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Volume 4, Number 37 28 September 1987
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Editor in Chief: Thom Henderson
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Chief Procrastinator Emeritus: Tom Jennings
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Contributing Editors: Dave Lovell, Al Arango
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FidoNews is published weekly by the International FidoNet
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Association as its official newsletter. You are encouraged to
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submit articles for publication in FidoNews. Article submission
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standards are contained in the file ARTSPEC.DOC, available from
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node 1:1/1.
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Copyright 1987 by the International FidoNet Association. All
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rights reserved. Duplication and/or distribution permitted for
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noncommercial purposes only. For use in other circumstances,
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please contact IFNA at (314) 576-4067.
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Table of Contents
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1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
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The Future of FidoNews ................................... 1
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2. ARTICLES ................................................. 3
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International Technical Coordinator Retires .............. 3
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The Tragedy of an On-Line Addiction ...................... 4
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Paying to use Bulletin Boards ............................ 7
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QNX Conference & MultiLine Mania ......................... 9
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The Zones are coming ! ................................... 12
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3. COLUMNS .................................................. 15
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The Regular Irregular Column ............................. 15
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4. NOTICES .................................................. 19
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The Interrupt Stack ...................................... 19
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P/S 2 Compatible Available October 11, 1987 .............. 19
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Latest Software Versions ................................. 20
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FidoNews 4-37 Page 1 28 Sep 1987
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EDITORIAL
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This week's guest editorial is by Randy Edwards, 1:132/555.
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The Future of FidoNews
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Well, the FidoNet convention has come and gone. We now have
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(like it or not) the IFNA Board of Directors in place, committees
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have been set up and the whole apparatus appears to be
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functioning.
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A while back in the infamous SYSOP echo there was a fierce
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debate over FidoNews. The main issue of this debate was the fact
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that FidoNews was declared to be IFNA's official newsletter.
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Many suggested that IFNA make up a new newsletter. Most people
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agreed that the content of FidoNews wouldn't change too much with
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it becoming the official IFNA newsletter.
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Has the FidoNews been changed by it becoming IFNA's official
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newsletter? Should it change more, less, or remain as is?
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Should the policy of "you send it and I'll publish it" be
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changed? Does the FidoNews appeal to the majority of FidoNet
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users?
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These are all legitimate questions. Over the last few
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months I've noticed the many "political" articles that have been
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popping up in the FidoNews in ever increasing numbers. Now it's
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hard to do anything without politics, but do we need to limit
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these in some way - or do we need to encourage more of them?
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After the FidoNet conference I eagerly awaited news of what
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happened at the conference. I wanted to know what went on and
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what was decided. What I got in the FidoNews was the minutes of
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the IFNA meetings. Though I applaud the work of the author of
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the minutes, they lacked the "newsy" feeling that gives
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excitement to the reader. In fact they sort of reminded me of
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the boring memos and policies that I have to read at work. Since
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I had already learned much of what went on at the conference
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through the EchoMail I stopped reading the minutes after a page
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or two and quickly dumped that issue into my text files area.
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Is this the proper place for IFNA to put the minutes of its
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meetings? True, it is a matter which should concern all FidoNet
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Sysops, but wouldn't it be better in a separate IFNA document?
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Perhaps we could replace those minutes with a more eye catching
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article in the FidoNews and give reference to an IFNA document if
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the reader is interested in further reading. Is it proper for
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Tandy Corporation to post press releases in FidoNews making us
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Sysops pay for their advertising?
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Overall, what I'm asking is: Is FidoNews doing its job? Is
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it appealing to all users (that includes USERS and Sysops) of the
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FidoNet? Do we need to modify ARTSPEC.DOC or change the "you
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FidoNews 4-37 Page 2 28 Sep 1987
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send it I'll publish it" policy? Should IFNA have another
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newsletter or bulletin to put out lengthy messages which may not
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interest the majority of users of the FidoNet?
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I think these are important questions. I've always like the
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FidoNews and found it to be one of the real benefits of being in
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the net. I'd hate to see it become a Sysop-only newsletter, or
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for it to drift one way or the other and for it to lose
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readership, or become oriented towards one specific group (other
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than FidoNet users). But it has changed and still is changing -
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let's make sure we know where it's going.
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FidoNews 4-37 Page 3 28 Sep 1987
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ARTICLES
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It is with regret that I announce the Resignation of Ben Baker
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from his positions of Zone 1 Coordinator, Director of IFNA, and
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Vice President - Technical Coordinator.
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Ben has served for over three years as our Technical Coordinator,
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"The Keeper of the Nodelist." During that time not only was he
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one of the main designers of our present routing concepts, but he
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has provided many specialized utilities to automate the nodelist
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handling procedure, has interceded in many problems and squabbles
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dealing with Network concerns (in his position as the
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International Coordinator), and has spent uncountable hours in
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the thankless task of making sure that the Nodelist gets out
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correctly and on time.
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Ben indicated to me that the reason for his decision were complex
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but cited the fact that the emotional fire necessary for the
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tasks he handles had "just burnt out." This has prompted him to
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"Take a sabbatical for a few months" in order to unwind and and
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regenerate.
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Speaking for many, I'm sure that I can wish Ben all the best,
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hope that things work out for him, and look forward to meeting
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him again on the Net.
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One last thing that Ben jokingly said to me was, "Well, here's
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one 'emperor' that they won't have to worry about anymore."
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Although the humor was obvious, there was also a hint of the
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irony that must have been felt during the past year. It is
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unfortunate that a lack of understanding and trust has helped
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contribute to us losing one of our strongest contributors.
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Good luck, Ben, and thanks for everything!
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Don Daniels, President International FidoNet Association
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FidoNews 4-37 Page 4 28 Sep 1987
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= THE TRAGEDY OF AN ON-LINE ADDICTION =
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- by Steve King -
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"Did you know that last month's (expletive) phone bill is over
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$450?" my wife scolded me in her harshest, my-husband-the-child
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voice. "That's more than twice the monthly payment you make for
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that (expletive) computer!" she continued as she escalated to
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screaming.
