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(: {Interview's & Conversations} :)
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:) {with famous phreaks/hackers} (:
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(: by The Infiltrator :)
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From the WHAT IS THIS AND WHO ARE YOU department.
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This is a series of files about conversations I have had with some of the
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better known phreaks and hackers in the NY area, specifically those that I met
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at TAP. I was a regular at TAP until everyone but the "950 Kode Kids", Richard
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and Agent 6 left. Richard for those uneducated enough to not know, is Chesire
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Cat, and 6 and a group of 60's throwbacks are the new regulars. The old group
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has more or less become extinct. (Chesire and 6 were also the old group, but
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the people who left are the ones who counted, and I used to go there to listen
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to. Now I don't go anymore eithr.) TAP used to be the publication and the Fri.
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night meetings. For the last 2 years its been just the meetings, since the
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newsletter stopped being published.
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During those 2 years there have been a small group of individuals who I
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thought to be the most interesting to talk to at the time. Central among those:
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Tuc (on the few occasions he did show up there), Lord Digital and Paul Maud'dib.
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I also met a large number of losers with large opinions of themselves. Central
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among those: Broadway Hacker (I think, the only person I really learned to
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consistantly disklike at TAP while he was there.), The Surge (on his few guest
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appearances.), MadMan, Criminal Element, The Phantom and others. People that
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passed through for a day or two included:
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Big Brother : Thought himself very funny, nobody spoke with him and I guess
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feeling embarassed, he left after about 2 hours of talking to the only person
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who came with him.
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BIOC Agent 003 : Very businesslike, carries a briefcase filled with 500 xerox
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copies of everything, which he freely hands out. Altogether a nice guy, if a
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bit weird.
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Sharp Razor : Typical LOD members, heavily opinionated about everyone and
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everything in the world, mostly offensive to people there, unless they were some
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of the previously mentioned regulars, who he would kiss up to, only to call them
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losers the moment they left the table.
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King Blotto : He seemed like a nice person who knew what he was talking
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about, fit right into greenwich village since he came sporting multi-colored
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hair and a bicycle chain for a belt. Have to wonder what people think of him
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back in the midwest.
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The 950 kode kids : This group includes, The Ninja NYC, Ginn Fizz, The
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Jackel, and a grouping of others that come and go.
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And a large group of people I refer to as "LODITES in training", typically 14-
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21 yr olds carrying around 50 lbs of manuals they promptly turned over to the
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cheif LODdy present. These included: X-Man, The Knipper, Doctor Who (who now
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hates LOD i think.) and other less noticables.
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Who am I? I'm a 19 year old Hunter College student, who started attending the
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weekly meetings to learn how to make free phone calls or "be a phreak" and
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learned what being a "real phreak" was all about during my 2 years there. This
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is just a text file from some of my notes, the "interviews" when they appear
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were done with a tape recoder (walkman) I had turned on and hooked to a mic
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under my collar. The the people being recorded had no knowledge of this fact.
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All the quotes are word for word reproductions of what was said. There is no
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professional formatting, or fancy text graphics, just some notes slapped
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together on what I have heard along with my comments. I also would not consider
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any of the mentioned peolpe my friends, rather people I grew to know and have
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good conversations with over the Friday nights. You cannot call someone your
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friend if you essentially know nothing about them and are basically untrusted.
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Conversation with Chesire Catalyst (Held at TAP.)
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{Chesire is the ex-editor and publisher of TAP.}
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(Me: is what i said, An: is what he answered, this is usually about 5 minutes
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into a otherwise "normal" conversation. Richard is about 6' tall, black hair &
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beard, look like he should have been a truck driver instead of a phreak.)
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ME: So is there any chance of TAP coming back together?
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AN: Not by me, I don't have the time, or the funds. It never made me any money
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it was more of a public service that I can't afford to do anymore.
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ME: Wasn't someone else supposed to take it over?
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AN: Yes, Tuc was going to take it, but that's on hold right now, it doesn't
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really look like it's going to happen though. With 2600 gone also, there is
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nothing there to take the space of TAP at the present time.
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ME: So it looks as if TAP has died after all these years?
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AN: Well TAP isn't that easy to kill! I'm sure it will re-surface in one form
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or another sometime in the next decade.
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ME: Oh good, I have something to look forward to in the 90's. What about you?
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Do you still phreak or what do you do for a living now?
