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001=Usr:0 Null User 06/30/87 20:34 Msg:0 Call:0 Lines:19
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1$If you are in need of help, you need but ask...
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2$************************* 16 DEC 91 **************************************
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3$Welcome to BWMS II (BackWater Message System II) Mike Day System operator
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4$**************************************************************************
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5$GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS II IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION
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6$ PLACED ON THIS SYSTEM.
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7$BWMS II was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS II is a privately
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8$owned and operated system which is currently open for use by the general
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9$public. No restrictions are placed on the use of the system. As the
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10$system is privately owned, I retain the right to remove any and all
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11$messages which I may find offensive. Because of the limited size of the
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12$system, it will be periodically purged of messages (only 999 lines of data
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13$can be saved). To leave a message, type 'ENTER'. Use ctrl/C to get out
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14$the ENTER mode. The message is automatically stored. If after entering
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15$the message you find you made a mistake, use the replace command to
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16$replace the line. To exit from the system, type 'BYE' then hang up.
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17$Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system.
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18$**************************************************************************
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19$
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002=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 12/16/91 19:38 Msg:6913 Call:38985 Lines:4
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20 Never believe on faith, see for yourself!
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21 What you don't learn, you can't know.
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22 - Bertolt Brecht
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23 **************************************************************
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003=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 12/16/91 19:59 Msg:6914 Call:38986 Lines:22
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24 &*&*&*&*'s
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25 At the Top! (Some traditions never die.)
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26
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27 It was probably obvious that I was a wee bit steamed at the end of the last
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28 disk. I still am a bit on the annoyed side. I won't bother to repeat why.
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29 I would however like apologize for the tone I took. I have my good days, and
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30 I have my bad days. The approach I took was not a good one.
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31
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32 Frustration can make us do foolish things. It can make us hurt ourselves, and
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33 try to hurt others. My personal integrity is VERY important to me. I don't
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34 really have much else. When people accuse me of being a stodgy for a boss
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35 That I've spoken to maybe half a dozen times in the last 3+ years... Lets
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36 just say it seems silly.
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37
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38 It is very easy to be half assed in ones opinions and beliefs. Information is
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39 hard to come by. Fatigue is inevitable. Our best efforts net maybe half the
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40 information we really need to know what is going on. Caution and persoverence
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41 are good traits, as is the ability to change over time. I pity you if you
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42 believe that all the views you now hold are correct.
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43
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44 An Astral Dreamer
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45 &*&*&*&*'s (Just passing the time.)
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004=Usr:322 Stray Cat 12/17/91 01:47 Msg:6915 Call:38988 Lines:10
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46 XXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXXOXOXOOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO
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48 Sounds like dear Dr. Doran Duran'sgoing into "Taxi Driver" mode. I
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49 wonder of he's a another casualty of the school system.Why doesn't
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50 SOMEBODY *DO* a bo?????
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51
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52 AD: It doesn't really matter if I shoot myself in the foot or not.
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53 I'd already been crippled anyway ... I attend PPS and then worked for
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54 'em 10 yea. In actual truth, in my 10 years employment, I ACTUALLY
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55 regressed. You can hardly get a job anymore withouWord Perfect exper-
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005=Usr:322 Stray Cat 12/17/91 07:40 Msg:6916 Call:38992 Lines:18
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56 ience, and if you remember we had to THREE TIMES as much foan
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57 ated ineffecve program by Billiams' decree (and
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58 I heard he didn't even know how to run a comter).
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59
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60 And WHAT are you building in Evaluation anyway ... a bigger police state?
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61 A huge PGE-type databasee on teachers and students that you can sell (like
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62 to PSUHathaway uses to snow the board and the rest of the country
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63 howonderful He is ... but also when necessary to show how ineffective
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64 an "undesirable" teacher may be doing??? I bet the amount of money used
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65 to build up that horrible machine can't even begin to be counted it's been
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66 hidden in other budgets so well. Somebody told me the otheday he learned
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67 in collidge that the only thing evaluation testing evaluates is the stupid-
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68 ity of the author. I think PPS said as much about the state's system.
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70 And speaking of build-up ... what do you think of police officers in the
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71 high schools? I thought Measure 5 was to REDUCE spending. When I worked
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72 at the ad bldg there were only 6 officers, I believe.
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006=Usr:322 Stray Cat 12/17/91 08:05 Msg:6917 Call:38993 Lines:3
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74 XOXOXOXOX Do you ever feel IT's so hopeless you WISH somebody'd finger
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75 The Button XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOOX
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007=Usr:322 Stray Cat 12/17/91 13:03 Msg:6918 Call:39002 Lines:5
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77
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78 But you should be PROUD, AD, because even though His last program didn't
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79 have anything to do with the subject, He summed up his last Town Hall
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80 with almost a direct quote from one of your sermons. Why doesn't PPS
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008=Usr:322 Stray Cat 12/17/91 13:09 Msg:6919 Call:39003 Lines:2
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82 put you on its administrative staff. You sure seem more articulate than
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83 most administrators I've gotten The Word from.
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009=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 12/17/91 15:22 Msg:6920 Call:39004 Lines:52
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84 &*&*&*&*'s
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85 There is good evaluation, and there is bad evaluation. Guess what? 99% of
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86 it tends to be atleast a little bad. Even if the intent is good, (Which I
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87 truelly believe ours is, I ought to know, I work with the people who put the
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88 PALTS together.) the results can still be used to bad ends. Our department
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89 passes out a lot of information. Does it ever get abused? Probably. Mot
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90 Most of the problems are a result of ignorence. We recently stoped reporting
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91 % scores for the PALT. Why? Because teachers were looking only at the
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92 %'s (Which are darned near meaningless) and not at the rit score. (Which
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93 is an absolute measure of student performance. IE, student A would be given
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94 a fairly hard test, because past performance had indicated that that
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95 test was appropriate. Student B would be given an easier test, also bassed
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96 on past performance. Say student A got 48% of the questions correct, and
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97 student B got 53%. Some teachers were assuming that that meant that student
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98 B had done better then student A, when in fact, student A had a rit score
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99 of 220, while student B had a rit score of 205.
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101 The PALT (Portland Achievment Level Test) is a series of tests. Currently,
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102 They are given in grades 3 thru 8. in each grade we have a series, the
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103 number tends to vary somewhat, but is ussually around 6 or so. Each of
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104 these tests is aimed at a student who is performing at a certain level.
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105 The goal of the test is to get the most information abou how the
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106 student is performing in various areas. These areas, or goals are set
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107 by the curriculam department. The information is put into many reports,
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108 including reports to parents, teachers, principles, and board members.
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109 I'd assume much of the non student specific data is also available to the
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110 public.
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111
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112 The purpose of these reports is to help parents, teachers and administrators
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113 make informed decisions about how they teach and administer. There are not
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114 intended to be the only measure, especially in the classroom. Teachers
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115 Have an immense advantage in that they know their students on a personal
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116 basis. They get to see the students perform, both in class and on assignments.
