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88029 18-JUN 11:44 General Information
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RE: Survey (Re: Msg 87931)
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From: WRHAMBLEN To: REVWCP
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f3f3f3f3f3f3f3f3f3f3f3f3f3 Jeremy,
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1. Name: William R. Hamblen
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2. Current age: 45.7 years
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3. Age at which you got started on the CoCo: never had a CoCo, but got a
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Tano Dragon (a CoCo clone) back when California Digital was selling them
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at $29 apiece.
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4. Age at which you got started with OS9: 41 years
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5. Did you have formal programming training? Took a FORTRAN course
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in college about 1968.
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88030 18-JUN 12:05 General Information
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RE: Survey (Re: Msg 87931)
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From: PHILSCHERER To: REVWCP
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Hi Br. Jeremy;
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1) Phil Scherer
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2) age 53
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3) Started Coco at 47
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4) Started OS9 at 48
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5) Learned to program C at home
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Hope this helps.
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<Phil>
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88036 18-JUN 15:22 General Information
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RE: Survey (Re: Msg 87931)
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From: NEALSTEWARD To: REVWCP
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I'm not as ancient as you, but I'm creeping up there at 35. I started
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with an MC-10 in 1982. I bought my first coco2 about a year later. Joined
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the Erie County Color Computer Club a month after that, which I am still a
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member. I bought OS-9 level one when the price was first discounted about
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1985 or so and have been using it ever since. I took APL and Fortran in
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high shool, and "structured" BASIC in college. I hope this fills your
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need for info...
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88046 18-JUN 19:42 General Information
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RE: Survey (Re: Msg 87931)
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From: DBREEDING To: REVWCP
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> 1. Name. - David Breeding
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> 2. Current age. - 44
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> 3. Age at which you got started on the COCO. - 32 (I think)
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> 4. Age at which you got started with OS9. - 34
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> 5. Did you have formal programming training? - No
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051
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Delphi : DBREEDING
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*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
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^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
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88066 19-JUN 14:09 General Information
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RE: Survey (Re: Msg 87931)
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From: MROWEN01 To: REVWCP
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1. Mike Rowen
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2.Ageage 19. I upgraded to a Coco 3 in 1989 at age 24.
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4. I first started with OS/9 Level I on the Coco II in 1985 at the age of 21. I
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upgraded to OS/9 Level II in 1989 at age 24.
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5. I started electronics when I was 10. When I was 14 my father bought a shiny
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new TRS-80 Model I with level II basic and 16k. We even got the numeric
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keypad!. I learned basic on this machine as well as machine code. At 17, I
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entered the Air Force and trained to be a Radar and Inertial Navigation
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systems specialist. This involved automated test equipment that used a UNIX
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like operating system. I now work for Electronic Data Systems as a
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Communications Engineer. Everything I've learned with EDS has been self
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taught. I learned UNIX in 1985 while working with a Sun Microsystems 2/150.
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My work with OS-9 Level I made learning UNIX a breeze. I now perform systems
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administration for a network of Ultrix and AIX based systems.
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Hope this isn't to wordy :)
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-Mike
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88089 19-JUN 21:52 General Information
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RE: Survey (Re: Msg 87931)
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From: LUCKYONE To: REVWCP
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Hi,
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my name is Howard Luckey and I am 68 years old. I started using a CoCo2
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sometime in my late fifties and started using OS-9 two to three years after
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getting my first CoCo (I don't keep track of time that well.). Since then
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I have moved to the CoCo3, and the MM/1a, my present system. When I got my
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first CoCo I never had any formal programming training, howerver, since then
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I have taken some computer courses including programming courses.
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Howard
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Howard Luckey
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delphi LUCKYONE
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CIS 74746,3207
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********** By InfoXpress 1.01 **********
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88145 22-JUN 10:03 General Information
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RE: Survey (Re: Msg 87931)
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From: JMOORFOOT To: REVWCP
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1 John Moorfoot
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5 Yes. I have a BSc in Computer Science & EDP.
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88148 22-JUN 20:01 General Information
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RE: Survey (Re: Msg 87931)
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From: LARRYOLSON To: REVWCP
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I hope its not too late...
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1. Larry Olson
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2. 45
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3. 35
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5. No formal training
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----- Larry Olson -----
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88151 22-JUN 23:31 General Information
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RE: Survey (Re: Msg 87931)
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From: REVKAK To: REVWCP
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1. Keith Kounovsky
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2. 41
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3. 37
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4. 37
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5. Only formal training was in engineering school using
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Fortran on an IBM card batch machine.
