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1992 by Richard S. Millard
The Wheel of Time
An Introductory Chronology and Prosopography
October 30, 1992
This paper attempts to construct a general chronology
for the major events of the thirty years preceding the
action of The Wheel of Time, and to establish some basic
biographical facts regarding the major characters. A
future paper will present a detailed chronology of the
years 997-998 NE, in which the events described in the
books occur. This paper also notes and attempts to
correct a few minor inconsistencies and errors in the
books. In this paper the following abbreviations will be
used
EW - The Eye of the World
GH - The Great Hunt
DR - The Dragon Reborn
SR - The Shadow Rising
l page citations will be to the hardcover editions;
chapter citations will be provided for the benefit of
readers using other editions.
1. Known Dates. This chronology will be based on
three known dates given in the Glossary and which are
assumed to be correct
(a) the Aiel War commenced in 976 NE and ended in 978
NE (SR p.684, Glossary under "Aiel War");
(b) Tigraine, the Daughter-Heir of Andor, disappeared in
972 NE (DR p. 593, Glossary under "Tigraine"; and
(c) the false dragon Logain was active in 997 NE (SR
p.689, Glossary under "Dragon, false"). It is also stated
in the Glossary that Siuan Sanche was elevated to the
Amyrlin Seat in 985 NE (DR p. 591, Glossary under "Siuan
Sanche"; note, however, that this date was not included in
the SR Glossary entry). However, for the reasons stated
below, this appears to be an error and has been
disregarded. An alternative date is suggested below.
2. Date of Action. As noted above, the Glossary
indicates that the false dragon Logain was active in 997
NE. Since Logain began his war and was captured and
gentled during the action of The Eye of the World (EW p.
167, ch. 14 and p. 496, ch. 39) we know that Moiraine's
first visit to Emond's Field occurred in the spring of 997
NE. This date is consistent with statements that the Aiel
war was "nearly twenty years ago" (GH p. 108-109, ch. 8,
and SR p. 117, ch. 8), with Moiraine's statement that she
and the Amyrlin have known of the birth of the Dragon
Reborn for "nearly twenty years" (GH p. 52, ch. 5), and
with the statement during the second year of the action
that Gitara Moroso, the former Keeper of the Chronicles
who died at the time of the Dragon's rebirth, has been
dead twenty years (SR p. 29, ch. 1). As discussed below,
this date is also consistent with the ages given for the
major characters.
3. Biographical Data. On the basis of the dates given
above, and the other biographical data cited below, we
can develop the following brief biographies
(a) Rand al'Thor. Rand was born on Dragonmount in the
battle that ended the Aiel War (see, for example, EW p.
73, ch. 6 and GH p. 109, ch. 8). It was winter and
snowing at the time (GH p. 108, ch. 8). Rand was therefore
born in the winter of 978 NE, and is 19 at the time of the
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attack on Emond's Field. This is consistent with the
statements that he, Mat and Perrin are "not yet 20" (EW,
p. 438, ch. 34), that Moiraine and Siuan Sanche have been
searching for him for "nearly 20 years" (GH, p. 52, ch. 5)
and that his birth was "nearly 20 years ago" (GH p. 108,
ch. 8). Rand is the younger son of Tigraine, Daughter-Heir
of Andor, who disappeared in 972 NE, joined the Maidens of
the Spear that same year, and was adopted into the Chumai
sept of the Taardad Aiel. (For his resemblance to
Tigraine, see DR p. 373, ch. 39; DR p. 446, ch. 45; and SR
p. 267, ch. 23; for the story of his mother's journey to
the Waste and acceptance by the Aiel, see SR p. 392, ch.
34 and p. 664, ch. 57). Rand is half-brother to
Galadedrid Damodred (see below), the son of Tigraine and
Taringail Damodred, and is the nephew of Tigraine's
brother, Luc, who disappeared in the Blight in 971 NE (GH
p. 590, Glossary under "Luc"). Rand's father was Janduin,
of the Iron Mountain sept of the Taardad Aiel (SR p. 664,
ch. 57), clan chief of the Taardad and leader of the Aiel
in the Aiel War. Janduin was killed in the Blight,
probably by Rand's uncle Luc, shortly after the end of
Aiel War (SR p. 393, ch. 34). Rand was found on the slopes
of Dragonmount following the last battle of the Aiel War
(EW p. 73, ch. 6; GH p. 109-110, ch. 8) by Tam al'Thor, a
shepherd and farmer from the Two Rivers, who had left home
to join the army of Illian. Tam al'Thor had served in the
Whitecloak War and two wars with Tear, had become a
blademaster, a master of the sword, and had risen to
Second Captain of the Companions (GH p. 105, ch. 8), an
elite unit of the army of Illian that accompanied the
general of an army and were used as shock troops at the
key points of battles (SR p. 505, ch. 45). After serving
with the army of Illian in the Aiel War, Tam al'Thor
returned to the Two Rivers with his wife, Kari, from
Caemlyn, and Rand, still an infant (GH p. 105, ch. 8).
(b) Perrin Aybara. Since we know that Perrin was born
"within weeks" of Rand (EW p. 94, ch. 8), he must have
been born sometime in the winter of 978 NE, and is also 19
when the story begins. Perrin was raised on a farm half a
day east of Emond's Field, almost to the Waterwood, and is
the oldest of four children. His younger siblings, Adora,
b. 982, Deselle, b. 986 and Paetram, b. 989 (SR p. 327,
ch. 29) are killed by Trollocs in 998 NE. Perrin has been
apprenticed to Haral Luhan, the blacksmith of Emond's Field.
(c) Matrim Cauthon. Mat Cauthon was also born "within
weeks" of Rand al'Thor (EW p. 94, ch. 8), in 978, and is
therefore 19 at the time of Moiraine's first visit to
Emond's Field at Winternight, 997. Mat is the son of
Abell and Natti Cauthon and the oldest of three children.
His younger sisters, Eldrin and Bodewhin, together with
their mother, are captured and held by Whitecloaks in The
Shadow Rising, until rescued by Perrin Aybara.
(d) Egwene al'Vere. We know that Egwene is two years
younger than Rand (EW p. 35, ch. 3, GH p. 31, ch. 3 and SR
p. 57, ch. 2). She must therefore have been born in 980
NE, and would be 17 when we first meet her. She is the
youngest daughter of Brandelwyn ("Bran") al'Vere,
proprietor of the Winespring Inn and mayor of Emond's
Field, and his wife Marin (SR p. 329, ch. 29).
(e) Nynaeve al'Meara. In Nynaeve's case, errors and
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inconsistencies in the books present some problems. On the
one hand, we are told that Nynaeve is seven years older
than Egwene (DR p. 515, ch. 51), which would place her
birth in 973 NE. This is consistent with her statement
that she can "just remember" Tam and Kari al'Thor
returning with Rand to Emond's Field (EW p. 202, ch. 16;
she would have been about five at the time) and that she
is "only a few years older" than Rand (GH p. 70, ch. 6),
just enough older to have looked after him when he was
little (GH, p. 115, ch. 8). She would then have been 24 at
the time of Moiraine's visit to Emond's Field. On the
other hand, we are also told that Nynaeve is up to a year
older than Galad (DR p. 150, ch. 16). Since Galad cannot
have been born after 972 (when his mother, Tigraine,
disappeared) and was likely born somewhat earlier (see
below), this would place Nynaeve's birth in approximately
971 NE or even earlier. This would make her at least nine
years older than Egwene and at least 26 at the time she
first meets Moiraine. Since Nynaeve's youth is emphasized
so strongly (for example, Moiraine calls her "child" at
their first meeting, EW p. 20, ch. 2, and she is described
as "little more than a girl", GH p. 47, ch. 4), the 973
date seems somewhat more likely. On the basis of this
date, Nynaeve is at least one and more likely two or three
years younger than Galad. Nynaeve's parents are dead, and
she seem to have no siblings (EW p. 196, ch. 16). When
the books begin, she is the Wisdom of Emond's Field (EW p.
7, ch. 1), having served her apprenticeship with the
previous Wisdom, Mistress Barran (EW p. 268, 270, ch. 21).
(f) Elayne. Elayne, of House Trakand, the Daughter-Heir
of Andor, is approximately the same age as Egwene al'Vere
(GH p. 300, ch. 24) and approximately two years younger
than Rand al'Thor (EW p. 499, ch. 40). Accordingly, we
may place her birth in 980 NE. She would be 17 when she
first meets Rand. She is the daughter of Queen Morgase
and Taringail Damodred, the sister of Gawyn and the
half-sister of Galad, and is Moiraine Damodred's niece
(see below).
(g) Gawyn. Gawyn is slightly older than Elayne (EW p.
499, ch. 40), and "much like" Rand in age (GH p. 392, ch.
32). He must therefore have been born in approximately 978
NE, and would be about 19 when the story begins. He is
the son of Queen Morgase and Taringail Damodred, the
brother of Elayne, the half-brother of Galad and
Moiraine's nephew.
(h) Galad. Galadedrid Damodred is the son of Tigraine
and Taringail Damodred, and must therefore have been born
before Tigraine disappeared in 972 NE. Unless Tigraine
abandoned Galad before his first birthday, he must
actually have been born in 971 NE or even earlier. If we
accept the latest of the possible dates for Nynaeve's
birth (see above), then Galad must be the older of the
two. Of course, it is possible that the date given for
Tigraine's disappearance is incorrect (if she disappeared
later, then Galad could be younger), but since Tigraine
(Shaiel) appeared in the Aiel Waste in 972 (four years
before "Laman's Sin" and the beginning of the Aiel War in
976 NE, SR p.392, ch. 34), the 972 date for her
disappearance appears to be correct. Galad must be at
least 25/26 when we first meet him. Galad is the older
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half-brother of both Prince Gawyn of Andor and of Rand
al'Thor, and is Moiraine's nephew.
(i) Moiraine Damodred. Moiraine Damodred is Taringail
Damodred's youngest half-sister, and King Laman's niece
(SR p. 194, ch. 17). She is therefore the aunt of
Taringail's children Galad, Gawyn and Elayne (although her
niece and nephews appear to be unaware of this
relationship), and sister-in-law to Queen Morgase. She is
an Aes Sedai of the Blue Ajah, having been raised to the
shawl shortly after the end of the Aiel War in 978 NE (GH
p. 270, ch. 22). Since she must have been in her late 20s
at the time, she would be in her late 40s, perhaps 46-48,
at the time of her first visit to Emond's Field. She is a
close friend of Siuan Sanche, the Amyrlin Seat, with whom
she was a novice in the White Tower.
(j) al'Lan Mandragoran. Lan is the son of al'Akir
Mandragoran and his queen el'Leanna, the last king and
queen of Malkier (EW p. 595-597, ch. 47). He has been
Moiraine Sedai's Warder for "nearly 20 years", since
Moiraine was raised to the shawl shortly after the end of
the Aiel War (GH p. 270, ch. 22). It appears that Lan
is approximately the same age as Moiraine, which would be
consistent with Nynaeve's observation that Lan is old
enough to be her father (GH p. 114, ch. 8), and with Lord
Agelmar's statement that the fall of Malkier, when Lan was
an infant, was "fewer than 50 years ago" (EW p. 595, ch.
47). Therefore Lan would also be approximately 46-48 at
the time of the first visit to Emond's Field.
(k) Aviendha. Aviendha is approximately the same age as
Egwene and Elayne (DR p. 360, ch. 38). We may assume that
she was born in approximately 980, and thus, like Egwene
and Elayne, is approximately 18 when they meet in The
Dragon Reborn during 998 NE. Aviendha is described in
several locations (DR p. 361, ch. 38 and SR p. 686,
Glossary under "Aviendha") as being of the "Bitter Water"
sept of the Taardad; the reference to "Nine Valleys" in
The Shadow Rising (SR p. 158, ch. 12) is erroneous.
(l) Siuan Sanche. Siuan Sanche, the Amyrlin Seat, is
the daughter of a poor fisherman's family from the Maule,
the port district of Tear (GH p. 46, ch. 4). We are told at
least twice, once in 997 NE and once in 998, that she has
been the Amyrlin Seat for nearly ten years (GH p. 46, ch.
4; DR p. 116, ch. 12). Later in 998 we are told that she
has been Amyrlin for over ten years (SR p. 23, ch.
1). If she had been raised in 985, as stated in the
Glossary (DR, p.591, Glossary under "Siuan Sanche"), she
would have been Amyrlin 12 or 13 years at the time of
these statements. Accordingly, the Glossary date must be
wrong (and in fact, the date has been removed from the
Glossary in The Shadow Rising). The correct date
would seem to be 988, with her tenth anniversary occurring
sometime between the statements in The Dragon
Reborn and The Shadow Rising.
(m) Thom Merrilin. We know little of Thom Merrilin,
except that he is a former Court Bard at the court
of Andor, in Caemlyn, and an adept player of the Game of
Houses. He became the lover of Queen Morgase of
Andor in the early 980s, after the death of Taringail
Damodred (which cannot have been much before the birth of
Elayne in 980). He may have been responsible for the
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death of Taringail, who seems to have been plotting to
kill the Queen and seize power in Andor (SR p. 194, ch
17). His nephew Owyn was captured and gentled by the
Red Ajah in approximately 983 (SR p. 77 ch. 4; p. 195, ch.
17), and Thom's attempts to interfere with this
brought him afoul of Elaida and led to his breach with
Queen Morgase.
(n) Min. We know less of Min (Elmindreda) than of any
other significant character - not even her last name.
When we first meet her she is working at an inn in
Baerlon, but we do not know whether this is her native
city, and we know nothing of her family. She is described
as "a little older" than Rand (EW p. 180, ch. 15), and Mat
once described her, in jest, as "nearly as old as Nynaeve"
(EW p. 569, ch 45). It is likely that Mat exaggerates, but
Min is still likely to be a year or two older than Rand;
say 20 or 21 when they first meet.
(o) Zarine Bashere. Zarine (Faile) is the same age as
Perrin (DR p. 318, ch. 33 and p. 333, ch. 35), 20 years
old when they meet in The Dragon Reborn. She is the
oldest surviving child of Davram, Lord of Bashere,
Marshall-General of Saldea and uncle of Queen Tenobia;
Faile is thus the Queen's cousin (SR p. 471, ch. 41).
Since Queen Tenobia is eight years older than Faile (SR p.
649, ch. 56), the Queen would have been born in 970
NE, and would now be 28. Faile has at least one surviving
sibling, a younger brother Maedin, now 18 (SR p. 472, ch.
41).
4. General Chronological Table. On the basis of the
foregoing dates, we can construct the following general
chronology for the years leading up to beginning of The
Wheel of Time
Year Event
970 Queen Tenobia of Saldea born
971 Luc disappears in the Blight; [Galad born?]
972 Tigraine disappears; Shaiel joins Aiel
973 Nynaeve born
975 [The Sucession; contention for throne of Andor]
976 Laman's Sin; Aiel War begins
977 [Min born?]
978 Aiel War ends; Rand, Perrin, Mat, Gawyn, Faile
born; Moiraine, Siuan Sanche raised to Aes Sedai;
Moiraine meets Lan
980 Egwene, Elayne, Aviendha, Maedin Bashere born
981 [Taringail Damodred dies?]
983 [Thom Merrilin's nephew Owyn gentled; Thom
leaves Queen Morgase]
988 Siuan Sanche raised to Amyrlin Seat
997 The Eye of the World (spring)
The Great Hunt (summer, fall)
998 The Dragon Reborn (spring)
The Shadow Rising (summer)
It is remotely conceivable (if unlikely, given what we
know of Morgase's character), that Thom's relationship
with Morgase predated Taringail's death; even that Thom is
in fact Gawyn's and Elayne's natural father. If this were
the case, Elayne would be correct in her repeated
insistence that Galad is not her brother.
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Please note that the words "maybe," "perhaps," and "I
believe" are scattered in ample amounts in this analysis
of the prophecies. I tried to include as many
possibilities as I could think of and as many
possibilities as other could think up. That still doesn't
mean that we've hit on the right possibility. Just be sure
to remember that no interpretation contained herein is 100%
for sure correct...Also, if you have any ideas, please
feel free to share them with me so I can add them to this
analysis. Moiraine/Carolyn BJRK57C@prodigy.com
An Analysis of the Prophecies of the Wheel of Time
(to be considered the compliment to the May 29, 1994
compilation by Carolyn Fusinato)
June 29, 1994
by Carolyn Fusinato w/ help from the analysis by various
individuals on aol (Aaron17, Jman214, TaxLaw) as well as
from RS Millard's October, 92 compilation.
1. Histories from the Fourth Age.
1.01, 1.02, 1.03, 1.04
2. Prophecy.
i. The Karaethon Cycle.
a. portions of the Karaethon Cycle as recounted by
various characters
2.01, 2.02, 2.03, 2.04, 2.05, 2.06, 2.07, 2.08,
2.09, 2.10, 2.11
b. commentaries and translations from the Third Age
on the Karaethon Cycle
2.12, 2.13, 2.14, 2.15, 2.16
ii. prophecy pertaining to a certain people.
a. The Jendai Prophecy.
2.17
b. The Prophecy of Rhuidean
2.18, 2.19, 2.20, 2.21, 2.22, 2.23
iii. dark prophecy.
2.24
a. Verin's interpretation of the dark prophecy
2.25
iv. Prophecy of the Horn of Valere.
2.26, 2.27, 2.28, 2.29
3. Foretellings.
ii. Elaida's Foretellings.
3.01, 3.02
ii. Diendre's Foretellings.
3.03
iii. Gitara Moroso's Foretellings.
3.04, 3.05
4. Dreams.
i. Egwene's dreams.
4.01, 4.02, 4.03, 4.04, 4.05, 4.06
ii. Perrin's dreams.
4.07, 4.08, 4.09
iii. Wise One's dreams.
4.10, 4.11, 4.12, 4.13, 4.14, 4.15, 4.16, 4.17
iv. Morin's dreams
4.18
v. Sorelle's dreams.
4.19
vi. Rand's dreams.
4.20, 4.21, 4.22, 4.23, 4.24, 4.25, 4.26, 4.27,
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4.28, 4.29, 4.30, 4.31, 4.32
5. Visions.
i. Min's visions.
5.01, 5.02, 5.03, 5.04, 5.05, 5.06, 5.07, 5.08,
5.09, 5.10, 5.11, 5.12, 5.13, 5.14, 5.15, 5.16
ii. Aelfinn's visions
a. Mat's questions and the Eelfinn's answers
5.17
b. What we know of Rand's answers
5.18, 5.19, 5.20, 5.21, 5.22, 5.23, 5.24
c. What we know of Moiraine's answers
5.25, 5.26, 5.27, 5.28
6. Ter'angreal used by the Wise Ones in Rhuidean.
i. Aviendha.
6.01, 6.02, 6.03, 6.04
ii. Moiraine.
6.05, 6.06, 6.07
7. Eelfinn.
7.01, 7.02
1. Histories from the Fourth Age.
1.01 History of the breaking of the world.
1.02 "The mountain" must be Dragonmount. The portion that
states that the Rand should "sing to the land that green
things will grow and the valleys give forth lambs" may
indicate that the song that the Tuatha'an are searching
for will be found-perhaps by Rand. Artur Hawkwing's sword
is named Justice, but the exerpt stating "the great sword
of justice defend us" may merely be metephorical. "Let the
Dragon ride again on the winds of time" may have some
relevance to Perrin's dream which concerns Rand (4.08).
1.03 The "Sword held in the Stone" is Callandor (obvious
allusion to excalliber). It is interesting that it states
that "no hand but his should wield...[Callandor]. This
indicate that the theory that Logain will draw Callandor
from the Heart of the Stone is only speculation.
1.04 Rand led the Aiel out of the Waste to battle with
the Shaido and those that follwed Couladin.
2. Prophecy.
i. The Karaethon Cycle.
a. portions of the Karaethon Cycle as recounted by
various characters
2.01 The Aiel also known as the People of the Dragon came
to the Stone at the end of TDR they raided it, but Rand
took the stone after he drew Callandor and after he
defeated Ishamael. The Stone has fallen.
2.02 Could mean just about anything. The world is
definately in tourmoil, but it cannot be described as
"shattered" yet. Neither has he made it anew.
2.03 The first heron was received fighting Ishamael in
one of the Mirrors while traveling with Hurin and Loial
and hunting the horn in TGH. The second heron was received
at the end of TGH when he fought Ishamael again in the
mist above Falme. Here is where there is disagreement.
Some contest that Rand has yet to be marked a second time
by the Dragon. This is based partly on the fact that we
are not sure what price he must pay. The first heron sent
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him to Falme with the Horn. The second saw him named the
Dragon Reborn. The first marking of the Dragon was for the
lost remembrance of the Aiel's past as Da'shain, servants
to the Aes Sedai. The theory is also based on some other
prophesy, namely one of Perrin's dreams (4.08)and two of
Egwene's dreams (4.02, 4.04).
2.04 "Twice dawns the day..." is probably the eclipse
theory, but some think Rand will use balefire (even if he
did, he wouldn't travel back in time, the time that
elapsed just would not have happened.) "Once for mourning"
may be Rand's death or someone elses. It's unclear. Once
for birth, may be for the birth of the Fourth Age, or for
the birth of Rand's supposed offspring. It has been
speculated that by some off chance, Aviendha conceived.
Not untirely unlikely...considering. "Red on black.."
blood letting-Rand supposes that it will be from the wound
he received in Falme- doesn't necessarily mean death. Rand
will battle with the Dark One in the Pit of Doom. Some
believe he will seal himself in with the Dark One this
time.
