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>>> WELCOME TO THE LAMP! <<<
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THE BEST OF THE A2 BULLETIN BOARD ON Syndicomm Online
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AND THE BEST OF THE DELPHI A2 AND A2PRO MESSAGE BOARDS
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"Teaching the Apple II user how to fish since 1998"
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The Lamp! An Onipa'a Software Production Vol. 5, No. 12
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Publisher................................Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W.
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Editor.....................................................Lyle Syverson
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Internet Email, Publisher.........................thelamp@sheppyware.net
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Internet Email, Editor................................lyle@FoxValley.net
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TABLE OF CONTENTS
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December 15, 2002
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HIGH ABOVE THE ROCK RIVER---------------------------------------------[OPN]
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The Peacefulness of a Winter Storm
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The Tinkerer's Corner This Month
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A2 FORUM AT Syndicomm Online (A2Central.com) DISTILLATIONS------------[DAS]
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Marker Posts-----------------------------------------------------[MRP]
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Proper Names of Apple Products-----------------------------------[PNP]
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Help for the New Owner of an Apple II With No Software-----------[NOS]
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The Pioneer Laser Disc Player With the IIgs?---------------------[LDP]
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The WebQuest Website---------------------------------------------[WQW]
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Ultima IV and the MockingBoard-----------------------------------[UFM]
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ALPS Glidepoint ADB-Compatible Trackpad--------------------------[ALP]
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CD-ROM Drive on the IIgs With Apple Rev. C SCSI Card-------------[CDR]
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Juiced.GS Vol 7 Issue 4 on Track---------------------------------[JOT]
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What I Really do for a Living------------------------------------[RDL]
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ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM SYNDICOMM------------------------------------------[ANS]
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Syndicomm now has a new mailing address!-------------------------[NMA]
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To Sign up for Syndicomm Online----------------------------------[TSU]
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THE TINKERER'S CORNER-------------------------------------------------[TTC]
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One Disk Approach to the Installation of System 6.0.1 on the IIgs
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You are Invited
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LETTERS TO THE EDITOR-------------------------------------------------[LTE]
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Letter to the Editor
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An Invitation
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KFEST 2003
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KFest 2003 - Plan to be There!-----------------------------------[PBT]
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EXTRA INNINGS
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About The Lamp! ------------------------------------------------ [INN]
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[*] [*] [*]
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READING THE LAMP! The index system used by The Lamp! is designed to make
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""""""""""""""""" your reading easier. To use this system, load this
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issue into any word processor or text editor. In the index you will find
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something like:
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EXTRA INNINGS
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About The Lamp! ------------------------------------------------ [INN]
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To read this article, simply use your search or find command to locate
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[INN]. There is a similar tag at the end of each article: [EOA].
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[OPN]-------------------------------
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HIGH ABOVE THE ROCK RIVER |
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From The Editor
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by Lyle Syverson <lyle@FoxValley.net>
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The Peacefulness of a Winter Storm
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From High Above The Rock River, the stiff Winter wind forces the heavy
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snow sideways... almost a horizontal movement... almost completely
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obscuring vision.
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This jolts the mind to a different time and place... growing up on a
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farm in Minnesota... and the blizzards which occurred from time to time.
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Start with a moist southwest wind of moderate temperature. The wind
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slowly moves to the northwest... turning colder and colder... blowing
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harder and harder. First a "wet" snow that sticks to everything. Then a
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"dry" snow that stays airborne for a long time, blocking visibility. Huge
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drifts of snow form where the wind is slowed by trees or buildings. The
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storm might last for two or three days.
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The rules of survival in a blizzard were very simple... keep plenty of
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food and fuel on hand and stay home. On the farm you also had to make
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certain that the livestock were sheltered and had plenty of feed and water.
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There was no concern that the power would be lost... there was no
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electricity. The fuel reserve was a huge pile of firewood on the porch.
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Much of the food reserve was found in the "cellar"... bins of home grown
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potatoes, squash, and carrots... shelves filled with home grown, home
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canned fruits, vegetables, and chicken. Add the flour, sugar, salt,
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spices, and home rendered lard found in the kitchen and you could be
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certain of plenty to eat.
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There was always a sense of relaxation during the storm... you had to
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suspend many of your usual activities, including school. Things were quiet
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except for the erie howl of the fierce northwest wind.
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One of the activities I enjoyed during these times was listening to my
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home made crystal radio. No batteries to run down. The sound quality left
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a lot to be desired. It only brought in one station. But there was the
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satisfaction of using something I had built myself... the tinkerer's
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instinct was at work at an early age.
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The Tinkerer's Corner This Month
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This month in the Tinkerer's Corner we create a "one disk" approach to
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installing the IIgs system software on a hard drive.
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[EOA]
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ASCII ART BEGINS
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[EOA]
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[DAS]----------------------------------------------
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DISTILLATIONS FROM The A2 FORUM at Syndicomm.com |
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(A2Central.com) |
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by Lyle Syverson <lyle@foxvalley.net>
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[MRP]
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MARKER POSTS
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Marker post...
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(LUMITECH, Cat 2, Top 7, Msg 149)
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>>>>>
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"""""
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Just curious, but what are these "Marker Posts" that I have seen on the
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boards every now and then?