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AN: Oh no, I was much to closely related with the magazine to do any of that
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any more. I give lectures on security and appear on talk shows and seminars
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that concern our hobby. I'm also a technical consultant for various firms.
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ME: Ok, thanks.
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Convo with Tuc: (Held at TAP)
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{Tuc is a phone phreak/hacker I have taked to on and off over the last 2 years
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he has matured from a fat over-exertive person, into a normal human being who
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is nice to talk to.}
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(Tuc is about 6'1", used to be fat but has thinned out in the last year, black
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hair, no beard, about 20 I'd guesstimate, I never asked him.)
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ME: You look good, lost a lot of weight.
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AN: Thanks, I gained a lot of it in college on the junk food.
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ME: How'd you manage to lose it?
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AN: Took up jogging and lost it again.
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ME: Ok, So what is happening with Fargo 4a now?
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AN: We plan to go on a member drive and regroup.
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ME: Do you actually have any hopes of it coming together?
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AN: Well it's more of just something to do for fun, it won't be that hard to
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get into the club at this time.
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ME: What do you think of the current phreak world compared to the one of say
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2 years ago?
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AN: Well everyone hates everyone now, there is no unity, there is only endless
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war and threats and disorganazation. Mostly there are people who don't want
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to learn anything, but only wish to join a large group and spend the rest
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of their time signing it under their handle.
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ME: Like LOD
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AN: Like LOD
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ME: Are you a member of LOD?
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AN: No, I'm not and never will be.
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ME: What do you think of LOD?
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AN: I really can't say anything about that, but I'm not a member, that should
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speak for something.
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ME: Ok, I understand. Who else here do you consider to be any good?
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AN: Well there is Paul and LD, that's about it, if you mean people in our own
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underground. They (Meaning richard, agent 6, and others) are also very good
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in certain areas and know a lot.
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{At "they" he meant chesire cat and others. Paul and LD refer to Paul Maud'dib
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and Lord Digital}
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ME: Well thank's for your time
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Convo with Lord Digital: {Held in the computer section of B.Dalton's on 15th
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st. In NY, about 9 months after the last time I saw him at TAP. He has seemed
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to also mature, from a "I'm god, Fuck you" attitude, into a more easy going
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human being.}
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(Lord Digital is about 6'1", was pear shaped the last time I saw him, seems
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to have lost a good 50 lbs. He has black hair, is the only person I have met
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in my life who consistantly wears a tie and designer shirts. If you know what
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Steve Jobs or Rob Lowe look like, you know what LD looks like.)
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ME: Hey, almost didn't recognize you, lost a lot of weight.
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AN: Hum, who're you?
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ME: TAP remember?
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AN: Oh right, Ok I remember you now.
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ME: How'd you manage to lose so much weight so fast?
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AN: Took up Shotokan.
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ME: ? Karate?
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AN: Yeah, subset thereof, more mind over mind/body control though.
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ME: Oh, walk over fire and kill people and all that?
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AN: Nooooooo, the kill people is just a sort of anti-thesis to acupuncture,
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hurt instead of heal, etc. Just knowledge of where to hit and why. As
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for anything else, it's up to you to decide. Forget it.
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ME: Subject dropped. Saw your story in Sundays businessweek, congratulations.
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{One of his companies was profiled in a business section of a local paper, I
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know it's name because I brought a 1200 modem from him a year ago.}
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AN: Aha, thanks. It's not a big deal, that paper isn't exactly the Times and
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the yearly growth was just normal. Only thing that turned them on was that
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we started it when I was 15 & he was 17. Sort of '2 local kids make big
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bucks in computer enterprize!'.
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ME: Well better then I'm doing. Speaking of that, have you seen all the loser
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files going around? Your name appears on 1 or 2 of them.
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AN: Yeah I was shown one of them, only thing I recall was being pissed as
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having my role model listed as Donald Trump. The least they could have
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done was given me a decent person I supposedly worship, like Mark Rich.
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ME: Who?
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AN: Sigh, nevermind. Suffice to say, most of it are the delusions of some bored
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14 yr. old Loser. In order to know all this about everyone, I would guess
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one of Carl's idiot friends, or someone like Eric. I Don't know or care.
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ME: Then it was correct?