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88155 23-JUN 00:36 General Information
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RE: Survey (Re: Msg 87931)
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From: DWHILL To: REVWCP
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Br. Jeremy:
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1. Damon Hill
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2. 43
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3. 33
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4. 35 (Level 1) 37 (Level II)
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5. No formal training, first played with Basic on a minicomputer in the late
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70's.
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--Damon
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88170 23-JUN 20:52 General Information
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RE: Survey (Re: Msg 87931)
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From: JOEGERBER To: REVWCP
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BROTHER JEREMY,
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1. JOE GERBER
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2. 24
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3. 14 (YE OLDE 16K CC2)
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4. 21
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5. SOME--FORTRAN AND PASCAL I, AND USING FORTRAN TO DO MATH FUNCTIONS
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JOE
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88174 23-JUN 22:15 General Information
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RE: Survey (Re: Msg 87931)
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From: TEDJAEGER To: REVWCP
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1. Name: Ted Jaeger
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2. Current age: 43
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3. Age when starting CoCo: 32 years
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4. Age when starting OS9: 34 years
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5. No formal computer training
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Bests
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---TedJaeger
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88225 26-JUN 13:16 General Information
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RE: Survey (Re: Msg 87931)
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From: EMTWO To: REVWCP
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Paul M. Fitch Jr., currently 30. I bought my First Coco I in 1982. Got my Coco
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3 in 1986, and started OS9 at about the same time as Level 2 came out. I have
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had a fortran class, part of my E.E. degree, but that occured almost 8 years
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after I got my first
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End of Thread.
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88031 18-JUN 13:03 OSK Applications
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new MM/1 products
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From: NIMITZ To: ALL
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Well, this is it! I just got a call that the boards for my 2nd MM/1 sale
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have arrived. I'm waiting on a hard drive and 5 1/4 inch floppy now, and
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I'll ship this machine. The proceeds for this sale will be enough to break
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loose my I/O board production and we'll be back on track! Still some
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learning ahead - and it will take some time to get up to as fast as I'd like,
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but we are moving!! Thanks Mark Griffith!!!!
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David M. Graham
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BlackHawk Enterprises, Inc.
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88094 19-JUN 22:35 OSK Applications
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RE: new MM/1 products (Re: Msg 88031)
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From: LUCKYONE To: NIMITZ
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> Well, this is it! I just got a call that the boards for my 2nd MM/1 sale
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> have arrived. I'm waiting on a hard drive and 5 1/4 inch floppy now, and
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> I'll ship this machine. The proceeds for this sale will be enough to
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> break loose my I/O board production and we'll be back on track! Still
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> some learning ahead - and it will take some time to get up to as fast as
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> I'd like, but we are moving!! Thanks Mark Griffith!!!!
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> David M. Graham
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> BlackHawk Enterprises, Inc.
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David, Great news. I'm glad to hear that things are moving.
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By the way as long as I am here I'd like to know how much it would take to
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upgrade BGFX. I have version 1.0. Please send me a copy and a bill, and
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and include any new documentation, also. Or let me know the price and I will
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send the money.
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Howard
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Howard Luckey
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delphi LUCKYONE
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CIS 74746,3207
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********** By InfoXpress 1.01 **********
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End of Thread.
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88032 18-JUN 14:56 General Information
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RE: Sony Service Anecdote (Re: Msg 88012)
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From: MARTYGOODMAN To: CLTUCKER
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Just one thing occurs to me... my guess would be that this
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"Sony" drive may be some other, standard drive that Sony has
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In any case... before you jettison a drive that may be
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you may want to try the following:
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Tell your format or setup software that this is a 20 megabyte drive,
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with 4 heads and 612 cylindars. For almost ANY MFM drive can
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be formatted AS IF it is such a drive (provided it IS 20 megs or bigger).
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Er... this IS an MFM drive, no? It has a 34 pin and a 20 pin
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connector on it?
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(Of course, with that configuration, it COULD be also an RLL drive,
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which is not important, for all RLL drives can be formatted as if
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they are MFM drive, and it also COULD be an ESDI drive, which would
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cause problems, for ESDI drives require an ESDI controller.)
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---marty
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88054 18-JUN 23:01 General Information
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RE: Sony Service Anecdote (Re: Msg 88032)
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From: CLTUCKER To: MARTYGOODMAN
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Hi Marty. I have no format or setupsoftware for the Sony HD. It has a 50 pin
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and 6 pin connector. It is SCSI. I sent it to you for 'posterity'. I
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don't have a HD yet but am trying to locate one that will work without
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lots of details. One for the COCO3. Am working from scratch.(g)
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CLT
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88077 19-JUN 16:29 General Information
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RE: Sony Service Anecdote (Re: Msg 88054)
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From: MITHELEN To: CLTUCKER
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The 6 pin "connector" is probably a jumper block. 3 pairs most likely set the
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SCSI ID number (binary setting), The other three probably control other
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options, such as parity enable, moter start mode, and maybe termination power.
