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STATUS: ENTER ONLY
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NUMBER OF LINES: 629
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1 If you are in need of help, you need but ask...
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2 ******************** REMOVED: 17 AUG 84 *********************
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3 Welcome to BWMS (BackWater Message System) Mike Day System operator
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4 ************************************************************
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5 GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION
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6 PLACED ON THIS SYSTEM.
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7 BWMS was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS is a privately owned
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8 and operated system which is currently open for use by the general public.
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9 No restrictions are placed on the use of the system. As the system is
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10 privately owned, I retain the right to remove any and all messages which
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11 I may find offensive. Because of the limited size of the system, it will be
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12 periodically purged of messages. (only 629 lines of data can be saved)
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13 To leave a message, type 'ENTER' and use ctrl/C or break to get out of the
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14 ENTER mode. The message is automatically stored. If after entering the
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15 message you find you made a mistake, use the replace command to replace
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16 the line. To exit from the system, type 'OFF' then hang up.
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17 Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system.
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18 ************************************************************
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20 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
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21 A Fresh Disk and nothing to say!!! Rats!!!
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22 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& Lurker &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
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23 ppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
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24 On a table near the back, the piper was peeling shavings off a reed.
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25 From time to time he would blow into the reed and listen critically to
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26
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27 the cawing that ensued, then pass the razor-sharp edge of his skean dubh
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28 down one side or the other. Noticing that the sounds of debate had
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29 faded away, and the sounds of the storytelling had not yet picked up,
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30 he sighed. The ebb and flow of time at the inn imposed its own rythms
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31 on the patrons -- debates surged and died, stories went charging off
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32 with great abandon then disintegrated into myriad conflicts. Placing
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33 the freshly trimmed reed in the chanter, the piper shouldered and winded
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34 his pipes. With a slightly pensive air, he played "the Nut-Brown Maiden."
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35 ppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
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36 ;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;
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Stretching his legs, Laseter stood up and began to look for a palce to
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38 SELL HIS GEMS. THE STREET ON WHICH HE WAS MOVING RAN SOUTH AND EAST SO HE
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started in an easterly direction. he hoped that his hunch on their value
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was good, for if it was he'd be set up for some time. Long enough to be
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ready for Fin when he got there anyway.
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42
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43 ;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;
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44 #%&#%&#%&#%&#%&#%&#%&#%&#%&#%&#%&#%&#%&
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45 HOW FAR BACK DO THE ARCHIVES GO ? I
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46 WOULD BE INTERESTED IN AN 8-INCH VERSION
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47 IN MSDOS IF FAR ENOUGH. 5.25 MIGHT BE
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48 OK AS WELL.
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49 #%&#%&#%&#%&#%&#%&#%&#%&#%&#%&#%&#%&#%&
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50 ;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;
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51 LURKER: YOU COULD HAVE SAID "MADE IT TO THE TOP" (SNIFF!) EVERYBODY
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52 ELSE GETS TO!(WHAAAAA!!!!)
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53 MIKEY: I, FINI FIN (AKA LASETER AND A FEW OTHERS), DO HEREBY SWEAR AND
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54 AFFIRM TO NEVER USE THAT NASTY LITTLE TERMINAL ON THIS BBS AGIN! SEEMS
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55 THE PESKY LITTLE VARMINT DOES TWO LINE FEEDS AT TIME ON A RETURN KEY. I
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56 GUESS THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS FOR FREE, RIGHT?
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57 ;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;
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58
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59 { ^+/* ---------------- ^+/* ---------------- */+^ ---------------- */+^ }
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60 Laz.-Fai.: No, I haven't had the pleasure of reading it. I don't even have
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61 a motorcycle! It's also not clear from your cryptic comment exactly which
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62 direction you are facing, and what you might be seeing. A Zen Master was
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63 once asked, if the essence of Zen is the Three Pillars, why are so many
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64 books written about it? His answer was that they are written for money.
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65 Cistop Mikey: I sure agree that communications is the key to better
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66 understanding between people. The idea of direct satellite transmission
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67 as a vehicle for increased global understanding is an intriguing one. One
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68 of the tricky parts is going to be the removal of the first order filters,
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69 such as the ones that now are used to structure the network news. One of
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70 the great joys of the 'backwater' is being able to read the ideas people
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71 choose to express, without filtering and interpretation. Bravo!, for a
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72 policy that offer the possibility of *real* communication between people.
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73 No doubt, when the history books are written about this era, the computer,
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74 and the ability to communicate-at-a-distance, will go down as two of the
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75 most dramatic factors. They have introduced a vast potential for change.
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76 With any great potential, there is the possibility of using it in a way that
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77 is creative or a way that is destructive. The fact that you are reading this
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78 puts you right in the middle of this process. Whether your influence is
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79 large or small it does count. The rules are still very loose, but major
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80 course directions are already beginning to appear. Computers can be viewed
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81 as 'mind amplifiers', but what of the nature of the signal being amplified?