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"I confess! I confess!" I sobbed. "I'm just an on-line junkie;
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I'm addicted to my modem! I guess I'll just have to join Modems
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Anonymous before I owe my soul to the phone company."
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As a counselor for Modems Anonymous, I hear numerous variations
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of the preceding story every day. That insidious disease, modem
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fever, is exacting a tragically large toll from the cream of our
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society's computer users. Modem-mania is sweeping through the
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very foundations of our country and there seems to be no stopping
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it. This disease (yes, it is a social disease of almost epidemic
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proportions) is becoming such a calamity that soon there's even
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going to be a soap opera about on-line addiction named, "All My
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Modems."
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If you don't already own one of those evil instruments called a
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modem, take warning! Don't even think about buying one. Modem
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fever sets in very quietly; it sneaks up on you and then grabs
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you by the wallet, checkbook or, heaven forbid, credit cards.
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Once you own a modem, you enter the insidious addictive trap by
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"dialing up" a friend who also has a modem. For some strange
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reason, typing messages to each other fascinates you. (Even if it
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is less than 10% of the speed that you can speak the same words
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over a normal voice phone link.) Of course, you make several
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attempts at hooking up before you finally figure out that at
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least one of you must be in the half duplex mode; that discovery
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actually titillates you (sounds impossible, but it's true).
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Then your modem-buddy (friend is too good a term) sows another
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seed on the road to on-line addiction by giving you the number of
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a local BBS (Bulletin Board System). Once you get an BBS phone
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number, you've taken the first fatal step in a journey that can
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only end in on-line addiction.
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After you take the next step by dialing up the the BBS your
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modem-buddy told you about, you find that it's very easy to "log-
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on." This weird form of conversation with an unattended computer
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is strangely exciting, much more so than just typing messages
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when you're on-line with your modem-buddy. The initial bulletins
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scroll by and inform you about the board, but you're too "up" to
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comprehend most of it. Then you read some of the messages in the
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message section and maybe, in a tentative manner, you enter one
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or two of your own. That's fun, but the excitement starts to
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wear off; you're calming down. Thinking that it might be
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worthwhile to go back and re-read the log-on bulletins, you
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return to the main BBS menu.
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FidoNews 4-37 Page 5 28 Sep 1987
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Then it happens. The BBS provides the bait that entices you all
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the way into the fiery hell of modem addiction. As you look at
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the BBS main menu to learn how to return to the log-on bulletins,
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you find an item called FILES. By asking your host computer for
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FILES, you thread the bait onto the hook of corruption; the FILES
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SUBMENU sets the hook. You start running with the line when you
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LIST the files; you leap into the air with the sheer joy of the
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fight when all those public domain program titles and
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descriptions scroll by. They're FREE!!! All you have to do is
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tell the bulletin board to download (transmit) them to you. You
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download your first program and you're landed, in the creel,
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cleaned and ready for the cooking fires. In just 55 minutes
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after you logged-onto the board, you've downloaded six programs,
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one of them is Andrew Fleugelman's PC-Talk, version 3 (truly an
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instrument for evil).
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BBS-LIST.DOC, which is also among the files you downloaded,
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contains a list of a great number of bulletin boards throughout
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the country. (There's evil all around us, constantly tempting
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us!) You print the list and find about 60 RBBS phone numbers.
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(Have mercy on our souls!) The list also gives you the hours of
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operation, communications parameters and informs you about each
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board's specialty. You decide to try PC-Talk and use it to dial-
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up an BBS about three states away. Since the line is busy, you
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pass the time entering all those BBS phone numbers into PC-Talk's
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voluminous dialing directory.
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You try the number again -- still busy. You think, "Hey, there's
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one that specializes in Pascal programs. Maybe I'll try it.
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It's about half-way across the country, but it's after 5pm and
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the phone rates have changed. It won't be too expensive."
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The Pascal board answers. After 45 minutes you've downloaded
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another five programs. Then you call another board -- only this
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one's completely across the country from California, in Florida.
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And so it goes on into the night... And the next night... And
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the next...
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Some days it gets to you. You begin to feel the dirtiness of
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modem addiction, particularly when your wife makes you feel like
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a child by berating you for those astronomical phone bills -- if
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she hasn't divorced you by then. Every time you sit down before
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your computer to do some work, you dial up another BBS instead.
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If that one's busy, you call another, and another, until you
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connect. Then you feel OK, almost "high." When you finally hang
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up, you still can't work; you can only dial up another BBS.
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Your downfall as an on-line addict is just another one of this
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society's terrible tragedies, such as polygamy or the compulsion
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to circle all the numbers on computer magazine "bingo cards."
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Eventually your whole social life relies upon only the messages
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you find on electronic bulletin boards; your only happiness is
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the programs you have downloaded. (You never try any of them,
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you only collect them.)
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Hope exists, however. We, the dedicated but under-paid staff of
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FidoNews 4-37 Page 6 28 Sep 1987
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Modems Anonymous, have done extensive research to find a cure for
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modem mania, which has been ruining hundreds of lives. And we
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have succeeded in our quest. The cure is really quite simple,
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yet effective:
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Set up your own bulletin board system. Then all the other modem
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addicts will phone you, and their wives can nag at them about
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$450 phone bills. And you can find peace -- at last.
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This is one of the most amusing (and bitterly true) stories I've
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read. I don't know who Steve King is, but thanks Steve! And by
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the way Steve, running a BBS doesn't work either - if you try
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that you discover EchoMail! - Randy Edwards, Sysop 132/555
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FidoNews 4-37 Page 7 28 Sep 1987
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Bill Paul
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The Think Tank
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Opus, 1:123/7
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One Sysop's Thoughts on fee-based bulletin boards
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I've been seeing more and more "pay" systems these days - that
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is, those that charge a fee to access the system. This fee can
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take any number of forms; those that charge a monthly or yearly
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"flat rate", those that charge by the minute or hour for time
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spent online, and those that request "donations" from the users.
