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>>> WELCOME TO THE LAMP! <<<
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
THE BEST OF THE A2 BULLETIN BOARD ON Syndicomm Online
AND THE BEST OF THE DELPHI A2 AND A2PRO MESSAGE BOARDS
"Teaching the Apple II user how to fish since 1998"
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The Lamp! An Onipa'a Software Production Vol. 5, No. 2
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Publisher................................Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W.
Editor.....................................................Lyle Syverson
Internet Email, Publisher.........................thelamp@sheppyware.net
Internet Email, Editor................................lyle@FoxValley.net
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TABLE OF CONTENTS
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February 15, 2002
HIGH ABOVE THE ROCK RIVER---------------------------------------------[OPN]
In Anticipation of Spring
In Anticipation of K-Fest
A2 FORUM AT Syndicomm Online (A2Central.com) DISTILLATIONS
Silvern Castle v7.3 Available for Download-----------------------[SCV]
Platinum Paint via The Lost Classics Project---------------------[LCA]
Beagle Bros Software via The Lost Classics Project---------------[LCB]
AppleWorks 5.1 Crashing on Second Launch From GS/OS Finder-------[AWC]
Classic AppleTalk Support on a Mac Running OS X------------------[CAX]
Alternate TCPIP Stack for Apple II?------------------------------[ATS]
The Original Apple II Version of Castle Wolfenstein--------------[OCW]
Disposal of and Reuse of Printer Ink Cartridges------------------[PIC]
Compact Flash Reader for the Apple II----------------------------[CFR]
Differences Among the Various Apple IIe's------------------------[DAE]
Troubleshooting an Apple IIe - Linux Box Setup-------------------[ATL]
Marinetti Available on Disk--------------------------------------[MOD]
SAM Dislikes More Than Fourteen Archive Folders------------------[SDM]
Precision Limitations of BASIC-----------------------------------[PLB]
Babelfish--------------------------------------------------------[BFH]
ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM SYNDICOMM
To Sign up for Syndicomm Online----------------------------------[TSU]
The Story of Douglas---------------------------------------------[TSD]
The Role Playing Games Forum-------------------------------------[RPG]
The Family Fun and Games Forum-----------------------------------[FFG]
New Features/Bugfixes Applied to Bulletin Board System-----------[NFB]
DELPHI A2 DISTILLATIONS
Connecting a IIgs to a PC Using Marinetti (cont.)----------------[GSP]
New Version of KEGS32--------------------------------------------[NVK]
Apple IIgs Motherboard Problem-----------------------------------[GMP]
LETTERS TO THE EDITOR
Letter to the Editor---------------------------------------------[LTE]
Reply to Letter--------------------------------------------------[RTL]
An Invitation----------------------------------------------------[LTE]
KFEST 2002
Plan Ahead for K-Fest 2002---------------------------------------[PAK]
Anticipation... K-FEST 2002--------------------------------------[AKF]
EXTRA INNINGS
About The Lamp! ------------------------------------------------ [INN]
[*] [*] [*]
READING THE LAMP! The index system used by The Lamp! is designed to make
""""""""""""""""" your reading easier. To use this system, load this
issue into any word processor or text editor. In the index you will find
something like:
EXTRA INNINGS
About The Lamp! ------------------------------------------------ [INN]
To read this article, simply use your search or find command to locate
[INN]. There is a similar tag at the end of each article: [EOA].
[OPN]-------------------------------
HIGH ABOVE THE ROCK RIVER |
------------------------------------
From The Editor
"""""""""""""""
by Lyle Syverson <lyle@FoxValley.net>
In Anticipation of Spring
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From High Above The Rock River, the late Winter wind is pushing the
gray clouds rapidly across the sky... a hint of blue here and there. The
water in the river below is churned up into large waves... whitecaps
jumping against the current. Just a mile to the north sits the Sinnissippi
Park greenhouse, next to the river. Come... let us go for a sample of
Spring... lets us visit the greenhouse.
The wind bites our noses as we walk the bridge over the river. Along
the trail a lone jogger leans his body into the wind... his face red from
the cold wind rushing past him. A strong gust of wind forces a burst of
old, dry leaves across the trail. The Mallard ducks sitting along the bank
have their beaks tucked under their wings. The tennis courts are silent,
except for the sign slapping against the fence. The benches positioned
next to the river are deserted.
At last... inside the greenhouse we smell the moisture of the warm
air. No wind. We are visiting another climate. The many beautiful blooms
are truly inspiring... the reds, yellows, blues, purples.
In the back section are flats of barren soil. A tag proclaims what
has been planted in each of these flats. It has been anticipated that
there will be places along that windy trail we have walked today for
flowers... flowers that will thrive in the new season.
In Anticipation of K-Fest
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A visit to the section of this issue devoted to K-Fest indicates that
people are getting anxious for another visit to Kansas City to honor the
Apple II. Will you be among those who will make this pilgrimage? We hope
so!
[EOA]
ASCII ART BEGINS
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| | | ___ \ / __ \ | | /____ \ | v v | | v ___ \ | |
| | | | | | | /__\ \ | | ____| | | /\ /\ | | / \ \ | |
| | | | | | | _____| | | / ___ | | || || | | | | | |_|
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ASCII ART ENDS
[EOA]
---------------------------------------------------
DISTILLATIONS FROM The A2 FORUM at Syndicomm.com |
(A2Central.com) |
---------------------------------------------------
by Lyle Syverson <lyle@foxvalley.net>
[SCV]
SILVERN CASTLE v7.3 AVAILABLE FOR DOWNLOAD
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
I am reposting this announcement to make a correction. I apologize to those
of you who had to read it twice.
We have a new upload in the games/adventure/prodos8 directory.
File: scupd73.bxy
Size: 328320
Date: Jan 31
Silvern Castle is a freeware role-playing game written by Jeff Fink. This
update, 7.3 adds the following:
Major Bugs fixed:
- Automapping while inside the moat
- AC Problems with some cursed armour types
Major Changes:
- Faster combat multi-monster spell displays
- Faster HP healing display at Red Dragon Inn
Note that this is a complete package. There is no need to download V7 or
any previous versions. It includes everything to update old versions or
create new stand alone setup.
