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25 YES, THIS SYSTEM DOES SOMETIMES SEND THE LINE FEED BEFORE THE CARRAGE
26 RETURN. WEIRD HUH?
27 *******************************************************************
28 SORRY TO THOSE WHO TRYED TO USE THE SYSTEM TODAY, I HAD IT OFFLINE TO
29 DO BACKUPS THIS MORNING AND FORGOT TO PUT IT BACK ON LINE.
30 AGAIN, SORRY IF IT INCONVIENENCED ANYONE.
31 ****** A VERY APPOLIGETIC CISTOP MIKEY ***** 6 SEPT 83 ***** 10:20PM ***
32 
33    We need some mental stimulation to flex our heads.  The imagination is
34 a bottomless well which can be drawn from and is never exhausted.  Here are
35 some ideas I have gathered from friends and acquaintances to titilate your
36 imagination and just possibly end in something than makes a difference to 
37 someone or all of us in a positive way.
38  
39         What would happen if two black holes collided?  Would they eat each
40 other up?  Would you have a BIG BLACK HOLE? Or would you have a really small
41 black  hole?  Or would they cancell each other out and result in no black hole
42 at all?  
43  
44 ******************************************************************************
45  
46         Who wants to believe in things that are not true? What is truth?  Is it
47 necessarily a subjective evaluation of reality, since none of us have any way 
48 of verifying that our perceptions are identical with others' perceptions?
49 For example, what makes you think that the moon is NOT made of green cheese?
50 You take it on faith that the authorities who claim to have investigated the
51 moon would not tell you something that was not true, right?
52         Does truth boil down to defense of an argument using mental tools that
53 are generally acceptable (e.g.  logic, rationality, persuasion)?  If you can 
54 defend your argument well then you create a belief and increase your credibil-
55 ity as a source of truth.  But doesn't personal subjective experience ultimately
56 determine whether your "truth" is true?
57 ********************************************************************************
58      A GOOD IDEA:  You could write a program that would display requested
59 quadrants of the night sky from any place on earth at any time.  Constellations
60 could be displayed automatically or by individual request, which would be a
61 really valuable tool for teaching astronomy.  But how would you write this 
62 program and where would you get the raw data?
63 *******************************************************************************
64         Did you ever wonder if it is possible to have a "fast-forward" feature 
65 for ordinary television?  Perhaps it could be done using bubble memory to 
66 continuously recycle the transmission through the memory.  Perhaps two or three
67 minutes of video and audio information could be stored in a relatively 
68 economical bubble memory circuit so that under normal circumstances you are
69 watching what was transmitted two or three minutes previous.  When you get to
70 a commercial segment, you push the fast-forward and zip through the commercials
71 to arrive at "real time" transmission.  When you leave the room for a beer or
72 a bathroom break, you push the bubble memory buffer switch and it loads it up
73 again.
74 ********************************************************************************
75 IF YOU HAD THE ATTENTION OF THE ENTIRE WORLD FOR A MINUTE, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY?
76 *******************************************************************************
77         When the space shuttle comes into the atmosphere there is a blackout 
78 period of about 15 minutes.  This has to do with the plasma that is generated
79 as it enters the atmosphere.  I know there is a way to communicate with the
80 space shuttle during this period.  In any plasma or dielectric field there is
81 a certain frequency that will not penetrate and there is at least one frequency
82 that will.  They just haven't been playing around hard enough to find those
83 frequencies.
84 *******************************************************************************
85         Is PEACE something that is attainable? Is it a quality of human 
86 civilization or is it merely a state of mind?  And if you are in that 
87 state of mind can external events disturb your "peace?"  Is there such 
88 a thing as a "moderate degree of peace" or is peace an absolute, either
89 totally here right now or totally absent right now?
90 ****************************************************************************
91         What do Christians mean when they say they are surrendering their
92 life to Christ (God)?  Is it perhaps the "FLOW" of human energy generated
93 by other peoples wills, what they consider best for you and society, what 
94 they want to happen and what they believe needs to be done?