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82 What of the filters called software? People who create computer software
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83 obviously have major influence on the use domain. After all, aren't computer
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84 programs 'freeze dried intelligence'? If some programmers knew just how
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85 visible their thought are in the code they write, it might give them pause.
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86 When you use a program you are obliged to experience the bias, concept,
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87 and style of the people who created it. This means that people are going to
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88 determine how these things affect our quality of life. Some of them are US!
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89 It might be worthwhile to give some thought to which directions we wish to
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90 support. The writing of the book of values is now being in progress...
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91 { ^+/* --------------- The Mesolithic Mathematician --------------- */+^ }
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92 TO THE MESOLITHIC MATHEMATICIAN:
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93 DO YOU KNOW JOHN GRIFFIN?
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94 WELL,I SURE DO(HINT HINT HINT)
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95
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96 --------------------------------UNKOWN KING-------------------------------------
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98
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99 Call 1-800-321-xxxx-XEROX COMPUTER SERVICE
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100 Call 1-800-828-xxxx-XEROX AGAIN TWO NUMBERS
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101 Call 228-xxxx or Call 228-xxxx
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102 Z-100 KRCK
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103 ***********************:INFORMER:*******************************
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109
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110 TALKING ABOUT MY GENERATION
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111 *$)#*_$%!_%(!_%(!_*(%_*%_@#*_@#*^_#(^_@#(+(^_@*^_@*_^@_^@*#_^*@_@_#*^_@*^_@*^
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112 Set my camera to 'L', not R E A D Y, as some S.O.B. changed it to. Thanks.
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113 *%)@#*%)*@#)*%#)@*)&%*$ L'homme sans parity *%)*%)@#*@#%@#_(_#(%@*#_%@#_%*@#_
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114 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/
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115 Hum, someone around here has seen fit to change a lot of little things recently.
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116 My trailing boarders for example. And now L'homme's
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117 Mesolithic Math:Zen and the art of motorcycle maintinance has nothing to do witx
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118 what the title suggests. It is, however, a very good book.
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119 MiG
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120 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/
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121 Hum someone around here has seen fit to change a lot of little
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122 things recently.
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123 My trailing boarders for example.And now L'homme's
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124 Mesolithic Math:Zen and the art of motorcycle maintinance has
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125 nothin to do witx
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126 what the title suggests. It is, however, a ver good book.
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127 MiG
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128 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/
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129 ---------------===***************COPY CATT**************===---------------------
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130 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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131 Ted,
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132 You categorically state that current interest rates are not a function
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133 of the market. However, by your incomplete definition that follows your
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134 statement, you partialy describe the very forces that determine the market
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135 and thus the rates. How can that be ?....or simply stated either they are
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136 controled without regard to the market and economic conditions ......or they
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137 are taken into account and are a direct result of those factors.
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138 Whats wrong in attracting direct foreign investment ?.
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139 If you think that just because dollars are held overseas they are not
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140 an integral part of money supply....I suggest you re-read the definitions of
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141 M2 & M3 both have considerable eurodollar componets. As for being taxed at a
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142 lower rate...up until July 31st 84 the overseas investor was taxed at a
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143 rate of 30% on any gains. Currently they are taxed on a capital gains basis.
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144 Hardly a condition one could call unfair.
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145 You say " These past few months the government has been pushing the
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146 interest rates to artificial lows "...Where have you been ? In the last 10
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147 months there have been no less than 4 prime rate movements upward. The Federal
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148 Reserve has raised the discount rate at least twice. And bond yields have
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149 steadily gone up...An overall condition that is not indicative of any effort
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150 on the part of government to " artifically lower interest rates ".
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151 On the issue of Continental, I support the bail out. The precedents
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152 of Chrysler, the Hunts etc. aside. One of the major roles of government
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153 is to promote economic stability. To allow a multi-billion dollar institution
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154 , the fifth largest bank in our country, a major clearinghouse and
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155 correspondent of a multitude of mid-western banks, to falter would be to
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156 encourage economic irresponsibility. The Fed is" the lender of last resort "
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157 and does so with great deliberation and reluctance. Their intervention on
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158 behalf of Continental was to promote economic stability....not hinder
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159 american business interests. In the final analysis without governmental
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160 participation the greatest losses would of been in the private sector.
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161 And within that context there can be no qualms with "government interference".
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163 voyeur,
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164 Good...now if we can only get a bloody 5211 to stick around.
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165 ...I had thought that L'homme had without a doubt proved the toxic nature
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166 of that vile orange substance....And yet you went ahead and used the liquid
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167 ...I have recent information that Sloane Kettering is considering its
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168 use for acute " Diceus Abnormalus "...a common mental aberration effecting
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169 players of board games....unfortunatly after the effects wear off the
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170 patient is much worse....
