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SUBJECT: SHIRLEY COYNE ABDUCTED - BUDD HOPKINS FILE: UFO1413
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[This is a transcript of the May 29, 1988 Issues conference with abductee
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Shirley Coyne]
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ID Nod Rm Name / Forum Area
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2 72135,424 PNX 5 Drax
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34 76067,3777 MRT 5 Sysop Ted Markley
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35 74270,3360 BOI 5 DON
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49 70511,17 CRZ 5 Mike
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68 76703,266 WBU 5 G-WIZ
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71 Guest FLM 5 Shirley
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81 71605,2013 OKC 5 Gerry Zeitlin
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112 75376,1620 CVK 5 DBW
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115 71331,1003 DLQ 3 steve
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58 71521,240 CSG 5 Thomas F. Powell
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(Sysop Ted) Tonight we are privileged to have as our guests Shirley and George
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Coyne. The Coynes are Co-state Mufon directors and are not new comers to the
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UFO abduction phenomenon. In addition to their MUFON activities they are both
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are much involved in helping abduction victims. As if this were not enough to
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make them interesting guests, Shirley is herself an abductee. Shirley, to get
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things kicked off I have a few questions that I know will be
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on everyone's mind. So let's start with:
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Can you describe your abduction experience and include such information as when
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did you first become aware of the encounter and how many times has this happened
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to you.
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(5,Shirley) I had been trying to make up my mind since 82 to have regression
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when we started have some sightings in 1983, the fear and emotional feelings got
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worse. I walked straight up to Budd and he looked at my name tag and said you're
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the girl Dan Wright has been telling me about. Under regression the story came
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out. I was 9 years old. My mother shot at them and the shot woke me up. (with a
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22). The beings told me I had to come with them. When they took me through the
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living room, I could see my mother. kneeling at the window, and she was frozen
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with the gun to her shoulder.
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This was in Arkansas on a 500 acre cotton plantation. They floated me across the
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living room and the door was closed, it never opened. We went through wall and
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all. I remember going up the ramp but didn't remember entering. My next memory
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was sitting on a table affair in a circular room. Very cold and very frightened.
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I was put through a physical examination. They took me back and tucked me in; my
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mother was still at the window. I'll stop here for any questions.ga
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(Ted) Please describe the beings GA
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(5,Shirley) They were 3.5 to 4 ft tall. Very soft gray color which looked almost
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white. Large black round eyes. Very large head. No ears. Two little holes for a
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nose. A slit for a mouth. Their skin was marshmellowy.
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(Ted) Ok. any others want to jump in here with ?s. GA
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(5,DBW) ?
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(Ted) Ok Dale ga
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(5,DBW) Shirley, please describe the black helicopter experience and also phone
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tapping and being followed that we heard about and have you done an FOIA for
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info on a file about you with FBI NSA, etc? GA
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(5,Shirley) No we have not done an FOIA yet. We suspect NSA involved and have
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been told that by a man from the military. He says they fly that type of
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helicopter. I understand details of some of our helicopter experiences are in
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the uploaded article in the library here. When we had our sightings (ufo
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sightings) in 83 around our property, we saw as many as 16 at one time buzzing
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around our property. Not at the same time a UFO was visible.Two weeks ago on May
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15, at 11 am we were on our way to Lansing for the MUFON membership meeting. I
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looked out the window near Perry, MI, the black Helicopter was pacing our car.
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It stayed with us till the arrival at the meeting. Then someone came in and said
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come out here there's a big black helicopter flying around. We went out, George
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got a picture, and one of the members got 2 minutes on a video camera. The air
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national guard denied that it belonged to them. They say they have no black
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helicopter and do not operate at low altitude over cities. There were as many as
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3 over the area at one time. Even DBC saw one of them. On the way George blinked
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his lights, and the copter blinked its lights at us, when we were in the parking
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lot. The blinking light of the copter is on video. ga
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(5,Drax) ?
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(5,DBW) follow up?
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(Ted) Dale one short follow the Georgia then DRAX ga
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(5,DBW) Shirley, Rick Dell'Aquilla, my Co-Director is competing against you for
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the Central States Director. Rick is a lawyer who has never had an abductee
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experience or a sighting. I would like to ask, with no dis-respect intended, if
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this is a stunt to gain support for your appointment.ga
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(Ted) ga Shirley
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(5,Shirley) No way Jose....George believes in his record speaking for itself. We
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had nothing to do with the helicopters appearing at any time. ga
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(Ted) Georgia yer UP!