2.05 Rand will face the Dark One in the Last Battle.
2.06 Perrin, Hurin, Ingtar, Mat and Rand rode into Falme,
but Ingtar sacrificed himself so that they could escape
alive. The watchers are probably the Do Miere A'vron in
Falme where he was marked by the Heron the second time and
fought Ishamael in the sky ("banner cross the sky in
fire") causing him to be named the Dragon Reborn.
2.07 Rand's intentions were to lead the Aiel across the
Dragonwall and bind the nations to him by concurring them
with the Aiel. He hoped that this would give the world a
short time of peace in which they could prepare for the
coming of the Dark One. While in service to Rand for this
purpose, they will apparently be slain in battle and then
almost utterly at the upcoming Battle of Tar Valon. He has
already begun destroying them with the leaf when he told
them of their origins at the end of TSR. The Aiel once
followed the Way of the Leaf. To the Aielman's way of
thinking, their ancestors swore to be gai'shain and swore
for all of their decendants to be gai'shain. In breaking
their oath to the Aes Sedia, their ancestors broke
ji'e'toh in taking up the spear, which is nearly the worst
thing an Aiel can do.
To "bind the nine moons to serve him" must refer to the
Seanchan since the only nine moons mentioned is the Court
of the Nine Moons which the Empress is reputed to lead.
I would guess that the "wound of madness and cutting of
hope" that he is to heal is the taint, however the taint
isn't a "wound" of madness, but the precipitator of it.
Perhaps it is the wound in his side. Egwene said that it
felt as though it housed all the evil of the world. If it
were filled with the taint, then it would be a wound
filled "of madness." The cutting of hope may refer to the
taint contained in it. I doubt it.
The chains he has broken are those that connected Asmodean
and Ishamael to the Dark One. He put Asmodean in chains
when he recruted him as a teacher.
2.08 Rand's blood letting will free man from the Dark One.
2.09 "Power of the Shadow made human flesh, wakened to
turmoil, strife and ruin." This must refer to the
Forsaken. Rand "dances the sword in dreams and mist." The
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fight in Falme is the dancing of the sword in the mist and
he has fought with the sword in dreams many times. He
secured Asmodean as his teacher, thus fulfilling the
segment "...chains the Shadowsworn to his will..." "From
the city, lost and forsaken..."-Rhuidean- he has led the
Aiel to war w/ the Shaido in Cairhien. The Aiel are not
broken yet, though he has told them of their ancestry. The
ancient dream may be Tel'aran'rhiod or it may be the
Tuath'an's dream to find the song, or it may be the
Ter'angreal in Rhuidean that shows the Wise Ones and Clan
Chiefs the Aiel's history.
2.10 The Karaethon prophecy makes no mention of Perrin or
Mat.
2.11 "Into the heart..." Into the Heart of the Stone.
"his sword..." Callandor. "to hold their hearts..." to
assure the Tairens of his return thus securing his hold of
Tear. "Who draws it out shall follow after,/What hand
shall grasp that fearful blade?" It has been speculated
that Logain would draw Callandor from the Stone. This line
does indicate that someone other than the Dragon Reborn
will draw Callandor. However, perhaps it means who will be
the Dragon Reborn in the next age and is questioning what
new face will Lews Therin/Rand al'Thor wear in the next
age when he shall draw it from the Stone again.
b. commentaries and translations from the Third Age
on the Karaethon Cycle
2.12 Nations shattering, the Dark One gains power in the
world again...Lews Therin will be reborn as Rand al'Thor
and be man's salvation in the Last Battle. This seems to
be another translation of the same portion of the
Karaethon Cycle that Siuan quoted (2.02).
2.13 interpretation of 2.06
2.14 Would seem to be another translation of the same
passage that was translated in 2.12 and 2.02.
2.15 Another translation of the same passage as
translated in 2.11, but it includes the portion that
foretells Rand's birth by a Far Dareis Mai (Shaiel who is
Tigraine).
2.16 Nothing vastly different from the previous passages
besides one portion which states "The wall is pierced, and
the veil of parting raised." Perhaps this is a reference
to the Sharrans or perhaps only a part of it is. The wall
may refer to Sharra or to the Shining Walls of Tar Valon.
ii. prophecy pertaining to a certain people.
a. The Jendai Prophecy.
2.17 Rand channels. Rand holds Callandor. The People of
the Dragon have taken the stone (at his call?-not
exactly...). The Stone of Tear has fallen, war...The
Seanchan have returned and the Corenne was halted by Rand,
the Whitecloaks, the Shienarans and the Heroes of the Horn
in Falme for the first time. Evidently they will be driven
back again as the wording would imply. Moiraine serves
him, after a fashion, though none that I know of have
knelt to wash his feet with their hair. That may be
metephorical or it may come to pass to the letter.
Whtever, it is a biblical allusion.
b. The Prophecy of Rhuidean
2.18 If the Aiel fail to save the Aes Sedai from the
Seanchan, the Aes Sedai will be captured and forced as
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damane to slay the Aiel.
2.19 Rand came from the Two Rivers, but his biological
father was Janduin. He went to Rhuidean and then lead them
from Rhuidean to Cairhien to fight the Shaido. "Under this
sign he will conquer" may have two meanings. First, he
slew the Darkhounds under the ancient Aes Sedai symbol in
Rhidean and then he took Cairhien under a banner with the
symbol on it. Undoubtably both or either would satisfy the
prophecy.
2.20 Dragon Reborn may not be the Car'a'carn, but he
is...
2.21 "the stone that never falls..." Tear. He is Aiel by
his father Janduin, but he was raised by the blood of
Manetheren in the Two Rivers. He came out of Rhuidean at
dawn and he has kept the Aiel together. "He will take you
back" may refer to him taking the Aiel back across the
Dragonwall or it may mean he will taken them back to serve
Aes Sedai..."and he will destroy you..." Probably refers
to his destroying them by telling them of the Da'shain.
2.22 "yet the remnant of a remnant shall he save, and
they shall live." Rand will slay the Aiel in battle,
perhaps against the nations or perhaps against the
Seanchan at a battle at the footsteps of Tar Valon.
2.23 Aiel by Janduin, raised by the blood of Manetheren.
iii. dark prophecy.
2.24 Lanfear is loose. "ancient war" good vs. evil. "Her
new lover she seeks, who shall serve her and die, yet
serve still..." may be Asmodean, or Rand, or not prophecy
at all. Tar Valon will be taken. "death beyond dying" may
support the sealed with the Dark One theory in that he
would be sealed forever with no chance to be reincarnated
to live again. "life eternal" would mean serving the Dark
One. Luc and Isam(Luc is brother to Tigraine and
disappeared into the blight a year before his sister
disappeared. His House name is Mantear. Isam is the son of
Breyen whose attempt to seize the throne of Malkier for
her husband (Lain Mandragoran) resulted in Malkier's fall
to the Blight) have some bond together probably not unlike
the Padan Fain/Mordeth bond except one and thus both have
access to Tel'aran'rhiod. It is speculated that like the
meshed personality of Fain/Mordeth, Ordieth, Slayer is the
meshed personality of Luc/Isam. The end of an age is
coming ("Time of Change"). The Do Miere A'vron wait for
the return of Artur Hawkwing's decendents. Hawkwing's
decendents raze Almoth Plain ("the ancient tree").
"ancient wrong" may refer to those who failed who keep the
Oaths and forgot about Uther and his expedition or it may
refer to the Aiel because they abandoned the Way of the
Leaf.
a. Verin's interpretation of the dark prophecy
2.25 explains most of Dark Prophecy. I basically restated
it above.
iv. Prophecy of the Horn of Valere.
2.26 "In the last lorn fight, 'gainst the fall of long
night..." clearly prophecizes the horn's fate to be used
in the last battle to prevent the victory of the Dark One.
"For the grave is no bar to my call." The horn can call
the dead heroes from death so that they may fight in the
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damane to slay the Aiel.
2.19 Rand came from the Two Rivers, but his biological
father was Janduin. He went to Rhuidean and then lead them
from Rhuidean to Cairhien to fight the Shaido. "Under this
sign he will conquer" may have two meanings. First, he
slew the Darkhounds under the ancient Aes Sedai symbol in
Rhidean and then he took Cairhien under a banner with the
symbol on it. Undoubtably both or either would satisfy the
prophecy.
2.20 Dragon Reborn may not be the Car'a'carn, but he
is...
2.21 "the stone that never falls..." Tear. He is Aiel by
his father Janduin, but he was raised by the blood of
Manetheren in the Two Rivers. He came out of Rhuidean at
dawn and he has kept the Aiel together. "He will take you
back" may refer to him taking the Aiel back across the
Dragonwall or it may mean he will taken them back to serve
Aes Sedai..."and he will destroy you..." Probably refers
to his destroying them by telling them of the Da'shain.
2.22 "yet the remnant of a remnant shall he save, and
they shall live." Rand will slay the Aiel in battle,
perhaps against the nations or perhaps against the
Seanchan at a battle at the footsteps of Tar Valon.
2.23 Aiel by Janduin, raised by the blood of Manetheren.
iii. dark prophecy.
2.24 Lanfear is loose. "ancient war" good vs. evil. "Her
new lover she seeks, who shall serve her and die, yet
serve still..." may be Asmodean, or Rand, or not prophecy
at all. Tar Valon will be taken. "death beyond dying" may
support the sealed with the Dark One theory in that he
would be sealed forever with no chance to be reincarnated
to live again. "life eternal" would mean serving the Dark
One. Luc and Isam(Luc is brother to Tigraine and
disappeared into the blight a year before his sister
disappeared. His House name is Mantear. Isam is the son of
Breyen whose attempt to seize the throne of Malkier for
her husband (Lain Mandragoran) resulted in Malkier's fall
to the Blight) have some bond together probably not unlike
the Padan Fain/Mordeth bond except one and thus both have
access to Tel'aran'rhiod. It is speculated that like the
meshed personality of Fain/Mordeth, Ordieth, Slayer is the
meshed personality of Luc/Isam. The end of an age is
coming ("Time of Change"). The Do Miere A'vron wait for
the return of Artur Hawkwing's decendents. Hawkwing's
decendents raze Almoth Plain ("the ancient tree").
"ancient wrong" may refer to those who failed who keep the
Oaths and forgot about Uther and his expedition or it may
refer to the Aiel because they abandoned the Way of the
Leaf.
a. Verin's interpretation of the dark prophecy
2.25 explains most of Dark Prophecy. I basically restated
it above.
iv. Prophecy of the Horn of Valere.
2.26 "In the last lorn fight, 'gainst the fall of long
night..." clearly prophecizes the horn's fate to be used
in the last battle to prevent the victory of the Dark One.
"For the grave is no bar to my call." The horn can call
the dead heroes from death so that they may fight in the
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last battle and as we saw at other times (Falme).
2.27 This told us that the those that are called by the
Horn of Valere will follow whoever winds it, which is not
necessarily true considering Hawkwing's words in TGH at
Falme (2.29).
2.28 When Mat sounded the horn the first time, he wasn't
thinking of glory. Whether he was thinking of salvation is
unclear. Perhaps this is meant for the last battle.
2.29 We discover that the Heroes of the Horn may come to
the Horn, but they must follow the Dragon's banner, and
the Dragon.
3. Foretellings.
ii. Elaida's Foretellings.
3.01 Death/distruction. That whole bit. Not exactly
enlightening.
3.02 "...The Royal line of Andor would be the key to
defeating the Dark One in the Last Battle..." Technically,
Rand shouldn't be considered of the Royal line of Andor.
He isn't in a position to inherit which this would
suggest. Thus, this Foretelling might refer to Tigraine
who birthed Rand while she was a Maiden on Dragonmount.
ii. Diendre's Foretellings.
3.03 The Aiel have a part to play. Rhuidean. Clearly
there was some indication that the Aiel would not keep the
Covenant, which explain's Solinda's warning.
iii. Gitara Moroso's Foretellings.
3.04 Gitara Morosa Foretelling Rand al'Thor, the Dragon
Reborn's, birth.
3.05 This Foretelling sent Tigraine into the Waste to
become a Maiden of the Spear and as Shaiel became
Janduin's lover and returned to Tar Valon during the Aiel
War to give birth to Rand. "She could not return to her
own land..." I'm not sure what this means. Surely she died
on Dragonmount?
4. Dreams.
i. Egwene's dreams.
4.01 Ishamael/Ba'alzamon would the man with a mask over
his face. Rand sleeping on the Portal Stone with
Lanfear/Selene standing over him. I think this indicates
that Lanfear brought Rand and company into the Mirror
world in the first place.
4.02
Seanchan-Aes Sedai captured as damane forced to fight
the White Tower. The captured Aes Sedai may be the Salidar
Aes Sedai as Min's visions seem to indicate(5.12).
Whitecloaks-Whitecloak invasion of the Two Rivers.
Rand-Callandor and Ba'lal's (The Weaver?) trap.
Rhuidean I think, but kneeling? I don't remember that.
Rand walking into the Pit of Doom. I think this
confronting of Seanchan was the skirmish in FOH when Rand
and Aviendha were in Seanchan.
Perrin-The falcon is Faile and the hawk is Berelain.
The falcon on his shoulder probably symbolizes their
marriage, while the hawk with a leash in hand(claw as
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things go) trying to fasten it around his neck symbolizes
her struggle to take Perrin away from Faile. Perrin has a
beard because of Faile. However as yet, there have been no
wolves nearby in the Two Rivers much less a huge pack of
wolves that stretched as far as the eye could see for
Perrin to lead.
Mat-Mat's eye must have been the price for his wishes
granted from the Eelfinn(left eye). After having his
wishes granted, he was found hanging from Avendesora by
Rand in TSR. Whatever is to happen between Mat and the
Seanchan was considered nightmarish by Egwene. After his
wishes were granted, Mat has been able to speak the Old
Tongue fluently.
4.03
Rand-The sword that blazed like a sun is Callandor.
He was threatened in TDR in Tel'aran'rhiod while he was
traveling to the Stone of Tear. Thus, none of the attacks
were "real" in the sense that they were not occuring in
the real world despite the fact that wounds acquired in
Tel'aran'rhiod remain when waking-except death, in which
case one would not wake. Rand was at the time in danger
from both Ba'alzamon/Ishamael and Lanfear.
Perrin-The wolf is Hopper. The falcon is Faile and
the hawk is Berelain. Faile and Berelain fought in TSR
over Perrin and Berelain vowed to take Perrin away from
Faile and keep him as a pet for as long as he amuses
her-unresolved subplot _there._ The stepping off the cliff
may be when Perrin decided to give himself up the the
Whitecloaks in order to save the village. I doubt it. I
believe that this will have something to do with resolving
his conflict with the part of him that wants to run with
the wolves. The Aiel is Gaul.
Min-Min's arival to Tar Valon precipitated the
breaking of the Tower by further arrousing Elaida's
suspicions. However, Elaida's trap was not aimed at Min
specifically and Min was unhurt (physically) by the affair
and managed to survive it w/o ever being caught. Thus, she
sprung the trap and walked through it without so much as
seeing it...until it had caught Suian and Leane and caused
the breaking of the Tower. Even now she doesn't realize
that her arrival began those events.
Mat-Mat suspends the laws of chance, or this dream
might refer to his night of dicing in Tar Valon. A Gray
Man followed Mat until Mat killed him in Tar Valon. There
might have been more than just that one following him.
Riding towards Caemlyn to deliver Elayne's letter to
Morgase. The woman tossing fireworks is Aludra, the
exIlluminator.
general-The men and women breaking out of a cage, and
then putting on crowns are the Forsaken. The next portion
describes just about everyone in the entire series-someone
pulling strings. Galldrian's death. Morgase weeping? The
succession in Cairhien and the taking of the Stone,
possibly others. The Whitecloaks commanded by Dain
Bornhald and accompanied by Ordieth/Padan
Fain/Mordeth/etc. The Coreene will resume and the Seanchan
will return to the mainland to slay the "ancient wrong."
4.04
Seanchan-Really, unknown. Just another reminder that
the Seanchan will return. It's hard to say since Egwene
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refuses to think about their parts in her dreams.
Master Luhhan-Master Luhhan was arrested and held in
the Whitecloaks encampment as a trap to snag Perrin when
he tried to rescue him, his wife and Mat's two sisters.
They were rescued anyway, though.
Perrin-The fact that the falcon is now on his
shoulder may be symbolic of Perrin's marriage to Faile. I
still haven't quite "gotten" the whole significance of the
choice between the axe and the hammer. I would assume that
now that he has a tie to him, he might be less willing to
risk himself using violent means to combat the Dark One.
Aaron17 says that the choice is to create or to destroy.
Mat-Mat made a wager w/ Rhavin/Gaebril and he left
Caemlyn to save Egwene, Nynaeve, and Elayne from Comar.
Rand-Rand sneaking across the country to see if he
could wield Callandor while the surviving Forsaken, six
male (Rahvin, Sammael, Ba'lal, Ishamael, Asmodean,
Demandred) and five female (Lanfear, Semirhage, Graendal,
Moghedien, and Mesaana), are either hunting him or
ignoring him. Some want him to reach Callandor (Ba'lal,
Lanfear?) whereas others do not. Perhaps some see him in
Tel'aran'rhiod, thus explaining the "flashes." Maybe not.
One is Ba'alzamon/Ishamael and he wants Rand dead. Rand is
in the dry, dusty chamber for a second time-this is either
Rhuidean or it is something to come or it's something I'm
not aware of. Now Rand confronts a "horde" of
Seanchan-this may support the theory that there will be a
battle between the Aiel ("ancient wrong") and the Seanchan
(the "seed"). Then confronting Egwene and the women with
her (the survivers of Salidar and other renigade Aes Sedai
who were not captured by Seanchan?). One of the women with
her is Seanchan. This may be Egeanin or it may be some
other Seanchan (perhaps the elephant trainer? or the
Daughter of the Nine Moons? Naahh.).
4.05
Rand-I don't really know what any of this dream is
prophecizing, I can only guess. Rand's on a power trip and
maybe going mad? Rand is chained by the Black Ajah w/ the
black collar that was created during the Breaking. Rand
seals himself inside with the Dark One and continues his
fight w/ Shai't*n for the rest of eternity in Shayol Ghul,
thus explaining why this is _the_ last battle and not just
another conflict?
Aiel-The fight between the Shaido and the other clans
and the bleakness.
Mat-It has been suggested that the Seanchan woman may
be the Daughter of the Nine Moons/Tuon (favored by the
Empress for succession) and Mat's marriage may be a
political one, explaining why they are fighting and the
leash.
Perrin-Perrin fighting in Tel'aran'rhiod (wolf) and
awake with Slayer (the man whose face keeps changing
because in the real world he appears to be Luc, Tigraine's
brother, and in the dream he appears to be Isam, Lan's
cousin and son of Breyen and Lain Mandragoran.
Incidentily, I think Mantear may be a Murandian House and
that he took his father's House name as Galadrid has taken
his father's House name, Damodred.
Galad-Became a Whitecloak. The shroud portion would
indicate that this decision will have a fatal outcome, but
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I'm unsure.
Gawyn-Gawyn killed his teacher, Hammar and the Master
of Arms, Coulin, two people he undoubtably respected for a
cause that turned out worthless when he allowed Suian
(whom he hates and distruts at the moment) and Leane to
escape on Min's request.
Marin al'Vere-She could have wept over any number of
things since the Whitecloaks and the Trollocs came to Two
Rivers. If it isn't fulfilled than, I couldn't guess.
4.06
Rand-Rand assumes control of Andor and Morgase isn't
to happy about it. So unhappy, in fact, that she is
willing to do anything to get her position back-ask for
help from the Whitecloaks? And she doesn't even know yet
that the DR has killed Gaebril/Rhavin. In light of the
fact that the Forsaken has been removed from the scene, I
wonder if she will still consider the sacrifice of
bringing the Whitecloaks into Andor neccessary?
Perrin-Happily married. His banner and the banner of
Manetheren. Aram is a danger to the marriage? Emond's
field? Somehow the danger involves his closeness to
Perrin, perhaps the danger of a growing friendship rather
than his physical proximity.
Mat-Mat's deal with the Eelfinn and the blood
streaming down his face would then be his part of the
bargain. The loss of his left eye.
Thom-OK, this is a long shot. Since Thom is
apparently saving Moiraine from her little hot spot while
Mat is throwing dice and making his payment, I will guess
that they will both go to save Moiraine from the Eelfinn
through the Tower of Ghenji and at this time, Mat will
distract the Eelfinn by dealing with them. He will be
forced to make his payment for the previous bargain
through the loss of his left eye.
general-Maybe the battle of Cairhien or maybe
something in the future.
ii. Perrin's dreams.
4.07
Mat-I think that this is again Mat's bargain with the
Fox people. However, it describes his opponent as having
eyes of fire. It may be another reference to his wager
with Rhavin which his winning of would probably thwart
Ishamael's plans also.
Egwene and Nynaeve and Elayne-They walked right into
the trap at Tear that they knew was there waiting for
them. Liandrin laughing at them and Lanfear laughing at
her.
4.08
Rand-I think that this indicates that there will be
another marking of the Dragons. However it doesn't mention
any more "settling into the skin," so I'm uncertain.
Perhaps it is merely indicating that Rand will go mad for
a time. Someone is watching Rand and he may not know it.
It could have been Sammael diguised as Pevin except that
Pevin died from a Trolloc spear at the end of FOH. Perhaps
some other Forsaken we haven't met yet is one of Rand's
followers. Aaron17 suggest Kadere.
Nynaeve and Elayne-hunting the Black Ajah and what
they were after in Tel'aran'rhiod in Tarabon.