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Tis stuff is pretty standard on SCSI drives. If you knew someone with a MM/1
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or a DOS machne, they would be able to format it without the need to know
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the other parameters.
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--
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88081 19-JUN 17:01 General Information
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RE: Sony Service Anecdote (Re: Msg 88077)
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From: CLTUCKER To: MITHELEN
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Hi Paul. The Sony has a 50,6 and 4 pin conn. The 4 pin conn pins are
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heavy duty like maybe maybe power pin. It says Sony on the drive
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but in front there is a red apple with a byte out of it. In the center
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of that apple is says "40", like 40 meg.(g)
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THks. CLT
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88095 19-JUN 22:35 General Information
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RE: Sony Service Anecdote (Re: Msg 88081)
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From: COCOKIWI To: CLTUCKER
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sounds like a MAC drive!<grin> THE 4 pin is the POWER.....the 50 is the Main
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88097 19-JUN 23:05 General Information
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RE: Sony Service Anecdote (Re: Msg 88095)
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From: CLTUCKER To: COCOKIWI
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Hi Dennis. Will the Mac HD go with the COCO3? Just wondering. (g)
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CLT
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88109 20-JUN 21:23 General Information
|
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RE: Sony Service Anecdote (Re: Msg 88054)
|
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From: MARTYGOODMAN To: CLTUCKER
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|
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OK... I'll try to use it when I start experimenting with SCSI systems
|
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|
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on PC compatibles, to help me teach myself how to set such things up.
|
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|
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|
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thanks much!
|
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---marty
|
|||
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88120 21-JUN 01:44 General Information
|
|||
|
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RE: Sony Service Anecdote (Re: Msg 88097)
|
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|
|
From: COCOKIWI To: CLTUCKER
|
|||
|
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|||
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who knows!<grin> if the SCSI controller will talk to it,it should work fine!
|
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and if they have not screwed around with the electronics to make it a little
|
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DIFFERENT!
|
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Dennis
|
|||
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88146 22-JUN 10:17 General Information
|
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RE: Sony Service Anecdote (Re: Msg 87939)
|
|||
|
|
From: JMOORFOOT To: MARTYGOODMAN
|
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The SRD2040A is a forty meg SCSI drive. They were commonly used in Macs.
|
|||
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They are diney aSyret PC board is full of Sony custom chips..
|
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I have 5ll ufering from stiction.
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John
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88147 22-JUN 10:28 General Information
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|||
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RE: Sony Service Anecdote (Re: Msg 88146)
|
|||
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|
From: JMOORFOOT To: MARTYGOODMAN
|
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|||
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Sorry about the corruptions in the previous posting - Delphi's Internet
|
|||
|
|
feed is a bit sus... The 2nd & 3rd lines are:
|
|||
|
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They are definately made by Sony. The PC board is full of Sony custom chips.
|
|||
|
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I have 4 or 5 all suffering from stiction.
|
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(This has taken about 5 mins to type in).
|
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John
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|||
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|
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-*-
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88159 23-JUN 01:06 General Information
|
|||
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RE: Sony Service Anecdote (Re: Msg 88146)
|
|||
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From: MARTYGOODMAN To: JMOORFOOT (NR)
|
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|
|||
|
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You might want to ask that the drive be sent to you... you have
|
|||
|
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more use for it than it, it would seem.
|
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|
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|
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---marty
|
|||
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88160 23-JUN 01:07 General Information
|
|||
|
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RE: Sony Service Anecdote (Re: Msg 88147)
|
|||
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|
From: MARTYGOODMAN To: JMOORFOOT (NR)
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
Sorry that you are getting such poor system performance.
|
|||
|
|
For what it is worth, I USUALLY get pretty solid connection, with
|
|||
|
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pretty good responsiveness, when I connect to Delphi using a local
|
|||
|
|
TYMNET node.
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|||
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|
|||
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|
---marty
|
|||
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|
-*-
|
|||
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|
End of Thread.
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|
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|
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|
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|
88033 18-JUN 14:56 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: modem (Re: Msg 88015)
|
|||
|
|
From: MARTYGOODMAN To: JBMANNING
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Great! Glad the transaction worked out.
