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From: RUFUS
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To: CRYSTAL
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Subject: Earth??!! Huh?
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Date & Time: 07/18/90 17:01:15
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Message Number 6551
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> Turtle, byte your mother board.
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I love that. Quote alert! Quote alert!
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From: TURTLE
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To: KEN OBER
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Subject: Marxism
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Date & Time: 07/18/90 20:18:46
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Message Number 6554
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>You are obviously not concerned about the fact that our country is
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>going MARXIST and such...
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Concerned about it? CONCERNED about the workers uniting to throw off the
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yoke of capitalist oppression and coming together in a glorious workers'
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paradise, free from the chains of slavery to the elite classes?
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Seriously, dude, what do recycling programs and Marxism have in common?
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From: TURTLE
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To: BEATLE
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Subject: Poison
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Date & Time: 07/18/90 20:23:32
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Message Number 6555
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Poison's version of "Every Rose Has Its Thorns" was, I believe, a re-
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make of somebody else's song by the same name, though I could be
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mistaken. It's not a terribly good song, though.
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From: TURTLE
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To: RUFUS
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Subject: Recycling
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Date & Time: 07/18/90 20:30:32
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Message Number 6556
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Cape Coral, whichj has just implemented a mandatory recycling program,
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actually PROVIDES the containers you use to sort stuff out, free of
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charge. They also don't charge residents for the extra pickups they
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make every week (three a week: one for glass and aluminum, one for
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paper and other recyclables, one for non-recyclable trash). Personally,
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I think it's an excellent idea, and contrary to Mr. Ober's belief, I
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don't think a little mandatory social responsibility is going to take
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us all down the path to darkness and totalitarianism. Figure it's
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either that or we all drown in our own garbage, which is likely to
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end up bothering people a whole lot more than the inconvenience of
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dropping toe soda can in the box instead of the trash.
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From: TURTLE
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To: RUFUS
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Subject: VIC? Huh?
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Date & Time: 07/18/90 20:34:17
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Message Number 6557
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>Five computers, if you count the Vic.
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I wouldn't. Someone tried to give me one fo those things once, in
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perfect (so to speak) working order, free of charge. I told him no
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way.
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From: RUFUS
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To: TURTLE
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Subject: Recycling
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Date & Time: 07/19/90 02:21:32
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Message Number 6561
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Just what kind of paper can be recycled. As it is now, we recycle
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newspaper, but that's it. What about those color inserts in the paper,
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the cartons you get soda in, cartons for milk, junk mail, glossy paper?
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From: RUFUS
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To: ALL
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Subject: Lie
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Date & Time: 07/19/90 02:23:08
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Message Number 6562
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It's all a big, giant, bug-eyed, mucus oozing, puss filled, rotten,
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stinky, bad-mannered, ill tempered, close-minded, congested lie!
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Thank you and good day...
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From: BEATLE
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To: MAX
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Subject: Mr. Williams
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Date & Time: 07/19/90 02:39:49
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Message Number 6563
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> no logic or intelligence...
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Sounds like "Beyond Chaos" to me...
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From: BEATLE
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To: TURTLE
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Subject: Poison
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Date & Time: 07/19/90 02:42:08
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Message Number 6564
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> "Every Rose Has It's Thorns"...
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That song makes me think of Guns and Roses (and not just becuase of
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the word "rose"...)
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From: THRUD
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To: ANGEL
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Subject: ignore
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Date & Time: 07/19/90 05:51:39
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Message Number 6565
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Two possibilities here. First, we have experienced a clever test of
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the emergency censorship system, and we can take the chain into a
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grand new debate on the subject. (Perhaps the worst thing about
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religious debate is that very few people are truly openminded)
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Second possibility is that we have a lost soul craving attention
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and doing anything to get it. We should be pleased that this cretin
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is not burning the flag or shooting from a water tower. Anyway, when
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a child misbehaves solely to see an adults reaction or get attention,
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a knee-jerk reaction could be considered a successs on the child's
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part, and the misbehavior will be repeated.
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Frankly, I don't understand what I just wrote......more caffeine please
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From: JONBOY
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To: TURTLE
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Subject: Heart
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Date & Time: 07/19/90 19:05:07
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Message Number 6567
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I will agree with you on the spirit of faithful relationships - but
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the biggest problem within their ranks (ie - as THEY percieve it) is
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a LACK of these relationships and, indeed is the basis for the term
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"gay". Qualifications for this statement? 4 years in San Francisco
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with several gay friends and several in Salt Lake City (which surprising
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enough is a major area for homosexuals to settle - I say surprising
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because the Mormon Church is stringently anti-gay). For some reason
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which homosexual leaders would love to ascertain, gays are notorious for
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the frequency and variety of their sexual encounters and one gay poet
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describes it as "desperate groping". I would like to add that in all
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this time I have never been propositioned by a gay and only occasionally
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felt "put out" by graphic descriptions of some fringe homosexual
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behavior. They are human beings with a slightly different outlook on
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life.
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JonBoy
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From: JONBOY
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To: TURTLE
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Subject: Catholicism
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Date & Time: 07/19/90 19:14:28
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Message Number 6568
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Let's try and seperate the people from the idea and beliefs...
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There are many people that have the abhorrant practice of referring
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to Jews as "Christ killers". I cannot impart the extent of my dislike
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for people of this type. Hate would come close - but i'm not supposed
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to - forgive and forget as such... However I will dislike them with
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all the vigor I can muster. This same sort of behavior is observed
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with any group of human beings - emphasis on group because we are
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talking herd behavior patterns. If you ain't like us then 1) You are
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different therefor bad 2) we will try to get away from/rid of you.
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You must understand that simply because someone professes that Jesus\
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is at the heart of their church does not make it so. The mormans are a
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classic example of a cult - they use the accourtements of "standard"
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Christianity - but there the resemblance stops - just enought to
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confuse and ensnare the uninformed - and sad to say there are lots of
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them. Protestants have "traditionally" held that the Catholic church
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has no part of true Christianity because they do not hold with Biblical
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teachings (as I have pointed out in other messages) and have actively
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in the past tried to enslave people to their belief system. It is not
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easy for these religions to forgive because they never understood the
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problem as it stood centuries ago - what they have now is an irrational
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belief. /I/ can say I dislike the religion from a knowledgable
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standpoint - and I sure that many others can also. Many of the herd
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however moo like they've been taught.
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From: JONBOY
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To: TURTLE
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Subject: Really annoying
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Date & Time: 07/19/90 19:26:04
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Message Number 6569
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hehe... yeah I know what he taught but I have to make you earn that
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smug twist to your beak! Interestingly enough I am reading a book
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about chaos right now and they pointed out that Galileo's equations
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for the motion of a pendulum are STILL taught in some places as the
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way it is... for all practical purposes the minor nonlinearty can be
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ignored but it is still there and can lead to chaotic behavior.
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From: JONBOY
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To: TURTLE
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Subject: definitions
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Date & Time: 07/19/90 19:29:44
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Message Number 6570
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Why must we deal with natures' minor perversities? Pardon me for
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being so blunt but if a walking homo replica were to actually indulge
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in such fantasies with me I would have to reposition them for a
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second trial - after all - statistics are built on repeatability!
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From: JONBOY
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To: TURTLE
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Subject: Yup
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Date & Time: 07/19/90 19:32:45
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Message Number 6571
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Believe it or not they still have a comapny that will do repairs and
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sell stuff for it - they will sell you the CP/M disk for $90.
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From: JONBOY
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To: TURTLE
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Subject: Bumper annoyanc
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Date & Time: 07/19/90 19:34:27
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Message Number 6572
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How /do/ those fringe radicals manage to steal all the good press?
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Mayhaps they simply present a good target for those who are looking?
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Mark Twain: " To a man with a hammer - everything looks like a nail".
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From: JONBOY
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To: TURTLE
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Subject: Rock-ola
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Date & Time: 07/19/90 19:36:25
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Message Number 6573
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I never said that was the only thing I'd heard with Dio - I just stated
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that it sucked - he really hasn't done well on his own - I have the
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Rainbow stuff from when Richie Blackmore started it. I think that if
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Dio finds his niche - he will put out something worthwhile.
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I like ShadowFax, I LOVE Jean Luc Ponty, David Lanz I have several of,
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Peter Buffett, David Arkenstone, Kitaro, Jean Michael Jarre (exceptional
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Vangelis of which my favorite is with Jon Anderson - "Private Collection
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Michael Hodges, Andreas Vollenweider. Some of these do double duty as
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Rock-n-roll or Jazz.
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From: JONBOY
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To: TURTLE
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Subject: Really Immoral
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Date & Time: 07/19/90 19:42:17
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Message Number 6574
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I really don't feel up to defending the following statement - so here
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it is ready for the darts.
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Some forms of expression need to be restricted - after a certain limit
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it becomes anarchy. What is the limit - this depends on the social
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currents at the time of interests and therefor flexible. As a genearl
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rule society enters a turmoil and comes out a little more on the pacid
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(oops) placid side. Throwing a paint filled ziplock at your house is
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a form of self-expression - it goes without saying that since it has
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a direct impact on you that it is restricted.
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I also disagree that reading such statements is harmless. Call it
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intuition born of experience - but it seems that people that restrict
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their expressions out of respect for others make for better citizens on
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the whole. Whoops - point I was trying to make is that the mental set
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of people that indulge in racy bumperstickers almost invites me to
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stick the tag "mental midget" on their forhead and say "case closed".
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If it is genuinely funny - I can understand humor - but some are just
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deliberately obnoxious and try to give the impression of "coolness" of
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the owner. Ah hell I quit - I'm tired. If any of you have ever had
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kids repeat these things at an inopportune time...
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From: JONBOY
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To: GEORGE WILLIAMS
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Subject: coming fucking
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Date & Time: 07/19/90 19:52:39
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Message Number 6575
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Practicing for someone? Gee Turtle - a bumpersticker fan!!!
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From: JONBOY
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To: DONTHEN
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Subject: Really annoying
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Date & Time: 07/19/90 19:54:46
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Message Number 6576
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Gee Donthen - we agree - I like Tina and John Denver both. I was real
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sorry to see put down songs like Annie's song as sentimental tripe when
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in fact they are heartfelt ballads. Tell me - whet do you think of
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Harry Chapin?
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From: NAME
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To: DONTHEN
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Subject: definitions
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Date & Time: 07/19/90 21:36:30
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Message Number 6577
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D>If a group says they believe one way but consistently live as if they
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D>do not, what is an impartial observer to decide they /truly/ believe -
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D>- what they profess, or what they actually do?
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Good point. What is an impartial observer to decide what is truth?