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Mat-He could have gone to Emond's Field with Perrin,
but he stayed and went through the red stone
_ter'angreal._ Flipped a coin at the Portal Stone to
decide which symbol would bring them to Rhuidean which
resulted in his going to Rhuidean and acquiring his staff
bearing a short sword blade. Another coin resulted in his
acquisition of his wide brimmed hat from Kadere.
Egwene and Amys-I think this adds support to my
theory that there will be a battle between the Aiel and
the Seanchan at Tar Valon and that it will go badly (thus
explaining why Egwene has even a chance at becoming
Amyrlin). Since they are in front of the White Tower, you
could say that they are defending it. It crumbles because
they are loosing. However, it may be that the Tower is in
the process of falling anyway and the fact that the White
Tower is behind Egwene and Amys is of no consequence.
4.09
Egwene-Those Aes Sedai that are left from Salidar or
the Battle of Tar Valon (between the Seanchan and Aiel) or
some other calamity will accept Egwene as their leader.
Egwene becomes Amyrlin. Both Nynaeve and Elayne are among
the survivers.
Mat-I think that this is a reference to when the
Eelfinn will collect their price. It may have something to
do with the Seanchan, though there is no indication of such.
Rand-This is probably connected with Min's vision of
a beggar's staff. It sounds very Oedipus Rexish, but I
wouldn't think that the condition results from the same
sequence of events. However, I believe that Rand will do
something that he cannot forgive himself for and this is
his self punishment. If not, then I cannot guess.
iii. Wise One's dreams.
4.10 The Wise One's dreamed that Aviendha would come with
Rand by way of the Portal Stone.
4.11 Just included to indicate that we haven't heard half
of what they said to Moiraine.
4.12 Reference to the Wise One's prediction in 4.10.
4.13 Connected to 4.10. Amys knew that Rhuarc would come
on that day to the slopes of Chaendar.
4.14 Another reference that the Wise One's dreamed of
their arrival.
4.15 Lan might not have come, ergo he could possibly have
gone with Nynaeve, or he could have died.
4.16 The Wise Ones knew that Moiraine should go through
the _ter'angreal_ in Rhuidean, the consequence of not
doing so is unknown.
4.17 ...wreath...It is an aiel custom for the female to
lay a bridal wreath in front of the man she wishes to
marry. If they were so desperate to make Rand see Aiel
blood for his own, I don't think that their first choice
would have been Aviendha. In fact, for them to have kept
using Aviendha for so long when things had been looking so
bleak in that direction, I think they must have dreamed
that Aviendha and Rand would have a relationship.
4.18 Moiraine and Lanfear aren't dead?
iv. Morin's dreams
4.19 Morin makes a comment that Jeordam would make a fine
father and then she says that she saw his face in a dream.
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I think they must have married eventually. Either way
whatever happened has been fulfilled by now.
v. Sorelle's dreams.
4.20 Dreamed that she would get a fever at twenty. She did
and died.
vi. Rand's dreams.
4.21 Ishamael first beginning to touch Rand's dreams.
4.22 Another Ishamael haunted dream.
4.23 In Moiraine's description of the fall of Aridhol,
she says, "How Thorin's son, Caar, came to win Aridhol
back to the Second Covenant, and Balwen sat his throne, a
withered shell with the light of madness in his eyes,
laughting while Mordeth smiled at his side and ordered the
deaths of Caar and the embassy as Friends of the Dark. How
Prince Caar came to be called Caar One-Hand. How he
escaped the dungeons of Aridhol and fled alone to the
Borderlands with Mordeth's unnatural assasins at his
heels." With this in mind, my analysis of the dream is
this: Rand meshed all the recent things that had happened
to him together and had a normal nightmare. Tam's sword
has become important to him. In Baerlon, Min told him of
Lan's aura, of a baby in a cradle carrying a sword. The
persuit of Prince Caar by Mordeth's unnatural assasins and
Prince Caar's loss of his hand. the old man must then be
Balwen.
4.24 Ishamael in Rand's dream.
4.25 Ordinary nightmare spawned from all the unusual
happenings and from the stress of running and being
hunted. Where he got the "Dragon is one with the land" and
the "Queen is wed with the land," I don't know. It sounds
celtic.
4.26 Blacked out when he fell over the wall. Either an
ordinary nightmare turned Ishamael invaded, or just an
ordinary nightmare.
4.27 Ishamael haunted dream.
4.28 Ordinary dream created by his subconscious based on
what had been happening so far. Suprisingly insightful
dream. His subconcious notices that Moiraine is prodding
him because of her fears of what will happen if he doesn't
accept his destiny. His problem deciding between Min and
Elayne finds it's way into his dream as well as his fear
of going mad and decaying from the taint.
4.29 Lanfear enters Rand's dream which had been of Elayne
and Min again with Aviendha making her first appearance.
4.30 Elayne, Min, and Aviendha are constantly in Rand's
dreams now.
4.31 A dream of Aviendha.
4.32 Another ordinary dream resulting from Melaine's
wedding and his own subconscious desires.
4.33 Nothing prophetic.
5. Visions.
i. Min's visions.
5.01
group-The group is central to the events leading to
the Last Battle and the events during the Last Battle. In
danger.
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<note 12 of 18>
Egwene & Thom-Both part of it. Egwene will not marry
Rand, be his lover, or any of the above. She will become
Aes Sedai.
Lan-Lan's past/Malkier, etc.
Thom-Owen, Thom's nephew who could channel. The White
Tower is probably in his aura because he attempted to save
Owen from the Tower, or at least because he is attempting
to save Rand from the Tower. However, it could mean he can
learn to channel or that he can channel. I doubt it.
Perrin-Perrin will become a wolfbrother. The meaning
of the trees flowering around him is possibly freom TSR
when Perrin is under apple blossoms where family buried.
Probably it hasn't occured yet. The broken crown might
have something to do with Manetheren or at least with his
new found Lordship of the Two Rivers.
Mat-The red eagle could mean that he is Aemon reborn,
however in most cases Mat has been a millitary advisor,
not the one in charge. Again the left eye is his price for
his bargain with the Eelfinn. The dagger retreived from
Shadar Logoth/Aridhol. Mat would blow the Horn of Valere
and become linked with it (still is?). Mat's sense of
humor?
Rand-Callandor is the sword that isn't a sword. The
golden crown of laurel leaves may symbolize victory, or it
has not been fulfilled. The beggar staff theory is
mentioned elsewhere, however it is yet unfulfilled. The
pouring of water on sand could have been fulfilled either
by the lake created when Rand fought Asmodean/Joar Addam
Nessosin or when he caused the fountain's to run again or
when he caused it to rain in Al'cair Dal. The bloody hand
has several theories to it which are covered the FAQ.
Essentially, the actual event that this predicts cannot be
guessed. The three women standing over Rand's funeral bier
is probably that actual vision that Min had where she
discovered that she would fall in love with him as well as
Elayne and Aviendha. The funeral bier would indicate that
Rand will die. The blood on the rocks of Shayol Ghul
again. Danger.
5.02
Egwene-Egwene will be Amyrlin. White Flame of Tar
Valon.
Elayne-Elayne will have to share Rand with Min and
Aviendha. She will be Queen of Andor. Someone is going to
loose a hand, maybe Rand.
5.03 Elayne is part of the group.
5.04 Rand won't marry Egwene, but will likely marry
Elayne, Aviendha, and Min.
5.05 Elayne is linked to Rand, Perrin, Mat, and Galad.
5.06
Nynaeve-Nynaeve will be in trouble and the ring will
be in her rescue.
Elayne-Another reference to an iron. A "white hot"
iron was mentioned in Rand's viewing in Baerlon (5.01).
The significance of the axe is unknown.
Both-The images mean trouble, but it will occur in
the distant future (soon, perhaps? only three books
left...)
5.07 Aviendha and the relationship that Rand will have
with them all is uncertain. Which is strange since it
specifically says in the viewing of Elayne at Tar Valon
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(5.02) that Elayne will have to share her _husband_ with
two other women. That indicates to me that they will all
be married to Rand as is the Aiel custom.
5.08
Perrin-Gaul when he was captured by Hunters of the
Horn and caged in the village of Remen. Aram was the
Tuatha'an with a sword. Now both falcone and hawk perch on
his shoulders. The significance of that is unknown to me.
If perching on his shoulder does signify marriage (?),
then something strange is going to happen. The odd thing
is that here Faile and Berelain are not fighting. The
usual danger stuff.
5.09
Ananda-dead
Aes Sedai of the Green Ajah-dead
Aes Sedai w/ blue eyes-dead
Three Aes Sedai-three above would die
Accepted-caged, maybe dead
Sheriam-wouldn't die
Aes Sedai of the Brown Ajah-dead
warders-wounds, death
servants-bear signs of violence
An Aes Sedai-more captivity
another-an a'dam
Gawyn-I think his "hurt" is that he killed Hammar and
Coulin and the feat was made pointless when he lets Siuan
walk free. He was in the wrong when he killed Hammar and
Coulin, but he didn't know that at the time. Then again,
he could simply have stood aside-well, lets not argue
ethics. Whatever, it's evident that he's done something
wrong to his thinking, either in killing Hammar and Coulin
or in letting Siuan and Leane go. I suppose in killing
Hammar and Coulin, he earned a right to a blademaster's
sword-perhaps he took one of their swords. He was also
threatened by a Warder's sword when he fought them. The
green field may signify that he will become a Warder to
the Green Ajah, to Egwene. Or it could tie him to the
Seanchan. According to Aaron17, the colors gold and green
are repeatedly mentioned in the chapter, "A Short Spear,"
in FOH.
Leane-she would be tortured and stilled-not
necessarily in that order.
Suian Sanche-Suian would be stilled, stripped, and
left locked up in one of the deep cells where no one has
been confined since Bonwhin.
Rand-I don't know about the faces being blurred. I
think she lied. Elayne, Min and Aviendha would fall in
love w/ Rand.
5.10
Logain-The Cairhien flag is a "many-rayed golden sun
rising from the bottom of a field of sky blue." I
personally think that Logain and Sheriam (5.12) are
destined to be the rulers of Cairhien. Nuts, I know! Then
there is also Turak's banner. <TGH, Chapter 34, The Wheel
Weaves, p415> "Fain eyed the blue-bordered banner flapping
above the roof, the spread-winged hawk clutching lightning
bolts, and chortled inside himself..." <TGH, Chapter 42,
Falme, p501> "Above the rooftops, on the next street, the
golden hawk banner of the High Lord Turak flapped in the
wind." Considering that many of the visions Min had in
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Salidar of Aes Sedai were connected with the Seanchan, it
might be wise to believe that the Seanchan may also have a
connection with this viewing. Or none of this may have any
bearing...Either way, I must question the theory that
Logain will pull out Callandor because I cannot see how
Sheriam would fit into that.
5.11
Logain-covered in 5.10.
Gawyn-Either Gawyn will come to realize that Egwene
and Suian are in the right, or he will do everything in
his power to thwart them/Egwene.
5.12
Sheriam-Must somehow be connected with Logain-too
similar not to be.(5.10)
Carlinya-"To wear the ravens was to be the property
of the Imperial family." <TSR, Chapter 38, Hidden Faces,
p441> Clearly, Carlinya is going to be captured and made
the property of the Empress or some member of that family.
Edesina-Will be captured and made damane, but she
will escape somehow.
5.13
Siuane Sanche and Gareth Bryne-The bull ripping roses
from around his neck signifies that Gareth Bryne has
abandoned his allegiance to Morgase. The rest is pretty
clear. Should Siuan and Gareth be seperated by too great a
distance for too long, they will both die.
5.14
Faolain-Faolain has a nice future.
5.15
Marigan, Nicola, and Areina-Marigan, Nicola, and
Areina are trouble. Which isn't suprising considering that
Areina is Moghedian, Nicola is Temaile Kinderode, and
Marigan is Chesmal Emry.
5.16
ii. Aelfinn's visions
a. Mat's questions and the Eelfinn's answers
5.17 He has gone to Rhuidean and made a deal with the
Eelfinn/Foxes for which he must pay the price of loosing
his left eye. The Daughter of the Nine Moons is Tuon,
second daughter of the Empress and currently favored for
succession. I don't know exactly what to live again a part
of what was is since he has died many times, but I would
imagine that the Eelfinn killed him in order to fulfill
this prophecy and in order to sever his tie to the Horn so
that the Aes Sedai do not have that hold on him. You
could say that he is a part of what was though his
memories of his past lives. It is currently held that
Mat's act of giving up half the light of the world is a
clever way of restating that he will loose his left eye.
To save the world? Maybe to save Moiraine, but how he will
save the world in loosing his eye, I don't know.
b. What we know of Rand's answers
5.18 One of Rand's questions must have been concerning
Elayne since the book _Dealings with the Territory of
Mayene_ was one that tipped him off on the red stone
ter'angreal that would take you to Aelfinn land.
5.19 Either Rand is smarter than he appears or he asked a
few questions of the Snakes concerning Cairhien and other
matters. I don't really think he asked a question
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concerning Alteima.
5.20 He knows exactly who he will have rule Cairhien.
That's unusual, because he doesn't know Logain and I don't
know who he trusts enough to sit on the throne that he
does know. Thus, I think he had that answer from the red
stone _ter'angreal._
5.21 He plans to come back for Callandor...I would guess
he meant to say, "Just until I learn to control Saidin."
5.22 Support for 5.21.
5.23 Moiraine suspects he got these ideas from his
answers in the _ter'angreal._
5.24 He asked no question that Rhuidean was an answer to.
c. What we know of Moiraine's answers
5.25 She and for that matter no one asked questions
touching the Dragon Reborn or the Shadow.
5.26 One of her answer must have been that she would see
Thom again because she cannot Foretell.
5.27 Another of her answers must have been that she go
through the rings in Rhuidean because she says after the
Wise Ones slip that they had dreamed it that the "Old
Tongue is often difficult to translate." Clearly she was
refering to her experiance in the _ter'angreal_ because
the Aelfinn use a rather harsh dialect of the Old Tongue
for their dealings with men.
5.28 If Moiraine was to have brought up going, she must
have had it for an answer in Rhuidean. No one not of Aiel
blood is normally allowed into Rhuidean.
6. Ter'angreal used by the Wise Ones in Rhuidean.
i. Aviendha.
6.01 Aviendha must have seen Rand in her future. Andrea
Leistra speculated that "she is so concerned with keeping
Rand faithful to Elayne that she is upset if even *she*
makes him break that. Also, consider that she still
considers herself a Maiden of the Spear and isn't very
happy with the whole concept of marraige as it pertains to
her."
6.02 more evidense to support 6.01.
6.03 ditto.
6.04 ditto.
ii. Moiraine.
6.05 Something or someone might come between her and
seeing that Rand is ready to face the Last Battle. Perhaps
even herself if she really thought she would die and she
was not willing to give up her life for the world
(understandable). Some she knew already? Is that from the
rings in Tar Valon? Don't get excited, I still don't
believe that that ter'angreal is predictive. After all,
how could that maze world that Nynaeve faced Aginor in be
a world?
6.06 Moiraine knew that the Dragons of Rhuidean could be
duplicated. Possibly from this ter'angeal.
6.07 In one alternative, she might have considered
sleeping with Rand or actually have done it in the future
because of her increasing desperation.
6.08 Explains how she knew that news would come of
Morgase and that they would go out to the docks and from
there it could branch three ways. She doesn't know what
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happens in the world after she entered the _ter'angreal,_
which means that either she thinks she will die or that
the other _ter'angreal_ simply did not continue from
there. I think that the only event that she knows that
will happen in the world after is that Lan will be passed
from Myrelle to Nynaeve-though even there I am uncertain
that that is what she is refering to. She never mentions
that she is dead or that she would die. Thus, I find it
unlikely that she actually thinks that she would cease to
exist. Rather, I think she simply doesn't know. She knows
that she will see Thom again because of the answer she had
from the Aelfinn. I believe that the _ter'angreal_ in
Rhuidean simply didn't continue to present alternatives
from the point where she fell into the Eelfinn
_ter'angreal_ gateway. Whatever the case, I'm sure that
she was afraid that events wouldn't play out as she wanted
them to.
7. Eelfinn.
7.01 Mat's memory was restored. He received the fox head
amulet to be free of the Power and he was hung from
Avendesora and killed to cease his link with the Horn of
Valere (maybe). He was allowed to leave the land of the
Eelfinn.
7.02 ? A written agreement that their bargain will be
fulfilled on both sides.
Index
1.01 <EOW, Prologue, Dragonmount, xv>
1.02 <EOW, Prologue, Dragonmount, xv> <TGH, Chapter 50,
After, p577>
1.03 <TDR, Chapter 56, People of the Dragon, p675>
1.04 <TSR, Chapter 58, The Traps of Rhuidean, p681>
2.01 <EOW, Chapter 13, pp158-159>
2.02 <TGH, Chapter 5, The Shadow in Shienar, p56>
2.03 <TGH, Chapter 26, Discord, p387> <TSR, Chapter 9,
Decisions, p180>
2.04 <TGH, Chapter 26, Discord, p387>
2.05 <TGH, Chapter 8, The Dragon Reborn, p110>
2.06 <TGH, Chapter 22, Watchers, p275>
2.07 <TDR, Chapter 6, The Hunt Begins, p57>
2.08 <TSR, Chapter 3, Reflection, p71>
2.09 <TSR, Chapter 6, Doorways, p131>
2.10 <TSR, Chapter 21, Into the Heart, p239>
2.11 <TSR, Chapter 21, Into the Heart, p244>
2.12 <TGH, ix>
2.13 <TGH, Chapter 22, Watchers, p275>
2.14 <TDR, ix>
2.15 <TSR, p9>
2.16 <FOH, p9>
2.17 <TSR, Chapter 19, The Wavedancer, pp220-221>
2.18 <TGH, Chapter 28, A New Thread In The Pattern, p346>
2.19 <TGH, Chapter 28, A New Thread In The Pattern, p347>
2.20 <TSR, Chapter 3, Reflection, p74>
2.21 <TSR, Chapter 25, The Road To The Spear, p286>
2.22 <TSR, Chapter 34, He Who Comes With The Dawn, p394>
2.23 <TSR, Chapter 57, A Breaking in the Three-fold Land,
p665>
2.24 <TGH, Chapter 7, Blood Calls Blood, p89>
2.25 <EOW, Chapter 26, Whitebridge, p389>
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<note 17 of 18>
2.26 <TGH, Chapter 7, Blood Calls Blood, pp90-92>
2.27 <EOW, Chapter 53, The Wheel Turns, p655>
2.28 <TGH, Chapter 5, The Shadow in Shienar, p55>
2.29 <TGH, Chapter 47, The Grave Is No Bar To My Call,
p560>
3.01 <EOW, Chapter 40, The Web Tightens, p514>
3.02 <TSR, Chapter 1, Seeds of Shadow, p29>
3.03 <TSR, Chapter 26, The Dedicated, pp300-301>
3.04 <TGH, Chapter 8, The Dragon Reborn, p109>
3.05 <TSR, Chapter 34, He Who Comes With The Dawn, p392>
4.01 <TGH, Chapter 12, Woven in the Pattern, p180>
4.02 <TDR, Chapter 25, Questions, pp233-234>
4.03 <TDR, Chapter 37, Fires in Cairhien, pp352-353>
4.04 <TDR, Chapter 48, Following the Craft, pp468-469>
4.05 <TSR, Chapter 11, What Lies Hidden, p145>
4.06 <FOH, Chapter 15, What Can Be Learned In Dreams,
p214>
4.07 <TDR, Chapter 43, Shadowbrothers, pp425-426>
4.08 <TSR, Chapter 28, To the Tower of Ghenjei, pp320-321>
4.09 <TSR, Chapter 53, The Price of a Departure, p612>
4.10 <TSR, Chapter 12, Tanchico or the Tower, p158>
4.11 <TSR, Chapter 21, Into the Heart, p237>
4.12 <TSR, Chapter 22, Out of the Stone, p254>
4.13 <TSR, Chapter 23, Beyond the Stone, p259>
4.14 <TSR, Chapter 23, Beyond the Stone, p260>
4.15 <TSR, Chapter 23, Beyond the Stone, p264>
4.16 <TSR, Chapter 23, Beyond the Stone, p270>
4.17 <TSR, Chapter 50, Traps, p570>
4.18 <FOH, Chapter 53, Fading Words, p635>
4.19 <TSR, Chapter 25, The Road to the Spear, p290>
4.20 <TSR, Chapter 26, The Dedicated, p295>
4.21 <EOW, Chapter 9, Tellings of the Wheel, pp100-104>
4.22 <EOW, Chapter 14, The Stag and Lion, pp168-172>
4.23 <EOW, Chapter 19, Shadow's Waiting, pp245-246(p291
pb)>
4.24 <EOW, Chapter 24, Flight Down the Arinelle,
pp293-296>
4.25 <EOW, Chapter 34, The Last Village, pp442-443>
4.26 <EOW, Chapter 40, The Web Tightens, p498>
4.27 <EOW, Chapter 43, Decisions and Apparitions,
pp549-551>
4.28 <TSR, Chapter 2, Whirlpools in the Pattern, pp53-54>
4.29 <TSR, Chapter 50, Traps, pp571-572>
4.30 <FOH, Chapter 4, Twilight, p95>
4.31 <FOH, Chapter 6, Gateways, p112>
4.32 <FOH, Chapter 21, The Gift of a Blade, p278>
4.33 <FOH, Chapter 22, Birdcalls by Night, p288>
5.01 <EOW, Chapter 17, Watchers and Hunters, pp181-182
((pb)pp215-216)>
5.02 <TGH, Chapter 24, New Friends and Old Enemies, p305>
5.03 <TGH, Chapter 38, Practice, p462>
5.04 <TGH, Chapter 39, Flight From the White Tower, p472>
5.05 <TGH, Chapter 42, Falme, p506>
5.06 <TGH, Chapter 43, A Plan, p511>
5.07 <TGH, Chapter 48, First Claiming, p568>
5.08 <TDR, Chapter 6, The Hunt Begins, pp62-63>
5.09 <TSR, Chapter 1, Seeds of Shadow, pp16-26>
5.10 <TSR, Chapter 17, Deceptions, p198>
5.11 <TSR, Chapter 47, The Truth of a Viewing, p544>
5.12 <FOH, Chapter 26, Sallie Daera, pp317-320>
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<note 18 of 18>
5.13 <FOH, Chapter 27, Trapped, p343>
5.14 <FOH, Chapter 50, To Teach and Learn, p592>
5.15 <FOH, Chapter 50, To Teach and Learn, p598>
5.16 <FOH, Chapter 50, To Teach, and Learn, pp598-599>
5.17 <TSR, Chapter 15, Into the Doorway, pp176-177>
5.18 <TSR, Chapter 8, Hard Heads, p117>
5.19 <TSR, Chapter 21, Into the Heart, p241>
5.20 <TSR, Chapter 21, Into the Heart, p241>
5.21 <TSR, Chapter 21, Into the Heart, p244>
5.22 <TSR, Chapter 21, Into the Heart, p245>
5.23 <TSR, Chapter 21, Into the Heart, p245>
5.24 <TSR, Chapter 24, Rhuidean, p274>
5.25 <TSR, Chapter 6, Doorways, p95>
5.26 <TSR, Chapter 17, Deceptions, p195>
5.27 <TSR, Chapter 23, Beyond the Stone, p270>
5.28 <TSR, Chapter 23, Beyond the Stone, p271>
6.01 <TSR, Chapter 34, He Who Comes With the Dawn, p395>
6.02 <TSR, Chapter 35, Sharp Lessons, p403>
6.03 <TSR, Chapter 48, An Offer Refused, p 547>
6.04 <FOH, Chapter 7, A Departure, p132>
6.05 <TSR, Chapter 35, Sharp Lessons, p404>
6.06 <TSR, Chapter 49, Cold Rocks Hold, p565>
6.07 <FOH, Chapter 7, A Departure, p135>
6.08 <FOH, Chapter 53, Fading Words, pp637-638>
7.01 <TSR, Chapter 24, Rhuidean, p281-282>
7.02 <TSR, Chapter 25, The Dedicated, p307>
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A TRAVELER'S GUIDE TO INNS
Often in traveling it is cumbersome to find a
comfortable inn. Most people make their decisions
on availability, appearance, and price. However, it
is not always assured that there will be good service,
good food, good entertainment, or comfort without the
inn having been recommended beforehand. In order to
make your trip a safe and comfortable one, we have
made a Traveler's Guide to Inns in which each inn is
rated in service and comfort for your convenience.
