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001=Usr:0 Null User 06/30/87 20:34 Msg:0 Call:0 Lines:19
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1$If you are in need of help, you need but ask...
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2$************************* 05 MAY 91 **************************************
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3$Welcome to BWMS II (BackWater Message System II) Mike Day System operator
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4$**************************************************************************
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5$GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS II IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION
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6$ PLACED ON THIS SYSTEM.
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7$BWMS II was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS II is a privately
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8$owned and operated system which is currently open for use by the general
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9$public. No restrictions are placed on the use of the system. As the
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10$system is privately owned, I retain the right to remove any and all
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11$messages which I may find offensive. Because of the limited size of the
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12$system, it will be periodically purged of messages (only 999 lines of data
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13$can be saved). To leave a message, type 'ENTER'. Use ctrl/C to get out
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14$the ENTER mode. The message is automatically stored. If after entering
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15$the message you find you made a mistake, use the replace command to
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16$replace the line. To exit from the system, type 'BYE' then hang up.
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17$Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system.
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18$**************************************************************************
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19$
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002=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 05/02/91 20:21 Msg:6059 Call:34757 Lines:4
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20 Morality is not properly the doctrine of how we may make ourselves
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21 happy, but how we make ourselves worthy of happiness.
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22 - Immanuel Kant
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23 ***********************************************************************
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003=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 05/03/91 00:02 Msg:6060 Call:34759 Lines:6
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24 &*&*&*&*'s
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25 Ah ha, at the top!
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26
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27 An Astral Dreamer
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28 &*&*&*&*'s
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004=Usr:286 Jeff Marten 05/03/91 01:03 Msg:6061 Call:34765 Lines:24
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30
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31
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32 {+}{+}{+}{+}
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33
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34 I don't understand Basketball. I mean, I'm all for athletic
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35 achievement and civic pride and everything--there are worse
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36 obsessions--but I just don't get it. You take a bunch of guys
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37 whose pituitary glands misfired, enlongating them to near
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38 circus-freak proportions, and you have them run back and
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39 forth on a highly polished wooden floor--making that annoying
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40 noise with their sneakers--trying to stuff a rubber ball
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41 through a hoop ten feet off of the ground. All under strict
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42 time constraints, except when it isn't. (I've had The Shot
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43 Clock explained to me a hundred times and I still don't know
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44 what the hell they're talking about.) And for this we give
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45 the players millions of dollars and get our car stereos
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46 ripped off while we're in the Coliseum watching them play.
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47 What kind of sport is that?
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48
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49 -+|[ ThingFish ]|+-
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50 He Shoots, He Scores!
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51
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52 {+}{+}{+}{+}
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005=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 05/03/91 08:41 Msg:6063 Call:34770 Lines:45
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54 &*&*&*&*'s
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55 The immortality machine.
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56
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57 The computer hummed in the corner. Its tone occasionally interupted
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58 by the sounds of read and seek on the hard drive. Will Savage and Art
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59 Coors were in the midst of a serious discussion. The room was large, and
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60 noisy, as machine rooms are wont to be.
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61
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62 "Look Will, it can be done. We have the GIPS, and we have the software.
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63 All we need is a really detailed picture."
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64
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65 "Hey, I'm not questioning the potential of your idea man. I'm just
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66 questioning the wisdom of it."
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67
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68 "Anything worth having is a risk. Think about it for a minute. Think
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69 of the potential applications. Think of the MONEY!"
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70
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71 "Yea, well you may be right."
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72
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73 "Of course I'm right."
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74
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75 "Sometimes I think you take the programer god complex to far Art."
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76
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77 Art sighed in exasperation. "Please don't give me the speach about
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78 things man was never meant to know. Screw the ludites and their silly
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79 superstions."
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80
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81 "Even an idiot can have a point."
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82
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83 "Ussually on the top of their pointy heads."
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84
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85 "Sh*t, lets just get this over with. How are you going to get the scan?"
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86
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87 "Simple my friend, I'm going to ask. I think I can even fit this under
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88 our grant. The question is which of us gets to be the lucky winner?"
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89
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90 "Its your idea, be my guest."
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91
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92 "We'll flip for it."
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93
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94 The word coward flashed Through Wills mind, but he said nothing.
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96 An Astral Dreamer
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97 &*&*&*&*'s
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006=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 05/04/91 14:32 Msg:6064 Call:34787 Lines:13
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99 &*&*&*&*'s
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100 Ok, heres another attempt to get people to post. From now on I will only
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101 post at most 1/4 of the total messages here. I will not count one line
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102 entries in this ration. So, if anybody wants to see me continue the story...
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103
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104 I know people call here, and I know they read what is written. So, its not
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105 like I'm talking to myself.
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106
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107 If this is annoying then I am sorry.
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108
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109 An Astral Dreamer(Pain in the A*s?)
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110 &*&*&*&*'s
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007=Usr:512 Alan Zehntbauer 05/04/91 17:22 Msg:6067 Call:34793 Lines:2
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112 How can you be sure anyone is calling or reading? Perhaps it's your
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113 imagination? Are you absolutely sure you called and wrote?
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008=Usr:543 CLETUS PAYTON 05/05/91 00:19 Msg:6074 Call:34805 Lines:26
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114 |P'AN_KU|P'AN_KU|P'AN_KU|P'AN_KU|P'AN_KU|P'AN_KU|P'AN_KU|P'AN_KU|P'AN_KU|
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116 The full background -
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117 A wall of cut stone .. irregular shaped stones cut and mortared to fit a
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118 shape of geometric precision.
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119
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120 The closer background -
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121 A heavy oak table .. the legs and edges inlayed with the fine craftsmanship
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122 of the wood cutters art. Piled high with the tails of many different animals.
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123 Not the desicated work of the furriers art, tails of living vibrance.
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124
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125 The middle foreground -
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126 A wizened lion, on two legs, stepping forward. A heavy chain of gold ending
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127 in a gold amulet about her/his neck. The lions eyes a mix of predition and
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128 purpose. Something of a lion-like smile on his/her face. Resting on her/his
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129 fore paws is a emerald-colored pillow, on the pillow a FOX tail ( a gift
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130 or an offering? ).
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132 The full foreground -
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133 A view of a FOX from the back, sitting dog style ... san tail. The right
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134 paw raised in greeting, or thanks ...
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135
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136 Thus Begins The Book of Beginnings
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137
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138 |P'AN_KU|P'AN_KU|P'AN_KU|P'AN_KU|P'AN_KU|P'AN_KU|P'AN_KU|P'AN_KU|P'AN_KU|
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009=Usr:92 Katherine Dohert 05/07/91 13:54 Msg:6080 Call:34848 Lines:3
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140 *****************************************************
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141 Good afternoon all, just checking in.
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142 ****kathyD*****
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010=Usr:165 Bart Simpson 05/07/91 17:17 Msg:6081 Call:34851 Lines:7
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143 AND NOW, INTRODUCING THE P R E S I D E N T of the UNITED STATES....