95 Are they perhaps surrendering their will to the will of others?
96 ***************************************************************************
97         Imagine for a minute that UFO's were actually the vehicles of 
98 extraterrestial beings who are watching us as we evolve into higher order
99 beings. How could we communicate with these beings and persuade them to
100 use their advanced intelligence and technology to assist us in surviving
101 the nuclear age?  What could we say to them that would be persuasive enough
102 to get their cooperation?  Could we tell them that we are willing to be 
103 used by them, as agents of their empire, in return for their assistance?
104 What superior qualities could we show them that we possess to convince them
105 that our race is worth their effort?  Why should they get actively involved?
106 Are they already actively involved in guiding our evolution into cosmic
107 beings?  What are their motives and goals in observing our civilization?
108 Is there any way we could assist them in achieving what they desire to 
109 achieve?
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111       Many studies have indicated that we have a propensity to 
112 enter into either heterosexual or homosexual experiences at various times in
113 our lives.  Why then do we persist to claim validity in the terms "homosexual"
114 and "heterosexual" when in fact we are neither?  Homosexual and heterosexual 
115 are valid terms to define specific actions, not to describe the complete
116 behavior pattern of an individual.  Could it be that we use these words to 
117 feel "safe" or "right" in comparison to others?  How many people who claim to
118 be heterosexuals are just ignoring the truth of the matter ... that they 
119 actually have homosexual desires, fantasies and experiences?
120 ******************************************************************************
121         It has been said that competition breeds prejudice and that prejudice
122 is a form of evil. If this is true, why do we find such amusement in sports
123 competition? Are sports evil?  It doesn't appear that there is a simple 
124 answer, but most popular sports today are structured so that there is a 
125 winning team and a loosing team.  How could we structure sports so that
126 more than one party could "WIN" and that no party would need to loose?
127 If we managed to do this, and I believe we could, would it be a positive
128 step forward in human evolution? Would the masses accept it or are they 
129 so programmed with the dualistic winner/loser mentality that they could
130 not appreciate a sport unless there was a "top dog?"  What about
131 the possibility that we could challenge each other in positive ways without
132 creating losers and without the need for winners? What would the rules of
133 such sports be like?
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135         Imagine if you will that every person you meet already knows every
136 piece of information you could possible tell them about your personal life.
137 How would you react to people?  You probably would not bullshit them, because
138 you would see immediately how they perceived that you were just bullshitting.
139 You would probably be more willing to talk about intimate details of your
140 life with relative strangers and your capacity to love friends would be 
141 greatly enhanced.  Try it and see.  I have been living this way for several
142 years and my experience tells me that there is a certain element of truth
143 to the basic proposition that we all know everything about each other. 
144 Perhaps there is some subtle wavelength of mental or spiritual communication
145 or perhaps we simply read each others body language and physical character-
146 istics like you would read a book.  It is well known that lovers can 
147 telepathize and "hear each other think."  Perhaps we do this subconsciously
148 all the time and that it only becomes conscious when we are "high" on love
149 or drugs.
150 ****************************************************************************
151 
152             PEACEFUL PAUL
153 
154    SOURCE:  ABBS PCNET, SAN FRANCISCO  415-948-xxxx
155 |
156    DATE:  7/25/83
157  
158 *** SPACE.INITIATIVE.TEX 28-JUN-83
159   PARENT=SPACE.INITIATIVE     USAGE= 19
160                 THE SPACE INITIATIVE
161              Findings and Declarations
162 Section 1:  We the People of the State of California do find
163 and declare that,
164  a)  The National Goal of Landing a Man on the Moon
165 demonstrated that American talent, committment, and resources
166 could accomplish a task once believed impossible, and
167  b)  An unprecedented quarter-century of Space Exploration
168 has greatly expanded our understanding of the Earth, our
169 companion planets, and the universe beyond, and
170  c)  NASA's programs have resulted in extraordinary
171 scientific and technological advances that have returned,
172 over twelve years, approximately $14 billion for each
173 $1 billion invested, and
174  d)  A reusable Space Shuttle is now available to transport
175 materials and products back to Earth from research and
176 industrial facilities that can utilize the unique resources
177 and environment of space, and
178  e)  Establishing such orbiting facilities with international
179 participation will reaffirm our society's creative leadership
180 in a rapidly changing world by combining a pioneering spirit
181 with a positive vision for our future.