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117 It is the stated policy of the R&E department, and I've heard it voiced many
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118 times, that teachers and parents have to have the final say.
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119
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120 But, the school board needs objective info when setting long term policies.
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121 If certain minority groups are doing especially poorly, they need and want
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122 t know. PPS has started many programs over the years to help underachieving
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123 students.
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124
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125 Makeing informed decisions is vital. Good evaluation is an immensly valuable
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126 tool, but thats all it is. Tools can be used for good or bad. Throwing
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127 away the tool would be silly. Its much easier to build a home with a hammer
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128 and nails, then it is with the nails missing.
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129
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130 And as for me being articulate, Thanks. To bad I come of as an idiot in
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131 person, sigh.
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132
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133 An Astral Dreamer
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134 &*&*&*&*'s (Strange how our expectations lower as we get older.)
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010=Usr:660 Rick Young 12/17/91 16:26 Msg:6921 Call:39005 Lines:21
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136@ +{`O+RRCHACH +=O#'[}-+\
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137@
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138 /+-{]`#O=+ RORSCHACH +=O#'[}-+\
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141 12-17-91
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143 Abandoned baby buggy on back street alley. Mother gone. Baby too. Could only
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144 hope they were together. Hard to sa with today's moral climate.
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145
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146 Across the city have seen people sraying the words "Have you got the balls" on
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147 store sides and walls. Is the revolution proceeding without sponsorship? Is
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148 someone out there waiting for society to come and get him/her?
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150 President still declines recognition of the recession. On the lighter side he
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151 is scheduled for optomitrists appointment this week. Maybe he'll read what's
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152 on the taxpayer's lips for a change. So what if he meant "Know new taxes", it
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153 wasn't personal. Maybe when he's assinated or removed from office by an
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154 unhappy country he'll know it wasn't personal.
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156 /+-{]`#O=+ RORSCHACH +=O#'[}-+\
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011=Usr:322 Stray Cat 12/17/91 18:37 Msg:6922 Call:39007 Lines:9
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158 XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOOOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO
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160 I suppose AD woulwho was repeated rawhile
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161 y in a local hospital but
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162 lost her case in the Oregon Supreme Court a neurotic whiner
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164 too huh???
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012=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 12/17/91 19:48 Msg:6923 Call:39009 Lines:13
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166 &*&*&*&*'s
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167 Yow, that last one was garbled. Who'd I call a neurotic whiner? The
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168 implication was there I'll admit, but how the h*ll would I know for sure?
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170 As for the Judge Thomas fiasco, I don't know who was telling the truth. I
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171 remember posting my feelings on sexual harrasment at the time, so I won't
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172 bother to do so again.
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173
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174 BTW, thanks for makeing this interactive.
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176 An Astral Dreamer
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177 &*&*&*&*'s (The end never justifies the means)
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013=Usr:658 Justin Klein 12/17/91 22:18 Msg:6924 Call:39015 Lines:31
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179 -------------------------=Justin the Blue=-----------------------------
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180 I'm glad the disk finally got changed...I've got to admit, though, the
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181 debate going on between Astral Dreamer and someone who's name isnt' all
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182 that obvious.
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183
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184 We are all faced with an interesting daily dilemma...do we want to
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185 be pure ideologues...or do we want to eat and sleep in a warm
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186 place of our (temporary) own? This may not be what 'Dreamer's situation
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187 is, but the reference to having integrity questioned and that it seemed
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188 to be connected to whatever it is that 'Dreamer does for a living made
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189 me reflect on the personal compromises that we all make each day just to
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190 get along.
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191
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192 I've come to the personal conclusion that the small daily battles
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193 are important, but if they are lost every other time it doens't matter
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194 so much as the big picture: to thine own self be true. If we can afford
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195 to live our lives along pure ideals, fine. Nobody should be blamed
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196 if they have to make a compromise to get along though.
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197
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198 I wouldn't like to use petroleum at all. But I gotta get to work.
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199 I don't like the things that happen to produce electricity, but I find
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200 them necessary. I don't like trees dying, but I have to have paper to
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201 draw on (I haven't yet found drafting vellum made of recycled materials).
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202
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203 I've lived my life honestly, though. And I don't think that that's more
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204 than anyone has a right to expect of another.
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206 -------------------------=Justin the Blue=--------------------------------
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207 Since I'm a new guy again I deserved the top of the disk. 'Dreamer, you
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208 are a pooker.
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209 --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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014=Usr:663 Brittania Klein 12/18/91 02:21 Msg:6925 Call:39019 Lines:7
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210 >>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>> Yo! <<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<
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211 C'mon, Justin, you hit the top a couple of times, as I remember.
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212 Anyway.....
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213
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214 <sigh> Where are the days of old when time was freer and so was a lot else?
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215
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216 >>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>> Britt <<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>>
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015=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par 12/18/91 03:06 Msg:6926 Call:39021 Lines:1
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016=Usr:322 Stray Cat 12/18/91 06:41 Msg:6927 Call:39023 Lines:5
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218 (O)(O)(O)(O)(O)(O)(O)(O)(O)(O)(O)(O)(O)(O)(O)(O)(O)(O)(O)(O)(O)(O)(O)(O)(O)
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219
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220 So I wonder how much the wonderful Hospital/Good Doctors made off this
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221 woman's surgery???
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017=Usr:322 Stray Cat 12/18/91 07:16 Msg:6928 Call:39024 Lines:19
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223
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224 ****************************************************
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226 Hmmmmmmm ... funny story in the paper today about the Browns. I'd heard
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227 the senior Mr. Brown got prostrate cancer some time after the rape convic-
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228 tion. Mr. Brown helped me moved my compost down to my new place about
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229 this time and I went to his house to pay him. Jackie was staying there
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230 and was in a chair in a fetal position. Mrs. Brown, a darling old woman
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231 (looked much older than Mr. Brown) was very cheerful and chipper and offered
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232 me a cup of tea. I saw Al Brown repeatedly over the years taking walks in
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233 the neighborhood looking very sad ... and he didn't seem to have Alzheimers.
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234 What worries me is that I was told the owner of the gas station that lived
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235 right across the street has the same name as a person convicted of murder
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236 earlier this year.
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238 But I suppose they must KNOW what their doing down there ... hopefully more
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239 than they know about neighborhood tax assessors, policemen, nursing home
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240 owners, truck stope owners, sewer departments, land developers/deedholders,
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244 etc. ... but then maybe those CRIMES are "legal." Hard to tell most of the
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245 time.
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247 %#%#%%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#
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249 Interesting reading the "small" PPS staff directory. I see where a former
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250 Board member holds the same position for the district as Marge does for
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251 the City. Funny, I noticed in some Board "Minutes" (if they still publish
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252 them) that another former Board member (or someone with a coincidentally
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253 identical rather uncommon name) receives large" legal fees from PPS too.
