distribution networks are the answer to special interests, not
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the elimination of geography. In this I-Me-Mine age, these
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special interest nets easily can take on a positively evil tinge
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- the jumps between "CM only systems" and "9600 CM only" and
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"9600 CM systems with BBS' only" and "9600 CM systems with free
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access BBS' only" and "<your favorite mailer here> only" and
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"women sysops only" and "no blacks or gays or women or Hispanics
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or Jews need apply" aren't all that big. (After all, race and
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sex are objective facts, and therefore legal criteria for
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decision making under WorldPol.)
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FidoNews 8-13 Page 6 1 Apr 1991
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Bill of Rights versus Rules of Conduct
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Policy has always had a dualistic function. At one level, it is
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a code of conduct - the laws of the land. At another, it is a
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bill of rights.
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I believe WorldPol dilutes - actually destroys might be more
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accurate - the latter function. Further, I believe that if we're
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going to start splitting things up, it makes MUCH more sense to
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split them along the "bill of rights/laws of the land" division
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than the "global/local" one.
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This may well have been the intent of the authors. However, it
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is not reflected in work.
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Mediator Insanity
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By altering the complaint process, WorldPol dramatically
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increases the workload of upper levels of the *C structure. In
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many ways, this is "anti-democratic".
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Simple statistics make it obvious that given there are maybe 30
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people in my net, and 10,000 in all the others, that it's far
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more likely a complaint involving a person in my net will have to
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be handled at the RC or higher level than at the NC. Given there
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are perhaps 500 people in my region (just a guess), and 10,000 in
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all the rest, it's fairly likely that a complaint involving one
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party from my region will have to be resolved at the ZC level.
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Further, this varies the number of levels of appeal, depending on
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where your complaint is initially made. Depending on who is
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complaining about your actions, you might have one or two or
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three levels at which to make your argument. Doesn't justice
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imply equal treatment under the law? Not under WorldPol.
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I actually like George Peace. I don't have anything against him,
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or my RC, Don Dawson. I can't imagine why I'd want to make their
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lives miserable by handing them complaints that can and should be
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handled at the NC to NC level.
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Coordinator Requirements
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Local Policies may increase the service requirements of local
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coordinators. A local policy may be put into place that requires
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the local host to provide OUTBOUND services, by its own example.
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This creates Gordian knots that are too convoluted for me to even
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think about. It sounds to me like only rich white men might be
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allowed to be coordinators.
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FidoNews 8-13 Page 7 1 Apr 1991
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What happens if a net sets up requirements that cannot be
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attained or sustained?
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Elimination of FidoNews Requirement
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The tyranny of the majority strikes again.
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While diffs may be all we need to technically operate, FidoNews
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conveys the spirit. Or it did, until WorldPol made it optional.
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Further, since the "eliminate FidoNews" option seems to run up
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the chain, it appears to me that 51% of a ZONE could decide the
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other 49% are on their own with regards to FidoNews.
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If FidoNews is the official newsletter of FidoNet, how are
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official notices to be made to those areas that decide they don't
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need FidoNews? Is Policy6 going to be distributed in the
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nodediff? And are the coordinators going to distribute a
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discussion about Policy6 in the diffs? Or are we going to create
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mandatory echomail conferences? And if we do the latter, what
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happens to those folk that want to use GroupMail? Or those folk
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who are in the net for their own reasons, and neither support nor
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desire echomail?
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Unanimous Election of IC
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The IC must be selected unanimously by the ZC's and is removed by
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a majority. Once again, what means majority - majority of those
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voting, or absolute majority? And what happens when (not if) the
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ZC's can't come to unanimous agreement on an IC?
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Changing the Defaults
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WorldPol changes the defaults wholesale. While this may or may
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not be a good idea, it has to be carefully considered.
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The main example of this is the selection of *C's. Where before
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the default was by appointment, now it is by election.
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Transitional Problems
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WorldPol declares existing Policy to be in effect where WorldPol
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is not specific and local policy has not yet evolved. Granted,
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the problem of transition will be encountered with any drastic
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restructuring of Policy. However, this water seems awfully cold
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and deep to me.
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FidoNews 8-13 Page 8 1 Apr 1991
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Let's use geography as an example. I would guess the authors
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might argue that the "geography exception rules" of P4 are still
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in effect under WorldPol. From my perspective, that's not how it
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reads, and given some experience with Policy complaints, I know
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MANY will argue the other side. WorldPol states that geography
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is no longer a criteria, therefore, clauses relating to it in
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subordinate Policies are invalid.
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Not Final And Yet We're Voting On It
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This is the most amusing statement in the whole document. It
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goes well out of its way to say "This isn't the real thing" and
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yet we are voting on it.
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There appears to be one whole line missing from the version in
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FidoNews, as well as numerous syntactic problems. Are we voting
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on what was in FidoNews, or what the authors intend? Excuse me,
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but I'd rather vote on something concrete, not intentions. It's
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not that I question the intentions of the authors - it's that
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I've learned how the best intentions can be abused by others.
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Answers
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I don't claim to have all (or even any) of the answers to these
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problems.
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During the last great IFNA election, there was some development
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of a Policy structure, I believe by John Roberts and others, that
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made a lot of sense to me.
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Rather than dividing Policy along geographic lines, it was
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structured along functional lines. Sub-Policies related to
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specific problems, not localities.