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144
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145 J. D A N F O R T H Q U A Y L E
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146
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147 You voted for him, you'll get him. And what you deserve...eventually.
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011=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 05/08/91 10:23 Msg:6082 Call:34863 Lines:24
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150 &*&*&*&*'s
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151 The Immortality machine II.
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152
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153 "I'll flip the coin."
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155 "No problem Will, go for it."
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156
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157 "Call it in the air."
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158
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159 "Tails."
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160
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161 Will looked down at the coin. "Heads."
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162
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163 "Looks like the honor is yours then."
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164
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165 "Great, lets just get this over with."
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166
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167 "No problem, I already have an appointment set up."
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170 An Astral Dreamer
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171 &*&*&*&* (This must be reality. I'd never dream something that has so many
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172 dull spots.)
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173
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012=Usr:267 phoenix polymorp 05/10/91 15:57 Msg:6088 Call:34910 Lines:39
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174 THIS IS NETWORK ZERO....
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175 NEXT UP PROJECT:FURIE....
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176 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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177 The usual noises filled the cit streets. George Jefries (Everyone called him
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178 Jeff) walked down the street, searching for a job. After over five years with
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179 the same company he was 'discharged' for one clerical error. He knew, of corse
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180 , the district manager had been after him since he was made D.M..
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181 Now he was a statistic, one of the 6.3% unemployed. He hoped he wouldn't tur
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182 out to be one of the 15% that would never be employed.
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183 "Spare some change, mister?" a street person said.
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184 "Pall, in about two weeks we'll probably be fighting over the same park bench
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185 ." He said and walked on, looking for 'help wanted ' signs. He stopped at a
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186 crosswalk and saw a young lady sitting in a folding chair.
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187 "Draw your picture?" She smiled, holding up her sketch pad and pencil.
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188 "Only two bucks."
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189 "Sorry, don't have it..."
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190 "Ok, for free then, common, have a seat." She pointed to the chair in front
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191 of her. Jeff gave up and sat down. He felt uncomfortable as she studied him.
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192 She turnde her attention to her pad and began to sketch. Jeff began his study
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193 of her. Her soft, red hair flowed down her back. Mysterious green eyes
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194 flashed up from behind the sketch pad and her lips curled into a smile.
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195 "So," She spoke, "what brings you to the city on this lovely summer morn'?"
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196 "Work."
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197 "Oh, how pleasant," She half frowned. "And what do you do?"
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198 "Nothing, now I got canned when I got to work this morning."
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199 "How nice," she raised an eyebrow.
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200 "Yes, and the district manager asked me if I'd work the rest of the day, dis-
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201 pite being canned."
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202 "and you said?"
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203 "I do not say such things in front of a lady, but I assure you it was physi-
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204 cally imposable..."
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205 The girl began to laugh, but stopped sudenly.
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206 "ok, on the way." She said as she stood up and dropped her sketch pad then
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207 jumped inot the air, landing infront of the bank across the street.
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208
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209 This Has Been Network Zero>>>>>>>>
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210
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211 I hate 300 baud and 40 column!!!<Phoenix>
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212 ^p
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013=Usr:267 phoenix polymorp 05/11/91 02:43 Msg:6090 Call:34922 Lines:2
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213 What is this? I get on to lurk, and there is nothing to lurk at...
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214 ^p
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014=Usr:4 Milchar 05/11/91 22:30 Msg:6092 Call:34937 Lines:4
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215 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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216 I'm afraid Astral Dreamer is out of town this weekend, so I think it will
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217 be a little quieter around here than normal. :-)
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218 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Milch +++++++++++++++++++++++
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015=Usr:512 Alan Zehntbauer 05/12/91 11:20 Msg:6095 Call:34946 Lines:3
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219 ///////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
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220 That should have been cleared with the rest of us before taking off!
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221 /////////Miffed------Reporter\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
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016=Usr:322 Stray Cat 05/12/91 21:53 Msg:6096 Call:34952 Lines:10
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222
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223 !_)(#*$^&#*$@#_)$*@#$&^^_@)#$&!^#@)*!&_$@($#_)%^!@#!@#_)@#&$^!_#&
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224
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225 Darn right. And furthermore, what happened to Flight of Inspiration this
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226 weekend. I was just gettig readdicted and caught up and it's down. Seems
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227 all to familiar, this frustration. Guess I'll have to find something else
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228 to entertain myself.
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229
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230 !_)(*$^#*_$@)*
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017=Usr:530 Jessie a. 05/13/91 13:48 Msg:6098 Call:34957 Lines:9
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232 Flight of Inspiration is going through a computer change. We sold the
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233 machine we were on, tried to come back up on another, a new 386 is on the
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234 way, but until then we will continue to tweek and poke the other computer
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235 until it decides to cooperate.
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236
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237 We "vill" get our way! If the blue streak Friar is swearing does not do the
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238 trick, surely bamboo splinters under the keys will get it to come around to
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239 our way of thinking. >:) Jessie
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240 !*!*!*
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018=Usr:549 alan kennedy 05/13/91 21:58 Msg:6099 Call:34962 Lines:10
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241 ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||grizzly||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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242 Good things come to those who wait. Well I waited and finally got
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243 my modem from the computer fairy(4 years waitin, god I hate bumming
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244 air time). I see some familiar boarders. Mark Forsyth if you are
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245 lurking out there, King Silicon is looking for old contact. Please
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246 leave a msg.
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247 HAVE A NICE DAY
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248 THE GRIZZLY
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250 ?
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019=Usr:551 Carolyn Svestka 05/14/91 16:35 Msg:6101 Call:34977 Lines:9
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251 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
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252 Life is a funny thing. Very little you expect to happen does, and so much
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253 happens that you never saw coming that you wonder who writes the script we
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254 follow. For example, here I sit pondering life's great mysteries that have
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255 been plaguing man since the dawn of time on a piece of wonder technology
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256 that has become commonplace. On another philosophical bent, here
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257 is a phrase I got from a friend, which I really like: SOMETIMES THE MOON
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258 HOWLS AND THE WOLVES ARE SILENT. Later.
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259 The Moonraker
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020=Usr:267 phoenix polymorp 05/14/91 20:25 Msg:6102 Call:34988 Lines:2
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260 PHOENIX LURK>>>>>14-5-91>>>>>8:36>>
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261
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021=Usr:552 MAXWELL SMART 05/14/91 23:49 Msg:6103 Call:34993 Lines:3
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262
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263 All Purpose Marker #1
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264
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022=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par 05/15/91 08:45 Msg:6104 Call:35000 Lines:11
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265 *_)$*@#_$%@#%_)*$^)(*#%(_)(#$_)(~+_!@)+_$)_+#*%_)@$^*_)($_)($$_#%*#%*%(@%(_)%(@
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266 Astral: I'll come sometime when I am downtown and stop by so you can make me
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267 a tape of your songs. I would like to hear them...
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268 What is the day of the next TP episode? I was thinking of perhaps having a
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269 TP party. If you could set up your VCR to record, we could gather at my
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270 abode and watch... What think ye?
