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* * COPY DISK ERROR * *
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This was caused by a bad diskette in the system. The data in those
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lines was lost due to disk errors.
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NUMBER OF LINES: 626
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1 If you are in need of help, you need but ask....
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2 ************************ REMOVED: 22 MAR 83 ************************
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3 Welcome to BWMS (BackWater Message System) Mike Day System operator
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4 ************************************************************
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5 GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION PLACED ON
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6 THIS SYSTEM.
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7 BWMS was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS is a privatly owned
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8 and operated system which is currently open for use by the general public.
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9 No restrictions are placed on the use of the system.
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10 It is intended that the system be normally used for messages and
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11 advertisments by the users. As the system is privatly owned, I retain the
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12 right to remove any and all messages from the system which are offensive
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13 to me. Additionally because of the limited size of the system, it will be
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14 periodically purged of older messages. (only 629 lines of data can be saved)
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15 The saved information will be cycled to drive 'B' while the information on
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16 drive 'B' will be archived, and a fresh disk will be installed in drive 'A'.
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17 To leave a message, type 'ENTER' and use ctrl/C or break to get out
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18 of the enter mode. The message is automaticly stored.
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19 If after entering the message you find you made a mistake,
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20 use the replace command to replace the line.
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21 To exit from the system, type 'OFF' then hang up.
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22 Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system.
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23 ========================================
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24
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25 TO ALL USERS: FM: CISTOP MIKEY
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26 RE: CURRENT ARGUMENT IN REGARD TO VALS USING SYSTEM
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27
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28 FIRST PLEASE NOTE THAT THE MESSAGES HAVE NOT BEEN REMOVED, IF I FOUND
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29 THEM OFFENSIVE TO ME I WOULD HAVE REMOVED THEM. SINCE THEY ARE STILL
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30 THERE, NEED I SAY MORE?
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31 WHILE I DON'T FIND THE MESSAGES TO BE OF MAJOR INTEREST TO ME PERSONALY,
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32 I SEE NO POINT IN JAMMING MY IDEAS OF WHAT IS ENJOYABLE DOWN SOMEONE ELSES
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33 THROAT. THIS SYSTEM IS AFTER ALL OPEN TO THE 'GENERAL PUBLIC' AND NOT
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34 RESTRICTED TO A NARROW GROUP OF HIGHBROWS. IT IS THIS VERY NON-RESTRICTIVE
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35 NATURE OF THE SYSTEM THAT HAS MADE IT UNIQUE AND SEPERATE FROM THE
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36 OTHER SYSTEMS.
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37 AND NOW BACK TO OUR REGULARLY SCHEDUALED PROGRAM. HAPPY ARGUING...
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38 ******* CISTOP MIKEY ***** 6 MARCH 83 ******************************
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39 Like Hi Mikey,
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40
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43
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45 THE VAL GAL
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46 ################################################################
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47 IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE VERY CONCEPT OF DISCUSSING WHAT TYPES OF PEOPLE
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48 SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO USE THIS SYSTEM SMACKS OF INTOLLERANCE AND HATRED.
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49 MIKE IS THE ONLY PERSON WHO HAS ANY RIGHT TO DECIDE THAT BECAUSE THIS SYSTEM
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51 THIS SYSTEM TO MIKE THANK YOU
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52 ME
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53
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54 * * COPY DISK ERROR * *
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55
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56 Mike, I just got a "DISK ERR in line 54" msg. Hope it ain't serious!
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57 ..............................................................
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58 *******************************************************************************
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61
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62 MIKE, I JUST GOT IT ALSO
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63 TIME 11:45AM 03/07/83
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64 SAC TROOP
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65 ******************************************************************************
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66
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67 I AM GOING TO DISKS ON MY TRASH-80 MOD III, AND I AM TRYING TO GET ALL THE
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68 INFO I CAN AHEAD OF TIME. ANY GOT ANY GOOD SUGGESTIONS OR COMMENTS ????
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69
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70 KIRK
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71
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72 * * COPY DISK ERROR * *
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73 good luck,kirk
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74 stop
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75 list
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76
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77
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78
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79 help
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80 ATTENTION ALL DOG LOVERS !!!!!!
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81 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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82
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83 FREE KEESHOND !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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84
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85 WHAT IS A KEESHOND YOU SAY ??
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86
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87 WELLL,SINCE YOU ASKED..........
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88 IT IS ABOUT THE SAME SIZE AND
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89 LOOKS AS A SAMOYED XCEPT IS BLACK
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90 * * COPY DISK ERROR * *
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91 WITH KIDS. PUPS GO FOR ABOUT $200
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92 BUT I'LL GIVE THE RIGHT PERSON MY
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93 5 YR OLD ONE FOR FREE.
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94 CALL TOM AT 253-xxxx IF INTERESTED.
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95 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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96 TO THE USER THAT HAD A QUESTION IN REGARD TO MOD III DISK DRIVES...