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(5,G-WIZ) Shirley, how much did your mother remember of the abduction shooting,
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or anything? ga
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(5,Shirley) My mother was terrified. She is very religious and refuses to talk
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much about it. She does remember it, the shooting and all. They rest of my
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family also remembers. There were 8 of us children at that time. Some of the
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other children were abducted, and they rember the incident. They have not
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acknowledged any abductions yet. ga
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(5,G-WIZ) thanks. ga Ok.
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(Ted) Drax is up and then I have a question. GA DRAX
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(5,DBC) ?
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(5,Drax) Hi Shirley (Jim Speiser of AZ MUFON)
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<1> Any markings on the helicopter that stand out in your mind.
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<2> Are you aware that Dan Wright is circulating a list of people that should be
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on the lookout for these copters (or am I talking out of school)?
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(5,Shirley) Yes there were specific markings on the left side. A white cicle
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with a black circle inside the white circle. We do not talk up that markings
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order to allow us to compare with other reports. So please don't spread that
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around much. Regarding the question of the list, we are aware of that.ga
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(5,Drax) Thanks GA
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(5,DON) ??
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(Ted) Shirley, did the being speak or communicate anything vocal or were there
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any sounds at all. ga
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(5,Shirley) Yes they communicated telepathically. ga
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(Ted) Did they say anything verbally or was it all telepathic? ga
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(5,Shirley) It was all telepathic.ga
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(5,Drax) ?
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(Ted) Don next ga
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(5,DON) Hi Shirley, Don from Id. MUFON. I just signed in, and wanted to ask
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about your suspicions concerning tapped telephones, etc. Have you been able to
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have your lines swept by the phone co. or perhaps private security firms? Also
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have you had any problems with mail, or any other reason to suspect you are
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under surveillance? If you think that it may be from fed. government, the FOIA
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will enable you to find out if there are any files on you, and what they
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contain. ga
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(5,Shirley) Yes we believe our phone is tapped and I understand there are some
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details of it in the uploaded TXT in the library. We have been in touch with MI
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Bell, but they won't cooperate we suspect they have a court order. We have not
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contacted a private firm to help us detect the tap. I think an FOIA would be
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joke. We suspect all the black helicopter activity is just a means of telling us
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they have us under surveillance.ga
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(5,DON) follow
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(Ted) Don, a quick follow? ga
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(5,DON) Shirley, I have been a policeman for over ten years and in order to have
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a court order, you would have to be suspected of a crime or a national security
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threat. Also it is mighty expensive to operate a helicopter on an hourly basis
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if it was the feds, I think they would find a less expensive way to transmit
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you that message. Have you had any contact with any federal agencies, or have
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they contacted you? ga
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(5,DBW) ?
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(5,Shirley) We have had no contact with the gov. directly. Since when does the
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govt worry about nickels and dimes? The gov. actually considers MUFON...
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a national security risk. Thus we may fall under that category, and possibly
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because we work with abductees. ga
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(5,Gerry) ?
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(Ted) DBC did you have a ? GA
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(5,Drax) ?
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(5,DBC) Shirley, I understand you had a mysterious pregnancy when you were 17
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the pregnancy terminated after 3 months without any explanation can you tell us
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more about that abduction? ga
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(5,Shirley) I was in Florida at the time. They abducted me and impregnated me
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clinically (I didn't know it until later under hypnosis). Then they came back
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(now in Arkansas) and apparently took the fetus I definitely was pregnant
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because I had been to the doctor and no trace was left. The doctor couldn't
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understand what happened, because I didn't abort. ga
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(5,DBC) There have been example told by Budd Hopkins of subjects seeing a child
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later on that may have been the result of the fetus development. Have you ever
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experienced this type of encounter? ga
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(5,Shirley) Yes, when the baby was very very small and also on several other
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occasions. The child had very small features very pale skin. Red hair, very
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wispy. He has very blue eyes. A blue you cannot really describe. ga
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(5,DON) ??
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(Ted) Dale is next followed by DRAX then Gerry DON and Ted GA Dale!
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(5,DBW) Shirley, after people get involved in these type of incidents, they
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usually tend to go towards different positions of faith. Have you been drawn to
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crystals, the bible, or some other form of semi religious or religious
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realm.....And a follow up ?
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(5,Shirley) Like MUFON policy, I'm strictly a nuts and bolts person on this
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subject. The Bible has always been a part of my life, and I'm definitely not
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into crystals. I am not into past lives, channeling, and other paranormal
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activities. Strictly nuts and bolts. ga
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(Ted) Drax is up next ga drax
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(5,Drax) Shirley, Will you and George be at Lincoln and if so, will you bring
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the copter video? And how can we confirm that the US Govt. considers MUFON a
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security risk? GA
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(5,Shirley) Regarding the Lincoln conference, does a cat a have a tail?