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AN: No, but the geographic locations were fairly accurate, so were a lot of
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things the typical rodent would not know. There were a lot of errors, but
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what it comes down to is; how does this cretin know anything about me to
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begin with? answer; he talks with someone I talk to. Probably Carl, but
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who really gives a shit, I don't.
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ME: Carl as in Criminal Element? Isn't he a loser?
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AN: Yeah, CE, well I have no comment's as to what he may or may not know about
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phreaking, I am friends with Carl, it's not like Hi! CE!!?, This is LD!!!!
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got some cool info? If he knows something or not, doesn't really matter.
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He knows enough people that DO know what they're doing, that he doesn't
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need to know something if he doesn't care. So effectively speaking he has
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access to a large amount of information.
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ME: And he doesn't?
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AN: Talk to him about it, not me. Only thing that bothers me is the large loser
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ratio he speaks with. Wouldn't matter in itself, except these people turn
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around distort everything and write C000l Text philez about it.
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ME: Like when you were busted and 'died' last year?
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AN: Yeah, I've never been busted, nor have I died lately.
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ME: Well I know from what people have told me that your father is well off, but
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is any of that in the file true? Do you make a lot of money?
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AN: Well why would you care? I really don't have any comments about anything
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that links my personna to my real ventures. But let's put it this way, if
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you have 50k and saturate penny stocks that you know are going to go up,
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then you have to be brain dead to not make at least 500% of your investment
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every year. However this is all paper, if you liquidize then your broker
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gets a slice, taxes throw out half the rest and if you're legally a minor
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then even more gets chopped since your parents have to co-sign all that.
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ME: I'm not familliar with all that, what about Blue Chip stock?
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AN: That's something to use instead of a bank, IBM, WANG, are rock. Nothing
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they do will ever have any kind of substantial loss. AT&T more or less
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the same. NYNEX also became worth a lot more since diversiture.
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ME: Ok, sorry to intrude, I'd really like to ask you about a subject that
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generates a lot of interest these days. Phantom Access. Is it real or what?
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AN: Hahaha, swell. Yeah it's real.
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ME: Care to elaborate?
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AN: Ok, the name itself "Phantom Access", is now the registered trademark of a
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third party who thought it was nice and wanted exclusive rights to it. The
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name, not the programs. The programs are, if you can imagine something like
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a small Dbase III related to modem usage and file integration. These are
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for the Apple with a Cat, there are a lot of versions, I don't really know
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who has what at this point, I basically told my friends that they are free
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to do whatever they want with them.
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ME: Are there any other versions for other machines or what did you mean by lot
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of versions?
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AN: Well mine uses mousetext, windows, 256K, clock, hard disk, 212 card and
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an optional 2400 modem. The simplest version uses 1 disk drive, 40 columns
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and a ][+ with 48k. There are versions for the Amiga, I was never involved
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with the Mac, I never had an interest in the machine, the programs for it
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were by someone else.
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ME: Paul Maud'dib?
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AN: No comment
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ME: Ok, no problem. What exactly does it do? and why did you write it and why
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all the secrecy?
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AN: Ok, I just thought of everything I might want a hacker to do. By hacker I
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mean in a global sense Telecom Expert System, not a code finder for Sprint.
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There was a small pre-processor I did that had about 50 commands added to
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basic, like tone generation, wait, test, else, endif, etc, states. Then I
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went ahead and did a full fledged hacker, it will literally hack anything
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ever devised. It's excellent and apparently no-one has ever thought of
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many of the functions. I mean just in the last year have audio-test hackers
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come out for the cat. We were doing this 4 years ago. The primary reason
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for some of the techniques in it, were to insure no high-profiles on
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digital switching systems. Then I wrote an intelligent scanner that worked
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with the hackers, then an ascii hacker.
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ME: Yes, sounds great. You might be interested, just lately there has been a
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ascii hacker made by others. Hackamatic I think.
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AN: Yeah I know, i've seen it. Actually ascii hackers have been out for
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a long time, just they aren't distributed. Originally I had planned some
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thing much like it, but made to work with the hackers & scanner, faster and
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less kludgey. But I talked about it with Paul, he just said Wrong, dumb
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move, use pattern matching, make it intelligent, not something slow and
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useless. At the time I was 15, I though Huffman code & godelization of
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text files were just swell and Unix was god. I was unfamilliar with any
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real AI techniqes or langauges. So I went out and read some of Knuth's
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books, learned lisp and some prolog, and about 2 weeks later came up with
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something much better.