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97
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98 I DON'T OWN ANY MYSELF (I DON'T HAVE A TRS-80), BUT I USE THEM EVERY WEEKDAY.
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99 THEy ARE REASONABLY DEPENDABLE, TRSDOS IS A POWERFUL O.S. AND THEY HAVE A GREAT
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100 (BUT NOT TOO UNUSUAL) AMOUNT OF HIGH SPEED STORAGE, ABOUT 170-180K FORMATTED
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101 STORAGE. MY ONLY COMPLAINT IS THAT THE DOS GIVES YOU ERROR NUMBERS INSTEAD OF
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102 MESSAGES, BUT BY TYPING ERROR ## (wHERE ## IS THE ERROR NUMBER THAT wAS RECIEvED
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103 ) THE COMPUTER WILL PRINT THE ERROR MESSAGE AFTER READING A FILE TO FIND IT OUT
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104
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105 THE DISK IS STANDARD FORMAT (256 BYTES PER SECTOR, 5 SECTORS PER GRANULE), BUT
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106 IS NOT COMPATABLE WITH THE MOD I IN ANY WAY, HOWEVER A PROGRAM CALLED CONVERT
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107 WILL CONVERT PROGRAMS ON A MOD I DISK TOMOD III FORMAT (BY LOADING THEM OFF OF
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109 THE MOD I DISK AND TRANSFERING IT TO THE MOD III DISK. THIS REQ. 2 DISK DRIVES.
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110
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111 ANYWAY, FOR THE INITIAL COST, A DISK DRIVE FOR THE MOD III IS WELL WORTH THE
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112 INVESTMENT... THAT GOES FOR ANY COMPUTER...
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113
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114 ONE PROBLEM THAT I SHOULD MENTION,
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115 IS THAT THE MOD III PASSWORD PROTECTION SYSTEM IS VERY DIFICULT TO GET AROUND.
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116 IN FACT, IF YOU PROTECT A PROGRAM WITH A PASSWORD, AND THEN FORGET THE PASSwORD,
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117 THEN YOU ARE PRETTY MUCH OUT OF LUCK. IT IS POSSIBLE TO KILL THE PROGRAM WITH
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118 THE DISK MASTER PASSORD (IF YOU KNOW IT), BUT THAT DOESN'T HELP MUCH.
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119
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120 THE DISK IS FORMATTED AS DOUBLE DENSITY, SINGLE SIDED, 40 TRACKS.
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121
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122 ******** THE SYSM, DAVID GREENMAN ******** 03/07/83 10:52:00 PM ********
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123
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124 MIKE, I AM GETTING A LOT OF ERRORS (READ AND WRITE) WHEN READING/WRITING A
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125 MESSAGE. DID YOU BUY A CHEAP DISK? OR ARE YOU POSSIBLY REUSING OLD ONES?
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127
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128 I HAD TO EDIT THE ABOVE TEXT SO IT MADE SENCE WHEN YOU READ IT (THE SYSTEM
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129 DROPING LINES DOES WONDERS FOR THE INTELLIGIBILITY OF WHAT WAS SAID...)
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130
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131 THE SYSM.....
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132
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133 THIS IS AN
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134 WHAT KIND OF COMPUTER DOES THIS BULLITIN BOARD RUN ON?
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135
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136
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137 MIKE RECIEVED 3 OR FOR ERRORS WHILE
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138 READING BOARD
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139 WILL CALL BACK WITH NUMBERS
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140 EXIT
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141 OFF
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142 MIKE RECIEVED ERROR LINES IN #54,72,90,108,126
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143 * * COPY DISK ERROR * *
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144 NOW A MESSAGE:
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145 DOES ANYONE OUT THERE KNOW OF SOMEONE OR SOMETHING
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146 USING A HARD DRIVE ON THE TRS COLOR COMPUTER????
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159 It almost seems like the "Disk Errors" are there with some human
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160 assistance. Their placement is just too coincidental...
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161 * * COPY DISK ERROR * *
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163 DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT METHOD OF SCRAMBLING ONTV USES. I AM GOING TO GET SOME
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164 BOOKS ON THE SUBJECT BUT I WOULDN'T COMPLAIN IF SOMEONE WAS TO GIVE ME A FEW
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165 WHY DOES THIS MACHINE DROP OUT OF THE ENTER MODE?
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166 MY OBSERVATIONS TELL ME THAT THE SOUND MUST BE ON A SUBCARRIER AND MAYBE
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167 THAT SAME SUBCARRIER HAS THE MISSING VIDEO THAT THE BAND OF SNOW REPRESENTS.
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168 WELL THAT'S ALL I KHAVE SO FAR ON THA SUBJECT.
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169 PITHE PIRATE
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170
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178 TO: ALL USERS FM: CISTOP MIKEY RE: DISK ERRORS
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179 SORRY ABOUT THE DISK ERRORS, SEEMS I GOT A BAD DISK
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180 AND IT WAS A BRAND NEW SCOTCHY TOO!
