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STATUS: ALL ALLOWED
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NUMBER OF LINES: 629
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1 If you are in need of help, you need but ask...
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2 ******************** REMOVED: 30 NOV 83 *****************************
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3 Welcome to BWMS (BackWater Message System) Mike Day System operator
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4 ************************************************************
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5 GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION PLACED ON
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6 THIS SYSTEM.
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7 BWMS was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS is a privatly owned
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8 and operated system which is currently open for use by the general public.
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9 No restrictions are placed on the use of the system.
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10 It is intended that the system be normally used for messages and
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11 advertisments by the users. As the system is privatly owned, I retain the
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12 right to remove any and all messages which I may find offensive
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13 to me. Additionally because of the limited size of the system, it will be
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14 periodically purged of older messages. (only 629 lines of data can be saved)
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15 The saved information will be cycled to drive 'B' while the information on
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16 drive 'B' will be archived, and a fresh disk will be installed in drive 'A'.
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17 To leave a message, type 'ENTER' and use ctrl/C or break to get out
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18 of the enter mode. The message is automaticly stored.
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19 If after entering the message you find you made a mistake,
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20 use the replace command to replace the line.
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21 To exit from the system, type 'OFF' then hang up.
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22 Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system.
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23 ========================================
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25 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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27 An observation,
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29 While visiting family & friends yesterday the enevitable topic of
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30 T-D-A often came up for discussion. These people and the ones I have
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31 spoken to since the broadcast seem to fall into distinct categorys.
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32 the 12- 30 year olds seem to care intensly what is occuring
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33 in the nuclear sphere. The 30-45 seem mildly curious to indiffrent.
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34 The 45-60 seem altogether complacent with the current state of affairs
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35 And 60 + seem to favor the nuclear option as a means to control Soviet
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36 expansion ..
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37
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38 Have any of patrons of this fair inn had a similar observation ??
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39
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40 erhaps only the young should advise ?
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41
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42 On a lighter note,
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43 Who amongst us will decide the time & place for the rendevous ??
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44 I think each comment on this disk should be prefaced with a
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45 << time >>
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46 and
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47 <<place >>
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48 and on a subsequent disc we can all argue the merits of each. For
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49 now just get some !! INPUT !!
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50
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51 :::::::::::::::Alex:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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52 I got it!!!! I got it!!!!
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53 Here it is!!
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54 Where:Lawrence, Kansas
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55 When:The Day After!!!!
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56
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57 Sorry about that one, folks. Just had to.....
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58 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Anon :::::::::
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59 HELP NEEDED FILE Jim Carr
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60 I know a little Basic annd not much else so these questions
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61 may display my lack of experience.
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62
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63 . I was supplied with both MSDOS and CP/M86 when I purchased
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64 Columbia Data Products MPC. I started using MSDOS right away.
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65 now have to keep separate cpm formatted copies of all my
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66 ftware if I want to experiment with CP/M86?
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67 What are the benefits of CPM over MSDOS and vice-versa?
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68 I purchased a hi res rgb color monitor with my system, thinking
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69 hat I would be able to use it as amber or green or any color
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70 l. I now find, much to my disgust that the colors on the
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71 een are totally under the control of the particular software
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72 am in use at the time-mostly in B&W monochrome and written
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73 n assembler or something that I can`t alter. I can control
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74 olors from basica only and these commands are overridden as
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75 soon as I return to SYSTEM. Is there any way that I can add to
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76 modify my operating system or any program I can write in basic
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77 h will give me color control. Can't you fool the system
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78 elling it that "black = blue" or something? This really irritates
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79 I do not find B&W to be either attractive or restful. Help!
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80 4. My Basica Manual is entitled "Microsoft GWBasic/Basica".
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81 What is GWBasic? My MSDOS diskette contains a program called
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82 BASIC86. What is BASIC86?
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83 How can I use Basic to call and run programs (basic and otherwise)
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84 a disk?
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85 How can I cause MSDOS to list a file directly to the printer?
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86 I received the wordprocessor PERFECT WRITER with my system.
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87 using it with a Gemini 10 printer to try and produce Gemini's
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88 oportional character ROM set" in boldface (emphasize) or
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89 blestrike mode. The use of this character set seems to disable
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90 the other print features which are supposed to be "nestible",
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91 won't nest in conjunction with this character set.