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I decide what is truth based on what God says and not what man says or
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does. I believe the Bible to be truth and if I may quote, "The spirit
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is willing, but the flesh is weak." That is why I can believe in some-
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thing and not live it. It's a shame.
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From: NAME
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To: DONTHEN
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Subject: Catholicism
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Date & Time: 07/19/90 21:50:29
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Message Number 6578
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D>...Catholic bashing...
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Very funny. We can bash anybody, if we want to point out that people
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are at fault. I, however, don't see it as bashing, but merely
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discussing the different viewpoints taken by different denominations.
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I also like the idea of holding an atheist's attention if he thinks
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we're arguing, because hopefully they will find SOME truth in all
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this discussing.
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1 Corinthians; Chap 13, Verse 9: "For we know in part and we
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prophesy in part. [verse 10] but when perfection comes, the imperfect
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dissapears."
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From: NAME
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To: TURTLE
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Subject: Really annoying
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Date & Time: 07/19/90 22:07:44
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Message Number 6579
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T>The Bible does not talk about Hell, particularly as a place where
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T>the condemned go.
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First of all, the Bible uses Hell in a complete and full sentence
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FIFTY THREE times, and each time speaks PARTICULARLY about the condemned
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and where they will go and what they will feel. I don't understand,
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unless of course you've never READ the Bible, how you could say such
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things.
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Matthew Chap 16, Verse 17: "Bless'd are you, Simon, Son of Jonah,
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for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in Heaven.
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[verse 18] And I tell you that you are Peter and on this rock I will
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build my church. And the gates of Hell shall not prevail. I will give
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you the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven."
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Concerning your statement of God keeping a place of punishment for
|
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those who disobey Him, as you can see by this scripture, Jesus has given
|
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us a promise. That Hell does not have to win. Turtle,there is a
|
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spiritual war taking place and the Devil will do anything to keep you
|
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from Heaven including, leading you to believe God is not only pushing
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you into doing what he says but also giving you ultimatims if you
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don't. This is not true. On the other hand, it is. But it's
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still your choice to decide whether or not you think God is pushing
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you or the Devil.
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From: NAME
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To: THRUD
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Subject: Catholicism
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Date & Time: 07/19/90 22:37:08
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Message Number 6580
|
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Jeez, I'm sorry. I didn't realize anyone was going to assume I meant
|
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ALL Catholics. How could I possibly know what ALL Catholics do?
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However, unless the Catholics whom I love dearly have changed
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drastically in the last five years, they or should I say, some of them,
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are taught the average church-goer is not qualified to interpret the
|
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Bible. I can't imagine why the leaders would keep the commoner from
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reading the bible on thier own, that's all.
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From: NAME
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To: ANGEL
|
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Subject: Bible
|
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Date & Time: 07/19/90 22:49:59
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Message Number 6581
|
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A>Hey, it doesn't have to be in the Bible to be codified by
|
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A>Christian religions. The good book doesn't make a metntion of
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A>the Trinity (God in Three Persons), but it's still a tenet of
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A>most Crhistian faiths.
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Hey, I really need an example of what you mean in your first
|
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sentence. That was a pretty broad statement.
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And, the "good book" does make mention of the Trinity (God in
|
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Three Persons)...
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1 John Chap 5, Verse 7: For there are THREE that bear record in
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Heaven, the Father, the Word, Holy Ghost, and these three are
|
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one. [verse 8] And there are three in Earth, Spirit, Water, Blook,
|
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|
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these three agree in one.
|
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This is where we get the tenent of Trinity from.
|
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|
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However, the word Trinity is not found in the Bible
|
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From: ETC...
|
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|
|
To: BEATLE
|
|||
|
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Subject: Recycling
|
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Date & Time: 07/19/90 23:28:50
|
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|
|
Message Number 6582
|
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|
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|
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I beleive that Recycling should be manditory, but I also think that they
|
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|
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should not charge for pick-up... THey (the city, state, government)
|
|||
|
|
only charge the companies for the recyled aluminum and whatever...
|
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|
|
|
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|
|
Did anyone see the news program about charging by pound for garbage
|
|||
|
|
pick-up? I personally think that that is a great idea.
|
|||
|
|
It is already in effect throughout Seattle...
|
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From: THE SPECIALIST
|
|||
|
|
To: DONTHEN
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Stuff
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/19/90 23:45:47
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6583
|
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|
|
|
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|
|
D>...deleted his one liner from the Ranean Tales base...
|
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|
|
Concur.
|
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|
|
Wholeheartedly.
|
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|
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D>...changing my handle to "Max"...
|
|||
|
|
Why?
|
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|
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|
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From: THE SPECIALIST
|
|||
|
|
To: BEATLE
|
|||
|
|
Subject: perversity
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/20/90 00:01:45
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6584
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I apologise for making such a "rude" statement. But you honestly
|
|||
|
|
don't believe that there is anything perverse about a man screwing
|
|||
|
|
another man in an orfice which was originally intended for one way
|
|||
|
|
operations? About a man kissing another man? You think that there is
|
|||
|
|
nothing unusual there?
|
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|
|
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|
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|
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|
|||
|
|
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
|||
|
|
To: BEATLE
|
|||
|
|
Subject: standards
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/20/90 00:09:18
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6585
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I would believe that there are less monogamous relationships between
|
|||
|
|
homos than hetros. Based on that (possibly erroneous) conclusion,
|
|||
|
|
(he says, charging wildly into another assumption) I would say that
|
|||
|
|
the incidence of multiple lovers among homos is more common than
|
|||
|
|
hetros. Therefore, by advocating homosexuality, Donthen is also
|
|||
|
|
advocating multiple lovers. (He finishes with a wild eyes flourish.)
|
|||
|
|
So, by criticizing Ann Wilson's song, he is indulging in hypocrisy!
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
"Ever hear of Socrates? Plato? Aristotle?"
|
|||
|
|
"Yes...."
|
|||
|
|
"Morons."
|
|||
|
|
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|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
|||
|
|
To: TURTLE
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Really annoying
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/20/90 00:21:29
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6586
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
TS>>They all subscribe to the same God, right? So what more?
|
|||
|
|
TS>
|
|||
|
|
T>Ted Bundy and I both drive (or drove) Volkswagen Bugs...so what more?
|
|||
|
|
T>
|
|||
|
|
EXACTLY!!!!!
|
|||
|
|
===========
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
|||
|
|
To: TURTLE
|
|||
|
|
Subject: NO, NO!
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/20/90 00:23:17
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6587
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
TS>>Does anyone have the statistics on who is the best educated state?
|
|||
|
|
TS>>
|
|||
|
|
T>DUh...Japan?
|
|||
|
|
T>
|
|||
|
|
No, I mean of the UNITED States...which one?
|
|||
|
|
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|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
|||
|
|
To: TURTLE
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Really odd
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/20/90 00:25:25
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6588
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
TS>>You WILL worship Him or you WILL go to Hell
|
|||
|
|
TS>
|
|||
|
|
T>FOR sinner:=burnd TO cinder;
|
|||
|
|
T>NEXT sinner
|
|||
|
|
DO LOOP UNTIL eternity
|
|||
|
|
END
|
|||
|
|
===========
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
|||
|
|
To: TURTLE
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Moral/Relavancy
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/20/90 00:28:59
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6589
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I think that you missed both of my points. And obviously, Just because
|
|||
|
|
pubic opinion says one thing doesn't mean that it will be enforced.
|
|||
|
|
And you cannot use this country as a yardstick to the rest of the world.
|
|||
|
|
My other point was that rape and molestation are not NORMAL. The
|
|||
|
|
fact that they hurt other people not withstanding...my point was
|
|||
|
|
that those also are perverse acts. They fall into the same category.
|
|||
|
|
Hmmm. They said that about oral sex, eh? I can just IMAGINE what they
|
|||
|
|
said about homoperversity.
|
|||
|
|
===========
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
|||
|
|
To: TURTLE
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Gun Control
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/20/90 00:37:44
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6590
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Do you think that the fact that a lot of americans own handguns is no
|
|||
|
|
deterrent to foriegn countries invading us? It sounds silly, but
|
|||
|
|
perhaps it plays a tiny role....
|
|||
|
|
And I think that if you eliminate drugs, you could cut down on
|
|||
|
|
crime to a degree.
|
|||
|
|
===========
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
|||
|
|
To: TURTLE
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Pop-ola
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/20/90 00:40:58
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6591
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
T>Poison's bet song..."Thorns," ...barely pulls a 3.5.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
And it surely wasn't for the complex, well thought out lyrics.
|
|||
|
|
===========
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
|||
|
|
To: MAX
|
|||
|
|
Subject: relationships
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/20/90 00:48:13
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6592
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
D>Why don't YOU ackowledge OUR point -- even if you don't like homo-
|
|||
|
|
D>sexuality, and don't condone it or approve of it, id doesn't make the
|
|||
|
|
D>homosexual in question into a child-mosesting perverted monster. It
|
|||
|
|
D>only makes him a human being with a sexual preference that you don't
|
|||
|
|
D>like.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
"child-molesting perverted monster"...boy, you got only one word
|
|||
|
|
right. I can acknowledge that it doesn't make them INTO a "child-
|
|||
|
|
molesting perverted monster". I do. Sincerely.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I equate homosexuality with perversity. I will even coin a word,
|
|||
|
|
"homoperversity". I did not say that because you are one, you are all,
|
|||
|
|
I simply said that they are on the same level. A child molester has
|
|||
|
|
a sick mind. Normal people don't think of doing and enjoying things
|
|||
|
|
like that. Homosexuality is not a preference. it is an abberance.
|
|||
|
|
It was not meant to be in the first place. I am sure that a sick mind
|
|||
|
|
thought of it to begin with. Men should be attracted to women, not
|
|||
|
|
other men. I would like to know what is normal about man being
|
|||
|
|
attracted to man.
|
|||
|
|
===========
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: THE SPECIALIST
|
|||
|
|
To: MAX
|
|||
|
|
Subject: censorship
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/20/90 01:02:04
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6593
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
D> I /have/ deleted messages before -- but not on the basis of the
|
|||
|
|
D>[contents of the message]...