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255 #%#%#% Rieke's college-aged receptionist has the same name as one of the
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256 former's too ... probably just a coincidence, same as for Sean Hathaway of
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257 Hathaway
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258 the same office #%##%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#
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259 &*&*&*&*'s
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260 Please elaborate on the Hathaway thing. As far as I know, Walt is the only
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261 one that works for the district. His kids are all around 20 or so I
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262 believe, and his familey is not from around here as far as I know.
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264 Oh no, could it be? coincidence?
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266 An Astral Dreamer
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267 &*&*&*&*'s
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269 /+-{]`#O=+ RORSCHACH +=O#'[}-+\
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271 12-18-91
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273 So many names and numbes. Two more weeks and I'll be back in the running. How
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274 can I love it and hate it at the same time?
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276 Bar your doors and lock your shutter. I'm back on the street and lost in the
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277 shuffle.
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279 /+-{]`#O=+ RORSCHACH +=O#'[}-+\
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281 -------------------------=Justin the Blue=-------------------------------
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282
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283 True Love defined: I just discovered that Morton Downey, Jr. (remember
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284 him, babies?) found a cute wife while he was still famous. So, here he is,
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285 at the bottom, close to bankruptcy, and guess what...she's still with him.
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286 He was an ugly, idiotic putz. This is True Love and Devotion [tm]. Ask
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287 for it by name.
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288
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289 From the Theatre of the Cruel: what I wish Marko Haggard's disclaimer
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290 REALLY disclaim on the Channel 2 News:
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292 "The opinions expressed by Marko Haggard are not those of KATU, its
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293 staff and employees. Also, it's not shared by most of Marko's brain
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294 cells, many members of Mensa, cute small fuzzy animals like cats and
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295 bunnies, and the elephant's up and Washington Park. Rumors that a
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296 small dog once spotted on the corner of The Alameda and NE 57th Ave,
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297 just under the statue of George Washington, cannot be substatiated
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298 as the pooch has disappeared mysteriously."
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300 Actually, I like Marko's opinions. He's a well spoken individual,
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301 and amazingly clear headed. I do wonder Exactly Who He Is and Where
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302 He Came From, though.
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304 Think on this: I don't trust any elected official who needs to be
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305 addressed by other than thier first name. I don't think You should,
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306 either.
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308 Most of need to be referred to by title. Says something.
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309 -------------------------=Justin the Blue=--------------------------------
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310 XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOX
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312 Just so's I'm not accused of ather type of ingore-ancethe Clarence
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313 Thomas type, f instance), before I start another of my repetitive
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314 tirades, let me clear up a few ambiguities I've left with such
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315 adoring crown <grin> (I know most of you wish I'd just drop dead what
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316 wi the loyalty clauses written into your many employment cont
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317 (REALLY, check out your job descriptions and evaluation forms) but ...)
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319 About the new Free Way toull Mt.: call it a freeway because the folks
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320 that "need" it and are most " it (in ERY sense of the
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321 word) will get it FREhile the resus are taxed ontots to
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322 starve in the winter cold). I could probably correctly presume that
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323 the Ames/Johnsons (who own the South half of the ve enough money
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324 to pay somebody amply (or enough Friends) to make sure They DON'T pay
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325 for nuthing, but I've also noticed what seems like a scam in many
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326 of these mini-mansion Projects favorite son" developers, liken
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327 Bull Mt. (AND even tacky revolting developments like Citadel Est).
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328 It seems like theseces/hovels (whichever) rotate "membership"
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329 about every three years, meaning they sell or, more likely,
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330 go bankrupt when Their interest is paid off and they dont stand to have
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331 it all "tax returned" to them when they start paying on Their principals.
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332 And never mind what Father Faust said about BANKRUPTCY ... we all know
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333 certain "Members" will get Their loans regardless, especially if they
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334 have "friendly" Bankers or Developers/Deedholders (or City/County Commis-
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335 sioner friendswho may have many side-scams going. I mean really, can
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336 you IMAGINE what it'd be like if we ALL thought we deserveduch privi-
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337 ledges???? NOTHING would work RIGHT no more. Know what I mean??
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338 &*&*&*&*'s
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339 Alas, if only there weren't so many badly garbled messages here on good
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340 old BWMS II. Uploads are tricky, and it strikes me that some people should
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341 have given up on them by now.
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342
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343 Heres they lyrics to a song I wrote a couple of months back. When I looked
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344 at it again recently, it really scared me. I thought it was just about
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345 being depressed, but I think it goes farther then that.
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346
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347 Been living here so long
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348 Don't know what went wrong
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349 Try to understand, but it takes so long.
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350
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351 A feather in my cap
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352 A fortune in my heart
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353 I hear the sirens call, wonder where it leads.
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354 I hear the sirens call, wonder where it leads.
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355 I hear the sirens call, wonder where it leads.
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357 Money is the answer
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358 Or is it love?
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359 Can I have both, someday I'll know.
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360
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361 A garden side chat
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362 Can that be all
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363 Falling off this bridge, and it seems so far
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364 Falling off this bridge, and it seems so far
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365 Falling off this bridge, and it seems so far
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366
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367 Not an upbeat song, but it just seems to fit together so well. I write a lot
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368 of poetry, most of it garbage. But once in awhile I write something that
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369 really has meaning for me. I can write meaningless drivel, but it feels
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370 just like meaningless drivel.
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371
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372 I don't even always understand what I am writing at first, its almost as if
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373 my sub concious is trying to communicate to me thru the words I write.
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374
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375 It's really hard for me to be verbose in verse. I like to get as much as
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376 possible across in the fewest amount of words, to encapsulate some
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377 facet of my life in four or five versus.
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378
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379 Oh well, enough for now. Its well past time for me to start writting
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380 short stories again. I've even got a semi interesting background
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381 worked out. Maybe in the next week or two.
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383 An Astral Dreamer
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384 &*&*&*&*'s (I heard it in a dream)
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386 XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO
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387
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388 You DO have soul AD, so I'll ignore the pointed sarcasm in the last para-
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389 grap <grin>. And I'm sorry I was so rudely interrupted. I had to hang
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390 up because of the LINE NOISE, which if I were presumptous and paranoid I
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391 think MIGHT be PGE sending power surges, but I don't so I'm not. I
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392 will try to go back and "correct" what looks like gibberish above, but I
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393 swear it's my COMPUTER thats SICK ***NOT ME*** <grin>.... so here's the
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394 rest of the above story.
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395
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396 But who knows, maybe "Big Business" (or "Big Government") is buying 'em
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397 for Ther employees, too. I got wind not long ago of a local Institution
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398 looking to pay $28,000 per year **JUST FOR YARDWORK ALONE** for one of
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399 Their Benevolent Regent Figureheards .and THIS on top of a humungous
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400 salary PLUS a free house (and god(dess) only KNOWS what ELSE).
