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SUBJECT: COMPUSERVE CONFERENCE TRANSCRIPT 11/15/87 FILE: UFO3219
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Compuserve Conference Transcript
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Issues Forum
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11/15/87 08:00:00 PM EST
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User User ID Nod Rm Name / Forum Area
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22 75376,1620 CVK 18 Dale B. Wedge (Chardon, Ohio)
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32 72135,424 PNX 18 Drax (Jim Speiser, Arizona)
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38 76703,266 WBR 18 G-WIZ (Georgia Griffith, Sysop)
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61 76367,2003 AAK 18 BOB (Bob Esposito, FAA, Anchorage)
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(BOB) Greetings, everyone. I was having a little trouble with my terminal,
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(BOB) but everything seems OK now.
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(Drax) Good....
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(G-WIZ) buy IBM. GA
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(Dale B. Wedge) Stock that is!!!
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(G-WIZ) ha!
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(Drax) Bob, you were in the Anchorage ARTCC the day after "it" happened,
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right?
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(BOB) ok...
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(BOB) Actually, I was working at the center...
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(BOB) but that evening I was off duty....
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(BOB) The next day...
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(BOB) everyone was talking about "it"....
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(BOB) but I wasn't there the exact moment. GA
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(Drax) What was the concensus of opinion the day....
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(Drax) after? "Strange" or "not so strange" or "joke" or what? GA
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(BOB) OK...
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(BOB) The atmosphere was lighthearted seriousness....
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(BOB) the people I overheard believed there was a true ufo
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(BOB) ....
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(BOB) but no one mentioned one of extraterrestrial origin....
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(BOB) But those who were directly involved...
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(BOB) or who had been in the area...
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(BOB) said there was definitely something there...
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(BOB) which was confirmed first by the controllers at the adjacent air...
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(BOB) force base....
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(BOB) and then denied by them. GA.
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(Dale B. Wedge) Yeah Venus or Jupiter
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(Drax) OK....
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(Drax) about the air force base....
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(Drax) its my understanding that....
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(Drax) Elmendorf uses the same raw radar signals that the ARTCC does....
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(Drax) in other words, returns from the same equipment....
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(Drax) just that their computers and scopes do their own interpreting...
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(Drax) is that not right? GA
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(BOB) OK....
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(BOB) For the most part...
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(BOB) that is true. However....
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(BOB) the air force has more sophistcated radar that the Center does not have..
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(BOB) access to....
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(BOB) In fact...
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(BOB) one of the Elmendorf controllers (I only know her by her first name...
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(BOB) Sherry).....
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(BOB) told me she used two different radars....
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(BOB) to get two different returns...
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(BOB) and one radar report confirmed the other sighting report.
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(Drax) GA?
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(BOB) In truth,
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(BOB) the ARTCC radar is only supplemental to Elmendorfs.....
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(BOB) but Elmendorf does not share with the Center......
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(BOB) until the near future - six months or so - when the air force...
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(BOB) radar is supposed to become accesible to the Center for civilian...
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(BOB) ATC purposes. GA.
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(Drax) OK....
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(Drax) If Phil Klass is to be believed,....
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(Drax) this sort of thing happens routinely at radar stations....
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(Drax) anomalous radar returns, which can be caused by anything from....
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(Dale B. Wedge) ?
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(Drax) clouds to birds to double returns to mountain tops...
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(Drax) has this been your experience? (GA, then Dale has a qustion)
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(Drax) Bob? Still there?
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(BOB) OK.....
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(BOB) My terminal stuck again.....
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(BOB) The question about....
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(BOB) ambiguous returns is correct....
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(BOB) an experienced controller must distinguish between....
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(BOB) true and false reports.....
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(BOB) The three on sector 15 that night were all experienced FPL's...
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(BOB) one was an instructor...
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(BOB) and all are serious about their work. GA.
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(Drax) OK, Dale GA
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(Dale B. Wedge) Mr. Klass has told us many things....
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(Dale B. Wedge) First, that the pilot was a third time reporter of UFO's...
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(Drax) (Fifth time!)
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(Drax) (eventually)
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(Dale B. Wedge) and second that when the JAL was flying, they vectored an
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American Airlines pilot in the vicinity who saw nothing....
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(Dale B. Wedge) even though the JAL captain saw the mothership...Care to
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answer?
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(Dale B. Wedge) ga
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(Drax) (United, but ignore me, I'm Mr. Know it All)
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(BOB) OK....
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(BOB) I am aware that the JAL pilot....
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(BOB) has a reputation for sightings...
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(BOB) I was not aware of the United pilot who saw nothing....
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(BOB) I propose that I ...
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(BOB) get one of the controllers here for a ....
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(BOB) future meeting...
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(BOB) and maybe the EDF controller....