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271 Mikey: I see your uupc was able to connect. BTY, there is a new version of
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272 the software out that supposedly supports the "uucp" program, ie you could
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273 copy binaries without dividing them up and email them. Are you interested?
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274 &%@#*%*@_)*~_)#*_)%$#*_$(!$(!) L'homme sans Parity *$_)@*$(@$_)@%&*_$*!$*$(!$!%
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023=Usr:267 phoenix polymorp 05/15/91 17:12 Msg:6106 Call:35010 Lines:4
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276 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wwiii
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277 Astral: What type of music do you do?
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278 I have enjoyed reading your poems/songs and wondered what they sound like...
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279 Phoenix>>>>wwiii>>>>NOT wwiv!>>>>>
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024=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 05/15/91 20:56 Msg:6107 Call:35014 Lines:2
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280 L'Homme: Yah, I'd be interested in the uupc program.
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281 ************************************************************************
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025=Usr:549 alan kennedy 05/15/91 21:50 Msg:6108 Call:35015 Lines:4
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282 |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||grizzly|||||||||||||||||||||
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283 wandered mutterings from bored fingers. i'm supposed to be writing my term
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284 paper got the major brain block. just seeing who's about.
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285 |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||HAVE A NICE DAY|||||||||||||||||||||||||
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026=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 05/16/91 06:09 Msg:6109 Call:35023 Lines:14
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286 &*&*&*&*'s
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287 Phoenix, My Music tends to sound folkish more then anything else right now.
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288 Mostly because of my wierd lyrics and Guitar only instrumentation. I'm
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289 having a bit of a block right now, as it is hard to not be really repetative
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290 within the musical confines I find myself.
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291
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292 L'Homme, I believe June 10 is the date. I'd love to come to a TP party.
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293
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294 The story will continue. I've been a bit busy during the last week and
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297 An Astral Dreamer
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298 &*&*&*&*'s
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300 *$@*$_)!($!@_)$(@#%(_)@_$(%_)$_)($_)(_)!@()#_)*%_)#*%_$^&_)(#_~)_)*%@_)%*_)
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301 AD: You wouldn't be the first to repeat themselves in their music! In fact,
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302 I know very few groups that don't repeat themselves over and over again.
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303 Sometimes it is just a style, sometimes a one-hit wonder will do a remake
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304 just to get some of that glory back. Of course, some of yesterday's one-hit
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305 wonders are today's gold and platinum mega-stars. You should be cheered! Haha..
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306
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307 Ok, spread the word to milch, and anyone else you can think of (mikeys,
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308 voyeurs, and so on are of course also invited), June 10th will be a Twin
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309 Peaks viewing party at chez l'homme's...
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311 You might bring the last two episodes on tape so we can reload cache.
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312
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313 Mikey: It's about 400k of stuff. I'll put them on a disk and give the disk
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314 to Bob Doherty, who I think I'll be blazer watching with sometime in the
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315 near future...
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316 *%$_@#*%_)_@($_#*%$_)%_)(!@_$% L'homme sans Parity *$_)*$!*$_!(_~+)(@_#%*_@#*)%
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319 -----------------------------------A Stitch in Time---------------------------
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320
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321 I suppose I should be proud of myself for turning down a **GOLDEN** oppor-
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322 tunity to publish additional inventive about the OREGONIAN propaganda, good-
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323 old-boy networking/nepotism, gangsterism politics, etc., plaguing RIP City
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324 (specifically but not limited to the article about Phil Morford's pledge to
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325 "educate" citizens about effective land use development), but somehow it
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326 feels terribly dysfunctional NOT to. Guess I'll just "temper" it ahile ...
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327 maybe until tomorrow .. or maybe after Tues afternoon's dedication ceremony.
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328 Meanwhile I guess I'm supposed to keep in mind the Universe knows what She's
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329 doing ....
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330
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331 PS: Regarding pollution ... usually nothing is done about it until someone
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332 complains about the turds.
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333
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334 --------------------------Perhaps Valerian Would Help ----------------------
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335
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336 .... or huge amounts of prescription drugs, or cocaine, or alcohol, sex,
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337 violence, etc., etc., etc.
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338
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339 PHOENIX LURK
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030=Usr:549 alan kennedy 05/18/91 23:25 Msg:6119 Call:35070 Lines:1
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340 Reclassify Marijuana to a class II for medical research!!!
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341 PHOENIX HERE. Anyone going to the YES concert? Would you get me a T-shirt or
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342 button or something? I'll pay you back, don't worry, but I just don't have the
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343 money to go (damn!)
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344 Greatly apreciated.....A fan since I was FIVE!
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345 ^P
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346
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347 This is BORING! There are so many people out there with reasonable imag-
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348 inations. Somebody be original and write something. I've got an original
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349 one for ya. A friend of mine today told me he was going to teach me how to
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350 ride a motorcycle! No biggie, just one of my childhood dreams!!!
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351 in
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352 Above and Beyond
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353 Moonraker
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355 An Unproud American: On The Iraq War's Outcome: A Dissenting View
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356 By Bill Sones Insight Features
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357
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358 For some time now I've had a sullen feeling in the pit of my stomach, a
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359 spiritless inwardness that won't go away, like I've swallowed a chunk of
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360 metal.
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361
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362 It took a while, but now I know what the matter is. It's the Gulf war we
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363 just fought, if you can call it a war. Yesterday, I picked up the New Yorker,
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364 March 11 issue, and there it was in the "Talk of the Town" section: the
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365 editors had likened the war to a massacre.
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367 In the last days of the war, the magazine reported The Washington Post as
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368 saying, allied pilots "swarmed over Iraqi armor and truck columns,
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369 slaughtering the scattering vehicles by the score in a combat frenzy variously
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370 described as `a turkey shoot' and `shooting fish in a barrel.'"
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371
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372 The New Yorker editors recounted the figures: 25,000 to 100,000 Iraqi dead;
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373 89 Americans killed (that's anywhere from a 280-to-1 to a 120-to-one kill
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374 ratio). This one-sidedness, they said, was reminiscent of historic battles
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375 that pitted the technological forces of one century against those of another,
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376 as when the Spaniards used guns and heavy armor to conquer Indian tribes armed
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377 only with lances.
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378
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379 Futilely and pathetically, the Iraqis aimed their antiquated anti-aircraft
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380 guns at the attacking U.S. aircraft, which dumped devastating "smart" bombs in
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381 return.
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382
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383 It was, on our part, a reign and rain of high-tech terror the likes of
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384 which the world hasn't seen for a spell, if ever. President Bush, playing to a
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385 willing national audience, never wavered, never relented, never slowed the
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386 pace. Whether the first 5000 or 10,000 or 15,000 sorties (we flew close to
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387 100,000 in all) had taken the starch out of the Iraqi resolve, pushing them to
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388 the edge of surrender, our president had no intention of finding out. No
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389 lulls, no respites, no provisions for any face-saving on the part of the
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390 enemy, no olive-branch of apparent compromise.