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401
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402 And about KATU ... In my own uttermost Humble Opinion, I think of all
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403 the Channels THEY are the most propagandistic ... or bought off, or
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404 whatever. And I resent it that they think we're such insecure idiots
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405 that we need the NEWS?? presented to us by matching pairs of "couples"
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406 I also hated it when we were all forced into witnessing the "inside" of
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407 their offce politics ... like when now Sleezecaster Bill O'Reilly was
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408 Here and He and Jeffie would perform their great rolling of eyes over
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409 Richard Ross. I got te impression they dd the same thing to David Apple,
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410 but then I might just be to "sensitive" to these things, what with my
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411 cumulative experience and 10 years at the school district and all (whee
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412 I found these types of behaviors fostered thru Executive/Board/Union
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413 Modeling and Mandate).
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414
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415 And let me also apologize for repeatedly misusing the term "ADMINISTRA-
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416 TIVE" in former invectives about PPS (and COP). I don't mean to imply
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417 that ALL Administrators aretic brutes LIKE DAN KLEE. I refer
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418 mostly to the Executive staff who Develop ad Defend Dominator-Type
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419 Administrators LIKE Dan Klee (and Ron Hanlon, Jeff Sachtler, Sue
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420
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422@ /+-{]`#O=+RRCAH+O'}-+\
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423@
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424 /-]#= RORSCHACH +=O#'[}-+\
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425
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426 12-19-91
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428 Rich politicians distribute the wealth, but they're afraid that we'll run away
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429 and never better ourselves down on the inside. They're building statues of
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430 steel.
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431
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432 Protect me from your enemies. And there they sit with their children weeping.
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433
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434 If you dont want me taggin along why dont you turn around and tell me so,
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435 instad of wasting my time. But on the horizon it's so hard to tell. Help me
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436 up to touch the sky, don't keep me down on the ground by broken promises.
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437
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438 And the wheel turns again. How much can one see from a window in the city?
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439 From the right perspective you can see it all.
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440
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441 /+-{]`#O=+ RORSCHACH +=O#'[}-+\
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442
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443 &*&*&*&*'s
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444 Try to ignore me if I get testy. I've been in a really bad mood lately.
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445
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446 Reminds me of another verse
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447
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448 Cryin out with no hope or asperation
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449 Reaching for the common touch, which is above your station.
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450
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451 An Astral Dreamer
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452 &*&*&*&*'s (Sometimes good things happen)
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453
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454 ^#^#^#^#^#^#^#^#^#^#^#^##^#^#^#^#^#^#^#^#^#^#^#^#^#^#^#^#^#^#^#^#^#^#^#
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456
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457 WHY doesn't PPS have a union like the STATE employees??? And
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458 I wonder if they wouldn't be a better "replacement" tn PAT???? But
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459 hey, may they're the ones I should be "talking to" huh? They MIGHT
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460
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461 even know IF there IS a GOOD lawyer (NOT Liar). I should
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462 at least SHOW them my "stuff" from PPS Executives.
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463 --------------------------=Justin the Blue=------------------------------
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464
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465 About the news: It doesn't matter whether or not the game is rigged.
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466 Complaining about the news being biased or the media's bias...either way...
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467 is tantamount to saying "I can't think for myself, I'm helpless from
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468 having my mind molded by the TV." The truth is hidden, but it's not
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469 impossible to find.
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470 I watch the TV with my #10 Bullshit filter in permanent place. I don't
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471 depend on anyone to sort out what they tell me. I listen to a lot of
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472 Talk Radio: between Rush Limbaugh and Ray Taliaferro, I compute the
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473 average and figure the truth is right about there, in the middle. I realize
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474 that people are greedy inherently; therefore, when pols and corp execs
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475 cheat and lie and steal, I'm not surprised; and if I'm clever enough
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476 that day, I can do an end run around it and save my soul and my mind if
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477 not my money.
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478 I also don't believe that everyone in the news business is out to lie
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479 to you. That doesn't mean, though, that I think they tell me the truth
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480 all the time.
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481
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482 The only truth I know about folx who complain about the news being
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483 biased or unfair is that they usually have an ox being gored somwhere
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484 or the other.
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485
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486 On the subject of unions: unions are made of people, and people do the
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487 organizing. If you want a Labor union in your workplace, organize one.
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488 Contact AFSCME, for instance; they certainly can be of advice, if noting
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489 else. Or, if they don't, just get the talk started amongst those you
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490 trust for good advice. There's safety in numbers...but the numbers
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491 don't just happen.
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492 Anyone can organize. You are more powerful than you think.
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493 --------------------------=Justin the Blue=----------------------------
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494 An opinionated son of a bitch. Yes, babies.
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495 -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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496 /+-{]`#O=+ RORSCHACH +=O#'[}-+\
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498@12-20
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500 12-20-91
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501
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502 The rain beats against the walls of the city like the men in the padded cells.
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503 Trying to get in and cleanse themselves from the infected sanitized rooms
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504 society expects us to stay in like well trained dogs.
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505
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506 Our leashs can be broken.
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507
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508 The city holds itself in a cell, and we can only move about it, or break free
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509 of it. You must choose.
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511 /+-{]`#O=+ RORSCHACH +=O#'[}-+\
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513 ----------------------=Justin the Blue=-------------------------------
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514 The city imprisons only those on our level who wish to be imprisoned.
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515 I was money-poor, but broke free and left for another place where I could
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516 reestablish perspective and grow in a worldly way.
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517
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518 I do not return willingly to a prison. If someone wishes to call me
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519 imprisoned, that is fine; by the same token, I am not offbase to suggest
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520 that the suggestion is very mistaken.
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521
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522 It can be argued that we are "leashed" to something. But it can
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523 also be suggested that the leash is a result of a general lack of
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524 ambition. There are indeed circumstances that we cannot control that
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525 are stifiling us. They are not pervasive. The trick is to learn
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526 to discern between what you cannot change, what you can change, and
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527 what you can avoid. To suggest that we are all completely puppets
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528 is to suggest that we shouldn't even bother to get up in the AM. I,
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529 for one, find that thought repulsive.
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530
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531 Angst is fine, but angst is not all. Man cannot make a difference
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532 with angst alone, and if you know how, angst can be a fun toy.
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533 --------------------------=Justin the Blue=----------------------------
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534 Because sky blue is my favorite color...not because life is pointless.
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535 -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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536 &*&*&*&*'s
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537
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538 In a dream I wandered thru a museum. It contained pictures that were
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539 scenes from my life. I saw the sadness and the anger, but I also saw the hope.
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540
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541 I saw the little things that brought me down, the put downs and the jokes.
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542 But on this second viewing I realized they had no real weight.