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Thanks,
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Dain
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(A2.DAIN, Cat 2, Top 7, Msg 150)
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"""""
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When a message is posted and then moved/deleted, a browse of the message
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boards will reveal a topic with "1 new message" or so, but no actual new
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messages will be displayed.
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That seems to be when a marker post shows up... though that answers only
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the when, not the why.
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-Ken
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(KGAGNE, Cat 2, Top 7, Msg 152)
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You are correct on the "when." The "why" is because when browsing the
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message board via the Web, the topic still says "x new message(s)", even
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after entering that topic and finding no messages. The "marker post" adds a
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new message, and then when read, clears the flag that says "x new
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message(s)" so that the next time I'm cruising the board via the Web, I
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won't try and read a new message that doesn't exist.
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We conversed about this awhile back. BTW, there are a few topics in a
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couple of message boards that I can't clear the flag using this method
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because it is a closed topic and doesn't allow posting.
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Jeff
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(LUMITECH, Cat 2, Top 7, Msg 153)
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[EOA]
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[PNP]
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PROPER NAMES OF Apple PRODUCTS
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In my continuing work on the GEnieLamp / Lamp index, I've got a few
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products whose proper names I need clarification on:
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Is it "ZipGS" or "Zip GS"? And where does ZipGSX (or ZipGSx) fit in here?
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Is it "Copy II Plus" or "Copy II+"?
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Apple IIc Plus or Apple IIc+?
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Apple II Plus or Apple II+?
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"Resource-Central" or "Resource Central" (although they may not have known
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themselves; some of my old A2-Central newsletters have it one way in one
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issue, and the other way in another)
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"ProTerm" or "ProTERM"?
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"RamFAST" or "RAMFast"?
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Also, i'd like to correspond (via e-mail or here in the forum) with anyone
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who spent significant time in the past on AppleLink - Personal Edition,
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America Online (when you could do it with an Apple II), CompuServe (when
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MAUG was still around), The Source, and Delphi prior to Syndicomm. Heck,
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even GEnie in the original days of the American Apple Roundtable.
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Any new or interesting information about the origins of these services
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would be helpful; what would be even better would be if anyone has
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scrollback that they've saved from that time that demonstrates what entry
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to the Apple II area on that service looked like, or what the messages
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looked like. GEnie is easy; it looked just like this lovely Syndicomm
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Online service (thanks Sheppy!) Also info about what you did or did not
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like about that service.
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And if there is a better place to post responses than here, Topic Cop
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please feel free to redirect me.
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Thanks in advance!
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Steven Weyhrich <IX0YE>--<
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Apple II History
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http://apple2history.org
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(A2HISTORY, Cat 2, Top 8, Msg 342)
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>> ZipGS or Zip GS and ZipGSX <<
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I believe it's officially ZipGSX. Zip Technologies originally planned a
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ZipGS that would be a chip-like thing, comparable to the original Zip Chip,
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and the ZipGSX, which was a card. Only the ZipGSX ever shipped, and most
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people just refer to it as the ZipGS.
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>> "Copy II Plus" or "Copy II+" <<
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Copy II Plus
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>> Apple IIc Plus or Apple IIc+ <<
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Apple IIc Plus
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>> Apple II Plus or Apple II+ <<
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Apple ][+
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>> "Resource-Central" or "Resource Central" <<
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Resource Central
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>> "ProTerm" or "ProTERM" <<
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ProTERM
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>> "RamFAST" or "RAMFast" <<
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RamFAST
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Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.com
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Owner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com
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Building communities, bit by bit.
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(SYNDICOMM, Cat 2, Top 8, Msg 345)
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>> "ZipGS" or "Zip GS"? ZipGSX or ZipGSx? <<
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If you look on the card, I think it's "ZipGSX", but for some reason, it's
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totally stuck in my head as "ZipGSx", and because of that, that's what
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I use and it's the official Juiced.GS way of writing it :)
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I agree with Sheppy on all the other names.
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Ryan
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(RSUENAGA, Cat 2, Top 8, Msg 346)
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"""""
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Thanks for the help with the names.
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However, I do have a question about the Apple ][+. Now I know that "][+" or
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"II+" is the shorthand way that is almost always used to refer to that
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computer. But on the name plate for the II+, it uses the same stylized
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"Apple ][" as on the original (non Plus version), but has the word "plus"
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in a funky italics below and to the right. For that reason, I _thought_ it
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would be "Apple II Plus", especially if I am not choosing to write it with
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their "special" characters (i.e., Apple ][ vs Apple II, Apple //e vs Apple
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IIe, the small caps Apple IIGS vs Apple IIgs, etc).
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I like the "IIc Plus" better than "IIc+", so I'm glad I can use that with
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confidence. :-) I suspect it is more of an editorial opinion, but would
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"Apple II Plus" be way out of line, and cause derision and ridicule for
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myself and my descendants for years to come?