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392 Even a boxer, engaged in a furious fight , usually refuses to pummel a
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393 staggering, defenseless opponent into total senselessness. To press forward at
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394 such a moment would be tantamount to using the other boxer's face and head as
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395 a punching bag, tantamount to delivering a potential sentence of needless
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396 death.
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397
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398 Involved in such a fight, we Americans pressed forward, and then forward
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399 again.
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400
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401 Iraq as a nation and a people hit the canvas with a ghoulish, sickening
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402 thud. Numerous cities and populated areas were hit by allied bombs. Roads,
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403 factories, power plants, houses, occasional hospitals and schools, the entire
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404 infrastructure of a nation that was impoverished and backward to begin with
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405 were turned into rubble, into the fragments of a former civilization.
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406
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407 Thousands--and perhaps tens of thousands--of Iraqi soldiers were literally
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408 blasted into oblivion, buried under in trenches or bunkers that became, under
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409 Allied firepower, sudden mass graves with untold numbers of dead, their very
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410 names and identities lost in the ravages of war, left only to be guessed at by
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411 any surviving loved ones.
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412
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413 Back home, we watched all of this on television, with uncritical
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414 commentators mouthing euphemisms to cover up the true violence. Consider:
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415
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416 --We just fought an entire war without seeing riveting footage of a single
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417 soldier--either ours or theirs--in agonizing pain, with leg blown off or face
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418 mutilated by fire. Yet perhaps as many as 100,000 soldiers died.
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419
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420 --We just fought an entire war without our population in general knowing
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421 one iota about the history and culture of Iraq or Kuwait, or who or what an
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422 emir is, or who in the heck Saddam Hussein might actually be, or caring about
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423 any of this.
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424
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425 --We just fought an entire war during which President Bush and our obliging
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426 media likened Saddam Hussein and his armies to Hitler and the Third Reich, yet
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427 no death camps were uncovered, Hussein never used the "chemical weapons" the
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428 media kept intimating that he might (though we freely used napalm), no
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429 Messerschmidtt-like planes plied the skies, no Iraqi scientists labored day
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430 and night on secrets of rocketry and atomic weaponry, no ultra-modern world-
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431 class factories churned out materiel at a dizzying and frightening pace, and
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432 in short Iraq, a nation of 18 million people, fell hopelessly and helplessly--
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433 more like the aforementioned punching bag than a real, vital enemy--into total
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434 destruction and disintegration in scarcely more than 40 nights and 40 days.
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435
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436 What a frightening object lesson of American arrogance and power to parade
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437 before the world in this era that was supposed to hold so much hope of peace
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438 and a new world order! What a cheap and inexcusable way for President Bush to
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439 try to shore up his sagging popularity at home!
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440
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441 I am ashamed of myself and my country for allowing this to happen, spilling
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442 so much needless blood with such shameless glee.
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443
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444 I know there are others out there who feel the same way I do, millions of
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445 us good, patriotic Americans, though our voices have been ignored. I know
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446 there are others who feel with me that for President Bush to come out of this
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447 war and then turn right around and talk about pressing harder for broader
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448 application of the death penalty at home borders on an obsession, a bloodlust
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449 macho-orientation of the man who was once labelled as a "wimp."
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450
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451 Will he never begin talking of anything affirmative, anything visionary,
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452 anything but this insatiable need for retaliation, violence, dying and death?
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453
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454 Once President Bush had talked of a kinder, gentler nation. I didn't
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455 believe him then. But for God's sake, I never expected this.
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456 -- 30 --
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457 Bill Sones is a free-lance journalist living in Cleveland Heights, Ohio.
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458
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459 reproduced with permission.
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460 696969696969696969
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461
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462 World watch three>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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463 When I was in high school, people told me ;"America, love it or leave it."
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464 This left me to wonder just who the hell they thought they were to imply I did
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465 not love my country. I guess they thought this because I questioned the govern
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466 ment, my parents didn't give me a Porche for my birthday, I didn't wear fancy
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467 cloths or because i didn't have a 'Why should I care, I'm rich' attitude.
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468 I felt then, and still do feel, I am a better american, indeed a better perso
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469 n because I am not blindly complacent. I was against the war in Iraq. Does
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470 that make me any les patreotic? I guess it does... I will lay down my life
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471 for my country, but only if I believe in the cause....
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472 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wwiii
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473
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474
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475 &*&*&*&*'s
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476 I've had the same experiance when criticizing this country. (Note, I didn't
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477 agree with about half of the posted article, but it made some very good
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478 points in spots. Especially when it pointed out the disgusting glee shown by
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479 most Americans.)
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480
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481 I tell 'm I love the constitution. It is the only unique thing we have. Every
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482 frigging tin pot dictator has a flag. Few have anything approaching the
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483 beuty of the US constitution. Oh well, I don't expect people in general
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484 to be to bright anymore. Although it really would be nice to be wrong
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485 in this assumption.
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486
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487 An Astral Dreamer
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488 &*&*&*&*'s
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489
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036=Usr:92 Katherine Dohert 05/21/91 16:04 Msg:6130 Call:35142 Lines:1
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490 *************kathyD************
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491 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
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492 Alright, I can't argue that this country has some really good points. One of
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493 them happens to be that this is one of the only countries where women are
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494 people in their own right, not property, for which I'm profoundly grateful,
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495 being a woman myself. But all you passionate patriots out there can't deny
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496 that we've also made some colossal mistakes with no one else to blame for em
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497 but us. I agree that the war was senseless and overdone, and I'll bet nobody
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498 up high ever thought that if someone else someday gains the power to do the
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499 same to us, we
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500 (oops) are screwed. I sound like I'm trying to teach someone something here
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501 and I'm not. But I felt like stating my opinion, which is what this board
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502 is for among other things, right? I just try to remember, pobody's nerfect.
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503 Around and about
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504 Moonraker
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505
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506 -------------------------A Stitch in Time-------------------------------
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507
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508 &*&*&*&*'s
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509 I for one do not feel that this country is perfect. I do a lot of criticizing,
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510 and have been called names because of it in the past. I like to think of my
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511 self as a true patriot. I believe in the constitution of the US, and the
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512 ideals it sets forth. I don't give a flying f*ck for the flag, as it is just
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513 a piece of cloth, and one that has been to ofteen used as the rallying point
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514 for actions I am very much uncomfortable with.
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515
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516 Many people do not care in the least about the true value of this country.
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517 They are just caught up in the macho bullshit that passes for patriotism
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518 these days. (And largly always has alas.)
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519
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520 An Astral Dreamer
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521 &*&*&*&*'s
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522
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523 ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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524 Astral-Here, Here!! Amereica is a fine country and with even the vast
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525 universe, nothing is perfect. We must start thinking more of the real
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526 country. The majority that makes it tick not the minority that pretends
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527 to rule. I too believe the burning of the flag a right of free speach
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528 but at times can be akin to reading Hitler's best in front of J.C.C.