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As I said earlier, the most important suggestion I can make is to
|
||
carefully define the problems people feel need solving, determine
|
||
which ones really are problems, and pick a very small number of
|
||
them to try to solve. To me, it seems the most fundamental
|
||
problem is the structure of Policy as opposed to the Policy
|
||
itself.
|
||
|
||
Finally, the authors of WorldPol, after spending some time
|
||
studying history, should follow the basic rules of Boston driving
|
||
while developing Policy. When you drive in Boston, you look at a
|
||
situation, and determine what is in the selfish interest of each
|
||
of the drivers in that situation. It doesn't matter if the light
|
||
is red for the other guy, or if you have the right of way, or
|
||
that it doesn't make sense to pull into the oncoming lane to make
|
||
a turn. If it makes sense for that selfish SOB to do any of
|
||
those things to get where he's going quickly, he will do them.
|
||
So long as you drive with that in mind, you'll avoid a great
|
||
number of accidents. (Note carefully I didn't say all, because
|
||
it's impossible for a logical mind to comprehend just how
|
||
illogical some people can be.)
|
||
FidoNews 8-13 Page 9 1 Apr 1991
|
||
|
||
|
||
In the case of Policy, what makes sense to the authors CANNOT
|
||
merely be assumed or implied, because if there's any nebulous
|
||
wording, it can, and will be used against all of us in a Policy
|
||
dispute.
|
||
|
||
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|
||
FidoNews 8-13 Page 10 1 Apr 1991
|
||
|
||
|
||
Fred Niemczenia
|
||
Fidonet 1:371/7
|
||
|
||
An Experimental Election in Region 18
|
||
|
||
It is hard to believe that it was barely a month ago when Region
|
||
18 elected a new Regional EchoMail Coordinator. I've delayed
|
||
publishing, so as not to interfere with the recent ZEC 1
|
||
election. Amnon Nissan is a candidate.
|
||
|
||
The last year has been exciting for the democracy proponents in
|
||
FidoNet. I think we all agree that elected coordinators command
|
||
more respect than anointees. February 1990 was a significant
|
||
month in Region 18. Our REC decided to step down after doing a
|
||
fantastic job for three years. He was unfortunately anointed to
|
||
the position after a previous election had been invalidated by
|
||
the zone coordinating structure. I won't mention names! That
|
||
is in the past. Amnon Nissan wanted a fair election for his
|
||
replacement. He kept his word.
|
||
|
||
The election was defined as all current NEC's having one vote for
|
||
two willing and able candidates: Steve Cross and Dave Corthell.
|
||
Some of us questioned the process whereby only the NEC's could
|
||
vote. I argued that a popular vote would represent the
|
||
individual SysOps' wishes AND would eliminate the unfair
|
||
advantage that a small net has over a large net in voting. The
|
||
cry was One NODE, One Vote vs. One NET, One Vote.
|
||
|
||
Well, the decision had already been made. I offered a
|
||
compromise. Why not conduct an experimental popular election as
|
||
well? For the first time we could all see if it really makes a
|
||
difference. Amnon thought it a fantastic idea. It would need
|
||
two separate impartial vote counters. Ben Mann (RC18) would
|
||
collect the One NET, One Vote and I would collect the popular
|
||
vote. The individual NEC's would collect SysOp votes, and
|
||
forward copies to Ben and myself. The following ballot went out
|
||
via NetMail and EchoMail:
|
||
|
||
Dear Network Echomail Coordinator,
|
||
|
||
Our REC, Amnon Nissan has endorsed an experiment to allow the
|
||
tabulating of the raw node votes in the Region 18 REC
|
||
elections. This has the approval of the Zone and Region
|
||
Coordinators. The intent is to demonstrate if any difference
|
||
exists between the following methods:
|
||
|
||
(a) A network tabulation where a network has ONE vote. This is
|
||
referred to as ONE NET, ONE VOTE.
|
||
(b) A network tabulation where the raw vote is counted and
|
||
processed. This is called ONE NODE, ONE VOTE.
|
||
|
||
FidoNews 8-13 Page 11 1 Apr 1991
|
||
|
||
|
||
Only method (a) is binding. Method (b) is experimental. An
|
||
additional comment is required. If you not wish to have your
|
||
net's vote published, your report will be tabulated in a LUMP
|
||
count with other nets not wishing to be individually listed. I
|
||
do need your response for method (b). Send (a) to Ben Mann.
|
||
The findings will be published in FidoNews.
|
||
--------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
Region 18 experimental REC election. Password:______
|
||
NET:______ Dave Corthell:_____ Steve Cross: _____
|
||
Abstain:_____ Fill in the actual numbers of raw votes. e.g.
|
||
17, 15, 3. I do [ ] don't [ ] want the raw vote
|
||
published.
|
||
--------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
|
||
The following is a list of Nets responding to the Region 18
|
||
Experimental Ballot. Where a DON'T PUBLISH request was made,
|
||
the NET is identified by the password. Where no preference is
|
||
indicated, I publish it. I hope we will generate some meaningful
|
||
statistics for FidoNews. Special thanks to those responding!
|
||
|
||
NET or No. of Dave Steve
|
||
PASSWORD NODES CORTHELL CROSS ABSTAIN PUBLISH
|
||
|
||
Shorty 15 7 0 1 N
|
||
bihs 13 2 0 12 N +
|
||
Albhosmor 8 4 1 2 N
|
||
DHARMA 41 9 1 1 N
|
||
112 22 3 7 0 Y
|
||
123 47 1 27 0 NP &
|
||
151 83 10 3 - NP
|
||
360 9 6 0 4 Y +
|
||
361 15 7 1 5 Y
|
||
362 35 6 1 0 NP
|
||
363 64 7 7 - Y
|
||
369 35 7 3 23 Y
|
||
371 20 11 0 4 Y
|
||
372 37 4 0 28 Y
|
||
376 23 1 0 21 NP +
|
||
3600 4 3 0 1 Y
|
||
3601 12 9 1 0 NP
|
||
3602 8 4 0 4 Y
|
||
3604 10 - - - NP *
|
||
3612 11 9 0 2 Y
|
||
3615 8 3 0 0 NP &
|
||
3617 7 4 0 1 Y
|
||
3620 4 5 0 0 NP +
|
||
====== ===== ===== ===== =====
|
||
23 Nets 531 122 52 109
|
||
|
||
Miscellany: 28 of 48 NECs reported OFFICIAL results to Ben Mann.
|
||
OFFICIAL results were 24 (86%) Corthell and 4 (14%) for Cross.
|
||
Popular results were 70% Corthell and 30% Cross. There are 942
|
||
eligible nodes in Region 18. It would appear 44% were denied
|
||
participation by their coordinators.
|
||
FidoNews 8-13 Page 12 1 Apr 1991
|
||
|
||
|
||
* Refused to participate in experiment, but returned ONE NET,
|
||
ONE VOTE preference.