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171
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172 Mig,........any news....
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173
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174 ::::::::::::Alex::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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188 \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
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189 what do people with incurble bad breath do?
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190 become dentists!!!
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192
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193 How did the nurse punish her demanding patient?
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194 She dipped her rectal thermometers in ben gay!!!
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196
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197 ********************************************************** the mad joker *******
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198 ...............................................................................
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199
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200 I would appreciate if anyone could help me with a little problem. It
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201 involves MBasic, serial ports, and a modem. I am trying to read the port
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202 for incoming data ( using the inp command ), or sending data, with the out
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203 command. If any know how to correctly configure a port through Mbasic, and
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204 also can help me with such other problems of this nature. We can communicate
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205 on this system or any others such as CBBS ( 775-xxxx ). Please leave
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206 a note at least on this system. Thanx - Andrew Burke ( Morby )
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207 ...............................................................................
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208 ^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^
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209 Mes. Math. - Even the introduction to the book says it is not about
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210 Zen, or even much about motorcycles. It is really about the
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211 search of one man for Quality. An idea that was murdered by
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212 Aristotle. It is indeed a 'good book', and I do recommend it to
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213 you, as you seem to hold some of its precepts dear.
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214
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215 All - Reagan is back to a 15% lead over all in the country, and
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216 has an even larger Electoral vote margin. Let's hear it
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217 for economic sanity.
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218
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219 ^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^ Laissez-faire ^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^
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221 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/
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222 Copy Catt:cute, very cute. but you made several mistakes, notably the rampant
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223 control characters in the boarders. And I spelled "very" with a y.
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224 Alex:no go, checked all files I could get to and he doesn't seem to exist.
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225 Could this be by design?
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226 Frank:still out there?
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227 MiG-accept no immatations, they are prosably better!
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228 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/
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229 \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
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230 How can one call an economic policy that has produced the highest rate
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231 of poverty in the last 30 years sane? Can one consider our huge "defense"
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232 budget sane? Is building more, and more potent, weapons sound? What
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233 mad reasoning can still support the concept of Mutually Assured Destruction
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234 in light of the proliferation of nuclear technology and the recent report
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235 on the climatic effects of limited nuclear warfare.
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236
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237 Sorry. You got me started on a blather.
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238 Random.
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239 \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/<<*>> <<*>>\/\/\/\/\/\/
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240
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241 .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. ..
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242
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243 Andrew: Do you want to know what you can do with your ports and modems? (ha ha
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244 laugh, that was a joke).
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245 Have you figured it out yet? Oh, and my system won't be up at all.
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246 My pascal disks though it would be funny to delete themselves then
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247 blame it on the other guy. They are not to funny. It was just
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248 starting to look good too. But now...
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249
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250 Alex: Don't your fingures ever get tired? Mine would after typing in all
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251 those pages. Must that new "fingure yoga" that every one is talking
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252 about.
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253
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254 All who| How would you go about changing your system.wrk.text into a runnable
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255 might | file? I have tried but as I mentioned above, my disks don't like
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256 know | me anymore. They always fill the screen with junk then say "Hit
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257 about | Reset!" or they just freez up. Can you turn a workfile into an
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258 Pascal | exacutable file? If not please tell me so I can stop all the fuss
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259 that I'm creating.
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260
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261 .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .Mark. .. .. .. .. ..
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262
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263 I'M IN A BAD MOOD.
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264 DON'T THREATEN ME,I MIGHT TAKE YOU UP ON IT. PROMETHEUS.
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265 ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
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266
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270 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
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271 HIGHEST RATE OF POVERTY IN 30 YEARS?? GEE, THE LAST TIME I SAW THE
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272 UNEMPLOYMENT FIGURES IT WAS THE LOWEST IT HAS BEEN FOR SOME TIME
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273 PARTICULARLY SINCE JIMMY WAS RUNNING THINGS.
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274 ALTHOUGH I WILL AGREE THAT BUILDING MORE NUKES TO BLOW UP THE WORLD
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275 100 TIMES OVER INSTEAD OF ONLY 10 TIMES OVER TO BE SOMEWHAT QUESTIONABLE
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276 IN THE SANITY DEPT., STILL NO ONE HAS COME UP WITH A BETTER IDEA
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277 ON HOW TO HANDLE THE WHOLE PROBLEM. JUST STOPPING WON'T WORK, THAT MUCH
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278 IS KNOWN. SOMETHING ELSE HAS TO BE FIGURED OUT TO STOP THIS MADNESS.