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
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---marty
|
|||
|
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|
|||
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-*-
|
|||
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|
|||
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|
88034 18-JUN 14:59 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: Nitros9 joystick! (Re: Msg 88021)
|
|||
|
|
From: CHARLESAM To: VE3DAC
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Here is some more info so you don't have to ask. 1.- I tried different
|
|||
|
|
joysticks, same result. 2.- If I boot without nitros9(old boot) but with
|
|||
|
|
nitros9 upgraded grfdrv, no problem there, works without a problem and
|
|||
|
|
the grfdrv upgrade is much faster then stock. 3.- I tried many cc3io
|
|||
|
|
modules that match nv115data and no good. 4.- All this is in low-res
|
|||
|
|
joystick. I haven't got to the the hi-res yet, but will try that when
|
|||
|
|
I can locate(this table is a mess right now) my hi-res adaptor. I'm
|
|||
|
|
using standard joystick ports(not serial) and problem is same L or R.
|
|||
|
|
5.- Problem exists all games, klondike, shanghai, smash.
|
|||
|
|
If you don't have these problems in lo-res joystick, what versions
|
|||
|
|
of CC3IO/GRFDRV did you start with? And where did you get them? What
|
|||
|
|
I can't understand is where the nitros9 modules listed are obtained.
|
|||
|
|
Okay, I have found a few but most of what I have and could obtain, they
|
|||
|
|
don't match the sheet(Nitros9 printout). I have converted all modules
|
|||
|
|
in my boot by using mostly original(tandy) modules. This has now
|
|||
|
|
become an obsession with me. I really hate when this happens because
|
|||
|
|
I won't do any other work until its solved. I'm a real sicky that way.
|
|||
|
|
Tenacious is one word and stubborn. I think that is the correct spelling.
|
|||
|
|
Thanx much for trying to help. Charlie
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88039 18-JUN 15:58 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: Nitros9 joystick! (Re: Msg 88034)
|
|||
|
|
From: VE3DAC To: CHARLESAM
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Well I tried a few games last night and had no problems. I don't have
|
|||
|
|
Klondike, is that the commercial Solitaire from Color Systems? At any
|
|||
|
|
rate, some games used Low res joysticks, others were high res mouse. As
|
|||
|
|
a final check I started up Multivue and sure enough the cursor arrow jumped
|
|||
|
|
off the screen when I got close to the right side of the screen. However
|
|||
|
|
even tho I couldn't see the cursor, clicking the mouse at top and bottom
|
|||
|
|
of the screen did scroll through the pages of icons in some directories
|
|||
|
|
I didn't have any games, including mahjongg, which required me to have the
|
|||
|
|
cursor close to the screen right side, so Mvue was the only screeen where I
|
|||
|
|
had a cursor problem.
|
|||
|
|
When I made all the Nitro 1.15 modules, I got the exact CRC values that
|
|||
|
|
were listed in the docs. When I upgraded to 1.16, again everything jibed.
|
|||
|
|
Hope you get this straightened out before Nitro 1.20 becomes available.
|
|||
|
|
I can give you a list of the crc's but there will be system differences
|
|||
|
|
due to hardware. I'm using a B&B interface, Disto SC2 controller, etc. I'll
|
|||
|
|
read your 2 messages off line again, and perhaps post more if it looks like
|
|||
|
|
it will help
|
|||
|
|
Merv
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88049 18-JUN 20:41 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: Nitros9 joystick! (Re: Msg 88039)
|
|||
|
|
From: CHARLESAM To: VE3DAC
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I'm probably wrong but I believe that the only two modules involved here
|
|||
|
|
are CC3IO/GRFDRV. Even the docs mention possible incompatibilities there.
|
|||
|
|
If you can tell me the modules you used for those two, I'll see if I can
|
|||
|
|
match them. Also, is there any other module responsible for cursor control?
|
|||
|
|
If so, then I can play with that module(s). I'm not very deep in knowledge
|
|||
|
|
here so thats why I ask. I find it hard to believe that I'm the only one
|
|||
|
|
with this particular problem. As I said in my earlier message I used the
|
|||
|
|
stock modules for cc3io/grfdrv. Let me look for my HI-RES interface and
|
|||
|
|
I'll get back after I test that mode. Thanks again, Charlie
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88035 18-JUN 15:04 System Modules (6809)
|
|||
|
|
RE: RAMDISK -New version (Re: Msg 87861)
|
|||
|
|
From: NEALSTEWARD To: WDTV5
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I'll d/l it and give it a try on my system. If it's going to crash, it
|
|||
|
|
will because my computer is real skitzoid! Intermittant problems that
|
|||
|
|
occur for no apparent reason, but seem to pop up when using a RAMdisk.
|
|||
|
|
If it passes here, you have a winner...