(A2.TONY, Cat 2, Top 37, Msg 3)
[EOA]
[LCA]
PLATINUM PAINT VIA THE LOST CLASSICS PROJECT
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
A new upload to the multimedia/graphics/applications/16-bit directory:
File: platpaint20.bxy
Size: 472704
Date: Jan 31
Platinum Paint is a full-featured GS/OS painting program for the Apple IIGS
which allows the user to create and modify images for use on an Apple II,
as well as store them in a variety of formats. Originally published by
Beagle.Bros and copyrighted by Matt Reimer, this program has been released
as freeware via The Lost Classics Project by the copyright holder.
(A2.TONY, Cat 2, Top 37, Msg 4)
[EOA]
[LCB]
BEAGLE BROS SOFTWARE VIA THE LOST CLASSICS PROJECT
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Two new uploads to the beagle_bros directory:
File: gsfonteditr.bxy
Size: 226560
Date: Jan 31
GSFont Editor allows you to create and modify fonts for use with an Apple
II, as well as save them in different formats. It runs under ProDOS and is
usable on 8-bit Apple IIs. Published and copyrighted by Beagle.Bros, this
program has been released as freeware via The Lost Classics Project by the
copyright holder, Mark Simonsen.
File: bot2.bxy
Size: 75264
Date: Jan 31
Bag of Tricks 2 is the ProDOS version of this versatile repair program.
Allows you to save and repair both files and disks. Originally published
by Quality Software, this program has been released as freeware via The
Lost Classics Project by the copyright holders, Don Worth and Pieter
Lechner.
(A2.TONY, Cat 2, Top 37, Msg 5)
[EOA]
[AWC]
APPLEWORKS 5.1 CRASHING ON SECOND LAUNCH FROM GS/OS FINDER
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
I apologize for not distributing 'my' (apologies to Bredon) fix for this
annoying problem. I wanted to get it 'presentable' before I released it on
the world (and perhaps make damn sure that it fixed the problem for good
for others). Right now it requires hardcoding your _complete_ pathname for
your APLWORKS.SYSTEM file using a block editor, and most folks don't find
this convenient.
In a nutshell, I took (stole, borrowed) the code that ProSel 16 uses prior
to launching a ProDOS 8 program (e.g. AppleWorks 5.1), hardcoded my
AppleWorks 5.1 full pathname into it, renamed it as StartAW.System, and
saved it as a ProDOS 8 SYS file.
Now, I launch this file from the Finder and it in turn, launches
AppleWorks. Now, I _never_ crash upon the second (or third, or ... ) launch
of AppleWorks from the Finder, either on a 'real' GS or in Bernie. The late
Professor Bredon had a few tricks up his sleeve, and from what I can
deduce, his routine plays with memory and interrupts. His tricks work, too.
If you (or anyone else) would like to test this (and are experiencing the
'crash' problem on a fairly consistent basis), please send me your
_complete_ pathname for APLWORKS.SYSTEM, I'll hard code it into the file,
and e-mail it back to you for you to test. Just send your info to me at:
hughhood@earthlink.net
Unfortunately, I don't have any source code for the Bredon routines, and
I haven't had the time to disassemble them well enough to write any.
Hugh...
(HUGHHOOD, Cat 9, Top 26, Msg 7)
[EOA]
[CAX]
CLASSIC AppleTalk SUPPORT ON A MAC RUNNING OS X
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Has anyone tried switching on classic AppleTalk support in OS X and seeing
if their IIgs can connect to their Mac via a LocalTalk to Ethernet bridge?
I switched on classic AppleTalk on my PowerBook, but since it's on AirPort,
the IIgs can't see it, and I haven't gotten around to doing a hard-wire on
the Mac yet. :)
Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.com
Owner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com
Building communities, bit by bit.
(SYNDICOMM, Cat 10, Top 6, Msg 15)
>>>>>
"""""
I wasn't aware that OS X supported classic Appletalk. Is this something
new? How do you turn it on?
I'll run a cable and give it a try.
Kim Howe
Newton Forum Host
(KIMHOWE, Cat 10, Top 6, Msg 16)
>>>>>
"""""
If you turn on AppleTalk in Classic, some of the functionality (I hesitate
to say all) exists in both 9 and X. However, I'm also on Airport (well, a
compatible equivalent :) and I'm too cluttered right now to run a cable.
Ryan
(A2.RYAN, Cat 10, Top 6, Msg 17)
>>>>>
"""""
There's a hidden preference, buried in a plist file somewhere, that lets
you turn on classic AppleTalk. I wish I still had the bookmark for the web
site that talks about it; I found a link to it on one of the Mac sites I
read regularly but of course I don't remember which.
Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.com
Owner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com
Building communities, bit by bit.
(SYNDICOMM, Cat 10, Top 6, Msg 18)
>>>>>
"""""
Hey, I found that link to information on how to turn on classic AppleTalk.
It's on a page talking about how to make System 6 Macs keep running in a
Mac OS X world:
http://www.euronet.nl/users/mvdk/osx.html
Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.com
Owner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com
Building communities, bit by bit.
(SYNDICOMM, Cat 10, Top 6, Msg 19)
>>>>>
"""""
I followed the instructions on that site and turned on the Classic
Appletalk support. I have confirmed that I can connect via localtalk bridge
to the Cube running OS X. Pretty cool. (So far I've done it with an SE/30,
I don't have a long enough cable to reach the GS at present, but there's no
reason why it wouldn't work.) I'll be getting a longer cable and Networking
the GS in soon. This is really cool. The lack of Classic Appletalk support
was the thing I missed most in going to OS X!
Kim Howe
Newton Forum Host
(KIMHOWE, Cat 10, Top 6, Msg 20)
>>>>>
"""""
Hm. It doesn't work over my unofficial wireless setup either. Once I get
the 8500 running OS X (another unofficial setup), I'll check it out myself
again.
Ryan
(A2.RYAN, Cat 10, Top 6, Msg 21)
>>>>>
"""""
Yeah, classic AppleTalk has never in my experience worked across an 802.11b
connection.
Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.com
Owner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com
Building communities, bit by bit.
(SYNDICOMM, Cat 10, Top 6, Msg 22)
>>>>>
"""""
It actually has for me, in OS 9, in my official unofficial wireless setup,
as opposed to in OS X, which is my unofficial unofficial wireless setup :)
Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. - rsuenaga@apple2.org - A2's Head Geek
Alpha Testing CoPilot v2.55 and ProTERM 3.1
Offline Syndicomm.com Message Manager
(A2.RYAN, Cat 10, Top 6, Msg 23)
[EOA]
[ATS]
ALTERNATE TCPIP STACK FOR Apple II?