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(BOB) to answer your questions from a first party point of view....
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(BOB) and not as heresay. What do you think of that. GA.
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(Drax) Great idea, if you could get "Sherry", and/or the guy from EDF,....
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(Drax) terrific,....
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(Drax) About Sherry....
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(Drax) You mentioned to me in Email that she was told to write up....
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(Drax) the report and to "make it good" because...
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(Drax) it was "bound for the President's desk". That's pretty...
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(Drax) interesting, she told you this herself? GA
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(BOB) OK....
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(BOB) Yes....
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(BOB) last week after our conference I had dinner with her, my wife,...
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(BOB) and her friend Adella....
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(BOB) Sherry stated last week to me unequivocally...
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(BOB) that she was playing poker when the excitement happened....
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(BOB) she went to her scope and confirmed for the Center...
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(BOB) that there was a UFO in the airspace....
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(BOB) and that later on her supervisor....
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(BOB) had her prepare a written report...
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(BOB) and to "make it good"....
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(BOB) because it was going to the President's desk....
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(BOB) I interpreted "make it good" from the context....
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(BOB) as meaning to put the report in proper format....
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(BOB) and to report objectively. I'd certainly like her....
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(BOB) to restate that comment for you in her own words. GA.
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(Drax) Would there be any way at all of getting....
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(Drax) a copy of that report? Do you know if it was made part of the
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package....
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(Drax) that the FAA released? GA
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(BOB) OK...
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(BOB) Sorry, I don't know... but I'll find out for you....
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(BOB) and do what I can to get a copy. I'll let you know....
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(BOB) in a day or so... it won't be hard to contact her. GA.
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(Drax) That would be great....
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(Drax) you're a what, a programmer at the Center? GA
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(BOB) OK...
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(BOB) Yes...
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(BOB) I'm a computer programmer - system manager - of the Hewlett Packard..
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(BOB) system we call OCS...
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(BOB) for Offshore Computer System - that produces...
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(BOB) flight information strips at the individual ATC sectors. GA.
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(Drax) OK...
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(Drax) there was a report in California UFO Magazine recently,...
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(Drax) by T. Scott Crain....
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(Drax) who said that the tapes of the incident were not shipped ...
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(Drax) directly to Washington, but instead were diverted to some....
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(Drax) Federal facility in Atlantic City, where they supposedly have....
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(Drax) computers that analyze just such material....
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(Drax) Crain gave the impression that they not only can analyze, they...
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(Drax) can MAKE CHANGES in the readouts, by digital restructuring....
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(Drax) in your opinion, can such changes be made? GA
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(BOB) OK....
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(BOB) If my memory serves correctly....
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(BOB) the story at ANC ARTCC shortly after the incident...
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(BOB) was that the computer DISC on which the critical data was recorded...
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(BOB) was hand delivered by the assistant regional director...
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(BOB) HANK ELIAS...
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(BOB) to Washington, DC, for analysis....
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(BOB) However, the logical place for analysis is at the....
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(BOB) FAA Technical Center in Pomona, near Atlantic City,...
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(BOB) where, in fact, I worked in the terminal field support unit for three
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(BOB) years before I came to Alaska.....
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(BOB) I used similar discs in my work at the Tech Center....
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(BOB) (tapes are used only for backup)...
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(BOB) and yes,...
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(BOB) you can write as well as read to those discs....
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(BOB) I have never heard of a suspicion that the disc we are speaking of was...
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(BOB) altered, however. GA.
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(Drax) Crain also said that he had spoken to an officer at EDF who said....
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(Drax) that jets were scrambled. He didn't give the guy's name, however....
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(Drax) did you hear anything like that?
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(Drax) GA
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(BOB) OK...
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(BOB) I have not heard of a scramble....
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(BOB) but Sherry would be able to answer. Her position as controller at....
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(BOB) the ROCC ID (for Regional Operations Command Center Identification)...
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(BOB) makes her privy to such info. GA.
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(Drax) Thanks.....OK.....
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(Drax) one more question, then I have a more serious matter to attend to....
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(Drax) (Sunday night bowling league)....
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(Drax) Did anyone at the ARTCC report to you any pressure to "keep quiet"?
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(BOB) OK....
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(Drax) (and make it good, this is bound for Maccabees desk)
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(BOB) One of the controllers, Sam Rich, made some statements to the local..
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(BOB) press right after, stating the presence of a UFO. He got into hot
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(BOB water...
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(BOB) at the Center and was instructed to keep quiet. All questions....
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(BOB) were to be referred to Paul Steuke....
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(BOB) the region's PR man....
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(BOB) and a notice was posted for all of us to adhere....
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(BOB) to that rule. I'm not aware of any other gag order. GA.
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(Drax) Fascinating....
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* -------->>> THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo <<<------- *
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