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
That is "manifest bullshit". You have deleted messages because I
|
|||
|
|
used terms that you didn't like to refer to your gay friends. You
|
|||
|
|
don't call that censorship? Hah!
|
|||
|
|
===========
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: TREE BEARD
|
|||
|
|
To: JONBOY
|
|||
|
|
Subject: express
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/20/90 01:32:00
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6594
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Don't be sorry for going away, Ive been away quite a bit longer.
|
|||
|
|
Went on vacation, and quit smoking (again)... every time I go on
|
|||
|
|
vacation I quit smoking, then two months later I start up again. Oh
|
|||
|
|
well, wish me luck.
|
|||
|
|
U can use an iron to take the wax off... works pretty well, but it
|
|||
|
|
is a pain in the ass! I just did some tie bleach, looks pretty good...
|
|||
|
|
(every on else hates em...) Well, now that I have rambleded on for
|
|||
|
|
much to long for my health... (60 mghz death rays of electromagnitism)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
just kidden
|
|||
|
|
Tree Beard
|
|||
|
|
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|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: TURTLE
|
|||
|
|
To: RUFUS
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Recycling
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/20/90 01:59:12
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6595
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
You can recycle any paper that's not shiny (like magazine stock),
|
|||
|
|
waxy, or coated (as of now, ALL food service paper, from milk cartons
|
|||
|
|
to the so-called "biodegradable" packaging Burger King uses, is
|
|||
|
|
coated and therefore not recyclable). Newsprint, ordinary notebook
|
|||
|
|
paper, cardboard, junkmail that's not shiny, all that sort of stuff can
|
|||
|
|
be recycled.
|
|||
|
|
===========
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: TURTLE
|
|||
|
|
To: BEATLE
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Poison
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/20/90 02:01:44
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6596
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
There's not a whole lot of similarity between Guns 'n' Roses and
|
|||
|
|
Poison. Axel Rose has a remarkably good voice; Poison's lead singer
|
|||
|
|
makes me wish I were deaf. Guns 'n' Roses is generally musically
|
|||
|
|
interesting, and more than a little talented; all of Poison's musical
|
|||
|
|
talent would fit in a matchbook without taking the matches out first.
|
|||
|
|
On the other hand, Axel Rose probably qualifies as one of the nation's
|
|||
|
|
leading living assholes--a veritable monument to his own anus. Nobody's
|
|||
|
|
perfect.
|
|||
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|
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|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: TURTLE
|
|||
|
|
To: THRUD
|
|||
|
|
Subject: ignore
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/20/90 02:04:18
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6597
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Well, it seems Mr. Williams is a busy little cretin indeed. In a
|
|||
|
|
twelve-hour period he called almost every single BBS in Sarasota,
|
|||
|
|
Bradenton, and Venice, and left numerous messages identical to the
|
|||
|
|
ones he left here. Don't know what he was looking for; I've talked to
|
|||
|
|
several area sysops about him, and it appears he was annoyed at one
|
|||
|
|
local Fido sysop who didn't give him access to the echomail areas,
|
|||
|
|
so this is how he expressed his displeasure. Frankly, I'd like to
|
|||
|
|
see the man busted for telephone harrassment. Anybody out there know
|
|||
|
|
ANYTHING at all about George Williams?? (I know, slim-to-none chance,
|
|||
|
|
but it doesn't hurt to ask.)
|
|||
|
|
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|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: TURTLE
|
|||
|
|
To: JONBOY
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Pop Quiz
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/20/90 02:10:07
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6598
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Okay, I've got a question for ya. (People who've heard it before
|
|||
|
|
need not answer.) I'm standing on the surface of an airless world, and
|
|||
|
|
I throw a ball into the air such that it travels in a perfectly smooth
|
|||
|
|
arc (ie, no frictional considerations) and lands some distance away
|
|||
|
|
from me. Now: What shape accurately describes its arc? The answer most
|
|||
|
|
people will give--and the one a lot of textbooks I've seen will give--
|
|||
|
|
isn't the right one...
|
|||
|
|
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|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: TURTLE
|
|||
|
|
To: JONBOY
|
|||
|
|
Subject: General annoy..
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/20/90 02:14:37
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6599
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
>How /do/ those fringe radials manage to steal all the good press?
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Um...at a guess, because they're the most vocal, active, and highly
|
|||
|
|
visible of the people who claim to be Christian? For "fringe radicals,"
|
|||
|
|
hyperconservative Fundamentalism has a hell of a strong and popular
|
|||
|
|
following, and nobody can deny they're /very/ effective at hammering
|
|||
|
|
their belief system, their morality, and even their taste in reading
|
|||
|
|
material down the throats of the majority, Christian or no. These
|
|||
|
|
people may not represent "mainstream" Christianity, but there's enough
|
|||
|
|
of them that they can't be ignored or dismissed as a few loonies, and
|
|||
|
|
they're persistent enough and noisy enough to affect the views non-
|
|||
|
|
Christians have of Christianity as a whole.
|
|||
|
|
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|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: TURTLE
|
|||
|
|
To: JONBOY
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Really Immoral
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/20/90 02:20:54
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6600
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
>...it seems that people who restrict their expressions ot of respect
|
|||
|
|
>for others makes for a better society...
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Yes, that may be true, but does it therefore follow that restricting
|
|||
|
|
/other's/ expressions by force also makes for a more polite society?
|
|||
|
|
If a society is experiencing difficulty because its members can no
|
|||
|
|
longer behave in a respectful manner toward one another, it seems to me
|
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that there's something else wrong there--and preventing the people in
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the society from issuing utterances containing "bad" words (if indeed
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there really is such a thing) isn't going to cause an abrupt shift in
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the outlook of the people you're restricting. It also doesn't really
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follow that a society whose members use words that have arbitrarily
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been designated as "bad" is one that's up for a good bout of anarchy
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next Tuesday. There are a lot more factors at work here, and in the
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cosmic scale of things prohibiting dirty bumper stickers doesn't seem
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likely to create a new air of politeness and restraint.
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I guess what I'm saying is that I'm inherently suspicious of any attempt
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to abrogate anybody's freedom of expression, for any reason, unless
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there's clear and convincing evidence that it will serve the common good
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in a direct manner. Banning bumper stickers doesn't really seem likely
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to cause any miraculous change in society, or even prevent people from
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swearing at one another. It is simply a restriction placed on the
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populance for no reason other than some people don't like to see some
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words in print and don't feel anyone else should either...a personal
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reason, not one predicated on the well-being of society.
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From: TURTLE
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To: NAME
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Subject: Truth
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Date & Time: 07/20/90 02:30:10
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Message Number 6601
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>I decide what is truth based on what God says and not what man says or
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>does. I believe the Bible to be truth...
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Okay, here's one I still have never heard an answer to: You believe the
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Bible to be truth, as revealed by god, based on what? On the fact that
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the Bible /says/ it is? (Look: God is omnipotent, omiscient, and love;
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see, it says so right here on the label!) Almost every major scriptural
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work claims to be the truth--what makes the Bible any more valid than
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the Bhagivad Ghita, the Koran, or any other religious work? Belief in
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the Bible is fundamentally an act of faith, not an act of knowledge,
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and claiming to have arrived at the truth based solely on an act of
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faith seems like a difficult proposition to defend, particularly to
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an objective outsider.
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From: TURTLE
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To: NAME
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Subject: Really translit
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Date & Time: 07/20/90 02:37:49
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Message Number 6602
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>...the Bible mentions Hell...FIFTY-THREE TIMES...
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Depends on what translation you're using. The King James Version, I
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fear, is not a terribly reliable source; while it's the most poetic
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English Bible ever created, it's also generally acknowledged to be
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just about the worst translation. It is in some places a second or
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even third generation translation; large portions of the work come
|
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from the Latin Vulgate, which had problems of its own, and Greek
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texts. In point of fact, there is no unique Hebrew construct for
|
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the words "Hell" or "soul" as they appear in the KJV; the Hebrew
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uses the word (transliterated as) "ne'phesh" interchangably as "life"
|
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or "soul" (as in Lev. 11:10, "every living ne'phesh that is in the
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waters") and there is no indication in the Hebrew texts that the
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early Hebrews acknowledged either an immortal soul or punishment in
|
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a place called "hell". (To your implied question: Yes, I have read the
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Bible, in more than one translation, and would respectfully suggest that
|
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you consider obtaining an English translation not based on the KJV if
|
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|
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you'd like a more objective account of the written portion of the
|
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|
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Christian faith...or even considering in investing in an Anchor Bible
|
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|
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if you've got a wad of money kicking around underfoot.)
|
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Unfortunately, I think you also missed the point of my objection to a
|
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religion predicated on all people either going to heaven or hell.
|
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Christian doctorine as it is now taught states that people who are not
|
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|
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saved will go to hell; I can not accept a deity who would, for any
|
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reason, condemn any sapient being to eternal torture simply because
|
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|
|
that being wasn't properly reverent, particularly in light of that
|
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|
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deity's refusal to provide any objective evidence to set his religion
|
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|
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apart from any other. It doesn't matter to me that Christianity has
|
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|
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an out--the mere fact that it teaches that there is a hell is sufficient
|
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|
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to keep me away from it. The only religions I've encountered for which I
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have respect don't condemn non-believers.
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From: TURTLE
|
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|
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To: NAME
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|
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Subject: Bible
|
|||
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Date & Time: 07/20/90 03:04:03
|
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|
|
Message Number 6603
|
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|
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|
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>[The Bible] is where we get the tenent of Trinity from.
|
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|
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|
|
So are you a monotheist or a polytheist?
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From: TURTLE
|
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|
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To: THE SPECIALIST
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Bias in bias
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/20/90 03:05:17
|
|||
|
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Message Number 6604
|
|||
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|
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|
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>...you honestly don't believe that there is anything perverse about
|
|||
|
|
>a man screwing another man...?
|
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|
|
|
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|
|
So tell me: Are you equally biased against female homosexuality, or is
|
|||
|
|
the bulk of your intolerance directed against /male/ gays exclusively?
|
|||
|
|
There's something kind of perversely amusing [if you will pardon the
|
|||
|
|
expression] about a prejudiced prejudice...