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(5,Drax) Haha!
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(5,Shirley) Yes, we will bring the video of the helicopter and an audio tape
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from the regression-related incident....
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(5,Phil Klass) this i want to c
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(5,Shirley) Regarding the gov as considering MUFON a security risk....
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(5,Drax) [Kiss my Klass, Don]
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(5,Shirley) why else would they tap phones, tamper with mail and harass us with
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helicopters etc. By the way our mail is frequently delivered open and sloppily
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taped shut. And some letters never arrive at their destination. For example, I
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sent Don Ware a copy of some signs and symbols that I wrote during a period of
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"sleep". And he never received it. I also sent a copy of it to someone else, and
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they never received it. ga
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(5,Drax) follow up?
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(Ted) Ok DRAX Follow
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(5,Drax) If I may just suggest its just possible that whoever is doing this is
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not connected with the govt. there may be "higher authorities" at work. Just a
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theory. GA
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(5,DBW) ?
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(Ted) Drax - just what did you have in mind!?! ga
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(5,Shirley) You mean God or UFOs?
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(Ted) Or Ted?
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(5,Drax) No, something in between. Not Ted, or Georgia, either! Perhaps a
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well-funded multinational conspiracy of some kind. GA
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(5,Drax) I'm done. GA
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(Ted) Gerry has been patiently waiting GA Gerry
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(5,Gerry) Drax's theory has to be considered always but I was going to say that
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the blinking light exchange when they could see you videotaping which means you
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would likely show it at a conference means we ALL are being put on notice that
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they or somebody is interested in us. Also about the child did you, Shirley, see
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the drawing in Intruders and would you say there was resemblance to the child
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you saw? ga
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(5,Shirley) I have not seen the drawing in Intruders. Budd gave me the book, but
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I have not read it or others like it in order not to contaminate the case
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However, I have made drawings long before the book came out and I'm told the
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drawings resemble those in the book also last year at the MUFON conf. in DC,
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without thinking Budd showed me some drawings. And I burst into tears. ga
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(5,Gerry) follow...
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(Ted) Ok follow Gerry ga
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(5,Gerry) The blinking light would have been done by the pilot on the spur of
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the moment and may not itself indicate any policy or higher intent but the
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general visibility of all those helicopters still makes me think it is a message
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to all of us. Wise of you not to look at Budd's book yet. ga
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(5,Shirley) Another reason I have not read the book is that Kathy Davis (of
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Intruders) and I became very close friends and I'm not ready to deal totally
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with what happened to her. We have never discussed our individual cases when we
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get together. ga
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(Ted) Don is up then Ted <me> then Dale ga DON
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(5,DON) Shirley, during any of these experiences have you ever received any
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explanation of "WHY" I mean, why the genetic experiments and perhaps why are
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they here? Anything? ga
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(5,Shirley) I can't answer that. I was told something, but I'd prefer not to
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say. ga
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(5,DON) What was the last part, ran off the screen
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(5,Shirley) prefer not to say.ga
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(5,DON) WHY
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(5,Shirley) There are things we have to keep secret so we can compare to other
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cases. And we don't want other people picking up the same story. As for example
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Budd Hopkins always holds certain things back in order to validate information
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coming from other cases. ga
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(5,DON) !!!!!!???!!!!1
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(Ted) Don Follow ?
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(5,DON) Yes. Ok Shirley, for years this is one of the things that have split the
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UFO fraternity, everyone has a secret. Right now I am researching a paper
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concerning the aspects of the phenomenon that have proved both dangerous and
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deadly. Going back in the 40 years that this has been investigated there have
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been dozens and perhaps hundreds that have been harmed or even died while being
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involved with this subject. Now a week after talking to Hopkins, and it is
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obvious that he does not believe that they are harmful,. however this does not
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seem to be the case. Now this forum is for the exchanging of
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information, and hopefully the truth. If you have an insight as to what you
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believe may be behind this mystery, don't you think you owe it to the forum and
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MUFON to share it? ga
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(5,Shirley) We guess like everyone else. They are in control. We have NO
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control. As to the question of WHY I'll go this far. They told me that they
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needed our help so that they could breed love and compassion into their race
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they have no intention of harming us. They have caused pain to people they have
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abducted, but when they were aware of the pain they eased it for us. ga
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(Ted) Apparently they do not feel pain themselves? Also What kind of self help
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group are there? and finally. Can I call you during the day this coming week? GA
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(5,Shirley) We have formed an abductee support group in MI that meets monthly
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yes you can call anytime.ga
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(Ted) Do they <the Greys> not feel pain? ga
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(5,Shirley) I don't know. I suspect that they do not.ga
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(Ted) Dale has been very anxiously <but NOT patiently> waiting GA DALE
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(5,DON) Dale is off line
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(Ted) Oh No! MIB's! Ok anyone else at this point GA
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(Ted) George have you anything to add? Have you had an experience yourself?