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ME: How good is Paul, really?
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AN: That's a difficult question, in comparision to what you'd call phreaks or
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hackers, he is much better. But that's not saying much.
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ME: How would you catagorize yourself?
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AN: I wouldn't, I don't seek to be integrated into whatever structure they
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have set up.
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ME: Ok, in comparison to their structures, how would you say you and Paul
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would fit it?
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AN: Better then 99%, there is always the unknown 1% that someone might be doing
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something that would just blow me away. I doubt it, but it's possible and
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it's happened before. Also, I wouldn't catogarize myself with Paul, he has
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greater general knowledge of some fields that I don't. And visa versa, so
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it works out well. During the final writing of the hacker though, it was
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really helpful to be able to read 50 different things, see how to mix them
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into the 1 thing I needed, and then talk it over with him, usually I can
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come up with something he never thought of and he points out stupid moves
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on my part. And suggests improvments.
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ME: Who are the 1% that impressed you?
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AN: Nobody well known, usually just people I'd meet in obscure places, like
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some kid I met at an electronics store, who walked out and said, hey those
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look like parts for a blue box. I just started talking to him, and after
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a few minutes, got the impression that he was either totaly confused or
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lying. Then I found out his father is a SCC switchman. So I ended up with
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several feet of manuals, 100's of dialups for things in nyc, and gave him
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some cosmos manuals which he wanted. It ws very profitable from my end of
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it anyway.
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ME: I always wondered were all that came from.
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AN: ha, yeah, well you can trash from now until 1990, or you can just order the
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fucking things from AT&T, I'm on their mailing lists with a maildrop as a
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TIRM director. They just keep sending more and more junk.
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ME: What did the SCC guy teach you about?
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AN: Various things, and cleared up a lot of misconceptions about ANI and how
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it actually works, auto-verify, things like that, which I really didn't
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know the answers to. He had it as sort of a hobby as well, he was on some
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cosmos kick, and I helped him out, so he was grateful. He also had an apple
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and to most normal people, you mention free software, and they get this
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happy expression. Future 40 yr. old new wares kids being born.
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ME: Speaking of that, what do you think of the pirate world? To my knowledge
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you are one of the only phreaks to ever be in any large pirate group.
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{Apple Mafia}
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AN: Well that wasn't through any real involement. I just happened to be friends
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with a lot of the people and at the time it was a new idea. (A group), so I
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said why not.
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ME: What do you think of pirates? did you crack software?
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AN: Hahahahaha, yeah dude, I crack the latest!. No, sorry, I don't mean to
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insult pirates, just I find it hard to take anyone involved in an endless
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cycle of getting new wares, in any kind of serious perspective. I mean Ok,
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when I first thought of all the software I could have for free, it was like
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being let loose in the vault of bank, or a 7 yr old in a toy store. Whether
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people admit it or not, they are new wares kids at first. But also being
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realistic, you discover that 95% of all software is useless to you, ok it
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might be good for something, but why do *I* need it? the rest is just trash
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period. Then there's the 5% I use. I outgrew piracy in about 2 months, most
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normal people do as well. Or they become crackers and start cranking out
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the wares.
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ME: What do you think of the crackers?
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AN: It varies, I can understand being interested in programming and protection
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schemes, but to actually waste all that time on cracking garbage, just to
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get losers to idolize you is pathetic.
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ME: Do you still talk to any of the pirates?
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AN: Not really, the pirates I talked to are largely gone from the pirate world
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as I said, most people outgrow it. If you mean people who were pirates that
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I talk to, then there's Zero Page, Mr. Xerox, etc. I mean a LOT of people
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WERE pirates, but that doesn't really mean anything at this point, I WAS
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a pirate, everyone who has ever gotten software for free was/is a pirate.
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ME: Ok, I mean people who are cracking right now, do you talk to any of them?
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AN: Not really, most of them came into existance a very short time ago, And I
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have no reason to talk to them or associate with them.
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ME: So you don't get new software anymore?
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AN: Yeah I do, a friend of mine brings over a box ever week or so, usually it
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ends up as 20 blank sides, but sometimes there is something decent out in
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apple software. I mean I DO use AppleWorks and some new utilities. There's
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no reason to not use machines I allready own.