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529 HAVE A NICE DAY
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530 THE GRIZZLY
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532 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>WWIII
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533 Actually I find flag burning rather atrocious as I find the flag more a symbol
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534 of the people and not our screwed-up (so called) leaders. However, I would
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535 rather see someone take a Zippo to it than see the First Lady (or Madona, for
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536 that matter) with it draped around her....
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537 It would take something extreme to caus me to 'light up', but I probably would
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538 given the right circumstances.
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539
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540 One question to all the disidents out there; Do you vote?
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541 wwiii<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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542 &*&*&*&*'s
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543 I vote. I didn't for awhile, but decided what the heck. I end up
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544 voting for the candidates that lose for the most part. And I don't
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545 seem to do to well on most of the issues either. Guess I'm just
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546 out of step with the majority. (And perversly pleased by this fact
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547 I might add.)
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548
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549 An Astral Dreamer
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550 &*&*&*&*'s
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551
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552 I think this country is still the best #1. in the world, With Canada, and
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553 England, and the whold U. K. I think the whold world had better wake up and get
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554 Wright with it"s creator and start getting along with one another. I am gettin
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555 fead up with all the fighting and bickering amoung the nations. Well enough
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556 &*&*&*&*'s
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557 Strange how you mention nothing but western countries with conservative
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558 governments in charge.
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559
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560 Heres some poetry I wrote a while ago. Just found it. Sort of depressing,
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561 but most of the stuff I write is.
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562
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563 (Tower)
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564 The symbol is th same, The hour was so tame, The fight that never came,
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565 The song that still remains.
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566
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567 There is a tower spreading shadows over me. Seems that I'm the lonely
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568 one, and that is such a pain. But I know the answer.
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569
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570 I had to tell them everything, I had to say the words. I had to show that
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571 my life could be different, That I could tame the pain.
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572
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573 The time it takes to say good-bye is very short indeed, But when you
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574 can't come back... There is no reason to leave.
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575
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576 (Flow)
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577
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578 The flow of time, the last good song, The terror of a night gone wrong.
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579
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580 A powerfull message that flys through the night, And delivers its
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581 self with feelings of fright.
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582
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583 A monster that eats us, and makes us so small, Like that story with
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584 Alice, But with a greater fall.
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585
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586 (Don't know about this next one. can't remember what I was thinking
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587 at the time.)
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588
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589 (Tin)
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590 The Tin man looks over me. He watches my every move.
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591 And in his own mechanical way, he makes sure I'm not
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592 alone.
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593
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594 The Tin man cannot speak to me. He cannot say a word.
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595 Yet in his silence he speaks out, and I do not fear his
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596 words.
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597
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598 And Though he may be simple, without the slightest life,
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599 There is still that within me that says he has his
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600 value.
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601
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602 Because he does not judge, Or hate or kill, or spew forth
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603 an unkindness.
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604
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605 (Just to prove that life is a cycle.)
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606
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607 (failure)
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608
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609 Even though I've tried so hard, still I feel I've failed. I didn't
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610 go quite far enough. My life may be derailed.
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611
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612 And it seems I don't know how, to make it what I want. Not the one
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613 I thought I was.
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614
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615 Borrowed, stolen, Live I'm holding. Terror, Pain, My continuing
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616 refrain.
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617
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618
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619
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620 And so on and so on.
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621
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622 An Astral Dreamer
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623 &*&*&*&*'s
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624
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045=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par 05/25/91 18:46 Msg:6142 Call:35204 Lines:1
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625 *)_$*_)$*_!)*$@_)$*!_*$_)$* L'homme lurk $*&_)!*$!@*$_)*$!@)!_)$!($!)$)*$!@_
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046=Usr:551 Carolyn Svestka 05/25/91 22:34 Msg:6143 Call:35209 Lines:6
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626 I've got a change of subject for y'all. What do you do when you find the
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627 perfect relationship and you already have another one? I would almost rather
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628 find myself in an untenable situation needing to get out, than be in a really
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629 good relationship and have another one almost as good trying to offer itself.
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630 But with luck, maybe I can make them compliment each other.
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631
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047=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par 05/26/91 13:02 Msg:6144 Call:35217 Lines:2
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632@*%#@*%_)@#*_)!#_)%*_@_)$@#($)(%_@#(%)_%_)!*%!_)($_)*#_%*)_(@$_@#%&*)_*!)$()(_!$
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633 A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
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048=Usr:267 phoenix polymorp 05/26/91 19:11 Msg:6146 Call:35227 Lines:1
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634 >>>>>FEONIX PHLAG>>>>>
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049=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 05/28/91 18:54 Msg:6151 Call:35256 Lines:9
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635 &*&*&*&*'s
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636 Remember that story I started awhile back? Looks like I'm not going to
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637 finish it, so I'll post a sort of summery of what I was going to
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638 do with it.
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639
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640 What the charactors in the book have invented is a true virtual reality,
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641 down to the atomic level. What they plan on doing with it is getting
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642 a detailed picture of a person, down to the molecular level. The with
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643 a few quick commands and a little bit of magic, presto chango, artificial
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050=Usr:565 Michael Glosenge 05/29/91 18:09 Msg:6153 Call:35275 Lines:8
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644 This board is a different kind of board... is the last of its kind in Portland
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645
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646 Just outta curiousity, since I am new to the modeming thing (one year or so...)
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647 were this kind of BBSs more popular when BBSing first started? This one looks
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648 at least semi-popular, if not popular, so it looks like this oneas good as
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649 others, as long as othefs participate, as with any BBS.
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650
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651 -=<(: Styx :)>=-
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051=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 05/29/91 21:33 Msg:6154 Call:35281 Lines:46
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652 &*&*&*&*'s
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653 Screwed up and got cut off on my last message.
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654
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655 You have artificial inteligence. Its sort of a cross between cyberpunk and
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656 your standard grasp for immortality. I believe that this sort of thing
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657 will be possible within the next fifty years. Yes, this would mean that
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658 those who could afford it could 'live' on after their bodies died.
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659 Virtually forever.
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660
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661 What is standing in the way of this happening? Got me, I'm not a doctor,
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662 so I don't know how detailed then can get in taking pictures of the
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663 human body. I do know a bit about computers, and I have to say that
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664 the 50 year estimate is fairly conservative.
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665
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666 You wouldn't have to simulate all of reality all of the time. For instance,
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667 You are not always using your sense of smell, or your eyesight for that
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668 matter. When 'people' aren't looking at something it doesn't need to
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669 exist. Yes, this enviornment makes existentialism look like a viable
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670 philosophy.
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671
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672 All sorts of interesting things could happen. For instance, what would
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673 a real world person thing of their simulated self? What sorts of laws
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674 would be brought into being? Could these simulated people make a
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675 living? Would you have multiple copies running around? If not, how
|
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676 would you keep that from happening. The Concept of self would undergo
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677 a radical change. Many people would not be able to handle the situation.
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678 How would the simulations protect themselves?