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92 How can I send Control Codes to my Gemini outside of going to
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93 y wordprocessor?
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94 . I understand that the characters on my keyboard have ASCII
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95 ues other than the literal. Where would I look to find a
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96 e of these values? If CTRL A = 1 then what = 0? Can fractional
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97 ues be expressed? (1.5,2.6,etc)
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108 The last message by me was an attempt to pass a file to the system
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109 whioe in enter mode instead of composing a message while on the sys.
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110 while in enter mode instead of composing it on the system. A few
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111 of the right hand columns got cut off and I couldn't figure our
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112 couldnt figure out how to kill the message after I screwed it up.
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113 Sorry. If anyone can make anything out of it or wants to tell me
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114 how to get into one of these messages and edit, PLEASE leave
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115 a message for me here or on CBBS NW, PMS< or Forsberg's RCP/M.
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116 Iobviously need all the help I can get. Jim Carr......
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119 I hate to tell you folks this, but Carl Sagan is NOT a good example of a
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120 scientist who lets his scientific judgement override his ambitions &
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121 emotions. As an example, his "nuclear winter" hypothesis has been more
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122 or less discredited in testimony before congress (about 2 weeks ago). He
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123 was assuming a number of non-factual conditions. For instance, ALL the
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124 blasts were assumed to be 20 megaton ground bursts, in reality the
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125 average warhead is considerably smaller (say 200-500 kiloton).
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126 Also he is depending on a "threshold effect" for which there is NO
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127 evidence. Not only would this effect have to exist, it would have
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128 to involve a truly fantastic discontinuity. (I am NOT saying it
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129 is impossible,
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130 just not very damn likely).
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131 A couple of disks back someone said that Portland had a 20-meg warhead
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132 targeted on it. I seriously doubt that, we more likely have 2-3 warheads
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133 in the 100-500 kiloton range targeted. I also take SERIOUS exception to
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134 the radius of effect he gave. A 20-megaton blast has only TEN times
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135 the radius of effect of a 20-kiloton blast (square-cube law). If anyone
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136 is really interested, I can recomend some books.......
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137 My only real objection to "The Day After" is that they assumed that
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138 NO ONE had ANY idea of what to do after the bombs start falling.
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139 There are quite a few people who would know what to do. They could have
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140 shown at least ONE family that had a PREVIOUSLY PREPARED AND STOCKED
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141 fallout shelter, & knew what else needed to be done.
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142 I feel that no matter WHERE you stand on the nuclear arms question, you
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143 should be able to realize that we are going to need to know what to do
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144 before, during, & after a nuclear strike. Disarmament is a great idea,
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145 but until there are NO nuclear weapons (& no chance of any being
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146 produced), anyone who ignores such things is a fool. I will gladly
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147 answer questions about such things, or at least try to suggest sources
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148 for answers. (yes, I know this kind of discussion makes people
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149 uncomfortable, but consideration of the results of NOT knowing
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150 these things should make you even MORE uncomfortable!)
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151 _______________________________Leonard_________________________
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152 Old Programmer had an 8,
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153 EAE I/O,
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154 And on this 8 he had some core,
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155 EAE I/O,
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156 With a read line here
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157 And a write line there,
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158 Here a bit, there a bit,
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159 Everywhere a sense line,
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160 Old Programmer had an 8,
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161 EAE I/O.
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163 ... And on this 8 he had a TTY....
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164 With a chunk! chunk! here
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165 And a clunk! whirr! there,
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166 Here a chunk! there a chunk!
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167 Everywhere a misprint...
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169 ...And on this 8 he had punch tape...
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170 With a sprocket hole here
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171 And a sprocket hole there,
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172 Here a punch, there a punch,
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173 Everywhere a rubout...
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174
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175 ...And on this 8 he had DECtape...
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176 With a block search here
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177 A direct'ry there,
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178 Here a block, there a block,
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179 Everywhere a rewind...
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180
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181 ...And on this 8 he had a disk...
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182 With a sector here
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183 And a sector there,
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184 Here a track, there a track,
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185 Everywhere a head crash...
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187 ...And on this 8 he had FORTRAN...
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188 With a FORMAT here
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189 And a GOSUB there,
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190 Here an IF, there a DO,
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191 Everywhere a GOTO...