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279 A GOOD START WOULD BE TO FIRE ALL THE LEADERS OF THE MAJOR COUNTRIES
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280 AND REPLACE THEM WITH PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT THE JOB. THAT AND CHANGE
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281 PEOPLE ONCE A YEAR WOULD GO A LONG WAY TOWARDS STABLIZING THINGS. UNFORTUNATLY
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282 IT WILL SIGNIFACANTLY REDUCE PROGRESS AND A SIGNIFICANT LOSS OF CONTROL
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285 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/
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286 Alex:I hafe the disks you mentioneD that you needed. give me A ring
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287 when you can and we can arange xfer of files. It is a 4 disk set.
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288 MiG
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289 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/
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290 :::::::::::::::::::::O O:::::::::::::::O O::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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291 MiG: gee, your messages aren't exciting to read anymore - you seem to
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292 have straightened out your modem. Oh well, from past experience,
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293 it won't last.
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294 ::::::::::::::::::::::O O:::::::voyeur:::::::::O O::::::::::::::::::::::::
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297 FROM HAWTHORNE: THE AGRAVATED
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298 MAN IN GRAY; FORGET VOYEUR. I STILL FIND YOUR ENTRIES EXCITING BUT, THEN AGAIN MY MODEM KEEPS THROWING AN OFF-LINE AT ME
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299 EVERY ONCE AND A WHILE TO KEEP ME INTERESTED.
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300 FOR HE WHO ASKED; PCC FREIND; LAURINDA MCKINLAY. TAKING PASCAL ,COBOL ,CALCULAS ,AND ASSORTED OTHERS COURSES. KNOW HER?
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301 ALEX; I'M STILL IN(DON'T EVER THREATEN ME AGAIN,DREERA)AND DO SO WISH TO BE. DISKINGS ARE OUT OF THE QUESTION. PRINTOUTS?
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303 IT'S EARLY AND I HAVEN'T SLEPT IN THREE DAYS SO I DON'T TRUST MY EYERS, EARS, NOSE AND THROAT AS MUCSH AS EYE USED TO.
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304 MIG- WHERE ARE YOU WHEN I NEED YOU?
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305 GOOD BYE NOW,EVERY ONE AND I THINK MYADRENALINEJUSTRANOUT.
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306 PROMETHE,YOU KNOW THE REST.
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307 BYEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
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308 <+|+> {308} 08150431
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309 ############################################################################
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310
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311 To the missguided defender of RAYGUN above.
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312 Why don't you open your eyes and mind???You appear to be somewhat inteligent
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313 ,at least in your entries (ie: spelling, punctuation etc.) but your attitude
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314 in regards to your fellow human beings leaves a lot to be desired. The
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315 poverty level is indeed up, from 9% in '79 to 15% now. Un-employment is also
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316 still higher than in '79 in spite of what the RAYGUN administration would
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317 like you to believe. Interest rates are a direct result of the Federal
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318 spending not of Wall Street. The federal reserve has kept the lid on somewha
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319 in spite of RAYGUN. If it wasn't for Volker we'd probably be at 25%
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320 unemployment and 30% interest on morgtages. Our drugstore cowboy in the
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321 Whitehouse is suffering from incurable
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322 "I can do no wrong" syndrome and has not
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323 been able to see the country beyond his own limited views
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324
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325 A vote for another four years of this fiasco is a vote for nuclear war and
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326 a return to the middleages, right wing born-again attitudes. We need to go
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327 back to the 1800's like we need to have dioxin in our drinking water.
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328
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329 #################C.Y.M.##############################LIFE LONG DEMOCRAT &
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330 PROUD OF IT!!!!!########################
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331
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332
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333 { ^+/* ---------------- ^+/* ---------------- */+^ ---------------- */+^ }
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334 Just a few quick replys. I'll save the raving for another time.
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335 UNKNOWN KING: If you refer to the one called 'barefoot' I have had some
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336 'remote' encounters, if you get my drift! By the way isn't your name
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337 somewhat of a dichotomy in terms?
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338 Laissez-faire: I'm sure it's a good book but I'd be more interested in
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339 hearing what you think about such ideas. You sure hit the nail on the
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340 head about Aristotle. I believe he also has the dubious distinction of
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341 being the first in recorded history to place the accomplishments of
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342 technology at the hands of political power, to wage war! Yes, Quality
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343 is one value that I feel is worth supporting.
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344 MiG: I'd be very interested in what your thoughts and ideas are concerning
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345 such values as the ones expressed in the book.
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346 { ^+/* --------------- The Mesolithic Mathematician --------------- */+^ }
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347
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348 ;-;-;-;-;;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;;--;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;
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349 OH PLEASE! NOT RONNIE AGAIN!! I CONSIDERED ANY INDIVIDUAL IN THE "HOTSEAT"
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350 AS BEING SOMEWHAT QUESTIONABLE IN THE FIRST PLACE. I ASK THE FOLLOWING OF
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351 ANY AND ALL:
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352 1.WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION TO THE IRANIAN HOSTAGE "CRISIS"?