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I am personally opposed to all three, for a variety of reasons.
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It should be noted that I am not speaking of "pay systems" in the
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traditional sense of the word, that is, CompuServe, The Source,
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GEnie, etc. Nor does this apply to systems which are sponsored
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by and for a limited number of users (members-only systems for a
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user group, a corporate entity or some other organized
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association of users). I am referring to your average, public or
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semi-public privately-operated bulletin board - the kind we call
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day in and day out all over the country. Now that you
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(hopefully) have some idea of what my definition of a "bulletin
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board" is for purposes of this article, let me share my reasons
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for not supporting such systems (from a sysop's point of view).
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1. The Think Tank is operated on my own computer and phone line.
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I paid for the system myself, and I pay for the telephone
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bills, maintenance, shareware fees for user utilities, floppy
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disks for backups, paper, and any other supplies, software or
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hardware I need to make the system operate smoothly. The
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point is, no one ASKED me to use this computer to operate a
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bulletin board! It was MY decision, so why should I ask
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users to support my hobby financially?
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2. The previous sentence is important to me, and it bothers me
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that we may be losing sight of the fact that bulletin boards
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started out as HOBBIES, not money-making ventures. Sure, I
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know that very few (if any) sysops actually make a profit by
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charging fees to users, but in my opinion, asking users to
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pay for my hardware and/or software removes me from the realm
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of "hobbyists" and places me in the position of POSSIBLY
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showing a profit (no matter how remote the chances). It
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could also cause the IRS to take an interest in my
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activities. Income from a hobby is taxable; losses are not
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deductible. Who needs that hassle?
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3. Charging a fee to access my system also places me in a
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position of being obligated to the users. If the hard drive
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crashes, or the software develops bugs, I would have at least
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a moral obligation to restore the system to full power as
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soon as possible. Sure, I know I could pull the plug at any
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time, take the money, and run. I even saw a captured session
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from a fee system which said that a fee was required, but
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nothing was guaranteed. I don't think I could operate like
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that and still sleep well at night.
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FidoNews 4-37 Page 8 28 Sep 1987
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4. In my opinion, I am providing a somewhat valuable service to
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callers. Some sysops have told me that this entitles us to
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charge for these services (access to public-domain software,
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message sections, FidoMail, "outside" games or features, or
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whatever else may be available on any given system). I say
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"Bunk!". The callers to The Think Tank don't "owe" me
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anything; in fact, I owe THEM more than I could even begin to
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express. I receive much of the latest and greatest software
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through their generous uploads, I get most (if not all) of my
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ideas for new message or file areas from users, and I get
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lots of conversation which makes me think, laugh, and
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sometimes pound my keyboard in frustration. And I love every
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minute of it. For this they should pay me?? I repeat -
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Bunk!
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5. Okay, this is the paragraph where I bend my own "rules" a
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bit. EchoMail. That wonderful feature which allows a large
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number of BBS systems to share messages on an international
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scale. I currently carry only two EchoMail areas. One is a
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local echo (free), and the other is forwarded to me by the
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generous HOST of Net 123 (thanks, Jerry!). However, should I
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decide to add an EchoMail area sometime in the future, I will
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still not charge users for the privilege of reading messages
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and participating in the discussion. The key phrase here is
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if *I* decide to add an Echo area, that is, one that I
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personally am interested in. Now, if a group of users wants
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me to provide an EchoMail conference which I have no interest
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in, I'll be glad to do so (disk space permitting), but I
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would also have no qualms about expecting the users to pay
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for the long-distance calls. This would not qualify the Tank
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as a "pay" system by my definition, because ONLY those
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callers who requested the Echo area would be required to pay
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for it (and only they would be able to access it).
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I know there are a lot of pay systems out there, so rebuttals are
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expected and welcomed. Flames, pot-shots, pats on the back, or
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what have you can be sent to The Think Tank, 123/7 (24-hour
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"Crash Mail" accepted), via a FidoNews article, or by direct call
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(but you'll have to call twice; registration is required). If
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you operate a pay system, I'd be interested in knowing how you
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justify your fees, or what you offer users that is unavailable
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elsewhere for free. Likewise, if you are a user who has paid a
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fee to access a particular system, I'd like to know what prompted
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you to do so. I'm not trying to start World War III here, far be
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it from me to "tell" anyone how to operate their BBS. Just call
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me curious...
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FidoNews 4-37 Page 9 28 Sep 1987
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QNX Echomail Conference
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Real-time Process Control for the Matrix?
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Ken McVay
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SysOp, The Old Frog's Almanac (220/20)
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A friend approached me last winter with a request for
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information regarding an operating system powerful enough
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for real-time applications, called QNX. It was, he'd heard,
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the slickest thing to come down the pike since buttered bread.
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He thought perhaps the matrix might be able to offer him some
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data as to just how well QNX worked... I had not heard of the
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product before, and, after sending several inquiries through the
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echoes, it seemed that no one else had, either.
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In February, Ken Yerex (340/10) showed me an article about QNX
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which had appeared in the PC TECH JOURNAL. I read and re-read
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the article, and understood at least 10 per-cent of it...the rest
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appeared to have been written in some obscure language understood
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only by Frogs and itinerate Greeks.... I did, however,
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understand enough of what was presented to get excited about the
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potential QNX might offer to matrix sysops, and sent a
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note off to the developers of QNX requesting information
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(Quantum Software Systems, Kanata, Ontario).