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
I wonder if Marinetti development has stalled completely, we could do
something with the tcp/ip stack given here. http://dunkels.com/adam/uip/
It seems to find the approximate size requirements. I haven't researched
it any more though.
Wayne
(WAYNER, Cat 11, Top 15, Msg 30)
>>>>>
"""""
I don't know what the current status of Marinetti is. However I can't see
an alternate TCPIP stack being a bad thing. :)
Mark Percival - Syndicomm.com Apple II RTC Host
"Midweek Madness!" every Wednesday night.
7:00 PM - 9:00 PM PDT
(MARK, Cat 11, Top 15, Msg 31)
>>>>>
"""""
To make any sense, an alternate TCP/IP stack would have to follow exactly
the same interface TCP/IP Tool calls that Marinetti has, as I can't see all
the existing TCP/IP aware applications being updated to handle two entirely
different stacks...
Ewen Wannop - Speccie - Thu 31 Jan 2002 - 173 days till KFest '02
Delivered without using a IIgs by Spectrum v2.5.2 & SOAR 1.0b5
Setup: Bernie ][ the Rescue 3.0 and a dual G4/800Mhz GeForce3
http://www.ewannop.btinternet.co.uk/
(CONDUCTOR, Cat 11, Top 15, Msg 32)
>>>>>
"""""
I agree. I can't see any sense in trying to develop another stack. Also
from what I've seen on the MOSP site and recent postings there's quite a
bit of work happening to Marinetti. I'm hoping to have a closer look at
what's going in the in the coming weeks. If we can get a couple of problems
cleaned up (and it looks like we can) the future for TCPIP on the GS is
looking good.
Kim Howe
Newton Forum Host
(KIMHOWE, Cat 11, Top 15, Msg 35)
>>>>>
"""""
I think, if possible, investing time in fixing Marinetti issues (and
writing Marinetti-aware applications) would pay off more than porting a new
TCP implementation.
The GS/TCP gnome stack was ported and look how long it remained "in
development" :) The Marinetti stack exists today and works. And the
number of people that have the time or desire to understand what goes on
behind the scenes is limited.
Of course, if Marinetti has gone as far as it can go, the small number of
marinetti-aware apps wouldn't prevent the adoption of a different TCP
implementation.
(KWS, Cat 11, Top 15, Msg 33)
>>>>>
"""""
Just wanted to get a little conversation going.
Glad to see the MOSP is still in development.
W
(WAYNER, Cat 11, Top 15, Msg 36)
[EOA]
[OCW]
THE ORIGINAL Apple II VERSION OF CASTLE WOLFENSTEIN
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
I received a recent message from a Juiced.GS reader asking about the
original Castle Wolfenstein game program for the Apple II.
I've looked around on the Web, but can find no reference to the Apple II
version of the game anywhere, including on Activision's Web site.
Can anyone enlighten me about the history and current status of the
original Apple II version of the Wolfenstein game? Does anyone know if it's
freely available, and, if so, where I might find it?
Thanks ...
Max Jones
Juiced.GS
(JUICEDGS, Cat 14, Top 2, Msg 42)
>>>>>
"""""
Max,
Castle Wolfenstein is unavailable. A recovery attempt was made by the Lost
Classics program some time ago, but I believe the end story was that the
programmer had lent his hard drive to a friend, who fried it. The source
code ended up in the city dump.
You wouldn't find anything at Activision.com as their acquisition of the
series is fairly recent; I think they've published only the most recent
(2001) sequel, Return to Castle Wolfenstein. The original game was created
by id and published by Apogee, and has since been associated with such
companies as Imagineer, Interplay, and Vitesse.
There are some downloadable ROMs on the Internet, but since the game is
still copyrighted, these files fall under the same legal gray/black area as
many other emulation issues.
The game's controls are listed at
http://www.gamewinners.com/faq.php?game=c/CastleWolfenstein-Moose.txt
The game itself is listed as one of the major software releases of 1981 at
http://apple2history.org/a/appy/aha81.html
The CSA2 gaming FAQ has an email from John Romero; here's an excerpt:
"That summer of 1992, just after Wolf3D was released, John Carmack and i
drove to Kansas City for one of the last A2-Central conferences. We
brought a laptop and a copy of Wolf3d with us because, lo and behold, Tom
Weishaar got ahold of Silas Warner (creator of the original Castle
Wolfenstein) and had Silas give a seminar. What a night. Carmack and i
sat out in the hallway for hours talking to Silas and Bill Heineman about
all kinds of old A2 stuff. We have an original Wolf3D manual with Silas'
signature."
I can dig up my GEnie messages on this topic if you like.
-Ken
(KGAGNE, Cat 14, Top 2, Msg 43)
>>>>>
"""""
I attended that K-Fest (the one and only - sigh!) and I can remember being
blown away by this laptop showing a *rapidly* changing, colored and
textured, 3-D maze, with lots of action and sound effects.
(I can also remember, as a spectator, getting a little bored watching
because the demonstrator obviously knew what to do (and when to do it) and
so had little trouble. I guess it's like that when developers demo their
own apps! :-)
Peter peterw@syndicomm.com
Palm OS Community Bulletin Board Manager
(PETERW, Cat 14, Top 2, Msg 44)
>>>>>
"""""
Ken:
Thanks a bunch. That's great info ...
I'm assuming then that the only way for one to obtain the program is by
purchasing a used copy. Too bad ... such an historic piece of software lost
for the ages, at least in any practical sense for new or reborn Apple II
users.
-- Max
(JUICEDGS, Cat 14, Top 2, Msg 45)
>>>>>
"""""
Max,
I suppose Lost Classics could always try again to contact Silas Warner.
His copies may be fried, but they do exist. All it'd take is his
permission to create the legal opportunity to upload and distribute the
game.
If your reader is looking to find a used copy, there don't seem to be any
on eBay at the moment.
Also, regarding the Wolfenstein series, I posted:
>> The original game was created by id and published by Apogee <<
I was thinking of the PC game "Wolfenstein 3D". I don't know who published
the Apple II game.