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181 NOTE THAT THE ERRORS OCCURED EVERY 18 SECTORS. ALSO NOTE THAT MY
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182 FORMAT IS 18 SECTORS PER TRACK, AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT HAPPENED.
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183 ....... CISTOP MIKEY .... 8 MAR 83 .....................
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184 TO: ALL USERS
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185 SUBJECT: SOFTWARE
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186 IF YOU HAVE ANY SOFTWARE YOU ARE INTERESTED IN GETTING LEAVE A MESSA
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187 SHOULD BE ABLE TO BEAT ANY PRICE
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188 Dear Mikey:
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189 Get that bad disky to WRAM. We love to feed them to the rep. but
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190 don't find nearly enough to meet our demand...
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191 t.P.G.
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192 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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193 DEAR P.G. SORRY, I REFORMATTED IT AND EVERYTHINGS SEEMS TO BE HUNKY DORY
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194 BUT WE WILL SEE, I WILL BE CYCLING IT BACK TO BWMS ON THE NEXT DISK
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195 CHANGE. MAYBE IT JUST DOSEN'T LIKE THE POOR OL' SHUGARTS BWMS USES.
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196 (IT WAS A DD DS DH DISK TO BOOT!)
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197 ++++++++++ CISTOP MIKEY ++++++ 9 MAR 83 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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198 Dear Mikey:
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199 You aren't actually spending money on Double Side Double Density?
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200 THERE AIN'T NO REASON! 3M only makes one kind of 5 1/4" diskette.
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201 Only the labels are changed....
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202 t.P.G
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203 ..............................................1853..3.10.83................
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204 TRUE, BUT I USED TO USE SS DISKS, AND WAS EXPERIENCING ABOUT 20% FAILURE
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205 ON THE BACK SIDE, SO WENT TO THE DD JUST TO NOT HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE
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206 AGRAVATION OF IT ALL.
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207 .......... CISTOP MIKEY .............. 10 MAR 83 ........................
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208 MIKE, HOW MUCH STORAGE PER DRIVE DO YOU HAVE ON THIS SYSTEM? AND WHAT KIND OF
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209 COMPUTER ARE USING? ARE YOU USING ANY SPECIAL EQUIPMENT (HOMEBREW)??
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210
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211 ELUCIDATE...
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212
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213 THE SYSM.........03/10/83 22:39:00.........
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214
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215 ...............................................................
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216 AS INDICATED IN THE OPENING MESSAGE, THE DRIVES HOLD 629 LINES
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217 OF DATA (AS OPPOSED TO CHARACTERS) THE SYSTEM IS AN OLD DATA
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218 ENTRY MACHINE BUILT BY EDGE TECHNOLOGY AND MODIFIED SLIGHLY BY
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219 YOURS TRUELY FOR THIS APPLICATION
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220 IT USES 2 SHUGART SA400 DISK DRIVES, 1K OF RAM (YES ONLY 1K!)
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221 8K OF EPROM (2708) IN WHICH THE SYSTEM PROGRAM RESIDES
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222 AND ALL OF THIS IS CONTROLED BY AN 8080 PROCESSOR. THE MODEM
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223 IS A PCS-103 CONFIGURED FOR AUTOANSWER.
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224 ...... CISTOP MIKEY ........ 10 MAR 83 .....................
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225 ABOUT THOSE ONLY ONE KIND OF DISK BY 3M
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226 THAT IS MOST LIKELY TRUE BUT--------------->
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227 THEY ONLY CERT. THE DISK FOR WHAT THEY SELL IT AT.
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228 IF IT WILL CERT 80T DD/DD THEN IT IS THAT. IF ONLY ONE SIDE WILL
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229 THEN IT'S 80T SS/DD ,IF IT WONT GO 80T THEY TRY 40T ETC ALL THE WAY
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230 DOWN TO USELESS.
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231
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232 KIRK
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233 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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234 About that Certification....
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235 The 3M rep has admitted to me that the diskettes are certified "statisticaly"
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236 You don't have a problem except when a BATCH of media has been down graded.
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237 This is why one whole box can have problems, different job lots. The "cer-
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238 tification" is actually a warranty, if it don't work as advertised, it will
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239 be replaced.
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240 On that vein, I was told by a customer that he had bought 3M diskettes from
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241 the Sears Business Center for $45.00 [on sale!] and one of them would not
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242 format. On return he was told by the clerk "tough". So much for reputable
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243 dealers...
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244 the Phantom Glitch.,
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245 }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}18.45}}{{3{11{83{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{
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246 DEAR VAL GAL,
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247 LIKE TOTALY BARFED OUT THE OTHER
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248 DAY,LIKE MY LIKE BROTHER CAME IN
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249 ND LIKE TERRORIZED MY LIKE ROOM!!!
