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From: ddm@frame.com (Derick Miller)
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Newsgroups: info.firearms
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Subject: 7 gun list, the compilation
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Message-ID: <9302130416.AA06686@maai.corp.frame.com>
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Date: 13 Feb 93 04:16:01 GMT
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Sender: firearms-Request@GODIVA.NECTAR.CS.CMU.EDU
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Lines: 592
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Here are most of the results (Some were added to messages with other
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titles and may have been missed). Harold was curious why I asked.
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Here is part of the response I gave followed by the lists:
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If you ask someone which books they would take to a desert island,
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you find out which books speak the most to them, which books they
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think would stand the test of time and rereading and what types
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of choices they would make (do I take a book on edible plants or
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the works of Blake).
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If you ask a person which guns they would choose, you find out which
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guns they think of as reliable, usefull, shootable, etc. Some things
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just work better than others.
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For example, I expect to see the 870 in 12ga a lot. Over the years,
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people have spoken well of the 870 because it is reliable, inexpensive,
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puts up with abuse and has a lot of flexibility. People just keep
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coming back to this gun. Tappan recommends it. You mentioned it by
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name and it is the only gun you specified. The rest you just described
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in your list.
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Mossberg slips in, too. It is probably second in reliability, less
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expensive and comes with a number of options out of the box (laser
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sights, ghost rings, extra bbls and stocks, cablelocks, etc usually
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for less).
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I could probably get carried away with this discussion but I think the
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examples above shed some light. I suppose you could say that a question
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like this focuses on quality (on many levels) and gives insight into
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peoples thinking about a given subject and, perhaps, their thinking in
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general. This helps me to think better about the subject at hand and
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get to know people as well. But the short, less analytical answer is,
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it's a fun game.
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This type of question is equally interesting in other contexts as well.
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Almost anything you could class as a category of tool (software, power
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tools, cooking implements, etc). Making a list forces you to make
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value judgements.
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Probably more of an answer than you wanted...
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Derick
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**
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Presuming I can bring adequate maintenance supplies:
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1. H&K MP5SD3 (9mm, supressed)
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2. Walther TPH (.22LR + screw-on supressor)
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3. Glock 22 (.40)
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4. AKM + H&K-69GL (7.62x39, 40mm)
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5. T/C Contender 14" + scope + xtra bbl (7.62x39, .223)
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6. H&K PSG-1 (7.62N)
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7. H&K Mod. 21 MG (7.62N w/7.62x39 kit)
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7 calibers, which is a bit much, but several have
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overlapping applications.
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If I wasn't sure about maintenance, the PSG-1 would
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be replaced with a good sturdy bolt gun. I'm not sure
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what I'd do about the H&K 21 in that case, might switch
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it out with something.
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-george william herbert
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**
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Let's make it even tougher. Just four guns:
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1) .22 Rifle: Ruger 10/22 with Leupold 4X
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2) 12 Gauge Shotgun: Remington 870 Wingmaster (18" slug bbl and
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a 28" rem choke)
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3) .30-06 Rifle: Winchester pre'64 Model 70 with Leupold 4X
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4) .357 Magnum: Ruger SP101 3"
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That would be enough for my needs. Really. :-)
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Joe
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**
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Remington 700, .308, 3x9 Nikon, wood finish with camo wrap. 180gr Noslers.
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Any decent bolt .22 rifle, iron sights. Various.
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Mossberg 500, nine shots, bayonet, ghost ring sight. Various.
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Glock 17L with night sights. Handloads. :)
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Ruger 22-45, 5" bull barrel. Gold Medal.
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Ruger GP100 .357, small grips, 5" or 6" barrel. Black Talon.
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Bersa 85 .380 hi-capacity (I may or may not get grief for this :) Glasers.
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That's seven. Three to put food on the table, two for trophies,
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and two to keep the goblins out.
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Glenn R. Stone (glenns@eas.gatech.edu)
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Back off, man, I'm a ghostbuster.
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.22 autoloader handgun
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.22 accurate bolt action (light duty target or field use)
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.38 steel frame (+P capiable) shrouded hammer revolver
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.45 auto single action compact double stack handgun
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12 gauge Remington 870 police grade shotgun
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.308 semi-auto M14/w quick mount scope
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.300 Win Magnum bolt action/w scope
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This is a basic self and farm protection armory that could also do for
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most 48 state hunting (.300 Win Mag is a bit light for some Alaskan bear
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varieties (or so I remember hearing)). The bigest item it is lacking is
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a long range varmit gun, although you could get by with light bullets in
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the .300 Win Mag even if you felt a bit silly.
