F I D O N E W S -- | Vol. 8 No. 47 (25 November 1991)
The newsletter of the |
FidoNet BBS community | Published by:
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|__U__| / \// | Editors:
_//|| _\ / | Tom Jennings
(_/(_|(____/ | Tim Pozar
(jm) |
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Table of Contents
1. EDITORIAL ..................................................... 1
Editorial: Nothing ............................................ 1
2. ARTICLES ...................................................... 2
A LISTING OF KNOWN OTHERNETS .................................. 2
Rebuttal to "A view from the outside, by Jonathan Guy" ........ 4
More About WorldPol ........................................... 5
3. LATEST VERSIONS ............................................... 7
Latest Greatest Software Versions ............................. 7
4. FIDONEWS INFORMATION .......................................... 12
FidoNews 8-47 Page 1 25 Nov 1991
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EDITORIAL
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Editorial: Nothing
by Tom Jennings (1:1/1)
This may be the shortest issue yet of FidoNews, at least since I've been
editoring it. And I haven't got much to say to lengthen.
ARTSPEC.DOC: can you believe, I still don't have a copy. Thom Henderson
tried to send me a copy, but for some (technical) reason, our two
programs aren't talking. Anyone else have a copy?
re: the historical rant of mine, a few issues back: my my, it's
surprising the amount of anger out there at the so-called "bullies
running the net", the phrase used in more than one letter, and none of
them were hateful rants/flames... people are pissed! I too don't like
the structure. Heirarchy was supposed to stay in the logical addressing
scheme, not in the social structure...
To satisfy my own curiosity, I started writing down what I would
consider the minimum rules for "all of us". I've had surprising results.
It's short (130 lines right now, will be condensed to under 100 I think)
and if it still looks sensible to me in a few weeks, I'll run it as an
article. (I love hate mail.)
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FidoNews 8-47 Page 2 25 Nov 1991
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ARTICLES
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By Ralph Merritt, 1:2605/611
A LISTING OF KNOWN OTHERNETS
Last Updated: 11/23/91
Hello, it's been awhile since I submitted this list to Fidonews.
I appreciate all the assistance and help you've been giving me on
this continuing project! If you're not already linked in, please
join us in the OTHERNETS echomail conference, which has just been
officially placed on the Fidonet Backbone! This should make it
more generally available to those of you who are interested.
Things have changed a bit. FREQing and maintaining the various
nodelists was a time consuming, expensive and a hassle, so instead
I've decided it's better to collect INFORMATION files. Hope you
find them useful!
The list is now divided into two parts... networks that reside in
zones (and maintain a nodelist) and networks that do not reside in
a zone (for example, file distribution networks, networks that are
composed of a specialized set of echos within Fidonet, etc).
The curent copy of this textfile is file-requestable as NETSALL.ART.
You might also try FREQing FILES for a complete listing off all the
OtherNet info files I carry (9600 HST DS w/V32b, V42b, Mail-only,
Front Door, 24 hrs).
Zone Coordinator Fidonet Info file to
Network Name Zone or Contact Address FREQ from me
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FidoNet (N. America) 1 George Peace 1:270/101 POLICY4.ARC