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543
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544 My journey continued for many hours, the pictures a walk of life.
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545 The trip a needed reminiscing, their scenes broad with my life.
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546
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547 I saw many views within, to many, far to many. The looking out scenes
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548 lost amoungst the navel gazing angst.
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549
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550 And then I came to a new place. Construction, building onto it. New
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551 pictures to be painted, new images to view.
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552
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553 I thought of the unbalance, and swore that I would try. To look outside
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554 and see the world, for someday I must die.
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555
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556 The price the inner lookers pay is to always live withing. To never
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557 live within in the world, to miss the obvious.
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558
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559 Hid inside too much, too much. These new wing of the museum must be filled
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560 with the outside, but I know I cannot rush.
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561
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562 The easy journey is taken and forgotten. Seldom do we ever comment on the
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563 short and easy trip.
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564
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565 I'd walked into the present. There I stood to wait. Lived to long in the
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566 past now. There is no turning back.
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567
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568 An Astral Dreamer
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569 &*&*&*&*'s (When the verse flows.)
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570
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037=Usr:657 Shrew kate 12/21/91 08:53 Msg:6952 Call:39079 Lines:11
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571 XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO Uhhhh, pass the Underwear, please .
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572
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573 and the Other Sadistic Brutes and Brutesses I wished to list when I was
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574 so rudely kicked off the system <grin/m> were:
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575
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576 Parker, Myra Rose, Linda Simington & Ancestors & Family,
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577 Candy and John-Bill Beck, Sharon Clouser, Prth, Bob Williams &
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578 Harem (en though Bob suddenly vanished in to thin air), Merle Brad-
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579 ford & Ed Smiust the mention of which, I've observed, causes
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580 trembling) and of course Head Brute Don McElroy.
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581
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038=Usr:657 Shrew kate 12/21/91 09:51 Msg:6953 Call:39080 Lines:3
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582 XOXOXOXOX Excuse, make that PANTIES. "Pass the Panties" IS much nastier,
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583 after all.
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584
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585
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586 To say nuthin' of the Titation value <PANT PANT, SLURP SLURP ...
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587 (sniffsniff)>
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588
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040=Usr:660 Rick Young 12/21/91 12:18 Msg:6955 Call:39084 Lines:16
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589 /+-{]`#O=+ RORSCHACH +=O#'[}-+\
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590
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591 12-21-91
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592
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593 On way home today watched small kitten run over by T-Max. Kitten sat there,
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594 hissing, but not giving ground. Max Operator didn't see the cat. After the
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595 train passed it was hard to miss it, strewn about the track for a good 20 feet.
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596
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597 We are much like the cat. Some stay their ground and dont give in. Some hate
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598 the rain and the feel of it. Bury their heads between the swollen teats of
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599 indulgence and gratification, piglets squirming beneath a sow for shelter.
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600
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601 But there is no shelter. And the future is bearing down like an express train.
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602
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603 /+-{]`#O=+ RORSCHACH +=O#'[}-+\
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604
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041=Usr:322 Stray Cat 12/21/91 14:23 Msg:6956 Call:39085 Lines:7
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605
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606 xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo
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607
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608 BTW, Linda S., Eleanor-Hera and Myra all worked together with
|
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609 Evaluation on the TRIAL social studies implementation. Maybe THIS
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610 Trinity should be the subject of a REAL social study.
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611
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042=Usr:658 Justin Klein 12/22/91 02:24 Msg:6957 Call:39094 Lines:41
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612 -----------------------=Justin the Blue=--------------------------------
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613 Anyone has any Commodore disk drives that they are willing
|
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614 to let go of cheap?
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615
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616 I have a Commodore Plus/4. It's a neat little machine, not as
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617 graphics or sound capable as the '64 (no sprites and only three voices
|
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618 for sound), but it has some good built in software (word processor,
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619 spreadsheet), and I'd like to use it for personal projects...perhaps
|
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620 even a bbs some day in the future.
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621
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622 Only problem is, I've no storage for it. Disk drives, I mean. Or
|
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623 maybe even a lowly Commodore Datassette...I could settle with that for
|
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|
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624 now, to get things rolling. I'm going to use a trashy B/W TV for the
|
|||
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625 monitor. Disk storage is the thing.
|
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626
|
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627 Reason I'm looking for a price-favor is because we are a little cash-
|
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628 poor after our move in from Corvallis and Christmas and all, and I
|
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629 don't think I'm out of line assuming that there's someone who would
|
|||
|
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630 like to get rid of some old Commodore peripherals enough that they'd
|
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|
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631 nearly give them away; hell, someone gave the the Plus/4 for nothing.
|
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|
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632 It's a neat lil' machine I'd really like to put to work.
|
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633
|
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634 WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR:
|
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635
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636 Commodore 1541 or 1551 Disk drive
|
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637 (at least one, two would be great)
|
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638 OR....Commodore 1531 Datassette.
|
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639
|
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640 WHAT I CAN PAY:
|
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641 Not much right now. If there's someone
|
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|
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642 Who really wants to get rid of thier
|
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643 old 1541's or 1551's, email me here
|
|||
|
|
644 (user number 658), on Artistic Licence
|
|||
|
|
645 (user name: Justin the Blue), or
|
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|
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646 justink@m2xenix.psg.com (eagle@agora.rain.com,
|
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|
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647 once batie can get it running again).
|
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|
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648 OR...call my answering machine at 234-xxxx.
|
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|
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649 Who knows...maybe we can make a deal.
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650
|
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651 advTHANKSance,
|
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652 ------------------------=Justin the Blue=-------------------------------
|
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043=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 12/22/91 03:22 Msg:6958 Call:39095 Lines:6
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653 &*&*&*&*'s
|
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654 One mans lurk is another mans short message.
|
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655
|
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656 An Astral Dreamer
|
|||
|
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657 &*&*&*&*'s (In the early morning hours.)
|
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658
|
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044=Usr:322 Stray Cat 12/22/91 06:20 Msg:6959 Call:39096 Lines:9
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659 XOXOXOXOXXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO
|
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660
|
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661 I suppose I SHUDDA been more furious about Prophet all this time
|
|||
|
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662 because, like Clarence Thomas he cudda/SHUDDA made
|
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|
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663 a difference. Certainly, saying that he'd defend
|
|||
|
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664 Don McElroy to his dying breath
|
|||
|
|
665 should indicate there's some kinda serious
|
|||
|
|
666 problem.
|
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667
|
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045=Usr:322 Stray Cat 12/22/91 06:48 Msg:6960 Call:39097 Lines:7
|
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668
|
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|
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669
|
|||
|
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670 W (and still catching up on my ignore-ance, another thing
|
|||
|
|
671 that bothered me about KATU is that they always seemed to refer to them-
|
|||
|
|
672 selves as CELEBRITIES. They're NOW using Jim Apple's cat to
|
|||
|
|
673 retract any such arrogance, however.