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353 2.DO YOU FEEL FORMER PRESIDENT CARTER PERFORMED ADEQUATELY DURING THIS PERIOD?
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354 3.WOULD YOU "BUY" A USED VICE PRESIDENT FROM HISS ADMINISTRATION?
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355 4.DO YOU HONESTLY FEEL THAT MR. MONDALE IS GOING TO MAKE THINGS BETTER IF HE
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356 GETS ELECTED?
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357 I COULD GO ON, BUT I'VE LITTLE TASTE FOR DISCUSSING OUR SOMEWHAT DUBIOUS
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358 "CHOICES" FOR A NATIONAL LEADER THIS YEAR. HAD THE DEMOCRATS PRODUCED A WOMAN
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359 WITH THE PROPER CREDENTIALS FOR PRESIDENT I MIGHT BE EXICTED ABOUT WHAT MY
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360 PARTY HAS TO OFFER. HOWEVER, I'M GETTING RERUNS FROM THE LATE SEVENTIES. SIGH!
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361 AS FOR UNCLE RONNIE, I CAN ONLY SAY THAT THE MAN HAS DONE SOME VERY GOOD THINGS
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362 FOR US, (I'M WORKING AGAIN) AND SOME PRETTY STUPID THINGS ALSO. JUST HEARD
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363 HE HAD THE AUDACITY TO DECLARE WE PASSED LEGISLATION BANNING THE USSR. THANKS
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364 A BUNCH!! REMEMBER, THE SOVIET PEOPLE HEAR ONLY WHAT THE KREMLIN SAYS AND I
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365 WILL BET A BUCK THEY WILL HAVE A FIELD DAY WITH THIS!
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366 ;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;FIN;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;
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367
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368 $%$%$ MIG - Yes, I'm still here. Did you miss me? Frank $%$%$
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369
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370 ^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^
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371
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372 FIN - You are right, they are having a field day with this. But I will admit
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373 it was a pretty stupid remark. But every one has the opportunity to
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374 stuff his mouth with foot now and then.
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375
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376 M.M. - I feel that the concept of arete' as espoused by the sophists that
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377 were so violently attacked by Aristotle was most illuminating.
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378 That was a major turning point in history and evolution. Prior
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379 to that time most thought was governed by the right hemisphere of
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380 the brain. Since that time, with the advent of applied reason,
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381 most thought has been governed by the left brain. The left brain
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382 is called the 'rational side' of the mind, while the right brain
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383 is referred to as the 'feeling' side of the brain.
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384 We may have reached a point in human history that will force a
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385 return to pre-Aristotelian thinking. I do not know if that is true
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386 or not, but it seems that something will happen. Soon.
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387 The Christians among us (Deborah comes to mind) do not feel that
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388 a nuclear war is possible, and perhaps they are right. I do not
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389 know, being an agnostic. I am leaning towards Christianity,
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390 however, as it seems a good way to cope with the fear.
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391
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392 Others - Reagan has done an admirable job with the economy. My money
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393 value has stabilized, any one who WANTS to work has a job available
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394 to him/her, and a new wave of self and country esteem is
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395 spreading through the nation. Not a bad bunch of accomplishments.
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396
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397 ^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$ Laissez-Faire $^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^
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398
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399 WE ARE ALL AGNOSTICS. SOME OF US ARE HONEST ENOUGH TO ADMIT IT.
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400 WE ARE CALLED PRAGMATISTS, AMONG OTHER THINGS. OTHERS ARE NOT
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401 HONEST ENOUGH TO ADMIT THEIR AGNOSTICISM. THEY ARE CALLED
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402 CHRISTIANS, AMONG OTHER THINGS. THEY BELIEVE IT IS RIGHT, HOLY
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403 ETC, TO CONVERT OTHERS TO THEIR SYSTEM OF BELIEF BY INSTILLING
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404 FEAR IN THEM. FEAR OF SPENDING A VERY LONG TIME IN A VERY HOT
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405 PLACE.THIS IS PARTICULARLY TRUE IF YOUNG IMPRESSIONABLE CHILDREN.
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406 SOME 'CHRISTIANS', IE OTHER BRANCHES OF RELIGIOUS DOGMA LIKE
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407 MUSLIMS, ISLAMICS,ETC, BELIEVE THAT THOSE WHO DISAGREE WITH THEM
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408 SHOULD BE PUT TO DEATH, AS DID THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH. IF
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409 SOMEONE SPEAKS OUT AGAINST US, THEN SILENCE THEM. PUT THEM TO
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410 DEATH, LEST PEOPLE START TO THINK FOR THEMSELVES. THINK
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411 ABOUT IT. THE 'CHURCHES' HAVE BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR MANY TIMES
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412 MORE DEATHS,TORTURE,BROKEN FAMILIES, WRECKED LIVES, THAN
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413 HITLERS WERMACHT.