|
||
+ Denotes anomaly, but the vote was counted. My baseline was
|
||
the nodelist before elections. Host and Hub entries were
|
||
not entitled dual voting.
|
||
& Denotes last minute update.
|
||
|
||
What did this experiment prove? I noted 2 significant items.
|
||
Perhaps you will note other items from the raw data above?
|
||
|
||
(1) Apathy is as much a problem in FidoNet as in the real world.
|
||
It seems that once the battle for democracy is over, folks
|
||
just don't care to participate.
|
||
(2) The coordinating structure can't be relied on to collect
|
||
votes. Only 58 percent reported official results to Ben
|
||
Mann and 48 percent reported experimental data to me. How
|
||
can a SysOp participate if a mechanism isn't in place for
|
||
them to learn of the issues or respond to.
|
||
|
||
I think it is imperative that the candidates themselves poll
|
||
nodes and encourage participation. No one else will do it. That
|
||
was been proved again and again and again...
|
||
|
||
Amnon Nissan, Ben Mann, and myself had one heck of a time trying
|
||
to figure out who the actual NEC's were. Many Region 18 Net
|
||
Coordinators aren't putting in the UNEC flags. Come on guys!
|
||
Get it right! I think all coordinators need to review their
|
||
segments manually at least 6 times a year. An NEC from a
|
||
different region may want to establish a non-backbone echo. The
|
||
U flags are important.
|
||
|
||
We need to establish a realistic vote counting mechanism. Too
|
||
many things are getting lost between the Region Coordinator and
|
||
the individual SysOp. I know the guys at the top are interested,
|
||
but middle management is not participating in many cases. Let's
|
||
fix another cause of apathy.
|
||
|
||
Feel free to respond to Fred Niemczenia at 1:371/7.
|
||
|
||
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
FidoNews 8-13 Page 13 1 Apr 1991
|
||
|
||
|
||
Volker Manns
|
||
FidoNet 1:358/0
|
||
|
||
+---------------------------------------------------+
|
||
I Sister Nets - EchoMail with a different flavor! I
|
||
+---------------------------------------------------+
|
||
|
||
Ever since joining FidoNet, I have been fascinated with the
|
||
concept of EchoMail. It is a truly universal medium to
|
||
exchange ideas, meet and get to know different people and
|
||
cultures with all their ideals and beliefs.
|
||
|
||
It does not matter whether you're black or white, male or
|
||
female, handicapped or not. EchoMail does not discriminate.
|
||
|
||
I went back to Germany last fall (born and raised there),
|
||
and met with people who had never seen me before, yet were
|
||
willing to treat me with friendship and hospitality because
|
||
we wrote some messages back and forth, enjoying each others
|
||
company from afar.
|
||
You have to experience this to truly appreciate it.
|
||
|
||
Every Net has their own Echo areas, some as a pre-determined
|
||
minimum requirement in joining the Net (designed to act as
|
||
an info-pool for the Net), others optional as SIGs for
|
||
particular areas of interest within their area. Some of the
|
||
latter may then grow into nationally or internationally
|
||
distributed echoes. The system works well.
|
||
|
||
I would like to take the local Echo area idea a bit further:
|
||
|
||
By mutual choice of two reasonably compatible cities (or
|
||
Nets), mostly determined by their size (userbase), I suggest
|
||
a shared Echo area for the sole use of these two cities
|
||
(Nets). This would be on an intercontinental (inter-zonal?)
|
||
basis, not national or state to state. (After all, national
|
||
stuff is covered to exhaustion by the news media...)
|
||
|
||
Yes, there are MAJOR logistical problems:
|
||
|
||
1. Language.
|
||
|
||
However, as I read the international Echoes, English seems
|
||
to prevail anyhow, everyone seems to adopt and overcome this
|
||
obstacle in some form.
|
||
|
||
2. Cost.
|
||
|
||
Can a Net containing 10 nodes afford to send messages across
|
||
the pond via modem? High speed modems seem a must, but two
|
||
minutes of connect from Canada to Europe are still in the
|
||
$3.00 plus range. Considering 30 days to a month, Nets and
|
||
users splitting costs, that would come to $2.25 per sysop
|
||
(using the above hypothetical example).
|
||
Would this be acceptable? You tell me.
|
||
|
||
FidoNews 8-13 Page 14 1 Apr 1991
|
||
|
||
|
||
3. Interest.
|
||
|
||
It's tough enough getting an entire Net to agree on
|
||
something as silly as a poll schedule, let alone an
|
||
international Echo connect. Can a majority vote decide on
|
||
this? That hardly seems fair. But I think if everyone
|
||
understands the concept, it'd be a worthwhile effort for all
|
||
involved and will therefore find acceptance in a lot of
|
||
Nets. The fewer the number of nodes, the easier the decision
|
||
I guess...
|
||
|
||
So where do I start?
|
||
|
||
Well, I decided that the Snooze would be as good a place as
|
||
any. I'd like to organize a pool of interested Nets in Zone
|
||
1 and at the same time encourage the formation of similar
|
||
pools in the other Zones. From there we could play
|
||
matchmaker and interested Nets could figure out their
|
||
individual details from there.
|
||
|
||
I do not know what looms on the WORLDPOL or ECHOPOL horizon,
|
||
or how new policies may affect, hinder or prohibit such an
|
||
undertaking. I just happen to think that it's a good idea
|
||
that should be pursued.
|
||
|
||
Your comments and ideas on this are welcome and appreciated,
|
||
I would like to hear from all interested Nets and Zones.
|
||
|
||
Kind regards,
|
||
|
||
Volker Manns
|
||
NC - 1:358/0
|
||
|
||
|
||
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
FidoNews 8-13 Page 15 1 Apr 1991
|
||
|
||
|
||
Jack Decker
|
||
1:154/8 Fidonet
|
||
|
||
A Few Comments on WorldPol
|
||
|
||
Past issues of Fidonews have contained a lot of carping about
|
||
WorldPol. What I'd like to know is, where were all the
|
||
complainers during the formulation of WorldPol? I recall
|
||
comments on WorldPol being solicited on several occasions, and
|
||
apparently most of the complainers weren't interested enough to
|
||
send their comments in to the group working on WorldPol. This,
|
||
of course, is the great Fidonet tradition... let someone else
|
||
do all the work and then flame the **** (insert expletive of
|
||
choice here) out of them when the final proposal is presented.