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An extensive book length, but somewhat dated, discussion of this sort of
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armory can be found _Survival Guns_ by Mel Tappan.
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BTW, what's your interest?
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- Harold
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**
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Assuming multi-need use ;-)
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1. Mossberg 500 12 ga {or 20 ga if weight limitations limited the ammo
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supply) with rifled choke and rifle sights, Lazer flashlight in slide, HK
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tactical sling.
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2. 1911 90S Springfield Armory .45 ACP with flat mainspring housing, long
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trigger, stainless match barrel, Delrin recoil Spring guide rod or none at
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all. { gee that sounds familiar....} Parkerized -definitely not stainless.
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3. McMillan - built rifle in 7mm mag with Leupold Mark 1 scope all black
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includeing the barrel
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4. Any firearm? Then add an HK MP5SD with HK tac sling and accesories.
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that leaves 3 "for the h...l of it" guns right?
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5. S&W 41 Bull barrel 50 mm Laserdot sight
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6. Winchester Model 70 Safari in .458 WM
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7. Win Model 70 in .220 Swift with 10x Unertl scope rebarreled to stainless
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and then k-cote.
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Weird!
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CHL
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**
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Colt Gold Cup .45 ACP, stainless steel, w/Trijicon sights
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Smith and Wesson Model 625, .45 ACP w/ 5" barrel and Trijicon sights
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Springfield M1AE2 Super Match Grade with M2 bipod and 3-9x ART scope
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Ruger Mini-14 stainless steel "GB" model w/factory folding stock
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Winchester Model 70 with MCS M14 magazine conversion and Trijicon scope
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Remington Model 870 12 gauge, parkerized riotgun w/spare "bird" barrel
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Ruger 10/22 stainless steel w/4x Leupold scope
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... and of course lots of ammo, spare magazines, and spare parts.
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Regards,
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Jim Rawles, Proprietor
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Clearwater Trading Co.
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**
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Well, I would assume a survivalist/disaster/revolution scenario.
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Accordingly, my criteria would be to cover all the necessary tasks with
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easily available ammo. So ...
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.22 pistol and rifle for small game, discouraging opportunists, etc.
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Autos would be handy, but bolts and wheelguns might be more robust:
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- Ruger Mk-II, Browning Buckmark, or maybe a 9-shot revolver
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- Bolt-action (Ruger SS/plastic?), or 10-22, Marlin 60, etc.
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Close-range support, and general-purpose hunting. Multiple barrels
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would be nice:
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- Pump-action 12-gauge shotgun (Mossburg 500, Rem. 870, etc.)
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Something with which to "reach out and touch someone". If you expect
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primarily the 4-legged targets, go for the bolt. The 2-legged kind
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might make you lean toward the self-loader. Either should be scoped.
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- Rem. PSS in .308, or, M14
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Self defense guns; could also be used for short-med-range hunting.
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Choose any three, to fit your tastes and expected situation:
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- .45ACP gov't model
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- DA 9mm pistol
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- 9mm Marlin Camp Carbine
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- .223 carbine: AR-15, etc.
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- .357 revolver: GP-100, S&W 686, etc.
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- .44mag revolver: Super Red/Blackhawk, S&W 629, etc.
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I would choose stainless where possible, and load up on accessories.
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Camo socks, bipods, lots o' mags, tons of ammo. A couple of scopes
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and/or lasers would be nice. And in a true revolution, I'd be looking
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to put a grenade launcher on the AR-15/M14. Woof.
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-- Keith
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**
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In no particular order:
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1) 1874 Sharps Target Rifle, 45-110
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2) Winchester 1885 High Wall Target Rifle, 40-65 Winchester
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3) Remington Rolling Block Target Rifle, 40-70 Sharps Straight
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4) Colt Single Action Army, 45 Long Colt
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5) Colt Python, 357 Magnum
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6) Hatfield Uplander Shotgun, 20 guage
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7) English Double Rifle, 600 Nitro Express
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James
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erd1!jamesf@sierra.com
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**
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If this was really a desert island I might opt for a large water cannon. You
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really didn't say what, if any, problems you were trying to deal with on this
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desert island (defense, survival or just having a good time away from it all).
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However, in the spirit of being a generalist:
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1) Glock 20, 10mm.