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88037 18-JUN 15:40 General Information
|
|||
|
|
Crashed Coco3
|
|||
|
|
From: NEALSTEWARD To: ALL
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I have a 2 meg coco3 with a 6309 installed, an MPI with Disto Super
|
|||
|
|
Controller II, Ken-Ton SCSI interface, Ken-Ton Dual Comm pak and a
|
|||
|
|
2 mHz Speech/Sound pak plugged in, along with 5.25" and 3.5" floppys
|
|||
|
|
and an 85 meg HD. (Catch my breath...) Now the problem is my system
|
|||
|
|
crashes at powerup most of the time. If I plug the floppy controller
|
|||
|
|
in the expansion slot directly the same thing happens. Seems like the
|
|||
|
|
floppy controller? I plug a working tandy (and hard drive specialists)
|
|||
|
|
floppy controller in the exp. slot and they work. If I plug them into
|
|||
|
|
slot 4 of the MPI, they crash the system. If I put the RGBDOS ROM in
|
|||
|
|
the SCSI pak and switch the MPI to slot 3, it boots just fine. Now I
|
|||
|
|
put the ROM back in the SCII and placed it in slot 3 with the SCSI pak
|
|||
|
|
in slot 4. It boots and I have floppy access, however I get spontaneous
|
|||
|
|
system crashes while using this configuration. CAN ANYONE HELP???
|
|||
|
|
I have tried swapping just about every piece of hardward and get
|
|||
|
|
different results every time. Also under ECB without anything in the
|
|||
|
|
exp. slot, I have no ploblems at all. I have recently upgraded to a
|
|||
|
|
1987 GIME and installed a new exp. slot card edge connector, since the
|
|||
|
|
old one was cracked, I thought that would fix the hardware problems.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88050 18-JUN 20:57 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: Crashed Coco3 (Re: Msg 88037)
|
|||
|
|
From: CHARLESAM To: NEALSTEWARD
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Neal, I have almost the same setup. I have my SC-II in slot4(RGB-DOS), my
|
|||
|
|
Kenton HD controller in slot3 and RS232 in slot1. This I was told is standard
|
|||
|
|
configuration
|
|||
|
|
If this doesn't work then someone else will have to bail you out. I know
|
|||
|
|
this is what RGB-DOS expects, it definitely looks for HD in slot3, floppy
|
|||
|
|
in slot4. Good luck Charlie
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88072 19-JUN 15:40 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: Crashed Coco3 (Re: Msg 88037)
|
|||
|
|
From: RICKMAC To: NEALSTEWARD
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
One thing that I just learned by trial<much
|
|||
|
|
Try taking a Q-tip and a get it damp with a little isopropyl alchohol
|
|||
|
|
and clean all the connectors on the card edges of any paks and the
|
|||
|
|
Multi-Pak itself.
|
|||
|
|
I suggest this because I recently had the rs-232 pak drop characters
|
|||
|
|
after I had removed it and re-plugged it in. Drove me buggy until I
|
|||
|
|
cleaned the edge connectors using the above procedure.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Hope this helps. Remember, you don't want to get the q-tip soaked,
|
|||
|
|
just enough to clean the connectors.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88111 20-JUN 21:45 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: Crashed Coco3 (Re: Msg 88050)
|
|||
|
|
From: NEALSTEWARD To: CHARLESAM
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Thanks Charlie, but thats the way I've run it for years. It seems the
|
|||
|
|
problem is more recent, but I think it began to get flaky BEFORE I
|
|||
|
|
installed the socket for the 6309. There just seems to be a sudden
|
|||
|
|
compatibility problem between the SCII and slot 4 of the MPI and the
|
|||
|
|
SCII and the expansion slot. SCIII works fine in other systems and IS
|
|||
|
|
working in slot 3 of the MPI (go figure???)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88112 20-JUN 21:51 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: Crashed Coco3 (Re: Msg 88072)
|
|||
|
|
From: NEALSTEWARD To: RICKMAC
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I tried cleaning all the connectors and card edges. I used a dry cleaning
|
|||
|
|
solvent like what you'd use for video heads because it doesn't leave any
|
|||
|
|
residue. It is (sort of) working right now using the unusal
|
|||
|
|
unusual configuration I described in my previous message (SCSI in 4, SCII
|
|||
|
|
in 3, SSP in 2 and RS232 in 1), but tends to crash now and then. The
|
|||
|
|
way I ran it for years now CRASHES on power up EVERY time! (ie: SCII in
|
|||
|
|
4 and SCSI in 3) This one has been driving me nuts for months, but it
|
|||
|
|
is probably something so obvious I just overlooked it.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88113 20-JUN 21:55 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: Crashed Coco3 (Re: Msg 88111)
|
|||
|
|
From: CHARLESAM To: NEALSTEWARD (NR)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
If it works, go with it. I hate when something that never gave me a problem
|
|||
|
|
starts acting up. Sometimes its something simple I overlooked. Most of the
|
|||
|
|
time it costs me $$ cause something died. Good luck! Charlie
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88122 21-JUN 01:58 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: Crashed Coco3 (Re: Msg 88112)
|
|||
|
|
From: COCOKIWI To: NEALSTEWARD (NR)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
sounds like a bad connector,related only to the SC II in Slot 4...if the
|
|||
|
|
thing is marginal that will happen! Mine do sometimes,and I have to resocket
|
|||
|
|
things!