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193 Old Programmer had an 8,
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194 EAE I/O,
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195 And on this 8 he had software,
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196 EAE I/O,
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197 With a file name here
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198 And a Macro there,
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199 Here a bug, there a bug,
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200 Everywhere a *** SYS CRASH ***
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201 ***ERROR 12: INVALID CODE O
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202 ON EAE I/O***.
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203 ###########################H.A.R.L.I.E. & P-1###########################
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204 Leonard:
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205 It isn't quite true that a 20Mton bomb would have a radius of effect
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206 ten times that of a 20 Kton bomb. First, since the level of electromagnetic radiation decreases based on the inverse-
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207 square law, the radius of effect is greater by a factor of 31, not 10. Second, the amount of radioactive material generated
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208 might be equally different, resulting in a different radius of effect. All in all, I'd say the inverse-square law will hold
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209 for most effects.
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210 For an interesting study of missile against silo probabilities, see the most recent Scientific American. This
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211 article points out that the likelihood of actually destroying a silo is not well known.
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212 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Anon ::::::::::::::::::
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214 To Jody, see you tomorrow. Bon soir!
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216 Re: Nukes. I would tend to agree with leonard's estimation of what might
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217 be targeted at Portland. Even with one 20 meg warhead hitting us, the entire
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218 area might not be obliterated to the Soviets satisfaction. 2 or 3 lesser
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219 warheads aimed at more strategic locations could certainly do a better job.
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220 What is this about the Nuclear Winter theory being rebuked? That would be
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221 calling some very prominent scientists, who happen to agree with Sagen on
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222 this point, wrong. Sure not every blast will be a ground blast, infact,
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223 from my understanding, a large percentage of warheads are set for high
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224 altitude airburst. Of course no one knows the threshold point either, but
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225 I believe the scientists threshold was a starting point. Just like every
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226 theory has a starting point somewhere. The nuclear winter appeals to the
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227 common sense in alot of people. It is not outlandish to believe such a
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228 thing could not happen. I would certainly change my mind if I were presented
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229 with better arguments against the theory than for it. Anyone have anything
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230 besides un-quoted magazine articles(and Rolling Stone does not count!)
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231 What about it leonard? If you are going to shoot holes in Nuclear Winter,
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232 you better be prepared to defend your accusations. I will look for your next
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233 message...
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237 LUKE: I SURE HOPE YOU GET THIS BEFORE YOU HEAD OFF FOR THE CTC. I HAVE A
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238 COLD. WELL, ITS MORE LIKE HAYFEVER. YOU CAN'T IMAGINE HOW MANY COLD PILLS I
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239 HAVE TAKEN (NOT TO MENTION VITAMIN C). I ALMOST THINK I AM AN ADDICT. I WILL
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240 BE THERE! BUT BEWARE. I MIGHT HAVE THE SNIFFLES OF THE SNEEZES OR WATERY
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241 EYES. OR ALL OF THE ABOVE. (should be)!SNIFFLES OR THE SNEEZES!
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242
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243 I IMAGINE THIS MEETING ISG TO BE QUITE WHAT EITHER OF US HAVE EXPECTED. BUT
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244 I WILL TRY TO DO MY BEST TO MAKE IT A SUCESS.
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245
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246 I DON'T KNOW WHAT I WILL WEAR BUT I WILL BE THE RED HEAD WITH THE CONFUSED
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247 LOOK ON HER FACE (most likely with a red nose from all this sneezing). I CAN
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248 JUST SEE IT NOW. THIS IS GOING TO BE A DISASTER. I COULD LOOK AT IT FROM A
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249 DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW THOUGH. IT MIGHT EVEN TURN OUT OKAY IF I DO. I THINK
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250 I WILL BE OPTOMISTIC THEN. I HOPE YOU ARE TOO!
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251
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252 AU REVOIR LUKE-
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253 :*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*-JODY-:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:**:*:*:*:*:*:
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254
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255 Leonard, One thing you forgot to mention, is that airborne atomic bombs
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256 are not exploded on impact, another aspect that Sagan was using in his
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257 figures. An Atomic bomb is an electronicly controled device it can not
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258 take an impact and function properly. As such they are designed to
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259 explode in the air not on impact. Typically this is several hundred yards
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260 to about 1/4 mile. Also, Anon; I might point out that the effects of hte
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261 bomb are quite varied. They depend largly on the prevalent conditions.