182 Text of Transmittal: Section 2:
183    Within one month after enactment of this statute, the
184 Governor of the State of California shall sign and cause to
185 be delivered to the President of the United States, the
186 following, that:
187    The People of the State of California respectfully request
188 the President and Congress of these United States to direct
189 the National Aeronautics and Space Administration to
190 establish, before this decade is out, a permanently inhabited
191 Space Station, as the cornerstone of an expanded and
192 continuing civilian space program for the benefit of all
193 humanity.
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195  
196 COMMAND?  READ SPACE.INITIATIVE.PHO
197  
198 *** SPACE.INITIATIVE.PHO 28-JUN-83
199   PARENT=SPACE.INITIATIVE     USAGE= 22
200 If you wish to help with the petition drive to get the Space
201 Initiative on the ballot, here is the latest list of phone
202 numbers to call to get in touch with the campaign.
203  San Francisco: Bill Patterson, (415) 621-xxxx
204  Santa Clara County: Bruce M. Gowens, (408) 272-xxxx
205  Santa Cruz County: Chris Meek, (408) 429-xxxx
206     *This is a wide area, so volunteers are urgently needed.
207  North Alameda County: Marc Jones, (415) 658-xxxx
208  Marin County: Brooke Graves, (415) 456-xxxx
209  Sacramento: Don Robertson, (916) 489-xxxx
210  Santa Rosa: Lucy Buss, (707) 887-xxxx
211  San Luis Obispo: Richard Sotello, (805) 481-xxxx
212  Anaheim: Ed Sitch, (714) 891-xxxx
213  Los Angeles: Nelson Kruger, (213) 337-xxxx
214  South San Mateo Co: Diana Adamic, (415) 367-xxxx
215     *No calls after 10 PM, please.
216      +++ SUBMESSAGES +++
217  TSI.PHONE.CHANGES    25-JUL-83
218  
219 COMMAND?  READ TSI.PHONE.CHANGES
220  
221 *** TSI.PHONE.CHANGES    25-JUL-83
222   PARENT=SPACE.INITIATIVE.PHO USAGE=  5
223 There have been a few changes to the phone contacts for
224 The Space Initiative.  Bill Patterson (San Francisco) and
225 Lucy Buss (Santa Rosa) are no longer the coordinators for their
226 areas, so don't call them.  Don Robertson's number (Sacramento)
227 has changed to (916) 447-xxxx.
228      +++ NO SUBMESSAGES +++
229  
230 COMMAND?  READ NUC-WAR-PREVENTION
231  
232 *** NUC-WAR-PREVENTION   24-JUL-83
233   PARENT=CONFERENCES          USAGE= 13
234      The Nuclear War Prevention Coalition exists to share information
235 and coordinate activities amoung organizations in the mid-peninsula area
236 which are concerned with nuclear arms control and/or disarmament.
237 The Coalition is administrated by the Mid-Peninsula Peace Center.
238      The Peace Center maintains a calender of activities which is
239 also distributed in the area. For your next event, call them at 326-xxxx
240 to choose a time which does not conflict with other plans and to get
241 your event onto this calender.