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414 TIMES CHANGE. PEOPLE WILL NOT STAND FOR HANGING SUSPECTED
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415 HERETICS. (CONFESS THOU ART A WITCH, OR WE WILL HANG THEE.
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416 "AND IF I CONFESS? " "WHY, WE WILL HANG THEE".)
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417 PEOPLE HAVE LEARNED TO THINK, INSTEAD OF HAVING THEIR THINKING
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418 DONE FOR THEM BY SELF APPOINTED 'SAVIOURS WHO HIDE BEHIND THEIR
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419 PULPUTIC BASTIONS OF HYPOCRICY.
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420 MORE LATER?? THE PHANTOM PHILOSOPHER
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421 ;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;--
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422 Yes, the taste of athletes foot should be a familiar on to all. I can't say
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423 I've relished my share. No doubt some would say it's a step in the lessons
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424 ################################################################################
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425 PHANTOM PHILOSOPHER: WHY DID YOU CHANGE YOUR NAME FROM DEMIAN II TO PHANTOM
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426 PHILOSOPHER? I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY YOU CHANGED FROM C.Y.M. TO DEMIAN BUT
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427 I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS LATEST CHANGE. MAX
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428 ################################################################################
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429 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/
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430 Mesolithic Math:It was long ago that I read it, I shall dig it out again and
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431 see what I can remember after reading some of it again.
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432 Voyeur:Gee, thanks, but that last message looked a little ragged to me
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433 as I had to change 1 line 4 times before my modem would let me get by with
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434 only a few errors.
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435 Frank:I was just wondering why you had not made any replies to what is being
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436 said here. I find your opinions to be of value in forming my own.
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437 Hawthorn:Why are you angered? If you don't wish to tell the world, get on PCS/
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438 CBBS under a name I can deal with typing, and start a conversation?
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439 I am sure by now that you know how to send private mail.
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440 Political folk:I would love to reply, but I have to go to the unemployment
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441 office now.
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442 MiG
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443 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/
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444 ................................................................................
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445 As for Reagan sticking a foot in his mouth, it was some more than that, it
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446 was a whole shoestore. I agree that Reagan's stands on economic issues are
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447 more likely to keep this country's economy afloot. But we must realize that
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448 good ol' Ronnie might just get us all killed, and then who cares about
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449 the economy. I believe that Reagan is completely out of touch with certain
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450 issues, mainly U.S. - U.S.S.R. relations. Someone who calls Russia " the
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451 evil empire " is definately a threat. His ideas would not be so bad,
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452 providing that he were in the old actors home in a position of no authority,
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453 as opposed to holding the key to nuke the world. We cannot have someone
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454 in office who believes that the Soviet Union must be exterminated, because
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455 to attempt this would be signing our own death warrant. Good ol' Ronnie just
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456 lives in a psuedo reality when people get killed, they come to life agin
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457 once the filming stops. He may not directly believe this, but it is my opinion
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458 that this idea lurks in the back of his head.
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459 The other problem is that Ron is really just to old. He has lived a great
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460 long life, so what does he care if the world is ruined after he departs
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461 and goes to heaven. Of course he does not directly believe this, but again
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462 it lurks in the back of his head. I cannot accept a President that no
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463 matter how good his economic policies are, that has brought on the worst
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464 relations towards the Soviet Union in quite some time, if not ever. This
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465 is not to say that I like Mondale at all ( I don't ), but while the economy
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466 suffers, at least we have better chances of being in existance. Having
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467 a previously wonderful economy in a place that is radioactve wasteland
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468 is bullshit ( excuse the language please ). Being unconfortably dead
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469 is not a better state for this country and the world, besides the fact
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470 that it doesn't appeal to me.
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471 Anyone want to help me with the MBasic problem?
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472 I have said enough - Andrew
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473 ................................................................................
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474 RAINdeer was a slick operation-the land, buildings, farm equipment,and a fleet
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475 of white edsels (symbol of pure idiocy according to L'homme) bespoke a large
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476 capital base. It was a great arrangement. The Rajneeshies were happy to
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477 devote their wealth and energies to Dangerfield and he was happy to take
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478 them. The followers got spiritually fulfilled and dangerfield got rich and
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479 powerful. What a deal. But I had to envy them. I sometimes despised my
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480 rigorous intellect which prevented the blissful unreasoning surrender of
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481 blind faith.
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482 "That building's hot," L'homme broke my thoughts. HOT???
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483 Ma Prem had left us to arrange the meeting with the Head Consul. A slender
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484 dark-eyed girl walked over to L'homme. "Terrific camera," she said loudly.