- Europe 2 Felix Kasza 2:310/111 "
- Oceania 3 Ray Chalmers 3:640/501 "
- South America 4 Gustavo Zacarias 4:900/222 "
- Africa 5 Henk Wolsink 5:494/2 "
- Asia 6 Honlin Lue 6:720/13 "
MacList 6 Tom Heffernan 1:269/369 MACLIST.ART
AlterNet 7 Karl Schinke 1:107/516
Cactus Quick-Net 7 Nick Hellens 1:114/63
RBBS-Net 8 Rod Bowman 1:10/8 RBBS-NET
The NETWORK 8 Bob Hoffman 1:11/50
Paranet 9 Michael Corbin 1:207/109 PARANET.ZIP
PhoenixNet 9 Glen Cranford n/a
Brigadoon 10 James Pallack 1:325/101 BRIGWEYR.ZIP
SwampNet 10 Daron Johnston 1:3800/9
OPCN 11 Jim Grubs 1:234/1
NASANET 13 Craig Barnett 1:15/20
KesherNet 18 Jason Frokin 1:108/185
FishNet 21 Jack Reece 1:102/835
MailNet (N. America) 20 Lanny Conn 1:280/315 MAILNET.ZIP
- Europe 21 Wolfgang Hryzak 2:313/12
FidoNews 8-47 Page 3 25 Nov 1991
- Asia 22 Vacant
- S. America 23 Vacant
SIGnet (Admin) 24 Jamie Penner 1:153/1025 SIGNET.ZIP
- Canada 25 Denis Tonn 1:153/908 "
- USA 26 Rick Hadsall 1:269/130 "
- Europe 27 Norbert Versluis 2:283/300 "
- Australia 28 Glen Harvy 3:713/700 "
- Asia 29 Wen-Jinq Lee n/a "
USCATCOM (USA) 31 Guy Hokanson 1:212/107 USCATCOM.ZIP
- South America 32 Vacant "
- Australia 33 Graeme Willox 3:640/297 "
- Asia 34 Vacant "
- Mediterranean 35 Vacant "
- Europe 36 Torben Kaspersen 2:230/113 "
- Africa 37 Vacant "
UltraLINK 32 Dave Bogard 1:103/940
AmigaNet N. America 40 Chuck Baker 1:108/250 AMIGANET.ZIP
- Europe 39 Vacant "
CandyNet 42 Dr Pepper 1:103/241
SuperNet - Europe 42 Tony Norman 2:201/224 SUPERNET.ARJ
- USA 43 Lee Anderson 1:139/650 "
4X4-NET 44 John Bierrie 1:11/140 4X4NET
ChatNet (UK) 44 Clive Walker n/a CHATLIST.ZIP
- USA 45 Steve Freoschke n/a "
- Germany 49 Klaus M. Ruebsam 2:247/816 "
- Spain 46 Jordi Murgo n/a "
Vervan's Gaming Net 45 Ron Lahti 1:202/607 VNETKIT1.ZIP
- Europe 46 Robbert Brown 2:286/300 "
EchoNet 50 Ed Lawyer 1:261/3000 ENETSYS.ZIP
CAPNet 55 David Boehm 1:103/234 CAPNET.ZIP
IntlNet (N. America) 56 Mark Howard 1:260/1
- Europe 57 Fabiano Fabris n/a
- Australia 58 Maurie Halkier 3:632/386
HobbyNet 57 Joe Adamson 1:147/16
DreamNet 63 Larry Houbre 1:101/863
OurNet 65 Robert Vanburkleo 1:106/285
ADULT_LINKS 69 Jim Deputy 1:103/158
APINET 69 Robert Eckert 1:269/304
InfoNet 70 Brandon Jones 1:284/17
HAMLINK 73 Jim Grubs 1:234/1
ICDM Net 77 Tomas Hood 1:352/777 ICDMSTRT.ZIP
LCRNET 77 Brian McCullough 1:342/7
SpectroNet 77 David Musick n/a
New Parents Network 79 Ken Salois 1:300/21 NP_NET.ZIP
UFONET_USA 80 John Hicks 1:363/29
UIBNET 82 Chloe Cannaday 1:102/1019 UIBNET
GateNet 84 Chloe Cannaday 1:102/1019 GATENET
USA Telegard Net 85 Jack Reece 1:102/835
ToadNet 86 Chelsea Carlstedt 1:100/375 TOADKIT.ZIP
TrekNet 87 Rob Lerman 1:203/57 TREKNET.ZIP
MUFONET-BBS Network 88 John Komar 1:123/16 MUFONET0.ZIP
IMEX (USA) 89 John Dunn n/a
- Australia 90 Gordon Castle 3:632/20
Saudi Net 90 Todd Looney 1:143/27 SAUDINET.ZIP
ICN 91 Rick Durso 1:272/28 ICNINFO.ZIP
ICN - Canada 91 Kevin Brook 1:141/745 "
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PODNet 93 Chuck Haynes 1:308/60 PODINFO.ZIP
ADAnet (tm) - USA 94 Al Cooper 1:202/606 ADANET7.ZIP
- Canada 95 Bill Freeman 1:3602/24 "
- Europe 95 Bill Freeman 1:3602/24 "
- Australia 95 Bill Freeman 1:3602/24 "
- Asia 95 Bill Freeman 1:3602/24 "
EggNet 99 Ralph Merritt 1:269/111 EGGPOL2.ZIP
MagNet 100 Michael Kane 1:272/20 MAGNET.ZIP
TibetNet 108 Indira Singh 1:107/835
SPUDNet 123 David Terracino n/a
SHELBY-Net 129 Guy Bullitt 1:135/46
PubNet 140 Dave Rigney 1:202/114
PoliceNet 150 Joseph Gaspard 1:202/724
InFiNet 177 David Helfrich 1:270/712
Hudson Valley Net 200 Jim Benedict 1:272/24
MetroNet (USA) 200 Jason Steck 1:104/424
- Canada 201 Cary Belger 1:134/33
SL_Net 250 Timothy Otty 1:275/123
FantasyNet 449 Scott Atkinson 1:134/79