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243  
244 COMMAND?  READ REFERENCES
245  
246 *** REFERENCES            2-APR-83
247   PARENT=CONFERENCES          USAGE= 80
248 THIS NODE OF THE SACDF COMMUNITREE CONTAINS INFORMATION ON NUCLEAR WEAPONS
249 AND NUCLEAR WAR REFERENCE MATERIALS.
250      +++ SUBMESSAGES +++
251  BOOKS                 2-APR-83
252  NUC-ARMS-HOTLINE      5-APR-83
253  CARL-SAGAN-PIECE      1-JUL-83
254  
255 COMMAND?  READ NUC-ARMS-HOTLINE
256  
257 *** NUC-ARMS-HOTLINE      5-APR-83
258   PARENT=REFERENCES           USAGE= 56
259 THE COUNCIL FOR A LIVABLE WORLD MAINTAINS A 24 HOUR HOTLINE WITH RECORDED
260 UP-TO-THE-MINUTE LEGISLATIVE INFORMATION ON NUCLEAR ARMS CONTROL ISSUES.
261 THE NUMBER IS (202) 543-xxxx.
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263  
264 COMMAND?  READ BOOKS  
265  
266 *** BOOKS                 2-APR-83
267   PARENT=REFERENCES           USAGE= 72
268 HERE IS A LIST OF BOOKS ON NUCLEAR WEAPONS AND WAR.
269 ** GENERAL **
270 "THE FATE OF THE EARTH" BY JONATHAN SCHELL (1982).  THE BEST RECENT TREATMENT
271 OF THE SUBJECT.
272 "WITH ENOUGH SHOVELS: REAGAN, BUSH & NUCLEAR WAR" BY ROBERT SCHEER (1982),
273 RANDOM HOUSE.
274 "THE NUCLEAR DELUSION: SOVIET-AMERICAN RELATIONS IN THE ATOMIC AGE" BY GEORGE
275 F. KENNAN (1982), PANTHEON
276 "NUCLEAR ILLUSION AND REALITY" BY LORD ZUCKERMAN (1982), VIKING PRESS
277 "NUCLEAR WAR: WHAT'S IN IT FOR YOU ?" BY GROUND ZERO (ROGER MOLANDER; 1982),
278 POCKET BOOKS
279 "BEYOND THE FREEZE: THE ROAD TO NUCLEAR SANITY" BY FORD, KENDALL, AND NADIS
280 (1982), BEACON PRESS
281 "WHAT ABOUT THE RUSSIANS ?" BY SANFORD GOTTLIEB (1982)
282 "REAL SECURITY" BY RICHARD BARNET (1981)
283 "THE GLOBAL POLICIES OF PEACE" BY J.H. BARTON (1981)
284 "NUCLEAR NIGHTMARES" BY NIGEL CALDER (1980)
285 "ENERGY/WAR: BREAKING THE NUCLEAR LINK" BY A.B. AND L.H. LOVINS (1980)
286 "THE DANGERS OF NUCLEAR WAR" EDITED BY GRIFFITHS AND POLYANI (1979)
287 "THE LAST CHANCE: NUCLEAR PROLIFERATION AND ARMS CONTROL" BY W. EPSTEIN (1979)
288 "THE GAME OF DISARMAMENT" BY A. MYRDAL (1979)
289 "A FAREWELL TO ARMS CONTROL" BY E. YOUNG (1972)
290 ** TECHNICAL **
291 "THE EFFECTS OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS" EDITED BY GLASSTONE AND DOLAN (1977), 3RD
292 EDITION, PUBLISHED BY DOD AND DOE.  THIS IS THE DEFINITIVE SCIENTIFIC TREATMENT
293 OF THE SUBJECT.
294 "THE EFFECTS OF NUCLEAR WAR" (1979), OFFICE OF TECHNOLOGY ASSESSMENT, U.S.
295 CONGRESS, LIBRARY OF CONGRESS NUMBER   79-600080
296 "LONG-TERM WORLDWIDE EFFECTS OF MULTIPLE NUCLEAR-WEAPONS DETONATIONS" (1975)
297 NATIONAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCES
298 "RESEARCH GUIDE TO CURRENT MILITARY AND STRATEGIC AFFAIRS" BY WILLIAM H. ARKIN
299 (1981), PUBLISHED BY THE INSTITUTE FOR POLICY STUDIES
300      +++ NO SUBMESSAGES +++
301  
302 COMMAND?  READ USERS
303  
304 *** USERS                16-JUL-81
305   PARENT=CONFERENCES          USAGE=158
306    USE 'ADDTO USERS' IF YOU WANT TO IDENTIFY YOURSELF TO OTHERS ON THE SYSTEM.
307 INCLUDE KEYWORDS ABOUT YOUR INTERESTS, BACKGROUND, ETC. IF YOU WISH TO MAKE IT
308 EASY FOR OTHERS TO FIND YOU.
309  
310    'ADDTO <YOUR-NAME> TO LEAVE MESSAGES TO YOURSELF OR OTHERS (USING
311 <THEIR-NAMES> OF COURSE). NOTE THAT ANYONE CAN READ MESSAGES ATTACHED TO YOUR
312 NAME. 'READ PRIVATE' IF YOU SEEK PRIVACY.
313 I am a member of the steering committee of SACDF, and a Co-Director of
314 the Palo Alto chapter of CPSR, a part time graduate student in
315 Electrical Engineering/Computer Science, and full time research staff
316 member at the Xerox Palo Alto Research Center.