-Ken
(KGAGNE, Cat 14, Top 2, Msg 46)
>>>>>
"""""
The original Castle Wolfenstein was published by Muse Software.
Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.com
Owner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com
Building communities, bit by bit.
(SYNDICOMM, Cat 14, Top 2, Msg 47)
[EOA]
[PIC]
DISPOSAL OF AND REUSE OF PRINTER INK CARTRIDGES
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
I was at the post office today and saw a dispenser of free, postage-paid,
plastic envelopes in which to dispose of inkjet cartridges. Just put the
cartridge back in the original packaging (which you have on hand when
installing a new one), put it in the envelope, seal it, and drop it in the
mail. The Post Office will recycle or otherwise properly dispose of it.
-Ken
(KGAGNE, Cat 17, Top 25, Msg 29)
>>>>>
"""""
Office Depot, for one, sells refilled used ink cartridges which I think
they call "refurbished".
Ink is the biggest racket in the legal world. If you think gas is
expensive, you ain't seen nothing compared to ink. It is cheaper to run a
laser than an inkjet, probably by an order of magnitude if not two.
Ryan
(A2.RYAN, Cat 17, Top 25, Msg 30)
[EOA]
[CFR]
COMPACT FLASH READER FOR THE Apple II
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Found this little tidbit on slashdot.
http://dreher.net/CFforAppleII/
Wayne
hint: It's a compact flash reader for the apple //
(WAYNER, Cat 17, Top 30, Msg 1)
>>>>>
"""""
It still amazes me after all these years that people still take the time
and hack together a new device. It's too bad there aren't more people
still tinkering around.
Dain Neater
A2 Syndicomm BB Manager
(A2.DAIN, Cat 17, Top 30, Msg 2)
>>>>>
"""""
OK... What is a compact flash reader?
Lyle Syverson <lyle@FoxValley.net> Editor, _The Lamp!_
published monthly at: http://lamp.a2central.com/
(LYLE, Cat 17, Top 30, Msg 4)
>>>>>
"""""
CompactFlash is a persistent, compact, storage medium commonly used by
digital cameras.
Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.com
Owner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com
Building communities, bit by bit.
(SYNDICOMM, Cat 17, Top 30, Msg 5)
>>>>>
"""""
It would also make a pretty cool highly crash proof storage medium.
(WAYNER, Cat 17, Top 30, Msg 7)
>>>>>
"""""
The CompactFlash project is interesting to me more for the interchange of
data than anything else.
Ryan
(A2.RYAN, Cat 17, Top 30, Msg 6)
>>>>>
"""""
So this has potential for moving data back and forth between the Apple IIs
and MACs or PCs?
Lyle Syverson <lyle@FoxValley.net> Editor, _The Lamp!_
published monthly at: http://lamp.a2central.com/
(LYLE, Cat 17, Top 30, Msg 8)
>>>>>
"""""
>> So this has potential for moving data back and forth between the
Apple IIs and MACs or PCs? <<
No more or less really than existing large storage removable medium, with
the exception of digital cameras. . .
Ryan
(A2.RYAN, Cat 17, Top 30, Msg 9)
[EOA]
[DAE]
DIFFERENCES AMONG THE VARIOUS Apple IIe's
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Other than the numeric keyboard and color, what are the differences between
the apple //e and the platinum apple //e?
Actually, if someone can tell me how many different versions of the //e
there were and what the differences were I would appreciate it.
(WAYNER, Cat 18, Top 3, Msg 2)
>>>>>
"""""
Just to get the ball rolling because I don't know all that much about the
Apple IIe, I known that there were at least three versions (please correct
me if I am wrong). There was the original one (the one I owned I believe).
This one had 64k RAM on board and a 6502 Processor. This is where things
start to get fuzzy for me. I think the next version was the "Enhanced"
IIe. There was a Powerlight on the keyboard that read enhanced. (I also
believe that the keyboards between these two machines were different, one
was really clicky and the other a bit "mushy") This machine had some more
stuff in the ROM (mousetext maybe?). It also might have used the 65C02 but
that I am not sure of. The third version that I know of is the Platinum
IIe with a numeric keypad built on to the keyboard. This one I am almost
positive had a 65C02 like the //c.
Does anyone know the whole story?
I have nothing but fond memories for my old Unenhanced IIe.
Dain Neater
A2 BB Manager
(A2.DAIN, Cat 18, Top 3, Msg 3)
>>>>>
"""""
There were two major versions of the Apple IIe. 1) The original beige Apple
IIe that had its production run from January 1983 until December 1986 and
2) the Platinum IIe, which ran from January 1987 until November 1993. A
possible third version (depending upon your point of view) would be the IIe
LC Card for the Macintosh LC that was produced from 1991 until 1995.
The original mandate was a reengineered Apple II plus motherboard with
reduced chip count (thus reduced manufacturing cost) while building in some
new features. The chip count was reduced from 120 to 31 while building in
16K Language Card and upper/lower case support. In addition the new
Auxiliary Slot, replacing the Apple II/II plus slot 0, adding the ability
of 80 column text with the new 80 Column Text Card. Also available was a
64K Extended 80-Column Text Card giving you a full 64K of bank switchable
RAM. This version booted up with "Apple II" top center and usually had a
keyboard with white key caps.
One of the first (of many) motherboard changes allowed for a new graphics
mode, Double Hi-Res and Double Lo-Res. The next big change was introduced
in March 1985 with the introduction of the Enhanced Apple IIe that was
basically a 4-chip change. This change included a new processor (65C02 vs.
6502A), new CD and EF ROMs (bug fixes mostly) and a new character generator
ROM that now included mousetext. This change pretty much brought the Apple
IIe up to the same potential capabilities of the Apple IIc (introduced in
April 1984). This version booted up with "Apple //e" top center and at
some point they changed the keyboard to one with black key caps.
The second major version was the Platinum IIe that started shipping in
January 1987. This featured a new "platinum" case and a keyboard with a
built in keypad. They also re engineered the motherboard again further
reducing the chip count from 31 down to 24. This new motherboard actually
started to be used in the late run beige IIe's starting around October
1986. Among the motherboard changes included the combining of the two CD
and EF ROMs into a single CF ROM and the use of two 256Kb RAM chips
replacing the eight 64 Kb chips previously used. This machine also came
standard with a newly re engineered 64K Extended 80 Column Card that was
much smaller than the previous card.