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Steven Weyhrich <IX0YE>--<
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Apple II History
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http://apple2history.org
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(A2HISTORY, Cat 2, Top 8, Msg 347)
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"""""
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Steve,
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If you go back to the 1994 version of the Apple Style Guide, they actually
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do say that the proper way is to use "II Plus". However, they also say
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it's okay to use "Apple II" to refer to both the entire Apple II family and
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the original Apple II. I disagree with that and feel like "Apple ][" is
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the proper way to refer to the original Apple II. I could be persuaded on
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"II Plus" vs. "][ Plus" vs. "][+" vs. "II+", but if push came to shove, I'd
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probably go with "][ Plus" if it were running in Juiced.GS.
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The 2000 version of the style guide pretty much totally ignores the Apple
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II.
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Ryan
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(A2.RYAN, Cat 2, Top 8, Msg 348)
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"""""
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What is the Apple Style Guide? Is that something for those who write about
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Apple's products to know how to properly refer to them in print?
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Not surprising that they don't mention the Apple II. I would venture to
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guess that there is a high percentage of people at the company who honestly
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don't know that Apple sold something besides the Macintosh.
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Of course, that could be my old Apple vs. the Apple II cynicism rearing its
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ugly head again.... :-)
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Steven Weyhrich <IX0YE>--<
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Apple II History
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http://apple2history.org
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(A2HISTORY, Cat 2, Top 8, Msg 349)
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>>>>>
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"""""
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>> What is the Apple Style Guide? Is that something for those who write
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about Apple's products to know how to properly refer to them in print? <<
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Yes. There are a couple of versions available. The one that's probably
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most relevant is the 1994 one that's at:
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ftp://ftp.apple.com/developer/Technical_Documentation/Publication_Guides/Ap
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ple_Style_Guide_2_94.sit.hqx
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We don't follow it religiously at Juiced (or any of the other publications
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I'm involved with), but I do keep it on hand.
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BTW, it's in Word format :)
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Ryan
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(A2.RYAN, Cat 2, Top 8, Msg 350)
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"""""
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Thanks for the links to that style document. I see that in Apple's opinion
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(in 1994) it was proper to use "Apple IIe" but not proper to use "Apple
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//e".
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They also preferred use of "Apple II Plus" over "Apple ][+".
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However, it DOES say "][" and "//e" directly on the products, so what do
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they expect if people write it that way... :-)
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Steven Weyhrich <IX0YE>--<
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Apple II History
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http://apple2history.org
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(A2HISTORY, Cat 2, Top 8, Msg 353)
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[EOA]
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[NOS]
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HELP FOR THE NEW OWNER OF AN Apple II WITH NO SOFTWARE
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""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
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Okay, the reason for this topic is to get some practical information to
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offer to people who e-mail me (as the Apple II Historian Who Has A
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Convenient Address To Use) with their "help me" questions.
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Most recently, I got a message from someone who says,
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>> Is it possible to connect an apple 5.25 drive to a modern pc running
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windows xp? I bought an apple iie and 2 iics with no software and i am
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trying to get dos onto a disk. I cant send it to them no matter how hard i
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try so i want to connect my disk drive to my computer and make disks off of
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there. <<
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Now, I sent him a message that says, no, you can't do that, the drives are
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incompatible, and gave him some web sites to go for help. I'd LOVE to tell
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him to get online here to ask his question, but being a paid service, many
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people aren't interested in spending money to get their questions answered
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(can you imagine?)
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Aside from convincing the person who writes to subscribe here (for at least
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a short time), is there any FAQ I can point these people to that will
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explain how to get files to a disk drive that has no files to begin with,
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when 99% of people who get their info and files these days get them from
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the Internet onto a PC or Mac?
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Steven Weyhrich <IX0YE>--<
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Apple II History
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http://apple2history.org
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(A2HISTORY, Cat 2, Top 39, Msg 1)
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>>>>>
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"""""
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I got another e-mail from this person, and he is actually smart enough to
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try the null-modem approach to try and fix his problem. I suggested he try
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Syndicomm's $2 disks, and also encouraged him to just bite the bullet and
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get on Syndicomm's A2 forum for a month.
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Still, the questions in the previous message still apply, as I will likely
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get messages like this in the future.
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Steven Weyhrich <IX0YE>--<
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Apple II History
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http://apple2history.org
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(A2HISTORY, Cat 2, Top 39, Msg 2)
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>>>>>
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"""""
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I remember when I got back into the Apple ][ World, I had a huge learning
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curve ahead of me. I had downloaded a few emulators, but that wasn't real
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enough and eventually I paid way too much for a complete in box stock Apple
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IIgs setup that fortunately had a ton of both 5 1/4" disks and 3.5" 800K
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floppies.
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I remember that although I had some disks, I didn't have anything that was
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produced after 1990 or so. I ended up buying a modem cable, a null modem
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adapter and attempting to transfer from Hyper Terminal on the PC to Apple
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Works GS (the only communications module I had, fortunately I had that
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piece too:) It took forever, but I finally managed to get it to work. It
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took a lot of patience, but at the same time, I managed to learn quite a
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bit about the ins and outs of file transfers and the like.
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I know that people really don't like to pay for things, that over the last
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5 years have been free, but it seems like almost every place that I used to
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haunt has in some way had to go to a pay site, because the ad model just
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doesn't work.