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262 If there are clouds, the lay of the land, the wind direction and speed
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263 (both lower and upper atmosphere). The various effect componets will
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264 be effected differently. Clouds will inhibit radioactive fallout from
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265 reaching the upper attmosphere, While mountains and large structures
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266 will impead the progress of any blast wave as well as the electromagnectic
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267 and light flash. Also, while the United States does prefer the smaller
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268 bombs (100-500KT) because they are more reliable, and are easier to
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269 control, the Russians still tend towards the larger type bombs
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270 (10-50MT). This is largely because they are not as adept at bomb making
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271 and so the designs tend to be a bit cruder. As such they go for the
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272 big bombs 'just to be sure'. However, most of the bombs that both sides
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273 have pointing all over Europe are of the smaller class. (50MT bombs
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274 aren't exactly portable). Russia has built a 100MT bomb, but it is
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275 rather wastfull of material. It seems that a good portion of the
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276 active bomb material is destroyed before it has time to become an
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277 active part of the explosion. Oh yes, Atomic bombs don't explode
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278 instantly they take up to 10 milliseconds to reach critical point.
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279 (Depending on size of bomb). Also, Anon/Leonard you are right, several
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280 small bombs are far more effective then one big bomb. Even the military
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281 knows this, they use the big bombs more for 'effect' then work. Which
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282 is why they are called strategic weapons. While the smaller ones are
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283 called tactical weapons. The tactical weapons are intended to do the
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284 real work of destroying things.
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285 By the way Leonard, yes please do provide us with your sources so that
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286 the users can become more enlightened.
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287 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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290 But Lenny you forgot to inform us about the Firestorms after the
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291 exchange and all the particulate & noxious fumes that would cover
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292 the northern hemisphere ??
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293 trending to the south ??
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295 Yes please do enlighten us with your sources
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297 YA LENNY. SPILL THE BEANS. BEFORE WE GIVE YOU AN I/O ERROR
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299 HELLO, THIS IS PAUL HOUSER
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302 A houser, eh? Hoser maybe? 'ey, take off!
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306 SAY! I HAVE AN IDEA, BEING SUITIBLE TO THE MODE OF THE INN, I COULD
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307 SAY THAT I WILL BE AT SOMEPLACE (WHERE EVER IT IS DECIDED) AND
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308 THEN OTHERS COULD JUST 'HAPPEN' TO STOP BY THE SAME PLACE...
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309
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310 WELL... IT WAS JUST A THOUGHT.....
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311 ********************************************************************
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312 I AM SITTING HERE READING A MAGAZINE ('WORLD PRESS REVIEW') WITH AN
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313 INTERESTING COVER (WHILE I'M WAITING FOR AN ASSEMBLY TO FINISH).
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314 ON THE COVER IT SAYS "1984 - ORWELL'S WORLD: HOW CLOSE?". WITH 1984
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315 ONLY A MONTH AND A COUPLE OF DAYS AWAY, IT WOULD SEEM APPROPRIATE
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316 TO BRING THE SUBJECT UP. SO, WHAT ARE YOUR OPINIONS? HOW DOES THE
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317 WORLD OF TODAY IN YOUR VIEW STACK UP TO THE ONE DESCRIBED BY ORWELL
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318 IN "1984"?
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319 ******* CISTOP MIKEY ****** 26 NOV 83 ******* 6:45PM *****************
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320
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321 ^H ^H ^C^H ^J^C?
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322
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323 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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324 ******************** answer to help ! from jim carr ****************
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325 Basic86 is the plain version of basic that is supplied with the
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326 Columbia . Basica is the graphics and color language it also
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327 has music commands. we are still working on interfacijng the gemini
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328 to Perfect writer. I will let you know how it comes out. The people
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329 at perfect told us to try the epson or epson+ configeration.
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330 call me at work 659-xxxx at Vidiogames & Computers in Clackamas
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331 town center. ask for Don .
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332 *******************************************************************
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333 WMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWM
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334 Luke: well sir? What did you think of our brief encounter?
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335
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336 MWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWM!JODY!MWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWM
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337
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338 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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339 cum on feel the noize. girls rock your boys. we'll gewild wild wild. werre
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340 goona rock you tonight.