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679
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680 What sorts of changes would be made in the physical laws of the simulated
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681 universe? Magic could be made to work of course, as could just about
|
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682 anything else you wanted to allow. What sort of privacy would the
|
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683 simulations have? Would this 'service' be available to all?
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684
|
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685 Those are just a few ideas. There is plenty of material for a novel
|
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686 or two, but I just don't have the patiance or skill to go anywhere with
|
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687 it. I have far more detailed ideas for atleast another nine or
|
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688 ten books, plus a few short stories. I don't think I'm ever going
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689 to get around to writting them, so perhaps I'll outline them
|
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690 here from time to time. Maybe somebody will get an idea and actually
|
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691 give these concepts some life. A bit of credit for me would be
|
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692 nice if that came about. Atleast and autographed copy of the
|
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693 book. :-)
|
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694
|
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695 An Astral Dreamer
|
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696 &*&*&*&*'s
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697
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052=Usr:322 Stray Cat 05/30/91 17:23 Msg:6155 Call:35298 Lines:10
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698
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699 An article in today's paper was read to me early this morning saying you had
|
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700 to have "proof of address" to buy alcoholic beverages anymore ... or was it
|
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701 just downtown??? Maybe the APP is working overtime again and the undesirables
|
|||
|
702 will have to wander to the lesser parts of NW R.I.P (tm) City or over to Union
|
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703 Avenue. Certainly not anywhere near Daisy Kingdom. BTW, I wonder how much it
|
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704 cost the city to defoliate all the lower branches from all the shrubs so
|
|||
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705 undesirables couldn't sleep there, to say nothing about the cost of disposing
|
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706 of it all.
|
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707
|
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053=Usr:70 Kurfur Redlig 05/30/91 22:32 Msg:6156 Call:35302 Lines:14
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708 KKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | Does insanity change how you see things??????????
|
|||
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709
|
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710 H'lo
|
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711
|
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712 Finally back after months in hell. Haven't been in Portland for a while
|
|||
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713 not a great deal has changed in some places, lots in others. So, what
|
|||
|
714 happened to Applephilia? Also, where can I find the latest issue of the
|
|||
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715 Bit Bucket BBS listing? I'm suffering from downgrade shock. It's hard
|
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|
716 going from a Sparc 1+ pizza box on Inet back to an apple with a modem.
|
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717
|
|||
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718 Kurfur Redlig
|
|||
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719
|
|||
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720 KKKKKKurfur Redlig | Or does insanity change how you interpret things??????
|
|||
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721
|
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054=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 05/31/91 19:49 Msg:6158 Call:35315 Lines:8
|
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722 Styx: There were basically two sorts on BBSs back in the beginning,
|
|||
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723 the message based systems that CBBS initiated, and the scroll based
|
|||
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724 systems that BWMS initiated. BWMS originally was a data entry
|
|||
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725 machine that I dug out of the garbage and threw a modem on it.
|
|||
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726 Since that time it sort of took on a life of its own.
|
|||
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727 In 1986 BWMS was switched from the old data entry machine to a
|
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728 Sanyo 555 MS-Dos machine.
|
|||
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729 ********************* CM ************************************
|
|||
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055=Usr:549 alan kennedy 06/01/91 02:43 Msg:6159 Call:35319 Lines:5
|
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730 Mikey-Thanx for the trip down memory lane. I remember when I was hijacking
|
|||
|
731 modem time from friends. 1986 what was popular then? Miami Vice and such...
|
|||
|
732 mutter mutter back to hybernation
|
|||
|
733 HAVE A NICE DAY
|
|||
|
734 THE GRIZZLY
|
|||
|
056=Usr:267 phoenix polymorp 06/02/91 23:42 Msg:6160 Call:35353 Lines:9
|
|||
|
735 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
|
|||
|
736 Oh, wow! I'm alive! Ever slept for 18 hours? Wake up rather confused, didn't
|
|||
|
737 even know what day it was.
|
|||
|
738 1986, huh. I was gettin' out of highschool then. My mind is ALMOST back to
|
|||
|
739 normal... To be honest, the Inn is imortal. Other BBS's can come and go, but
|
|||
|
740 I got a feeling this place will last forever! WEEEL, all for now, I think my
|
|||
|
741 brain is still full of endorphins...
|
|||
|
742 ^p
|
|||
|
743 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>POP!
|
|||
|
057=Usr:322 Stray Cat 06/03/91 09:39 Msg:6161 Call:35357 Lines:4
|
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744
|
|||
|
745 --------------------------------A Stitch in Time -----------------------------
|
|||
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746
|
|||
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747
|
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|
058=Usr:322 Stray Cat 06/04/91 13:40 Msg:6162 Call:35375 Lines:24
|
|||
|
748
|
|||
|
749 This Image Cleanup is an interesting process. Ain't it too bad there's only
|
|||
|
750 one reporter covering the proceedings. Finding the politics of this (and
|
|||
|
751 Sunday's "what's wrong with this picture" picture) somewat frustrating, I
|
|||
|
752 feel forced to burden the public with my own personal views. (Besides, the
|
|||
|
753 Board never seems to responds to written requests):
|
|||
|
754
|
|||
|
755 1. Mr. Graves reports tend to reflect an "overwhelming" support for con-
|
|||
|
756 tracting out custodial services. Not only does this not seem in the best
|
|||
|
757 public interest (in fact rather dangerous) BUT the district should remain
|
|||
|
758 accountable for who it places in the schools. It's funny so many "tax-
|
|||
|
759 payers" would bring this up at these not-too-well-attended sessions because
|
|||
|
760 it IS something the district was planned for years. The entire custodial
|
|||
|
761 crew underwent intelligence testing just two years ago (probably similar to
|
|||
|
762 the classification/reclassification/re-evaluation of reclassification pro-
|
|||
|
763 cess classified staff went thru for years) and attended a number of training
|
|||
|
764 sessions (in which test results were discussed/compared) ... at the same
|
|||
|
765 time they were being told they would likely be replaced by contracted labor
|
|||
|
766 and handed a paper plaque stating "It's 10% what happens and 90% your re-
|
|||
|
767 action" (...."don't be bitter when you're replaced???) ...
|
|||
|
768
|
|||
|
769 In my opinion, next to the principal's ability to empower/inspire teachers,
|
|||
|
770 the school custodian plays a considerable role in how the school functions,
|
|||
|
771 the pride generated and how it is publicly perceived. As somebody stated
|
|||
|
059=Usr:322 Stray Cat 06/04/91 14:24 Msg:6163 Call:35376 Lines:67
|
|||
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772 earlier, contracted service agencies pay extremely low wages, offer few
|
|||
|
773 benefits, have a high turnover rate, and can't engender the allegiance that
|
|||
|
774 someone who feels "connected" can. Besides, a local college who did this
|
|||
|
775 encountered so many hassles that after going through at least two companies
|
|||
|
776 ended up rehiring their own crews again. These kinds of interruptions
|
|||
|
777 could drastically influence school morale and the district at large.
