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SUBJECT: A NEST OF INFO ON GULFBREEZE UFOs FILE: UFO1650
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PART 36
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[Transcript of an Online Conference with Carol and Rex Salisberry. Two MUFON
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UFO investigators in the Gulf Breezes, Florida case. Terry Ecker acts as a
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local host. Sunday, Septmeber 2, 1990]
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User User ID Nod Area Name
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1 76146,2631 HLV Rm 5 Vince
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2 76703,266 DUK Rm 5 G-WIZ
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3 76012,3361 BMD Rm 5 Ted
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4 71450,3504 ANN Rm 5 Bert
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5 71207,1165 PSF Rm 5 Rex & Carol
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6 76004,340 QGD Rm 5 Jack
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7 70431,3543 PRI Rm 5 Paula
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8 72540,1652 DWC Rm 5 Tom
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15 74270,3360 SIF Rm 5 DON
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(5-3,Ted) Tonights special guests are Carol and Rex Salisberry MUFON
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investigators on the Gulf Breezes UFO case. Carol and Rex wil discuss and
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answer questions about the numerous sighting in the area. Because the case
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is still on going and also because of all the senstionalist press the Ed
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Walters case is NOT one they wish to debate. Many thanks to Terry Ecker
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foracting as the local host in Florida. With that behind us, Carol? Rex? Do
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you have any opening remarks? ga
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(5-5,Rex & Carol) We just want o thank you for having us as guests. ga
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(5-1,Vince) ?
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(Bert) ?
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(5-6,Jack) ?
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(5-3,Ted) I will open the floor to ? and !. Please type a "?" or a "!" if you
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have a question or comment and I will take your name down and flag you when
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it is your turn. GA Vince
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(5-1,Vince) Rex would like to know your background and how you became
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interested in ufo's?
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(5-5,Rex & Carol) Retired Air Force 31 years rasnk colonel, pilot for 20
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plus, R&D last 15 years. POresently teach college parttime. Have always
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been interested in UFOs, just been more active past couple of years Carol and
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a friend saw three daylight disks in spring of 88, Pardon Terry's typing. ga
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(5-3,Ted) Bert is next GA
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(Bert) ok...
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Rex and Carol, one of the more significant signtings by multiple
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witnesses seems to have been the one on Sept. 12, 1989 involving
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about 35 witnesses including 12 MUFON investigators. The recent
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in the Sentinel (9/21/89) suggested that this was a
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"type II" object (i.e. like photos 20 and 22 in the "book").
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I understand that Bruce Maccabee analyzed photographs of this event
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Have the results of this analysis been completed and was the object
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indeed a "type II'? Also have your own investigations involved this
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particular event or related events? Thanks. GA
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(5-5,Rex & Carol) First, we doubt that there were 35 witnesses.
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Anyway, fewer than half saw it, and not all of
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the MUFON investigators saw it. It was just aq red dot kin the sky.
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One photo was taken, not nalyzed to our knowledge.
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We don't consider that a significant sighting by any means. ga
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(5-3,Ted) Jack is next. GA
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(5-6,Jack) Rex and Carol , I am most interested in any physical evidence
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that may be associated
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with the GB sightings. Has any been found or is the bulk of the evidence
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primarily photos and sightings ? ga
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(5-5,Rex & Carol) Many persons have mysterious physical marks
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on their bodies, such as puncture wounds, new scars with no previous wound,
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etc. Not many photos, and few of them show much. We have a few small pieces
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of metal which were gathered from inside the car after the driver was struck
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by something on the left shoulder; metal not yet analyzed. ga
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(5-10,Steve) ?
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(5-3,Ted) GA Steve
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(5-10,Steve) Rex, As a retired military officer. What is your opinion as to
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the extent of official government cover up and/or involvment at GB and at
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other UFO sites, ga
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(5-5,Rex & Carol) We think it's obvious the government has always covered up
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to someextent. We have no evidence to indicate government involvement in
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the cases here. ga
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(Bert)?
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(5-3,Ted) While we are waiting for the next round of ?s and !s I have a ?
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Carol or Rex, just how many people have sighted the GB UFO and how many have
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shown body markings? ga
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(5-5,Rex & Carol) Gulf Breeze UFO is misleading. Many different types have been
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seen, all shapes, all sizes some with markings, some with windows.