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I received a package from Quantum which contained some
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technical information even I could understand, and a demo
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diskette...my excitement over the demonstration led to several
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telephone calls to Kanata, where Dan Hildebrand, a programmer
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with Quantum, did his best to answer (endless) questions. As
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my interest grew, so did my telephone bill, and I finally
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suggested that Dan start answering my questions via netmail,
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through Al Hacker (163/1) in Ottawa.
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QNX, it seemed, had been around since about the time Moses
|
||
released the PC, and had been quietly doing its job ever
|
||
since. It was, in fact, the first multitasking system released
|
||
for the IBM-PC (the fully integrated networking version was
|
||
released in 1984). A sampling of end-users provided by
|
||
Quantum read like a Who's Who in Business, and included
|
||
IBM, Air Canada, AT&T, Bell, Bell & Howell, Delco-Remy,
|
||
NASA.....well, you get the idea... 25,000 systems were already
|
||
in use!
|
||
|
||
My interest in QNX quickly led to a two-node "mini-
|
||
conference" between 163/1 and me, as I was exchanging netmail
|
||
with Dan nearly every day anyway... I began extracting
|
||
Dan's messages and sending the resulting text file all over the
|
||
net, hoping to generate some of the excitement I was feeling,
|
||
and I was successful in expanding the conference. The interest
|
||
generated perked-up Quantum's switchboard, and 163/1 began
|
||
receiving a lot of netmail requests asking Dan for QNX demo
|
||
disks. As a result of all this activity, and the interest Dan
|
||
and I shared in creating a real-time echomail system, Quantum
|
||
began distributing QNX Development Systems to several sysops in
|
||
the matrix. Shortly after that program got underway, Quantum
|
||
FidoNews 4-37 Page 10 28 Sep 1987
|
||
|
||
|
||
agreed to provide discounts to matrix sysops who had become
|
||
interested in QNX. As a result, the system is now
|
||
available at a 55% discount from Quantum Software to persons
|
||
setting QNX based bulletin board systems. The complete
|
||
development system, with a K&R 'C' Compiler, retails for
|
||
$US650.00, and is available to sysops for under $US300.00. (or
|
||
about $US200.00 without the compiler.) QDOS, a package which
|
||
allows the use of PC-DOS as a task under QNX, is $US125.00.
|
||
|
||
Shortly after Quantum announced the discount program, I was
|
||
contacted by Paul Edison-Swift (North Central Computer
|
||
Institute, Madison, Wisconsin), who sent me a functioning QNX
|
||
multiline bbs complete with source code. This BBS had been in
|
||
use for over a year at a few sites including the University of
|
||
Wisconsin, and was generously released to public domain to
|
||
facilitate the Fido / QNX effort. I passed a copy of this system
|
||
to Rick Duff, 340/11, one of the recipients of a QNX
|
||
Development System. Rick went to work putting together
|
||
a matrix-compatible mailer so he could connect the NCCI
|
||
system to FidoNet. Rick's QNX Matrix Mailer ( QMM ) is now being
|
||
alpha-tested on 340/11, (although Rick tells me there's lots
|
||
of work to do yet before he can release a beta version). One of
|
||
the problems Rick has had with QMM and the multiline NCCI
|
||
system is that of handling arcmail - I understand, however, that
|
||
the problem is close to being solved, and the system will
|
||
soon be released to QNX end-users at no charge (for non-
|
||
commercial use - a fee will be required for commercial use.)
|
||
|
||
Note: I have been running SEAdog/Opus under QNX/QDOS since July,
|
||
on a turbo XT, with far less degredation in speed than I
|
||
experienced under DoubleDOS, but I view this as a stopgap at
|
||
best, until a matrix-compatible QNX multiline is available. DOS
|
||
applications make direct screen writes which bleed through to the
|
||
QNX side, and the only way around it at present is to hang a
|
||
terminal off the system. In addition, QNX will only support a
|
||
single QDOS task (on a stand-alone system), so you cannot operate
|
||
a multiline SEAdog system, as you could with DesqView. The setup
|
||
does permit me to get acquainted with QNX while I'm waiting for
|
||
Rick's beta system. QNX is not a cost-effective multitasking
|
||
system, therefore, for DOS applications, nor a substitute for
|
||
DDOS or DesqView...with QNX-level applications, however, it is
|
||
immeasurably more powerful. (Networked versions of QNX, however,
|
||
will support a QDOS task on each system in the net - any QNX
|
||
network application may be concurrently utilized by all users on
|
||
the net - as code and libraries are shared, little demand is made
|
||
on the network's RAM when this is done!)
|
||
|
||
What's all the excitement about? (Who needs another multiline bbs
|
||
anyway?)....well, how about being able to address 16megs of RAM
|
||
(protected mode) on your AT? How about being able to hang 10
|
||
terminals off your system? How about running 24 virtual lines
|
||
into Datapac/Tymenet with the cpu (AT) idling over 90% of the
|
||
time?
|
||
|
||
A QNX multiline, running on an AT, would permit echomail messages
|
||
to be delivered to a backbone node while the user that posted
|
||
FidoNews 4-37 Page 11 28 Sep 1987
|
||
|
||
|
||
them was still on the system....it would permit multiple users to
|
||
play a D&D-type maze game simultaneously (real-time!) against not
|
||
only the computer, but against EACH OTHER! It would permit you to
|
||
hang terminals and networked pc's on the system for office
|
||
applications and process control, with little noticible
|
||
degredation in speed or efficiency...and QNX itself would permit
|
||
ALL of the resources of your network to be shared, including all
|
||
available RAM and storage - no need for a dedicated server!
|
||
|
||
Those of you who are interested in QNX are invited to tap into
|
||
our QNX conference and say hello. It's readily available, but if
|
||
you can't locate a node that carries it, contact me netmail and I
|
||
will suggest a spot where you can pick it up.