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|
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|
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From: TURTLE
|
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|
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To: THE SPECIALIST
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Moral/Relavancy
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/20/90 03:10:07
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6605
|
|||
|
|
|
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|
|
>...you cannot use this country as a yardstick to the rest of the world.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I like to think that that's one of this country's strengths...but you
|
|||
|
|
still evaded my question. If what is moral is determined by public
|
|||
|
|
opinion, then is morality variable from society to society or does the
|
|||
|
|
majority on a /worldwide/ scale rule? I also think you're missing the
|
|||
|
|
problem with the argument that relates homosexuality to rape: by
|
|||
|
|
condemning them both as "perverse," regardless of the fact that one is
|
|||
|
|
a crime of violence directed against another person and the other is
|
|||
|
|
not, you open yourself up to a whole lot of similar comparisons which
|
|||
|
|
are clearly unsupportable. If I were to say, for example, that extra-
|
|||
|
|
marital sex is immoral, and therefore perverse, I could by your logic
|
|||
|
|
equate it with rape with equal validity. In fact, by your argument ANY
|
|||
|
|
action that ANYONE finds perverse, be it oral sex, sex outside the
|
|||
|
|
missionary position, sex on the Sabbath, or eating Cap'n Crunch without
|
|||
|
|
Crunch Berries, is the moral equivalent of rape. I'm sorry, but I simply
|
|||
|
|
don't buy that argument; I'd like to think that there's some difference,
|
|||
|
|
no matter how slight or how technical, between an action perpetrated
|
|||
|
|
with violence against an innocent individual and an action which is
|
|||
|
|
not.
|
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|
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|
|
From: TURTLE
|
|||
|
|
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Gun Control
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/20/90 03:16:11
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6606
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I think the fact that this country is not immediately approachable by
|
|||
|
|
a hostile power, has no antagonistic neighbors, has a very large and
|
|||
|
|
well-equipped army, and has the militart and economic muscle to throw
|
|||
|
|
its weight around almost with impunity has contributed more to the
|
|||
|
|
fact that we haven't been attacked than does the fact that the
|
|||
|
|
citizenry is armed to the teeth. "Red Dawn" notwithstanding, a .30-06
|
|||
|
|
doesn't do noticable damage to an APC. On the other hand, I'd say that
|
|||
|
|
the fact that a large number of Americans own guns HAS contributed to
|
|||
|
|
the fact that I personally /have/ been attacked, and would like to
|
|||
|
|
take this opportunity to point out that it doesn't matter if I'm killed
|
|||
|
|
by an evil Russkie or a random American asshole with a gun; I'm still
|
|||
|
|
dead. I also wonder if the feeling of protection from foreign invasion
|
|||
|
|
you may feel because everyone and his dog packs assault rifles is really
|
|||
|
|
worth turning most major inner cities into microcosmic models of
|
|||
|
|
Lebanon is really worth the trade. Countries like Sweden may be open to
|
|||
|
|
the evil imperialists of the world, but you're still ten thousand
|
|||
|
|
percent more likely to be shot dead here than there, although the know-
|
|||
|
|
ledge that it's American lead rather than foreign lead that's just
|
|||
|
|
precipitated in your vital parts must be a comfort.
|
|||
|
|
No, I'm not really n anti-gun nut (point of fact, I like guns a
|
|||
|
|
/whole lot/); I just don't like getting shot at.
|
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|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: TURTLE
|
|||
|
|
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
|||
|
|
Subject: censorship
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/20/90 03:26:11
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6607
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
"Manifest bullshit"...God I love that expression!
|
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|
|
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|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: RUFUS
|
|||
|
|
To: TURTLE
|
|||
|
|
Subject: ignore
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/20/90 15:14:49
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6608
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
>In a twelve-hour period he called almost every single BBS in Sarasota
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
And he missed mine. Damn!
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
:)
|
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|
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|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: RUFUS
|
|||
|
|
To: ETC...
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Recycling
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/20/90 15:21:19
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6609
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Charging by pound would be a fair way of handling it, but it would have
|
|||
|
|
some drawbacks. If people had to pay per pound, they'd be more likely
|
|||
|
|
to find a local empty space and dump their garbage there. If they knew
|
|||
|
|
they had to pay "x" amount if they had no bags of garbage or 10 bags of
|
|||
|
|
garbage, they'd probably stick it out on the curb come Monday morning
|
|||
|
|
pick-up.
|
|||
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|
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|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: ETC...
|
|||
|
|
To: RUFUS
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Recycling
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/20/90 16:21:33
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6610
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I disagree, in Seatle it has worked so far with only a very slight
|
|||
|
|
increase in ileagle dumping...
|
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|
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|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: ANGEL
|
|||
|
|
To: MAX
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Mr. Williams
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/20/90 23:03:10
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6611
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
No, no, no, no. I was re-iterating Donthen's earlier statement that
|
|||
|
|
deleting messages equates with censorship. That is not my belief,
|
|||
|
|
since his definition for censorship was posted in response to my
|
|||
|
|
suggesting that are certain types of messages that should be
|
|||
|
|
considered for deleting.
|
|||
|
|
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|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: ANGEL
|
|||
|
|
To: RUFUS
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Recycling
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/20/90 23:07:08
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6612
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
> Just what kind of paper can be recycled?
|
|||
|
|
I don't know about private recycling, but at work we recycle pllain
|
|||
|
|
paper and computer paper (we get the highest price/ton for greenbar
|
|||
|
|
paper). Our recycler will not accept newspaper or gloss stock. From
|
|||
|
|
the plain white stock they recycle it and (among other purposes) use
|
|||
|
|
it to make toilet paper .... a fitting end for most corporate memos.
|
|||
|
|
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|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: ANGEL
|
|||
|
|
To: NAME
|
|||
|
|
Subject: gates of...
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/20/90 23:16:44
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6613
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Which Bible? Mine has your quoted scripture reading "...and the
|
|||
|
|
powers of death shall not lprevail against it." with appropriate
|
|||
|
|
footnote saying that in the original Greek text the exact quote
|
|||
|
|
reads "the gates of Hades". Are you reading a paraphrased Bible?
|
|||
|
|
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|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: ANGEL
|
|||
|
|
To: NAME
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Bible
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/20/90 23:23:54
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6614
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Again, not in my Bible (I have three different translations, and none
|
|||
|
|
of them are close to yours) RSV 1 John 5 v 7: And the Spirit is the
|
|||
|
|
witness, because the Spirit is the truth. There are three witnesses,
|
|||
|
|
the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree." No
|
|||
|
|
footnote. And my three versions say roughly the same thing.
|
|||
|
|
"Is there in truth no beauty?" Star Trek, Episode 78.
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: ANGEL
|
|||
|
|
To: ETC...
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Recycling
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/20/90 23:27:24
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6615
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
> charging by poung for garbage pick-up...
|
|||
|
|
Not so neat an idea. Sarasota county only recently changed garbage
|
|||
|
|
pick-up to a flat fee per household (previously you charged by the
|
|||
|
|
can). This was to prevent people from illegally dumping, and since
|
|||
|
|
that has been in effect, cases of dumping have dropped considerably.
|
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|
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|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: BEATLE
|
|||
|
|
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
|||
|
|
Subject: perversity
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/21/90 01:44:52
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6617
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
> You think that there is nothing unusual there?
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Unusual is a relative term... I'm just thinking with an open mind. A
|
|||
|
|
homosexual person has their own preference. That's not my business to
|
|||
|
|
decide what is or isn't "perverse" or "unusual".
|
|||
|
|
I don't like thrash metal, or most heavy metal in general. I think
|
|||
|
|
it's different, that doesn't mean it's perverse.
|
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|
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|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: BEATLE
|
|||
|
|
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
|||
|
|
Subject: standards
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/21/90 01:47:40
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6618
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Sorry, I can't quote, so let me paraphrase.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Since the number of non-monogomous relationships is more between homo-
|
|||
|
|
sexuals, you believe that Donthen is a hypocrite becuase he doesn't like
|
|||
|
|
non-monogomous relationships.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Lemme ask you... do you advocate heterosexuality? Do you deplore non-
|
|||
|
|
monogomous relationships? If you answered yes to both, then by your
|
|||
|
|
logic, you're also a hypocrite. But, you throw in the point that there
|
|||
|
|
are more non-monogomous relationships with homosexuals. Well, that could
|
|||
|
|
be a factor in your logic, but I don't see where it makes a big heap of
|
|||
|
|
difference.
|
|||
|
|
Ever consider that because people like you don't accept homosexuals,
|
|||
|
|
they are afraid to say that they are gay, and this causes a shortage of
|
|||
|
|
people to have monogomous relationships with?
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Just a thought.
|
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|
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|
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|
|||
|
|
From: BEATLE
|
|||
|
|
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Moral/Relavancy
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/21/90 01:54:06
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6619
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
> rape and molestation are not NORMAL.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Well, to use your logic, you have to convince others that being gay is
|
|||
|
|
not normal, and that is far different than convincing someone that rape
|
|||
|
|
and molestation are not normal.
|
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|
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|
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|
|||
|
|
From: BEATLE
|
|||
|
|
To: TURTLE
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Pop Quiz
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/21/90 02:00:15
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6620
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
You can't ask the question. You threw a ball into air that wasn't
|
|||
|
|
there... technically, you can't be there either.
|
|||
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|
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|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: BEATLE
|
|||
|
|
To: ANGEL
|
|||
|
|
Subject: things...
|
|||
|
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Date & Time: 07/21/90 02:11:28
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Message Number 6621
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> "Is there in truth no beauty?" Star Trek, Episode 78.
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You picked a random number, didn't you? "Is There In Truth No Beauty?"
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isn't epsisode 78 by either of the standards used to numerically arrange
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the Treks (production or air order...)
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From: BEATLE
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To: ALL
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Subject: Censorship
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Date & Time: 07/21/90 02:14:32
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Message Number 6622
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Found this letter on censorship in an old Video Review. Some of you
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may get a kick out of it.
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"VAMPIRES (AKA CENSORSHIP) is taking over! VAMPIRES are draining blood
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from many otherwise enjoyable programs. In today's Television, the
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VAMPIRE IS KING! His Horrible Legacy:
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1. Cop Shows without shooting or lessons learned.
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2. Doctor Shows without operations or dying.
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3. Westerns without Cowboys.
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This reminds me of the story of the boy standing still while somebody
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smashed him in the face, over and over again, and what the boy finally
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said: "OK, I think I've had enough now."
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And it made it onto the same page with these two words: "sleezbags" and
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"Syndrom", both in a letter from a teacher...
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If you thought that was good, you should see the rest of the page.
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From: BEATLE
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To: ALL
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Subject: Omaha
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Date & Time: 07/21/90 14:11:13
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Message Number 6624
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I was watching TV last night, and they had a commercial for Monday's
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"Entertainment Tonight"
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"Dick Tracy had a hit movie. So did Superman and Batman. Is Omaha the
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Cat Dancer next?"
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I beleieve their example was hypothetical (the story will be on adult
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comics that MAY inspire movies), but it was quite funny, since this idea
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had been brought up recently on the furry echo.
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From: KEN OBER
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To: TURTLE
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Subject: Marxism
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Date & Time: 07/21/90 16:24:57
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Message Number 6625
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> Seriously, dude, what do recycling and Marxism have in common?
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Nothing. MANDATORY RECYCLING and Marxism, however, and one-and-the-
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same....
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From: RAVEN
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To: KEN OBER
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Subject: Marxism
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Date & Time: 07/21/90 17:33:52
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Message Number 6626
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> Nothing. MANDATORY RECYCLING and Marxism, however, and one-and-the-
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> same....