|
||
|
||
I had some reservations about earlier versions, too, but I sent
|
||
a netmail message containing some of my problems with the
|
||
document. I got a rather thoughtful response from Pablo which
|
||
indicated that my comments had at least been considered. No, I
|
||
didn't get everything I asked for, but at least you and I was
|
||
given the opportunity to help shape this document, which is
|
||
more than we can say about a lot of previous efforts.
|
||
|
||
Now to the bottom line: Maybe it's not perfect, but is it
|
||
better than Policy 4? This sort of reminds me of the old
|
||
backhanded insult: "You're smarter than you look, but then
|
||
you'd have to be!" Almost anything written by reasonable
|
||
people would have to be better than Policy 4, in my opinion.
|
||
In particular, WorldPol does two things that are long needed:
|
||
|
||
1) It extends the right to vote on later versions of Policy
|
||
down to the average sysop. Now, I've heard a lot of people
|
||
complain that the logistics of such a vote would be a
|
||
nightmare. When someone says that, I have to wonder what their
|
||
real motives for opposing it are. C'mon, people, if you're in
|
||
Fidonet you have a computer, and computers are real good at
|
||
counting things. Consider a municipal election in a city that
|
||
has maybe 10,000 voters (this would be a small city by American
|
||
standards). Usually what happens is that each precinct tallies
|
||
up the votes for their precinct, then sends the results to a
|
||
central place that receives and tallies the vote counts from
|
||
each precinct. We do the same thing in Fidonet, except we
|
||
subdivide the work even further - the NC counts the votes from
|
||
his net and forwards them to the RC, which takes the vote
|
||
totals from his region and forwards them to the ZC, and so on.
|
||
We've conducted several elections this way in Zone 1, and apart
|
||
from those few die-hards who've never liked the idea of giving
|
||
the average sysop any say in how Fidonet is run, I've heard few
|
||
complaints about the election process.
|
||
|
||
2) It puts an end to certain geographic restrictions in
|
||
Fidonet. Unfortunately, this is the one thing that may kill
|
||
it, since only NC's (and above) are allowed to vote on it, and
|
||
there are still many NC's out there who, in their own little
|
||
black hearts, like the idea of being able to force sysops (and
|
||
potential sysops) in a given geographic area to deal with them
|
||
FidoNews 8-13 Page 16 1 Apr 1991
|
||
|
||
|
||
and them alone. One of the key features of a democratic
|
||
organization is that you are free to join any branch of the
|
||
organization that you wish. I know of no organization in the
|
||
"real world" (other than those connected with various levels of
|
||
government, and Fidonet certainly isn't part of the
|
||
government!) that require people to deal only with one
|
||
particular branch or office based solely on their place of
|
||
residence (I DO know of one religious organization that
|
||
insisted that members attend only the group "serving" their
|
||
particular neighborhood, but this group also tried to control
|
||
many other aspects of their members' lives, including where
|
||
they should live and whether or not they should date or
|
||
marry!).
|
||
|
||
We need only look to UseNet, which is MUCH larger than Fidonet,
|
||
to prove that an electronic mail and conference network can be
|
||
fully functional without giving considerations to geography.
|
||
Geographic restrictions are particularly inappropriate in the
|
||
United States, where differing tariffs for intrastate and
|
||
interstate calls can cause toll calls within one's home state
|
||
to be priced at a much higher rate than calls to a neighboring
|
||
state (it costs more to call a place 200 miles away in my home
|
||
state than to call a place 2,000 mile away elsewhere in the
|
||
U.S.).
|
||
|
||
It is my hope that *C's will ask themselves, if I were a sysop,
|
||
would I want a vote on policies that will affect my hobby?
|
||
Would I want the freedom to associate (or to NOT associate)
|
||
with whomever I please, or would I want to be forced to be part
|
||
of a particular group based solely on the place I happen to
|
||
live at?
|
||
|
||
When we were being asked to vote for Policy 4, we were told
|
||
"it's not perfect but it least it has some mechanism to allow a
|
||
vote on future policies, and it can be changed later." Well,
|
||
later is now. Policy 5 isn't perfect (and if you are waiting
|
||
for a perfect policy, it may be a long time in coming) but it
|
||
IS better than Policy 4. Yes, it's a bit vague in spots but so
|
||
are present policies. Yes, it should be modified to give more
|
||
consideration for points and point-ops, but when the average
|
||
sysop is allowed to vote on future policies, I think you will
|
||
see policies that give more consideration to points.
|
||
|
||
If we are waiting for the PERFECT policy document, we may have
|
||
a long wait! But, we should ask ourselves whether the proposed
|
||
document is better than what we have now. The main effect of
|
||
the proposed policy is to bring more democracy to Fidonet and
|
||
to lessen the adverse impact that the few in *C positions can
|
||
have on the many who are in Fidonet, which still maintaining
|
||
enough control to keep the mail flowing smoothly, and allowing
|
||
for local policies that might be needed to address unusual
|
||
local conditions.
|
||
|
||
FidoNews 8-13 Page 17 1 Apr 1991
|
||
|
||
|
||
Let's look upon WorldPol not as the final document with which
|
||
we'll have to live for the next 20 years, but as one more step
|
||
along the road to a fully democratic Fidonet. It's not
|
||
perfect, but it's a good policy and one that we can build upon
|
||
in the future.
|
||
|
||
|
||
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
FidoNews 8-13 Page 18 1 Apr 1991
|
||
|
||
|
||
Holdyer Horses
|
||
e:pi/lambda.nu
|
||
Another Top Ten List
|
||
|
||
The Category
|
||
|
||
Given WorldPol, it's possible to have your own little social
|
||
clubs for nets. Here's a list of new nets just waiting for
|
||
WorldPol's adoption so they can rise phoenix like from the ashes
|
||
of that awful, mean, nasty, old Policy4.