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341
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342 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$merlyn$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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343
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344 And now, for an opposing viewpoint, here's James J. Kilpatrick.......
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345 -----------
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346 Mike, It would seem Orwell missed.
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347 As to Sagan for president; he is a populiser for science, and good at it,
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348 but would he be good at running the country? I fear that truth isn't what
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349 most people want to hear, but rather they only want to hear the good side.
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350 I am also disturbed by the common refences to "the government", rather than
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351 to the individual described (he may work for the government, but he isn't
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352 it.)
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353
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354 Possible meeting place:
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355 Semaphore Restaurant
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356
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357
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358 time:dec 11, 7 pm
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359
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360 it's a small corner cafe, with a bar for those whe need. NO pizza.
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361 ////////////////////////////////////BAD\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
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362
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363
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364 (00)(00)(00)(00)(00)(00)(00)(00)(00)(00)(00)(00)(00)(00)
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365 Is anybody out there intrigued by the use of video-disc technology for
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366 games like Dragon's Lair?
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367
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372 ELETRIC EYE
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373
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374 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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375 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
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376 There's a lady who's sure all that glitters is gold. And she's
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377 buying a stairway to Heaven. And when she gets there she knows
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378 if the stores are all closed. With a word she can get what she
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379 came for.
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380
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381 There's a sign on the wall but she wants to be sure. Cause you
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382 know sometimes words have two meanings. In a tree by the brook
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383 there's a songbird who sings sometimes. All of our thoughts
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384 are misgiven.
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385
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386 There's a feeling I get when I look to the west. And my spirit
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387 is crying for leaving. In my thoughts I have seen rings of
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388 rings of smoke through the trees. And the voices of those who
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389 stand looking.
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390
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391 And its whispered that soon if we all call the tune. Then the
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392 piper will lead us to reason. And a new day will dawn for those
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393 who stand long. And the forests will echo with laughter.
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394
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395 And it makes me wonder.
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396
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397 If there's a bustle in your hedgerow don't be alarmed now. Its
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398 just a sping clean for the May-queen. Yes there are two paths
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399 yu can go by. But in the long run. There's still time to change
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400 the road you're on.
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401
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402 You head is humming and it won't go - in case you don't know.
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403 The piper's calling you to join him. Dear lady can you hear
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404 the wind blow. And did you know your stairway lies on the
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405 whispering wind.
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406
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407 And as we wind on down the road-
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408 Our shadows taller than our soul-
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409 There walks a lady we all know-
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410 Who shines white light and wants to show-
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411 How everything still turns to gold-
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412 And if you listen very hard.....
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413 The tune will come to you at last-
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414 When all are one and one is all-
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415 To be a rock and not a roll.
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416
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417
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418 And she's buying a stairway to Heaven.
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419
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420 :
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421 :
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423 :::::::::
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424 :
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425 :
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426 :
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427 :
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428
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429 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
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430
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431 Anon: The main effects of ANY large explosion are from the BLAST
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432 WAVE. This is a VOLUME effect, not a SURFACE AREA effect. Thus it follows
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433 the square cube law NOT the inverse square. If you check a table of nuclear
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434 weapon effects (see any of several military manuals <unclassified!>
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435 or reports on various tests) & you will see that the effect area
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436 for a 20 meg is 100 times that for a 20 kil, the radius (of the crater or
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437 any other effect) is 10 times greater.
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438 Luke: I don't have hard copy of the info. I am relying on a VERBAL report
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439 of testimony before congress on or about 11 November of this year. If
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440 someone wants to check thru the Congressional Record, I would like to know
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441 the specifics myself (my hours do NOT allow for extensive library searching)
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442 ALL: I must point out that a scientist's opinions aren't worth any more
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443 than yours or mine IF he is speaking OUTSIDE HIS AREA OF EXPERTISE! Also
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444 please note that I am merely saying that there are others who have grave
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445 doubts about the probability of the "Nuclear Winter". We can't be sure it is
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446 possible (or impossible) and we would be foolish to assume that the Soviets
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447 will give it serious consideration. They might, BUT WHAT IF THEY DON'T?!