|
|||
|
|
Dennis
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88173 23-JUN 22:15 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: Crashed Coco3 (Re: Msg 88037)
|
|||
|
|
From: TEDJAEGER To: NEALSTEWARD (NR)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I understand there is an incompatibility between the KenTon HD
|
|||
|
|
interface and the SC II.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Bests
|
|||
|
|
---TedJaeger
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88224 26-JUN 11:50 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: Crashed Coco3 (Re: Msg 88112)
|
|||
|
|
From: RICKMAC To: NEALSTEWARD (NR)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
How long has this system given you problems. You said you replaced the
|
|||
|
|
exp.slot connector because it was cracked...how did it get cracked?
|
|||
|
|
Did it maybe damage a card that was plugged in at the time? Stop, take
|
|||
|
|
a breath and take everything one step at a time(make only ONE change)
|
|||
|
|
and see if it works. This way you may eleiminate the problem.
|
|||
|
|
If I'm stating the obvious, 'scuse me. I know when my system acts up
|
|||
|
|
it drives me buggy and I just have to back off for awhile to clear my head.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88038 18-JUN 15:45 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: nitro/lha (Re: Msg 88028)
|
|||
|
|
From: VE3DAC To: WDTV5
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Well if you can't tell me where to find the version to '.ipc' then I'll have to
|
|||
|
|
wait. It doesn't seem to be what I show as the 1.15 version. I didn't have
|
|||
|
|
Nitro before 1.15 so I don't know if Ed 31 of RBF existed before that.
|
|||
|
|
I know it will be a bit of work, but could you compare the RBF module that
|
|||
|
|
I have from 1.15 CRC FA84C1 size 12AE, with what you say is needed for your
|
|||
|
|
.ipc file? Perhaps a new .ipc file for what came with Nitro 1.15 could be
|
|||
|
|
uploaded.
|
|||
|
|
I think we have to keep your nose to the grindstone!!!!!
|
|||
|
|
TTFN
|
|||
|
|
Merv
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88064 19-JUN 12:04 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: nitro/lha (Re: Msg 88038)
|
|||
|
|
From: WDTV5 To: VE3DAC
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Check your mailbox Merv, there is a new one there, based on edition #28,
|
|||
|
|
which s/b the distribution disk version (crossing fingers & toes, I hate
|
|||
|
|
it when there are so many versions of a module floating around).
|
|||
|
|
Cheers - Gene
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88104 20-JUN 19:10 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: nitro/lha (Re: Msg 88064)
|
|||
|
|
From: DSRTFOX To: WDTV5
|
|||
|
|
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Gene, I downloaded LHA2.11c from the new uploads section. I keep getting CRC
|
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errors on the "lzh" file. Downloaded this big package twice!! Same problem.
|
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I need an lzh exploder NOW! The older version won't explode the DISKCAT package.
|
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Well, it does, but EVERY MODULE from the package ends up with CRC errors!
|
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Could you just send me the "lzh" file in mail? Would appreciate it! I'm NOT
|
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running a 6309, plain 6809 and ShellPlus.
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88105 20-JUN 19:29 General Information
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RE: nitro/lha (Re: Msg 88104)
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From: MITHELEN To: DSRTFOX (NR)
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You _could_ download the AR version of the archive. That is why I ammended
|
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the submission so there was also an AR format archive. BTQW, where you using
|
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the old version of lha, or trying to use lzh to extract the archive. lzh is
|
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"broken" and can't handle standard .lzh archives.
|
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--
|
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Paul
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88107 20-JUN 21:04 General Information
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RE: nitro/lha (Re: Msg 88104)
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From: JRUPPEL To: DSRTFOX (NR)
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I had trouble bringing down the file, too, Frank. I finallyfound a quiet
|
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afternoon and pulled the "ar" version down and reinflated that. I'm not sure
|
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what the
|
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problem is, but I think that some of the code, if it is read by the terminal
|
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program, sees something it doesn't like and shuts down. I finally ran my buffer
|
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up to 40k and pulled it down with Supercomm. Try that, if you have the patience
|
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left to sit through another 90 block trnasfer <G>
|
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John Ruppel
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CocoNuts in Lansing
|
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-*-
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88125 21-JUN 04:16 General Information
|
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RE: nitro/lha (Re: Msg 88104)
|
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From: WDTV5 To: DSRTFOX (NR)
|
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|
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You say its DiskCat that won't unarc? I didn't get it myself, but it sounds
|
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to me like it was put together with Matts "lzh". Thats the typical result
|
|||
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of trying to use lha to undo one of those files. DiskCat btw isn't mine.