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I for one would pay the fee for lack of pop up ads alone:)
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Regardless, If it has to be through e-mail I would be glad to help anyone
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get involved back in Apple IIs. Need any help?
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Dain Neater
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(A2.DAIN, Cat 2, Top 39, Msg 3)
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>>>>>
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"""""
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Dain, I appreciate the offer. I'll give you his e-mail address and let you
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talk to him.
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Steven Weyhrich <IX0YE>--<
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Apple II History
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http://apple2history.org
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(A2HISTORY, Cat 2, Top 39, Msg 4)
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>>>>>
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"""""
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My usergroup gets those kinds of questions a lot. We have a picture of the
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null modem pieces on our website....syndicomm.com/~gsaug
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Often have to explain to folks used to newer model computers that the GS
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doesn't need a hard drive. The OS is on the boot disk of the application.
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Sandy
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(PHOENIX, Cat 2, Top 39, Msg 5)
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[EOA]
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[LDP]
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THE Pioneer Laser Disc Player WITH THE IIgs?
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""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
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For anyone who might be interested -
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After a decade's search, I've recently acquired a Pioneer Laser Disc
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Player, model LD-V2200, which works like a champ with an Apple ][gs.
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(GREGN, Cat 6, Top 6, Msg 1)
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>>>>>
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"""""
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Editor's Note:
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Read "the rest of the story" in Juiced.GS sometime next year!
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[EOA]
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[WQW]
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THE WebQuest WEBSITE
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""""""""""""""""""""
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For those who might be interested -
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Please send the teachers you know to my WebQuest website, where they can
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learn all about WebQuest lessons and how effective they can be with
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students of all ages and abilities. These were a major portion of my
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Master's Final Project. I'd appreciate some feedback, especially from
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educators.
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If teachers would have their students use any or all of these six WebQuest
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lessons (see the top of the document for choices) and send me their
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feedback on how effective the WQ lessons were for students, suggestions on
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how to make the WQ lessons more effective, etc. Some links are provided
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for analysis of WQ lessons (rubric).
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Please note that as the internet is a constantly changing environment, some
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links may no longer be active. Please advise where this is the case and
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I'll update links whenever possible.
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The WQ lessons are designed with middle school, high school and young
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adults (community college for example) abilities in mind, with topics
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ranging from geography, history, political science, mathematics, education
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and others.
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These web documents and much of the associated research was completed on an
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Apple ][gs. Software included : AppleWorksGS, Spectrum, SAM, SIS, PMPFax,
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EgoEd, WebWorksGS, Allison, Super Convert and others.
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Enjoy !
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Greg Nelson, M.Ed.
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Teacher Consultant
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Lincoln NE USA
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gnelson@inetnebr.com
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http://incolor.inetnebr.com/gnelson/WQwater.html
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I am available for consultation, especially regarding curriculum
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design and implementation, distance education, instructional
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technology, geography, U.S. history, computer literacy.
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(GREGN, Cat 6, Top 14, Msg 1)
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[EOA]
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[UFM]
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ULTIMA IV AND THE MOCKINGBOARD
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""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
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I've had a lot of fun the last few weeks or so playing Ultima IV. I've got
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a Mockingboard set up (after Mark P. let me know that it worked with the
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Ultimas). That board puts out some nice tunes that go well with the game.
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It really showed how the IIe was pushed over the years. Cool Stuff.
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Does anyone know of any other games that supported the Mockingboard?
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Thanks,
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Dain Neater
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(A2.DAIN, Cat 14, Top 1, Msg 74)
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>>>>>
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"""""
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Replying to 'Dain' in Category 14 Topic 1:
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> Does anyone know of any other games that supported the Mockingboard?
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Skyfox, Music Construction Set, Berzap, .....
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Mark Percival - Syndicomm.com Apple II RTC Host
|
|
"Midweek Madness!" every Wednesday night.
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7:00 PM - 9:00 PM PDT
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(MARK, Cat 14, Top 1, Msg 75)
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[EOA]
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[ALP]
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ALPS GLIDEPOINT ADB-COMPATIBLE TRACKPAD
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"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
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I've come across a supply of ALPS Glidepoint ADB-compatible trackpads.
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|
These have been tested to be direct replacements for ADB mice on both IIGS
|
|
and Mac computers, and have 3 buttons that all act as the standard mouse
|
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button. If you're interested in these, email me (a2.howard @syndicomm.com)
|
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- $10.00 + $2.00 s/h. (They work well--and I prefer just moving my finger
|
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around than having to keep all that desk space open for a mouse. :) )
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Later.........Howard
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(A2.HOWARD, Cat 17, Top 21, Msg 9)
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>>>>>
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"""""
|
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Howard,
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What is a trackpad? Since you mention that they need less space than a
|
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mouse and pad, how big are they?