|
|||
|
778
|
|||
|
779 But I also think this attitude shows a disturbing lack of appreciation for
|
|||
|
780 the tremendous responsibilities of the custodians and a similar disrespect
|
|||
|
781 fr kitchen workers/other classified staff sets a HORRIBLE example for
|
|||
|
782 children.
|
|||
|
783
|
|||
|
784 2. Bill also reports considerable curriculum bashing (as always). It
|
|||
|
785 would seem to me that CURRICULUM and PRINCIPALS/TEACHERS **ARE** the school
|
|||
|
786 distict and as it now stands, the function of the curriculum departament is
|
|||
|
787 diluted/dispersed by interference from too many special interests/levels
|
|||
|
788 of bureaucracy ... including the Board. Not only have they been endlessly
|
|||
|
789 tampered with through constant reorganization campaigns during budgeting
|
|||
|
790 upheavals, but they have never really been empowered to make the decisions
|
|||
|
791 necessary for constancy in curriculum policy. CD&S personnel not only
|
|||
|
792 incorporate the widest range of expertise and teaching experience of any
|
|||
|
793 managerial department in the district, but have administrative certifica-
|
|||
|
794 tion as well. It would seem that an empowered, CENTRALIZED Curriculum/
|
|||
|
795 CD&S/Research department, accountable to school principals accountable to
|
|||
|
796 teachers, would be the glue Norma Paulus' department says is needed for a
|
|||
|
797 cohesive, consistent, district-wide curriculum. If Curr/CD&S were placed
|
|||
|
798 directly against Operations/Deputy Supt. in the budget and other decision-
|
|||
|
799 making processes, the Board might get more accurate information on which
|
|||
|
800 to base their decisions (an upfront accounting system and outside auditing/
|
|||
|
801 mediating might also be helpful).
|
|||
|
802
|
|||
|
803 3. Because of expense/condidentiality, I think the evaluating/testing
|
|||
|
804 function SHOULD be subcontracted. In any case. Asst. Supt. status for
|
|||
|
805 the director seems over-inflated. Just a guess from overheard hearsay,
|
|||
|
806 but proper credit for the nationally and DOE-acclaimed computer program
|
|||
|
807 might be overdue.
|
|||
|
808
|
|||
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809 4. Statements of being a world-class institution should be curtailed,
|
|||
|
810 not oly because of being misleading, but because of the possible
|
|||
|
811 perception that we have solen from needier district to maintain the
|
|||
|
812 status.
|
|||
|
813
|
|||
|
814 5. I would beware of the "questionnaire" approach to district reform.
|
|||
|
815 From past experience results can seem tailored to certain desired out-
|
|||
|
816 comes. And weren't we all a little disturbed by the outcomes of all
|
|||
|
817 those wierd war polls (geesh, I HOPE so!)?
|
|||
|
818
|
|||
|
819 6. I hope the PORTLAND/SCHOOLS section in the Oregonian will feature
|
|||
|
820 mre information on nation and local reforms and that current reports
|
|||
|
821 on problems will be followed up with forums on textbook issues/teach-
|
|||
|
822 ing methods/whatever and features on those local programs reportedly
|
|||
|
823 WORKING (like the ones at Marshall and Benson), given credit where it
|
|||
|
824 is due. If articles were more personalized and descriptive and
|
|||
|
825 emphasized the dedication of those individuals who have most probably
|
|||
|
826 spent hundreds of hours of their own time developing/implementing these
|
|||
|
827 programs, it might make for better "connections" between the schools
|
|||
|
828 and the public.
|
|||
|
829
|
|||
|
830 7. Not included in Bill's "reports" but stated/implied (inferred?)
|
|||
|
831 elsewhere (including the Oregonian's "Stacked Deck" article), I think
|
|||
|
832 the boundaries for board representation and the voting process use4d
|
|||
|
833 should be re-evaluated, that members should be re-elected every TWO
|
|||
|
834 years instead of four (despite the expense), and that strict limits
|
|||
|
835 should be placed on campaign contributions/expenses.
|
|||
|
836
|
|||
|
837 Sorry if this sounds overbearing, presumptuous, vindictive, etc., etc.
|
|||
|
838
|
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|
060=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 06/04/91 18:14 Msg:6164 Call:35378 Lines:26
|
|||
|
839 &*&*&*&*'s
|
|||
|
840 Got to disagree with some of what you say. On the subject of the curiculam
|
|||
|
841 department, as far as I can tell they have been given the authority to do
|
|||
|
842 whatever they want. And guess what? We've gone through three major
|
|||
|
843 curiculum changes in reading in the last six years. They have eliminated
|
|||
|
844 Language usage from the curiculam, and as I understand it, spelling is alwo
|
|||
|
845 right out the door. The math curiculam on the other hand has remained
|
|||
|
846 fairly constant over the last ten years, and external test results are
|
|||
|
847 showing portland achievment in this area to be amount the best in the
|
|||
|
848 country.
|
|||
|
849
|
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|
850 I fully agree with what you say about custodial staff. PSU went through
|
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851 hell a few years ago after going to contracted help.
|
|||
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852
|
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853 On the subject of testing and evaluation, I must disagree. There is at
|
|||
|
854 this time an external entity doing yearly testing, the state of
|
|||
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855 oregon does testing in the 3rd 5th and 8th grades (I believe this is
|
|||
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856 correct.) State wide norms and performance levels will be available
|
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857 next month. The in district testing is amoung the best and most
|
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858 inovative in the country. (Yes, I have reason for HEAVY bias,
|
|||
|
859 as I work in the research and evaluation department as a programer
|
|||
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860 on their computerized adaptive testing system, amoung other things.)
|
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861
|
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862 An Astral Dreamer
|
|||
|
863 &*&*&*&*'s
|
|||
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864
|
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|
061=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 06/04/91 20:38 Msg:6165 Call:35379 Lines:2
|
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865 Has anyone noticed that in exactly one week BWMS will be 10 years old?
|
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|
866 *********************
|
|||
|
062=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 06/05/91 06:37 Msg:6166 Call:35383 Lines:8
|
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867 &*&*&*&*'s
|
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868
|
|||
|
869 Excelent. Did CBBS/NW ever come back? if not then BW would be the oldest
|
|||
|
870 bbs in the state. Heck wouldn't it be the second oldest in the country?
|
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|
871
|
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872 An Astral Dreamer
|
|||
|
873 &*&*&*&*'s
|
|||
|
874
|
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063=Usr:530 Jessie a. 06/05/91 09:59 Msg:6167 Call:35384 Lines:9
|
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875 *!*!*!*!*!*!*!
|
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|
876 CBBS did indeed come back on line. It needs help om donations to stay
|
|||
|
877 there but our oldest BBS in Portland is still there. With the nice BBS
|
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|
878 lists from Lisa Gronke still available. Same number but I believe
|
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|
879 9600 baud is not going to be supported at least for a short while.
|
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880 *!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!