Where available, information on the Innkeeper, Serving
Women/Men and on Entertainment are included. Even
information on the location, other than the city it
is located in, is included when the information was
given to us. We hope you enjoy our Guide and have
a pleasurable trip on every excursion.
note: the prices of a stay are not listed
BAERLON-
Stag and Lion- The atmosphere is appealing. On the
walls are colorful pictures of ornate buildings with
gardens of tall trees and bright flowers are painted
on the walls. Instead of one huge fireplace, a hearth
blazes on each wall, and scores of tables fill the
floor of the room. There has been news that the Inn
burned down in an unfortunate incident with the Children
of the Light. These are, so far, only rumors. The
Inn is highly recommended for excellent service and
cleanliness. R: * * * * 1/2
Innkeeper-Master Fitch
Cook-Sara, cook helper-Ciel
Serving Women-Mari, Ara, and Linda
Stableman-Mutch
Cat-Carri
CAEMLYN-
The Queen's Blessing- The Queen's Blessing is highly
recommended, several of our reports have positively
raved over it. The Inn's sign is of a man kneeling
before a woman with red-gold hair and a crown, one
of her hands is resting on his bowed head. The inn
has a hired man and has a certain strange freedom from
rodents. R: * * * * *
Innkeeper-Basil Gill, fat, pink-faced with a starched
white apron, graying hair combed back over a bald spot
that it does not quite cover
Cook-Coline
Hired Man-Lamgwin
The Crown and Lion- No information.
CAIRHEIN-
Defender of the Dragonwall- The sign has a crowned
man with his foot on another man's chest and his sword
at the man's throat. The fellow on his back has red
hair. The common room is neat, with tables laid out
as strictly as the city. R: * * * 1/2
Innkeeper-Caule, plump, unctuous man with a single
stripe of green across his dark gray coat.
The Bunch of Grapes-
Innkeeper-Zera
Serving women-Ella
The Great Tree
Innkeeper-Tiedra
EMOND'S FIELD-
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The Winespring Inn- The cook here serves some of the
best Two Rivers food. The service is relatively slow,
but it's atmosphere would not be enjoyed as much if
it was taken at any faster a pace.
R: * * * *
Innkeeper-(also mayor of the town) Branwin al'Vere
FOUR KINGS-
The Dancing Cartman- We've had several bad reports
on this inn, it is not the only one in the town and
we recommend avoiding it. The Inn is yellow trimmed
in bright red and bilious, eye-wrenching green. Here
and there the pain is cracked and peeling. Dirt crusts
the floor and cobwebs fill the corners of the ceiling.
R: *
Innkeeper-Saml Hake, a bony man with long, stringy
hair to his shoulders
Hired Men-Jak and Stum
Entertainment-a man plays the dulcimer
ILLIAN-
Easing the Badger- The inn is located past The Bridge
of Flowers in the Perfumed Quarter of the city. The
sign has a white-striped badger dancing on its hind
legs with a man carrying what seems to be a silver
shovel. The common room has sawdust on the floor,
and tabac smoke filles the air. It also smells of
wine, and fish cooking in the kitchen, and a heavy,
flowered perfume. The exposed beams of the high ceiling
are rough-hewn and age-dark. The beds are wide, and
mattresses soft. The doors to the rooms are made of
tilted slats, there are pegs for hanging things. The
inn serves a nearly round white fish with red stripes
(Red-stripe). R: * * * * 1/2
Innkeeper-Mistress Nieda
Hired Man-Bili
Entertainment-singer
JARRA-
Harilin's Leap- The sign is of a man standing on one
foot with his arms thrown in the air. They offer food,
rooms, and baths. The inn smells of ale and wine,
and cheese, and the aroma of roasting mutton. R:
* * *
Inkeeper-Master Harod, wears a long white apron
Helpers-Simion (brother, Noam, was a wolfbrother-went
mad), Nico, and Patrim
MARKET SHERAN-
This inn is cleanly kept and is the only one in Market
Sheran to our knowledge. It is located in a small
town and is comfortably quiet. R: * * 1/2
Innkeeper-Rulan Allwine, stout, with a gleaming white
apron
The Queen's Man-(actually located in a town between
Market Sheran and Carysford) The inn here is small.
However the town has a Mother Brune (Wisdom). We found
the innkeeper very helpful. R: * * 1/2
Innkeeper-Good Master Inlow
Mother-Brune
REMEN-
Wayman's Forge-The sign is of a man in a leather apron
with a hammer painted on the sign. It is near to the
river Manetherendrelle where it is too wide for a bridge.
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It is a large, purple-roofed, three-story building
of squared and polished gray stones, with large windows
and scroll-carved doors, and it has a prosperous look.
The kitchen has mutton, lamb, chicken, beef, as well
as assorted vegetables and a spicy cake. There are
pegs on the walls of the rooms for hanging, and the
beds are narrow with lumpy mattresses. The inn contains
an Ogier bed that is made of sung wood well over three
thousand years old. R: * * * 1/2
Innkeeper-Gainor Furlan, plump, bald-headed, with shining
brown eyes in a smooth pink face, likes to gossip
Stablemen
Mother-Leich
TAR VALON-
The Woman of Tanchico-
Serving Women-Mada and Saol (sisters)
TEAR-
The White Crescent-no information
Innkeeper-Cavan Lopar-landlord whose girth makes his
long blue coat fit snugly below the waist as well as
above. Baggy breeches, tied at the ankle above low
shoes, are big enough for two ordinary men to fit inside,
one in each leg. R: * * 1/2
Serving Women-wear dark, high-necked dresses and short
white aprons.
Entertainment-fellow plays a hammered dulcimer.
The Star- The Star is located between a weaver's shop
and a smithy of undressed gray stone. Both the weaver's
shop and the inn are made of wood. The Star is four
stories tall and has small windows in its roof as well.
Because of the constant noise of the smithy and the
business from the weaver's shop, our informants did
not have an enjoyable stay. It is however noted that
The Star should be considered one of the nicer inns
at Tear. R: * * * 1/2
Innkeeper-Jurah Haret
The Golden Cup- No information.
TREMONSIEN-
The Nine Rings- The food here is excellent and there
is a specially designed room for Ogier. One specialty
of the house is the pork that is cut into small bits,
mixed with long strips of yellow peppers, and peas,
and a number of vegetables all in a clear thick sauce.
Most of the food is oddly spiced in the Cairheinin
fashion, sweet and sour. The Inn is made of stone.
R: * * * * 1/2
Innkeeper-Maglin Madwen, once married to Barin Madwen.
She is a Lugard, lean with a long nose and graying
hair. Her wrinkles are part of a ready smile.
Serving Women-Catrine and Lidan
Mother (also called Wise Woman , Reader, or Wisdom
in some parts)-Caredwain
WATCH HILL-
The White Boar- famous for its hot mutton pie and
excellent service, though smaller than the big city
inns.
R: * * *
WHITEBRIDGE-
The Wayfairer's Rest- The commons has a shoulder high
wall splitting the room in two from the front to the
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back, with tables and a blazing fire place on each
side. The bare tables were not too clean and the floor
had not been swept in days if not weeks. The sign
has a striding man with a bundle on his back on one
side and the small man with his head on a pillow on
the other. Because of the recent Civil War in Cairhein,
the prices of a night were unbelievable and very few
rooms, if any, were left at the time. R: * * *
Innkeeper-Bartim
EOW: songs
"My love is gone, carried away
by the wind that shakes the willow,
and all the land is beaten hard
by the wind that shakes the willow.
But I will hold her close to me
in heart and dearest memory,
and with her strength to steel my soul,
her love to warm my heart-strings,
I will stand where we once sang,
though cold wind shakes the willow."
p243 EOW
"Forward the Lion,
Forward the Lion,
The White Lion takes the field.
Roar defiance at the Shadow.
Forward the Lion,
Forward, Andor triumphant." p587 EOW
TGH:
"Soon comes the day all shall be free,
Even you, and even me.
Soon comes the day all shall die,
Surely you, but never I." p36 TGH
"We rode down to River Iralell
just to see the Taren come.
We stood along the river bank
with the rising of the sun.
Their horses blacked the summer plain,
their banners blacked the sky.
But we stood our ground on the banks of River Iralell.
Oh, we stood our ground.
Yes, we stood our ground.
Stood our ground along the river in the morning."
p261 TGH
"Clear the field, smooth it low.
Let no weed or stubble stand.
Here we labor, here we toil,
here the towering trees will grow."
p425 TGH
TDR:
"I'm down at the bottom of the well.
It's night, and the rain is coming down.
The sides are falling in,
and there's no rope to climb.
I'm down at the bottom of the well."
p172 TDR
"I'll dance with a girl with eyes of brown,
or a girl with eyes of green,
I'll dance with a girl with any color eyes,
but yours are the prettiest I've seen.
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I'll kiss a girl with hair of black,
or a girl with hair of gold,
I'll kiss a girl with any color hair,
but it's you I want to hold." p282 TDR
"A Lugard girl, she came to town, to see what she could
see.
With a wink of her eye, and a smile on her lip,
she snagged a boy or three, or three.
With on ankle slim, and skin so pale,
she caught the owner of a ship, a ship.
With a soft little sigh, and a gay little laugh,
she made her way so free, so free."
p412 TDR
NATIONS
by: Jeremy Rowland/Rhuarc, ex-Tamyrlin of WoT.
Andor-[Rampant white lion on a field of red] Ruler: Queen
Morgase ("Lion Throne"), Capital City: Caemlyn.
Arafel-[Three white roses on a field of red, quartered
with three red roses on a field of white] A Borderland
nation.
Arad Doman-On Aryth Ocean, claim descent from those who
made the Tree of Life in the Age of Legends.
Cairhien-[Many-rayed golden sun rising from the bottom of
a field of sky blue] Ruler: King Galldrian (assassinated
998 NE) ("Sun Throne")
Amadica-Capital City: Amader, location of the Fortress
of Light, ruled by a King.
Illian-Capital city: Illian, on Sea of Storms,
historically connected with the Hunt for the Horn.
(Current Hunt for the Horn began 998 NE).
Mayene-[Golden Hawk in flight] City-state on Sea of
Storms, Ruler: Berelain, First of Mayene.
Tear-(High Lord Sammon (Be'lal) recently most respected of
the nine High Lords) [Thre white crescent moons slanting
across a field half red, half gold] Ruler(s): High Lords
of Tear. _Forbids Channeling._
Tarabon-Call themselves the Tree of Man, claim to be
descended from rulers and nobles in the Age of Legends.
Saldea-[Three silver fish on a field of dark blue] Capital
City: Maradon, a Borderland Nation.
Kandor-[Rearing horse on a field of pale green] A
Borderland Nation.
Shienar-[Stooping black hawk] Ruler: King Easar, a
Borderland Nation.
Seanchan-Capital City: Seandar, Ruler: Empress (across
Aryth Ocean).
Almoth Plain-[Blue for the sky above, black for the earth
below, with the spreading Tree of Life to join them]
Formerly nation of Almoth.
Malkier-[Golden crane in flight] Once a Borderland nation
now taken by Blight, Ruler: al'Akir Mandragoran, his
Queen: el'Leanna. Al'Lan Mandragoran is the Uncrowned
Heir.
Carallain-One of the nations wrung from Artur Hawkwing's
empire during the War of the Hundred years, weakened
thereafter and the last traces vanished about 500 NE.
Goaban-ditto.
Haradon-ditto. between Cairhien and Shienar.
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EOW, TIMELINE/SUMMARY
by: Erika Ashford/Elayne Trakand
Day 1:
QUARRY RD.-Tam and Rand take brandy to Emond's Field for
use during Bel Tine. Rand sees Dark Rider (Fade).
EMOND'S FIELBD-(Winespring Inn) Rand learns of Mat's
encounter with the Dark Rider. Rand and Mat meet Moiraine.
She gives them the silver coins. Padan Fain arrives with
news of war, the false Dragon in Ghealdan and Aes Sedai.
Rand, Mat, Perrin and Egwene meet Thom Merrilin, the
Gleeman.
QUARRY RD.-Tam tells Rand of the other boys' encounters
with the Dark Rider.
(winternight)
AL'THOR FARM-Tam fights the Trollocs and is hurt. Rand
kills a Trolloc with Tam's sword.
QUARRY RD.-(Carrying Tam on litter he made) Rand sees the
Dark Rider and the Trollocs. Tam has "fever dreams."
Day 2:
EMOND'S FIELD-Trollcos have attacked the village. Nyneave
can't help Tam. Rand goes to Moiraine Sedai for help. She
heals Tam. Rand tells Tam the Trollocs were after him and
they say their good-byes. Moiraine tells villagers history
of Manetheren. After agreeing to add Egwene and Thom to
their numbers, Moiraine, Lan, Rand, Mat, Perrin, Egwene,
and Thom head toward Tar VAlon. Rand spots a Draghkar.
THE NORTH RD.-Present goal is to reach the town of Taren
Ferry before the Myrddraal. Rand channels for the first
time (that we know of) to strngthen Bela.
WATCH HILL-Draghkar "shows itself" and the group races on
shrouded in Aes Sedai-made fog.
TAREN FERRY-Master Hightower takes them across River Taren
on the ferry. Moiraine sinks the ferry. Seek refuge in
cave of trees. Moiraine guides Egwene through first
touching of True Source.
Day 3-8:
BAERLON RD:-Lan schools boys daily on how to use their
weapons. Gleeman gives nightly lessons on art of
storytelling and juggling. Egwene has private nightly
lessons with Moiraine.
BAERLON-(The Stag & Lion) Rand talks with Ba'alzamon in
his dreams. Rand, Perrin, and Mat have the same dream.
Day 9:
BAERLON-Rand meets Min. Tells him what she "sees" about
each person in group. Rand finds Padan Fain alive in the
city. Rand confronts Whitecloaks (Bornhald). Mat and Rand
tell Thom of their dreams. Nynaeve arrives. Group (except
Lan) dances in common room. Fade speaks to Rand.
CAEMLYN GATE-Moiraine uses her staff on Whitecloaks and
grows giant-sized.
CAEMLYN RD.-An hour down the road, they see inn burning.
Day 10-12:
CAEMLYN RD.-Third day after leaving Baerlon, they hear
Trollocs to East and West. Head north toward Maradon and
the Arinelle River. Fight fist of Trollocs. Lan cuts
Fade's head off, which kills remaining Trollocs. Moiraine
causes earthquake, makes wall of fire and diverts their
scents and tracks to another direction.
SHADAR LOGOTH-Boys meet Mordeth. Moirane tells them of
Mordeth. Trollocs and Myddraal inside city. Group
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seperates from Moiraine and Lan by Mashadar. Rest of them
scattered by Trollocs. Perrin swims safely across river.
Thom, Rand, and Mat board the Spray, captained and owned
by Bayle Domon. Rand and Mat give Domon their Tar Valon
coins. Floran Gelb, watchman blamed for Trolloc raid,
hates them.
Day 13:
RIVER ARINELLE-Nynaeve heads down river afoot. Eaves drops
on Moiraine and Lan. Moiraine senses her presence and
convinces her she is an unknowing wielder of the One
Power. They head South toward Whitebridge and the two
boys. Perrin finds Egwene and decides to head straight
across to Caemlyn, through the forest.
Day 16:
BRAEM WOOD-Perrin and Egwene meet Elyas Machera,
Wolfbrother. Elyas and Dapple, leader of wolf pack, decide
to take them South toward Caemlyn.
RIVER ARINELLE-Rand finds real blood on his fingertip from
pick of a thorn in his dream of Ba'alzamon. Rand hcannels
again (?) when atop the mast. Thom fears mutiny. Rand sees
Mat's ruby dagger.
Day 19:
BRAEM WOOD-Perrin realizes he can understand the wolves.
They take camp with Tinkers. Meet Raen, Mahdi or Seeker of
the band, his wife Ila and grandson Aram, who courts
Egwene. Raen tells them story of Aiel woman and what she
says of He Who Come With The Dawn.
WHITEBRIDGE-Stop at Wayfarer's Rest. Bartim/Innkeeper says
crazy man and Fade have asked about them. Over hear Gelb
saying they're Darkfriends and they leave. When Fade meets
them, Thom tells boys to run and he stays to fight, where
he is supposedly killed.
FROM THIS POINT ON, EXACT DAYS ARE NO LONGER DISCERNABLE
BRAEM WOOD-Perrin dreams of Ba'alzamon and wakes to find
wolves have shared his dream. They leave Tinker camp.
WHITEBRIDGE-Moirane senses the two boys were in the inn
and left afraid. They go after the boy who still has his
token, namely Perrin.
BRAEM WOOD-Elyas, Perrin, and Egwene escape the raves into
a stedding. The wolves have been hurt.
STEEDDING-Wolves warn that men come. Hopper dies trying to
save Perrin. They are captured by Whitecloaks. Lord
Captain Geofram Bornhald and Child Byar question them.
CAEMLYN RD.-Rand and Mat stay at various farms, lastly
Grinwell Farm. Begin to perform for their stay in inns.
FOUR KINGS-Rand and Mat stay at The Dancing Cartman. Saml
Hake (The innkeeper), Jak, and Strom mean to rob them.
Howel Gode, Whitebridge merchand and Darkfriend, and his
minions try to attack. Randbrings down lightning. Mat is
blinded. Rand and Mat escape throughthe lightning induced
opening.
CAEMLYN RD.-Rand and mat ride in Hyam Kinch/Farmer's cart.
Rand sees Gode (dead) and Ba'alzamon in his dream ("I mark
you as mine!"). Albert Mull/Farmer gives them a ride.
MARKET SHERAN-Stay at village inn, Rulan Allwine the
Innkeeper. See a Darkfriend (Paitr) and must flee.
INN'S STABLE-Rand is sick with fear (perhaps a result of
touching the True Source with the lightning?). Darkfriend
woman tries to kill them. She says Myrddraal are coming.
Mat locks her in room.
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CAEMLYN RD.-(Hyam Kinch-p.430) Spend night on a
haystack. Walk with travelers gong to see false Dragon.
CROWN AND GOOSE INN-See Raimun Holdwin/Inkeeper and Fade
talking. Catch a ride with Almen Bunt/Farmer.
CAEMLYN-(Queen's Blessing Inn) Meet Basil Gill, Innkeeper
and Thom's friend. Rand meets Loial, tells him everything
except his dreams. Rand has his heron sword wrapped in red.
BRAEM WOOD-Moiraine, Lan, and Nynaeve find Perrin and
Egwene with the Whitecloaks. They escape.
CAEMLYN-Rand sees Logain. Falls into Palace garden. Meets
Elayne and Gawyn. Tallanvor takes all three to face Queen
Morgase, which also brings an encounter with Elaida, where
Elaida has the Foretelling over Rand. Master Gill faces
Whitecloaks. The original group (except Thom) is reunited.