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2) H&K MP5SD3 in 10mm. (Suppressed, this might be the SD4?)
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3) S&W long slide .22 LR with screw on suppresser.
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4) Ruger 10/22 with integral suppresser and 4x scope.
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5) National match M1A
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6) Gunsite Scout in 7.62x51
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7) Light .50 BMG
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Regards,
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Barry.
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**
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1. Barrett Light
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2. M60
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3. M16A1
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4. M14
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5. M1 Garand
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6. Browning Hi Power
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7. S&W Model 19
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and the list goes on and on and on and on and ....
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*Ron Phillips ronp@hound.dazixca.ingr.com *
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One gun only: Polytech AK47S (void where prohibited by law).
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Phil Nelson . pnelson@tymix.tymnet.com
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1. 50 cal Barrett
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2. 458 lott
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3. 340 weatherby
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4. 7m Mag
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5. 22-250
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6. M-16
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7. Glock 10MM
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1. GE Minigun
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2. Barrett Light .50BMG
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3. HK G3
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4. The most expensive Anschutz target rifle in .22LR
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5. Sako Varminter in 6mm PPC
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6. Remington 700 in .243
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7. Remington 700 in .375 H&H
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Jerry Gardner (jerry@isi.com)
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**
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1. Remington 700, .220 Swift, heavy barrel, stainless steel, really BIG scope
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2. Smith & Wesson 629 Classic Hunter, scope and laser sight
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3. Ruger 10/22, stinless steel, folding stock, full auto with some 'good' 50
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round magazines, laser sight
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4. A competion preped 1911A1, stainless of course
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5. M14, stainless, available with 3 round burst or full auto option
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6. some type of semi auto 12 gauge shotgun, laser sight
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That pretty well covers all areas! It would keep me happy for awhile!
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**
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I'll play!!!
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1) Ruger Superblackhawk .44, stainless, 7.5".
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2) Ruger GP100 .357, 4", stainless, adjustable sights.
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3) Mossberg M500 12 guage pump, lotsa barrels. 20" VR most important.
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4) Browning A-bolt stainless .375 H&H
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5) Ruger #1V .25-06
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6) .223 bolt action, Ruger 77 MkII stainless or Winchester "wintuff" featherwt.
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(or maybe a .17 Remington ...?)
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7) .22 LR handgun. Either Ruger Single Six stainless 5.5", Ruger stainless
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5.5" auto bull barrel, or Smith and Wesson stainless J frame 4" with
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adjustable sights.
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And a whole SHITLOAD (pardon, please, it that offends ...) of ammo!!
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Of course, this probably reflects the current direction of my dreaming, what
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is new, what I've found to be EXTREMELY utilitarian and couldn't imagine being
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without, and what is still different and interesting. It will obviously change
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at least twice before tomorrow morning.
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Tom.
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**
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OK...
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FN Mag 58
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M249 Minimi
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GE Minigun
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Sig 550
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FN LAR
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Walther PPK
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Beretta 92FS
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Definitely sporting arms... ;-)
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John Wallace || INTERNET: csjohn@knuth.mtsu.edu
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**
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My 7 Guns:
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Rem 700 PSS, .308 w/B&L 3X9
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Rem 700 PSS, .308 w/B&L 3X9
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M16A-2 w/M203(?) Grenade Launcher, 20 pcs 30rd mags
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M16A-2 w/M203(?) Grenade Launcher, 20 pcs 30rd mags
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Glock17 w/Tritium sights, 12 mags, nylon harness gear
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Glock17 w/Tritium sights, 12 mags, nylon harness gear
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Rem Nylon 77 (.22 LR)
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Because, it could be a long stay and I hate retraining. Also, the
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best spare parts kit and best assembly manual is ... stereo guns.
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Sincerely,
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Paul Sakamoto
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"Keeper of the phones"
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**
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As I try to tell my students to do when answering questions that are
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"generic," as is this one, I'd start by saying "It depends..."
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In a free world, if the limits were financial, a 12 guage double (or a 20).
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if the world were becoming less free and the ownership of components
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banned, I'd have to make it a flint-lock of some sort.
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If I had decided that I would attempt to do what I could to overturn
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the limitations on my freedom (think partisan in WWIII) I'd want a
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pistol in 9mm or rifle in the soviet caliber (don't remember the
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designation, but it can use .223 m-16 type ammo _and_ their .224?). The
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point being that I'd want to get my reloads "on the economy."