|
||
|
||
If you are interested in logging on to a functioning QNX
|
||
multiline, you are invited to call Quantum's QUICS system, at
|
||
613-591-0934 (1200bps) or 613-591-0935 (1200/2400). The system is
|
||
also available (24 lines) through Datapac (85701416), for those
|
||
of you with Network User ID's. Another 24-line system, CBCHAT,
|
||
operated by Carl Wagar, of EntreNet Systems in Ottawa, is
|
||
available through Canada's iNET system. (When you call QUICS, log
|
||
on as "UPDATE" for both name and password). The NICC multiline
|
||
can be reached via 608-263-6224 (2400 available on the third
|
||
line, 608-263-2933). NICC callers are advised to call Paul
|
||
Edison-Swift, 608-263-4838, after they register, so he can
|
||
arrange access, or send him a note via BITNET to
|
||
EDISWIFT@WISCMACC. The author of 'Yunt,' the concurrent, multi-
|
||
user maze game, is running a 10-line QNX system, and I will post
|
||
his phone numbers as an update in a later article about QNX.
|
||
|
||
Copies of the NICC multiline may be obtained by sending three
|
||
diskettes and return postage to:
|
||
|
||
Paul Edison-Swift or: Ken McVay
|
||
c/o NCII 1602B Northfield Road
|
||
610 Walnut Street Nanaimo, B.C.
|
||
Madison, WI 53705 Canada V9S 3A7
|
||
|
||
or by downloading it from QUICS.
|
||
|
||
If you are interested in QMM, you can contact Rick Duff via
|
||
the QNX Conference, or directly, via 340/11, in Victoria, B.C.
|
||
|
||
Those of you who are interested in obtaining a QNX demo diskette
|
||
(XT or AT versions available, so please specify which one you
|
||
need) should send your name and address to Dan Hildebrand, via
|
||
163/1 or 163/14 (at the time of writing, Sept.13, 1987, 163/1 is
|
||
DOWN due to drive failure, so 163/14 may be your best best!), or
|
||
you can write directly to Dan at Quantum Software, 175 Terrence
|
||
Matthews Crescent, Kanata, Ontario, CANADA K2M 1WA.
|
||
|
||
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
|
||
FidoNews 4-37 Page 12 28 Sep 1987
|
||
|
||
|
||
Steve Townsley
|
||
Opus 2:510/17
|
||
Log on the Tyne - Tyneside UK
|
||
CCITT V21/V23/V22/V22bis
|
||
|
||
|
||
The Region 25 Omnibus Edition
|
||
|
||
Well, there here - Zones. Makenl, Ben Baker's much advertised new
|
||
utility reached the UK this week. So in a short period of time
|
||
the much discussed 'zonesplit' will be upon the network.
|
||
|
||
Oddly enough most nodes will remain blissfully ignorant of the
|
||
change. The nodelist will get a wee bit smaller, although with
|
||
the rate of growth in Europe, we may end up being more than one
|
||
Zone. Even in communications hungry Zone 1, international mail is
|
||
rumoured to take place only on nights of the full-moon. But
|
||
seriously NET 510 must be one of the very few nets to mail its
|
||
network news internationally - in our case Scotland, Wales and
|
||
Ireland.
|
||
|
||
Hopefully, the change will be for the better. I well remember
|
||
reading a planned zone like structure in 1985. The article, in a
|
||
newsletter for Europe was written by Henk Wevers. He certainly
|
||
gets my vote for organising the european end of inter-zone
|
||
addressing. Thanks Henk.
|
||
|
||
- FidoCon -
|
||
|
||
Well FidoCon 1987 did not europe with the wave of apathy that
|
||
came over from last years' flames. I particularly appreciated
|
||
Dale Lovell's personal view, presumably written with his portable
|
||
at the conference.
|
||
|
||
In sharp contrast to last years' fiasco we in Europe saw a united
|
||
co-operative group of sysops helping each other. Definely what
|
||
was needed.
|
||
|
||
As a response to the more 'orderly' appearance of IFNA at this
|
||
years' FidoCon at least two nodes in my NET, 3000 miles from your
|
||
shores, have asked about joining IFNA. The prospects for an
|
||
international committee also look good.
|
||
|
||
I would like to thank all the sysops who spent time, money and
|
||
effort to get it right this time. Hopefully we might organise
|
||
some UK get-together in a few months time.
|
||
|
||
- The Argus Project -
|
||
|
||
Something which didn't affect yourselves as much as Europe was
|
||
the Chernobyl Nuclear Incident. Although, for those of you near
|
||
Three Mile Island, the story must have brought back many bad
|
||
memories.
|
||
|
||
A group of people in the North East of England have now started a
|
||
radiation monitoring project using OPUS as the media for
|
||
FidoNews 4-37 Page 13 28 Sep 1987
|
||
|
||
|
||
distributing data around the UK. We are very pleased that the
|
||
first node is in network 510 (2:510/94).
|
||
|
||
The object of the projects is to provide reliable information
|
||
levels about the actual background radiation levels in the UK.
|
||
Monitoring stations using modems and a 6809 based micro will link
|
||
to a central database and FidoNet.
|
||
|
||
So far many of even the public bodies in the Uk have not been
|
||
informed, even by our national government, about the true effects
|
||
on our environment due to nuclear spillage into the European air
|
||
system. Using these custom built monitoring stations, (codenamed
|
||
'The Beast'), and interacting via FidoNet it may be possible to
|
||
actually tell you whether to wear a lead lined raincoat next time
|
||
you get this side of the pond.
|
||
|
||
- Can You Beat This One -
|
||
|
||
Many US sysops must surely think we joke over here when we
|
||
complain about poor phone lines. But now that Opus has the
|
||
percentage efficiency of the line here are our worst cases, at
|
||
2400 bps.
|
||
|
||
|
||
HOST on Tyneside to some of its regular nodes.....