Moiriane temporarly cleanses the taint from Mat caused by
the dagger. Rand tells Moiraine of their dreams. Moiraine
decides they must go to the Eye oof the World located in
the Blight. That night boys dream of Ba'alzamon and the
three clay figures. Loial leads the group to a Waygate.
THE WAYS-Close to the exit to the Borderlands, they
hear/feel Machin Shin "The blood so red, so red the
drops...". Moiraine burns a hole in the Waygate and repels
the Black Wind while they escape.
FAL DARA-Group meets Ingtar and Lord Agelmar. Moiraine
tells Agelmar of their plans. Padan Fain arrives. Agelmar
tells Lan's history. Moiraine returns from private talk
with Fain and tells them Fain's story.
THE BLIGHT-It is still Spring. Nynaeve approaches Lan. He
tells her that "he will love the man that loves you, and
curse him because he is n ot me." They are attacked by
trees and deformed beings. The Worms come.
GREEN MAN's PLACE-The Green Man takes them to the Eye of
the World. The Green Man and Balthemal exchange mortal
words. The group runs, leaving Moiraine the impossible
task of fighting Aginor. Rand takes the white cord from
Aginor and the flames consume him. Rand is teleported to
the battle taking place at the Gap, and defeates the Dark
One's Army, giving the Light a victory. The Creater (?)
speaks to Rand. The Dark One confronts Rand, and Rand
frees Kari al'Thor's soul from the Father of Lies. Rand
and Ba'alzamon battle, and Rand severs the black cord
behind Ba'alzamon and the flames consume him. Rand is
re-teleported to the Blight, where Moiraine, Lan, Nynaeve,
and Egwene now know Rand can channel. There are three
things brought from the Eye: One of the seven seals made
of heartsonte on the Dark One's prison, the Horn of Valere
and the Dragon's banner. Loial sings his Treesong so the
Blight will not have Treebrother (The Green Man).
GAL DARA-Moiranie shows Agelmar the Horn of Valere and
asks him to see that it's taken to Illian. Moiraine, using
the stone, overhears Rand telling Egwene he must go away,
but "not ever home."
"The Dragon is Reborn."
A LIST OF HERBS AND CURES FOR THE WISE WOMAN
stomach-chainleaf (tea), bluewort (tea), marshwhite
leaves (tea)-as well as chainleaf with a bite to the
taste, longer it sits, the more it grows bitter.
fatigue-flatwort tea andilay root.
ease birthing-apply warm towels and perhaps give her
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a little white fennel if it was an especially hard
birth
heartattack-powdered gheandin blossom on the tongue
broken limb-after you give him the boneknit, you wrap
the broken lumb in toweling soaked in water where you've
boiled bluegoat flowers as hot as he can stand it.
One part bluegoat flowers to ten of water. No weaker.
Replace the towels as soon as they stop steaming and
keep it up all day, knits twice as fast as boneknit
alone.
NAMES OF SONGS FROM THE THIRD AGE
"Only One Bucket of Water"
"Wild Geese on the Wing"
"Three Girls in the Meadow"-also (Tinkers) "Pretty
Maids Dancing"
"Coming Home From Tarwin's Gap"
"Mistress Aynora's Rooster"
"The Old Black Bear"
"Ferry O'er the River"-also "Darling Sara"
"The Road to Dun Aren"
"The Wind From the North"-also (Tinkers) "Hard Rain
Falling"
"Berin's Retreat"
The Tinker Has My Pots"-also (Tinkers) "Toss the Feathers"
REMENANTS FROM THE AGE OF LEGENDS
Whitebridge-tendays north on the Arinelle, there is
a metal tower
R. Arinelle-cut in high bluffs, half a mile ling, is
a Royal procession.
Tremalking -a stone hand fifty feet high sticking out
of a hill, clutching a crystal sphere as big as the
a boat. Verin mentioned the stone sa'angreal as being
the second in a pair. The other is in Cairhien and
only works with saidin.
Tanchico -there is a port on the Aryth Ocean which
is connected to part of the Panarch's Palace. Bones
of animals no man living has ever seen before all fastened
together like the animal originally was.
Sand Hills-Near the Two Riverrs-Bones found of part
of a fish as big as a boat.
etc
crystal lattice-covers an island, it hums when the
moon is up.
hallowed mountain-hallowed into a bowl, in its center,
a silver spike a hundred spans high, anyone who comes
within a mile of it dies.
light sticks, razor lace, heartstone
NAMES OF TALES OF THE THIRD AGE
"Aptarigine Cycle"
"Tales of Artur Paendrag Tanreall-Artur Hawkwing-Artur
the High King, who once ruled all the lands from the
Aiel Waste to the Aryth Ocean, and even beyond."
"The Thousand Tales of Anla, the Wise Counselor"
"Jaem the Giant-Slayer"
"How Susa Tamed Jain Farstrider"
"Mara and the Three Foolish Kings"
Lenn-how he flew to the moon in the belly of an eagle
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made of fire.
Salys-Lenn's daughter, walks among the stars
(Ages when men ruled the heavans and the Stars, and
Ages when Man roamed as brother to the animals...Ages
ending by fire raining from the skies, and Ages doomed
by snow and ice covering land and sea...)
"Tales of Mosk the Giant, with his Lance of Fire that
could reach
around the world, and his wars with Alsbet, the Queen
of All"
"Tales of Materese the Healer, Mother of the Wondrous
Ind"
"The Siege of the Pillars of the Sky"
"How Goodwife Karil Cured Her Husband of Snoring"
"King Darith and the Fall of the House of..."
"Lian's Stand"
"The Fall of Aleth-Loriel"
"Gaidal Can's Sword"
"The Last Ride of Buad of Albhain"
TER'ANGREAL (stolen by the Black Ajah)
Rod -clear crystal, smooth and perfectly clear,
one foot long and one inch in diameter. Use unknown.
Last study made by Corianin Nedeal.
Figurine-a figurine of an unclothed woman in a labaster,
one hand tall. Use unknown. Last study made by Corianin
Nedeal.
Disc -apparently of simple iron yet untouched by
rust, three inches in diameter, finely engraved on
both sides with a tight spiral. Use unknown. Last
study made by Corianin Nedeal.
Hedgehog-wooden carving, no bigger than the last joint
of a man's thumb. Any woman who tried to channel through
it went to sleep. Half a day of peaceful, dreamless
sleep.
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THE OLD TONGUE
by: Andrea Leistra/Aviendha
A'vron watchers 328 TGH
Aan'allein Man who is an entire people 264 TSR
Aes Sedai servant of all 270 TSR
Aethan Dor Red Shield 541 TDR
Aiel Dedicated 270 TSR
Al son of 110 EOW
Al'cair golden *** ***
Al'Cair Dal Golden Bowl 391 TSR
Al'cair'rahienallen Hill of the Golden Dawn 464 EOW
Alantin Brother 259 TGH
Aldezar eagle 252 TSR
Aldieb Westwind 147 EOW
algai'd'siswai 525 FOH
algode cotton 65 FOH
Atha'an People (as in THE People) *** TSR
Atha'an Miere Sea Folk xviiTDR
Avendesora Tree of Life 73 EOW
Avendoraldera Sapling of the Tree of Life 73 EOW
a'vron watchers *** ***
Ay daughter of 110 EOW
caba'donde horse *** ***
caba'drin horsemen *** ***
Cabellien misain ye Release me 164 TDR
Cadin'sor working clothes 151 TSR
Caldazar Red Eagle 228 EOW
calichniye welcome *** ***
Callandor Sword that Cannot be Touched 388 TGH
Car'a'carn Chief of Chiefs 386 TSR
Carai honor (for the honor of) 228 EOW
Chalinda sweet girl 43 FOH
Cor Darei Night Spear 647 FOH
Coreene Return, The 416 TGH
cuebiyar forward *** ***
Cuendillar heartstone 647 EOW
Da'shain --- 293 TSR
Daes Dae'mar Great Game, The 317 TGH
Dai Shan Diademed Battle Lord 583 EOW
Damane Leashed One 566 TGH
dareis spear *** ***
din brothers *** ***
domashita warms *** ***
Do Miere A'vron Watchers over the Waves 107 TGH
doon eyes *** ***
Dovie'andi se tovya
sagain It's time to roll the dice 641 FOH
Dovienya Luck 661 TSR
drin men *** ***
Duadhe water 252 TSR
Duadhe Mahdi'in Water Seekers 252 TSR
Ellisande Rose of the Sun 228 EOW
Faile falcon 337 TDR
Far Aldazar Din Brothers of the Eagle 252 TSR
Far Dareis Mai Maidens of the Spear 315 EOW
Gai'shain Those sworn topeace in battle 268
TSR
Gaidin Brother to Battles ?gl TGH
Hailene Forerunners 416 TGH
Hama N'dore Mountain Dancers gls FOH
Hei always *** TSR
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<note 2 of 11>
Inde muaghdhe misain
Aes Sedai ye I am no Aes Sedai meat 164 TDR
isha betrayer *** ***
Ishamael Betrayer of Hope x EOW
Jeade'en True Finder 248 TSR
Jenn Only true... 270 TSR
Ji honor 268 TSR
Ji'e'toh Honor and duty 268 TSR
Kardon *** 563 TSR
Kiserai ti Wansho Glory to the Builders 583 EOW
Kodome calichniye
ga ni...hei Here is always a welcome for. 585 EOW
Lanfear Daughter of the Night 105 TGH
Los caba'drin horsemen forward 490 FOH
Los Valdar
Cuebiyari Forward the Heart Guard 164 TDR
Ma'vron Watchers (important) 328 TGH
machin black *** ***
Machin Shin Black Wind 545 EOW
mael hope *** ***
Mafal Dadaranell Fal Dara 542 EOW
Mahdi Seeker 310 EOW
mai maidens *** ***
Mandarb blade 146 EOW
manatheren Mountain Home 110 EOW
Manetherendrelle Waters of the Mountain Home 110 EOW
Marath'damane Those who Must be Leashed 568 TGH
Mashiara Lost beloved of heart andsoul 135 TGH
Mia ayende I am a free man 164 TDR
Mia dovienya
nesodhin soende *** 661 TSR
Miere ocean *** TSR
moghedien poisonous spider 195 FOH
muad foot *** ***
Muad'drin footmen *** ***
Mordero daghain pas
duente cuebiyar *** 619 EOW
Muad'drin tia dar
allende... Footmen prepare to
pass cavalry 164 TDR
..caba'drin rhadiem forward 585 ***
ninte, ninto your *** ***
Ninte calichniye no
domashita Your welcome warms me 696 EOW
oosquai an Aiel liquor 656 TSR
Ordeith wormwood xxivTDR
rahein dawn *** ***
Rahein Sorei Dawn Runners gls FOH
Rhyagelle Those who come Home 416 TGH
s'redit elephant 235 FOH
Sa souvraya niende
misain ye I am lost in my own mind 422 TSR
Saidar female half of the TrueSource 140 EOW
Saidin male half of the True Source xiiiEOW
sam slayer *** ***
Sammael Slayer of Hope *** ***
segade cactus 98 FOH
seia black *** ***
Seia Doon Black Eyes 252 TSR
Sene sovya
caba'donde ain
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<note 3 of 11>
doviendya Luck is a horse to ride like
any other 81 FOH
Serenla stubborn daughter 43 FOH
Sha'mad Conde Thunder Walkers 252 TSR
Shadar Logoth The Place where the Shadow
Waits 244 EOW
Shae'en M'taal Stone Dog 326 TDR
Shaiel Woman who is Dedicated 392 TSR
shain sworn to peace *** ***
Shen an Calhar The Band of the Red Hand 610 FOH
shin wind *** ***
siswai'aman the spear of the Dragon 524 FOH
So'jhin heriditary upper servant 35 TSR
sorda rat 92 FOH
Sorei runners *** ***
Sovin Nai Knife Hands gls FOH
staera copper scraping stick 100 FOH
Sul'dam Holder of the Leash 566 TGH
Suravye ninto
manshima taishite Peace favor your sword 606 EOW
sursa chopsticks 578 TSR
T'ingshen Treebrother 622 EOW
t'mat tomato 563 TSR
Ta'maral'ailen Web of Destiny(of thePattern) 466 EOW
Ta'veren centerpoint of the Pattern 466 EOW
Tai'shar True blood of... 120 TGH
Tain Shari True Bloods 657 TSR
Tarmon Gai'don Last Battle 327 TGH
Tel'aran'rhiod World of Dreams; Unseen World 189 TDR
Tia avende alantin Brother to the Trees 649 EOW
Toh obligation or duty 267 TSR
Tsingu ma choba I am unworthy 584 EOW
Tsingu ma choshih You honor me 622 EOW
tu traveling *** ***
Tuatha'an Traveling People 308 EOW
zemai corn 563 TSR
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A compilation of the documents of
<daberg@leland.stanford.edu>, BAClubb
<Bruce42288@aol.com>, Mark<mk0349@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu>,
<gsfn34d@prodigy.com>, and Aaron17 <aaron17@aol.com>. Also
drawed upon is the long letter that Don Harlow
<donh@netcom.com> was nice enough to send. I compiled,
typed, and edited this document. I did not, however, find
most of the words.
Key: ?= indicates uncertainty
Words:
a = /preposition or article/
a'dam = leashed one /see "dam"/
a'vron = watcher /see "vron/"
aan = one
aan'allein = one man /see "aan" and "allein"/
aethan ?= shields /see "aethan dor"/
aiel = dedicated
ailen = ??? /see "ta'maral'ailen"/
ain ?= is /see note 1/
al = /article/
al'cair'rahienallen = Cairhein /See "cair", "rahien" and
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<note 4 of 11>
"allen"/
alcair = the golden
algai'd'siswai ?= the spear fighters /see "gai" and
"siswai"/
alantin = brother
aldazar = the eagle /see "dazar"/
aldieb = westwind
algode = cotton
allein = man
allen ?= hill
allende = ??? /see phrase "Muad'drin tia dar allende
caba'drin rhadiem"/
aman = dragon
an = /preposition/ or /pluralization as suffix/...
angreal = /tool of the power/
aridhol = ??? /a city of the second covenant/
asmodean = ??? /contraction of real name?/
atha ?= person
atha'an ?= peoples /see "atha" and "an" and "atha'an
miere"/
aven ?= call
avende = tree
avendesora = the Tree of Life
avendoraldera = Cutting/Sapling of Tree of Life
ayende = release/freedom
balthamel = ??? /a Forsaken/
be'lal = ??? /a Forsaken/
bekkar ?= blood
cab ?= free /note/
caba = horse
caba'donde = /see "caba", "donde", "Sene sovya caba'donde
ain dovienya"/
caba'drin = cavalry/horsemen
caballein = free man /see "cab" and "allein" and note 3/
cadin = ??? /see "cadin'sor"/
cadin'sor = working clothes
cair = gold
cal = red
caldazar = red eagle /see "cal" and "dazar"/
calhar = red hand /see "cal" and "har"/
calichniye = welcome
car = chief
car'a'carn = Chief of Chiefs /see "car" and "carn"/
carai = for the honor /or/ honor
carn = chiefs
chalinda = sweet girl
cor = night
corenne = return
cue = heart
cuebiyari = /rel. to heart/ /see "cue" and phrase "valdar
cuebiyari"/
cuendillar = heartstone
da'shain = /see note 4 and phrase "da'shain aiel"/
dadaranell = ??? /see phrase "mafal dadaranell"/
daghain = ??? /see phrase "Mordero daghain pas duente
cuebiyar"/
dai = Battle /see note 4/
dal = bowl
dam = leash
damane = leashed one /see "dam" and "aan"/
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<note 5 of 11>
dar = ??? /see phrase "Muad'drin tia dar allende caba'drin
rhadiem"/
dar = sister
darei = spear
dareis = spear
dazar = eagle
demandred = ??? /a forsaken/
din = brother
do ?= over /a preposition/
domashita ?= warms /see phrase "Ninte calichniye no
domashitsa"/
don = ??? /see "gai'don"/
donde ?= to ride /see "caba'donde"/
dor ?= red /see "aethan dor"/
dovie = /rel. to luck/ /see "dovie'andi" and "dovienya"/
dovie'andi ?= dice /see "dovie" and phrase "Dovie'andi se
tovya sagain"/
dovienya = luck
drelle = river of
drin = soldiers
duadhe ?= water
duente = ??? /see phrase "Mordero daghain pas duente
cuebiyar"/
e = and
en = ??? /see "jeade'en" and "shae'en m'taal" and note 2/
ellisande = rose of the sun
faile = falcon
far = for
ga = ??? /see phrase "Kodome Calichniye ga ni Aes Sedai
hei"/
gai = battle /See note 4/
gai'don = ??? /see "gai", "tarmon gai'don"/
gai'shain = those sworn to peace in battle /see "gai" and
note 4/
gaidin = battle brother /warder/ /see "gai" and "din"/
graendal = ??? /a forsaken/
hailene = forerunners
hama = ??? /See phrase "Hama N'dore"/
har = hand
hei = always
in ?= /pluralization/ /see note/
inde = no /or/ not /general negation/
isain = is /see note 1/
isainde = isn't /contraction/ /see "isain" and "inde"/
isha ?= betrayer /possibly no 'a'/
ishamael = betrayer of hope /a Forsaken/ /see "isha" and
"mael"/
jeade = ??? /see "jeade'en"/
jeade'en = true finder
jenn = truly /or/ true
jhin = ??? /see "so'jhin"/
ji = honor
kardon = green skinned fruit from a leafless spiny plant
kiserai = glory
kodome = ??? /see phrase "Kodome calichniye ga ni Aes
Sedai hei"/
lanfear = doughter of the night /a forsaken/
logoth = ??? /see phrase "shadar logoth"/
los = forward
m'taal = ??? /see phrase "shae'en m'taal"/
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<note 6 of 11>
ma = /contraction/ /see "ma'vron"/
ma'vron ?= /contraction/ /see "miere" and "vron"/
machin = ??? /see phrase "machin shin"/
mad = ??? /see "sha'mad"/
mael = hope
mafal = ??? /see phrase "mafal dadaranell"/
mahdi = seeker
mahdi'in = seeker(s) /suffix is pluralization?/
mai = maiden(s)
man = /related to sword or blade/ /see "mandarb",
"manshima"/
mandarb = blade
manetheren = mountain home
manetherendrelle = waters of mountain home /see
"manetheren" and "drelle"/
manshima ?= sword /see "man", "Suravye ninto manshima
taishite"/
maral = ??? /see "ta'maral'ailen"/
marath ?= those who must /see "marath'damane"/
marath'damane = those who must be leashed /see "damane"/
mashiara = beloved of heart /or/ a love lost
mesaana = ??? /a forsaken/
mi = my
mia = my
miere = ocean/waves
misain = am /see note 1/
moghedien ?= spider /a forsaken/
mordero = ??? /see phrase "Mordero daghain pas duente
cuebiyar"/
Moridin ?= death /see phrase "Tia mi aven Moridin isainde
vadin"/
muad = foot
muad'drin = /see "muad" and "drin"/
muaghde ?= meat
n'dore = ??? /See phrase "hama n'dore"/
nei = ??? /see phrase "sovin nei"/
ni = ??? /see phrase "Kodome calichniye ga ni Aes Sedai
hei"/
ninte = your
ninto = your
no = me /first person singular pre-verb direct object
pronoun/
on ?= /pluralization/ /see note 2/
oosquai ?= whiskey /or some other alchoholic beverage/
ordeith = wormwood
pas = ??? /see phrase "Mordero daghain pas duente
cuebiyar"/
rahien = dawn
rahvin = ??? /a forsaken/
rhadiem = ??? /see phrase "Muad'drin tia dar allende
caba'drin rhadiem"/
rhyagelle = those who come home
sa ?= /superlative prefix/ /or/ /reflexive pronoun/
sa'angreal = very strong Power channel /see "sa" and
"angreal"/
sa'sara = "superlative" dance /see "sa" and "sara"/
sag ?= time /see "sagain"/
sagain = it's time /see "sag", "ain" and "Dovie'andi se
tovya sagain"/
sai = /related to power/
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<note 7 of 11>
saidar = female half of power /see "sai" and "dar"/
saidin = male half of power /see "sai" and "din"/
sam ?= destroyer
sammael = destroyer of hope /a forsaken/ /see "sam" and
"mael"/
sara = dance /see "sa'sara"/
se = themselves /reflexive pre-verb pronoun/
seia = ??? /see phrase "seia doon"/
semirhage = ??? /a forsaken/
sene ?= as/like /see phrase "Sene sovya caba'donde ain
dovienya"/
serenla = stubborn daughter
sha = ??? /see "sha'mad"/
sha'mad = ??? /see phrase "sha'mad conde"/
shadar = ??? /see phrase "shadar logoth"/
shae = ??? /see "shae'en"/
shae'en = ??? /see phrase "shae'en m'taal"/
shaiel = she who is dedicated /see aiel/
shain ?= peace /see note 4/
shambayan = chamberlain
shan ?= lord
shar = ??? /see "tai'shar"/
shari = /plural of "shar"/
shatayan = chatelaine
shen = band
shoufa = dustveil
siswai = spear
siswai'aman = /see "siswai" and "aman"/
so = ??? /see "so'jhin"/
so'jhin = /hereditary upper servants of the blood/
sor = /see "cadin'sor"/
sorda = rat
sorei = runner(s)
sovin = ??? /see phrase "sovin nei"/
souvraya = ??? /see phrase "Sa souvraya niende misain ye"/
sovya ?= another /see phrase "Sene sovya caba'donde ain
dovienya"/
staera = copper scraping stick
sul ?= holder /see "sul'dam"/
sul'dam = leash holder /see "dam"/
suravye = ??? /see phrase "Suravye ninto manshima
taishite"/
sursa = chopsticks
t'mat ?= tomato
ta = /rel. to pattern/
ta'maral'ailen = web of destiny around ta'veren /see "ta"/
ta'veren = focal point of pattern /see "ta"/
taal = ??? /see "m'taal"/
tai = ??? /see "tai'shar"/
tai'shar = true blood
tain = /plural of "tai"/
taishite = ??? /see phrase "Suravye ninto manshima
taishite"/
tarmon ?= last /see phrase "tarmon gai'don"/
tel'aran'rhiod = world of dreams /or/ unseen world
ter = ??? /see "ter'angreal"/
ter'angreal = director of power /see "angreal"/
ti = to
tia = to
toh = obligation/duty
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<note 8 of 11>
tovya = roll /probably third person plural reflexive form/
tuatha = /contraction involving "atha"/
tuatha'an = Traveling People /see "tuatha" and "atha'an"/
vadin = bar/barrier
val ?= guard /see "valdar" and "valon"/
valdar = ??? /see phrase "valdar cuebiyari"/
valon ?= guards /see "val", "on" and phrase "tar valon"/
vron = watcher(s)
wansho = builder(s)
ye = I /or/ /exclamatory fragment without meaning/
zemai = maize or corn
Note 1: "Misain", "isain" and "ain" all appear to be forms
of the verb "to be".