|
||
|
||
From the Home Office in Wausau, Wisconsin:
|
||
|
||
Top 10 New Local Networks Possible Under WorldPol
|
||
(Anton, a drum roll please!)
|
||
|
||
10 FastNet - 9600 Only
|
||
|
||
|
||
9 NeXTNet - Only REAL Computers, not clowns (er-clones)
|
||
|
||
|
||
8 NerdNet - Show your pocket protector at the door
|
||
|
||
|
||
7 WitchNet - Applications accepted only via crystal ball.
|
||
|
||
|
||
6 ScumbagNet - Only Barristers Need Apply
|
||
|
||
|
||
5 NumerologyNet - Phone numbers must sum to 3
|
||
|
||
|
||
4 BeerNet - Usually served at bars (sorry, that's beer nuts)
|
||
|
||
|
||
3 SkateboardNet - Long Green Hair De Rigeur
|
||
|
||
|
||
2 GeezerNet - Pre-Multinet Nodes Only
|
||
|
||
|
||
1 HoundNet - No Fat Chicks
|
||
|
||
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
FidoNews 8-13 Page 19 1 Apr 1991
|
||
|
||
|
||
Aaron Goldblatt
|
||
1:130/20.1102 FidoNet
|
||
20:491/223.0 MailNet
|
||
|
||
|
||
More Comments on WorldPol
|
||
|
||
I've been hearing a lot about WorldPol v1H recently. In
|
||
FidoNews, in local echos, in other networks, everywhere.
|
||
WorldPol is causing a lot of discussion in my BBS world. And, it
|
||
seems, a lot of apprehension. In FidoNews 811 I brought out my
|
||
problems as related to WorldPol's treatment of pointops, so I
|
||
won't do that again in the detail I have previously.
|
||
|
||
With the realization that I may soon have to live under POLICY5
|
||
I feel it's my responsability to air my views or give up the
|
||
right to complain about the results (I hold that those who do
|
||
not vote in civil elections have no right to gripe about those
|
||
elected . . . in this instance I'm not allowed to vote but I feel
|
||
I still have to air my views).
|
||
|
||
I printed hard copies of FidoNews 810, 811, and 812 to take a
|
||
look. So here we go. :-)
|
||
|
||
---
|
||
There is no clause in WorldPol requiring geographic/technical
|
||
networks, which is what we have now. Upon the adoption of
|
||
WorldPol that clause will be grandfathered into the Zone
|
||
policies. But when the grandfathering is defeated by the
|
||
adoption of Zone policies (and it will happen, I assure you) we
|
||
will really have a mess on our hands. Here's one likely
|
||
scenario.
|
||
|
||
A pointop sets up his own BBS. While he was a pointop he
|
||
established a reputation of being a nasty twit. He applies to
|
||
his local network and is denied for whatever reason. But he
|
||
DOES meet the FTSC requirements for holding a node address and
|
||
has not previously engaged in any Annoying or Excessively
|
||
Annoying Behavior. He can't afford the long distance charges
|
||
to join another network and so is denied access to FidoNet,
|
||
not because he is incapable of running a reliable system or
|
||
engaged in EAB, but because the NC (or whomever) doesn't like
|
||
him.
|
||
|
||
In the above scenario the NC doesn't issue an address because
|
||
s/he knows that the pointop can apply to another network where
|
||
his reputation isn't known. But he also knows that the pointop
|
||
can't afford the LD charges of communicating with his network,
|
||
and so is denied complete access to FidoNet.
|
||
|
||
But with geographic/technical-only networks there is no reason
|
||
for the NC not to issue an address - the sysop is just obnoxious
|
||
but hasn't been declared EA by anybody (including the NC). The
|
||
variations on this theme are almost infinate. So much for that.
|
||
---
|
||
|
||
FidoNews 8-13 Page 20 1 Apr 1991
|
||
|
||
|
||
---
|
||
There is much hubbub about the new rights of "grunt sysops" to
|
||
vote. Giving the normal sysops the vote is great and wonderful.
|
||
But it presents some logistical problems to those counting votes.
|
||
|
||
The vagueness with which WorldPol 1H speaks of elections and
|
||
procedures can lead to the idea that, without an election policy
|
||
at the Zone level (and there is no gurantee that one will come
|
||
about), the ZC will be left counting votes and doing verification
|
||
of eligibility. And in the unlikely event that each voting
|
||
sysop carries the election echo vote verification could take
|
||
forever.
|
||
|
||
WorldPol's refrence to "western standards" is really strange,
|
||
because the "western standard" by which you judge elections is
|
||
different depending on what country you're in. According to many
|
||
in the United States, the system of elections used in Israel
|
||
(generally regarded as a democratic country) is crazy.
|
||
|
||
An ideal system for system of Zone-wide elections (that is, where
|
||
every sysop in a Zone gets a vote) works like this:
|
||
|
||
The sysop at 1:130/2991 sends his vote to 1:130/0. 1:130/0
|
||
counts and verifies all votes he received, and then sends the
|
||
totals to 1:19/0, the RC.
|
||
|
||
The RC totals and verifies the numbers from each net, and
|
||
verifies the votes of any regional independants who choose to
|
||
vote. He then sends the totals to the ZC.
|
||
|
||
The ZC totals and verifies the numbers from each region, and
|
||
then announces the results.
|
||
|
||
With this system electorial advantage of large networks is
|
||
retained while still giving representation to small networks. In
|
||
Zone-level elections the advantage of large networks is minimized
|
||
anyway since the likelyhood of every member of the largest
|
||
networks in a Zone all voting the same way is somewhere between
|
||
zero and nil.
|
||
|
||
But who knows what could come out in election procedures adopted
|
||
after WorldPol. Suppose, for instance, that Zone 1's policy does
|
||
not set up election procedures. Each of the 10 Regions in Zone 1
|
||
then must come up with an election policy, and there is no
|
||
telling what they might be. And then what about that Zone-wide
|
||
election for which there is no procedure? And how about the
|
||
idea that Region 1:19 doesn't come up with an election policy,
|
||
either, then each of the 32 networks has to come up with one, and
|
||
given the way in which each net does its business, there's no
|
||
telling what might happen.