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250 IKE SO HOW HAVE YOU LIKE BEEN LIKE
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251 ATELY?????LIKE HAVENT LIKE SEEN YA
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252 N THE LIKE SYSTEM LIKE LATELY,LIKE
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253 HAT HAPPENED???????AS FOR VAL HATERS,
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254 IKE YOULL LIKE NEVER LIKE GET RID OF
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255 S!!!!.......H-A-!!!!!!!!!!WELL LIKE
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257 O LONG((FOR NOW))
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258 TOTALY,
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259 MOON U.
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260 W/B
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262 VAL GAL
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263 .S. EVER LIKE WWATCH
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264 MV3?????????
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265 ...............................................................
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266 The problems "THE SYSM" (David Greenman) mentioned regarding TRSDOS
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267 are easily solved by some simple patches. If you need them
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268 leave me a msg here or on Bit Bucket or CBBS.
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269 By the way David, Mod III TRSDOS uses 3 (not 5) sectors per
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270 gran, 6 grans per track.
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271 Leonard Erickson
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272 ..............................................................
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273
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274 TO LEONARD ERICKSON:
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275 I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THE PATCHES MYSELF. I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE
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276 INTER WORKINGS OF TRSDOS, (I HAVE NEVER DISASSEMBLED IT) I ALSO APPRECIATE THE
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277 OTHER INFO...
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278
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279 THE SYSM.
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280
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281 ================================================== 15:14:00 03/12/83 ==========
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282 DEAR MIKEY: If there was a command on BWMS to do a global search and
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283 replace, the VG messages could very simply be rendered into fairly good
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284 English. (#<slike ^[^[)........ {}{}{}{}{}{} Analog Alan {}{}{}{}{}
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285 |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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286 KEN WILINSON PLEASE TRY TO CONTACT HUSGH CHRISTIAN
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287 ...........................................
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288 TO: A A FM: CISTOP MIKEY
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289 TRUE, THERE ACTUALLY USE TO BE A GLOBAL CHANGE COMMAND BUT
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290 IT WAS REMOVED TO MAKE ROOM FOR SOME OF THE NEW COMMANDS
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291 THAT I ADDED TO THE SYSTEM.
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292 ............................................
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298 **************************************
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299 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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300 I am looking for a couple of working Shugart 800 series
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301 SSDD drives. Have cash need storage.
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302
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303 Leave message here for Michael Hudson
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304 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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305
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306 Michael Hudson: Call WRAM Computer, 641-xxxx, they got drives....
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307 t.P.G.
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308 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$3$13$83$$$$$$$$$$$$
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309 ***************************************************
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310 TISK TISK TISK ....
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311 YOU TRUELY DISAPPOINT ME, YOU SPEAK OF RIGHTS AND MATURE BEHAVOIR
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312 AND THEN ERASE THE V.G. MESSAGE. I WONDER WHO REALLY IS THE IMMATURE
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313 ONE? AS I STATED BEFOR, WHILE I HAVE NO GREAT INTEREST IN THE V.G.
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314 MESSAGES THEY MOST DEFINATLY HAVE A RIGHT TO USE THIS SYSTEM AS
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315 DOES ANYONE ELSE. I AM NOT OFFENDED BY THEIR JARGON, IF YOU FIND IT
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316 OFFENSIVE, THEN I SUGGEST YOU NOT READ IT.
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317 **** A VERY DISAPPOINTED CISTOP MIKEY *** 13 MAR 83 **** SIGH .......
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318 Are there any 6502 users that know of a good Source Generator.
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319 MRC
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320
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322
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323 There are days when everything goes wrong and there are days when every
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324
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325 thing goes dad. My old disk drive died. Thinking about a Rana, anyone using
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326 one. Would like to know how dependable they are and any other info.
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327 ..............thx..................Dead Drive.....3/14/83....09:51:30......
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328
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329 off
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330
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331 ................................................................
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332 To: David Greenman
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333 Here are some patches:
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334 PATCH *4 (ADD=4E28,FIND=20,CHG=18) Displays full error msgs
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335 PATCH *2 (ADD=4FB7,FIND=EDB0,CHG=0000) Skip all password checking
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336
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337 I wouldn't use the second patch on my master disk, if I were you.
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338 I've got it on a spare disk (TRSDOS only- no BASIC etc) that I
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339 stick in drive 0 when I need to get around a password. This will
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340 defeat Radio Shack's "Limited Backup" protection, but any copies
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341 of a file made while this patch is in effect DO NOT, repeat
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342 DO NOT have a password (password is set to null).
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343 .............................>*<............................