Note 2: "An", "in", "on" and "en" all seem to indicate
pluralization in some context or another. It is possible
that the "-n" suffix is all that is really needed.
Note 3: "Caballein", it has been suggested, might be a
contraction of "caba" and "allein" meaning "horseman". The
use of it as "free man" would then be a cultural thing.
This would avoid the creation of the new word "cab"
meaning "free".
Note 4: "Dai" and "gai" seem to both mean battle. Also,
"Da'shain" and "Gai'shain" are very much alike. "Shain"
seems to mean something along the lines of "sworn to
peace". There is also "Dai Shan" which sounds somewhat
alike but means "Battle Lord". Draw your own conclusions.
Phrases:
aes sedai=servant to/of all
My guess is that this phrase should probably be translated
"to all servant". Thus "aes" would probably be a
contraction of "a" and the word meaning "all". "Sedai"
would then mean servant.
aethan dor = red shields
An aiel warrior society. Possibly the "-n" ending
indicates that "aethan" means shields, and thus "dor"
would be another word for "red" in addition to "cal".
al caldazar = the red eagle
The sign of Manetheren. "Cal" means "red", and "dalzar"
means "eagle".
al ellisande = the rose of the sun
The sign for Aemon's wife, Eldrene. "Ellisande" can
probably be divided into two words, but I have no idea
how.
alcair dal = the golden bowl
An aiel meeting place. "Cair" means "gold" and "dal" means
bowl.
atha'an miere = the sea folk
Probably literally "people sea" as "miere" means "sea",
"atha'an" is the pluralization of "atha" meaning "person"
Caballein misain ye = I am a free man
Probably literally "Free man am I". "Cab" means "free",
"allein" means "man", "misain" means "am", and "ye" means
"I".
Carai an caldazar = For the honor of the red eagle
"Carai" means "honor", "an" is a preposition in this case,
probably "of", "cal" means "red" and "dazar" means
"eagle".
Carai an ellisande = for the honor of the rose of the
sun "Carai" means "honor", "an" is a preposition meaning
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<note 9 of 11>
"of" and "ellisande" means "the rose of the sun".
cor darei = night spears
An Aiel warrior society. "Cor" means "night" and "darei"
means "spears".
daes daemar = the great game /or/ the game of the
houses. I have no idea what any of the two to three words
in this phrase mean.
da'shain aiel = the original name for the aiel
"Aiel" means dedicated. See note 1 above for
interpretation of da'shain.
dai shan = battle lord
"Dai" means "battle", "shan" means lord. See also note 1
above.
do miere a'vron = the watchers over the sea
Probably literally "over ocean, watchers". "Do" means
"over", "miere" means "ocean" and "vron" means "watchers".
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain = It's time to roll the dice
"Dovie" seems to be related to "dovienya" which means
"luck". Following the normal sentence order, this probably
means "Dice themselves roll time it is." Thus,
"Dovie'andi" means "dice", "se" is a relexive pronoun
"themselves", "tovya" is a conjugation of "to roll", "sag"
means "time" and "ain" means "is". The only two that
cross-reference, however, are "ain" and "Dovie'andi".
duadhe mahdi'in = water seekers
An Aiel warrior society. "Duadhe" means "water" and
"mahdi'in" is the pluralistaion of "mahdi" which means
"seeker".
far aldazar din = brothers of the eagle
Probably literally "for the eagle, brother". An Aiel
warrior society. "Far" means "for", "dazar" means "eagle"
and "din" means "brother".
far dareis mai = maidens of the spear
Probably literally "for spear, maiden". The Aiel female
warrior society. "Far" means "for", "darei" means "spear",
and "mai" means "maiden".
hama n'dore = mountain dancers
An Aiel warrior society. No idea on either word.
Inde muaghde Aes Sedai misain ye = I am no Aes Sedai meat.
Probably literally "not meat Aes Sedai am I" with the Aes
Sedai modifying the preceding noun. "Inde" means negation,
"muaghde" means "meat", "misain" means "am" and "ye" means
"I".
jenn aiel = the "true" aiel
Probably literally "truly dedicated". The name for the
"tribe" of Aiel who built Rhuidean. "Jenn" means "true" or
"truly", and "aiel" means "dedicated".
Kiserai ti wansho = glory to the builders
"Kiserai" means "glory", "ti" means "to" and "wansho"
means "builders".
Kodome calichniye ga ni Aes Sedai hei = Here is always a
welcome for Aes Sedai. Probably literally "??? welcome ???
??? Aes Sedai always". "Calichniye" means "welcome" and
"hei" means "always".
Los caba'drin = horsemen/cavalry forward
"Los" means "forward", "caba" means "horse" and "drin"
means "soldier"
Los valdar cuebiyari = Heart-guard foward
"Los" means "forward" and "valdar cuebiyari" means "the
heart guard".
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<note 10 of 11>
machin shin = the black wind. The wind in the ways. No
idea on word order.
mafal dadaranell = old name for Fal Dara No idea on any
word.
Mia ayende, Aes Sedai = release me, Aes Sedai. Probably
literally "my release/freedom, Aes Sedai". "Mia" means
"my" and "ayende" means "release/freedom".
Mia dovienya nesodhin soende = ???
Probably literally "My luck ??? ???". If the normal word
order holds, "nesodhin" is the very and "soende" is the
subject. Mat says that this sunded like a "fervent wish."
Mordero daghain pas duente cuebiyar = ???
"Cuebiyar" could be related to "cuebiyari" which might
mean "guard". See "valdar cuebiyari".
Muad'drin tia dar allende caba'drin rhadiem = Footmen
prepare to pass cavalry. Probably literally "Foot soldiers
to ??? ??? horse soldiers ???" "Muad" means "foot", "drin"
means "soldier", "tia" means "to" and "caba" means "horse"
Ninte calichniye no domashitsa = Your welcome warms me
Probably literally "Your welcome me warms" with the direct
object coming before the verb. "Ninte" means "your",
"calichniye" means "welcome", "no" means "me" and
"domashita" means "warms".
rahien sorei = dawn runners. An Aiel warrior society.
"Rahien" means "dawn" and "sorei" means "runners".
Sa souvraya niende misain ye = I am lost in my own mind.
Probably literally "??? ??? ??? am I". "Misain" means
"am", "ye" means "I". "Sa" does not appear to be a
superlative in this sentence. Possibly literally "in my
own mind lost am I" In this scenarion, "sa" could either
mean a reflexive (own) or in could be a preposition
meaning "in". I would also guess that "aya" or something
close to this may be a possesive suffix.
seia doon = black eyes. An Aiel warrior society. No idea
on word order.
Sene sovya caba'donde ain dovienya = Luck is a horse to
ride like any other. Probably literally "As/like another a
horse to ride is luck". Thus, "sene" means "as/like",
"sovya" means "another", "donde" means to ride, "ain"
means "is" and "dovienya" means "luck".
sha'mad conde = thunder walkers. An Aiel warrior
society. No idea on word order.
shadar logoth = shadow's waiting. The present name for
Aridhol. No idea on word order.
shae'en m'taal = stone dogs. An Aiel warrior society. No
idea.
shen an calhar = the band of the red hand. "Shen" means
"band", "an" means "of", "cal" means "red" and "har" means
"hand".
sovin nai = knife hands. No idea on word order.
Suravye ninto manshima taishite = Peace favor your
sword. Probably literally means "??? your sword ???". No
idea on the unknown word order. "Ninto" means "your" and
"manshima" probably means "sword" as "man" is also present
in "mandarb".
tain shari = true bloods. "Tain" is the plural of "tai"
and "shari" is the plural of "shar".No idea on word order.
See also "tai'shar".
tar valon = tower guards. "Val" probably means "guard"
and "on" may be a plural ending which implies that "tar"
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probably means "tower".
tarmon gai'don = last battle. "Gai" means battle. No
idea on rest.
tia avende alantin = Ogier. Probably literally "to the
trees, brother". "Tia" means "to", "avende" means "tree"
and "alantin" means "brother".
Tia mi aven Moridin isainde vadin = The grave is no bar
to my call. The phrase on the Horn of Valere. Probably
literally "To my call, death isn't bar". "Tia" means "to",
"mi" means "my", "aven" means "call", "moridin" means
"death", "isainde" means "isn't", and "vadin" means "bar"
or "barrier". Another interpretation of this stems from
the fact that the above does not conform to the fairly
standard predicate-verb-subject word order. Under that
interpretation, this would probably literally be "To my
call, barrier isn't call" changing the meaning of
"Moridin" to "barrier" and "vadin" to "death". My personal
opinion is that the capitalization of "Moridin" indicates
that it means "death" as there is relatively little reason
to capitalize "barrier".
valdar cuebiyari = the heart guard
"Val" probably means "guard" and "cue" means "heart". The
interesting thing here is that "dar" means "sister". I am
not sure what to make of this.
There are probably numerous errors in this file as it is
based on a lot of speculation. If you find any, can you
please e-mail me at <daberg@leland.stanford.edu>. Thank
You. Aaron
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<note 1 of 2>
"Dear Carolyn,
Thank you for your letter. It is good to hear about
your newsletter and the activity of my fans.
I think I need to address your question about the stories.
you are right about stories set in my world or my landscape
or my world's history plagiarizing my creation, and
plagiarism is theft; a benign theft in the case of
a fan publication, but just the same, an author's sole
property rights to his creating lie in his copyright,
and to infringe my copyright is to steal from me...Even
if I were to set restrictions, any permission or
approval from me would set a precedent that I cannot
and will not set. you might agree not to use any of
my characters, say, but another fan club might not
be as correct as you have been regarding asking permission,
yet take publication by your newsletter of stories
in my world as an okay to do the same. Like Chelsea
Quinn Yarbro, I might well find stories being published
that do include my characters, and published to make
a buck. Such would lead to all sorts of legal wrangles.
For that reason, I cannot give you such permission.
As to role playing, that is an entirely different matter.
As long as there is no commercial consideration involved,
feel free.
With regard to sanctioning your club, I'm afraid I
can't. I do not intend to sanction any fan club; there
are a number of clubs, and I really can't favor one
over another. I hope you understand.
Now about how evil the Forsaken are. I'm not really
sure you define evil. Part of what I am writing about
is just how ordinary evil is. In many ways, without
the One Power, the Forsaken would be no more than
Darkfriends,
though perhaps a bit more than ordinary. True, their
callousness toward the pain, suffering, even death
of ordinary people, and the way they submerge everything
and everyone in their own quest for power--and true
immortality--their willingness to deliver the world
to the Dark One in that quest, are shared by many who
do not have their powers. The point is that they are
human; they haven't gotten rid of human emotions, or
human weaknessesexcept for a few physical ones. They
are not gods, nor even demi-gods, though they seek
to be and think they already are. But believe me,
there is nothing they will not do to achieve their
goals, no price too high to pay--especially if it is
paid by someone else, or millions of someone elses.
And Lanfear holding back and doing good for Rand's
sake? Ha! She was psychically fixed on possessing
a man who never loved her. Even with that, her desire
for Rand was as much a desire for power as for him.
To be the one to deliver the Dragon Reborn to the service
of the Shadow; that would set her above the other Forsaken.
And learning that the access ter'angreal for the two
huge sa'angreal were still in existence....Sure, she
wanted his love--not least because it had been denied
her; Lanfear was a woman who claimed a right to anything
she wanted--wanted his devotion, but even more than
his body, Lanfear wanted power, the power possibly
to replace the Dark One, even to replace the Creator.
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For Rand's sake? Not a chance.
I must say that I'm not surprised that most of your
predictions didn't come out. I try to avoid doing
what people expect. And I avoid answering questions,
at least about what is happening in the books. If
I answer some, people can begin to figure out some
important things that I mean to hide simply by which
I answer and which I don't.
Whether you decide to go with publishing or illustration
for a career--or both--good luck.
Again, thanks for your letter.
With best wishes, I remain, Sincerely, Robert Jordan."
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<note 1 of 4>
March 1, 1994
"Dear Carolyn:
Thanks for your letter of February 6.
I've had requests for info about starting clubs from three
or four people, and have given them the address of The
Chronicles. In addition, there was/is a club in Columbia
S.C., but I've lost their address. In Scotland I was given
a seventy-page printout of "facts deduced" about the books
by a Jordan discussion group on Internet, which I am told
has broken away from the main SF/Fantasy group. A fan wrote
giving me the "address " of this group, but I would have to
go through all the filed letters to find it; as I am not on
any of the nets, I did not make a note of it. Otherwise,
it's hearsay, that the clubs exist on the nets. If I find
any addresses, I will send them on to you.
Does evil need to be effective to be evil? And how do you
define effectiveness? Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge managed
to murder about 25-30% of Cambodia's population, destroy
the country's agricultural and industrial base, fairly well
wipe out the educated class inside the country (defined as
anyone with an education beyond the ability to read; a good
many of those went too, of course), and in general became
so rabid that only China was willing to maintain any sort
of contact with them, and that at arm's length. Their
rabidity was the prime reason that they ended up losing the
country. (though they are still around and still causing
trouble.) In other words, they were extremely ineffective
in attaining their goal, which was to seize Cambodia,
remake it in the way Pol Pot wished (and still wishes), and
export their brand of revolution abroad. Looking at the
death toll, the cities emptied out (hospital patients were
told they had one hour to leave or die; post-op patients,
those still in the operating room, everybody), the murders
of entire families down to infants because one member of
the family was suspected of "counter-revolutionary"
crimes, the mass executions (one method was for hundreds of
people to be bound hand and foot, then bulldozed into
graves alive; the bulldozers drove back and forth over
these mass graves until attempts to dig out stopped) --
given all of that, can you say that Khmer Roughe's
ineffectiveness made them less evil? Irrationality is more
fearful than rationality (if we can use that
term in this regard) because if you have brown hair and know
that the serial killer out there is only killing blondes,
you are safe, but if he is one of those following no easily
discernible pattern, if every murder seems truly random,
then it could be you who will be next. But "rationality"
can have its terrors. What if that killer is only after
brunettes named Carolyn? Stalin had the very rational goal
(according to Communist dogma) of forcibly collectivizing
all farmland in the Soviet Union. He was effective -- all
the land was collectivized -- and to do it he murdered some
thirty million small farmers who did not want to go along.
But are the Forsaken ineffective or irrational? Are they
any more divided than any other group plotting got take
over a country, a world, IBM? True, they plot to secure
power for themselves. But I give you Stalin v. Trotsky and
the entire history of the Soviet Union. I give you Thomas
Jefferson v. Alexander Hamilton v. John Adams, and we will
ignore such thins as Jefferson's hounding of Aaron Burr (he
tore up the Constitution to do it; double jeopardy, habeas
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<note 2 of 4>
corpus, the whole nine yards), or Horatio Gates' attempted
military coup against Washington, with the support of a fair
amount of the Continental Congress. We can also ignore
Secretary of War Stanton's attempts to undermine Lincoln
throughout the Civil War, the New England states' attempt
to make a separate peace with England during the
Revolution and their continued trading with the enemy (the
British again) during the War of 1812, and... The list
could go on forever, frankly, and take in every country.
Human nature is to seize personal advantage, and when the
situation is the one the Forsaken face (namely that one of
them will be given the rule of the entire earth while the
others are forever subordinate), they are going to
maneuver and backstab like crazy. You yourself say "If
ever there was the possibility that some alien force was
going to invade this planet, half the countries would
refuse to admit the problem, the other half would be
fighting each other to figure out who will lead the
countries into battle, etc." Even events like Rahvin or
Sammael or Be'lal seizing a nation have a basis. What
better way to hand over large chunks of land and people to
the Dark One than to be ruler of those elands and people?
The thing is that they are human. But aside from that, are
you sure that you know what they are up to? All of them?
Are you sure you know what the Dark One's own plans are?
Now let's see about Ran and his dangers and his allies.
Have you been skimming, my dear? What makes you think the
Tairens, Cairhienin and Andorans are solidly behind him?
they're plotting and scheming as hard as the Forsaken.
Rand is the Dragon Reborn, but this is my country, and we
don't need anybody, and so on. And then there are those who
don't think he is the DR at all, just a puppet of Tar
Valon. Most of the Aiel may be behind him, but the Shaido
are still around, and the bleackness is still taking its
toll, since not all Aiel can face up to what Rand has told
them about themselves. What makes you think the Seanchan
will fall in behind rand? Have you seen any Seanchan
volunteers showing up? Carolyn, half of these people are
denying there is a problem, and half are trying to be big
honcho themselves. Read again, Carolyn. The world Rand
lives in is getting more frenzied and turbulent. Damned few
are saying, "Lead, because you know best." A good many who
are following are saying "Lead, because I'd rather follow
you than have you call down lightning and burn me to a
crisp!"
As for lack of challenge, I refer you again to the question
about whether you really think you know what all the
Forsaken are planning. Or what Padan Fain is up to. There
is a flaw inherent in fiction, one that is overcome by
suspension of disbelief. We do always know, somewhere in
the back of our heads, that the hero is going to make it
through as far as he needs to. After all, if Frodo buys the
farm, the story is over, kids. The excitement comes in
trying to figure out how he can possibly wiggle out, how he
can possibly triumph.
In Rand's case, let's see what he still has stacked against
him. The Cairhienin and Tairens are for the most part
reluctant allies, and in many cases not even that. At the
end of FIRES, he has Caemlyn, but I don't see any Andoran
nobles crowding around to hail him. Illian still belongs to
Sammael. Pedron Niall is working to convince people Rand is
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a false Dragon, and the Prophet is alienating ten people
for every one he convinces. Tarabon and Arad Doman are
unholy messes; even if Rand manages to get in touch with
all of the Dragonsworn -- who are not organized beyond
individual bands -- he has two humongous civil wars to deal
with. True, he can use the Aiel to suppress those, but he
has to avoid men killing men too much; there are Trollocs
waiting to spill out of the Blight eventually. We must
always remember the Trollocs, Myrddraal etc; the last time
they came out in force, it took over 300 years to beat them
back, and the Last Battle doesn't give Rand anywhere near
that. Altara and Murandy are so divided in any case that
simply getting the king or queen on his side isn't going to
work; remember that most people in those two countries give
loyalty to a city or a local lord and only toss in their
country as an afterthought. Davram Bashere thinks Tenobia
will bring Saldaea to Rand, and that is possible since the
Borderlands would be one place where everyone is aware of
the Last Battle and the Prophecies, but even Bashere isn't
willing to make any promises, not even for Saldaea much
less the other Borderlands, and I haven't seen any
Borderland rulers showing up to hand Rand the keys to the
kingdom. Padan Fain is out there, able to feel Rand, and
hating him because of what was done to him, Fain, to make
him able to find Rand. The surviving Forsaken are out there
and except for Sammael, nobody knows what they are up to or
where they can be found. For that matter, who knows
everything that Sammael is up to? Elaida, in the White
Tower, thinks Rand has to be tightly controlled. The
Salidar Aes Sedai are not simply ready to fall in and kiss
his boots, either. Aes Sedai have been manipulating the
world for more than three thousand years, guiding it,
making sure it remembers the Dark One and Tarmon Gai'don as
real threats, doing their best, as they see it, to prepare
the world for the Dark One breaking free. Are they likely
to simply step aside and hand over control to a farmboy,
even if he is the Dragon Reborn? Even after Moiraine
decided he had to be given his head, Siuan was reluctant,
and Siuan was in Moiraine's little conspiracy from the
beginning. And the Seanchan...The last we saw of their
forces, they were commanded by a Darkfriend. As for the Sea
Folk, do you know what their prophecy says about the
Coramoor? Do you think working with them it will be any
simpler than dealing with the Aiel, say?
Now, what and who does Rand have solidly in his camp?
Perrin knows what is needed, but he's hardly happy about
it. What he really wants is to settle down with Faile and
be a blacksmith; everything else is a reluctant duty. Mat
blew the Horn of Valere, but it's hidden in the Tower, and
frankly, if he could figure some way to go away and spend
the rest of his life carousing and chasing women, he would.
He'll do what he has to do, but Light he doesn't want to.