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Non-Zone Based Networks
ANSInet Kevin Snively 1:116/29 ANSI.ZIP
CADnet Kevin Snively 1:116/29 CADNET.ZIP
CFN Harold Robbins CFNKIT.ZIP
ClipperNet Erik VanRiper 1:107/230 CLN
DTPN Erik Vanriper 1:107/230 JOINDTPN
DesqView Net Peter Stern 1:17/38 DNV-INF.LZH
FurNet Nicolai Shapiro 1:102/524 FURNET.ZIP
K12net Jack Crawford 1:260/620 K12_INFO.ZIP
PDN Erik Vanriper 1:107/230 PDNINFO.*
PRIME Steve Winter 1:151/208 PRIME.ZIP
RelayNet(tm) Bonnie Anthony n/a RIME.ZIP
SGANet Brian McConnell 1:114/15 SGANET.ZIP
SoundNet Bob Johnson 1:327/1 SOUNDPAK.ZIP
ThrobNet Douglas Kent n/a THROB1.ZIP
UtilNet Jerry Seward 1:260/222 n/a
WinNet Larry Mundy 1:130/38 WININFO.ZIP
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Rebuttal to "A view from the outside, by Jonathan Guy"
by William Westlake (A Grunt SysOp) 1:202/326
I have been "Modeming" for a number of years but have been
involved in Networks for only a short time. I have started and
am running my own network, in many ways similar to FidoNet. When
I started my own NET I felt to some degree like Mr. Guy, that
rules needed to be limited or almost non-existent. I quickly
discovered the difficulties in this.
FidoNews 8-47 Page 5 25 Nov 1991
I did not take Mr. Guy's article as a flame and I hope he does
not take this one as a Flame. It is true that Fido has rules and
some people don't like them. I have noticed that MOST people
accept them for exactly what they are. They are an attempt to
bring some degree of structure and orderliness to s system that
can quickly and easily turn into chaos. No doubt they can be
improved as all things can. I have yet to meet any *C's that are
POWER HUNGRY in any way. People who want POWER don't play games
with amerature networks.
There are a great many people who don't want rules at all.
They believe that FREEDOM means to DO WHAT THEY WANT PERIOD.
Rules are a good thing and I am quite glad that fido has them.
Mr. Guy should try to run and organize ANYTHING with no rules and
see how successful he is.
As for politics, huh? They exist in any organization that has
people! If you don't see any politics then some is missing,
either people or ORGANIZATION <GRIN>......
As for taking it seriously? Well it can be a serious business.
People don't need to depend upon something for their lively hood
for it to be serious. If you compare what we do to other
telecommunications like HAM radio the rules we have to deal with
are MINOR by comparison. If we were to eliminate all rules then
it would only be a matter of time before the government stepped
in and imposed it's own set.
In short, I don't think there is a single *C that believes the
Fido Net policy to be perfect, it can be improved and will be in
time. Have some patients with these things and remember that the
*C's are doing all of us a GREAT service by what they do FOR
FREE. I know I am a *C in my own NET....
William Westlake,
1:202/326@FidoNet
44:8100/104@4x4Net
99:99/0@SciFiNet
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A Message From 4:4/50, The WorldPol Project:
UPDATE ON WORLDPOL DISTRIBUTION
Four Zones Already Linked
The WORLDPOL echo, for those interested in participating in the
development of the WorldPol proposal to serve as FidoNet policy,
has expanded its distribution to two more zones. Here is the
current distribution scheme, worldwide:
FidoNews 8-47 Page 6 25 Nov 1991
Zone-1: WorldPol is being gated by the IDS and is distributed
independently by 1:128/77, 1:133/411, 1:142/928, 1:157/603,
1:250/99 and 1:273/909. You can request a feed from any of these
systems or from your echomail coordinator if you are in Region 12
(Eastern Canada).