317  
318 I can be reached at (415) 494-xxxx during the day,
319 and on the ARPANET at JLarson@PARC-MAXC.
320  
321  
322 Don't hesitate to contact me for information about either CPSR or SACDF.
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324  
325 COMMAND?  READ IDF
326  
327 *** IDF                  27-APR-83
328   PARENT=USERS                USAGE= 49
329 IDF is the International Disarmament Forum, a non profit corporation
330 founded by Hal Harvey, Mike Shuman, and Eric Horvitz.  We are trying
331 to help educate people on campuses and in general on the arms race,
332 and are working to develop new ideas for solutions to the arms race
333 Our phone number is 415-328-xxxx. Please call or send mail (to
334 644 Emerson St, # 30, P. A. CA 94301) for more informaiton.
335 *** JOHNMATTOX           28-APR-83
336   PARENT=USERS                USAGE= 36
337 John Mattox is codirector of SACDF for the spring quarter, and the film
338 series coordinator. John is a PhD student in the department of applied
339 physics. Feel free to contact him at 324-xxxx.
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341  
342 COMMAND?  READ *SDL
343  
344 *** *SDL                 23-JUL-83
345   PARENT=USERS                USAGE= 11
346 On April 28,1983 the Stanford Disarmament Lobby was formed. Attendence at this
347 first meeting was seven. Stanford ASSU status will be obtained. Funding
348 and cooperation will be sought. The minimum scope of the effort of the SDL
349 on the MX will be a comprehensive outreach to the constituents of the 12th
350 Congressional District (Ed Zschau's district). It was also noted that
351 the Stanford Campus provides an opportunity to reach constituents of many
352 Districts where students are registered to vote. An effort will be made
353 to coordinate with other efforts locally and nationally.
354      For more information call John Mattox (324-xxxx) or Paul Ashin (328-xxxx).
355  
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357  
358 COMMAND?  READ WATKINS,R.
359  
360 *** WATKINS,R.           28-JUN-83
361   PARENT=USERS                USAGE= 35
362 Hi from Orange County, CA.  I'm a new (3 mo. or so) member of
363 CPSR, and am right now trying to inform myself on arms race
364 and nuclear issues.  Also, my view of Social Responsibility
365 goes beyond nuclear issues...as a computer professional I am
366 very aware of the social impact of computers in our lives,
367 and am keenly interested in finding humanistic ways to implement
368 computing systems.
369 Anyone interested in similar issues, or who are responsible
370 for the use of microcomputers in an organization, support,
371 training, etc., please drop me a note.
372      Bob Watkins
373      
374      Santa Ana, CA  92704
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376  
377 COMMAND?  READ NEW.TO.THIS
378  
379 *** NEW.TO.THIS          26-JUN-83
380   PARENT=USERS                USAGE= 41
381 Greetings to all from the San Francisco IBM/PC Users Group.  My name is
382 Ray Young and I'm president of named organization.  I'm new to
383 telecommunications in general and this form in particular.  Seems like
384 a facinating idea.  Is the disk space limitation the reason for theme
385 of this conference, or just that other branches have not sprouted?
386 The tree in Hawaii sounds amazing but I couldn't afford the phone
387 bill.  Hope to come up with some seeds for discussion in the future,
388 and will check back regularly.  Is there a quick way to tell if anything
389 has been added since you last logged on?