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Mandatory recycling, however, is probably the only way to get some
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people to do the recycling thing.
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From: RAVEN
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To: THE SPECIALIST
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Subject: Really annoying
|
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Date & Time: 07/21/90 17:36:36
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Message Number 6627
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>but I can't condone child beating, or molestation, or rape, or homo...
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>or beasti..., and these are all things that can go on behind closed
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>doors!!!
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What has homosexuality got to do with child beating, rape, and
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molestation, and why do you find yourself unable to type it, when you
|
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no problem with typing the three things that are actualy deplorable?
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Inquiring minds want to know.
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From: ETC...
|
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To: KEN OBER
|
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Subject: Marxism
|
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Date & Time: 07/21/90 23:34:35
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Message Number 6628
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One in the same as in recycled ideas?
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From: KEN OBER
|
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|
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To: RAVEN
|
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|
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Subject: Marxism
|
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Date & Time: 07/22/90 03:03:47
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Message Number 6629
|
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So? Killing druggies is probably the only way to stop them using drugs
|
|||
|
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totally ... What's your point?
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From: TURTLE
|
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To: BEATLE
|
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|
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Subject: Business is bad
|
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Date & Time: 07/22/90 04:25:24
|
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Message Number 6630
|
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>That's not my business to decide what is or isn't "perverse" or
|
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|
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>"unusual."
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Of course not. As everyone knows, the man in charge of deciding what
|
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|
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is and is not perverse is Jesse Helms. What's more, he's also qualified
|
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to decide what is and is not obscene, blasphemous, pornographic,
|
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immoral, degrading, without redeeming value, artistic, acceptable,
|
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normal, decent, and proper.
|
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|
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|
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A busy man, Mr. Helms. You almost wonder where he finds the time to
|
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|
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raise $10,000 a week in campaign contributions, meet with special
|
|||
|
|
interest groups and lobbyists from the NRA and tobacco industry, shoot
|
|||
|
|
down efforts to pass legislation designed to clean up unsavory
|
|||
|
|
Congressional practices, defend the flag, support the South African
|
|||
|
|
government, filibuster against civil rights legislation, accuse
|
|||
|
|
political opponents of homosexuality, and explain to the voting public
|
|||
|
|
how Dr. martin Luther King, Jr. was a Communist. (In his spare time, he
|
|||
|
|
cuts off funding for the National Endowment for the Arts, donates money
|
|||
|
|
to white supremecist organizations and publications, dips his hand in
|
|||
|
|
the Congressional mass-marketing till, and proposes that people who
|
|||
|
|
have AIDS and people associated in any with people who have AIDS should
|
|||
|
|
be placed in concentration camps.)
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From: TURTLE
|
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|
|
To: BEATLE
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Censorship
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/22/90 04:39:21
|
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|
|
Message Number 6631
|
|||
|
|
|
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|
|
If you liked that letter, you're gonna /love/ this one (from Playboy's
|
|||
|
|
April 1990 issue):
|
|||
|
|
"As a Christian and a member of the Baptist Church for 40 years, I am
|
|||
|
|
saddened and even appalled that the only reasonably accurate and un-
|
|||
|
|
biased account of the Reverends Donald Wildmon's, Pat Robertson's, and
|
|||
|
|
Dr. James C. Dobson's activities is published in Playboy magazine.
|
|||
|
|
Playboy may be the only place a dissenting opinion can reach other
|
|||
|
|
Christians. The Playboy Forum has characterized the influence of those
|
|||
|
|
preachers as being akin to McCarthyism; I would characterize it as a
|
|||
|
|
resurgence of the Dark Ages, with its inquisitions, witch trials and
|
|||
|
|
crusades. If we do not expose these new knights of the cross for who and
|
|||
|
|
what they are, they will succeed.
|
|||
|
|
"I cherish the right to practice my religion in peace. But I will not
|
|||
|
|
support any person who would limit the personal freedoms granted of us
|
|||
|
|
all, Christian or not, by the First Amendment. Advocates of religious
|
|||
|
|
tyrrany have hidden behind the Christian banner far too often."
|
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|
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|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: TURTLE
|
|||
|
|
To: KEN OBER
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Marxism
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/22/90 04:46:35
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6632
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
>MANDATORY RECYCLING and Marxism, however, are one-and-the-same....
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Yes, I believe there is a chapter on mandatory recycling in "Das
|
|||
|
|
Kapital," come to think of it! It goes something like this:
|
|||
|
|
"Death to the imperialist bourgeiose whipping dogs who force us to
|
|||
|
|
separate our garbage into recyclable piles before removing it from
|
|||
|
|
our doorstep! The workers of th world have a RIGHT to have their
|
|||
|
|
trash taken away daily! How dare the imperialist pig-dogs who provide
|
|||
|
|
this service even DARE to tell ous /how/ they will provide it! Workers,
|
|||
|
|
you have the right to generate as much garbage as is humanly possible,
|
|||
|
|
and have all of it hauled away! Make no mistake, the forces of
|
|||
|
|
capitalist evil who spread propaganda about drowning in your own refuse
|
|||
|
|
poison your minds and enslave you! The running dogs of the upper classes
|
|||
|
|
who point out that trash collection is a service, just like any other,
|
|||
|
|
and the people who priovide that service have the same right to dictate
|
|||
|
|
the conditions under which they will perform it just as the people who
|
|||
|
|
provide water can shut it off if you don't pay simply imprison you in
|
|||
|
|
subservience to their own greedy, selfish desire for a clean world!
|
|||
|
|
Workers, unite! Throw away your chains of oppression, and don't bother
|
|||
|
|
to recycle them! We can always build more landfills!"
|
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|
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|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: THRUD
|
|||
|
|
To: ALL
|
|||
|
|
Subject: expotech
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/22/90 07:02:48
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6633
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
>My personal favorite has to be Family Feud..
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Eeeeeek! Please, no! To borrow a line from "Weird Al" Yankovic
|
|||
|
|
"I'd rather clean all the tiolets in Grand Central Station with my
|
|||
|
|
tongue than spend one more minute with you."
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
...it's late, and I can't spell toilets, but I do like pizza.
|
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|
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|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: MAX
|
|||
|
|
To: NAME
|
|||
|
|
Subject: definitions
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/22/90 10:44:49
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6635
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
The point is living something and acting CONTRARY to it. The question
|
|||
|
|
does arise how one is to come to the conclusion that the Biblle iks
|
|||
|
|
truth (despite what most Christians think, it's far from self-evident),
|
|||
|
|
but that's another story. An "impartial observer," however, would not
|
|||
|
|
be terribly receptive to any argument about moral/immoral behavior that
|
|||
|
|
referred to the Bible or said, in effect, "Action 'X' is immoral because
|
|||
|
|
that is part of the way reality is, and our difference comes from the
|
|||
|
|
fact that I understand the fundamental law of the universe on which this
|
|||
|
|
is based and you do not." This is the philosophical basis for such
|
|||
|
|
statements as, for example, "Homosexuality is morally wrong because it
|
|||
|
|
violates God's law" (or a "first principle" or whatever one wants to
|
|||
|
|
call it to avoid looking too Judeo-Christian).
|
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|
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|
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|
|||
|
|
From: MAX
|
|||
|
|
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Stuff
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/22/90 10:50:44
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6636
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I'm changing my handle to Max because I'd rather leave "Donthen" as the
|
|||
|
|
name of the storyboard character alone. "Max" is a character, of sorts,
|
|||
|
|
but he would be more an idealized version of me (and as a furry,
|
|||
|
|
although the "idealized" part would be related to attitudes and
|
|||
|
|
general outlook rather than possession of fur and a long tail).
|
|||
|
|
Donthen the character is mostly likable in spite of himself. Max is
|
|||
|
|
generally more easygoing and less irascible, although he will strongly
|
|||
|
|
defend something he believes in (as would Donthen). At any rate, if
|
|||
|
|
there's a choice between which one to be associated with in BBS users'
|
|||
|
|
minds, I think I'd rather pick the mellow cat than the balding fat guy
|
|||
|
|
with the cigar, even though he's a pretty fun character.
|
|||
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|
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|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: MAX
|
|||
|
|
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
|||
|
|
Subject: relationships
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/22/90 10:56:14
|
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|
|
Message Number 6637
|
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|
|
|
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|
|
I don't know what's "normal" about it because I don't know what causes
|
|||
|
|
it. (I also don't know what's abnormal about it, beyond the obvious
|
|||
|
|
fact that it's deviant from society's norm.) I have met people who are
|
|||
|
|
homosexual and bisexual who are, setting their sexual preference aside,
|
|||
|
|
perfectly normal; if their "perversity" was truly a mental disease, it
|
|||
|
|
would be quite likely to manifest itself in other ways. It doesn't.
|
|||
|
|
As I've said before, I had similar attitudes as yours until I met
|
|||
|
|
some of the "perverts" in question and couldn't really find any grounds
|
|||
|
|
for treating them as sickos. To my utter amazement, several were very
|
|||
|
|
interesting people, fascinating to talk to and generally people that I'd
|
|||
|
|
like to be friends with (and in most of those cases, I am). If someone
|
|||
|
|
had told me this was going to happen ahead of time, I wouldn't have
|
|||
|
|
believed them and would probably have been offended; I probably can't
|
|||
|
|
expect you to react in a substantially different manner.
|
|||
|
|
Admittedly, I never tried to lump homosexuals in with child molesters
|
|||
|
|
and rapists, either. Sorry, but I simply can't understand your reasons
|
|||
|
|
for connecting them together except that ultimately they are all things
|
|||
|
|
that you don't like. Homosexuality doesn't have any victims, and this
|
|||
|
|
makes it qualitatively distinct from the "perversions" you keep bringing
|
|||
|
|
up.
|
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|
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|
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|
|||
|
|
From: MAX
|
|||
|
|
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
|||
|
|
Subject: censorship
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/22/90 11:03:07
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6638
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Nope, I never deleted any of your messages. The only message in that
|
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|
|
entire chain I deleted was one to you, that flamed you up one side and{
|
|||
|
|
down the other, for bringing things down to a level that I found
|
|||
|
|
reprehensible. I deleted it before you read it because I thought it was
|
|||
|
|
too strongly stated.
|
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|
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|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: RAVEN
|
|||
|
|
To: KEN OBER
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Marxism
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/22/90 12:22:15
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6639
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
>Killing druggies is probably the only way to stop them using drugs
|
|||
|
|
>totally
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Wrong. Although it is the cheapest method, it is not moral, or even
|
|||
|
|
socially acceptable.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Mandatory recycling of metal, glass, and paper products would go a long
|
|||
|
|
way toward helping to save our resources. It is also a profit making
|
|||
|
|
business. I know, I collected papers and metal and sold them to
|
|||
|
|
recycling depots from the age of 9 to 11. I did not get into recycling
|
|||
|
|
glass because of the volume necessiary (it is done by the barrel).
|
|||
|
|
Mandatory recycling would (allowing for the inevitable ineficiency of
|
|||
|
|
city governments) still be a self supporting venture.