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ME: Can you say who you still DO talk to?
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AN: Well I suppose it doesn't really matter, Captain Avatar, who I think is now
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calling himself Skip Rooney, or some such name. Sigh.
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ME: In other word's idiot's.
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AN: No, not really, he's just someone who likes software, good for him, who am
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I to say that he shouldn't like it?
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ME: True I guess, what about crackers?
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AN: I think he does crack, I don't know/care. I also know Gadget Master.
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ME: How did you meet him? People regard him as a big loser who mis-cracks wares
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that are copya.
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AN: I don't know and as I've said, I really don't care, I first talked to him
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a few years ago when I was still aware of the pirate world, he started out
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in something like late '83 I think. He's ok as a person, I really couldn't
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care less if the new wares kids love him or hate him. As far as I know he
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does it for himself, not for the benefit of others. So what other people
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think of him is inconsequential.
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ME: Where do you think the pirate world has gone lately, and about the sides
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forming in both worlds?
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AN: Well as far as I'm told the pirate world has gone downhill a LOT, I don't
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know. As far as hatred, most phreaks regard pirates as lowlifes who have
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nothing to do with their time. Which is to an extent true. Pirates regard
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phreaks as code abusers and losers who cannot program. Which is also to
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an extent true, at least of the newer phreaks. It is really easy to
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become well known for having essentially no skills, it's like, what do you
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know? I know Tuc!. That's just keen, WHAT do you know? I just told you, I
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know Tuc, I even know where he lives, and am joining a new super elite
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board tomorrow! I'm cool!. Everything seems to be cyclical, building up
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to it's absolute zenith at late '83, with the ending of securityland and
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the original OSUNY. Everything thereonward has been less impressive then
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that which came before it, I mean Sherwood Forest (The original run by
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Magnetic Surfer {The TKOS board}) was good, Plovernet was good, LOD was
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good. But they still did not compare, everything usually disintegrated
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into people quoting manuals at each other and a bunch of "We're the
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eliteist people in the whole universe" patting each other on the back
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kind of messages on the club subs.
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ME: So your saying no-one really knows that much?
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AN: No, not at all, there are many competant people out there, but compared to
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just about any professional we didn't have that much knowledge. Most hackers
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have a basic understaning of more OS's then the average DP person will ever
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have to learn, but no concrete knowledge of how it works. Usually someone
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will specialize in 1 OS and the other people in the group will handle the
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others, so it works out more or less. But phreaking is different, OS's are
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easy to learn because there is a lot of easily accessible published doc-
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umentation available on it. Technical AT&T manuals usually constitute
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trade secrets, and are hard to get. Or WERE had to get, now I have almost
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infinite access. But I'm talking about the average phreak who knows what
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he is doing. As opposed to the average elite poser, who can quote every
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# to every "elite" 1 drive board in the univere, and every word of every
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file ever written backwards and forwards, yet fail to understand anything.
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The poser won't care about the knowledge, just how his name ranks in comp-
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arision with other elite posers.
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ME: So what do you think of LOD and people like Blotto, I think that from some
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of the messages I've seen posted Mr. Xerox contends they are complete
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losers?
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AN: Well I don't know, I'm not familliar with the group LOD or even if it
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exists anymore.
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ME: What about Blotto? and blottoland, were you also on the LOD club board?
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I've heard that you also don't like Blotto?
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AN: I don't even know Blotto, it's hard to dislike someone you have never
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spoken with. I have no idea as to his skill, but assume he is competant
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in whatever he is doing.
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ME: Do you KNOW ABOUT Blotto and newsweek? and what about the boards?
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AN: I only know about Blotto through Paul, from what I know he is ok as a
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person, I know nothing of his skill or lack thereof. I was on LOD when
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it opened in March of '84, or April, whatever. I called a few times, then
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didn't call back for about 6 months, by then I think the # had changed
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3 times. I've seen the final LOD club only board, since Paul was still
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a member {Paul quit LOD}, and remote sysop of it, it wasn't impressive,
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but it wasn't bad either. The same for Blottoland. As for Newsweek, I
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don't know why he's being hassled about it, HE didn't have any say on
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anything as I recall. If the elite posers had reacted unlike idiot's
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for a change nothing would have happened, just another story. Instead of
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that they threatened his life, his wifes life, and the next week, boom
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prime time "hackers threaten life of Richard Sandza" The original article
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became a series of articles, ad infinitum. As for the other newsweek crap,
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|
I would sum it up as losers getting caught and trying to cash in on the
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media coverage. It's like "hey I'm lame, I just go busted, why not get on
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TV at least?". Hardly people who qualify as any kind of spokespeople for
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hackers or phreaks.