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MT Steve
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(S.BERNBAUM, Cat 17, Top 21, Msg 10)
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>>>>>
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"""""
|
|
The whole unit is something like 5"x4". A trackpad uses fingertip pressure
|
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on a square surface and change in pressure position to move the cursor.
|
|
This is pretty standard stuff on a lot of laptop computers in place of that
|
|
tiny trackball they used to build in. Like I said, these units are pretty
|
|
much "plug-and-play" with ADB mice on the 2 GS's and a couple of Macs that
|
|
I've tried them with. (well, on the Macs, I DID end up changing the mouse
|
|
tracking speed a bit. :) )
|
|
|
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Later.........Howard
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|
(A2.HOWARD, Cat 17, Top 21, Msg 11)
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>>>>>
|
|
"""""
|
|
>> What is a trackpad? <<
|
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It's a touch sensitive pad that has largely become the defacto built-in
|
|
pointing device on laptop computers, replacing trackballs and those icky
|
|
eraser type looking things stuck in your keyboard.
|
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|
|
Ryan
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|
(A2.RYAN, Cat 17, Top 21, Msg 12)
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>>>>>
|
|
"""""
|
|
I didn't care for the trackpads on my Powerbook, or on Sharon's iBook.
|
|
Neither did she. I got her a Pro Mouse. I've been using a Kensington
|
|
TurboMouse trackball on the GS for years. It has the stationary footprint
|
|
of a trackpad, and the smooth, predictable movement of a mouse. I don't
|
|
know if any GS compatible ADB trackballs are still available, though.
|
|
|
|
Carl Knoblock - Telephone Tech - Sat 16 Nov 02 12:19:38 am
|
|
cknoblo@applelinc.org - Via Spectrum v2.5.2 & SOAR v1.0b10
|
|
KFest 2003, July 22-27, 2003 - 249 days till KFest
|
|
On cable via LANceGS & Marinetti 2.0.1 - Thank you, Richard.
|
|
A2 RTC Staff - Saturday Night House Party - carlk@syndicomm.com
|
|
|
|
(CARLK, Cat 17, Top 21, Msg 17)
|
|
|
|
>>>>>
|
|
"""""
|
|
I don't mind Trackpads so much. To me they are the best solution out there
|
|
right now for laptops. Now for a GS, I am not so sure. The only real
|
|
problem I've ever had with them was that you could in effect, highlight
|
|
text and type over it if you aren't careful. Of course, they have since
|
|
come up with software on modern machines to disable the trackpad when
|
|
Typing, but I do remember a case where I was typing and I highlighted a
|
|
paragraph kept typing away and poof the paragraph was gone.
|
|
|
|
My IIgs still has the now 16 year old ADB mouse and it still works:) I
|
|
don't expect the new ones I buy to last more than a few years they are made
|
|
so cheaply. Still it is always nice to have more options for the IIGS.
|
|
|
|
Dain
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|
|
|
(A2.DAIN, Cat 17, Top 21, Msg 18)
|
|
|
|
>>>>>
|
|
"""""
|
|
I like trackpads for laptops. Otherwise I generally prefer a mouse.
|
|
|
|
Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.com
|
|
Owner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com
|
|
Building communities, bit by bit.
|
|
|
|
(SYNDICOMM, Cat 17, Top 21, Msg 19)
|
|
|
|
>>>>>
|
|
"""""
|
|
I dunno, I find the trackpads on portables to be the best overall solution.
|
|
While having a good mouse on a smooth surface is my first choice, when I'm
|
|
on the road, I don't usually have a smooth surface.
|
|
|
|
Ryan
|
|
|
|
(A2.RYAN, Cat 17, Top 21, Msg 20)
|
|
|
|
>>>>>
|
|
"""""
|
|
I use a separate trackball with my PowerBook, and I take it with me when
|
|
I travel to hotel/dorm rooms. Lately, though, I find myself using my
|
|
trackpad more often, even in those situations; with it being so close to
|
|
the keyboard, it's more convenient to not move my hands off the computer
|
|
and onto the trackball.
|
|
|
|
-Ken
|
|
|
|
(KGAGNE, Cat 17, Top 21, Msg 21)
|
|
[EOA]
|
|
|
|
|
|
[CDR]
|
|
CD-ROM DRIVE ON THE IIgs WITH Apple REV. C SCSI CARD
|
|
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
|
|
I just installed an Apple SCSI card in my ROM 3 GS, in slot 1, and plugged
|
|
an Apple CD300 into it. Two questions. It takes a lot longer to load GSOS
|
|
(6.0.1) when the drive is connected and turned on. Why?
|
|
|
|
Second, if the CD drive is turned off, or not even connected to the SCSI
|
|
card, the computer crashes while GSOS is booting. Why?
|
|
|
|
...Riff
|
|
|
|
(RIFF, Cat 19, Top 19, Msg 8)
|
|
|
|
>>>>>
|
|
"""""
|
|
Have you anything else on the SCSI chain? Perhaps you have a termination
|
|
problem here. If you could tell us your exact setup, the order you have the
|
|
devices on the chain, their SCSI IDs, and how they are terminated, it might
|
|
help give us some clues.
|
|
|
|
Ewen Wannop - Speccie - Fri 22 Nov 2002 - 242 days till KFest '03
|
|
Delivered without using a IIgs by Spectrum v2.5.3 & SOAR 1.0b11
|
|
Setup: Bernie ][ the Rescue 3.0 and a dual G4/800Mhz GeForce3
|
|
http://www.ewannop.btinternet.co.uk/
|
|
|
|
(CONDUCTOR, Cat 19, Top 19, Msg 9)
|
|
|
|
>>>>>
|
|
"""""
|
|
What Ewen said. I'd also point out that you're technically not supposed to
|
|
have any powered-off devices on your SCSI bus when the computer is on.