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485 Then, softly and quickly, "You are alll in danger. Don't look in that
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486 building. Don't even try. You must leave now. Please..." Her huge eyes
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487 widened, "take me with you. I will find you when it is time." She turned
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488 and was gone.
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489 "Gosh," said Josh.
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490 Rivers suddenly appeared. Had she seen? Her face was a mask of serenity.
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491 We hurried to the Head Consul chambers. As we crossed a narrow opening be-
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492 tween two buildings, We were engulfed in a pervasive rumbling sound. A
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493 huge tractor was almost upon us. I plastered myself to the wall beside us,
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494 but Ma Prem froze facing the enormous machine. Joshua tackled her and
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495 shoved her into a doorway. The tractor trundled past us and crashed into one
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496 of the barns. We scrambled up to the driver, a tall dark man with a thick
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497 greying mustache and a ragged hole in his left temple. Rivers' face was
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498 contorted with shock and grief. "Blackwell," she gasped. "Oh, God - not
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499 Blackwell."
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500 TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT Gaudy Minsky TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
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501 ____________________________________________________________________________
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502 Andrew : Good god! Do you really believe what you write? I am bewildered
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503 that anyone could think thusly. "In the back of his mind"? Get serious!
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504 Do you really think that because someone is old they have less of a zest
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505 for life? Do you really believe that the old don't care about the future
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506 since they have lived what you call a "long" life? Be rational about it.
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507 CYM : "There you go again". As abusive as ever. It never ceases to amaze me
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508 how people who utilize technology nearly always return to their primal
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509 instincts of attack attack attack, abuse, abuse, abuse when using said
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510 technology. Your voice is a heated one. Hot, but devoid of maturity. Can
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511 you really be honest about feelings without insulting? Can you deal with
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512 others on an equal level? I think not. You have never demonstrated any
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513 sign of temerance. Your entries simply remind the rest of us that there
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514 are dangerous people out there. People to be avoided. People who must be
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515 feared because that little timebomb in their head could go off at any
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516 moment. I hope I am nowhere near you when that huge chip you seem to be
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517 carrying around on your shoulder falls off. The damage is unthinkable.
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518 Phantom Philosopher : Your anti-religious stand has an interesting tone
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519 to it. You too sound like someone who has been hurt be religion sometime
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520 in the past, and you are extracting revenge with the pen by overreacting
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521 to religious issues. Your convictions are strong, but so to are those who
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522 would fight you. You may sing your song of anger loud and strong, but for
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523 the most part it will fall on deaf ears. There can be no re-alignment now.
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524 It is far too late hundreds of years before you were born.
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525 L.F. and M.M. : Of all the discussions I read on here of late, only yours
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526 resembles the sputterings of logical man. You contemplate the origins
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527 of neo-political thinking, and equate them with the adjustment of thought
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528 method. That is an interesting course, abliet incorrect though. Poor
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529 ancient Greek philosophers, while possibly basking in the light of your
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530 credits, would hardly take true credit for the things you say. As any
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531 anthropologist would know, mans adjustment to his environment is not
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532 wrought out of sudden change brought on by a single thought, but is changed
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533 through the years by continuous social pressures. These pressures come from
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534 the need to change in the first place. A vicious circle no? There can be no
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535 greater need for change than danger to a life-threatening situation. The
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536 change itself, magnified many times by the passing years becomes the new
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537 standard, until it too must be modified. The changes you so adeptly pointed
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538 out are merely the current response to our environment. Man is on the move.
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539 He will not stagnate. It is impossible given the history and conditioning
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540 of man. Change is as inevitable as the change in tides. Credit for change
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541 must be given to Man himself, not individual men. Men may modify eddys,
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542 but Real change was wrought in the hearts and minds of the human creature
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543 at creation.
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544 I have taken a great deal of time now, but I felt I must respond to the
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545 slings and arrows of my fellow user. You may or may not hear more from
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546 me, for I have done my stated purpose. If you care to answer my word,
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547 then address your replies to Mellow Man.
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548 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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549 them as I see them. I have been around this world quite a while and I can
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550 probably read the writing on the wall (as well as between the lines) a lot bette
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551 than most. I've lived under both Democratic & Republican administrations
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552 and been of voting age in the last 9 elections. Never before has the country
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553 been in worse shape (financially & moraly) The present occupant of the
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554 presidency is undoubtably the worst we have ever endured. I never thought
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555 I'd say it but where is Nixon now. Even Nixon wasn't so insensitive to the
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556 American people '
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558 At least he did resign!!!!
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562 /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
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563 The pity is, all this talk, talk, talk, won't change a THING.