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Obviously, the scenario needs to be set for any realistic responses.
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HK P7M10 .40 S&W
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HK M3 Super 90 Pump/Auto shotgun with ghost ring sights, 19 3/4", 7 shot
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HK PSG1 Marksman Rifle, .308, 5 shot
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HK MP5SD, 9MM internal suppressed.
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Anschutz 2013 target rifle
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"Pistol" Pete D.
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Keep in mind this is from a female-
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1) My AR-15 w/3x9x40scope,laser sight and on board grenade launcher
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includes an ample supply of SS-109,tracer, and grenades
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2) Remington 1100 30" barrel (seagulls, trap, whats the difference?)
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3) MP5 A2 (for when their real close)
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4) M-60 (for when their far away)
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5) Remington 700 (for those bad hair days)
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6) AK-47 (pref. Yugoslavian/forged receiver type, 'cause the sand might jam
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the '15)
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7) last and not least, my38 super racing gun (because it might just come
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down to marksmenship)
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OK! So what do I win?
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DVC, Laurie
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---
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ProLine: lauriek@pro-angmar
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**
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You can actually do a pretty nice basic battery for comparatively little
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money. Example:
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Remington Sportsman 12 12 gauge Shotgun (a parkerized 870): $190
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Remington 78 .30-06 Rifle (Plane Jane 700, no longer made;
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substitute a new Savage 110 for another $30 or so if need
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be, or buy a Remington 788 used if you can find one; or
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substitute a Winchester 94 for even less money if all you're
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doing is going after woodland white tails): $220
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Ruger 10/22 .22 LR Rifle: $120
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S&W Model 10 (police trade-in, or for a little more money a
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Taurus): $120
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Not free, but still, quite do-able given a second job or reprioritization
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of rent and food expenses. :-)
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Joe
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Remington PSS & Leupold Scope
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Colt M-16 CAR .223
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Sig Sauer P226
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Ruger Mark II stainless 5.5" Bull bbl.
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Galil ARM .308
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Benelli Super 90 M1 12 guage (with buckshot, slugs, rubber slugs, lock-buster)
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Barret .50 SA with a Leupold Ultra scope.
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Hmm its a start....
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I forgot a MP5, G3, Sig 550, Aug and........
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Hello All,
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Folks, just the idea of being able to live on a desert island appeals
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so much I can hardly think of what toys to bring!
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Take care, Tom
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Seven guns for seven stranded cast aways ??
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1 R-8 or R-4
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2 Ruger 77/22 stainless that has been darkened.
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3 S.G.T. pump gun or a Bennelli
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4 My Star .22 pistol
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5 series 70 Combat Comander with most of the "works"
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6 Barrett .50 with both day and NV scopes
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7 Styer sniper rifle with "can", NV and day scope.
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Honorable mention
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MP-5
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MG-34
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My S&W 649 with night sights and blueing
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Easy!...
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1 ===> Freedom Arms Field Grade 454 CASULL in .44 mag. (7 1/2-in. barrel);
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premier grade stainless steel brushed finish (hardwood grip) with
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adjustable sights!
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2 ===> COLT ANACONDA in .44 Rem mag with 8-in. ventilated rib barrel,
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(stainless steel of course!).
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3 ===> COLT DELTA GOLD CUP (10mm) in matte stainless steel.
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4 ===> The new enhanced Colt Government Model (.45 ACP) in stainless steel.
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5 ===> SIG-SAUER P228 (9mm Para)
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6 ===> WALTHER PP in .380 ACP
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and at last;
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7 ===> MOSSBERG 590 (12-ga, 9-shot) blued and parkerized with laser sight
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built into forend. ;^)
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heh, heh, heh,...
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ATATURK
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1. Barett Light 50
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2. FN-FAL match grade (hvy bbl.)
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3. trick .45 1911
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4. MacMillan M-89 in .300WM
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5. HK MP-5K
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6. Benelli Super-90 *OR* Striker *OR* USAS-12
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that's it ... only SIX! (but, I'd take a .357 mag, 3" bbl, shrouded hammer)
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'course, I have 6(a) and am on my way to #3 ...
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Oh, yeah, the Steyr PSG-1 is a fair sub for #4 (but not as fun, nor
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surpressed!)
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[ Cyber-Renaissance Man ]
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[* and Internet addict *]
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Seven guns. Hmmm....