The third major version, the IIe LC Card, was Apple's attempt to provide a
transitional path for schools from their Apple IIe's to Macintosh without
needing to scrap their entire software base. Pretty impressive engineering
in its day considering they managed to reduce the entire Apple IIe to 5" x
3" card. This card was discontinued in July 1995.
An excellent source for additional info would be Steven Weyhrich's Apple II
History site at http://www.apple2history.org/.
Mark Percival - Syndicomm.com Apple II RTC Host
"Midweek Madness!" every Wednesday night.
7:00 PM - 9:00 PM PDT
(MARK, Cat 18, Top 3, Msg 4)
[EOA]
[ATL]
TROUBLESHOOTING AN Apple IIe - Linux BOX SETUP
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
I have been having an annoying problem since we came over to
a2central.com/syndicomm.com a year ago. My setup is an Apple IIe/Super
Serial Card/null-modem connection/Linux box.
Sometimes when I should get a BB or menu prompt, ProTERM appears to hang.
To recover I have to send the break command. When I do this half the time
I get the proper BB/menu prompt and the other half of the time I get
returned to my Linux boxes prompt and I have to reconnect. This has been a
PITA but I've been living with it.
Last night I was reading an old A2-Central article on the basics of serial
communications. When it spoke about software vs. hardware flow control
I started to wonder if this was my problem. According to the article
normal XON/XOFF works with a control character (ctrl-s, ctrl-q) to stop and
start flow.
According to the ProTERM manual, default flow control is determined by your
modem settings.
- What is the default setting in a null-modem situation where no modem is
involved?
- There is the ability to override the default settings. What would be the
proper setting to properly override?
"R0" = Drop RTS
"R1" = Raise RTS
"D0" = Drop DTR
"D1" = Raise DTR
Any help would be appreciated. :)
Mark Percival - Syndicomm.com Apple II RTC Host
"Midweek Madness!" every Wednesday night.
7:00 PM - 9:00 PM PDT
(MARK, Cat 21, Top 4, Msg 4)
>>>>>
"""""
I guess I should explain why I think flow control might be a problem.
I have noticed that the BB/menu prompts here have a embedded control
characters in it. If I slow down the baud rate enough I can actually see
the prompt printing things like "(i-search) `'", backspacing over it before
printing the actual prompt. My assumption is that one of the control
characters being sent to my IIe is being interpreted as flow-off by
ProTERM.
Bottom line is that if software flow is being used by default, it shouldn't
and I'd like to make sure that hardware flow is.
Mark Percival - Syndicomm.com Apple II RTC Host
"Midweek Madness!" every Wednesday night.
7:00 PM - 9:00 PM PDT
(MARK, Cat 21, Top 4, Msg 5)
>>>>>
"""""
A follow up to my previous post.
I have made a couple of changes and it seems to have helped. My modem
driver was set to Null-Modem and was running at 19200 in my IIe with a
Super Serial Card. When I changed the driver to Null-Modem (RTS/DTS) the
problem went away however I did start experiencing dropping characters.
Reducing my bps rate to 9600 seemed to cure that.
Conclusion: It appears that the straight Null-Modem driver uses XON/XOFF
for flow control. From what I understand this is normally the ctrl-s,
ctrl-q to stop and start data. It seems that this plays havoc with the BB
software as it seems to interpret these characters as something else. The
change to Null-Modem (RTS/DTS) cured that but the character loss indicated
to me that I didn't have a properly wired cable for hardware handshaking.
Setting it to 9600 is a suitable fix until I can get a proper cable.
Mark Percival - Syndicomm.com Apple II RTC Host
"Midweek Madness!" every Wednesday night.
7:00 PM - 9:00 PM PDT
(MARK, Cat 21, Top 4, Msg 6)
>>>>>
"""""
9600 is really the upper limit of what can be handled with software
(XON/XOFF) type handshaking. Anything above that (19200-57600 on a IIgs,
19200 on a IIe with SSC, and ridiculously faster with a Turbo ASB) needs to
be hardware handshaking.
At least the SSC and IIgs have the proper signals to go to 19200. The IIc
and IIc Plus don't, and I've never been able to get anything above 9600 to
work reliably on them.
Ryan
(A2.RYAN, Cat 21, Top 4, Msg 7)
[EOA]
[MOD]
MARINETTI AVAILABLE ON DISK
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Marinetti has been added to the list of software we offer on disk for $2
including shipping. The order form can be found on the A2Central.com web
site.
We'll be adding a version of Marinetti with printed developer documentation
to our online store in the near future.
Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.com
Owner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com
Building communities, bit by bit.
(SYNDICOMM, Cat 24, Top 1, Msg 47)
[EOA]
[SDM]
SAM DISLIKES MORE THAN FOURTEEN ARCHIVE FOLDERS
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
I am posting this here since I am unable to find a specific topic for SAM.
I am running SAM v1.5 and have found that it no longer archives messages.
When you hit the 'ARC' button in the reader it goes through the motions of
folder selection, etc. But it does not actually save the message to the
folder. This started happening when I created the 15th folder in the list.
Up until then messages were being saved correctly. The documentation does
not indicate any limit to the number of folders allowed by the program.
Has anyone else see this problem?
Roger A. Schnorenberg - Roger
"Roger A. Schnorenberg" <AB0MX@ARRL.net>
Delivered by Spectrum v2.5.2 & SOAR v1.0b8 with NiftySpell 1.0
Via Marinetti 2.1 TCP/IP stack on a ROM 0 IIGS upgraded to the max!
(SCHNORENBERG, Cat 26, Top 6, Msg 26)
>>>>>
"""""
After making some tests, there is indeed a problem if there are 15 or more
folders set up for archiving messages.
I will update SAM when I have fixed the problem. Unfortunately I am away
from home for the next week, so am not sure when this will be. Please be
patient, and I will announce the update as soon as it is ready.
Meanwhile, if possible, please limit your folders to 15, and all hopefully
should be well.