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Triangular shapes transparent UFOs, arrow head shapes, cigar shaped and disks.
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The GB (Walters) UFO not seen by many. ga
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(5-11,CosmicThAng/Philly) ?
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(5-3,Ted) GA Bert
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(Bert) Could you describe one or two of what you feel are your most significant
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cases. Particularly involving on of the skin wounds if possible. ga
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(5-3,Ted) Good ? Bert GA C&R
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(5-5,Rex & Carol) Two witnesses, mother and daughter, are with us tonight.
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One has wounds on her arm in the shape of the object she saw, delta shaped.
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They wer standing in their driveway; the object covered their yard and the
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yard next door - about 150 feet. Had a bright white light on front, a red
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light on each corner. It was followed by a cigar shaped object with a white
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light on the left and a red light on the right; both were followed by a very
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small red light that appeared to be trying to catch up. There was no sound.
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We just held hands as they went over us at treetop level. We jumped in our
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car and tried to follow it, lost sight, but seen again six miles to the east
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in reverse order. ga
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(5-3,Ted) Any missing time? ga
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(Bert) ?follow
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(5-5,Rex & Carol) Not that either is aware of. They were disoriented and
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lethargic for a few days. Hypnosis has been attempted with no conclusive
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results so far. Body markings are as yet unexplained. ga
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(5-3,Ted) Bert has a follow up ? Then it's Matt's turn. GA Bert
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(5-5,Rex & Carol) Hi Don.
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(Bert) Have the two witnesses had any further sightings and/or is this a
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one-time thing? ga
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(5-15,DON) Hello all.
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(5-5,Rex & Carol) Yes, many times beginning in 1958 and some since. On one
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occasion we followed one to their house and all four of us saw it. ga
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Same object shape etc.?ga
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(5-6,Jack) ?
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(5-1,Vince) ?
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(5-5,Rex & Carol) They have seen several sizes and shapes. The one we
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followed to their house was just a round white ball. ga
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(5-3,Ted) Matt GA
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(5-3,Ted) Matt are you still with us? ga
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(5-11,CosmicThAng/Philly) Not on the list.
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(5-5,Rex & Carol) !
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(5-3,Ted) Ok Matt, I had you down for a ? my mistake. GA R&C
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[NOTE: Ted was having problems with his CIM Software and CosmicThAng/Philly
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was showing up as Matt on his computer. Hence, a LOT of confusion!]
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(5-5,Rex & Carol) We have one long term case dating back 16 years to the
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abduction of the mother in Germany. Through hypnosis she has total recall of
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the event and has povided detailed descriptions of the craft and the
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entities. Th craft was a 40 foot disk with a crew of six. One had died nd a
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second ship was bringing a replacement crew member. Entities looked like
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greys in silver suits. They seemed capable of emotion such as anger,
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compassion, etc. The family has had more than 20 sightings here during the
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past year. ga
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(5-11,CosmicThAng/Philly) ?
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(5-3,Ted) Ok GA MATT
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(Bert) Looks like only Ted can see Matt the phantom.ga
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(5-3,Ted) Ok Jack is next GA Jack
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(5-5,Rex & Carol) No Matt on the list here.
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(5-6,Jack) Ok...
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(Bert) Hmmmm, not here.ga
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(5-11,CosmicThAng/Philly) Wait a second. Ted says I'm Matt. I'm CosmisThAng
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and I'm next. ga
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(5-6,Jack) Regarding the pieces of metal when is the completed analysis
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expected? ga
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(5-5,Rex & Carol) Analysis will *begin* when we find someone who can do it.
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(cheap). ga
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(Bert) ?
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(5-11,CosmicThAng/Philly) ?
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(5-3,Ted) GA Vince
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(5-1,Vince) Is there any local concern by citizens in the area is there any
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local govt concern for citizens safety or is there not concern?
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(5-5,Rex & Carol) Well, we would say that spreading interest is more descriptive
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than concern, although some do have concerns. Local government seems to have
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no official position but are very cooperative with us on investigastions. We
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know of no one who has been physically harmed by the phenomena, except for
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the small wounds we have mentioned. ga
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(5-7,Paula) ?