Zone-2: WorldPol is now being gated to Europe by Noel Bradford in
London, England. Please contact him at 2:257/102 for a feed.
Zone-4: WorldPol is being gated by the IDS and is available all
throughout the official echomail distribution system in Zone-4.
Any inquires can be addressed to 4:900/202.
Zone-6: WorldPol is now being gated to Asia by Honlin Lue in
Taipei, Taiwan. Please contact him at 6:720/13 for a feed.
NOTICE -- If you have trouble getting a feed from any of the
aforementioned nodes, please send net-mail to the moderator of
WORLDPOL, Pablo Kleinman, at 1:102/631.
This echo is open to everyone interested in collaborating with
the proposal to replace FidoNet Policy, known as WORLDPOL 2b.
We are working to further its distribution to the remaining two
zones, to increase international participation at this new stage.
If you can collaborate with this, please contact the WorldPol
Project at 4:4/50 or 1:102/631. Thank you.
WORLDPOL version 2b is available for file-request in Zone 1 at
1:102/631 (HST/24hrs) with magic name WORLDPOL.
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FidoNews 8-47 Page 7 25 Nov 1991
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LATEST VERSIONS
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Latest Greatest SoftWare Versions
Last Update: 11/14/91
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MS-DOS Systems
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BBS Software Network Mailers Other Utilities
Name Version Name Version Name Version
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Aurora 1.32b* D'Bridge 1.30 2DAPoint 1.41*
DreamBBS 1.05 Dreamer 1.06 ARCAsim 2.31
Genesis Deluxe 3.2* FrontDoor 2.02* DEMM 1.06
Kitten 1.01 InterMail 2.01 DGMM 1.06
Maximus-CBCS 2.00* Milqtoast 1.00 DOMAIN 1.42
Merlin 1.39n PreNM 1.48* EEngine 0.32*
ProBoard 1.17* SEAdog 4.60 EMM 2.10*
QuickBBS 2.75* SEAmail 1.01@ EZPoint 2.1
RemoteAccess 1.10* 4Dog/4DMatrix 1.18
SimplexBBS 1.05 FGroup 1.00
Socrates 1.11 NodeList Utilities GateWorks 3.06e*
TAG 2.5g Name Version GMD 3.10*
TComm/TCommNet 3.4 -------------------- GMM 1.21
WWIV 4.20 FDND 1.10 GoldEd 2.31p
Parselst 1.33* GROUP 2.23
XlaxNode/Diff 2.53* GUS 1.40*
HeadEdit 1.18
IMAIL 1.20
Compression InterPCB 1.31
Utilities Lola 1.01d
Name Version MSG 4.2*
-------------------- MsgLnk 1.0c
ARC 7.12* MsgMstr 2.03a*
ARJ 2.20 MsgNum 4.16d
LHA 2.13 Netsex 2.00b*
PAK 2.51 Oliver 1.0a
PKPak 3.61 PolyXarc 2.1a
PKZip 1.10 QM 1.00a*
QSort 4.04
Raid 1.00
SquishMail 1.00*
StarLink 1.01
TCOMMail 2.2
TGroup 1.13
TMail 1.21
TPBNetEd 3.2
Tosscan 1.00
FidoNews 8-47 Page 8 25 Nov 1991
UFGATE 1.03
VPurge 4.09e*@
WildMail 1.01b*
XRS 4.51*
ZmailH 1.25*
OS/2 Systems
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BBS Software Network Mailers Other Utilities
Name Version Name Version Name Version
-------------------- -------------------- --------------------
Kitten 1.01 BinkleyTerm 2.50* ARC 7.12
Maximus-CBCS 2.00 BinkleyTerm(S) 2.50*@ ARC2 6.01*
SimplexBBS 1.04.02+ SEAmail 1.01@ EZPoint 2.1@
FGroup 1.00@
GROUP 2.23@
LH2 2.11*
MSG 4.2*
MsgEd 2.06c*
MsgLink 1.0c
MsgNum 4.16d*
oMMM 1.52
Omail 3.1
Parselst 1.33*
PKZip 1.02
PMSnoop 1.30*@
PolyXOS2 2.1a
QSort 2.1
Raid 1.0
Remapper 1.2
SquishMail 1.00
VPurge 4.09e*
Xenix/Unix 386
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BBS Software Network Mailers Other Utilities
Name Version Name Version Name Version
-------------------- -------------------- --------------------
|Contact: Jon Hogan-uran 3:711/909, |
|Willy Paine 1:343/15 or Eddy van Loo|
|2:285/406 |
Apple II
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BBS Software Network Mailers Other Utilities
Name Version Name Version Name Version
-------------------- -------------------- --------------------
DDBBS + 8.0* Fruity Dog 2.0 deARC2e 2.1