|
|||
|
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674
|
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046=Usr:322 Stray Cat 12/22/91 07:01 Msg:6961 Call:39098 Lines:5
|
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675
|
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|
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676 RORSCHACH: Did you analyze the grease spots? Maybe you could put your finding
|
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|
|
677
|
|||
|
|
678 through PPS' psychometric testing program and send the results to PGE/DMV???
|
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|
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679
|
|||
|
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047=Usr:322 Stray Cat 12/22/91 07:11 Msg:6962 Call:39099 Lines:5
|
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680 P>S> There are millions of miles of grease spots you in your exalte"intelligen
|
|||
|
|
681 system have overlooked. BTW, inputting on this system
|
|||
|
|
682 is too much like working at PPS. It's too much of a hassle and there are
|
|||
|
|
683 too many obstacles to overcome.
|
|||
|
|
684
|
|||
|
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048=Usr:322 Stray Cat 12/22/91 07:33 Msg:6963 Call:39100 Lines:1
|
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|
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685
|
|||
|
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049=Usr:322 Stray Cat 12/22/91 09:00 Msg:6964 Call:39102 Lines:11
|
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686
|
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|
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687 XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOX
|
|||
|
|
688
|
|||
|
|
689 And didn't Porter Sexton vanish into the ozone about the same time as
|
|||
|
|
690 Lover-Boy Bob. Some say he SURFACED in a much bettposition at the
|
|||
|
|
691 SAT Bureau. This after we spe much time in Word Processing doing
|
|||
|
|
692 upteem drafts of his thesis via dictaphone. I could never figure out
|
|||
|
|
693 who got the better deal, though, between Porter or Walt. We CLOSED
|
|||
|
|
694 Word Processing for I don't know HOW long to do Walt's wife's thesis ...
|
|||
|
|
695 input, proofed and redone. But that's a whole 'nother Book.
|
|||
|
|
696
|
|||
|
|
050=Usr:322 Stray Cat 12/22/91 09:15 Msg:6965 Call:39104 Lines:3
|
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|
697 PPS Executives/Dominator Administrators stage civil wars over such issues,
|
|||
|
|
698 ater all. But this has nothing to do with Board overlordship.
|
|||
|
|
699
|
|||
|
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051=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 12/22/91 10:02 Msg:6966 Call:39105 Lines:16
|
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|
|
700 &*&*&*&*'s
|
|||
|
|
701 Our tests have ZERO to do with inteligence. Note the word achievment in
|
|||
|
|
702 Portland Achievment Levels Test. I'm a fairly bright person, and there
|
|||
|
|
703 are HS kids who can score higher on these tests. Why? because I havn't
|
|||
|
|
704 used half the stuff we test since middle school. You may question the
|
|||
|
|
705 validity of these tests in that light, but remember we don't set the
|
|||
|
|
706 curiculum.
|
|||
|
|
707
|
|||
|
|
708 Please try to criticize the test, rather then your false perception of what the
|
|||
|
|
709 test is. I am more then happy to answer any questions you may have, as
|
|||
|
|
710 well as correcting the misinformation you seem so anxious to spread.
|
|||
|
|
711
|
|||
|
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712 An Astral Dreamer
|
|||
|
|
713 &*&*&*&*'s (Fighting for truth and justice, and thus fighting a good % of the
|
|||
|
|
714 american way.)
|
|||
|
|
715
|
|||
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|
052=Usr:322 Stray Cat 12/22/91 11:01 Msg:6967 Call:39106 Lines:3
|
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|
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716
|
|||
|
|
717 And speaking of OZONE, whatever happened to Karen Gorder???
|
|||
|
|
718
|
|||
|
|
053=Usr:322 Stray Cat 12/22/91 11:32 Msg:6968 Call:39107 Lines:7
|
|||
|
|
719
|
|||
|
|
720 And since you're ALSO talking about ROAD KILL, I must admit that I **AM**
|
|||
|
|
721 imbalanced. While eating breakfast this morning, I overheard a conver-
|
|||
|
|
722 sation about the teenager here who just got 6 rounds pumped into his chest
|
|||
|
|
723 by our "unaccountable" community police. I surely am missing the point
|
|||
|
|
724 somewhere.
|
|||
|
|
725
|
|||
|
|
054=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 12/22/91 12:02 Msg:6969 Call:39108 Lines:14
|
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|
|
726 &*&*&*&*'s
|
|||
|
|
727 That case struck me as wierd as well. 6 bullets? Whens the last time a
|
|||
|
|
728 portland cop got killed? Yet, they seem to have a tendancy to hose anybody
|
|||
|
|
729 who even points a weapon in their general direction. Gotta wonder
|
|||
|
|
730 how 'profesional' that is.
|
|||
|
|
731
|
|||
|
|
732 If I don't here about a firing, I'll be only mildly surprised. The police
|
|||
|
|
733 union in this city seems to have the ability to make sure that even the
|
|||
|
|
734 most blatent incompatence. (To understate something that looks a lot
|
|||
|
|
735 like manslaughter, if not murder.)
|
|||
|
|
736
|
|||
|
|
737 An Astral Dreamer
|
|||
|
|
738 &*&*&*&*'s (Peanut butter on the roof of your mouth)
|
|||
|
|
739
|
|||
|
|
055=Usr:660 Rick Young 12/22/91 16:49 Msg:6970 Call:39109 Lines:17
|
|||
|
|
740 /+-{]`#O=+ RORSCHACH +=O#'[}-+\
|
|||
|
|
741
|
|||
|
|
742
|
|||
|
|
743 12-22-91
|
|||
|
|
744
|
|||
|
|
745 Wacthed the city from high today as I climbed the building and watched the ants
|
|||
|
|
746 pass below. Around me the birds flew oblivious to the decay below. But it's
|
|||
|
|
747 still there when they land, only the distance affects the observation.
|
|||
|
|
748
|
|||
|
|
749 Offices below. Headstones marking daily graves of thousands. Inside, across
|
|||
|
|
750 clock faces, as observed as those of celebrities, hands commence final laps.
|
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|
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751
|
|||
|
|
752 Oblivion gallops closer, favoring the spur, sparing the rein. Famine and war
|
|||
|
|
753 already visited apon us, other horsemen cant be too far behind.
|
|||
|
|
754
|
|||
|
|
755 /+-{]`#O=+ RORSCHACH +=O#'[}-+\
|
|||
|
|
756
|
|||
|
|
056=Usr:26 Mohammed Wassir 12/23/91 00:43 Msg:6971 Call:39118 Lines:6
|
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|
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757 +_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+
|
|||
|
|
758 Excuse me? Are we talking about the kid that stabbed the police officer,
|
|||
|
|
759 then got shot because of it? If it was me, I woulda shot him too . . .