|
||
|
||
Cardiff 300 Miles 28% worst case 72% best
|
||
London 271 Miles 8% worst case 93% best
|
||
Keswick 70 Miles 25% worst case 60% best
|
||
Argus HQ 1 Mile 60% worst case 80% best (300 bps)
|
||
NL1 (Henk) 400 Miles 50% worst case 75% best
|
||
|
||
|
||
Mostly we get a 50% hit rate... ie 1200 bps out of a $1300 2400
|
||
modem. But remember these are european worst cases. Can YOU beat
|
||
them. Prizes at next FidoCon ??
|
||
|
||
- Mail Me -
|
||
|
||
I finally took the plunge this week, I took out a Link 7500 Email
|
||
account with Mercury Communications. Even though most people use
|
||
Telecom Gold in the UK (76,000 subscribers in the UK) I have
|
||
decided to try the competition. Bravery didn't go as far as
|
||
surrendering my Gold account but, I would really like to since
|
||
they have annouced a charge increase of between 144% and 570%.
|
||
|
||
As a result some of the UK nodes are actually proposing to run an
|
||
Echomail conference to oppose the high costs of Britains largest
|
||
communications carrier. The only parallel in the USA would be a
|
||
national conference to get Congress to close AT&T! Over here even
|
||
the national press (including THe Times) have criticised the high
|
||
price of making a phone call in the UK. For example, you (in the
|
||
USA), can call me (in the UK) more cheaply than I can phone
|
||
London - 270 miles away.
|
||
|
||
What really made me laugh is the new Opus which talks about 'zero
|
||
FidoNews 4-37 Page 14 28 Sep 1987
|
||
|
||
|
||
rated calls'. Several sysops have rang us up to find out whether
|
||
Opus is capable of disabling the phone meters at the exchange,
|
||
they really think you are joking when you talk about free local
|
||
calls.
|
||
|
||
Local call rate in the UK is $1 per hour cheap rate and $5 an
|
||
hour peak.
|
||
|
||
Anyway, to get back to my new Email address. Link 7500 is the
|
||
same system you call Easylink in the USA, I think its run by
|
||
Western Union stateside. So now I have an Easylink account I d
|
||
like to find out if any sysops in the USA use it.... so as I said
|
||
earlier why not mail me!
|
||
|
||
- End Zone - (pun intended)
|
||
|
||
Last but not least, will you get more irrelevant jotting from
|
||
Europe... ??? Only if the ZoneGate works on the 18th, see ya on
|
||
the other side or maybe in Finland the Twilight Zone!
|
||
|
||
Steve
|
||
|
||
FidoNet Address - 2:510/17.0
|
||
Telecom Gold (Dialcom) - 10072:MAG30870
|
||
Telex - 94014168 OPUS G
|
||
Link 7500 (Easylink) - 19034175
|
||
Fax - +44 91 490 1830
|
||
|
||
oh... if you really must
|
||
|
||
Telephone (Voice) - +44 91 477 0860
|
||
Telephone (Opus BBS) - +44 91 477 3339 Bell & CCITT
|
||
|
||
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
|
||
FidoNews 4-37 Page 15 28 Sep 1987
|
||
|
||
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
COLUMNS
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
|
||
-- The Regular Irregular Column --
|
||
Dale Lovell
|
||
157/504
|
||
|
||
I'm finally getting around to looking over some of the stuff
|
||
I picked up at FidoCon. I'm going to be looking at some of the
|
||
better pickings over the next few weeks in this column. This week
|
||
it's going to be TBBS by eSoft. This is a fantastic product and
|
||
since I didn't know anything about it until the conference, I'm
|
||
going to assume that many of you reading this don't know
|
||
anything. I'm not really an expert on TBBS yet, so there may be a
|
||
few errors. I'll count on people like Phil Becker (the author and
|
||
president of eSoft) to let me know about my mistakes and I'll
|
||
correct myself in a future column.
|
||
|
||
-- TBBS version 2.0 by eSoft ( $299.95 2.0S, $895.00 2.0M) --
|
||
|
||
TBBS is not just another bulletin board program. Many Opus
|
||
sysops may boast about how configurable their boards are, they
|
||
don't know what configurable means! PC-Board sysops may boast
|
||
about how they can set up several systems to act as one board
|
||
with several nodes, they don't know anything about easy multi-
|
||
line set-up! Lastly all us FidoNet sysops can talk about how much
|
||
Echomail does for us, well TBBS can handle that too (although I
|
||
think Bob Hartman's ConfMail does it better). Having had TBBS in
|
||
my hands for less than a month, I can tell you that it is clearly
|
||
a world class bulletin board program. Some of the items on my
|
||
quick list of features include support for up to 52 message
|
||
areas, up to 30,000 messages, notification of waiting messages at
|
||
logon (for ALL the message areas), 255 privilege levels, 32
|
||
feature control authorization flags (with some being able to be
|
||
set depending on logon speed and/or the line being used) and
|
||
that's just the short list.
|
||
|
||
Perhaps the most fantastic feature of TBBS is the capability
|
||
of handling up to 16 users simultaneously using only ONE AT
|
||
computer. Before I went to the conference I asked a local PC-
|
||
Board sysop what he knew about TBBS and all he could tell me was
|
||
the high cost of the multi-line version (2.0M, versus 2.0S the
|
||
single line version). His current PC-Board software requires an
|
||
individual computer for each phone line, he would have come out
|
||
ahead after his second line (he currently has 5 phone lines and 5
|
||
computers all connected through a network). It was impressive to
|
||
watch a demonstration at FidoCon and see the status lights change
|
||
on 16 modems as you heard their relays click in quick succession!
|
||
Since you can control the setup for each individual line, you can
|
||
even mix and match modems without any difficulty.