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(5-3,Ted) Folks Css is next. For some reason (probably a CIM bug) he is
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showing up as Matt on my list. Oh, well, GA Cosmic
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(5-11,CosmicThAng/Philly) My questions also deal with bodily marks.
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Is there an repeated pattern as to mark type or location?? To re-ask Ted's ?,
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how many GB folks have marks? Also is there any history or occu4rance of
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migraine headache disorders among the potential abductees? ga
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(5-5,Rex & Carol) No identifiable pattern of marks locally, butt call-ins
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from other areas have triangular marks mainly. Don't know how many Pensacola
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area folks have marks. (We say Pensacola area since most events happen
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outside of GB. There are many folks with migraine headaches, buzzing in the
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ears. There is possible correlation with contactees. ga
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(Bert) ?
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(5-3,Ted) GA Bert
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(Bert) Actually I think Paula is next. ga
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(5-3,Ted) GA Paula
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(5-7,Paula) If not, any theories? Thanks ga
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(5-9,Russ) ?
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(5-5,Rex & Carol) No, but for what it's worth, one name we were given
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was Zorcon. We have another contactee with us tonight whose experience goes
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back at least 16 years and has written a book on the subject. ga
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(5-3,Ted) I want to hear more about that after Bert"s ? ga Bert
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(Bert) Rex, can you describe the metal object (poss. alien artifact) that
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you mentioned earlier? ga
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(5-5,Rex & Carol) Very small, BB size, rough ut shiny, like little metl
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pebbles. ga
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(5-3,Ted) ANy follow Bert?
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(Bert) Yes, does it break appart easily? And have you looked at it under a
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microscope? ga
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(5-5,Rex & Carol) No, we can't break it. It hasn't yet been examined under
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microscope.
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(5-3,Ted) Since I have obviously been have a problem with CIM software
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tonight I want to be sure that i have not missed anybody...
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(5-3,Ted) Is there anyone out there that has been skipped over? ga
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(5-9,Russ) ?
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(5-3,Ted) GA Russ
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(5-1,Vince) ?
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(5-9,Russ) I was wondering if you have noticed any change in the frequency
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of sightings in Florida since 1958? ga
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(5-5,Rex & Carol) Can't say since 58. Frequence has been relatively constant
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the last three years. Before that we weren't here or involved. There are
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reports of considerable activity on Eglin AFB in 1976-77-78-79. ga
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(5-3,Ted) Vince is next. Ga
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(5-9,Russ) ?
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(Bert) ?
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(5-1,Vince) Rex, when did you retire and did you have any military related
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sightings?
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(5-5,Rex & Carol) 1983. Sighting in early 60s hih over KC. Mo. We were at
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33,000 and UFO up around 40,000. K.C. paper next day reported a landing in
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Kansas. ga
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(5-7,Paula) ?
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(5-3,Ted) GA Russ
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(5-9,Russ) Have thre been any reports of the infamous "Men In Black"?
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(5-5,Rex & Carol) No. Carol had one Man in Black reporting and nother
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witness claims to have seen alien at the MUFON Symposium in July. ga
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(5-3,Ted) GA Bert
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(Bert) Your mentioning of a "buzzing in the ear" of a number of witnesses
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is this the same type of buzzing involved in the Walters' case? Also
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is the support group still meeting -- i.e. in the absence of Overlaid?
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And if so, how many people attending. Thanks. ga
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(5-5,Rex & Carol) No on the Walters hum, other have hih pitched ringing while
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others have moderate hum, sometimes with sightings. Support group dissolved
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before Overlade died. ga
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(5-3,Ted) Paula is next GA
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(5-7,Paula) Excuse my ignorance (I'm new to this topic), but what does MUFON
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stand for? Also tell us about the book you mentioned earlier. Thanks ga
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(5-5,Rex & Carol) MUFON = Mutual UFO Network. The book is *Star Bright, Star
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White* by Norman Hill of Pensacola. I don't know whether it's permitted to
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talk about the book, price of how to get it. Will let Ted say. ga
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(5-3,Ted) Plug away! ga
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(5-5,Rex & Carol) P.O. Box 16040, Warrington FL 32507. $10 plus $2
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shipping & handling this is a self published hardcover book by a man who has
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had many sightings east of here, near Tallahassee, and numerous contacts with
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several different entity groups. Normn has spent many nights camping at the
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site where he has seen UFOS tkoff and land - the same site where. The site is
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on St. Joe Paper Co. land. ga
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(5-3,Ted) GA Vince (then Cosmic)
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(5-1,Vince) ok...