|
|
I don't know why, but I've heard this from several reliable sources. :)
|
|
|
|
Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.com
|
|
Owner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com
|
|
Building communities, bit by bit.
|
|
|
|
(SYNDICOMM, Cat 19, Top 19, Msg 10)
|
|
|
|
>>>>>
|
|
"""""
|
|
The CD drive is the only SCSI device connected to the SCSI card right
|
|
now... it's ID is set to 3. The drive came with a thing that could be a
|
|
terminator... I don't know. I got it used with no docs. It's a block that
|
|
plugs into one of the connectors on the drive, but has an opposite gender
|
|
plug on the other end of the block. I plugged in it when I set it up.
|
|
|
|
...Riff
|
|
|
|
(RIFF, Cat 19, Top 19, Msg 11)
|
|
|
|
>>>>>
|
|
"""""
|
|
That is indeed a terminator, and assuming the drive is not already
|
|
terminated internally, should be plugged in to the drive, with the cable
|
|
connected to the SCSI card.
|
|
|
|
Without having the instructions for the drive, and the settings of its
|
|
jumpers, it may be impossible to find out if it is already terminated or
|
|
not. Double termination can cause as many problems as no termination. You
|
|
could try without the terminator connected and see what happens.
|
|
|
|
As Sheppy says, the drive in theory should be turned on if connected,
|
|
though often it is safe not to do so.
|
|
|
|
SCSI cables can be 'bad' and also cause problems. Have you got another one
|
|
that you can substitute with?
|
|
|
|
I have no other clues as to what might be going wrong for you.
|
|
|
|
Ewen Wannop - Speccie - Sat 23 Nov 2002 - 241 days till KFest '03
|
|
Delivered without using a IIgs by Spectrum v2.5.3 & SOAR 1.0b11
|
|
Setup: Bernie ][ the Rescue 3.0 and a dual G4/800Mhz GeForce3
|
|
http://www.ewannop.btinternet.co.uk/
|
|
|
|
(CONDUCTOR, Cat 19, Top 19, Msg 12)
|
|
|
|
>>>>>
|
|
"""""
|
|
Well, the Apple SCSI card I am using is a Rev C. From what Sheppy sez,
|
|
I just need to have the drive on when booting. Not a problem. Though
|
|
I don't understand why it would crash with the scsi card in place and
|
|
enabled with nothing connected to it at all..
|
|
|
|
Since don't use the CD drive all the time, I've addressed this issue by
|
|
simply setting the slot the card is in to something else other than "Your
|
|
Card", when I'm not going to be using it.
|
|
|
|
What no one has addressed yet, is my first question as to why it takes
|
|
longer to boot with the drive connected and on. Or if you have, I missed
|
|
the association. Let me detail it a bit more:
|
|
|
|
With the CD drive on, booting will progress with the sliding bar going all
|
|
the way to the end, then stops. At first, it looks like it is locked up.
|
|
Which is what I thought, until I decided to wait longer - like 2.5 min.
|
|
Then it continues and brings up the desktop and finishes the bootup.
|
|
I don't have an accelerator yet - I would expect this wait time to improve
|
|
a lot after I get one.
|
|
|
|
I did try it without the terminator connected. It never would finish
|
|
booting, so I guess I need it connected. :)
|
|
|
|
One other detail - I have a Focus hard drive card. Normally, during the
|
|
'sliding bar' display, there will be a black blinking drive activity
|
|
indicator in the upper right corner. When the CD is on, this isn't there
|
|
until after we get past the sliding bar thing.
|
|
|
|
...Riff
|
|
|
|
(RIFF, Cat 19, Top 19, Msg 14)
|
|
|
|
>>>>>
|
|
"""""
|
|
>> What no one has addressed yet, is my first question as to why it takes
|
|
longer to boot with the drive connected and on. <<
|
|
|
|
I haven't used a Rev. C SCSI card in years and years, so I'm not sure how
|
|
well it supports CD ROM drives. It would need a driver for the CD-ROM
|
|
drive, and I'm assuming (since I haven't used one with a CD-ROM drive ever)
|
|
the drivers including with 6.0.1 are the proper ones.
|
|
|
|
Is there a CD in the drive or not?
|
|
|
|
What I -think- is happening here is that the SCSI bus is being polled and
|
|
either (1) because the drive is empty (2) because the drivers are confused
|
|
(3) because the SCSI bus has termination or terminator power issues or (4)
|
|
because the card expects there to be a writable device on it (I don't know
|
|
if this happens with Apple branded SCSI cards, but it happens with the
|
|
RAMFast) it takes a long time to finish the polling.
|
|
|
|
>> One other detail - I have a Focus hard drive card. Normally, during the
|
|
'sliding bar' display, there will be a black blinking drive activity
|
|
indicator in the upper right corner. When the CD is on, this isn't there
|
|
until after we get past the sliding bar thing. <<
|
|
|
|
I would guess the Focus Driver is not loaded until after the SCSI bus
|
|
polling (which I'm assuming is the delay) is done.