|
||
|
||
FidoNews 8-13 Page 21 1 Apr 1991
|
||
|
||
|
||
The solution? How about a policy that spells out exactly what
|
||
happens during an election? Simple enough...
|
||
---
|
||
|
||
---
|
||
Those are my biggest gripes. There are others, such as language,
|
||
or I've already covered them in my article in FidoNews 811.
|
||
|
||
This is just an effort to influence the voting on a policy over
|
||
which I have no control or say and had no input in writing.
|
||
|
||
Take this and other articles, posts, and converstaions into
|
||
consideration when you vote. If you vote.
|
||
|
||
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
FidoNews 8-13 Page 22 1 Apr 1991
|
||
|
||
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
COLUMNS
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
|
||
Henry Clark
|
||
1:124/6120
|
||
|
||
|
||
Interactive Video -
|
||
|
||
I just got back from Supercomm '91 in Houston. It's an
|
||
exhibition of TelCo products ranging from line splicing tools
|
||
to SONET cross connects. I saw very little ISDN and quite a
|
||
lot of 'fiber to the home'. I think you might be interested.
|
||
|
||
You use a modem, and you have an analog phone system in your
|
||
house. Down at your neighborhood switch box, these analog
|
||
signals are converted to digital signals. This bit rate is
|
||
called the T0 rate; it's about 64 Kbps ( bits per second ).
|
||
ISDN proposes to connect you with 2 T0 digital links plus a 16
|
||
Kbps data link ( the 2T Plus D ).
|
||
|
||
After adding some overhead to a T0 signal for diagnostic and
|
||
management purposes, a DS0 format is generated, and this is the
|
||
basic rate for most transmission systems used today. For
|
||
transport purposes, 24 DS0 signals are bundled together to form
|
||
a DS1 signal format. This is the signal passed between your
|
||
neighborhood box to the TelCo Central Office ( that big
|
||
building with no windows ! ).
|
||
|
||
Bundling 28 DS1s together ( with more overhead channels ) gives
|
||
you a DS3 rate, and that is trunk level signal that is passed
|
||
between major switching stations, large corporations and long
|
||
distance phone companies.
|
||
|
||
Backtracking a little, DS0 is 64 Kbps, DS1 is 1.5 Mbps ( million
|
||
bits per second ) and DS3 is 45 Mbps. A new international
|
||
standard called SONET provides a basic signal level called
|
||
STS-1 and this is a 50 Mbps. While the DSx formats are
|
||
asynchronous signals, the STS-1 is a synchronous signal. Given
|
||
the base of DS3 equipment, there are several vendors of DS3 to
|
||
STS-1 conversion units.
|
||
|
||
Continuing with ever faster rates, SONET defines the OC-3 rate
|
||
( 3 STS-1 signals ) for 150 Mbps. OC stands for Optical
|
||
Circuit. And of course there is the OC-12, OC-24 and OC-48
|
||
rates; OC-48 being 2.4 Gigabits per second. Now lets put all
|
||
this in perspective.
|
||
|
||
The fiber optic cable being laid in the ground today will carry
|
||
at a maximum ONE OC-48 signal. For example, the entire Florida
|
||
backbone is carried on 6 fibers. The typical maximum for
|
||
buried fiber is 40 strands. These 40 OC-48s can represent
|
||
almost 1.3 million active phone calls, or 1920 full motion
|
||
digital video signals. Clearly an insufficient amount of
|
||
bandwidth to put two-way video into every home. Not enough,
|
||
FidoNews 8-13 Page 23 1 Apr 1991
|
||
|
||
|
||
even if the bandwidth is increased by 1000 times.
|
||
|
||
There are currently three types of digital video transmission
|
||
formats, with different compression algorithms, even at the
|
||
same rate. The most common, highest quality is the 45 Mbps or
|
||
DS3 rate. The coder/decoder ( codex is analogous to modem ) is
|
||
the least expensive, but as we can see from the above DS3
|
||
descriptions, the transport bandwidth is the most expensive.
|
||
|
||
The least used is 1.5 Mbps. Growing fast for commercial usage
|
||
in video conferencing is the dual 56 kbps format. While the
|
||
codex units are very expensive, the transport media is simply
|
||
two phone lines. The problem with this format is that it only
|
||
operates at about 3 frames per second. ( Broadcast quality is
|
||
33 Fps. ) This low quality video is unsuitable for most uses.
|
||
The accepted theory is that the codex for good quality dual T0
|
||
video is five years away.
|
||
|
||
Why do I mention video ? Well, what else is there ? We have
|
||
voice and data. You have probably transferred a GIF or a FLI,
|
||
which are the still and animated equivalents of photographs.
|
||
Video is the last frontier for image transmission for this
|
||
decade, anyway.
|
||
|
||
Another reason to mention video transmission is the television
|
||
cable industry, which is now beginning to DIE. You've heard of
|
||
junk bonds. Cable companies were heavily financed by junk
|
||
bonds, and now it's time for them to start paying up. As a
|
||
result, you see service prices rising, and growing complaints
|
||
from consumers. The accepted theory is that TelCos will have
|
||
permission to offer video in five years.
|
||
|
||
Given the current technology, this permission will prove nearly
|
||
useless in the implementation of interactive video. Broadcast
|
||
video, maybe, but interactive only in local areas. Any
|
||
improvements in video compression will be too expensive for the
|
||
home owner. Next time I'll outline the different methods in use
|
||
today for interactive television.