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(5-1,Vince) Are we any closer to solving the mystery and does there appear to
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be any govt interest in the GB area sightings.ga
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(5-5,Rex & Carol) We see no signs of government interest here, nor that we are
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close to solving the mystery. Sorry. ga
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(5-10,CosmicThAng/Philly) Got a follow up, Vince? ga
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(5-1,Vince) no
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(5-3,Ted) GA Cos
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(5-10,CosmicThAng/Philly) R&C: You said earlier that the hum sound
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correlated with sightings. Did you mean to indicate that all sounds
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correlated (thusly)?..or just the hum sound. Any correlation with the high
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(5-5,Rex & Carol) The hum, etc. and sightings are seldom simultaneous,
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apparently.Correlation is only possible, not established. ga
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(5-3,Ted) GA Bert
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(Bert) Regarding the metal pieces recovered
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did I understand correctly that there are several pieces that all
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appeared during the same event and that they are all BB sized hard
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objects? ga
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(5-5,Rex & Carol) Yes, three of them. ga
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(Bert) ?follow
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(5-3,Ted) GA Bert
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(5-1,Vince) ?
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(Bert) Where were they found? i.e. on the floor of the car or
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"stuck" to something in the car? thanks. ga
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(5-5,Rex & Carol) On the floor. ga
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(5-3,Ted) GA Vince
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(5-1,Vince) Have you had any other military flyers relate ufo incidents to
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you and was yours reported?ga
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(5-5,Rex & Carol) Other flyiers yes, but not for the record. Ours not
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reported. ga
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(Bert) ?
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(5-3,Ted) GA Bert
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(Bert) Anything new on the AWOL group? And what do you think of this strange
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scenario? ga
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(5-6,Bruce G) ?
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(5-1,Vince) ?
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(5-5,Rex & Carol) We talked to four of them three or four weeks ago. They
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said they know nothing of "Rapture" or finding the anti-Christ. They repeated
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they felt they had to leave Germany but not U.S. Army. Claimed they liked
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their work. They had been reading the Bible, mostly. Revelations. Possible
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they may have experienced paranormal things in Germany. These paranormal
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events continued after they left. They consider themselves as being a simple
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AWOL case. They had hoped to meet Bill Cooper since one of his papers bears
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similarity to their reading of the Bible. They intend to release details of
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their experience to the media soon. ga
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(5-10,CosmicThAng/Philly) ?
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(5-3,Ted) GA Vince
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(5-1,Vince) Pretty serious offense (AWOL) did the army just let them go and
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what were their motives?ga
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(5-5,Rex & Carol) AWOL is not too serious. Most go back. Reportedly Army has
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600 AWOLs a month. Army granted general discharges to these six. Their
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motives were to leave Germany, which they have not yet explained. ga
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(5-3,Ted) GA Cosmic!
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(5-1,Vince) ?
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(5-10,CosmicThAng/Philly) Dealing strictly with pure, unsubstantiated
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instinct. Dis you feel that the GB6 were speaking with total candor. Did they
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seem afraid of saying the wrong thing? ga
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(5-5,Rex & Carol) Yes, we thought they were speaking with candor, and they
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were not afraid. We had been aware of their interest in the writings of
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Bill Cooper for several months before their arrival in GB....
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(5-5,Rex & Carol) We are also aware of their interest in psychic studies. ga
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(5-10,CosmicThAng/Philly) follow up?
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(5-3,Ted) Follow Cos?
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(5-10,CosmicThAng/Philly) So the GB & UFO connections are pure coincidence???
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Bill Cooper and GB, BOTH?? ga
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(5-5,Rex & Carol) It appears to be coincidence at this time. They came to GB
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to visit a friend. They think their AWOL case has been blown out of
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proportion as well as their "involvement" with UFOs. ga
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(Bert) ? Ted got dumped. Rex with all the sightings by multiple witnesses
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I think there are 290 plus now, if I remember correctly,. has there been any
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thought of having an organized ffort to request (or perhaps DEMAND) an
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official investigation i.e. by government officials. I would think there
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would be enough people to sign something that would give it a little weight.