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344
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345
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346
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347 AS WE MOVE AHEAD IN THIS ADMINISTRATION WE ARE PRESENTLY LIVING UNDER
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348 ,IT BECOMES OBVIOUS THAT IT IS PRO-BUSINESS AND VERY ANTI UNION AS
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349 THEY TIGHTEN THE CHOKE HOLD ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE-CREATING A SYSTEM
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350 OF HAVES AND HAVENOTS-PITTING THEM AGAINST EACH OTHER.KETCUP AS A
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351 VEGTABLE SOUNDS GOOD ON PAPER BUT NOT VERY WILL IN PRACTICE.AS THE
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352 PROBLEMS MOUNT HERE AT HOME ,IT SEEMS WE KEEP SENDING THE RESOURCES
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353 THAT COULD HELP THE PROBLEM HERE TO OTHER COUNTRIES-IT IS "AID" AS
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354 THEY CALL IT OR JUST MORE AGITATION IN THE GOVT. SYSTEMS OF OTHER
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355 COUNTRIES-BECAUSE I PERSONALLY DON'T SEE THE PEOPLE WE ARE SUPPOSE
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356 TO BE HELPING BENIFIT FROM THIS AID BUT JUST A INCREASE IN THE
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357 AGGRESSION AGAINST THE COMMON PERSON BY MILITARY POWER STRUCTURES.
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359
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360 AMERICA IS FOR SALE NOW!!!!!!!!!!!BUY NOW WHILE THE PRICE IS RIGHT
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361 THE TIME TO PARTICIPATE IS NOW BY BEING ACTIVE IN VOTING AND TELL-
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362 THE PEOPLE WE HAVE VOTED INTO DIFFERENT OFFICES WHAT "WE" WANT DONE
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363 THERE IS POWER IN NUMBERS-IF WE DON'T-IN THE END WE WILL BE THE
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364 LOSERS BY NON-PARTICIPATION. THE CONSTITUTION STATES THAT-"WE THE
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365 PEOPLE ARE THE GOVERNMENT". LET'S CANCEL OUT APATHY AND START CHANGE
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366 NOW.THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH LARGE OR SMALL COMPANIES MAKING
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367 BIG PROFITS BUT WHEN THE GOING GETS ROUGH OR SOME COUNTRY DECIDES
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368 TO NATIONALIZE THEIR COMPANIES-LET THEM NOT START EXPORTING JOBS
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369 AND ASKING FOR SUBSIDIES AND HAVING OUR MILITARY GET INVOLVED BUT
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370 START TAKING CARE OF THERE WORKERS AND CONSUMERS AT HOME. A STRONG
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371 MILITARY BUDGET WITH ARMS WILL NOT PROTECT THE COMMON PERSON WHO
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372 HAS LOST HIS JOB,UN-EMPLOYMENT BENIFITS ,HIS HOUSE AND POSSIBLY
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373 HIS FAMILY AND SELF-WORTH TOO.BECAUSE THE WORKER IS THE CORE OF
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374 THE SYSTEM.
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375
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376 SOUND RADICAL-NOT REALLY IF YOU STOP TO THINK ABOUT IT.
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380 Sadly, there seems to be little showing me why a policy of anti-union
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381 practices is not justified. Unions have had their time and place, but
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382 I feel the time is past and the place is lost. I'm not for all out
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383 exploitation of the worker (blue- or white-collar) on the part of the
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384 corporation. Neither can I condone exploitation of the workers by the
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385 very people they elected or hired to watch out for their interests.
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386 Stop and think about it... is a guy screwing on rear-view mirrors in
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387 Detroit really worth $10 per hour or more?? Who is benefitting from
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388 these overly inflated wages?
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389 {}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{} Analog Alan {}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}
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390 :::::::::::::::::::::::::
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391 Ditto. If you know what the Robinson-Patman Act is (government jobs
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392 must pay the 'prevailing' (ie, UNION) wage rate), you'll understand why
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393 the government needs to be less pro-union. By the way, unions are
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394 specifically exempted from the Sherman anti-trust act. Why? The
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395 Sherman anti-trust act prohits 'restraint of trade.' I.E., no
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396 monopolies. However, a union is the most obvious monopoly there is.
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397 That act was intended by unions to be a weapon against business, but
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398 they soon found out they were even more obvious violators. So Congress
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399 had to jump in and specifically exempt unions. Anti-union? C'mon now,
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400 I WISH congress was anti-union.
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401 If you want to complain about something, complain about taxes.
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402 The Constitution prohibits 'involuntary servitude' (slavery) yet
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403 taxes are clearly intended to be involuntary, and represent a portion
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404 of one's efforts and wealth.
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405 Challenge to all: Give me a definition of the word 'THEFT'
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406 that does not also include taxation. Example definition: Theft is
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407 the involuntary removal of property from some person or organization
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408 . Clearly, this definition includes taxation. Can you find one that
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409 doesn't? Probably not.
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410 Don't assume that government should be able to do things no
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411 individual can do. Just because it's government does not make its
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412 actions legal.