|
||
|
||
|
||
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
FidoNews 8-13 Page 24 1 Apr 1991
|
||
|
||
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
LATEST VERSIONS
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
|
||
Latest Software Versions
|
||
|
||
MS-DOS Systems
|
||
--------------
|
||
|
||
Bulletin Board Software
|
||
Name Version Name Version Name Version
|
||
|
||
DMG 2.93 Phoenix 1.3 TAG 2.5g
|
||
Fido 12s+ QuickBBS 2.66 TBBS 2.1
|
||
GSBBS 3.02 RBBS 17.3B TComm/TCommNet 3.4
|
||
Lynx 1.30 RBBSmail 17.3B Telegard 2.5
|
||
Kitten 2.16 RemoteAccess 1.00* TPBoard 6.1
|
||
Maximus 1.02 SLBBS 1.77A Wildcat! 2.55
|
||
Opus 1.14+ Socrates 1.10 WWIV 4.12
|
||
PCBoard 14.5 XBBS 1.15
|
||
|
||
Network Node List Other
|
||
Mailers Version Utilities Version Utilities Version
|
||
|
||
BinkleyTerm 2.40 EditNL 4.00 ARC 7.0
|
||
D'Bridge 1.30 MakeNL 2.31 ARCAsim 2.30
|
||
Dutchie 2.90C ParseList 1.30 ARCmail 2.07
|
||
FrontDoor 1.99c Prune 1.40 ConfMail 4.00
|
||
PRENM 1.47 SysNL 3.14 Crossnet v1.5
|
||
SEAdog 4.60* XlatList 2.90 DOMAIN 1.42
|
||
TIMS 1.0(Mod8) XlaxDiff 2.35 EMM 2.02
|
||
XlaxNode 2.35 4Dog/4DMatrix 1.18
|
||
Gmail 2.05
|
||
GROUP 2.16
|
||
GUS 1.30
|
||
HeadEdit 1.15
|
||
InterPCB 1.31
|
||
LHARC 2.10
|
||
MSG 4.1
|
||
MSGED 2.06
|
||
MSGTOSS 1.3
|
||
Oliver 1.0a
|
||
PK[UN]ZIP 1.20
|
||
QM 1.0
|
||
QSORT 4.03
|
||
Sirius 1.0x
|
||
SLMAIL 1.36
|
||
StarLink 1.01
|
||
TagMail 2.41
|
||
TCOMMail 2.2
|
||
Telemail 1.27
|
||
FidoNews 8-13 Page 25 1 Apr 1991
|
||
|
||
|
||
TMail 1.15
|
||
TPBNetEd 3.2
|
||
TosScan 1.00
|
||
UFGATE 1.03
|
||
XRS 4.10*
|
||
XST 2.2
|
||
ZmailH 1.14
|
||
|
||
|
||
OS/2 Systems
|
||
------------
|
||
|
||
Bulletin Board Software Network Mailers Other Utilities
|
||
|
||
Name Version Name Version Name Version
|
||
|
||
Maximus-CBCS 1.02 BinkleyTerm 2.40 Parselst 1.32
|
||
ConfMail 4.00
|
||
EchoStat 6.0
|
||
oMMM 1.52
|
||
Omail 3.1
|
||
MsgEd 2.06
|
||
MsgLink 1.0C
|
||
MsgNum 4.14
|
||
LH2 0.50
|
||
PK[UN]ZIP 1.02
|
||
ARC2 6.00
|
||
PolyXARC 2.00
|
||
Qsort 2.1
|
||
Raid 1.0
|
||
Remapper 1.2
|
||
Tick 2.0
|
||
VPurge 2.07
|
||
|
||
|
||
Xenix/Unix
|
||
----------
|
||
|
||
BBS Software Mailers Other Utilities
|
||
Name Version Name Version Name Version
|
||
|
||
BinkleyTerm 2.30b Unzip 3.10
|
||
ARC 5.21
|
||
ParseLst 1.30b
|
||
ConfMail 3.31b
|
||
Ommm 1.40b
|
||
Msged 1.99b
|
||
Zoo 2.01
|
||
C-Lharc 1.00
|
||
Omail 1.00b
|
||
|
||
FidoNews 8-13 Page 26 1 Apr 1991
|
||
|
||
|
||
Apple II
|
||
----------
|
||
|
||
Bulletin Board Software Network Mailers Other Utilities
|
||
|
||
Name Version Name Version Name Version
|
||
|
||
GBBS Pro 2.1 Fruity Dog 1.0 ShrinkIt 3.2
|
||
DDBBS + 4.0 ShrinkIt GS 1.04
|
||
deARC2e 2.1
|
||
ProSel 8.65
|
||
|
||
|
||
Apple CP/M
|
||
----------
|
||
|
||
Bulletin Board Software Network Mailers Other Utilities
|
||
|
||
Name Version Name Version Name Version
|
||
|
||
Daisy v2j Daisy Mailer 0.38 Nodecomp 0.37
|
||
MsgUtil 2.5
|
||
PackUser v4
|
||
Filer v2-D
|
||
UNARC.COM 1.20
|
||
|
||
|
||
Macintosh
|
||
---------
|
||
|
||
Bulletin Board Software Network Mailers Other Utilities
|
||
|
||
Name Version Name Version Name Version
|
||
|
||
Red Ryder Host 2.1 Tabby 2.2 MacArc 0.04
|
||
Mansion 7.15 Copernicus 1.0 ArcMac 1.3
|
||
WWIV (Mac) 3.0 LHArc 0.33
|
||
Hermes 1.01 StuffIt Classic 1.6
|
||
FBBS 0.91 Compactor 1.21
|
||
TImport 1.92
|
||
TExport 1.92
|
||
Timestamp 1.6
|
||
Tset 1.3
|
||
Import 3.2
|
||
Export 3.21
|
||
Sundial 3.2
|
||
PreStamp 3.2
|
||
OriginatorII 2.0
|
||
AreaFix 1.6
|
||
Mantissa 3.21
|
||
Zenith 1.5
|
||
FidoNews 8-13 Page 27 1 Apr 1991
|
||
|
||
|
||
Eventmeister 1.0
|
||
TSort 1.0
|
||
Mehitable 2.0
|
||
UNZIP 1.02c
|
||
|
||
Amiga
|
||
-----
|
||
|
||
Bulletin Board Software Network Mailers Other Utilities
|
||
|
||
Name Version Name Version Name Version
|
||
|
||
Paragon 2.082+ BinkleyTerm 1.00 AmigArc 0.23
|
||
TransAmiga 1.05 TrapDoor 1.50 AReceipt 1.5
|
||
WelMat 0.42 booz 1.01
|
||
ConfMail 1.10
|
||
ChameleonEdit 0.10
|
||
ElectricHerald1.66
|
||
Lharc 1.30
|
||
MessageFilter 1.52
|
||
oMMM 1.49b
|
||
ParseLst 1.30
|
||
PkAX 1.00
|
||
PK[UN]ZIP 1.01
|
||
PolyxAmy 2.02
|
||
RMB 1.30
|
||
RoboWriter 1.02
|
||
Skyparse 2.30
|
||
TrapList 1.12
|
||
Yuck! 1.61
|
||
Zippy (Unzip) 1.25
|
||
Zoo 2.01
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
Atari ST/TT
|
||
-----------
|
||
|
||
Bulletin Board Network Node List