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448 On another subject from a few disks back, I regret to inform you that the
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449 WICKED, AWFUL bombings of Hiroshima & Nagasaki SAVED lives! At the time we
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450 only had THREE nuclear devices & it would have taken MONTHS to build another
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451 Thus the "make a demonstration shot" scenario wasn't possible. The only
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452 other alternative was to invade Japan. Conservative estimates place the
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453 number of causualties in the neighborhood of 2 million Japanese & 1 million
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454 American.
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455 The same msg seemed to imply that public opinion in the Soviet Union
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456 matters. I suggest that this person read what former citizens of the USSR
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457 have to say about what happens to anyone who dares to speak out against
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458 current government policies. Some people don't seem to realize that the
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459 majority of their citizens don't even know about the invasion of Afghanistan
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460 (they do know about the US invasion of Grenada). Most of them didn't realize
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461 that the plane that was shoot down a few months back was an airliner. The
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462 announcements that mentioned the airliner didn't say anything about it being
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463 shot down, the announcement that "a plane" violating Soviet airspace had
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464 been shot down came about a week later. With this kind of "news" reporting I
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465 doubt that Soviet citizens have any REAL idea what is going on in the world.
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466 In the USSR 1984 is HERE! A traveler discovered that according to THEIR
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467 history books, Lithuania & Latvia have ALWAYS been part of the USSR. Funny,
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468 OUR history books say that they were "annexed" after WWII.
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469 (one final note regarding the KGB: in wartime KGB battalions follow the
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470 front line troops & shoot anyone who retreats or DOESN'T ADVANCE FAST ENOUGH
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471 This is "standard" policy!)
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472 __________________________________Leonard___________________________________
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473 Leonard:
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474 What is the 'square cube law' of which you speak? Never heard of it. But
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475 anyway, it may have been a 'soft error,' but did you really mean 100 when you typed the following line?:
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476
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477 436 for a 20 meg is 100 times that for a 20 kil, the radius (of the crater or
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478 ny other effect) is 10 times greater.
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479
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480 I include in my estimates the effects of fire, in addition to the blast. And while you may not consider fire to be
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481 one of the 'main effects' of a bomb, I'll bet that far more damage could be caused by fire than the blast itself in
|
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482 a city or suburbs. Wanna try an experiment?
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483 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Anon ::::::::::::::::::
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484 --------------------------------------------------------------
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485 A long time... no see... TRON returns....
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486
|
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487 Speaking of nuclear wars, A friend and I took a hike up on
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488 Larch mountain. Strangely enough, we came across a big round
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489 hole in the ground, a gate around it and 4 guards at the
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490 corners of the gates. We walked up to them, and asked:
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491 "What is the purpose of this hole in the ground and why are you
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492 guarding it?"
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493 His reply:
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494 "Go home kid... your mother wants you."
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495 I said:
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496 "It looks like a missile silo if I do say so myself."
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497 He said:
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498 "Keep to this yourself, and don't spread it around or I'll have
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499 to do something about it. No GO!"
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500 We left there... So, I have reason to believe that there is
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501 a missile silo up on larch mountain. You MAY not believe me,
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502 but i'm
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503 suggesting that there is something worth checking out if you are
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504 ever in the area....
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505
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506 To ELECTRIC EYE:
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507 Yes, I'm interested in LASER DISK technology... it's really
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508 neat how they did the switching with 1 computer and 4, uh,
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509 pardon the pun, disk drives. Lay questions on me and I'll lay
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510 questions on you and we can discuss it, okay?
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511
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512 TRON returns....
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513 ---------------------------------------------------------------
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514 IN CASE OF NUCLEAR WAR EVERYONE CAN
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519 COME TO MY HOUSE WHERE IT WILL BE SAFE.
|
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520 NOW, PERHAPS, WE MIGHT DISCUSS SOMETHING
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521 DIFFERENT.
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522
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523 NATASHA
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525
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526 ------------------------------------------------------------
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527 Tron:
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528
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529 You were told to keep your mouth shut. You'll be hearing
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530 from us.
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531
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532 Guard Post One
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533
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534 --------------------------------------------------------------
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535 *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
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536 Regarding the nuclear war issue, one might read "World War III, August 1985"
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537 and its sequel "World War III, The True Story", both are by a former NATO
|
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538 general and explore what would happen if the Soviets invaded Europe.
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539 It mentions the KGB battalions that Leonard discussed. Interesting
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540 reading, no matter your stance on nuclear weapons. After reading those
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541 books, I would have to conclude that unilateral disarmament would be
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542 suicidal. But then again I really doubt the Russians are willing to
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543 disarm in any case.