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413
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414 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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415 I wish the real world wa as simple as the last few messages imply. There
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416 is a lot to be said against militarism, but without an army we would be
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417 overrun immediately. Taxation is not theft, as that is "illegally taking,
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418 and by definition taxes are legal. There is more to it than that, of
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419 course, but lets not worry too much about defining theft, only about
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420 preventing it. (We all know what it is.) As to taxes, we all hate them,
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421 but can't live without them. The government of the US may not be perfect,
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422 or even quite what we want, but try some of the others: do you really
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423 want to live in Siberia? As to stampimg out apathy, so you really want
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424 to? Remember, the nonvote makes yours more powerful. And be glad they
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425 aren't voting, because those who aren't would vote for more subsidies
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426 (for themselves), and that means more taxes.
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427 =================================the voice of moderation==3/14/83========
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428 HAVE I MISSED SOMETHING? US HILL FOLKS DON'T COME TO TOWN OFTEN ENOUGH TO
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429 KEEP UP WITH THE GARBAGE HERE ON BWMS, AND ALL I SEE IS ANSWERS TO THE VALS.
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430 WHAT DID THE VALS SAY?? OR AM I ALLOWED TO ASK??
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431 _^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^
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432 YEAH!!!! AT LAST A GOOD OLD FASIONED ARGUMENT ON BWMS!!! YEAH!!!!!!!!!
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433 .>>>>>>>........................>>>...............>>>............>>>..........
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434 ................................................................................
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435 Dead Drive Here:
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436 I only recently accessed this BBS the first time to get information on Rana
|
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437 drives. However this free exchange of ideas is interesting. I'll stay tuned
|
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438 for more. By the way I'am still interested in any comments about Rana drives.
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439 ...................................3/15/83..............12:00:00................
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440 DON'T BE MISLED, DEAD DRIVE. USUALLY THERE IS MUCH MORE DEAD AROUND THIS
|
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441 BOARD THAN MECHANICAL THINGS: MENTAL PROWESS AND DISCIPLINED RATIONALE HAVE
|
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442 SINCE PASSED AWAY...FAR AWAY...FROM MOST OF THESE USERS. HUMBUG
|
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443 EXIT
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444 -------------------------------------------------3/15/83---------------
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445 MRC- Wht exactly do you mean by Source Generator - does it create
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446 source from machine code (i.e. dissassembler) ?
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447
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448 To all of you ONTV pirates -
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449 ONTV uses a gated pulse sync-suppressed scrambling system with an
|
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450 intermittent inverting , random interval inverting signal. The audio signal is, from
|
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451 what I understand, is on a 39.XXXX MHz subcarrier. I don't have the info.
|
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452 with me right now, when; when I go home I'll get it and tell you all of the
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453 goodies about scrambling techniques.
|
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454 The Cosmic Connection
|
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455 ()())()()()()()()()()()()())()()()
|
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456 \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
|
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457 Dear Dead Drive;
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458 My friend the Apple Mechanic says RANA's are neat but too smart for
|
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459 their own good. They have problems with the "half track" and "psuedo-
|
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460 sector" nonsense used to protect games and other such software. They wk
|
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461 neat, rather expensive, and look good. I baught Micro-Sci A2's from
|
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462 the Hollywood Computer Center. Bill gave me such a deal! They seem to
|
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463 work exactly like Apple drives, not well, mind you, but just like Apple.
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464 the Phantom Glitch
|
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465 P.S. Computerland in Tigard had some around, they might want to deal...
|
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466 //////////////////////////////////////////////3/15/83///////////////////
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467 REPONSE TO ANALOG ALAN-
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468
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469 THE IDEAS ABOUT GOVERNMENT AND THE MITITARY WHERE NOT MEANT TO STATE
|
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470 THAT A SYSTEM OF PROTECTION VIA A "ARMY" WAS AGAINST OUR OWN BEST IN-
|
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471 TEREST OR GOOD,BUT IN THE MANNER IN WHICH THEY ARE USED ON A WORLD
|
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472 BASIS.THIS IS NOT A QUESTION OF WHICH SYSTEM WE USE, BUT WHAT WE CAN
|
|||
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473 DO TO CHANGE THEM AND THERE USE FOR THE BEST INTEREST OF EVERYONE ON
|
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474 THIS PLANET POSSIBLE.IT IS NOT A QUESTION OF WHERE YOU WANT TO LIVE
|
|||
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475 OR WHAT POLITICAL SYSTEM YOU LIVE UNDER-YOU WILL STILL BE AFFECTED BY
|
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476 THOSE FORCES.THE POINT IS THAT MORE INVOLVEMENT BY PEOPLE CAN CHANGE
|
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477 THINGS THAT WE INCOUNTER EVERY DAY AND REALLY HAVE A EFFECT.I CAN
|
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478 AGREE AND RELATE TO YOUR STATEMENT ON UNIONS BUT THE HISTORICAL
|
|||
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479 BACKGROUND OF MANGEMENT AND WORKER GO WAY BACK BEFORE JOE HILL AND
|
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480 THE WOBBLIES , AND THERE HAS AND ALWAYS WILL BE THE GAP PROFIT AND
|
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481 WAGES AND THE QUESTION OF PRODUCTION.WHO IS SERVING WHO AND FOR WHAT
|
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482 PURPOSE.
|
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483
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484
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485 YOUR RESPONSE WAS RECIEVED AND INTERESTING-THANK YOU,THE O.J.KID.
|
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486
|
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487 ...........................................................................
|
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488 TO: ?