|
||
|
||
One of the other big advantages to TBBS is the menus. You
|
||
have complete control over every menu, with the capability to
|
||
make the menu items vary according to the line being used and the
|
||
baud rate. There are no default menus (although a sample set is
|
||
FidoNews 4-37 Page 16 28 Sep 1987
|
||
|
||
|
||
included), everything is under your control. This means you could
|
||
set up your main menu to put people directly into a particular
|
||
message base or download area. It is up to the sysop to create
|
||
each menu; what the letter code and description are, what they
|
||
do, and how the menu should look (for example you could put the
|
||
most used commands at the top of the menu). Their are over 50
|
||
different actions a command can have, including a "goto" and
|
||
"gosub" to another menu. If you're using a "gosub" to a menu
|
||
(saving the menu to return to), the stack will allow up to 20
|
||
return menu adresses. This allows for a lot of menus and while I
|
||
wouldn't have menus 20 levels deep, it is reassuring to know that
|
||
the capability is there if I should ever need it. For someone
|
||
switching over to TBBS this can be very nice, because you can
|
||
make your board look almost identical to your old software. Given
|
||
the complete control over the menus, TBBS can be made to look
|
||
almost exactly like most of the bulletin board programs available
|
||
today. This makes it easier on your users, they don't have to
|
||
learn a whole new set of commands, most of the commands are the
|
||
same and they'll even be in the same place. While you have an
|
||
almost unlimited number of menus, you are limited to 50 entries
|
||
in each menu and each menu being no larger than 4096 characters
|
||
(and of course the 20 level maximum for nesting).
|
||
|
||
Questionnaires are just as easy to set up through a few
|
||
programs included with TBBS. You can quickly generate several
|
||
questionnaires for a variety of purposes. Some examples would be
|
||
registration, voting, user surveys and on-line order taking (for
|
||
any item you provide to your users on request) with ALL of them
|
||
being online at once through different menus and commands. It's
|
||
even possible to prevent someone from taking a questionnaire
|
||
twice by having TBBS automatically change a user flag (more on
|
||
this later) upon completion. New user questionnaires and surveys
|
||
only get filled out once while requests to bring files on-line
|
||
can always be taken. Once again you control exactly what each
|
||
questionnaire does, and creating one is almost a trivial affair
|
||
with the utilities eSoft provides. In the case of surveys, you
|
||
can even allow your users to see the current results of your poll
|
||
by creating one menu entry for each survey. While some of this
|
||
may not give the sysop anything extra, it can make the board
|
||
nicer for the users.
|
||
|
||
Some of the other features that may appeal to users are the
|
||
on-line public conferences and the CB simulator. The on-line
|
||
conferences are NOT message bases. It's a means for allowing many
|
||
of your users (you've got 16 line capability after all) to talk
|
||
to each other on-line. You also have the option of recording
|
||
these conferences in order to have an ascii text "transcript" of
|
||
the conference. This option is provided mainly for business use,
|
||
although I can see using it on a public board for speeches or
|
||
talks with local figures (a local expert giving a talk on high-
|
||
speed modems, computer security, or the stock market just for a
|
||
few quick ideas). The CB simulator is just what is sounds like.
|
||
An on-line private real time conference between two or more
|
||
users. With 40 channels available, it should be enough to please
|
||
almost any set of users. Other advantages to the user are
|
||
automatic word wrap on message entry with optional word wrap when
|
||
FidoNews 4-37 Page 17 28 Sep 1987
|
||
|
||
|
||
reading a message. You can go through a message base using
|
||
several different methods. Among them forward and reverse by date
|
||
or subject and selectively based on fragments of the From, To, or
|
||
Subject fields in the messages. Log on and mail checks at that
|
||
time are also quick. TBBS should be able to find a user name in
|
||
700ms given 16,000 users and the initial mail check will take no
|
||
more than 180ms. Those figures are from eSoft's TBBS Technical
|
||
Specifications and are based on a 4.77Mhz CPU whose hard drive
|
||
has a 90ms average seek time. What this means is that log-on and
|
||
message searches are FAST!
|
||
|
||
I've already gone over some of the features that will appeal
|
||
to sysops, but I'm going to mention some of them again. The
|
||
ability to control the menus based on line being used and baud
|
||
rate is one of the more unique aspects of TBBS. It's possible to
|
||
create up to 8 totally unique bulletin boards using only one
|
||
computer. The users might never know that they were calling the
|
||
"same" bulletin board. You've got three different methods for
|
||
logging on and control over how new users are handled. This
|
||
allows you to run as open (or closed) a board as is feasible in
|
||
your area. The options for the system log are also unique in my
|
||
experience. TBBS does more than let you choose whether or not you
|
||
want the log, and how much detail (terse, detailed, etc.). It
|
||
actually lets you decide what you want it to save in the log or
|
||
even to forget the log entirely.
|
||
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Control over user access is also very well rounded. In
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addition to the 255 privilege levels, you also have 32 flags for
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each user. While some can be set at logon time, you could also
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use them for your own purposes. One of the best uses I've come up
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with for this feature is to "permanently" turn off the sysop chat
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mode for certain users who have a tendency to page me all too
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often. While you can create default time and download limits for
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each privilege level, you also have the capability to override
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these defaults on a user-by-user basis. I think that this is one
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of nicer way to reward those who are actively participating on a
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board. Many people like to have co-sysops who help manage the
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message areas on a board. TBBS makes this very easy to do by
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allowing you to define a co-sysop for any particular set of
|
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message areas. This is accomplished quickly and painlessly. All
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you have to do is mark the appropriate fields in the user record
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and that user has sysop-like access to messages in the selected
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areas (message areas, not commands; although you could do that
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just as easily).
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I can not stress enough how much I have been impressed by
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TBBS. It is easily the most flexible bulletin board program I
|
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have ever seen. The multi-line version makes an excellent program
|
||
ever better and wins high marks for the ease of upgrading from
|
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single-line to multi-line (almost no work at all). My only
|
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disappointment is the lack of file transfer protocols. TBBS only
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supports a few ascii protocols, XMODEM (CRC and checksum) and
|
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YMODEM (CRC and checksum). Yet while this isn't what many of us
|
||
have come to expect in bulletin board software, I think it is
|
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sufficient for almost every purpose. There are still a couple of
|
||
other little features I'm still exploring, so this isn't the last
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FidoNews 4-37 Page 18 28 Sep 1987
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you'll be hearing of TBBS. Get used to seeing those letters, as I
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think we'll all be seeing a lot more of them in the future.