390 Ray Young  SOURCE #STU103
391    or SF/BBS # 861-xxxx
392      +++ SUBMESSAGES +++
393  NEW.STUFF.COMMAND    26-JUN-83
394  ANOTHER.NEW.STUFF    28-JUN-83
395  
396 COMMAND?  READ NEW.STUFF.COMMAND
397  
398 *** NEW.STUFF.COMMAND    26-JUN-83
399   PARENT=NEW.TO.THIS          USAGE= 37
400 THIS SYSTEM IS DEDICATED TO DISCUSSION OF NUCLEAR WAR ISSUES; OTHER TOPICS
401 MAY APPEAR, BUT N.W. MSGS WILL BE GIVEN PRIORITY.
402 TO SEE AN INDEX OF NEW STUFF ADDED SINCE YOU LAST LOGGED IN, TYPE:
403 I CONFERENCES S 26-JUN-83
404 WHICH WILL SHOW YOU DATES + TITLES OF ALL MSGS ON OR AFTER 26 JUNE.
405  
406  
407 END OF FILE.  LET'S GET GOING, FOLKS. THIS IS THE NEW AGE AND WE
408     HAVE TO START THINKING AND ACTING IN NEW WAYS!  NETWORK!!!
409     SHARED EXPERIENCE MULTIPLIES VALUE!
410  
411 
412 ......................................................
413 Please DON'T do the above again! This is supposed to be an open 
414 forum, not a private soapbox. I think using 2/3 of the systems
415 storage for one person's idea of what is important is just a
416 bit excessive (at least if it is all in one chunk!).
417 	As for some of the topics:
418 1. Tell me the mass, charge, angular momentum, & relative velocities
419 of those two black holes and I can get an answer for you. Most likely
420 result is a bigger black hole.
421 2. The plasma sheath problem is somewhat more complicated than
422 you seem to think. The composition etc are NOT constant, thus the
423 frequency required would be shifting constantly.
424 3. As for your "sports where everyone wins", have you looked into
425 role-playing games? They aren't necessarily sports, but they may
426 provide a starting point.
427 	
428 As a final note, I might respect your use of the preceding 400
429 lines more if the material hadn't so obviously been dumped UN-EDITED
430 from another system. 
431 _________________________Leonard_____________________________
432 
433 }[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
434 THIS DISK FILLED UP SOMEWHAT FASTER THAN I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT POSSIBLE.  OH WELL, THAT'S LIFE.
435      I'VE BEEN AWAY FOR THE WEEKEND (AND HAD A LOT OF FUN), SO I'M A BIT BEHIND, BUT I PROMISE I'LL TRY TO CATCH UP.
436      REGARDING THE QUESTION ABOUT  RAPE BEING PERFORMED BY SOMEONE THE  VICTIM  KNOWS IN THE MAJORITY OF CASES, THAT 
437 IS A HARD QUESTION TO ANSWER.  ACCORDING TO STUDIES DONE BY THE U.S. CENSUS, THE FBI, AND THE N.O.R., 50% OF RAPES ARE
438 "AQUAINTANCE" RAPES, AND ONLY 3.5 TO 10% OF RAPES ARE EVEN REPORTED. IF YOU KNOW THE ASSAILANT EVEN SLIGHTLY, CHANCES
439 ARE YOU WON'T  REPORT IT,  BECAUSE THE  D.A., POLICE, ETC., ASSUME THAT IF YOU  KNEW YOUR ASSAILANT, YOU PROBABLY
440 BROUGHT IT ON BY TEMPTING THEM.  AND IF IT DOES GET TO COURT, IF THE ASSAILANT  DIDN'T HURT THE VICTIM PHYSICALLY
441 (SUCH AS MUTILATION), HE IS  LIKELY  TO RECEIVE A FINE OR A SUSPENDED SENTENCE.  WOULD YOU REPORT A CRIME KNOWING THAT
442 EVEN IF YOU GET A CONVICTION, HE WON'T  EVEN GO TO JAIL FOR A DAY, AND WILL WANT REVENGE?  NOT ME.                     
443      CHARLOTTE, I'VE FOUND THE ISSUE OF BYTE MAGAZINE REFERRED TO EARLIER.  ITS SEPTEMBER 1982, VOL. 7, NO.9., AND
444 THOUGH IT HAS A NUMBER OF VERY GOOD AND INFORMATIVE ARTICLES, ITS NOT QUITE WHAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR.   HAND-HELD
445 SPEECH SYNTHESIS FOR THE NONVOCAL, NEW  TERMINALS THAT TALK FOR THE BLIND, ETC.. WHILE THESE ARE GREAT, THEY AREN'T
446 QUITE THE THING.   ANOTHER  SUGGESTION  MIGHT BE FOR YOU TO CHECK THE LIBRARY AT THE OREGON HEALTH SCIENCES UNIVERSITY 