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
Please keep your responses to the point knucklehead.
|
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|
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|
|||
|
|
From: RUFUS
|
|||
|
|
To: THRUD
|
|||
|
|
Subject: expotech
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/22/90 14:32:09
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6640
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
>Anybody going to the Expotech...
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Okay, just what is the Expotech?
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
>...interested in buying a copy on Mythagoras...
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
You can pick one up at the Time Machine in Bradenton. I don't know if
|
|||
|
|
there are any in the possesion of Turtle or Max.
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
BTW, I found your polar bear wandering around my front yard. Lemme tell
|
|||
|
|
ya, polar bear makes a darn good stir fry, with lots left over for a
|
|||
|
|
polar bear sandwhich.
|
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|
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|
|||
|
|
From: BEATLE
|
|||
|
|
To: RUFUS
|
|||
|
|
Subject: expotech
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/22/90 16:10:12
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6642
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
> What is expotech?
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
It's a two-day business show at the Robarts Arena during the week...
|
|||
|
|
they have representatives from different computer/business companies.
|
|||
|
|
They also have meetings you can attend such as "The usefullness of
|
|||
|
|
Windows 3.0", but you need not attend if you wish to avoid being brain-
|
|||
|
|
washed. Admission in general is free. I would be interested in just
|
|||
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dropping in to check it out if you or Ken Ober would like to a) go to it
|
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and b) pick me up...
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From: KEN OBER
|
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To: RAVEN
|
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Subject: Marxism
|
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Date & Time: 07/22/90 19:27:41
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Message Number 6643
|
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Mandatory recycling /would/ be socially unacceptable if we were not
|
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living in a era where Marxism is socially acceptable.....May the
|
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drafters of the Constitution frown apon you and your Marxist fiends
|
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all around the world....
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From: KEN OBER
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To: ALL
|
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Subject: expotech
|
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Date & Time: 07/22/90 19:29:45
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Message Number 6644
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Looks as if it will have an impressive Amiga display there....
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From: JONBOY
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To: DONTHEN
|
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Subject: Catholicism
|
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Date & Time: 07/22/90 19:44:59
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Message Number 6645
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Oh wel... at least you weren't partial!
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From: JONBOY
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To: RUFUS
|
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Subject: Calling...
|
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Date & Time: 07/22/90 19:46:52
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Message Number 6646
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YER welcome! If I find anymore stuff will deposit in the same
|
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bottomless pit,,
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From: JONBOY
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To: RUFUS
|
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Subject: Earth?
|
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Date & Time: 07/22/90 19:47:59
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Message Number 6647
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I always wanted the 64K from memotech - the one I really blew was
|
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|
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a guy up in Utah was selling the whole package including printer
|
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(remember the 40 col termal printer?) for $35. I shoulda...
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From: JONBOY
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To: THE SPECIALIST
|
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Subject: Really annoying
|
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Date & Time: 07/22/90 19:56:00
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Message Number 6648
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|
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|
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No - I DON'T smoke - I quit - but it still bothers me that people
|
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|
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deprive smokers of THEIR rights. I'm a "religious" person in the
|
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|
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sense that I believe that Jesus died for the sins of mankind. I also
|
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have been baptised which is one of the things Jesus asked us to do if
|
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we would follow him.
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Sorry to burst your bubble but I am neither judgemental or pitying
|
|||
|
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of anyone. Your a big boy/girl and the decision is ALL YOURS. My part
|
|||
|
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in the plan is to simply be informative to folks that I think desire
|
|||
|
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further knowledge. As far as figuring out whether they will go to
|
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heaven or not - I have not the slightest idea or desire to know. That
|
|||
|
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is between them and God at the proper time.
|
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|
|
Hard-rockers? I PLAY rock-n-roll and Van Halen has been known to
|
|||
|
|
follow Def Leppard from my amp (much to the chagrin of the neighbors!).
|
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|
|
Christian metal groups? The only one I can claim to have heard is
|
|||
|
|
Stryper and they need a new lead vocalist. I admire them for taking
|
|||
|
|
the stand that they have and it does not appear to be hype.
|
|||
|
|
Too bad that you suffer from the same case of tunnel vision that
|
|||
|
|
you claim the entire Judeo-Christian culture has...
|
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From: JONBOY
|
|||
|
|
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Really annoying
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/22/90 20:06:57
|
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|
|
Message Number 6649
|
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|
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|
|
What does education have to do with being a hick? I have some kin-
|
|||
|
|
folks that are as hillbilly as they come but I wouldn't care to get into
|
|||
|
|
a debate with 'em!! Truth is their head is screwed on tighter than
|
|||
|
|
mine when it comes to politics and ordinary living (like when do you
|
|||
|
|
start worrying about frost and the harvest).
|
|||
|
|
I have mucho college and education behind me with several kinds of
|
|||
|
|
practical experience to back it up and I'll be the FIRST to tell you
|
|||
|
|
that education is not the whole story.
|
|||
|
|
As far as Damned Yankees goes - if they move here and try to come to
|
|||
|
|
a compromise with the culture and heritage of the South - you are
|
|||
|
|
welcome. If you want to come and bitch and make fun of our customs
|
|||
|
|
(like being polite and hospitable) and say we "tawk funnah!". then
|
|||
|
|
carry your ass back where you came from (tho I doubt they'd want you).
|
|||
|
|
That's my bottom line anyway. The touristas that rape and pillage
|
|||
|
|
on a yearly basis fall under this dictum also.
|
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|
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|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: JONBOY
|
|||
|
|
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Really annoying
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/22/90 20:15:26
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6650
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
What a brave stance! I get the impression that you object to the
|
|||
|
|
implications of the word "worship". Are you really aware of what
|
|||
|
|
the word means? Are you really so special that you bow to no one
|
|||
|
|
and acknowledge no master? What a spectacular oversight you have there!
|
|||
|
|
Look at the life you would lead in ANY country in the world. Tell me
|
|||
|
|
that you don't have people running your life and controlling your
|
|||
|
|
destiny. God at least promises eternal life for the simple act of
|
|||
|
|
acknowledging His diety and accepting His terms (oh wow - really
|
|||
|
|
tough stuff here - do unto others...) What is really your complaint?
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: JONBOY
|
|||
|
|
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Moral/Immoral/A
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/22/90 20:21:54
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6651
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
You're rich!!!
|
|||
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|
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|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: JONBOY
|
|||
|
|
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Really annoying
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/22/90 20:23:53
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6652
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I'll state for the record that no one has the right to judge anyone
|
|||
|
|
for their sexual preferences. It would be a dangerous precident indeed
|
|||
|
|
if we were to allow scrutiny of what goes on in the privacy of a
|
|||
|
|
person's home. Ye Gads! Shades of Thought Police - you are a
|
|||
|
|
dangerous person in your blind hatred of anything "different".
|
|||
|
|
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|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: JONBOY
|
|||
|
|
To: ANGEL
|
|||
|
|
Subject: misspelling
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/22/90 20:27:49
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6653
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I think he ran out of room on the line...
|
|||
|
|
A Graffittical JonBoy
|
|||
|
|
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|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: JONBOY
|
|||
|
|
To: ANGEL
|
|||
|
|
Subject: definition
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/22/90 20:29:10
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6654
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
But of course - and this is why they are classed as "cults" by
|
|||
|
|
"mainstream" Christians - I mean all of 'em! They teach things that
|
|||
|
|
cannot be backed up in the Bible and rely on "special" dispensations
|
|||
|
|
and/or knowledge that can't be substantiated - thus the classification.
|
|||
|
|
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|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: JONBOY
|
|||
|
|
To: BEATLE
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Really annoying
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/22/90 20:32:28
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6655
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
That stuff is dance music - plain and simple - turn off brain , turn
|
|||
|
|
on your gonads and hook 'em up to fibrillated feet - You got it!
|
|||
|
|
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|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: JONBOY
|
|||
|
|
To: BEATLE
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Really annoying
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/22/90 20:34:30
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6656
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Now if they just don't ruin it with too many "special effects". That
|
|||
|
|
ruined quad stereo - people got bored of hearing different instruments
|
|||
|
|
from each speaker because it doesn't sound real.
|
|||
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|
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|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: JONBOY
|
|||
|
|
To: BEATLE
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Really annoying
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/22/90 20:37:24
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6657
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Whatever happened to getting a job so you could earn money for a bike
|
|||
|
|
or car? What's your idea of "somewhere" around the block and a c
|
|||
|
|
couple of miles down is somewhere - maybe you could/would/should
|
|||
|
|
meet someone new and strike up a friendship. Maybe you could/should/
|
|||
|
|
would (herinafter abbreviated CSW) strike up a healthy relationship
|
|||
|
|
with Mudder Nature - she's a fascinating wench and full of surprises.
|
|||
|
|
Maybe you CSW pick up a book on programming in a new language and learn
|
|||
|
|
it and make yourself valuable. Above all - don't shortchange yourself.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
A Waste-Not_Want_Not JonBoy
|
|||
|
|
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|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: JONBOY
|
|||
|
|
To: TURTLE
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Really annoying
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/22/90 20:42:40
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6658
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Damn! I KNEW there was a connection!!! I knew it! I had this
|
|||
|
|
premonition when I dropped the books off! Hot Damn I KNEW there was
|
|||
|
|
something nagging at the back of my brain. All thsi stime ITS CLEAR NOW
|
|||
|
|
but what do we do about it?
|
|||
|
|
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|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: JONBOY
|
|||
|
|
To: TURTLE
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Really somethin
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/22/90 20:44:28
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6659
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Nahhh - Iceland is the most literate nation in the world (really!)
|
|||
|
|
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|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: JONBOY
|
|||
|
|
To: TURTLE
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Algorithms
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/22/90 20:45:14
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6660
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
sorry the algorithmn is:
|
|||
|
|
WHILE(JudgementDay)
|
|||
|
|
{
|
|||
|
|
IF(NOT Saved)
|
|||
|
|
THEN
|
|||
|
|
HearExcuse;
|
|||
|
|
IF(SAVED OR EXCUSED)
|
|||
|
|
{
|
|||
|
|
Person.Status := ANGEL;
|
|||
|
|
ANGEL := ANGEL + HARP;
|
|||
|
|
Procedure Teach_Sing(Person : ANGEL)
|
|||
|
|
{
|
|||
|
|
WHILE(DON'T_KNOW_HANDEL'S_MESSIAH)
|
|||
|
|
Teach_Sing(ANGEL);
|
|||
|
|
}
|
|||
|
|
Turn_Angel_Loose;
|
|||
|
|
GetNextAngel;
|
|||
|
|
}
|
|||
|
|
Stoke_Flames;
|
|||
|
|
ThrowSinner(Real Far);
|
|||
|
|
}
|
|||
|
|
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|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: JONBOY
|
|||
|
|
To: CRYSTAL
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Recycling
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/22/90 20:54:58
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6661
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Whoami - ummmm lemmesee.... I Got It! You are that most common
|
|||
|
|
of humans - I gotanopinion! Good thing too - it's a prerequisite
|
|||
|
|
===========
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: JONBOY
|
|||
|
|
To: CRYSTAL
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Earth??!! Huh?