Ewen Wannop - Speccie - Sun 27 Jan 2002 - 177 days till KFest '02
Delivered without using a IIgs by Spectrum v2.5.2 & SOAR 1.0b5
Setup: Bernie ][ the Rescue 3.0 and a dual G4/800Mhz GeForce3
http://www.ewannop.btinternet.co.uk/
(CONDUCTOR, Cat 26, Top 6, Msg 27)
>>>>>
"""""
Folder number 15 broke SAM. I will reduce the number to 14 and see if
it will start working again. :-)
Roger A. Schnorenberg - Roger
"Roger A. Schnorenberg" <AB0MX@ARRL.net>
Delivered by Spectrum v2.5.2 & SOAR v1.0b8 with NiftySpell 1.0
Via Marinetti 2.1 TCP/IP stack on a ROM 0 IIGS upgraded to the max!
(SCHNORENBERG, Cat 26, Top 6, Msg 28)
>>>>>
"""""
Roger,
I have now fixed the problem. In due course the fix will be released in SAM
1.6, but I could send you the updated script that fixes the problem now.
For the last week I have been trying to e-mail you asking for an e-mail
address that I can send the file to, but all e-mail to "Roger A.
Schnorenberg" <AB0MX@ARRL.NET> is being returned as undeliverable.
If you have another e-mail address that I can use, e-mail me on
speccie@mac.com and let me know...
Ewen Wannop - Speccie - Thu 7 Feb 2002 - 166 days till KFest '02
Delivered without using a IIgs by Spectrum v2.5.2 & SOAR 1.0b5
Setup: Bernie ][ the Rescue 3.0 and a dual G4/800Mhz GeForce3
http://www.ewannop.btinternet.co.uk/
(CONDUCTOR, Cat 26, Top 6, Msg 29)
[EOA]
[PLB]
PRECISION LIMITATIONS OF BASIC
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Curious quirk. I did a:
]? 9^9
387420490
On the calculator
387420489
On the MC-10
387420489
Does Basic round to 8 digits? If so is there anyway around this?
(WAYNER, Cat 51, Top 15, Msg 16)
>>>>>
"""""
BASIC doesn't round to a set number of digits, but it does have precision
limitations. I don't have the exact real number format memorized, but you
probably hit its accuracy limitation with a number that large, and the
lower bits of precision are getting hacked off.
Eric 'Sheppy' Shepherd
Owner
Syndicomm
Building communities bit by bit.
(SYNDICOMM, Cat 51, Top 15, Msg 17)
>>>>>
"""""
There are two solutions to work around Applesoft's precision problem:
1) Use 8-bit SANE. I do not know where this is available now, but it does
not have precision problems like Applesoft.
2) Figure out the formula which the Applesoft ROM uses to perform the
function 9^9. See if there is another formula out there which leads to the
same result. Write Applesoft code based on another formula and see if the
precision problem goes away.
Geoff
(GEOFF, Cat 51, Top 15, Msg 18)
[EOA]
[BFH]
BABELFISH
"""""""""
Has anyone done anything with Babelfish they'd like to share?
I think it'd be awful nice to have more support for it. It's a shame it
didn't come out sooner than it did though.
Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.com
Owner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com
Building communities, bit by bit.
(SYNDICOMM, Cat 60, Top 18, Msg 1)
>>>>>
"""""
Babelfish was an interesting thing. It was kept so super secret for so
long, with so much done to it, and across so many people that everyone that
seemed interested at the time had "gotten it" and there was no more push
for it to be released.
Too bad.
From day one, way back when I never had the impression that SHS was a real
company - too bad some GREAT products and talent got shelved, stiffed and
messed up in it.
I never saw a vendor be so weird with their own products. Two great IIgs
games, they made them practically impossible to get. It's as if they were
embarrassed to be selling Apple II stuff. But what do you expect from a
company that charged people $5 for a link to download a PDF tax form from a
government agency.
Tony
(A2.TONYD, Cat 60, Top 18, Msg 2)
>>>>>
"""""
Babelfish was a great piece of software that was obliterated by pointless
and stupid delays in getting it released. Design by committee will do
that.
Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.com
Owner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com
Building communities, bit by bit.
(SYNDICOMM, Cat 60, Top 18, Msg 3)
[EOA]
------------------------------------
ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM SYNDICOMM |
------------------------------------
by Lyle Syverson <lyle@foxvalley.net>
[TSU]
TO SIGN UP FOR SYNDICOMM ONLINE
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Please visit our web site at http://www.syndicomm.com for information or to
sign up!
(Logon message)
[EOA]
[TSD]
THE STORY OF DOUGLAS
""""""""""""""""""""
Win a $20 bookstore gift certificate by contributing to the continuing
story of Douglas! Prolific Quill, page 990, keyword QUILL.
(Logon Banner)
[EOA]
[RPG]
THE ROLE PLAYING GAMES FORUM
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
The Role Playing Games forum (keyword RPG, page 833) is under construction,
but the Cargotha MUD is now open and ready to play! Drop on in and enter
the land of adventure!
(Logon Banner)
[EOA]
[FFG]
THE FAMILY FUN AND GAMES FORUM
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Visit the new Family Fun & Games forum (keyword FUN, page 820) and share a
joke, recipe, or just your charm and wit! It's a great place to relax and
be yourself! Or be someone else, we don't care, as long as you have a good
time!
(Logon Banner)
[EOA]
[NFB]
NEW FEATURES/BUGFIXES APPLIED TO BULLETIN BOARD SYSTEM
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The following new features/bugfixes were applied to the bulletin board
system today: (Jan 28, 2002)
- "0" at the bulletin board prompt now exits to the forum main menu like it
does everywhere else on Syndicomm instead of showing you the bulletin board
help (you can still get help by typing "help" at the prompt).
- "NEW" command implemented:
NEW - lists topics with new messages in the current category
NEW cat - lists topics with new messages in the given category
NEW #-# - lists categories with new messages within the given category
range
NEW ALL - lists categories with new messages anywhere in the board
- Nicknames are now shown next to usernames on message headers again (these
disappeared when we switched to the new software due to a typo in the
code).
Dave Miller justdave@syndicomm.com + justdave@justdave.net
Lead Software Engineer/System Administrator, Syndicomm Online
http://www.syndicomm.com/ http://www.justdave.net/
(HelpDesk BB, JUSTDAVE, Cat 4, Top 2, Msg 43)
[EOA]
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DISTILLATIONS FROM DELPHI A2 |
------------------------------------
by Lyle Syverson <lyle@foxvalley.net>
[GSP]
CONNECTING A IIgs TO A PC USING MARINETTI (CONT.)