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564
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565 As for instantaneous global communication, I see this as a effective step
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566 toward univeral tolerance. To remove myth and fear from people's
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567 perceptions of others is to acheive freedom. How does the Kremlin retain
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568 power? Mostly by force, but partly by guile: "Those profit hungry imper-
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569 ialistic madmen will destroy us! If we don't ... blah, blah". No doubt
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570 many Russians believe. And we hear like words from Washington. The greater
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571 reach we have as individuals the greater chance we have to show ourselves
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572 as loving and alive. I believe we will have the opportunity to remove the
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573 myths and fears we hold. That we will do it in my lifetime, however, is
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574 doubtful.
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577 Religion: I gave up the god myth. '' ''
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578 /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/<* > <* >/\/\
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581 WELL, IS ALL THAT STUFF ABOVE DONE? WHAT WAS IT? LINE FEEDS?
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582 MELLOW MAN. WRONG. I AM NOT A PERSON WHO WAS "HURT" BY RELIGION
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583 I AM A PERSON WHO HAS SEEN A LOT OF OTHERS HURT BY RELIGION.
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584 WHAT I WAS ATTEMPTING TO SAY IS THAT I BELIEVE IN A LITTLE TRUTH
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585 IN PROSELYTIZING (LOOKED IT UP, LOAM), LIKE WE NOW HAVE IN LENDING.
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586 YES, I WAS EXPOSED TO RELIGION AS A CHILD, BY A VERY GREAT MAN.
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587 A MINISTER. MY FATHER. HE TAUGHT ME THAT HIS BELIEFS WERE NOT
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588 NECESSARILY EVERYONES BELIEFS. I LEARNED TO THINK FOR MYSELF.
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589 NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO LIE, STEAL, CHEAT, LITERALLY KIDNAP
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590 COERCE, THREATEN, ETC ETC, ANYONE
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591 ELSE IN ORDER TO 'CONVERT' THEM TO THEIR BELIEFS. BUT THEY DO.
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592 EVERY DAY. RELIGION HAS IT'S PLACE IN THIS WORLD. CHURCHES
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593 DO COUNTLESS GOOD FOR MILLIONS OF PEOPLE. I HAVE NO QUARREL
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594 WITH SUCH. WHAT I AM OPPOSED TO IS THE "DO THIS, THAT, AND
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595 WHATEVER ELSE, OR GOD WILL SEND YOU TO HELL".WHAT DISGUSTS ME IS
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596 RELIGION FOR A PRICE. CATHOLOCISM EG. EXCOMMUNICATION
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597 WHICH, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IS A NE WAY TICKET TO THE RIVER STYX.
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598 WHAT I DO NOT LIKE ARE THE ORAL ROBERTS, L. RON HUBBARDS, SUN MYUNG MOONS
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599 ETCETCETC. NOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND? MAX. WRONG.I AM NEITHER.PHANTOM PHILOSOPHER.
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604 "OMEGA SIX,OMEGA SIX! ARE YOU CAPABLE OF RECEIVING ME?"
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605 FOR THE MOMENT, I CIRCLED THE GUARDTOWER'S OF THE ENCAMPMENT
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606 AND THANKED STILETTO FOR SILENCE MODIFIED MINICOPTERS.
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607 STATIC, AND MORE STATIC. THIS MADE TWO DAYS OMEGA HADN'T MADE
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608 IT TO HIS TRANSMITTER. THIS WAS TOTALLY UNLIKE THE AGENT I KNEW.
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609 I THOUGHT BY NOW WE WOULD HAVE TWO TOP HEAVY FEMALES IN A OUT
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610 OF THE WAY CANTINE, AND WORKING OUR WAY THROUGH THE LIQUOR SELE-
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611 CTION.
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612 "OMEGA SIX,IF YOU RECEIVE,FUEL LOW HEADING BACK TO CLEARNG." I
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613 CHOKED BACK A LUMP IN MY THROAT AND SAID I'D BE BACK SOON.
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614 IF I'D HAVE TRIED FOR FIVE OR SIX MOMENTS LONGER I COULD HAVE
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615 MADE OUT A CRY,AND A PLEA FOR MY HELP. BUT I ALSO WOULD HAVE
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616 CRASHED INTO THE GUARDS BARRACKS SO I LEFT MY FREIND AND BARELY
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617 GOT BACK TO THE CLEARING WITH AN EIGHTEENTH OF A CELL LEFT IN MY
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618 POWER SUPPLY.
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619 STILETTO AND MISS WAINWRIGHT, BOTH ASKED IN UNISON "ANYTH..."
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620 THEIR VOICES TRAILED OFF WHEN, I GUESS, THEY SAW ME FROWN.
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624 V
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625 V5V
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626 VVVVV
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627 NULL SET: OMEGA CAN'T HEAR YOU. HE HAS BEEN UH, WELL, HE HAS
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628 DISAPPEARED. WASSIR: HAR HAR. WELL, I CAN TAKE A JOKE. MEANWHILE
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629 WHERE ARE YOU? DELTA FIVE
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