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|
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-- Winding Down... --
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Computer pilots of the world unite! We have yet another fine
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flight simulator game available. While it doesn't give you the
|
||
combat capabilities of Jet or Flight Simulator, it's been
|
||
promised in a future program from the same company. The program
|
||
I'm referring to is "Chuck Yeager's Advanced Flight Simulator"
|
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(Electronic Arts, $39.95 retail). The combat simulator is
|
||
"announced" on the inside of the package and you can bet I'll be
|
||
buying of the first copies off the line, but back to the program
|
||
that's available today. To begin with, AFS is the first flight
|
||
simulator that actually teaches you to fly. Electronic Arts
|
||
accomplishes this through an on screen instructor's cursor to
|
||
show you what you should be doing. In addition there are several
|
||
obstacle courses to fly through (even trying to follow a lead
|
||
plane through them). Some of the planes available to you in this
|
||
package include a Sopwith Camel, a Mustang, the Bell X-1, a
|
||
Lockheed SR-71 (my favorite), or even some designs that were
|
||
never built (and in at least one of those cases, it was the right
|
||
decision). There's support for CGA, EGA and Hercules graphics
|
||
boards as well the capability to fly using the keyboard or a
|
||
joystick.
|
||
|
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My only complaint on AFS is that the disk is copy protected
|
||
with the key-disk method. While it allows you to install it on
|
||
just about anything as many times as you want, you always have to
|
||
put the original disk in drive A. Enclosed inside is a coupon you
|
||
can send in with ten dollars and get a completely non-copy
|
||
protected version, I just wish that some mention of this was on
|
||
the outside of the package. I'd come to expect no copy protection
|
||
from Electronic Arts and was surprised to see it. Final
|
||
statements on AFS are if you enjoyed Microsoft's Flight Simulator
|
||
or the non-combat portions of Jet, you'll have many hours of
|
||
enjoyment playing with it. Count on nothing but book reviews or
|
||
comments on my flights for the next few weeks as it's been eating
|
||
up all my game playing time.
|
||
|
||
As always I welcome any comments you may have on my column.
|
||
I'd especially like to hear about products and programs you think
|
||
are fantastic, I like to pass the word around on a good thing.
|
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Below you'll find my Usenet, FidoNet and US mail address. Or
|
||
those of you sending me mail through FidoNet please make sure
|
||
that it is routed through 157/1 as I'm a private node these days.
|
||
|
||
Dale Lovell
|
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3266 Vezber Drive
|
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Seven Hills, OH 44131
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FidoNet 1:157/504.1
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FidoNews 4-37 Page 19 28 Sep 1987
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NOTICES
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|
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The Interrupt Stack
|
||
|
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|
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7 Dec 1987
|
||
Start of the Digital Equipment Users Society meeting in
|
||
Anaheim, CA. Contact Mark Buda at 1:132/777 for details.
|
||
|
||
14 Nov 1987
|
||
The First New England Sysop Conference, to be held at the
|
||
Lederle Graduate Research Center, 16 Floor University of
|
||
Massachusetts, Amherst. Contact Mort Sternheim at 1:321/109
|
||
for details.
|
||
|
||
24 Aug 1989
|
||
Voyager 2 passes Neptune.
|
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|
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|
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|
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World Of Computers
|
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Whitestone, New York
|
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|
||
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE - FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
|
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===============================================
|
||
|
||
On Sunday October 11, 1987 at the Grand Royal Hotel
|
||
in Hempstead, New York, will be another spectacular
|
||
KGP computer show.
|
||
|
||
What makes this show different from ALL other shows
|
||
this year will the introduction of the FIRST PS/2
|
||
compatible computer named the QT/2 which will be
|
||
available at the show for demonstration, evaluation
|
||
and purchase.
|
||
|
||
The QT/2 is made entirely in the United States, and
|
||
does not face the import tariff currently being levied
|
||
against other compatibles made in the Far East.
|
||
|
||
Standard features of the QT/2 include 3 Megabytes of
|
||
memory on the motherboard, both a 3 1/2 inch floppy
|
||
drive and a 1/4 height standard 360k floppy allowing
|
||
easy transfer of software to/from either format. Both
|
||
serial and parallel ports are included as well as a
|
||
light pen port and a game adaptor port and the display
|
||
adaptor as well. A 250 watt switching power supply is
|
||
standard with a 300 watt supply available as an option.
|
||
|
||
The QT/2 allows hard drives of up to 120 Megabytes to be
|
||
FidoNews 4-37 Page 20 28 Sep 1987
|
||
|
||
|
||
installed and operated as a SINGLE drive without the use
|
||
of device drivers.
|
||
|
||
All current CGA, EGA, Monochrome and VGA display units
|
||
will operate on the QT/2. Several expansion boards have
|
||
been tested and perform to specifications.
|
||
|
||
The base price of the unit will be $995. This includes
|
||
3 Megabytes of memory and the two floppy disk drives
|
||
as well as the serial and parallel ports, the game
|
||
adaptor port, the display adaptor and an enhanced AT
|
||
style tactile touch keyboard.
|
||
|
||
The unit is covered by a 12 month warranty and service
|
||
can be obtained nationwide from over 1300 repair centers.
|
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Latest Software Versions
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Dutchie 2.70a* EditNL 3.3 ARC 5.21
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|
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Opus 1.03a Prune 1.40 ConfMail 3.10
|
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SEAdog 4.10 XlatList 2.84 EchoMail 1.31
|
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