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ME: What about the phreaks and pirates who appeared on TV also?
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AN: If that's what you want, it's easy. Media people love you, I mean you
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know Mike {11 news reporter who shows up at TAP.}, you agree to appear
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on TV, next day, your on TV, and have 45 seconds to say anything you want
|
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to say, complete with shadowmask, voicemask, free lunch, rides, and a vhs
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|
of the show, and any other shows that you want. The only people he has been
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able to convince are the local code mongers, if you remember he asked to
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NOT have a shadow or voice mask, so his friends could see his face on TV.
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|
Gosh mom look!
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ME: So what do you think of current boards and new phreaks? Also why are you
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no longer on boards? Oh yeah, also what was Metronet?
|
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AN: Geez, lot's of questions, ok 1985 has been the year of the radical ultra
|
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|
elite private board with cool software and spinning cursors and filters,
|
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|
and users/sysops composed of idiots. EVERY loser in the world with 2 drives
|
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|
is putting up a elite private board. In a way it's amusing, but sad too.
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|
New phreaks usually start as inexperianced and move into the status of full
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|
time elite posers. Ask yourself this: why do people call boards? To gain
|
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|
knowledge, talk to their peers, ask questions of better phreaks and to form
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|
radical elite groups! Now as it stands, they will never find anything other
|
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|
then losers who claim to be something they are not. They believe that all
|
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|
knowledge is hidden in the elite g-sections of all the best boards. Which
|
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|
is of course bullshit, frequently the people who transcribed the manuals
|
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|
managed to fuck it up along the way, didn't even understand it themselves
|
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|
but just copied it word for word from somwhere. It's easy to run into a
|
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|
person somewhere and say something involving their latest file, and they
|
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|
will just look at you and ask what you're talking about. They wrote it yet
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|
dont' understand it, actually let me take they back, they copied it and
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|
fail to understand it. I no longer call boards because I have no reason
|
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|
to call them. There is nothing out there I need to learn, no-one I need to
|
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|
talk to, the only people I would talk to on boards, I call voice. So why
|
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|
call boards? Just for a good laugh maybe, that's about it.
|
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|
ME: You're saying that no-one out there know's more then you? And what about
|
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|
metronet.
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|
AN: No, not in the least, everyone knows more about a given subject that is
|
|||
|
their specialty then someone else does. But what it comes down to, is
|
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|
that if I DID want to learn something, I would not call a board or any
|
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|
thing of the sort. I would get a manual on it and learn it. End of story.
|
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|
If at the point I wanted some additional tips, I'd call a friend and ask.
|
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|
As for Metronet, I was simply friends with Terminus, I have no idea why
|
|||
|
he freaked out, insulted everyone, took his board down and dissapeared.
|
|||
|
But I haven't spoken with him since he was in Paris sometime last May.
|
|||
|
ME: Ok, what about the quality of files, where would you suggest a new phreak
|
|||
|
start out? And how did you start out?
|
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|
AN: Argh, again the long questions. I have to get going in a minute, but Ok.
|
|||
|
The quality of new files is shit, nothing usefull is being written, I've
|
|||
|
seen some of the newer files, it's like, are these people joking or what?
|
|||
|
101 way to spell leech, how to be a phreak, the real pirates guide, a guide
|
|||
|
to hacking/phreaking/carding/anything, and they are all total shit. I mean
|
|||
|
if people regard these as testimonials on how to card or whatever, then its
|
|||
|
no wonder so many of them get busted. Where to start, well go to Shadio
|
|||
|
Rack, and buy: understanding telephone electronics. Then get ahold of Don's
|
|||
|
files, read and understand them. I KNOW, everyone says they are innacurate,
|
|||
|
and plagerised or whatever. But what did they want him to do? make it up
|
|||
|
as he went along? of course it has to be simillar with something. The fact
|
|||
|
is, even though there are some mistakes, 95% of the text is extremely use-
|
|||
|
ful for begginers. No-One has to this date done better job. For specialisd
|
|||
|
knowledge you can branch off to files that deal with hat subject matter.