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1) T/C Contender with the full complement of barrels (both pistol and
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rifle), and stocks. This would pretty much satisfy every need I'd
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have. Oh, yeah - I'd like one of the new stainless ones...
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2) SIG P210
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3) Browning Stainless Stalker, left hand if available, in .308.
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4) Hatfield double barrel (don't know the model names offhand)
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5) Glock 21
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6) Beretta A390
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7) Lorcin .25 <just kidding!> How about a Browning BAR in 7mm Mag...
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Rob
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I've given this some thought, and I've actually started to acquire
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this list...
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Short (2") and long (>=4") .38 or .357 revolvers (S&W 686s ideal)
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9mm DA semi-auto, either Browning BDM or P226
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Bolt action .308 or .30-06 w/ really big scope
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Lever action carbine in same caliber as revolvers
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Pump action 12 Ga shotgun with slug and smooth barrels
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.22 rifle with scope, bolt or semi-auto
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Some of these are social, some hunting, but are all useful
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when the revolution comes ;-)
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**
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while we're at it, let's make this even more of a challenge ...
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how about 1 pistol, 1 rifle, 1 shotgun ... period. actually, given the
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current state of affairs in the white house, how unlikely is this??
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at any rate:
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rifle - 7mm mag
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shotgun - remington 870 wingmaster
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pistol - s&w .357
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sure, these aren't particularly exotic, but given the limitations .....
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for what it's worth
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mike
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**
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OK
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Rifle: M1A 7.62x51
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Shotgun: Benelli Super 90 M1, 12 gage
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Pistol: Glock 20, 10mm
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Regards,
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Barry.
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Barry Needham barry@uts.amdahl.com USA (408) 992-2527
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Rifle: SuperTuned HK-91, with the bullpup stock, and manual bolt
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lock (ie you can lock out the semi auto mode). I know it
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doesn't exist yet, but that's just a matter of money.
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[It's too bad that Coopers scout rifle never happened:
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it was supposed to be a semiauto, but no existing design
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lives up to all the requirements.]
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If you insist on something production, then: The Gunsite
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Scout Rifle by Clifton.
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Shotgun: Benelli Super 90 M1, 12 gage
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Pistol: A full custom CZ-75 451 Detonics Hybrid Comped, night sights,
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commander length (4.25" barrel). I know it doesn't exist (yet)
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but that's just a matter of $'s. With a 22lr and 9mm conversion
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>
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*1110 W. Green/Urbana IL 61801/217-333-0505/cbl@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu
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My opinion would be to make either the rifle or the pistol a .22LR. The idea
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is, for subsistence, you'll probably be eating a lot more small game than
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big game. Squirrels, birds, and you don't want to destroy the meat.
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As your stomach starts to shrink, you will also become more proficient on taking
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out deer with a .22. You just need to sneak in closer. Remember, it wouldn't
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be sport, it would be a hunt for survival, so you don't have the same sporting
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pressure for a one-shot kill (although of course the aesthetic pressure would
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still be there). Add the fact that you can carry more .22 cartridges with you.
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Dave
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Assuming a civil war type situation I would want
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(1) AK-47 full-auto folding-under stock in 7.63x39
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(2) Remington 700 PSS in .300 Winchester Magnum with a scope and night vision
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and suppressor
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(3) McMillan top of the line sniper rifle in .50, scope and night vision
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(4) a suppressed .22 LR bolt rifle, e.g., Ruger 77
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(5) a suppressed .45 pistol
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(6) a semi-auto 12 guage, e.g., Beretta 1201 FP
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(7) an HK MP5 in 9mm
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--
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Larry Cipriani, att!cblpf!lvc or lvc@cblpf.att.com
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"I just love the smell of gunpowder!" -- Bugs Bunny
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Hmmmm .... assuming tactical or practical use is important:
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1: Mossberg 500 with flashlight in slide { LAZER or similar} 20" barrel with
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rifled choke and rifle sights HK tac. sling.
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2: 1911 Springfield Armory 90S with flat mainspring housing, long trigger,
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Delrin spring guide or none at all, stainless match barrel NOT Stainless
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Steel frame or slide but pref. Parkerized. Trijicon sights.
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3:McMillan-built 7mm mag with Leupold Mk. 1 sights with inverted post
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reticle.
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4. S&W 25-5
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5. Win Trapper in matching caliber.
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6 S&W 41 5" Bbl with 50 mm LaserDot sight.
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7. Win series 70 iSafari in .458 WM
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weird enough?
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CHL
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