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(5,George) Mainly on Sept. 23 of 1983, and again on April 19 of 1986. I have had
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two encounters within 75 feet. They stopped my pacemaker and I had to have the
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pacemaker surgically removed both times each time much dead tissue was removed.
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ga
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(Ted) Was the pacemaker ever analyzed as to the cause of failure? I know a
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little about this area to know that the manufacture would be almost paranoid
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because of potential product liability suits if one of their units failed. GA
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(5,George) There was nothing wrong with the pacemaker my surgeon is convinced
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that microwave caused it to shut down and caused the burned tissue around the
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device.ga
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(Ted) Were you near any Microwave radiating equipment? Also, if it happens
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again scream LAWSUIT. You'll get plenty of in depth analysis of the unit.
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Microwave once maybe, but twice... I dunno. GA
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(5,Drax) (Listen, I know a good law-yuh...)
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(5,George) there were no microwave sources in my home or in my presence at
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either of these times. I'm firmly convinced that because of the timing of both
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incidents, the ufos were to blame. I cannot blame the manufacturer. There are
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too many unnecessary law suits as it is. ga
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(Ted) Yes, I know, but if you want to get an in depth and VERY detailed look at
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the failed unit then complain to the manufacture. GA
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(5,Gerry) !
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(5,Drax) !
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(5,George) The only thing I want to do is get answers from the ufos. Each time I
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try to get them (ufos) to talk to me. So far they have chosen not to, as far as
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I know. ga
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(Ted) Gerry is up then DRAX GA Gerry
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(5 Gerry) Aside from the fact that there were no appliances nearby were there
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are other problems with the uwave idea not that it really matters but this could
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either be a case of the well-known stoppage of electrical and electronic gadgets
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but for the first time with organic tissue around them or a case of a directed
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energy of some kind possibly meant to kill you. ga
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(5,George) I absolutely reject the theory that they were(].?-_##W#
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o##/O5 to me. They came around us after I was injured. But they seemed to be
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aware and subsequently kept a greater distance.ga
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(5,Gerry) ok, but there is still the first thought. That now we know a bit more
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about what is happening to devices that stop Namely there is a lot of heat or
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other energy in their immediate vicinity. ga
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(Ted) Ok is up GA DRAX
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(5,Drax) We mentioned lawyers before and I know George seems adverse to the idea
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of suing but I am aware of at least one project going on right now to try and
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sign up as many qualified trial attorneys as possible who would be willing to
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work pro-bono. (that means FREE!) or at least for drastically curtailed fees on
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a lawsuit against the govt. related to UFOs specifically charging that the
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govt. is not doing its job in protecting us from an outside menace. I think if
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such a project gets off the ground, citizens like yourself, George and Shirley,
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might want to consider joining such a suit. GA
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(5,George) Shirley is the one who has a legal complaint. The national tabloids
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have quoted her many times, without benefit of interviews or permission to use
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her name or picture. And they sensationalize facts that were in the original
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interview from the Washington Post for example. ga
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(5,Drax) Go for it, Shirley! But I assure you, you have a complaint as well,
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George. GA
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(Ted) We could go on for hours (and we have!). I want to thank Shirley, George,
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and finally DBC for his time and effort in bringing us the Coynes this evening.
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I hope that Shirley and George will join us again. It has been absolutely
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fascinating! Also Jim and I are going to be roomies at the MUFON conference in
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Lincoln and we want all you to know that we will be organizing a gathering
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during the conference. Hope you can all make it. Any comments Jim?
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(5,Drax) PARTY!!!!! Bring your best vis and your best party favors!
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(Ted) <No MIBs Please!>
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(5,Drax) Look for the Speiser/Markley room!
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(Ted) The dynamic duo will prevail!
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(5,George/Shirley) We want to say we've enjoyed it and would like to return
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again sometime. Also we look forward to meeting you all in Lincoln.ga
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(Ted) Great!
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(5,Drax) Be seeing ya there, G & S!
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(Ted) Thanks again and we hope to see you all soon.
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(5,George/Shirley) We are bringing 14 in our motor home from MI.ga
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(5,Mike) Good night Ted
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(5,Drax) Nite everyone, its been fascinating!
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