|
|
|
|
Ryan
|
|
|
|
(A2.RYAN, Cat 19, Top 19, Msg 15)
|
|
|
|
>>>>>
|
|
"""""
|
|
Well, that was interesting. I just tried it with a CD in the drive, and
|
|
the system booted normally, and very quickly. Looks like the thing to do
|
|
would be to just keep the drive loaded. :)
|
|
|
|
Thanx everyone!
|
|
|
|
...Riff
|
|
|
|
(RIFF, Cat 19, Top 19, Msg 16)
|
|
|
|
>>>>>
|
|
"""""
|
|
>> Well, that was interesting. I just tried it with a CD in the drive, and
|
|
the system booted normally, and very quickly. <<
|
|
|
|
This is probably an artifact of the so-so CD-ROM support in Rev. C SCSI
|
|
cards.
|
|
|
|
Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.com
|
|
Owner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com
|
|
Building communities, bit by bit.
|
|
|
|
(SYNDICOMM, Cat 19, Top 19, Msg 17)
|
|
|
|
>>>>>
|
|
"""""
|
|
Having run this setup too, it seems that the Rev C card doesn't really
|
|
understand removable media well. I always kept a CD in the drive with the
|
|
Rev C. Now that I have a HS SCSI I don't have the problem.
|
|
|
|
Kim
|
|
|
|
(KIMHOWE, Cat 19, Top 19, Msg 19)
|
|
[EOA]
|
|
|
|
|
|
[JOT]
|
|
Juiced.GS VOL 7 ISSUE 4 ON TRACK
|
|
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
|
|
Juiced.GS Volume 7 Issue 4 is looking on track for December shipment.
|
|
|
|
Hopefully, a right side up December shipment.
|
|
|
|
Ryan
|
|
Editor-in-Chief, A2 Chief Sysop, Head Geek, etc.
|
|
|
|
(RSUENAGA, Cat 23, Top 2, Msg 395)
|
|
[EOA]
|
|
|
|
|
|
[RDL]
|
|
WHAT I REALLY DO FOR A LIVING
|
|
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
|
|
I am a Family Practice physician in Omaha, Nebraska.
|
|
|
|
Steven Weyhrich <IX0YE>--<
|
|
Apple II History
|
|
http://apple2history.org
|
|
|
|
(A2HISTORY, Cat 50, Top 2, Msg 8)
|
|
|
|
>>>>>
|
|
"""""
|
|
I'm a lab assistant at Athena Diagnostics.
|
|
|
|
Read more about it in the next issue of Juiced.GS. :)
|
|
|
|
-Ken
|
|
|
|
(KGAGNE, Cat 50, Top 2, Msg 9)
|
|
|
|
>>>>>
|
|
"""""
|
|
FWIW, I'm an educator, with training & expertise in geography, U.S.
|
|
history, instructional technology and curriculum development. Please call
|
|
me collect if you need a certified Teacher Consultant. BTW, if anyone is
|
|
keeping score, most of my recent Master's work was done on my Apple ][gs.
|
|
|
|
Greg
|
|
http://incolor.inetnebr.com/gnelson/WQwater.html
|
|
|
|
(GREGN, Cat 50, Top 2, Msg 10)
|
|
[EOA]
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
[ANS]-------------------------------
|
|
ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM SYNDICOMM |
|
|
------------------------------------
|
|
|
|
by Lyle Syverson <lyle@foxvalley.net>
|
|
|
|
[NMA]
|
|
Syndicomm now has a new mailing address!
|
|
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
|
|
Future mailings to Syndicomm should be directed to:
|
|
|
|
Syndicomm
|
|
PMB 179
|
|
576 Foothills Plaza Dr
|
|
Maryville TN 37801
|
|
|
|
Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.com
|
|
Owner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com
|
|
Building communities, bit by bit.
|
|
|
|
(SYNDICOMM, HelpDesk Bulletin Board, Cat 4, Top 2, Msg 45)
|
|
[EOA]
|
|
|
|
|
|
[TSU]
|
|
TO SIGN UP FOR SYNDICOMM ONLINE
|
|
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
|
|
Please visit our web site at http://www.syndicomm.com for information or to
|
|
sign up!
|
|
|
|
(Logon message)
|
|
[EOA]
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
[TTC]-------------------------------
|
|
THE TINKERER'S CORNER |
|
|
------------------------------------
|
|
|
|
by Lyle Syverson <lyle@foxvalley.net>
|
|
|
|
One Disk Approach to the Installation of System 6.0.1 on the IIgs
|
|
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|
|
By Lyle Syverson
|
|
|
|
If you have ever installed System 6.0.1 on a hard drive for the IIgs you
|
|
remember the juggling game you played with the installation disks as the
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installer requested this disk and that disk. Wouldn't it be nice if you
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could boot up a single disk and have all the necessary software available
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to the installer?
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What You Will Need
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''''''''''''''''''
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1. A IIgs with a hard drive.
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2. A removable media drive such as the Zip 100 or Syquest 44/88.
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(Could also be done using a second hard drive).
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3. A set of installation disks for System 6.0.1.
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Where to Get What You Need
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''''''''''''''''''''''''''
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1. Thrift stores.