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/22/90 20:56:43
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6662
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I heard a guy in North Carolina got 10 years for that!!!
|
|||
|
|
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|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: JONBOY
|
|||
|
|
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Gun Control
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/22/90 21:11:37
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6663
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
And if the sky was green someone would have to mow it! See we can
|
|||
|
|
all draw non-sequitars when we really want to!!!
|
|||
|
|
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|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: JONBOY
|
|||
|
|
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
|||
|
|
Subject: relationships
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/22/90 21:13:19
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6664
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Just out of curiosity - at what age do you consider it "proper" and no
|
|||
|
|
longer child molestation? IE when is the female in question a woman.
|
|||
|
|
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|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: JONBOY
|
|||
|
|
To: TREE BEARD
|
|||
|
|
Subject: express
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/22/90 21:15:10
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6665
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Glad to see ya back! Things haven't been dull. Hang in there with
|
|||
|
|
the quit smoking - after 12 days it is no longer a physical craving
|
|||
|
|
it is pure psychological. If you ain't in control of yer own brain then
|
|||
|
|
who is? But seriously - it is a struggle -especially if you like to
|
|||
|
|
smoke. I still get the urge or desire after almost a year now but I
|
|||
|
|
ain't giving in!
|
|||
|
|
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|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: JONBOY
|
|||
|
|
To: TURTLE
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Pop Quiz
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/22/90 21:19:54
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6666
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
#1 - You can't throw the ball into the air on an airless world.
|
|||
|
|
Next!
|
|||
|
|
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|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: JONBOY
|
|||
|
|
To: TURTLE
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Really Immoral
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/22/90 21:22:58
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6667
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
A real small detail is that people learn about society not only by
|
|||
|
|
slowly participating in it - but also by observing it in action.
|
|||
|
|
I would personally rather put out the message that it isn't necessary
|
|||
|
|
or desirable to resort to foul language to be a)funny b)cool
|
|||
|
|
or any other "side" effect of this nature. I tend to look on things
|
|||
|
|
like this as an indicator of society as a whole and not as an isoltaed
|
|||
|
|
(damned dyslectic keyboard) isolated instance. Bottom line is I feel
|
|||
|
|
that society is going the wrong direction. People would rather be rude
|
|||
|
|
than polite, people will opt for being percieved as "cool" even if it's
|
|||
|
|
at someone elses expense - these are things that I see more and more of
|
|||
|
|
every year and it concerns me. It manifests itself as simple things
|
|||
|
|
like the bumperstickers. Can you thing of a good reason for them to
|
|||
|
|
exist? (the ones that use foul language)
|
|||
|
|
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|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: JONBOY
|
|||
|
|
To: TURTLE
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Truth
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/22/90 21:32:10
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6668
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Kind of misleading there Turtle - what exactly DO the Koran, Bhagd-Vita
|
|||
|
|
and the other documents claim?
|
|||
|
|
AS far as the Bible's claim - yes it makes that claim and with the
|
|||
|
|
many authors that it has had it maintains this stance throughout it's
|
|||
|
|
entirety. It documents from the mists of the beginning to the shroud
|
|||
|
|
covering the end of our world. It says what God's position is and
|
|||
|
|
what man's options are with plenty of examples. By virtue of the FACT
|
|||
|
|
it can be verified for historical accuracy - it is to be assumed that
|
|||
|
|
the claim it makes for itself to be true within the framework of the
|
|||
|
|
system that spawned it.
|
|||
|
|
If I believe that Odin really is the top dog - then obviously I fall
|
|||
|
|
outside the framework of the Bible. When the truth is finally unveiled
|
|||
|
|
however, then we must answer for our beliefs.
|
|||
|
|
===========
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: JONBOY
|
|||
|
|
To: TURTLE
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Really translit
|
|||
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Date & Time: 07/22/90 21:40:38
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Message Number 6669
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Ever see a poster called "The Last Great Act of Defiance"?
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Hmmmmmmmm?
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From: BOB ARDREN
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To: JONBOY
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Subject: Age
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Date & Time: 07/22/90 22:24:11
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Message Number 6670
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Getting old Jonboy?
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From: THE SPECIALIST
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To: TURTLE
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Subject: Really Immoral
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Date & Time: 07/22/90 22:46:03
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Message Number 6671
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I can't help it...I have to agree with you once again.... Your reply to
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JonBoy about the bumper sticker ban having no direct impact on society
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was eloquent and well spoken. Do you often think out things like this
|
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this easily?
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From: THE SPECIALIST
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To: TURTLE
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Subject: Bias in bias
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Date & Time: 07/22/90 22:51:55
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Message Number 6672
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T> ...Are you equally biased against female homosexuality...?
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You bet your ass. I think that is perverse, too. Just because I used
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'Man on Man' doesn't mean that doesn't apply to 'butch on butch'.
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Hmmm...why would you ask me that? I get the feeling that I am being
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backed into a logical corner.
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From: THE SPECIALIST
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To: TURTLE
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Subject: Moral/Relavancy
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Date & Time: 07/22/90 22:56:09
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Message Number 6673
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Morality is determined by both worldwide opinion and local opinion.
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While worldwide opinion may say that killing is immoral, local opinion
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will override that simply because the local opinion is what counts.
|
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"When in Rome..." and all that.
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In a like way, perverse is also a matter of opinion. In Bummfuck,
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Nebraska, I would be willing to bet that if you took a poll,
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homoperversity would not be very popular, and therefore would probably
|
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be considered VERY perverse. On the other hand, if you took a poll
|
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in San Fagsisco, you would probably get a very different result, and
|
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probably it would not be considered very perverse. (With all the fags
|
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that live there, it would probably be considered the NORM.)
|
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Now just because it was considered the norm there doesn't mean that
|
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it can be considered the norm everywhere, and I
|
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would like to point out that ther eare a lot of open minded people
|
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on this board and a lot of others. (Usually people who are in the
|
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computer community are slightly more intelligent and therefore given
|
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to being more open minded.) Just because you find a lot of support here
|
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does NOT mean that you will find as many people out there int he
|
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real world who support it.
|
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So, my point is this...perverse is a matter of opinion. The more
|
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people who hold an opinion, the more "right" that opinion becomes. If
|
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Hitler had won the war, what would we all think of Jews right NOW?
|
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We might not even have to worry about it, but that's the way we
|
|||
|
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would think...the fact that we won was the only thing which makes us
|
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realize that he was 'wrong'.
|
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I'm trying to reiterate a point that I don't know how to get across...
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From: THE SPECIALIST
|
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To: BEATLE
|
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Subject: standards
|
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Date & Time: 07/22/90 23:24:38
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Message Number 6674
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B>Ever consider that because people like you don't accept homosexuals,
|
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B>they are afraid to say that they are gay, and this causes a shortage o
|
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|
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B>people to have monogamous relationships with?
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B>Just a thought.
|
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And a scary one. But dubious. And moot, since they for all practical
|
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|
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purposes, don't exist. You are speculating.
|
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|
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And, ok. But my hypocracy was not the issue. We could make that the
|
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issue, but it doesn't matter, since I will just admit it. The thing
|
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|
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was that there was a discrepancy between what Max advocates and what he
|
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didn't. He criticized a hetro for something common among homos.
|
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|
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People who are friends with "People who live in glass houses..." and
|
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all that.
|
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|
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(I wonder when I'll run out of tired cliche's?)
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From: THE SPECIALIST
|
|||
|
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To: BEATLE
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Moral/Relavancy
|
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|
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Date & Time: 07/22/90 23:32:52
|
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Message Number 6675
|
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|
|
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TS>>...rape and molestation are not NORMAL.
|
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|
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|
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B>...you have to convince others that being gay is not normal,...
|
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|
|||
|
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Not too many people. I would be willing to bet that there are more
|
|||
|
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people out there than anyone here thinks who believe that homoperversity
|
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|
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is not normal.
|
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"open" = "weak"
|
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From: RUFUS
|
|||
|
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To: BEATLE
|
|||
|
|
Subject: expotech
|
|||
|
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Date & Time: 07/22/90 23:56:34
|
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|
Message Number 6676
|
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|
|||
|
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Whooaaaa boy, a two-day business show. I dunno if I can handle the
|
|||
|
|
excitment, but sure I'd like to go. We can always harass Amelia Hudson
|
|||
|
|
and get some of those neat free pens. I'll consult w/ Ken Ober. I need
|
|||
|
|
to come up to Bradenton anyways to return issue three of "Invaders from
|
|||
|
|
Home." They did my file from last week when I had already gotten my
|
|||
|
|
stuff and I didn't look at the cover until I got home. Grrr...
|
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|
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|
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|
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From: RUFUS
|
|||
|
|
To: JONBOY
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Calling...
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/22/90 23:58:44
|
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|
|
Message Number 6677
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
So far, three people besides Turtle and I have gotten stuff from the
|
|||
|
|
box. I just hope I get it all back sometime. :)
|
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|
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|
|||
|
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From: RUFUS
|
|||
|
|
To: JONBOY
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Really annoying
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/23/90 00:09:47
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6678
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
>Whatever happened to getting a job so you could earn money for a bike
|
|||
|
|
>or car?
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
For Beatle, getting a job would be real hard unless he had a form of
|
|||
|
|
transportation. The only places withing walking distance are the
|
|||
|
|
Post Office and the Site (gas/mini-mart), and I doubt either one would
|
|||
|
|
hire him. On the other points, he'll have to answer...
|
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|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: TURTLE
|
|||
|
|
To: MAX
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Stuff
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/23/90 00:47:35
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6680
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
>...I'd rather pick the mellow cat than the balding fat guy with the
|
|||
|
|
>cigar...