|
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Sorry, hope it works, Gene
|
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88131 21-JUN 20:39 General Information
|
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RE: nitro/lha (Re: Msg 88125)
|
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From: JRUPPEL To: WDTV5
|
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|
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|
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I found that if I use the -F (fix) option with lha, I can repair/rewrite the
|
|||
|
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headers so that lha will extract them. I just did it last night with an old
|
|||
|
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.lzh file that I hadn't looked at in a while. It took a little time, but it
|
|||
|
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made it readable in the new lha format. I tried to extract the file, and the
|
|||
|
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program suggested (!) I try that! Imagine my surprise! A program that actually
|
|||
|
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offers suggestions to solve my problems!
|
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|
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John Ruppel
|
|||
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CocoNuts in Lansing
|
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-*-
|
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88153 23-JUN 00:19 General Information
|
|||
|
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RE: nitro/lha (Re: Msg 88131)
|
|||
|
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From: WDTV5 To: JRUPPEL
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
-F eh, I'll have to remember that. Gets hard as the years add up though :)
|
|||
|
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Cheers, Gene
|
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|
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-*-
|
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|
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|
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88185 24-JUN 21:16 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: nitro/lha (Re: Msg 87797)
|
|||
|
|
From: JEVESTAL To: WDTV5
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
> See what did I tell ya, a mind is a terrible thing to lose! Yer right of
|
|||
|
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> course, up till a couple of days ago it was 2.11b, but if you check the
|
|||
|
|
> 11c.lzh available. Humm, diddly Amiga
|
|||
|
|
> doesn't seem to wanna make the underscore char, shoulda been 2 of them
|
|||
|
|
> in that name! Lemme try again, lha_2_11c.lzh. Must have been my used to
|
|||
|
|
> coco keyboard fingers. Gotta blame it on sump'in!. Cheers, Gene
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
After I posted the reply to your message, I found the update in the
|
|||
|
|
new uploads database. Thanks for uploading it.
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
Jim
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
88192 24-JUN 22:33 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: nitro/lha (Re: Msg 88185)
|
|||
|
|
From: WDTV5 To: JEVESTAL
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Hi Jim, thanks for the credits, but thats not mine, its Gene Krenciglowa's
|
|||
|
|
upload. Since we're both named Gene, there is the possibility for a mixup.
|
|||
|
|
Cheers - Gene Heskett
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88040 18-JUN 16:13 Programmers Den
|
|||
|
|
RE: C programming again (Re: Msg 88027)
|
|||
|
|
From: JRUPPEL To: COLORSYSTEMS
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Can you tell me if there is a way to use the RMA in the Program deveoper's
|
|||
|
|
Pak to compile C programs? Someone told me once that there was, but I lost
|
|||
|
|
the message and never really gave t
|
|||
|
|
it a try.
|
|||
|
|
Thanks,
|
|||
|
|
John Ruppel
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88042 18-JUN 16:44 Programmers Den
|
|||
|
|
RE: C programming again (Re: Msg 88026)
|
|||
|
|
From: JEJONES To: ALWAGNER
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Aha! Now I see the source of the confusion!
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
The "pre" and "post" have to do with when the incrementing is done
|
|||
|
|
relative to grabbing the value of the variable as the result of the
|
|||
|
|
expression, not when it's done relative to other statements.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
i = j++;
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
assigns i the value of j and then increments j, while
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
i = ++j;
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
increments j and then assigns i the (changed!) value of j. In either
|
|||
|
|
case, the incrementing has to be done before the processor starts to
|
|||
|
|
execute the next statement, and it isn't done until the processor has
|
|||
|
|
finished executing any previous statements. (In the case of a statement
|
|||
|
|
a little more convoluted than the above examples, there can be "places
|
|||
|
|
by which everything has to have been done" within a single statement,
|
|||
|
|
or as ANSI calls them, "sequence points": function calls, comma
|
|||
|
|
expressions, && and ||, and ?:. But the principle's the same.)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88043 18-JUN 17:44 Programmers Den
|
|||
|
|
RE: C programming again (Re: Msg 88040)
|
|||
|
|
From: COLORSYSTEMS To: JRUPPEL
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
> Can you tell me if there is a way to use the RMA in the Program
|
|||
|
|
> deveoper's Pak to compile C programs? Someone told me once that there was,
|
|||
|
|
> but I lost the message and never really gave it a try.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Go to the libs, the Programmer's Den I think, and download Rick Adams
|
|||
|
|
cc program. It is configurable to use rma and rlink instead of c.asm and
|
|||
|
|
c.link.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
Zack C Sessions
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
They say, "Money talks". But all mine ever says is, "Goodbye".