447 UP ON THE HILL.  THEY HAVE THE LARGEST  SELECTION OF MATERIAL RELATING TO THIS  SUBJECT.
448 
449 [][][][][][][][][][][][]PAM.[][][][][][]
450 ^^-^^^-^^^^^-^^^^^^^-^^^^^^^^^^^-^^^^^^^^^^^^^-^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^-^^-^^^-^^^^^
451 RE Black hole collisions:
452 	The January 1977 Scientific American has a great article on the quantum
453 mechanics of black holes.  To answer the question, thee result would be a black
454 hole that is larger (i.e. has a larger Schwarzschild radius (event horizion)
455 )
456 then would be predicted by merely adding the two masses.  The formula is:
457 
458 R =  2 G M
459      -----
460         2
461        C
462      
463 Where G is Newtons constant of gravity, M is the mass, and c is the speed of light.
464 
465 Well let's say we have two black holes, one of mass M1 the other M2.  The result
466 is:
467 
468 OOPS, one more thing.  R    is the result of the two combined black holes.
469 
470       2 G (M1 + M2)
471 R >   -------------
472              2
473             C
474 
475 Well, c and G can't (??) change therefore we must have gotten some more
476 mass from somewhere.
477 
478 To pioneer:
479      About my /0 numbers (from now on to be referred to as the "UNREAL"
480 numbers), this is where I got the idea:
481 
482    A
483   --- = C
484    B
485 
486 Because,
487 
488 A = C * B
489 
490 Well, if you take      0
491                       ---
492                        0
493  it can be simplified to:
494 
495 0 = C * 0   using the second equation.
496             Therefore the solution set to "C" in either equation is the
497             set of real numbers.
498 
499 Now, if you take       1     or any other non 0 number
500                        ---
501                         0
502 
503 it can be simplified to:
504 
505 1 = C * 0  using the second equation.
506            Therefore the solution set to "C" in this case is null
507            if we only include the real and imaginary numbers as possible
508            solution sets, but if we include the UNREAL numbers we now have
509            a solution.  I remember the imaginary numbers starting the same
510            way.
511 
512 One interesting thing is that we loose the "uniqueness" of one dimension
513 the smallest thing we can work with is a complete number line like
514 all the reals, but not a PARTICULAR real number.  Talk to me about 4D
515 Maybe these two concepts are more closely related than either of us 
516 realizes.
517 BYE                                                                  THE DOCTOR
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520 - Sounds very good Doctor, but what practical use would it be? (Maybe I'm just-
521 - unimaginative.) It would be fun working with problems like that if you were -
522 - a "pure" mathematician who worked with number theory.                       -
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524 - As to a four-dimensional creature, here is my theory:                       -
525 -                                                                             -
526 - I've always equated Time = the 4th dimension. I don't know how I thought    -
527 - this up, but I think somebody told me that was what physicists also equated -
528 - the 4th dimension to. Anyway, a 4th-dimensional creature would have heighth -
529 - length, and width and would also take up some period of time.               -
530 -    The words are easy to talk about but it is hard to conceive of being more-
531 - than one "time" at a time. (Excuse the pun.)                                -
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533 - Here's another thought-provoker: What if two black holes were put into a    -
534 - close orbit around each other and sent spinning through the universe. You   -
535 - know, kind of like a bolo. What kind of havoc could they wreak and what     -
536 - forces would be acting in the space between the two Bhs? ...........Pioneer -
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539 Pioneer: First, imaginary numbers were considered impractical for about 100
540 years before some one noticed that they are VERY useful in electronics.  So,
541 who knows what this may be useful for.  As for the black holes, try this one!
542 "ordinary" black holes are a singularity (a point).  How about a black hole
543 that is a line connected on itself (a hoop) then the event horizon would be
544 torodial <sp> (a doughnut) shaped.  What forces and what would happen to 
545 something passing throught the hole?