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489 FROM: MRC
|
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490 SUBJECT: SOURCE GENERATOR
|
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491 TO PUT IT SUCCINCTLY;I'M LOOKING FOR A ASSEMBLY PROGRAM FOR 6502 THAT CREATES
|
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492 A SOURCE 'FILE' WITH MNEMONIC & OPERHAND INSTRUCTIONS FROM A OBJECT FILE OR
|
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493 PROGRAM,SO I CAN THEN ENTER THE SOURCE 'FILE' INTO A MACRO ASSEMBLER EDITOR.
|
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494 THEN RE-EDIT THE OLD OBJECT PROGRAM. THE KEY HERE IS TO CREATE A NEW SOURCE
|
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495 FILE NOT JUST DISSASSEMBLE THE OBJECT CODE. CONFUSED?? I AM !!
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496 ...............................................3/15/83......................
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497 ========================
|
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498 Contrary to the above statement, taxes are not necessarily legal.
|
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499 Obviously, it is possible for governments to do illegal things:
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500 most obvious example, Watergate, segregation (Dred Scot decision),
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501 internment of Japanese in WW2, theft of Indian lands. Our
|
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502 Constitution prohibits taking property from a person without a hearing,
|
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503 yet we are told we must pay taxes with no such hearing.
|
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504 I repeat: Do NOT assume that because the government does it,
|
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505 it's legal. Second, taxation is a form of somewhat diluted slavery, as
|
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506 is the draft. Normally, when a citizen is a victim of a robbery, the
|
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507 government will aid in bringing the crook to justice. However, when
|
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508 it's government doing the stealing, not only can you not get justice,
|
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509 but if you attempt to resist this theft, they can and will put you
|
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510 in jail, etc.
|
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511 No, we (the taxpayers) don't need taxes. The only ones
|
|||
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512 that need taxes are the leeches in our society who expect to live
|
|||
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513 at the expense of others. The system is quite predictable: If you
|
|||
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514 give people votes on the basis of 1 vote/person, you can expect that
|
|||
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515 people will tend to vote to steal money from the well-off minority.
|
|||
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516 This is human nature, as far as I can tell.
|
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517 If one person steals from you, that's robbery. If a hundred
|
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518 do it, that's a riot. If a million do it, that's taxes.
|
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519 My challenge still is open: Make a general definition of 'theft'
|
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520 that does NOT also include taxation. So far it appears no one has done
|
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521 so, which is not surprising. Remember, governments can steal just as
|
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522 effectively as individual, even more so in many circumstances. The
|
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523 only fundamental difference is that governments are often never
|
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524 punished for that theft.
|
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525 ==========================================================
|
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526 Since you have chosen to call taxes "theft" you will not accept the truth,
|
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527 so I will not try to dissuade you. The rest of you reading this, please
|
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528 ignore the preceeding. Taxes are how we pay for things we want to use
|
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529 by all (or most of ) the people, like protection (army, etc.), public
|
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530 roads, crime protection (police and courts), and what are called
|
|||
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531 "social programs" (such as unemployement compensation and poverty programs,
|
|||
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532 as well as a lot of others we don't hear as much about). If you want
|
|||
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533 crime prevention it is necessary to pay for it, and fire departments
|
|||
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534 don't come cheap.
|
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535 Those who have not lived long enough to have experienced being without
|
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536 money usually don'
|
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537 t like what they call "dole" or "give-away", but those who have needed
|
|||
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538 them are often more reasonable. In any case it is important for crime
|
|||
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539 prevention to reducer poverty.
|
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540 Not all that those in the government are doing legal things, but
|
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541 this can not be called actions of the government. Nixon was a criminal,
|
|||
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542 not the US government. Don't confuse the two. "They" is a convenient
|
|||
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543 enemy, but when it includes both bad and good it is not correct.
|
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544 In other words: GROW UP!
|
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545 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++B.A.D.++3-16-83+++1600pm+++++
|
|||
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546 TO: MIKE DAY
|
|||
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547 SJ: AMODEM AT 19200
|
|||
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548 FM: A.TRENT
|
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549 HI MIKE, JUST THIS NOTE TO LET YOU KNOW I GOT AMODEM RUNNING FINE
|
|||
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550 BETWEEN MY CCS AND KAYPRO AT 9600 BAUD. GREAT!! MY PROBLEM WAS
|
|||
|
551 THAT I PUT A BAUD RATE INIT IN THE "SETMOD" ROUTINE (TO 19200
|
|||
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552 WISHFULLY) AND DIDN'T THINK YOU WERE CALLING SETMOD ANYWHERE BUT
|
|||
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553 ONCE INITIALLY IN AMODEM. I FIXED THINGS BY PUTTING A "FIRSTTIME"
|
|||
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554 FLAG IN SETMOD. ONCE I GOT THE COMPUTERS TALKING TO EACH OTHER AT
|
|||
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555 THE SAME BAUD...19200 BAUD DON'T GO--YOU WERE RIGHT. I'M CURIOUS
|
|||
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556 TO SEE WHAT FEATURES THE NEXT VERSION OF AMODEM WILL HAVE.