|
|||
|
|
760 with everything I had. The kid made his choice and paid for it. Life's
|
|||
|
|
761 tough. No apologies.
|
|||
|
|
762 +_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+
|
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|
|
057=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 12/23/91 07:02 Msg:6972 Call:39120 Lines:14
|
|||
|
|
763 &*&*&*&*'s
|
|||
|
|
764 He threw a knife at the cop, causing a wound that didn't even require stitches
|
|||
|
|
765 as far as I know. The cop then shot at him atleast 7 times, hitting 6. Yea,
|
|||
|
|
766 I could see myself doing the same in that situation. If I weren't a
|
|||
|
|
767 professional sworn to protect the public.
|
|||
|
|
768
|
|||
|
|
769 The cop lost his head, plain and simple. The kid wasn't white, so he got
|
|||
|
|
770 shot many many times. If the kid had been white and looked middle
|
|||
|
|
771 class, he'd still be alive. Don't believe it? Fine, live in your
|
|||
|
|
772 fantasy world.
|
|||
|
|
773
|
|||
|
|
774 An Astral Dreamer
|
|||
|
|
775 &*&*&*&*'s (Not nearly this sarcastic in person.)
|
|||
|
|
776
|
|||
|
|
058=Usr:322 Stray Cat 12/23/91 09:27 Msg:6973 Call:39122 Lines:28
|
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|
|
777 &%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%
|
|||
|
|
778
|
|||
|
|
779 I'd alwaySAID it was BrudoSherry ran into in the parking lothat
|
|||
|
|
780 day but I was never sure untay when my friend said he saw
|
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|
|
781 a book dat VV with the picture othe secretary from the history
|
|||
|
|
782 For some reason he didn't buy the book even tho' it
|
|||
|
|
783 was only .50 or so. So we hopped in the luxury car and headed on out
|
|||
|
|
784 to make posI ran into Sherry some years back and she gave me
|
|||
|
|
785 a two-block ride to the ad and she never said a thing and neither
|
|||
|
|
786 diI. I really shudda thanked hnot that he wudda picked me out of
|
|||
|
|
787 the ongs ... I look like a 14-yo boy ... or used to; but I used to
|
|||
|
|
788 sunbathe on top of the parking str just because nobody el was
|
|||
|
|
789 ever there and if push came to shove). Jerry picked perxactly the
|
|||
|
|
790 WRONG woman when he chose Sherry, though ... thank GOD!
|
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|
|
791
|
|||
|
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792 We also had, about that time, a tall black predator that hung
|
|||
|
|
793 around PSU for absolutely YEARS. I ran into him once in an isolated
|
|||
|
|
794 hallway on the backside of Old Main and was scared to death.He ended
|
|||
|
|
795 up as a bouncer for awhile at the Portland Center Red Lion, but I don't
|
|||
|
|
796 know what happened to him after that. uhe once was with a small
|
|||
|
|
797 gang oguys standing in front the PSPE bldg and I was walking hom
|
|||
|
|
798 to the apt. next door when they whistled at me. Well, you know how
|
|||
|
|
799 THAT goes.It's so damn irritating, then embarrass ... especially
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800 when you're damned if you do and damned if you don't respond. So when
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801 I didn't, they started throwing rocks. THank god my friend was
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802 waiting for me on a bench in the next park block. He swears
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803 one of the other guys was Randy Woodfield, but I dunno.
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804
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806 Ah, AD, getting a little snippy, aren't we. I'll try to hold my
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807 temper and not reply in kind, though you'll have to excuse me if
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808 I don't take your 'interpretation' of events as gospel. I assume
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809 you got your info from the Oregonian, a questionable source at
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810 best. If you'd care to quote court documents, that
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811 would be fine.
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812
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813 I hear you saying that the standard of care should be different for
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814 you from a police officer in a shooting situation. Although there
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815 are differences in the law regarding the use of deadly force between
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816 normal citizens and law enforcement officers, in this case, the
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817 standard is the same. A police officer (or citizen) may use deadly
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818 physical force if threatened with serious physical injury. The courts
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819 have held that what is important is the perception of the threat by
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820 the officer at the time of the use of force. There are several examples
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821 of police officers shooting people wielding unloaded weapons. There is
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822 no requirement that the officer say "Excuse me sir, do you mind if I
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823 check the gun that you're pointing at me to see if it's loaded before
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824 I shoot you?" Nor is there a requirement that the officer wait to
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825 see how seriously he is injured (your number of stitches argument)
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826 before using deadly force. The courts have also held numerous times
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827 that being threatened with a knife is a threat of serious physical
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828 injury.
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829
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830 I guess my point is that unless you're standing in that particular officer's
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831 shoes, it's difficult for you to pontificate about whether the shooting
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832 was righteous or not. That's what a court of law is for. I assume that
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833 if the officer was wrong, then the courts will so rule. Sometimes we
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834 make life and death decisions in a split second then live with the results
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835 for the rest of our lives.
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836
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837 I found your last message somewhat abusive. I almost replied in kind, but
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838 I won't. It serves no purpose.
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839 +_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+ V.
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840 &*&*&*&*'s
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841 I apologize. I was abusive, and without good reason.
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842
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843 Yes, I did get my info from the Oregonian, not a great source I know, but
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844 the only one available right now. I'm sure there is an investigation going
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845 on, but I'd be very much surprised if the records were available to the
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846 public at this time.
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847
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848 The way it was portrayed in the Oregonian was as follows. Cop stops car,
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849 copy asks suspect to get out of car. suspect gets out of car and throws
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850 knife at cop. At this point suspect has no weapons in hands. Cop fires
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851 seven bullets. Cop hits suspect 6 times.
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852
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853 In my book, thats excessive force. Maybe it didn't happen that way. We'll
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854 find out in a few months no doubt.
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855
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856 If the kid had been waving a gun, I'd say he got what he deserved.
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857
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858 I thank you for your restraint. Its good to see somebody setting a good
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859 example. I will do the same in the future.
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860
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861 An Astral Dreamer
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862 &*&*&*&*'s (Eating my words)
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863
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061=Usr:658 Justin Klein 12/23/91 19:21 Msg:6976 Call:39132 Lines:27
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864 ---------------------------=Justin the Blue=------------------------------
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865 I admire 'Dreamer's wherwithal to concede the last point. I, myself, did
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866 a lot of thinking and info gathering WRT to the kid who got killed in the
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867 altercation with the Law.
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868 Sure, it shouldn't have happened. I am, however, respectfully withholding
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869 my sorrow. The family should rightly grieve, but I won't. The kid was
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870 stupid. I understand he had a history of getting into trouble that people
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871 with real IQ's would avoid (and don't give me the environmental crap. Smart
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872 people stay out of trouble. Successes come out of the get-toe every day.
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873 I think of it as evolution in action), and then he goes, robs a store, and
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874 then when stopped, comes out and stabs a man who is armed to the teeth and
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875 trained to (and this is important) DEFEND HIMSELF WHEN ATTACKED.