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Like you've really got a problem. How'd /you/ like to be associated with
|
|||
|
|
a hyperactive reptile with a short attention span?
|
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|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: TURTLE
|
|||
|
|
To: RUFUS
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Polar bear
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/23/90 00:50:03
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6681
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
You had a polar bear stir fry and didn't invite me??? Rufus, that's
|
|||
|
|
twice in a row now! See if I invite you over to share some of our
|
|||
|
|
mountain lion next week.
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: TURTLE
|
|||
|
|
To: JONBOY
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Algorithms
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/23/90 00:58:09
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6682
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
That algorythm for Judgement Day is truely one of the most amusing
|
|||
|
|
things I have ever seen. It does lead rise to the interesting question,
|
|||
|
|
though: Do angels ever sing anything /but/ the Messiah?
|
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|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: TURTLE
|
|||
|
|
To: JONBOY
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Algorithms
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/23/90 00:59:17
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6683
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
By the way, I do know how to spell "algorithm." I simply have a moral
|
|||
|
|
objection to the conventional spelling.
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: TURTLE
|
|||
|
|
To: JONBOY
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Pop Quiz
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/23/90 01:00:34
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6684
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Okay, okay, you can't throw a ball in the air on an airless world.
|
|||
|
|
Let me restate: You throw a ball upward, away from the center of mass of
|
|||
|
|
the world you're standing on.
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: TURTLE
|
|||
|
|
To: JONBOY
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Society & You
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/23/90 01:02:01
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6685
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
>I tend to look at things like this as an indicator of society as a
|
|||
|
|
>whole...bottom line is I feel society is going in the wrong direction.
|
|||
|
|
>People would rather be rude than polite...
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
That may be so, biut if that's the case then by prohibiting rude bumper
|
|||
|
|
stickers aren't you simply treating the symptoms rather than the
|
|||
|
|
problem? Of all the actions you can possibly take to improve society,
|
|||
|
|
it would seem to me that prohibiting naughty words on bumper stickers
|
|||
|
|
is just about the least effective--not only does that /not/ persuade
|
|||
|
|
people that they WANT to be polite, which is the only way you're likely
|
|||
|
|
to achieve the ends you're looking for, it imbues those particular words
|
|||
|
|
with a sort of power or allure: "Hey, I'm not allowed to use these
|
|||
|
|
words so they must be something pretty special, huh?" No, the bumper
|
|||
|
|
stickers don't serve any particular purpose; bumper stickers in general,
|
|||
|
|
along with designer jeans and a whole host of other modern accessories,
|
|||
|
|
don't serve any particular purpose, Then again, this country wasn't
|
|||
|
|
founded on the ideal of freedom of expression of that which has a
|
|||
|
|
purpose;, just on freedom of /expression,/ and bumper stickers are
|
|||
|
|
undeniably a form of expression.
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: TURTLE
|
|||
|
|
To: JONBOY
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Truth
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/23/90 01:09:39
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6686
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Of COURSE the Bible maintains throughout its entirety that it's the
|
|||
|
|
Word of God--to do otherwise would be fatal. If I'm writing a document
|
|||
|
|
which I want people to accept as the Word of God, I'm going to claim
|
|||
|
|
it's the Word of God regardless of what it actually is. As far as
|
|||
|
|
historical accuracy, let's just say that the record in the Bible is
|
|||
|
|
rather one-sided and somewhat overstated.
|
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|
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|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: TURTLE
|
|||
|
|
To: JONBOY
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Really translit
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/23/90 01:12:30
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6687
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
>Ever see a poster called "The Last Great Act of Defiance"?
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Yes, as a matter of fact. Not the same thing. If I'm going to worship
|
|||
|
|
a being that claims to be the essence of love, then I expect it to
|
|||
|
|
behave according to those standards. I would not follow a political
|
|||
|
|
figure who participated in wid-scale torture or genocide, even if that
|
|||
|
|
person were to threaten me with execution; I would not participate in
|
|||
|
|
an institution that practiced torture or murder, even if I could argue
|
|||
|
|
that I was "just following orders." I feel that the deliberate,
|
|||
|
|
everlasting torture of sapient beings is wrong, plain and simple. I
|
|||
|
|
won't worship a divinity that does it.
|
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|
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|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: TURTLE
|
|||
|
|
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Really easy
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/23/90 01:18:13
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6688
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
>Do you often think out things like this this easily?
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Naah, I simply make it /look/ easy. You know, if we keep agreeing with
|
|||
|
|
one another people are going to get the wrong idea...
|
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|
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|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: TURTLE
|
|||
|
|
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Bias in bias
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/23/90 01:19:35
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6689
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
>...why would you ask me that?
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I've met quite a few people (all of them men, not surprisingly) who
|
|||
|
|
believe very strongly that male homosexuality is wrong, despicable,
|
|||
|
|
evil, etc, etc, but who see absolutely nothing whatsoever wrong with
|
|||
|
|
female homosexuality (or bisexuality). I simply wondered if you were
|
|||
|
|
one of them, that's all.
|
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|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: TURTLE
|
|||
|
|
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Moral/Popular
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/23/90 01:22:16
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6690
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Are you saying, then, that if worldwide opinion were suddenly to
|
|||
|
|
shift in favor of accepting homosexuality as morally acceptable, you
|
|||
|
|
would no longer find it unacceptable? That seems to be a kind of
|
|||
|
|
strange view of morality; personally, I've never trusted the majority to
|
|||
|
|
be able to decide on a president, much less something as complex as
|
|||
|
|
a code of morality. The herd instinct seems like kind of a questionable
|
|||
|
|
way to resolve complex or difficult problems. Of course, I could also as
|
|||
|
|
what gives the majority the right (rather than the ability) to force
|
|||
|
|
its views on the minority; if the majority would suddenly to start
|
|||
|
|
making decisions about something equally as trivial as sexual prefer-
|
|||
|
|
ence, like, say, food preference (eating eggplant is simply beyond the
|
|||
|
|
pale!), would /it/ become MORALLY wrong???
|
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|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
From: TURTLE
|
|||
|
|
To: THE SPECIALIST
|
|||
|
|
Subject: standards
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/23/90 01:28:44
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6691
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
>He criticised a hetero for something common among homos.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
And criticises homos for it, too. The distinction here is that he is
|
|||
|
|
not criticising heterosexuals for BEING heterosexuals, he's criticising
|
|||
|
|
them for a lack of faith. Likewise, he's not criticising gays because
|
|||
|
|
they are homosexuals, but because they are behaving in an unfaithful
|
|||
|
|
fashion. Kind of like the difference between condemning a black because
|
|||
|
|
he's black and condemning a black because he's just murdered sixty-two
|
|||
|
|
people with an assault rifle and a potato peeler.
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: RUFUS
|
|||
|
|
To: TURTLE
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Polar bear
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/23/90 03:13:13
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6692
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Hey, I'm having BBQ polar bear ribs next week and your all invited.
|
|||
|
|
Maybe I'll make some Bambi Burgers, now those would be tasty.
|
|||
|
|
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|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From: THRUD
|
|||
|
|
To: RUFUS
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Polar bear
|
|||
|
|
Date & Time: 07/23/90 06:44:00
|
|||
|
|
Message Number 6693
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Methinks thee doth grow overhumorous with your sick, cannibalistic
|
|||
|
|
tendencies. Polar bears are people too, ya know. How'd ya like to
|
|||
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have 800 kilos of snowy white fur on your chest, anyway?
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The business shows I've been to have been 90% BS, but I like to check
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out some of the new toys and hardware I've read about, and should be
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able to afford in about ten years. Also the snack bar at Robarts
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has great pickled herring, which Gjolp loves.
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From: XTEVE
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To: ALL
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Subject: EPSON$
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Date & Time: 07/23/90 12:26:48
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Message Number 6695
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Howdy, I'm looking to acquire (buy) an epson printer to use with and old
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CAD program which sticks up its nose at my okidata 182. Does anyone
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have a nine pin (or a 24 pin!) which they are looking to sell?
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.
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Also does anyone know where to get enhancement software for an Epson so
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I can get slow and beautiful resolution??
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.
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OR, does anyone know how to set dip switches on my Oki so the software
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thinks it has an Epson...?
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thanks for replying......Xteve
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From: SNAKEBYTE
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To: THE SPECIALIST
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Subject: HD
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Date & Time: 07/23/90 12:46:17
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Message Number 6696
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Sorry for the long delay in getting back. I've been trying to get onto
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ar for about a week or so with no luck. Found an old Racal-Vadic Modem
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in with some cables at work and rigged it to work (supposed to be an
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answer only unit, but 'not anymore'). So now I can screw around at break
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and lunch, too. Oh yeah, back to the HD. It came out of an AT compatible
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DELL system used for AutoCAD if that helps. And I desire to put it in
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a 286-12 at home. Ooooops, yup, the seal has been broken and <oooooooh>
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it has seen REAL air for about 5 seconds to please a friends curiosity
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about the heads mechanically functioning. I'm in Bradenton, too. Very
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east Bradenton.
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From: TREE BEARD
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To: JONBOY
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Subject: express
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Date & Time: 07/23/90 14:49:26
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Message Number 6699
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No good arguements??? What is this world coming too? Well, it has been
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3 weeks since I quit so, there should be no physical craving, and ther
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is certainly fiscal benefits... But how I do love to smoke! But I am
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Man, I am Steel, I am a wimp for anything to much on. I stick with it,
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even though I gain a pound a week (an exageration I hope!)...
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A Supreme Court filled with conservitive judges... Run for the
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hills! A liberal a day helps keep commies at bay (any communist people
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out there, I was just kidden and did not mean to be bigoted) But
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really, The Supreme Court Needs to be balanced! They determine our
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constitution, our lives.
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Tree
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From: THE SPECIALIST
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To: MAX
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Subject: relationships
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Date & Time: 07/23/90 17:31:56
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Message Number 6700
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M>...beyond the obvious fact that it's deviant from society's norm.
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Thank you. That was all I needed to hear. I am sure that there are
|
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good people out there who are fags, In the way of generally being
|
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just helpful and easy to get a long with over all "good guys."
|
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I don't understand how you can say that a mental defect MUST manifest
|
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itself in another way besides the most obvious. I'm sure that there
|
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are genuine loonys out there who are really nice people...until thier
|
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"symptom" manifests itself.
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And true, homosexuality has no victims to speak of (unless you count
|
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AIDS victims, but I'm not), but that doesn't mean that it isn't
|
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perverse! I believe that you gave a pretty good definition for
|
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perverse above. "Deviant from society's norm."
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