|
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557 =============================16MAR83 -- A.TRENT===================
|
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558 TO B.A.D AND OTHER ON GOVERNMENT...
|
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559 GOVERNMENT IS A COERCIVE JURISDICTIONAL MONOPOLY. THIS IS A VIEW
|
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560 POPULAR AMONG LIBERTARIANS. I THINK IT IS A VERY GOOD DEFINITION.
|
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561 THERE IS A VAST VOLUME OF LITERATURE SHOWING THAT THE SERVICES
|
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562 WE CURRENTLY ATTRIBUTE TO GOVERNMENT CAN AND SHOULD BE PROVIDED
|
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563 BY A FREE MARKET. AS FAR AS TAXATION IS CONCERNED IT RELYS ON A
|
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564 PROCESS OF INITIATION OF FORCE BY THE GOVERNMENT. THAT MAKES
|
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565 TAXATION INDISTINGUISHABLE FROM THEFT. IN MY OPINION, GOVERNMENT
|
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566 IS THE WORST HOAX THAT HAS EVER BEEN PERPETRATED ON AND BY
|
|||
|
567 MANKIND. THROUGHOUT HISTORY GOVERNMENTS HAVE CAUSED UNTOLD MISERY
|
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568 AND OCEANS OF BLOOD. ALL BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE (AND ARE) TO
|
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569 IGNORANT TO ACHIEVE GOALS THROUGH PRODUCTIVE MEANS RATHER THAN
|
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570 THRU THE INITIATION OF FORCE. THE "GROW UP" ARGUMENT IS THE
|
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571 FIRST RESORT OF THOSE WHO SEEK TO DIRECT ATTENTION AWAY FROM
|
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572 THEIR OWN NAIVETE BY ACCUSING OTHERS OF THEIR OWN FAILING.
|
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573 FOR THOSE INTERESTED IN STUDYING WHETHER GOVERNMENT IS NECESSARY
|
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574 AT ALL I SUGGEST THEY CONTACT THE LOCAL LIBERTARIAN PART AT
|
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575 281-xxxx -- AT LEAST THAT USED TO BE THEIR NUMBER. ALSO A VERY
|
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576 GOOD BOOK (AVAILABLE THROUGH MOST LIBERTARIAN PARTY HEADQUARTERS)
|
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577 IS: "SOCIETY WITHOUT GOVERNMENT" BY TANNEHILL AND WOLLSTEIN.
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578 ==========================16MAR83 - A.TRENT====================
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579 #####################################################################
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597 ==================================================================
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598 Just this quick addendum to my previous diatribe on government--
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599 the CORRECT number for the Oregon Libertarian Party is 245 xxxx
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600 in Portland. Also, for a source of the currently massive and
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601 growing amount of Libertarian liturature send away for a catalog to:
|
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602 LAISSEZ FAIRE BOOKS
|
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603 206 Mercer St.
|
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604 New York, N.Y. 10012
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605 =================================7pm - 16MAR83 - A.TRENT========
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606 Although I normally don't get into this sort of argument, (it is the surest
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607 way of getting people mad at you!) I would like to point out that while many
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608 services can indeed be handled by the government, that does not mean that it
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609 is nesecarily the best way. Take social security many think of this as a god
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610 send. To the less financial responsible yes it is, but to those who bust thier
|
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611 rears in life it is near worthless. So I have to pay for someone to leach off
|
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612 of me because they were too irresponsible in thier early years to consider
|
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613 what they were going to live on when they retire. In the case of fire
|
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614 departments, I might point out that most rural fire departments are run
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615 on a volunter basis with little or no tax support. The same with ambulance
|
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616 and rescue services, and in some cases police. How do they handle this?
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617 Well, in some cases the little support that is needed is indeed payed for
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618 thru taxes, but this is only agreed on by the community at large not forced
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619 down their throats by some burocrat who has never even seen the place let
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620 alone be aware of their needs. Another way is for the individual to pay for
|
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621 the service just like you would any other service contract. The cost? about
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622 $5.00 a month for fire service, and comperable amounts for the others. What
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623 if you don't pay? well you can still get the service you will just be charged
|
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624 for the call, just like any other service. Many would say at first that this
|
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625 could never work, but it can and in fact is in many communities. An intersting
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626 side effect is it seems to bring the communities closer together. So what
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