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
I chose to pursue your Dial Up Server line of thinking a little more.
I installed Dial Up Server from Win95 Plus. I searched on the net and
found a Null modem driver for Win9x. I have been trying to get the IIgs
and the Win95 box to talk to each other but, like you, have found that PPP
option negotiation seems to be the stopping point.
However, unlike your Hanging up experience, both machines will sit there
sending packets at each other for a while. I don't believe that the IIgs
recognizes the Win95 packets as the PPP tracefile does not show any
incoming packets.
I have used a serial port scanner to look at what is being transmitted
between the machines. I have captured a HEX dump of the traffic and I am
now trying to decipher it. I should probably setup another Win9x box and
scan the transmission between them to see what is being negotiated. Hmmm...
good idea!
Cheers,
Andrew
(ROUGHANA, 3122.26, Delphi A2 web side)
>>>>>
"""""
As you would expect, the GS is using standard PPP with HDLC framing
GS:7EFF7D23C0237D217D3D7D207D267D207D20F1EA7E
I can decipher what this is by looking at RFCs.
However, I'm stuck on the Win95 output. I could use some help deciphering
the protocol that Win95 is using.
Does anyone recognize this byte sequence?
W95:DBC01BC0D89898EC890E98FD0E1D0B6C87FB4A9DD87ED898D8
I haven't yet found any doco that can tell me what it is.
I am assuming that there will NOT be a problem with bit ordering. I base
that assumption on the fact that I am using Rs232 ports and modem drivers
that need to talk to RS232 modems wouldn't work if there was a bit ordering
problem.... However, maybe there is some other hardware issue? I have set
the Win95 Null Modem driver to use 8N1 and the same speed as the GS ports.
Any input appreciated!
Cheers,
Andrew
(ROUGHANA, 3122.28, Delphi A2 web side)
>>>>>
"""""
Hi Andrew,
I was doing some web searching myself earlier this week and found some
interesting web sites about using Direct Cable Connection (DCC) that
mention using TCP/IP over them. I also download a Word document from one
site with details about doing this but I didn't bookmark it and haven't
been able to find it again. Here are the couple I did bookmark, though:
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Heights/5704/dcc1.html
http://www.tecno.demon.co.uk/dcc/dcc.html
The Word document I got had me do a few changes to the Windows registry but
I'm pretty sure they are just there to support modem connections. I've
found this handy as it gives me a way to trigger events and see when DCC
gives up trying to negotiate a connection.
It took a few changes to various things to get my serial port on the PC and
DCC working at 57,600 bps like I wanted but I finally changed the right
thing. To test things, I started Spectrum on my IIgs and then DCC on the PC
and told it to be a host and listen for a connection. It sent the modem
init string I had set up in the registry and waited for a connection. When
I typed the word "CONNECT" into Spectrum (which is what I set the registry
to trigger a connection on), DCC changed its window to saying it was
verifying user name and password and sent the word "CLIENTSERVER" to my
IIgs followed by a packet of data that looked like this:
0000: 7e ff 7d 23 c0 21 7d 21 7d 21 7d 20 30 7d 22 7d
0010: 26 7d 20 7d 2a 7d 20 7d 20 7d 23 7d 25 c2 23 80
0020: 7d 25 7d 26 7d 20 7d 21 bb ea 7d 27 7d 22 7d 28
0030: 7d 22 7d 31 7d 24 7d 25 dc 7d 33 7d 33 7d 21 e0
0040: 7d 2a 5f c1 ea bb 7d 21 7d 20 c0 ab 5f c1 9d 7d
0050: 2f 7d 20 7d 20 9c 2d 7e 7e ff 7d 23 c0 21 7d 25
0060: 7d 22 7d 20 7d 24 59 28 7e
(NOTE: There may be typos in this as I typed it in here on my PC while
viewing the data on my IIgs.)
I poked through RFC 1334 (PPP Authentication Protocols) and found that
there should be a $C023 in there somewhere for PAP authentication and $C223
for CHAP authentication. There is a $C223 in that packet I received from
the PC so it looks like it is trying to use CHAP which Marinetti doesn't
support yet.
I also noticed while searching that there is an RFC 2759 called Microsoft
PPP (CHAP) Extensions, Version 2 so it is possible that it is trying to do
a non-standard CHAP authentication as well. :-/
Mind you, I don't know much low level TCP/IP stuff so I may be totally
misinterpreting this stuff.
Anyways, that's as far as I got with my couple attempts this week.
Jeff Blakeney
Dean of the Apple II University in the A2Pro Forum
(JBLAKENEY, 3122.29, Delphi A2 web side)
>>>>>
"""""
Wow Jeff, you've managed to get Windows to spit out a PPP LCP packet over
DCC! That's a step forward.
I went looking for a TCP/IP direct cable connection word document and found
this link:
http://www.tecno.demon.co.uk/dcc/download/dccsrvr.doc
Is this the one you were referring to? It looks promising.
If not, did you keep a copy of the doc file? Can you send it to me please?
Thanks,
Andrew
(ROUGHANA, 3122.30, Delphi A2 web side)
>>>>>
"""""
Andrew Roughan said:
>> Wow Jeff, you've managed to get Windows to spit out a PPP LCP packet
over DCC! That's a step forward. <<
Yeah, now if we can just figure out how to make it do something. :)
>> I went looking for a TCP/IP direct cable connection word document and
found this link: http://www.tecno.demon.co.uk/dcc/download/dccsrvr.doc
Is this the one you were referring to? It looks promising. <<
Yes, that's the one. I'll bookmark it now just in case I need to get back
there or point others to it. Thanks for tracking it down.
Jeff Blakeney
Dean of the Apple II University in the A2Pro Forum
(JBLAKENEY, 3122.31, Delphi A2 web side)
[EOA]
[NVK]
NEW VERSION OF KEGS32
"""""""""""""""""""""
A new version of KEGS32 was released a few weeks back, I only just
discovered it recently...
Version 0.60-R3 now offers the following: support for long filenames, drag
and drop for loading disk images, easily accessible buttons for toggling
between speeds (1 MHz, 2.8 MHz and fast-as-possible), scanline support and
many fixes.
The scanline support still needs some work (bug fixing?) but it gives you a
good idea what the emulator _will_ be like by the next release. Graphics
look much more like that of a real IIgs on a standard VGA monitor, it's
really cool looking.