|
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881
|
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882 C
|
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883 off
|
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064=Usr:322 Stray Cat 06/05/91 12:50 Msg:6168 Call:35385 Lines:11
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884
|
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885 ----------------------------------How would that work anyway???
|
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886
|
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|
887 If the custodians were replaced with contract labor, wouldn't PPS have
|
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888 to pay the contractor AND the replaced custodians that first year??? And
|
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|
889 since they're self-insured (that's what I heard) ... what kind of fund
|
|||
|
890 does that come out of? Guess us taxpayers can thank our lucky stars we
|
|||
|
891 got four lawyers on the Board looking out for us, huh?
|
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892
|
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893 ------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
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894
|
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065=Usr:322 Stray Cat 06/05/91 20:00 Msg:6169 Call:35402 Lines:9
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895 #:<#:<#:<#:<#:<#:<#:<#:<#:<#:<#:<#:<#:<#:<#:<#:<#:<#:<#:<#<#:<#:<#:<#:<
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897 Geesh, how WOULD that work when they dump unionized crews for contracted
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898 labor. Do the "old" guys have to work for the new company at lower wages/
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899 no benefits because they will be denied unemployment for turning down a job
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900 offer?
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904 ---------------------------------A Stitch in Time --------------------------
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905
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906 Here I am again <grinnnnnn> ... bet you've all been waiting w/baited breath
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907 for another tirade! Believe or not, even though I HATE doing it, venting
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908 my frustrations seems to make me feel soooooOOOOoooooo must better, so hope
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909 you'll just "bare" with me.
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910
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911 1. The FIRST thing I think PPS should do is implement CONFLICT RESOLUTION
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912 sessions with all personnel (starting with That deparament, with [MOST] dis-
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913 trict administrations second, then the employee unions). I've just gone
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914 thru a 10-yr ordeal that MIGHT make a classic film on what may be wrong w/
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915 the entire universe <GRIN> (and I DON'T exclude myself as part of the prob-
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916 lem BTW).
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917
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918 2. After the entire distrdict has gone thru CR therapy, write new vision
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919 statements (to correlate w/the social studies core curriculum, if that's
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920 what's actually being "taught"). The Board also ought to revision their
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921 mission statement; it sounds too legalistic, like maybe they rely too heav-
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922 ily on evaluation department reports. The district credt, "It's 10% what
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923 happens and 90% your reaction," should either be explained more fully or
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924 changed to something like "We are developing *PEOPLE*" (that was on one of
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925 my yearly evaluations and, although I was quite steamed about it at the time,
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926 in hindsight is actually very beautiful).
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927
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928 3. Concentrate efforts on STAFF DEVELOPMENT. Although I resent those "free
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929 trips" for executives/politicians, I dn't think it's quite the same for
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930 teachers ... educational seminars for those who teach are probably broaden-
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931 ing, inspirational and keeps them up to date. Maybe if channels of commun-
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932 icaton were improved in the district, teachers would need to attend fewer
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933 committee meetings and that needed time out of the classroom could be put to
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934 better use. Because they ar requred to maintain certification thru continu-
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935 ous re-education ON THEIR OWN TIME (to say nothing of the time spent develop-
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936 ing lesson plans/correcting papers at home), it would seem they are more
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937 deserving that [most] administrators of this privelege.
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938
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939 4. I think PUBLIC INFORMATION should work with teachers/principal/curricu-
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940 lum to dispel the possible public misconception that teachers are glorified
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941 babysitters. IF PI *is* responsible for preparing those horribly dry media
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942 statements about the schools (sometimes amounting to little more than lists),
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943 I think they should try to create more warmth and connectedness. If people
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944 oly KNEW the amount of personal time/effort (to say nothing of the headaches/
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945 heartaches) that go into programs like DBAE ... or that teachers went thru
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946 extensive training/private studying AND developed new lesson plans mostly
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947 ON THEIR OWN TIME), a whole different view of school programs might be seen.
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948 Maybe videotaping special programs/conferences/curriculum specialists for
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949 cable access would be helpful. I'd love to see a DBAE or conflict resolu-
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950 tion lession ... maybe even MATH.
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951
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952 5. I hate to even MENTION it, but I feel strong policies should be developed
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953 on abuse/harrassment issues. Teachers are put at a terrible disadvantage if
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954 their sponttaeneity is blocked and "sterile" environments are horrible for
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955 kids. And like the City of Portland, "harrassment" seminars should be held
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956 for all employees (Dick Bogel should get a "grace under pressure" award for
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957 that). Thee again, if there were good channels of communication in the
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958 district, these things MIGHT not happen.
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959
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960 6. Perhaps, for awhile anyway, a RUMOR CONTROL hotline or SUGGESTION box
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961 should be installeed and a public "notebook" of comments maintained for em-
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962 poloyees to read and re-submit those suggestions with which they agree. Or
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963 maybe a "private" PPS BBS "wailing wall" ...
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964
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965 7. The idea of being able to "bankroll" funding sounds WONDERFUL!!! If
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966 that's impossible (but why SHOULD it???), at least let the departmet choose
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967 WHERE it will be contributed/"used" (like the health clinics, ECE, MCME, etc)
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968 I always had the horrible feeling that all the extras when to evaluation for
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969 more computers (I'm a brken record on his ... sorry).
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970
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971 8. Figure out better ways of dealig with PARENT INVOLVEMENT. Many house-
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972 holds with two working parents have little time for public/PTA meetings.
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973 And input based primarily on [nonexistent?] PPS reports or Jeff/Julie's
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974 somewhat slanted reports (does 1st Interstate **OWN** KATU or what??) don't
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975 seem to present an adequate overview or perceptions/perspective (polls/
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976 surveys again ... and my own prejudices/opinions).
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977
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978 9. I think the EXPENSE and authority for School Police should be transferred
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979 to the City. This is not to cast **ANY** dispersons on School Police; it's
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980 just that people using terminology like "axing the fisfits" maintaining
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981 theiri "own" police deprtment makes me VERY nervous (and that might also
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982 reflect on some other problems as well).
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983
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984 10. Write procedures manuals for EVERYTHING people are REQUIRED/SHOULD know,
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985 making them accessible also on computer (AND written in English not legaleeze)
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986 Information SHARING (NOT hoarding/hiding) should become a top priority. Sane
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987 computer policies (adequate hardware/usable software/backup and subdirectory
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988 GUIDElines) are also badly needed. OF COURSE, this should be thoroughly
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989 discussed with those that USE computers first! (oooops, getting dogmatic
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990 again ... sorry).
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991
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992 11. As the largest employer in Oregon, PPS should keep in mind they are
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993 not only setting an example of proper conduct under the constraints of Bal-
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994 lot Measure #5 (keeping in mind their own credo) but that their actions
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995 will ultimately reflect on what/how they are teaching children.
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996
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997 ------------------Hopingthe double-bind works in reverse-------------------
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998
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999 Eval has more computers because we don't buy IBM. 1/3 cost=3xcomputers. smart?
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