GBBS Pro 2.1 ProSel 8.70*
FidoNews 8-47 Page 9 25 Nov 1991
ShrinkIt 3.30*
|Contact: Dennis McClain-Furmanski 1:275/42| ShrinkIt GS 1.04
Apple CP/M
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BBS Software Network Mailers Other Utilities
Name Version Name Version Name Version
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Macintosh
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BBS Software Network Mailers Other Software
Name Version Name Version Name Version
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Point System
Software
Name Version
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MacWoof 1.1
Amiga
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BBS Software Network Mailers Other Software
Name Version Name Version Name Version
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DLG Pro. 0.96b TrapDoor 1.80 Areafix 1.48
Falcon CBCS 1.00 AReceipt 1.5
Paragon 2.082+ ChameleonEdit 0.11*
XenoLink 1.0 Compression ElectricHerald 1.66
Utilities GCChost 3.6b@
Name Version MessageFilter 1.52
NodeList Utilities -------------------- Message View 1.12@
Name Version UnZip 4.1 oMMM 1.49b
-------------------- TrapToss 1.20*
TrapList 1.40 Yuck! 2.02*
|Contact: Maximilian Hantsch 2:310/6|
Atari ST/TT
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BBS Software Network Mailers Other Utilities
Name Version Name Version Name Version
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FIDOdoor/ST 2.5.1* Burep 1.1@
FiFo 2.1v ComScan 1.04
QuickBBS/ST 1.04 Echoscan 1.10
FidoNews 8-47 Page 10 25 Nov 1991
FDrenum 2.5.2*
Import 1.14
Compression Trenum 0.10
Utilities
Name Version
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LHARC 2.01e
UnJARST 2.00
WhatArc 2.02
Archimedes
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BBS Software Network Mailers Other Utilities
Name Version Name Version Name Version
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Tandy Color Computer 3 (OS-9 Level II)
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BBS Software Compression Utility Other Utilities
Name Version Name Version Name Version
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RiBBS 2.02 OS9ARC (Arc) 1.0 Ascan 1.2
OS9ARC (Dearc) 1.0 AutoFRL 2.0
DEARC CKARC 1.1
UNZIP 3.10 EchoCheck 1.01
FReq 2.5a
LookNode 2.00
ParseLST
RList 1.03
RTick 2.00
UnSeen 1.1
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Key: + - Netmail Capable (Doesn't Require Additional Mailer Software)
* - Recently Updated Version
@ - New Addition
# - Commercial SoftWare(Not In Use Yet)
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Utility Authors: Please help keep this list up to date by reporting
all new versions to 1:103/950 in this format:
1) Software Name & Version 2) FileName.Ext
3) Support Node Address 4) Support BBS Phone Number
FidoNews 8-47 Page 11 25 Nov 1991
Note: It is not our intent to list all utilities here, only those
which verge on necessity. If you want it updated in the next
FidoNews, get it to me by Thursday evening.
--David French, 1:103/950
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FidoNews 8-47 Page 12 25 Nov 1991
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FIDONEWS INFORMATION
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Published weekly by and for the Members of the FidoNet international
amateur electronic mail system. It is a compilation of individual
articles contributed by their authors or their authorized agents. The
contribution of articles to this compilation does not diminish the
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of the authors and not necessarily those of FidoNews.
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FidoNews 8-47 Page 13 25 Nov 1991
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