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2. Garage sales.
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3. Usenet... comp.sys.apple2.marketplace
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4. A2 on Syndicomm
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5. LEM-Swap list <http://lowendmac.com/lists/swap.html>
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6. Alltech Electronics <http://www.allelec.com/indexa2.html">
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8. Other World Computer <http://www.macsales.com/">
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9. A2Central.com (System disks, if needed)
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Procedure
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'''''''''
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1. If necessary, refer to The Tinkerer's Corner in the July issue of
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_The Lamp!_ (TLMP0207.) for information on setting up SCSI devices
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on the Apple II computers.
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2. Insert a disk in the "removable media drive" and partition it with five
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1MB partitions with a temporary name for each. Partition the remainder
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of the space with any preferred size of partitions.
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3. Copy all the files from the Install disk to the first partition. Change
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the name of this partition to Install.
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4. Copy all files from the disks named SystemTools1, SystemTools2, Fonts,
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and synthLAB to the second, third, fourth and fifth partitions. Rename
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each partition the name of the disk the files came from.
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Using the "One Disk Installer"
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''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
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Set the SCSI id number to a value higher than any other SCSI device on the
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SCSI chain. Insert the disk in the "removable media drive" and boot the
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IIgs. Install or customize the system on the hard drive to be used
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regularly on the IIgs. Shut down the IIgs.
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Set the SCSI id number on your "removable media drive" to a number lower
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than your regular hard drive. Boot the IIgs from your regular hard drive
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and you are in business.
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Store back-ups and files for installing patches, etc. on the other
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partitions of your "one disk installer".
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[EOA]
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YOU ARE INVITED
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"""""""""""""""
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You are invited to submit your favorite Tinkerer's Project for the Apple II
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computers.
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Send your write up or idea to Lyle Syverson, Editor <lyle@FoxValley.net>
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The Editor reserves the right to edit any material submitted.
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The Editor reserves the right to reject any material he considers
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unsuitable for publication in _The Lamp!_.
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[EOA]
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[LTE]-------------------------------
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LETTERS TO THE EDITOR |
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------------------------------------
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Letter to the Editor
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""""""""""""""""""""
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Lyle,
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I've noticed that The Lamp! calls itself "An Onipa'a Software Production".
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I didn't see this in Ryan's "Hawai'ian Language 101 Department" articles
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back in 1998. What does "Onipa'a" mean?
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Steven Weyhrich <IX0YE>--<
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Apple II History
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http://apple2history.org
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(Steven Weyhrich, Nov 18, 2002)
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>>>>>
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"""""
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Reply to Letter to the Editor
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"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
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"Onipa'a" means "Steadfast". It was the motto of Queen Liliuokalani, the
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last monarch of the Kingdom of Hawaii.
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So The Lamp! is... An Onipa'a Software Production... A Steadfast Software
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Production.
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Lyle Syverson <lyle@FoxValley.net>
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[EOA]
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AN INVITATION
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Express your opinions about the comings and goings in the world of the
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Apple II computers.
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Send your comments to Lyle Syverson, Editor <lyle@FoxValley.net>
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The Editor reserves the right to edit any material submitted.
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The Editor reserves the right to reject any material he considers
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unsuitable for publication in _The Lamp!_.
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[EOA]
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[KFT]------------------------------
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KFest 2003 |
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-----------------------------------
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[PBT]
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KFest 2003 - PLAN TO BE THERE!
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""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
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KansasFest 2003 is planned for July 22-27, 2003 at Avila University in
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Kansas City, Missouri.
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(Entrance banner, Cat 5, Top 5)
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[EOA]
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[VKF]
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FOR MORE INFORMATION VISIT THE KFest HOME PAGE
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""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
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KFest Home Page
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http://www.kfest.org/
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[EOA]
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[INN]------------------------------
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EXTRA INNINGS |
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-----------------------------------
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About The Lamp! The Lamp! is published on the fifteenth of every month on
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""""""""""""""" the WEB at: http://lamp.a2central.com/
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This publication produced entirely with real or emulated Apple II computers
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using Appleworks 5.1 and Hermes. Apple II Forever!
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* The Lamp! is (c) copyright 2002 by Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W. All
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rights reserved.
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* To reach The Lamp! on Internet email send mail to
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thelamp@sheppyware.net
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* All issues of The Lamp! are available at The Lamp! Home Page,
|
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http://lamp.a2central.com/
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Opinions expressed herein are those of the individual authors, and do not
|
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necessarily represent the opinions of A2Central.com, Delphi Online
|
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Services, Syndicomm, Ryan M. Suenaga, or Lyle Syverson. Forum messages are
|
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reprinted verbatim and are included in this publication with permission
|
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from the individual authors. A2Central.com, Delphi Online Services,
|
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Syndicomm, Ryan M. Suenaga, and Lyle Syverson do not guarantee the accuracy
|
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or suitability of any information included herein. We reserve the right to
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edit all letters and copy.
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Material published in this edition may not be reprinted without the
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expressed written consent of the publisher. Registered computer user
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groups, not for profit publications , and other interested parties may
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write the publisher to apply for permission to reprint any or all material.
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[EOF]
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