|
||
Software Version Mailer Version Utilities Version
|
||
|
||
FIDOdoor/ST 2.12* BinkleyTerm 2.40l* ParseList 1.30
|
||
QuickBBS/ST 1.02 The BOX 1.20 Xlist 1.12
|
||
Pandora BBS 2.41c EchoFix 1.20
|
||
GS Point 0.61 sTICk/Hatch 5.10*
|
||
LED ST 1.00
|
||
MSGED 1.96S
|
||
|
||
Archiver Msg Format Other
|
||
Utilities Version Converters Version Utilities Version
|
||
|
||
FidoNews 8-13 Page 28 1 Apr 1991
|
||
|
||
|
||
LHARC 0.60 TB2BINK 1.00 ConfMail 4.03
|
||
ARC 6.02 BINK2TB 1.00 ComScan 1.02
|
||
PKUNZIP 1.10 FiFo 2.1j* Import 1.14
|
||
OMMM 1.40
|
||
Pack 1.00
|
||
FastPack 1.20
|
||
FDsysgen 2.16
|
||
FDrenum 2.10
|
||
Trenum 0.10
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
Archimedes
|
||
----------
|
||
|
||
BBS Software Mailers Utilities
|
||
Name Version Name Version Name Version
|
||
|
||
ARCbbs 1.44 BinkleyTerm 2.03 Unzip 2.1TH
|
||
ARC 1.03
|
||
!Spark 2.00d
|
||
|
||
ParseLst 1.30
|
||
BatchPacker 1.00
|
||
|
||
|
||
+ Netmail capable (does not require additional mailer software)
|
||
* Recently changed
|
||
|
||
Utility authors: Please help keep this list up to date by
|
||
reporting new versions to 1:1/1. It is not our intent to list
|
||
all utilities here, only those which verge on necessity.
|
||
|
||
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
FidoNews 8-13 Page 29 1 Apr 1991
|
||
|
||
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
NOTICES
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
|
||
The Interrupt Stack
|
||
|
||
|
||
12 May 1991
|
||
Fourth anniversary of FidoNet operations in Latin America and
|
||
second anniversary of the creation of Zone-4.
|
||
|
||
15 Aug 1991
|
||
5th annual Z1 Fido Convention - FidoCon '91 "A New Beginning"
|
||
Sheraton Denver West August 15 through August 18 1991.
|
||
|
||
8 Sep 1991
|
||
25th anniversary of first airing of Star Trek on NBC!
|
||
|
||
7 Oct 1991
|
||
Area code 415 fragments. Alameda and Contra Costa Counties
|
||
will begin using area code 510. This includes Oakland,
|
||
Concord, Berkeley and Hayward. San Francisco, San Mateo,
|
||
Marin, parts of Santa Clara County, and the San Francisco Bay
|
||
Islands will retain area code 415.
|
||
|
||
1 Feb 1992
|
||
Area code 213 fragments. Western, coastal, southern and
|
||
eastern portions of Los Angeles County will begin using area
|
||
code 310. This includes Los Angeles International Airport,
|
||
West Los Angeles, San Pedro and Whittier. Downtown Los
|
||
Angeles and surrounding communities (such as Hollywood and
|
||
Montebello) will retain area code 213.
|
||
|
||
1 Dec 1993
|
||
Tenth anniversary of Fido Version 1 release.
|
||
|
||
5 Jun 1997
|
||
David Dodell's 40th Birthday
|
||
|
||
|
||
If you have something which you would like to see on this
|
||
calendar, please send a message to FidoNet node 1:1/1.
|
||
|
||
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
|
||
Michael Rapp
|
||
FidoNet 1:106/12
|
||
|
||
NASA Space Shuttle Press Kit
|
||
----------------------------
|
||
|
||
FidoNews 8-13 Page 30 1 Apr 1991
|
||
|
||
|
||
This is just a notice to everyone and anyone that USS Vulcanix,
|
||
a BBS specializing in Space & Astronomy, Star Trek, and Science
|
||
Fiction has the latest NASA Shuttle Press Kit available for
|
||
FREQ (File REQuest).
|
||
|
||
What is the Shuttle Press Kit? Well, it's a long ASCII text
|
||
file containing almost anything you'd want to know about a
|
||
shuttle flight. Here's a portion of the table of contents for
|
||
SPACE SHUTTLE MISSION STS-37 (April 1991):
|
||
|
||
SUMMARY OF MAJOR ACTIVITIES
|
||
VEHICLE AND PAYLOAD WEIGHTS
|
||
TRAJECTORY SEQUENCE OF EVENTS
|
||
GAMMA RAY OBSERVATORY
|
||
GREAT OBSERVATORIES
|
||
PROTEIN CRYSTAL GROWTH EXPERIMENT
|
||
SHUTTLE AMATEUR RADIO EXPERIMENT
|
||
ADVANCED SHUTTLE GENERAL PURPOSE COMPUTERS
|
||
RADIATION MONITORING EQUIPMENT-III
|
||
STS-37 CREW BIOGRAPHIES
|
||
STS-37 MISSION MANAGEMENT
|
||
|
||
The file contains some very interesting information, and anyone
|
||
who likes the shuttle will love it. Example: It has a
|
||
day-by-day listing of what happens each day. The magic filename
|
||
to FREQ from my system is STSKIT. This will send you the file
|
||
STS37KIT.ZIP, and it's about 25,000 bytes (zipped).
|
||
|
||
Hope you like it!
|
||
|
||
/*/-=[Michael Rapp]=-/*/
|
||
|
||
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|
||
|
||
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