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But of course we know what the gov. position would probably be. ga
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(5-1,Vince) ?
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(5-5,Rex & Carol) Most witnesses are reluctant to have their names divulged,
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such as the signing a petition. Any demand would have to be made at
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presidential level since decision to withhold UFO information is also made
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at that level. We locally lack clout to demand anything. We consider
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ourselves fortunate that so many witnesses/contactees have the guts to share
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their experiences with us. We would hate to dry up that source. ga
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(5-8,Ted ) Sorry folks I got dumped. Who is next? ga
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(Bert) I think Vince is up.
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(5-1,Vince) I agree AWOL as such is not that serious but most are just guys
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that oversleep. It doesn't appear that they had any intention of returning
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and what or where is it stated that the release of UFO information is made at
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presedential level?ga
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(5-5,Rex & Carol) At the time of their arrest the six were debating their
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futures turn themselves in to the Army, hide out in the hills or what. They
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repeated several times that their intuition was to leave Germany and not the
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Army. If you believe the MJ-12 documents and the President Carter statements
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regarding UFOs, one could form the conclusion that such decisions are indeed
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made at presidential level. The one case with which I am familiar involving a
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foreign country, the disclosure decisions were made by the president. ga
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(5-1,Vince) follow
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(5-8,Ted ) GA Vince
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(5-6,Bruce G) ?
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(5-1,Vince) If you believe in the MJ-12 documents there has to be a large
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scale coverup and a large infrastructure in not only the military but other
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agencies to manage the wealth of information, sightings etc that continue to
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be reported. This appears to be too well hidden.ga
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(5-5,Rex & Carol) It is hard to know how large the infrastructure might be,
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however in personal contact with former Bluebook workers and others, they
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relate that considerable UFO related information was systematically withheld
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from the public. ga
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(5-8,Ted ) GA Bruce
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(5-6,Bruce G) This may sound silly, but is there a viable alternative to the
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gov't as far as the public is concerned, to report incidental contacts or
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sightings...
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(5-6,Bruce G) like a 1-900-SAW-AUFO? ga
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(5-8,Ted ) $25 for the first 30 seconds! <g>
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(5-5,Rex & Carol) There is MUFON, n international reporting and investigative
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organization independent of the government. ga
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(5-8,Ted ) Anyone else with a ? or ! ga
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(Bert)
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?
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(5-8,Ted ) GA Bert
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(Bert) Rex and Carol, is there anything going on in the area there that we
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may not have touched on that should be considered of major significance? i.e.
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anything new on the "circles" or with animals etc. thx. ga
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(5-1,Vince) !
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(5-5,Rex & Carol) Nothin new on the circles. Many people are heaing strange
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knockings on their doors, windows and aroun the house lately. Several
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sightings have been seen over electrical power substations, which mkes one
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think maybe they are stealing electricity. About half of our sightings
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have aircraft flying in the immediate vicinity. We are investigating a new
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case of an event of Christmas 1989 where a lady and her car were abducted for
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about 30 minutes. She recalls being 30 or so feet in the air with the car,
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descending toward the road. She remembers seeing two types of entities; two
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entities were about six feet tall with a lot of hair on their faces which
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appeared like animal hair. These two were dressed in white gowns like
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doctors. Four other entities were about three nd half feet tall and about as
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wide. She couldn't see their features. Fat greys? ga
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(5-8,Ted ) GA Vince
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(5-1,Vince) Oh Rex btw before I forget, FLY NAVY!ga
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(5-8,Ted ) Any other ?s GA
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(5-8,Ted ) I want to thank Rex and Carol Salisberry for sharing their evening
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with us. Also special thanks to Anne Ecker for putting up with Terry on
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this CO. Anne, Carol, Rex and Terry thanks for a wonderful and informative
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evening. GA
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(5-5,Rex & Carol) Thank you all. We've enjoyed it.
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(5-5,Terry) Nite gang.
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(5-6,Bruce G) Thx and Bye!
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(5-7,Paula) Thanks all! Bye!
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(5-1,Vince) Nite all
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(Bert) Thanks Rex and Carol.
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(5-8,Ted ) Matt? Where are you Matt?
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(5-1,Vince) Excellent co
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(Bert) Night all.
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