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876
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877 Stupid.
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878
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879 Let me put it to you this way: if you're stupid enough to come after me
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880 with a knife if I were armed with a sidearm, you'd be lucky if they found
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881 one of your short hairs to bury. Or, another way: a buffoon who pokes
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882 a tiger with a stick may not deserve to die, only to be tapped back with a
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883 stick.
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884 But you think he's gonna be tapped back with a lil' ol' stick? If you
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885 said to yourself, "heck, no, Justin, he's gonna die horribly," then the
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886 light just may be coming on in your head. Congratulations.
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887
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888 It's like some wise sf writer (I think) said: you live and your learn.
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889 Or you don't live long.
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890 ----------------------------=Justin the Blue=-----------------------------
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062=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 12/24/91 05:34 Msg:6977 Call:39139 Lines:9
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891 &*&*&*&*'s
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892 I guess I just have a higher expectation of how a profesional is supposed to
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893 act in such a situation.
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894
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895 It does seem to be true that the kid had a death wish.
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896
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897 An Astral Dreamer
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898 &*&*&*&*'s (Lack of humility is not my shortcoming.)
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899
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063=Usr:322 Stray Cat 12/24/91 08:05 Msg:6978 Call:39142 Lines:6
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900 ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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901
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902 I suppose the Young Kennedy-Smith Boy used safe sex, even though he WAS
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903 uh .. picked up???? He is a 3-4th year med student after all.
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904
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905 He MUST carry them in his wallet for just such frequent occasions, huh?
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906
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907 And did he used a NEW one the second time around (this trip). Maybe this
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908 is an issue that otta maybe be DISCUSSED, you know???? I mean the guy is
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909 so wonderfully verile and all, a regular sex machine I think it was phrased.
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910 Are these things guaranteed in such situations????????
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911
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912 Perhaps the Board might could edit e curriculum in this regard.
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065=Usr:660 Rick Young 12/24/91 13:40 Msg:6980 Call:39152 Lines:22
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913
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914 /+-{]`#O=+ RORSCHACH +=O#'[}-+\
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915
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916 12-24-91
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917
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918 No sleep last night. Walked through the cold night air. Felt dark world turn
|
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919 under my feet again. Good.
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920
|
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921 Families are gathering to celebrate the death of a man they thought was born.
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922 Funny, Roman began census nearly two thousand years ago and listed him as
|
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923 being born in spring.
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924
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925 But then no one listens to history.
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926
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927 In nineteen twenty the truck drivers were being laid off. The price of foods
|
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928 was climbing, and stock prices were fluxing violently. And the president
|
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929 had said everything was fine.
|
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930
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931 It's happening again.
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932
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933 /+-{]`#O=+ RORSCHACH +=O#'[}-+\
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934
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066=Usr:186 Wesley Smith 12/24/91 15:35 Msg:6981 Call:39154 Lines:2
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935 I wish to ta\ke this time to wish one and all a safe and happy holiday season.
|
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|
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936 Remember drinking and driving don't mix, so be a designated driver and say no
|
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|
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067=Usr:660 Rick Young 12/25/91 20:25 Msg:6982 Call:39167 Lines:13
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937 /-]#O=+ RORSCHACH +=O#'[}-+\
|
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938
|
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939 There's no tomorrow, just today. Find it is best to do things now or there is
|
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|
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940 a price to be paid for tardiness. Find the quickest way to a point is by walk-
|
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941 ing the thinnest line. On the edge
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942
|
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943 Some us of have always lived on the edge. It is even possible to survive here
|
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944 if one observes the rules:
|
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945
|
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|
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946 Just hang on by fingernails and never look down.
|
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947
|
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948 /+-{]`#O=+ RORSCHACH +=O#'[}-+\
|
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949
|
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068=Usr:658 Justin Klein 12/26/91 00:36 Msg:6983 Call:39170 Lines:12
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950 ----------------------=Justin the Blue=---------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
951 I'm fairly happy. A little guilty. This holiday season has been good
|
|||
|
|
952 to me in terms of bridges built between people. Many these days don't
|
|||
|
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953 have it so good, and I hurt for them; not so long ago, I was one of them.
|
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|
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954 If I could, I'd lift them out too.
|
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|
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955
|
|||
|
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956 One Christmas wish that I would have is; that the only homeless out
|
|||
|
|
957 there are the ones who truly wish to be. Let those that want homes and
|
|||
|
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958 safety have it.
|
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959
|
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|
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960 Also, I'd wish that there were more often TWO disks with space on BW.
|
|||
|
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961 ---------------------=Justin the Blue=----------------------------------
|
|||
|
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069=Usr:26 Mohammed Wassir 12/26/91 15:44 Msg:6985 Call:39179 Lines:16
|
|||
|
|
962 +_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+
|
|||
|
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963 AD: Thanks. I'll keep silent on the subject from now on.
|
|||
|
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964
|
|||
|
|
965 A recent conversation.
|
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|
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966
|
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967 "Yes, the Silvia Beach Hotel is really neat. All the rooms are in a
|
|||
|
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968 different writer's motiff," I said.
|
|||
|
|
969 "You should go back there someday," she said.
|
|||
|
|
970 "I will, but I'd like to take someone with me. It's a place for
|
|||
|
|
971 romantics."
|
|||
|
|
972 "You could always take me."
|
|||
|
|
973 "But you have a husband."
|
|||
|
|
974 "You could still take me."
|
|||
|
|
975 Gulp.
|
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|
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976
|
|||
|
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977 +_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+ V.
|
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070=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 12/26/91 21:01 Msg:6990 Call:39184 Lines:22
|
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978 One from the vaults...
|
|||
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979 *
|
|||
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980 /\
|
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981 (oo) >< >< >< ><
|
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|
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982 \ (()) //o\ //o\ //o\ //o\
|
|||
|
|
983 \\---------// \\_____/\/~~* \_____/\/~~* \_____/\/~~* \_____/\/~~*
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|
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984 \||||||||\\===/\\<|>//\====/ \\<|>//\====/ \\<|>//\====/ \\<|>//
|
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985 \-------\\ ||--|| ||--|| ||--|| ||--||
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|
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986 ____]__[___/ // // // // // // // //
|
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987 **** **** * **** *** * * ****
|
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988 * * * * * * * ** * *
|
|||
|
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989 ** *** ***** ** * * * * * **
|
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|
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990 * * * * * * * * ** *
|
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|
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991 **** **** * * **** *** * * ****
|
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992
|
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993 **** **** **** **** ***** ***** * * **** ****
|
|||
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994 * * * * * * * ** * * *
|
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995 * ** **** *** *** * * * * * * ** **
|
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996 * * * * * * * * * ** * * *
|
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997 **** * * **** **** * ***** * * **** ****
|
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998 ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
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