The Aiel are for Rand (less the Shaido, still a formidable
force), but the Dragon Reborn and the Last Battle are no
part of the Prophecy of Rhuidean. That is all wetlander
stuff. Besides which, they are still suffering losses from
bleakness, people throwing down their spears and leaving,
people defecting to the Shaido or drifting back to the
Waste because what Rand told them of their origins can't
possibly be true and if it isn't then he can't be the
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<note 4 of 4>
car'a'carn. Rand has declared an amnesty for men who can
channel and is trying to gather them in; they, at least,
should give their loyalty to him. But how many can he find?
How much can he teach them in the time he has? How many
will go mad before the Last Battle? There is still the
taint on saidin, remember. For that matter, can Rand hang
onto his own sanity? What effect will having a madman
inside his head have? Can he stop Lews Therin from taking
him over?
I know that was supposed to be a listing of what Rand has
in his favor, but the fact is that he is walking the
razor's edge, barely hanging onto his sanity and growing
more paranoid all the time, barely hanging onto putative
allies, most of whom would just as soon see him go away in
the hope that then everything would be the way it was
before he showed up, confronted by enemies on every side.
In short he has challenges enough for ten men. I've had
people writ to say they can't see how Rand is going to
untangle all of this and get humanity ready to face the
Last Battle. What I say is, what you believe to be true is
not always true. What you think is going to happen is not
always going to happen. That has been demonstrated time and
again in THE WHEEL OF TIME. You could call those two
statements one of the themes of the books.
Hey, don't publish the picture Gerard gave you. Our house
has no wrought-iron gates. Also, no renovation has been
done here since the fix-up after Hurricane Hugo several
years ago. I kid you not. Poor Gerard go the wrong house.
I'm glad you don't intend to publish any address, whether
or not it is mine. There are fans who write letters, and
then there are fans who show up at the front door
unannounced. I hate to be rude to people, but with the time
I spend writing, I barely have time for a social life with
my friends, and frankly, someone who has managed to track
you down is going to think you have cheated them if you
scribble your name in their book and say, "Now go away. I'm
busy." Believe me.
Well, again, thanks for the letter, Carolyn. Do keep me
abreast of what's happening with The Chronicles. I really
would like to see copies, if it is possible for you to send
them to me care of Tor Books.
With best wishes,
I remain,
Sincerely,
Robert Jordan
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Moiraine
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<note 1 of 8>
The Wheel of Time
A Detailed Chronology
Richard S. Millard
October 30, 1992
1992 by Richard S. Millard
The Wheel of Time
A Detailed Chronology
A previous paper has attempted to set out a general
chronology of the thirty years leading up to the action
of The Wheel of Time, and to establish the ages of
the main participants. This paper attempts to establish
a more precise and detailed chronology for the years
997-998 NE.
It is not possible to develop a precise, day-by day
chronology for all of the books. The Dragon Reborn, for
example, contains so few guides that only the most general
statements are possible. However, for other books we can do
much better, and for some periods, at least, something like
a day-by day chronology is indeed possible.
The discussion that follows uses our current calendar
simply because we must use something, and we have no
information regarding the Third Age calendar. We do
know that the year was divided into months (see GH
p. 450, ch. 37) and months into weeks (see GH p. 381,
ch. 31), but we know neither the names nor the number
of those months. Similarly, we have know way of knowing
whether the new year began in the winter, on what we
would call January 1, or at some other time. What
follows is necessarily an estimate and to some extent
is arbitrary, but should provide at least a moderately
accurate indication of the relative times of various
events.
As in the previous paper, the following abbreviations
are used
EW - The Eye of the World
GH - The Great Hunt
DR - The Dragon Reborn
SR - The Shadow Rising
Again, page citations are to the hardcover editions;
chapter citations are provided
for other readers.
1. The Eye of the World. The action of
The Eye of the World begins on the day of Winternight,
997 NE, the day before the spring festival of Bel Tine (EW
p. 3, ch. 1), and occupies a period of approximately
60 days. We know that the festival occurs approximately a
month after the beginning of spring ("spring should have
come a good month since", EW p. 1, ch. 1, and see p. 30,
ch. 3), and that Bel Tine normally coincides with the
sprouting of the first crops and the birth of the first
lambs, when spring has "well and truly arrived" (EW, p. 9,
ch. 1)
We cannot translate Winternight and Bel Tine to our
calendar with precision, but we can make some educated
guesses based on what we know of the climate of the Two
Rivers. Our most important clue, perhaps, is that the Two
Rivers is well known as a center for the production of
tobacco (EW p. 503, ch. 40 and p. 589, ch. 46; SR p. 163,
ch. 13 and p. 421, ch. 37). Based on what we know of the
requirements for growing tobacco and of the climates of
current tobacco growing regions (such as the Chesapeake
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region of the United States), we can assume that a
"normal" spring in the Two Rivers would begin in early to
mid March, and that the Bel Tine festival would normally be
held in perhaps the second week of April - say April 10 or
April 15. It is somewhat tempting to equate the Bel Tine
dance at which the young women of Emond's Field dance the
"pole" with a traditional European "Maypole" dance, to
which it seems very similar, but placing Bel Tine as late
as May 1 would not only be inconsistent with the climate of
a tobacco growing region, which would be expected to have a
slightly earlier spring, but (as will be shown below) would
also push the battle at Falme described in The Great Hunt
back into winter rather than late fall.
Once we establish dates for Winternight and Bel
Tine, the action of The Eye of the World up to the
scattering of group in Shadar Logoth can be dated without
difficulty. The group leaves Emond's Field on the night of
Bel Tine (EW, p. 107, ch. 9 and p. 126, ch. 11) and crosses
the Taren the same night (EW p. 139, ch. 12). The journey
from the Taren to Baerlon takes six days; the group arrives
in Baerlon on the night of the sixth day (EW p. 154, ch.
13). One day is spent in Baerlon, on which Rand meets
Padan Fain and challenges the Whitecloaks; a Fade attacks
Rand and the group leaves Baerlon that same night (EW p.
210, ch. 17). Two days are spent on the Caemlyn road
before the Trollocs attack (EW p. 219, ch.18), and a third
day is spent traveling cross country before taking refuge
in Shadar Logoth (EW p. 219-231, ch. 18).
The main difficulties arise after the group breaks
up in Shadar Logoth. Between this dispersal and the
reunion in Caemlyn, there is not sufficient data to track
any group other than Rand and Mat, and even Rand and Mat
require some estimation. We know that the journey by boat
to Whitebridge takes approximately ten days (EW p. 299, ch.
24), and that after reaching Four Kings the remainder of
the journey to Caemlyn takes four days (EW p. 417, ch. 33;
p. 422, ch. 33; p. 432 ch. 34; p. 43 6, ch. 34 and p. 443,
ch. 34). The gaps we cannot fill are the time spent
traveling from Whitebridge to Four Kings, and the time
spent in Caemlyn before the rest of the group arrives.
Based on the available maps, it appears that the
distance from Whitebridge to Four Kings is approximately
four times the distance from Four Kings to Caemlyn.
However, the time spent covering this distance need
not have been proportionally longer. Both Rand and Mat are
ill after Four Kings (EW p. 413, 423, ch. 33), and this may
have slowed them down; they may have covered the distance
from Whitebridge to Four Kings at a faster pace. On the
other hand, it is clear that Rand and Mat of ten stopped to
work during the journey from Whitebridge to Four Kings, and
this would have slowed them down. All in all, it seems
safest to assume that the time spent traveling from
Whitebridge to Four Kings was in fact roughly proportional
to the distance involved, or approximately sixteen days.
Rand and Mat's time in Caemlyn waiting for Moiraine
presents a smaller gap. It appears that some time went by
between the arrival in Caemlyn and Rand's trip to see
Logain (see EW p. 491, ch. 39), in the course of which he
met Elayne, Gawyn and Morgase, but no indication is given
of the exact amount of time elapsed. It is unlikely,
however, that the time was very great. Given Mat's
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condition, Moiraine must have arrived and healed him
shortly after he arrived in Caemlyn. If we allow a total
of three days before Moiraine's arrival, we should not be
too far off.
Although we cannot track any other members of the
group before the reunion in Caemlyn, we can fill in a few
facts. For example, we know that Perrin and Egwene travel
for two days before meeting Elyas Machera (EW p. 282, ch.
23), and spend three days with Elyas and his friends before
meeting the Tinkers (EW p. 306-307, ch. 25). We also know
that Moiraine, Lan and Nynaeve arrive in Whitebridge only
one or two days after Rand and Mat (EW p. 354, ch. 28).
Beyond this, however, we simply do not have enough data to
justify reaching any conclusions.
After the reunion in Caemlyn, the chronology once
more becomes clear. The trip to Fal Dara via the Ways
takes two days (EW p. 566, ch. 45), camping once in the
Ways (EW p. 567, ch. 45) and staying at Fal Dara on the
second night (EW p. 603, ch. 47). The trip from Fal Dara
to the Eye of the World also takes two days, with one night
spent at Malkier (EW p. 611, ch. 48) and the second night,
after the battle with Aginor, at the Eye itself (EW p. 649,
ch. 52). The trip back to Fal Dara takes two days, arriving
at Fal Dara for the second night (EW p. 653, ch. 53) after
camping one night in the Blight (EW p. 652, ch. 53). The
final scene between Rand and Egwene takes place seven days
later (EW p. 655, ch. 53).
Thus, a tentative chronology (beginning with an
arbitrarily chosen date in early April) would be as follows
Date Event
April 10 WinternightMoiraine, Lan, Thom Merrilin,
Padan Fain arrive, Trollocs attack at night
April 11 Bel Tine Moiraine heals Tam al'Thor; group
leaves Emond's Field and crosses the Taren at
night
April 17 Group arrives Baerlon in evening
April 18 Day in BaerlonRand meets Padan Fain and
challenges Whitecloaks; group leaves Baerlon
at night
April 21 Trolloc pursuit; group takes refuge in
Shadar
Logoth; Rand, Mat and Thom leave via boat
April 23 Perrin and Egwene meet Elyas
April 26 Perrin, Egwene and Elyas meet Tinkers
May 1 Rand, Mat and Thom arrive Whitebridge; Thom
attacks Fade
May 2/3 Moiraine, Lan and Nynaeve arrive in
Whitebridge
May 17 Rand and Mat arrive in Four Kings
May 21 Rand and Mat arrive in Caemlyn
May 24 Rand meets Elayne, Gawyn and Morgase; group
reunited in Caemlyn; leaves for Fal Dara via
Ways that night
May 25 Camp in Ways
May 26 Arrive at Fal Dara; Padan Fain captured
May 27 Travel in Blight; camp at Malkier
May 28 Battle at Eye of the World
May 30 Return to Fal Dara
June 6 Conversation between Rand and Egwene, end of
The Eye of the World.
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As will be shown below, the end of The Eye of the
World cannot occur much more than a week after the date
suggested above; extending the action much later in the
year would lead to an unacceptably late date for the battle
at Falme at the end of The Great Hunt. Moreover, we know
that it is still "spring" when the group first arrives at
Fal Dara (EW p.580, 584, ch. 46). This would be consistent
with a late May or an early June date, especially in a
northern climate such as Shienar's, but probably not with a
mid-June date.
On the other hand, to begin the action any earlier
would require us either to place Bel Tine even earlier in
the year, thus assuming a "normal" spring in the first week
of March, which seems too early, or to shorten our estimate
of the time spent traveling from Whitebridge to Four Kings,
neither of which seems reasonable.
On the whole, it is unlikely that the foregoing
chronology if off by more than a week to 10 days.
2. The Great Hunt. We know that The Great Hunt
begins approximately a month after the return to Fal Dara
from the Eye of the World (GH p. 3, ch. 1 and p. 117, ch.
8), or three weeks after the conversation between Rand and
Egwene that ended The Eye of the World. The characters
separate early in the book, as Rand, Mat and Perrin leave
Fal Dara with Ingtar to pursue the Horn of Valere, Egwene
and Nynaeve travel to Tar Valon to train as Aes Sedai, and
Moiraine goes her own way to pursue her researches. There
are too few clues to enable us to establish a chronology
for Egwene and Nynaeve, or for Moiraine, but we can
establish a reasonably reliable chronology for Rand, Mat
and Perrin.
The book opens on the day (Day 1) of the Amyrlin
Seat's arrival in Fal Dara (GH p. 9, ch. 1). Rand goes
into hiding in the women's apartments that afternoon, and
the Trollocs attack the keep, rescue Padan Fain and steal
the Horn that night (GH p. 70, ch. 6). The Amyrlin
interviews Rand and tells him of his heritage the next day
(Day 2) (GH p. 98, ch. 7 and p. 108, ch. 8), and Rand, Mat
and Perrin leave Fal Dara with Ingtar that same day (GH p.
128, ch. 8).
The party camps three times on the trail of the
Trollocs (GH p. 142, 146, ch. 10); these camps are the
nights of Days 2, 3 and 4. Two more days (Days 5 and 6) of
the same follow (GH p. 146, ch. 10). On the next day, Day
7, the group crosses the River Erinin and camps next to the
Portal Stone (GH p. 159, ch. 11), and Rand is given the
Dragon banner. Lanfear (Selene) transports Rand, Loial and
Hurin by Portal Stone that night.
Rand's party camps only one night (the night of Day 8)
in the world of the Portal Stone (GH p. 201, ch. 15);
Ba'alzamon visits the camp, and Rand is marked with the
first heron, that night. The moon is "almost full" (GH p.
202, ch. 15). On the next day, Day 9, the party passes the
field of Talidar, meets Selene, leaves the world of the
Portal Stone and camps in Kinslayer's Dagger in the "real"
world (GH p. 227, ch. 17).
This brings us to our first difficulty; we are not
told exactly how long Rand and his group waited in the
mountains for Fain and his Trollocs. We do know that
several days elapsed (GH p. 239, ch. 19); and since the
time is measured only in days, we can assume that the
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period was less than a week. We are told that on the night
Rand attacked the Trollocs and regained the Horn, the
moon was "not far past full" (GH p. 240, ch. 19). Since
the moon was "nearly full" on the night of Day 8 (see
above), it seems reasonable to conclude that perhaps four
to six days have passed, placing Rand's seizure of the Horn
on the night of Day 12 to Day 14. If we choose Day 13, this
results in a four-day (Days 10, 11, 12 and 13) wait in the
mountains for the Trollocs, which can't be far off.
From Kinslayer's Dagger to Cairhien appears to be a
journey of somewhat over two days (Days 14, 15 and 16),
with one camp (Day 14) in the mountains (GH p. 252, ch.
20), one night (Day 15) at The Nine Rings inn in the
village of Tremonsien (GH p. 258, ch. 21), with Cairhien
reached the next day, Day 16 (GH p. 309, ch. 25). Rand
locates Thom Merrilin and visits the Illuminators'
compound the next day, Day 17 (GH p. 317, ch. 25 and p.
335, ch. 27). We know that Rand arrives in Cairhien a week
before Ingtar, Verin, Mat and Perrin (GH p. 381, ch. 31),
which means that Rand must have spent Days 18 through 22
collecting invitations from the noble houses and looking
for Selene, before the Darkfriends retake the Horn and
Ingtar's party arrives on Day 23.
Verin, Ingtar and Rand confer on the evening of Day
23, and attend Lord Barthanes Damodred's party the next
night, Day 24 (GH p. 384, ch. 31). After learning that the
Horn has been taken through a Waygate, they leave for
Stedding Tsofu early on Day 25 (GH p. 410, ch. 34). This
day is spent on the road, camping on the road that night
(GH p. 422, ch. 35), and Stedding Tsofu is reached the next
day, Day 26 (GH p. 423, ch. 35). The group meets with the
Elders, encounters Machin Shin at the Waygate and departs
by Portal Stone that same day.
Verin Sedai estimates that the journey by Portal Stone
consumes four months in the "real world" (GH p. 450, ch.
37), with the group arriving in "late fall", after at least
two snows but before true winter has arrived (GH p. 490,
ch. 41). After arriving in the evening, the group searches
for Fain for three days before reaching the village of
Atuan's Mill (GH p. 493, ch. 41). They then separate, in
disguise, to pick up Fain's trail, searching for an unknown
period which we may estimate at an additional three days
(See GH p. 493, ch. 41 and Verin's comments at GH p. 522,
ch. 44). Rand, Pat, Perrin, Hurin and Ingtar enter Falme
the next day (GH p. 524, ch. 44), retake the Horn, and
expel the Seanchan. Rand wakes five days thereafter on the
road east from Falme (GH p. 570, ch. 49).
If, as discussed above, we place the return to
Fal Dara from the Eye of the World on May 30, then we may
construct the following chronology
Date Event
July 1 Amyrlin Seat arrives in Fal Dara;
Trollocs retake Horn of Valere and rescue
Padan Fain
July 2 Amyrlin Seat interviews Rand al'Thor;
Ingtar's party leaves in pursuit of the
Horn
July 7 Ingtar's party crosses River Erinin; Rand
given Dragon Banner; Rand transported by
Portal Stone
July 9 Rand meets Selene (Lanfear); returns from
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<note 6 of 8>
world of Portal Stone
July 13 Rand attacks Trollocs in Kinslayer's
Dagger and regains Horn of Valere
July 15 Rand encounters great sa'angreal outside
Tremonsien
July 16 Rand arrives in Cairhien
July 17 Rand meets Tom Merrilin; pursued by
Trollocs; enters Illuminators' compound
July 23 Darkfriends take Horn of Valere; Ingtar's
party
arrives in Cairhien
July 24 Rand attends party at Lord Barthanes
Damodred's mansion
July 26 Group arrives at Stedding Tsofu; travels
by Portal Stone
November 26 Group arrives on Toman Head
November 29 Searchers for Fain reach Atuan's Mill
December 3 Rand, Mat and Perrin regain Horn of
Valere; Nynaeve, Elayne and Min rescue
Egwene from Seanchan; Battle of Falme
December 8 Rand awakens on road east from Falme
These are about the earliest dates possible; to move the
action forward in the year to any significant degree would
require us to begin The Eye of the World at an unreasonably
early date. On the other hand, to move the action later in
the year would result in arrival on Toman Head in winter
rather than late autumn. On the whole, it is unlikely that
the chronology suggested for the year 997 is off by more
than a week in either direction.
3. The Dragon Reborn. The Dragon Reborn presents the
greatest chronological difficulties of any book in the
series. We know that the book begins in the spring of 998,
and covers a period of several months, ending in late
spring or early summer. Unfortunately, we have no other
chronological landmarks, and can only fall back on a rough
general estimate.
Since spring has already begun in the lands below the
mountains (DR p.1, ch. 1 and p. 65, ch. 7), we can assume
that the book begins no earlier than mid-April. Based on
the time Ingtar takes to travel from Fal Dara to Cairhien
in the Great Hunt (23 days), a journey that appears to be
no more than 60% of the distance from the Mountains of Mist
to Tear, and considering that Rand made at least part of
the trip to Tear on foot, an estimate of from 45 to 60 days
seems reasonable. This would put Rand in Tear in early to
mid-June. Either a June 1 or a June 15 date would be
consistent with the chronology of The Shadow Rising,
although, all things considered, the longer period, and
hence the June 15 date, appears marginally more likely.
Perhaps the next book in the series will provide additional
clues that will allow us to work backwards to a more
definitive date.
4. The Shadow Rising. The Shadow Rising covers the
shortest period of the four books to date; the action
occupies a period of approximately 30 days in the summer of
998 NE. Unlike the other books, The Shadow Rising permits
us to establish a detailed chronology with some certainty
for almost all of the participants.
The entire group is present in Tear when the book begins,
and remains together there for five days. On the first
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<note 7 of 8>
night (Day 1), the "bubbles" of evil attack Mat, Perrin and
Rand (SR p. 43, 51, 58 ch. 2). Egwene and Elayne attempt
to help Rand learn to control the One Power on the next day
(Day 2) (SR p. 100, ch. 7), and Rand and Elayne spend the
next three days (Days 3-5) together (SR p. 121, 124, 125,
ch. 9). Lanfear visits Rand, and the Trollocs attack the
Stone, on the night of Day 5 (SR p. 126, ch. 9, 10). On
the next day (Day 6), Rand announces his departure to the
nobles of Tear, and the various groups leave Tear, each
feeling the Stone shake as Rand implants Callandor in the
Heart of the Stone (Perrin SR p. 206, 209, ch. 18; Nynaeve
and ElayneSR p. 214, 223, ch. 19). Thereafter, we can
follow each group separately.
Rand, Mat, Egwene, Moiraine and Aviendha reach a Portal
Stone on Day 6, and arrive at Rhuidean that same day; Rand,
Mat and Aviendha enter Rhuidean immediately and Moiraine
enters later that day. Rand and Mat return from Rhuidean
at dawn on the seventh day thereafter (Day 13) (SR p. 386,
ch. 34) and Aviendha and Moiraine return that afternoon.
The party leaves Rhuidean the next day (Day 14), reaching
Imre Stand that night (SR p. 414, ch. 37). From Imre Stand
to Cold Rocks Hold is a journey of somewhat over 11 days;
the group reaches Cold Rocks on the twelfth day (Day 26)
and is attacked by Draghkar that night (SR p. 547, 548,
554, ch. 48, p. 570, 573, ch. 50). Rand leaves the next
morning (Day 27) for Alcair Dal (SR p. 577, ch. 50), a
journey of 3 to 4 days (SR p. 564, ch. 49). The group
arrives early in the day (Day 30, if we allow three full
days, and part of a fourth, for the journey); later that
same day Rand is proclaimed Car'a'carn, battles Asmodean in
Rhuidean and returns to Alcair Dal, where the book ends.