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544 DP
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545 *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
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546
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547 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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548 `
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549 LETS TRY AGAIN.n..>........
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550 |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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551 To Jody,
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552 Alas a last we have meet. Our meeting was indeed brief, but enjoyable.
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553 You are truly the rocker your messages have painted. Tell me more about
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554 the 'Blue Ice' you spoke of. It's late so I must depart. More later...
|
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|
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555 Bon voyage en France
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556 |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Luke ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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557 PS To nukers...I too have read the 1st WWIII book. It is fascinating reading
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558 The descriptions are very real. The author's backgrounds make the books
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559 what they are. They KNOW what they are talking about. I recommend them
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560 to any one interested in this subject. Robert Ludlum would be proud!
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561 ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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562
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563 ................................................................
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564 Luke:Blue Ice is a band that originates in the Oregon City-Mollala area.
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|
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565 The guys from the band are friends of mine (they miht also be called 'blue
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|
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566 eyes'). They play all over the Portland area but mostly at Harry's Moustache
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567 in Oregon City. Thats where most of the members of the band work for thier
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568 other jobs. They are a great rock and roll band but not the best I've seen.
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569 I will have to explain more later when I have more time. Ask me some more
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570 specific questions. Later days 'Luke',
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571 P.S. Didn't I tell you that if the trivia question was about V.H. I
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572 would get it. And I did!
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573 ...........................................jody.............................
|
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574
|
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575
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576 [][][][][][][][][][][] 0746 11/28/83 [][][][][][][][][][][][]
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577 There are two science fiction books that I am aware of regarding our
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|||
|
|
578 current discussion. One is Alas Babylon, by Pat Frank, and presents
|
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|
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579 what I consider to be a much too rosy picture of the future. This
|
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|
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580 one I recommend for a positive note. The other is Level 7, and I
|
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|
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581 cannot remember the author's name (help me someone, please). It
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582 paints a picture that I feel is probably the closest to reality
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583 of any I have seen. (With a few minor technical errors, and perhaps a
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584 couple of sociological ones) I recommend it to all world leaders.
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585
|
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|
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586 For our other topics, I like BAD's suggestion of place, although
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587 the H.I. place sounds OK too. I would like to change my time vote
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588 to 1800 on the 16th of December. ???
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589
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590 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] DJJ [][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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591
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592
|
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593
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594 (00)(00)(00)(00)(00)
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595
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596
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597 To Tron,
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599 At present ,video-disc technology is the most fascinating
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600 field of computers for me.Have you heard of any other applications
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601 besides games?
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604 also,what do you think the appeal of a disc game with real actors would be?
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607 (00)(00)(00)(00)(00)
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608 ELECTRIC EYE
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615 WELL, FOLKS, WE NOW ARRIVE AT THE END OF ANOTHER DISK. MY ENTRIES ON
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616 THIS PARTICULAR DISK HAVEN'T BEEN MANY (COME TO THINK OF IT, I DON'T THINK
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617 I ENTERED ANYTHING ON THIS DISK!), BUT I GUESS I GET TO HAVE THE LAST ONE.
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618 I KNOW THAT VERY FEW WILL READ THIS, AS NOBODY SEEMS TO USE THE END OF THE
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619 B DISK BEFORE USING THE NEW DISK ON DRIVE A. I GET VERY NERVOUS SOMETIMES,
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620 THINKING THAT I MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SEE EVERYTHING THAT IS ENTERED, SO I
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621 FEEL THAT I MUST FILL THE REMAINDER OF THE DISK IN. AS THOSE THAT KNOW
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622 MY STYLE WILL REALIZE, I AM RAMBLING IN ORDER TO FILL SPACE.
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624 I AM REALLY BORED WITH THE CURRENT DISCUSSION ON DISK A (NUCLEAR
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625 WAR), AND I WAS HOPING TO REDIRECT OUR DEBATE TOWARD SOME OTHER SUBJECT,
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626 SUCH AS CENSORSHIP. I OBVIOUSLY WASN'T SUCCESSFUL, SO I GUESS I WILL
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627 JUST BE A "LURKER" UNTIL SOME SUBJECT COMES UP I WANT TO COMMENT ON.
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