|
|||
|
For example: Blue Boxing is covered in about 50 files at any given time,
|
|||
|
but the best and most technically correct ones are probably those by Tabas.
|
|||
|
I started out, as you put it. When I was about 6, my father was a nuclear
|
|||
|
physicist before getting into business. And used to work for NCAR. (Natnl
|
|||
|
Center of something or another.) They were one of the first 3 organazations
|
|||
|
to get a Cray-1 and I hung around and started doing thing like running
|
|||
|
stupid little programs on punch cards through it. I was supposed to just
|
|||
|
run their's through, but in reality I could do whatever I wanted to. So I
|
|||
|
had fun. Everything I did until 1979 dealt with mainframes. Then someone
|
|||
|
introduced me to an Apple, and I ended up hanging around with Magnetic
|
|||
|
Surfer (Old phreak). Who also had an apple, running with a casette tape &
|
|||
|
a micromodem II. It was fun, there were like 30 boards out then PERIOD.
|
|||
|
It was sort of the begining of everything, Rather nice.
|
|||
|
ME: How old are you anyway?
|
|||
|
AN: Old... almost 18
|
|||
|
ME: Whew, well compared to a lot of people out there your quite young.
|
|||
|
AN: It depends. There's a point where you reach a level that you can really do
|
|||
|
just about anything. It's not 1 set of skills, but combine a phreak, a
|
|||
|
hacker and a pirate, into 1 person. And that person is effectively unstop-
|
|||
|
able. He can do just about anything he wants to. But at that point you
|
|||
|
usually decide what course you want your life to take. You can easily
|
|||
|
become a sucessful computer criminal. Or you can enter the real world with
|
|||
|
a host of extra skills that give you an incredible edge over anyone in the
|
|||
|
information age.
|
|||
|
ME: So what do you think of all the "Elite" 19-25 year olds still out there?
|
|||
|
AN: Well, if people started later, then they might still be there at that age,
|
|||
|
or they might just enjoy calling boards & joining things just for the fun of
|
|||
|
it. If on the other hand they have been into it for 5 years and are still
|
|||
|
serious about the entire Rad K000l I'm Elite, cycle, then they are either
|
|||
|
complete social outcasts, or losers. If at that point you find that having
|
|||
|
some kid in Pig's Knuckle Idaho, idolize you. Is the most important part
|
|||
|
of your life, then you have some serious problems. I wish them the best of
|
|||
|
luck, and may they all eventually grow up and get real lives.
|
|||
|
ME: That sounds about right. Also what did you mean by "can do anything" you
|
|||
|
mean get at any information?
|
|||
|
AN: Yeah.
|
|||
|
ME: With Phantom Access?
|
|||
|
AN: Nooo, look Phantom Access is nice, it's good tool, but I only need so many
|
|||
|
codes for so many systems. I set it up for 1 night, and have enough codes
|
|||
|
to last 5 years. I have no use for a scanner unless I am looking for some
|
|||
|
thing particular in a specific ANC. And there are much eaisier ways of
|
|||
|
getting a PW then setting up a hacker. They are all essentially toys.
|
|||
|
Granted, they are very nice toys, but it's much faster to socially eng-
|
|||
|
ineer whatever you might need. I no longer play with systems just for
|
|||
|
the hell of it, unless I am in the process of learning them, in which case
|
|||
|
I get a real account from my local ACM office.
|
|||
|
ME: But why a combination of the three?
|
|||
|
AN: Ok, simple, it's a deadly combination. Security people are used to dealing
|
|||
|
with hackers, ok make the OS as bulletproof as possible, let's assume they
|
|||
|
miraculously achive perfection. Secure system. Now the weak link is users,
|
|||
|
it HAS to have users to access the information. So now the weak link is
|
|||
|
their pw's. A pirate can program his machine to do anything he wants it to
|
|||
|
do, since he is presumably adept enough to write whatever quickie hacker
|
|||
|
he might need for the situation. So now you begin to play with getting an
|
|||
|
account from one of the users, what is another weak link? the phone lines
|
|||
|
themselves. On mechanical systems it's more of a hassle, but still within
|
|||
|
reason, but on digital systems it's one large software program with all
|
|||
|
kinds of neat functions.
|
|||
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ME: Right, you and Paul are the leading experts on ESS I 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