Perrin also leaves Tear on Day 6, spends that day and the
next Day 7) in the Ways (SR p. 310, ch. 27), and reaches
the Manetheren Waygate on the evening of Day 7. The next
three days (Days 8-10) are spent traveling from the
Mountains of Mist to the Westwood (SR p. 326, ch. 29); the
night of Day 10 is spent near the al'Thor farm (SR p. 328,
ch. 29). The next day (Day 11) Perrin visits Emond's Field
(SR p. 328, ch. 29), learns of his family's death, and
meets the Aes Sedai, spending the night in the Westwood.
On the following day (Day 12) (SR p. 358, ch. 32), Perrin
leads the attack on the Whitecloaks and rescues the
prisoners. Six days (Days 13-18) elapse before the ambush
in the Waterwood in which Perrin is wounded (SR p. 458, ch.
40), which occurs on Day 19. Perrin spends that night with
the Tinkers, and is taken to Emond's Field and healed the
next day (Day 20). On the following morning (Day 21) the
Trollocs attack Emond's Field for the first time. On the
night of Day 28 Perrin marries Faile and sends her away
from Emond's Field; seven days have elapsed since the first
attack (SR p. 606, ch. 53). The final Trolloc attack takes
place the next day, on Day 29.
Elayne and Nynaeve also leave Tear on Day 6. Since the
journey by ship to Tanchico takes ten days (SR p. 234, ch.
20; p. 398, ch. 35), presumably including Day 6, they must
arrive in Tanchico on the evening of Day 15. Thus, when
Egwene and Elayne first meet in Tel'aran'rhiod, on the
night of Rand's return from Rhuidean (Day 13), Elayne is
still aboard ship, two to three days away from Tanchico (SR
p. 398, ch. 35). Nynaeve and Elayne begin their search for
the Black Ajah the day after their arrival in Tanchico, Day
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<note 7 of 8>
night (Day 1), the "bubbles" of evil attack Mat, Perrin and
Rand (SR p. 43, 51, 58 ch. 2). Egwene and Elayne attempt
to help Rand learn to control the One Power on the next day
(Day 2) (SR p. 100, ch. 7), and Rand and Elayne spend the
next three days (Days 3-5) together (SR p. 121, 124, 125,
ch. 9). Lanfear visits Rand, and the Trollocs attack the
Stone, on the night of Day 5 (SR p. 126, ch. 9, 10). On
the next day (Day 6), Rand announces his departure to the
nobles of Tear, and the various groups leave Tear, each
feeling the Stone shake as Rand implants Callandor in the
Heart of the Stone (Perrin SR p. 206, 209, ch. 18; Nynaeve
and ElayneSR p. 214, 223, ch. 19). Thereafter, we can
follow each group separately.
Rand, Mat, Egwene, Moiraine and Aviendha reach a Portal
Stone on Day 6, and arrive at Rhuidean that same day; Rand,
Mat and Aviendha enter Rhuidean immediately and Moiraine
enters later that day. Rand and Mat return from Rhuidean
at dawn on the seventh day thereafter (Day 13) (SR p. 386,
ch. 34) and Aviendha and Moiraine return that afternoon.
The party leaves Rhuidean the next day (Day 14), reaching
Imre Stand that night (SR p. 414, ch. 37). From Imre Stand
to Cold Rocks Hold is a journey of somewhat over 11 days;
the group reaches Cold Rocks on the twelfth day (Day 26)
and is attacked by Draghkar that night (SR p. 547, 548,
554, ch. 48, p. 570, 573, ch. 50). Rand leaves the next
morning (Day 27) for Alcair Dal (SR p. 577, ch. 50), a
journey of 3 to 4 days (SR p. 564, ch. 49). The group
arrives early in the day (Day 30, if we allow three full
days, and part of a fourth, for the journey); later that
same day Rand is proclaimed Car'a'carn, battles Asmodean in
Rhuidean and returns to Alcair Dal, where the book ends.
Perrin also leaves Tear on Day 6, spends that day and the
next Day 7) in the Ways (SR p. 310, ch. 27), and reaches
the Manetheren Waygate on the evening of Day 7. The next
three days (Days 8-10) are spent traveling from the
Mountains of Mist to the Westwood (SR p. 326, ch. 29); the
night of Day 10 is spent near the al'Thor farm (SR p. 328,
ch. 29). The next day (Day 11) Perrin visits Emond's Field
(SR p. 328, ch. 29), learns of his family's death, and
meets the Aes Sedai, spending the night in the Westwood.
On the following day (Day 12) (SR p. 358, ch. 32), Perrin
leads the attack on the Whitecloaks and rescues the
prisoners. Six days (Days 13-18) elapse before the ambush
in the Waterwood in which Perrin is wounded (SR p. 458, ch.
40), which occurs on Day 19. Perrin spends that night with
the Tinkers, and is taken to Emond's Field and healed the
next day (Day 20). On the following morning (Day 21) the
Trollocs attack Emond's Field for the first time. On the
night of Day 28 Perrin marries Faile and sends her away
from Emond's Field; seven days have elapsed since the first
attack (SR p. 606, ch. 53). The final Trolloc attack takes
place the next day, on Day 29.
Elayne and Nynaeve also leave Tear on Day 6. Since the
journey by ship to Tanchico takes ten days (SR p. 234, ch.
20; p. 398, ch. 35), presumably including Day 6, they must
arrive in Tanchico on the evening of Day 15. Thus, when
Egwene and Elayne first meet in Tel'aran'rhiod, on the
night of Rand's return from Rhuidean (Day 13), Elayne is
still aboard ship, two to three days away from Tanchico (SR
p. 398, ch. 35). Nynaeve and Elayne begin their search for
the Black Ajah the day after their arrival in Tanchico, Day
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16 (SR p. 456, ch. 39), and are rescued from Gelb's men by
Egeanin after five days of searching, on Day 21 (SR p. 516,
ch. 46). That night they have their first encounter with
Moghedien (SR p. 524, ch. 46). They first learn that
Egeanin is Seanchan after having known her for seven days
(SR p. 579, ch. 51); this would be the night of Day 28.
That night, when Nynaeve meets Egwene in Tel'aran'rhiod,
Egwene is on the road from Cold Rocks Hold to Alcair Dal
(SR p. 590, 591, ch. 52). Elayne and Nynaeve enter the
Panarch's palace, rescue Amathera and confront Moghedien
the next day, Day 29 (SR p. 621, ch. 54).
Although the day-by-day chronology is reasonably clear,
we have no clear indication of exactly when in the year
these events take place. We do know that it is summer in
the Two Rivers (SR p. 316, ch. 27; p. 341, ch. 30) and that
Suroth had begun sending reports to Seanchan "nearly half a
year ago", after solidifying her control of the Forerunners
(SR p. 36, ch. 1). If the battle of Falme took place in
late November or early December of 997 NE, and if it took
some time thereafter for Suroth to consolidate her
position, this would point to a date in late June or early
July.
We also know that by Day 1 news of Rand has been leaving
Tear for two weeks (SR p. 40, ch. 2). Unfortunately, the
chronology of The Dragon Reborn is so vague that we cannot
place the fall of the Stone of Tear with any precision.
However, if we assume, as discussed above, that this occurs
roughly in mid-June of 998 NE, then the action of The
Shadow Rising would begin about July 1. Although this date
is arbitrary, it is unlikely to be very far off. On this
basis, the chronology of The Shadow Rising would be as
follows
Date Event
July 1 "Whirlpools" of evil attack Rand, Mat and
Perrin at night
July 2 Egwene and Elayne attempt to teach Rand to
control the One Power
July 6 Elayne and Nynaeve leave Tear for Tanchico;
Perrin leaves Tear for the Two Rivers; Rand,
Mat, Egwene, Aviendha and Moiraine leave Tear
and arrive at Rhuidean by Portal Stone; Rand,
Mat, Aviendha and Moiraine enter Rhuidean.
July 7 Perrin arrives at Manetheren
July 10 Perrin arrives at al'Thor farm
July 11 Perrin arrives in Emond's Field; learns of
family's death
July 12 Perrin leads rescue of prisoners from
Whitecloaks
July 13 Rand, Mat, Aviendha and Moiraine return from
Rhuidean; Egwene meets Elayne in
Tel'aran'rhiod
July 14 Rand's group leaves Rhuidean and arrives at
Imre Stand; attacked by Trollocs
July 15 Elayne and Nynaeve arrive in Tanchico
July 16 Elayne and Nynaeve begin search for Black Ajah
July 19 Ambush in Waterwood; Perrin wounded, night
spent with Tinkers
July 20 Perrin returns to Emond's Field and is Healed
July 21 First Trolloc attack on Emond's Field; Elayne
and Nynaeve meet Egeanin; encounter with
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Moghedien
July 26 Rand's group arrives at Cold Rocks Hold;
attacked by Draghkar
July 27 Rand's group leaves Cold Rocks Hold for Alcair
Dal
July 28 Perrin and Faile married in Emond's Field;
Elayne and Nynaeve learn that Egeanin is
Seanchan
July 29 Final Trolloc attack on Emond's Field; Elayne
and Nynaeve in Panarch's Palace in Tanchico
July 30 Rand's group arrives at Alcair Dal; Rand
proclaimed Car'a'carn; battle with Asmodean at
Rhuidean
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INFO ON JORDAN FROM FLIER
"About the Author:
Robert Jordan, creator of The Wheel of Time believes
that fantasy is an enduring form of literature because
it reaches "something deep in people; their dreams."
He feels that fantasy literature appeals to a desire
for a simpler time of life with recognizable good and
evil, and that fantasy provides a universe with rules,
order and underlying framework.
The author has both a degree in physics and a
military background, unusual credits for a fantasy
writer.
A lifelong resident of Charleston, South Carolina,
Jordan was born in 1948. With a brother 12 years his
senior, Robert began his education at an early age,
and his future interest in fantastic literature was
inevitable. "When my parents couldn't get a baby-sitter,
they'd get my brother," he recalls. "He would read
to me, not kids' books, but things he was interested
in, like Jules Verne, H.G. Wells and Mark Twain, so
I was exposed to a lot of great fiction.
Jordan served two tours of duty in Vietnam (from
1968-70), earning the Distinguished Flying Cross and
the Bronze star. The Vietnamese twice awarded him
with their Cross of Gallantry. After Vietnam, he entered
the Citadel, the military college of South Carolina,
where he received a degree in physics. In retrospect,
Robert Jordan feels that physics is not such an unusual
background for a fantasy writer. "You can't study
quantum mechanics without a feel for fantasy," he
recently reflected, "Schrodinger's Cat alone will kill
any logical person dead." After attaining his degree,
he was employed by the Navy as a nuclear engineer.
He was hospitalized for an injury which gave him a
great deal of time to catch up on his reading. Jordan
quickly ran out of satisfactory material, and in
exasperation, thought he could probably write as well as
the authors he had been reading. The Wheel of Time is the
happy result.
Robert Jordan has now been writing for 13 years, and
he has been married for ten. He and his wife live
in the Old Historic District of Charleston, in a house
dating from 1797. A history buff, he is particularly
interested in Charleston's past, and in military history.
An outdoors man, Jordan enjoys hunting fishing and
sailing, and the indoor sports of poker, chess and
pool, and collecting pipes (as found in Jordan's flier
and featured in the first issue of "The Chronicles")."
-note: the "Hailing Frequency" Jordan Interview that
was featured in the Waldonbooks' Issue 4 publication was
reprinted with the Walden Book Company, Inc.'s permission
in the Volume I, Issue #2 of "The Chronicles." If you'd
like to obtain that issue, please send $1.50 to The Wheel
of Time Club, P.O. Box 220322, Chantilly, VA, 22022-3022.
(all checks must be made out to Carolyn Fusinato-cash is
great if you feel comforable sending it)
WHY LANFEAR MAY BE GOOD
[<from a letter from Robert Jordan written February 1,
1994> "And Lanfear holding back and doing good for Rand's
sake? Ha! She was psychotically fixed on possessing a man
who never loved her. Even with that, her desire for Rand
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His real name is James O. Rigney, right? I live near him,
BTW (Not to brag or anything...<G>), and I have his phone
number and address. He doesn't live too far away from me.
Anyways, did you get some of this stuff from the Internet,
or AOL? Just curious, because I'm familier with both of the
clubs from these two services, and I have a couple copies of
the FAQ on the Internet. --Jeff
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Gerard/Machin Shin already tried that # and address in the
phone book. Mr. O'Rigney said that that wasn't his house and
some other things in his letter which I will post when I
can... Moiraine
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Oh, okay. Well, then I DON'T have his address and phone
number. <G> It seemed like it would be...it was worth a
try...
--Jeff 12:28 PM ET 7/2/94
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Board: SCIENCE FICTION BB
Topic: ROBERT JORDAN
Subject: EXPORT THIS
To: BJRK57C CAROLYN FUSINATO Date: 07/07
From: BJRK57C CAROLYN FUSINATO Time: 12:47 PM
was as much a desire for power as for him. To be the one
to deliver the Dragon Reborn to the service of the Shadow;
_that_ would set her above the other Forsaken. And
learning that the access _ter'angreal_ for the two huge
_sa'angreal_ were still in existence... Sure, she wanted
his love -- not least because it had been denied her;
Lanfear was a woman who claimed a right to anything she
wanted -- wanted his devotion, but even more than his
body, Lanfear wanted power, the power possibly to replace
the Dark One, even to replace the Creator. For Rand's
sake? Not a chance." <Moiraine/Carolyn Fusinto
BJRK57C@prodigy.com>]
WHAT'S WITH MAT DYING AND LIVING AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN
[Also, the Aiel considers one who is traveling to Rhuidean
"dead." "They are pledged to Rhuidean...Rhuidean belongs
to the dead...They may not speak to the living until they
return...The dead do not speak to the living...We do not
see them until they stand among the living once
more...Begone from among the living, and do not haunt us
with memories of what is lost. Speak not of what the dead
see." <TSR, Cahpter 23, Beyond the Stone, p263> And Mat
died when he was killed by Rhavin and brought back to life
when Rand balefired Rhavin.]
STILLING, GENTLING, AND BURNING OUT/WHAT'S HEALABLE?
"I'm not sure that stilling can be reversed, it doesn't
seem that it could be in the Age of Legends. Lanfear
mentions that Asmodean stilled his mother like it was
irrevocable and cruel. If it was as temporary as a shield,
then I doubt it would have carried that connotation.
However there seems to be a discrepency in the definitions
of "burned out" and stilling. Egwene maintains that
"'Burned out' was what it was called when it happened by
accident; officially, stilling resulted from trial and
sentence. Egwene could not see the point of it, really, it
was like having two words for falling down the stairs,
depending on whether you tripped or were pushed. For that,
most Aes Sedai seemed to see it the same, except when
teaching novices or Accepted."<TSR, Chapter 5,
Questioners, p84>
The Glossary would appear to back up this statement.
"stilling: The act, performed by Aes Sedai, of shutting
off a woman who can channel from the One Power. A woman
who has been stilled can sense the True Source, but cannot
touch it...Officially, stilling is the result of trial and
sentence for a crime. When it happens accidentally, it is
called being burned out. In practice, the word stilling is
often used for both."
If this is the case and "burned out" is merely another
word for "stilling" only the manner of comming to the same
conclusion differing, then there is yet another form of
disconnection from the source. How so?
In TGH, Sheriam describes yet another situation. When the
Aes Sedai were first testing the Accepted ter'angreal,
those that went in shielded and channeled came out her
"abilities burned to nothing, unable to channel, unable
even to sense the True Source." The key being the fact
that this severance from the Source caused the person to
be unable even to sense the True Source. Whatever the
correct term for this situation is, it is evident that
this is a more final degree of seperation than merely
being cut off from the Source. The question that remains
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Board: SCIENCE FICTION BB
Topic: ROBERT JORDAN
Subject: EXPORT THIS
To: BJRK57C CAROLYN FUSINATO Date: 07/07
From: BJRK57C CAROLYN FUSINATO Time: 12:47 PM
in my mind is that, should the condition of being stilled
where one can still sense the True source be cureable can
this greater severance also be Healed?
The noteworthy facet of this other form of stilling is
that it appears to involve a _ter'angreal_ and channeling.
As I have pointed out before merely channeling in Eelfinn
land should not cause stilling because Rand has channeled
while he was inside the red stone _ter'angreal_ with no
adverse effects. I propose that channeling through the
strange sa'angreal might have instead been the cause of
the reaction produced when Moiraine and Lanfear fell
through the doorway. This would indicate that since
Moiraine held the sa'angreal when she fell through the
doorway and she was the one channeling through it then she
was the one who may have experianced this burning out of
one's ability to channel and to sense the source. Further,
it is likely that she and Lanfear were seperated once
inside as occured when Rand, Mat, and Moiraine were in the
other _ter'angreal_ in Tear.
According to the Glossary, those men who are gentled can
still sense the True Source. Thus, it is likely that if
stilling can be Healed, gentling can as well."
<Moiraine/Carolyn Fusinato BJRK57C@prodigy.com>
"Nyneave said it looked or felt like an open wound when she
looked at Suian. That sounds like one of RJ's hints to me,
but then again I didn't expect half of what happened in this
book." Christie Benson
"I agree with all those ideas. One of my pet theories has
always been the Rand "Unstilling" Logian one. I thought it
would happen in the first place because why else would
Logian be in the story? I mean he is given no real
personality other than that of a man who has been stilled.
If he is not going to be cured I can't see why Jordan would
have given him so much time." <Hurin/John Daugherty>
"About stilling, etc.....Anyway, people who can channel
are walking around with an "internal piece of charcoal",
and when they channel, that charcoal ignites. Now, you can
do a lot of things to that burning piece of coal, but as
long as it burns, the person can channel. If a person
channels *too much*, it's like dumping gasoline on the
fire--the flames totally consume the charcoal until there
is nothing left to burn. No charcoal, no channeling, no
matter how much you try to regain the ability. This is
what I consider "burning out".
Now, instead of adding gasoline, suppose someone cuts the
charcoal off from the air, in effect suffocating the
flames. No more fire, no more channeling. But the charcoal
could still burn if allowed access to the air. This is
what I consider gentling or stilling.
In the end the results are the same: no more fire. The
difference is the means--destroy the coal, destroy the
ability. This is why I think stilling & gentling are
reversible, but restoring the "burn out" is not."
<Machin/Gerard Filicko GSFN34A@prodigy.com>
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Topic: ROBERT JORDAN
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To: BJRK57C CAROLYN FUSINATO Date: 07/07
From: BJRK57C CAROLYN FUSINATO Time: 12:47 PM
CHRISTIAN PARALLELS
[Not to forget that Paaren Disen is symbolic for Paradise
which Adam and Eve where cast out of because Eve succombed
to Satan who was in the form of the Serpent, and then
enticed Adam to commit the same sin of eating a fruit from
the Tree of Knowledge and caused him to suffer the same
fate. You'll note that Lanfear/Mierin brought evil into
Paradise by drilling into the Sharom. Pretty sexist if you
ask me. It could also be an allusion to the story of
Pandora. <Moiraine/Carolyn BJRK57C@prodigy.com>]
RANDOM NAMES
[Selene=Among the Greeks Luna, the Roman goddess of the
moon, was called Selene. Whereas Diana (Greek, Artemis)
represented the moon's nocturnal influence on people,
beasts, and plants, Luna was only the symbol of the
regular appearance of the moon. She was shown driving a
chariot with two white horses or riding a mule bearing a
torch.<Carolyn/Moiraine>
Aes Sedai="people of the hill" or "Side" from Celtish
folklore<Kevin Moore/Ishamael>
Rhavin=Probably from the word Ravin. Which means eager
for gratification or to devour.<John/Hurin (prodigy)>
Possibly from the Hindu demon Ravana who abducted Rama's
wife(Morgase?) to Ceylon(Caemlyn?). <Moiraine/Carolyn and
Hopper/Linda Gerding>
"Asmodean- Easy one, Asmodeus. Asmodeus was either a chief
devil or the devil, depending on the source you look at.
Be'lal- This one is Hebrew. Name for something without use
or a wicked person.
Graendal- Most likely a reference to the monster Grendle
found in the story of Beowulf. Grendle was more monster
than demon but thats because the Norse loved monsters so
much.
Ishamael- Hebrew again. Means a man whose hand is raised
against every man and every man's hand is against him.
Also one at war with society. That fits the betrayer of
hope to perfection.
Rahvin- Probably from the word Ravin. Which means eager
for gratification or to devour. Once again that
description fits our man just right.
Sammael- This was the name of Satan when he was still an
Arch Angel. I know everyone says Lucifer is his name but
like I said we're dealing with various sources here.
Several people confirmed the Sammael=Satan connection.
Semirhage- This one I was never sure of but I think this
is a name for one of Satan's sub commanders. Possibly from
"Paradise Lost". Also a hag or Hagge is a female demon or
witch. hence Semihag would translate an almost demon like
witch woman. I can't remember, was Semirhage a female? Is
sothe second definition is probably right. That's all I
could find or guess at but I'm sure Jordan dug up the
other names from somewhere. He's very find of switching a
letter here and there. Oh yeah, I looked up my Shayol
Ghul thing too. Sheol is the hebrew word for grave. Ghu
is a demon that devours men. So the actual translation
would be "Grave of the demon that devours
men"."<John/Hurin BWSF33B@prodigy.com>]
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Board: SCIENCE FICTION BB
Topic: ROBERT JORDAN
Subject: EXPORT THIS
To: ALL Date: 07/02
From: BJRK57C CAROLYN FUSINATO Time: 2:51 AM
Well, I didn't finish, sorry. I'm going on vacation. C-ya on
Tuesday....Moiraine