546 
547 Back to the unreals.  The set of unreal numbers is a set of infinite lines
548 in which the set of reals is a subset.  I keep spotting similarities to the
549 fourth dimension.  Unfortunately, I have trouble conceptualizing them, let
550 alone type them out.
551 
552 Back to 4D.  The easiest way for me to visualize 4D is to take 3D and
553 call it a HYPERPOINT (a piont that has infinite magnitude in 3 dimensions).
554 Then the fourth dimension is a hyperline, a series of hyperpoints.  further
555 along the line is the future and on the other side is the past.  Now,
556 what makes up a hyperplane and hyperspace?  Sorry to bring in the 5th and 6th
557 dimensions.
558 BYE                                                                THE DOCTOR
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562   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   19:30   <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
563      O heart trampled on:  why chase a wraith creature?  Why read motives
564 into her gestures, or let your eyes hungrily follow her dusty prints in
565 the path?  For the path leads up into the mountains, a winding, tortuous
566 way, and ends in a sand-carved stairwell where the trees are no more...
567 so turn back, O grief-stricken one, to the forest where you thought the
568 path began.  Wend your way through the tall sighing grasses, and pause to
569 observe the dew in the grasses where she slept, the dew that bears salt...
570 Thence go your way comforted, and look back no longer, and slowly your
571 healing will begin.  Look--your friends await your presence at the Inn!
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574   Doctor:
575      What prevents a "hoop" from colapsing into a singularity?
576                                                        The Master
577 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
578 The answer is elementary:  TIME, the fourth dimension, holds back the hoop's
579 collapse!  				Silence
580 ==================================================================
581 PAM.--Is rape "performed"?
582 PAM. --   Is rape "performed"?  If so, why?   If not, why use that verb?
583 ========================================================================
584 Doctor:  0/0 is of use in the real world. Take Ohm's Law-
585 E=I*R or I=E/R . In a superconductor the resistance is 0.
586 Form a ring of a superconductor, the resistance is zero, the
587 applied voltage is zero. Thus the current is equal to 0/0.
588 What does this mean? It means that the current can have ANY value!
589 	As for the toroidal black hole, they have been studied for
590 some time. "All" you have to do is spin a "normal" black hole at
591 a sizable fraction of lightspeed. It is kept from collapsing by
592 the high spin rate. As for what happens if you go thru the hole
593 -- well, first off the tidal forces would rip you into sub-atomic
594 particles before you got there. But it is thought that the "hole
595 in space-time" (in the center of the torus) would lead to another
596 universe. Unfortunately, theory also says that if it does, then going back
597 thru it WOULDN'T get you back here. Instead, you'd wind up in a
598 THIRD universe. 
599 The black holes orbiting each other would lose energy in the form
600 of gravity waves which would possibly make things rather interesting
601 but would also cause them to spiral into one another.
602 If I find time, I'll put the formulas for tidal forces & black hole
603 decay on line.
604 ______________________Leonard_______________________________
605 
606 **********************************************************************
607 WOW! NOW YOU PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO THINK. I AM DULYIMPRESSED.
608 KEEP IT UP. YOU MAY WANT TO KNOW THAT WHAT YOU SAY HERE IS,IN SOME 
609 SMALL WAY, GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN MANY PEOPLES LIVES ACROSS 
610 THE NATION AS I RE-DISTRIBUTE THE BEST OF YOUR THOUGHTS.  PEACEFUL PAUL.
611 
612 PAUL
613 
614 ****************
615 Like it or not, WE ARE FOUR-DIMENSIONED CREATURES!  Think about it.
616 ****************
617 Can rape be performed with a toroidal black hole?  Would you want to try?
618 ****************
619 Shortest message on disk so far
620 ****************
621 Who was that masked lunatic that did an almost-infinite download to this system?
622 ****************
623 GUESS THIS DISK HAS HAD IT!
624 MASKED LUNATIC?  HARDLY.  THINK ABOUT IT.
625 *****************
626 GO DUCKS!!!
627 *****************
628 To Pam and Ducks fan: Please don't erase my messages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
629 HELP, THERE IS NO ROOM!!! SORRY DOC. ********* SILLY WILLY ****