Visit KEGS32's home page for details and to download it:
http://www.geocities.com/akilgard/kegs32/
Mitchell Spector
a_specto@alcor.concordia.ca
(SPECTOR1, 3564.1, Delphi A2 web side)
[EOA]
[GMP]
Apple IIgs MOTHERBOARD PROBLEM
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
I have a IIgs Rom 01 motherboard here that doesn't startup properly.
When I turn it on, the screen comes up with a grey border, alternate
vertical columns of black and green/purple/white lores blocks and the
speaker clicks. Pressing Ctrl-OA[or CA]-Reset seems to be registered but
the cycle continues.
There is nothing plugged into the motherboard besides the monitor, keyboard
and power supply. I have checked that these three components work fine with
other motherboards.
Any ideas what the possible problem is and whether this is worth fixing?
Thanks,
Andrew
(ROUGHANA, 3563.1, Delphi A2 web side)
>>>>>
"""""
I've seen that happen before, at least in a similar fashion.
At best guess I would point to the CPU at fault. Power down the machine and
locate the socketed 65C816 processor (the 40-pin DIP next to the ROM, at
the center of the board) and try pressing down firmly on it. If that
doesn't work, carefully pry it out completely and reseat it back in its
socket.
You could also try cleaning the CPU pins with some rubbing alcohol and a
Q-tip. Just take extreme care not to bend or break any of them.
There is also the possibility the 65C816 itself is defective, or the
contacts inside the DIP socket aren't making proper contact with the pins
(apparently that is common from continually reinserting and removing an
accelerator card such as a Zip or TransWarp GS).
Also check the socketed ROM to see that it's properly inserted (it's
unlikely that's at fault, but try it if all else fails).
Try the above and see what that does. A new motherboard can probably be
found on eBay for under $5, but I'd see if you can't save this one first.
ps - Another possibility is what your seeing is the built-in self test
diagnostic running, *but* I'd discount that because you mentioned the
speaker clicking (there is no sound until the end of the test).
Mitchell Spector
a_specto@alcor.concordia.ca
(SPECTOR1, 3563.2, Delphi A2 web side)
[EOA]
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LETTERS TO THE EDITOR |
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[LTE]
LETTER TO THE EDITOR
""""""""""""""""""""
Dear Editor:
Thanks for keeping us updated as to the various Apple II issues being
discussed on online services such as Delphi and Syndicomm Online.
I'm always interested to see which messages make the cut each month. How
do you decide?
-Ken Gagne
[EOA]
[RTL]
REPLY TO LETTER
"""""""""""""""
Any one of several characteristics make a message or a thread of messages
worthy of being included in _The Lamp!_ .
1. Announcements of new or improved products and services.
2. A question and answers to that question which inform or help solve
problems.
3. Discussions of ideas about new products and/or services that would be
desirable to create in the future.
4. Discussions about what things were like with the Apple II "way back
when".
5. Comments that tell "how to do" or "where to get" or "where to go".
Some worthy messages or threads are left out because permission to use one
of the messages could not be obtained from the author of original comment.
Only one person has said no. Hundreds of emails have gone unanswered,
either because of neglect, or because the easiest way to say no is to not
reply.
Editor
[EOA]
[LTE]
AN INVITATION
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Express your opinions about the comings and goings in the world of the
Apple II computers.
Send your comments to Lyle Syverson, Editor <lyle@FoxValley.net>
The Editor reserves the right to edit any material submitted.
The Editor reserves the right to reject any material he considers
unsuitable for publication in _The Lamp!_.
[EOA]
[KFT]------------------------------
KFest 2002 |
-----------------------------------
[PAK]
PLAN AHEAD FOR K-Fest 2002
""""""""""""""""""""""""""
KansasFest 2002 is scheduled for July 23 through 28 of 2002. Plan ahead.
Mark your calendar. Start saving your money. Join us for K-Fest 2002!
For additional information visit the K-Fest Home Page at:
http://www.kfest.org/
[EOA]
[AKF]
ANTICIPATION... K-FEST 2002
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Now that 2002 is finally here, I'm ready to start planning for KFest!!
Cindy
(CINDYADAMS, Cat 5, Top 4, Msg 17)
>>>>>
"""""
Heck, I was planning for KFest 2002 years ago - it's just that good!
Everyone needs to plan to get there and it's never too early to start.
Among the plans should be an effort to bring along someone that hasn't been
there yet. We still haven't reached a lot of folks that need to experience
the glory of KFest!
Looking forward to another great KFest,
Steve
(KFESTSTEVE, Cat 5, Top 4, Msg 18)
>>>>>
"""""
With tax season upon us, I was wondering when registration is going to open
up for Kfest 2002. I want to be an early bird this year and get on the
list.
Dain Neater
BB Manager A2
(A2.DAIN, Cat 5, Top 4, Msg 19)
>>>>>
"""""
Me too -- I want to get registered! :)
Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd sheppy@syndicomm.com
Owner, Syndicomm http://www.syndicomm.com
Building communities, bit by bit.
(SYNDICOMM, Cat 5, Top 4, Msg 20)
>>>>>
"""""
Re: KFest registration.
I think at earliest registration usually starts around now.
The Gouda will have to weigh in with his two cents, of course. :)
Ryan
Chief Sysop
(A2.RYAN, Cat 5, Top 4, Msg 21)
>>>>>
"""""
Dain and everyone,
Working on the registration prices and deadlines, among other things, but
don't want to post anything that isn't 100% confirmed.
I'm hoping Avila hasn't increased the prices but won't hear from them for
awhile.
We will keep the deadline for the early bird special at May 1st though, so
everyone should have plenty of time to make their arrangements.
We're still working on a shoestring budget. Things are tight enough to
consider imposing a "go/no go" deadline for KFest once again like we had
initially. For now I rather not have to do that.
Even if we have to increase the registration fees it shouldn't be a
significant amount.
What WOULD help is early registration this year, once we post the
registration info. (I'll get that posted ASAP).
Hope this helps with your plans,
Steve (Gouda)
(KFESTSTEVE, Cat 5, Top 4, Msg 32)
>>>>>
"""""
Jeez, I'd better get cracking on my programming project, eh? I don't want
to suck, come July. :)
_________
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