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88047 18-JUN 19:43 Programmers Den
|
|||
|
|
RE: C programming again (Re: Msg 88040)
|
|||
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: JRUPPEL
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
> Can you tell me if there is a way to use the RMA in the Program
|
|||
|
|
> deveoper's Pak to compile C programs? Someone told me once that there was,
|
|||
|
|
> but I lost the message and never really gave t
|
|||
|
|
> it a try.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
There are several ways:
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
1) rename rma in your cmds directory c.asm. You'll also need to use the
|
|||
|
|
new linker for these files, old linker won't work. Rename rlink c.link.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
2) use a file editor, "ded" is good, and edit "cc1" to look for new names.
|
|||
|
|
find the sequence "c.asm", followed by '0', change to "rma", next char=0.
|
|||
|
|
change "c.link"+0 to "rlink"+0. Don't have to fool with anyth that would
|
|||
|
|
follow.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
3) Get a replacement for "cc1". There are several, many are in source form
|
|||
|
|
where you can compile new "cc" yourself, some already look for new
|
|||
|
|
versions of asm/linker.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Just be sure that you use new linker to link "rma" output. The new linker
|
|||
|
|
CAN link ROF's compiled by old assembler, though.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-- David Breeding --
|
|||
|
|
CompuServe : 72330,2051
|
|||
|
|
Delphi : DBREEDING
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
|
|||
|
|
^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88059 19-JUN 07:28 Programmers Den
|
|||
|
|
RE: C programming again (Re: Msg 88027)
|
|||
|
|
From: ALWAGNER To: COLORSYSTEMS
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I must appologize to all for any confusion I may have been responsible for
|
|||
|
|
causing. Thank you Zack for setting me straight. As I had said I "thought"
|
|||
|
|
I understood for(;;) and ++x vs. x++. One of these days I gottsa learn ta
|
|||
|
|
stop eating shoe leather. Again my appologies and thanks.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88188 24-JUN 21:19 Programmers Den
|
|||
|
|
RE: C programming again (Re: Msg 88042)
|
|||
|
|
From: JEVESTAL To: JEJONES
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
> Aha! Now I see the source of the confusion!
|
|||
|
|
>
|
|||
|
|
> The "pre" and "post" have to do with when the incrementing is done
|
|||
|
|
> relative to grabbing the value of the variable as the result of the
|
|||
|
|
> expression, not when it's done relative to other statements.
|
|||
|
|
>
|
|||
|
|
> i = j++;
|
|||
|
|
>
|
|||
|
|
> assigns i the value of j and then increments j, while
|
|||
|
|
>
|
|||
|
|
> i = ++j;
|
|||
|
|
>
|
|||
|
|
> increments j and then assigns i the (changed!) value of j.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Thanks for explaining this, too avoid such confusions I just
|
|||
|
|
use the old standby j=j+1 when I want to increment j.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Jim
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
======================== InfoXpress 01.01.00 OS-9/6809 ======================
|
|||
|
|
| Narnia BBS: 11pm-7am PDT serving CoCo OS-9 users
|
|||
|
|
----|---- StG network: sysop@Narnia "Exclusively OS-9"
|
|||
|
|
| Delphi: JEVestal@delphi.com
|
|||
|
|
Marysville, CA InterNet: JEVestal@narnia.wa.com
|
|||
|
|
| or : JEVestal@citrus.sac.ca.us
|
|||
|
|
(916) 743-2617 Voice: 7am-11pm PDT :1 Corinthians 1:18 & Romans 1:16
|
|||
|
|
=============================================================================
|
|||
|
|
Jim Vestal: Assistant editor of The International OS-9 Underground,
|
|||
|
|
"Magazine dedicated to OS-9/OSK Users Everywhere
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88193 24-JUN 23:16 Programmers Den
|
|||
|
|
RE: C programming again (Re: Msg 88188)
|
|||
|
|
From: COLORSYSTEMS To: JEVESTAL
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
> Thanks for explaining this, too avoid such confusions I just
|
|||
|
|
> use the old standby j=j+1 when I want to increment j.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I use ++i syntax all the time. Not fer sure, but I think it actually
|
|||
|
|
generates more efficient asm than i = i + 1. And I never, ever mix up
|
|||
|
|
incrementation in an expression like:
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
i = j++;
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
For the most part, this is safe, but something like:
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
i = j++ >> 8;
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
may or may not work like you think it should. All compilers are not
|
|||
|
|
created equal!!! :-)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
Zack C Sessions
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
They say, "Money talks". But all mine ever says is, "Goodbye".
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88210 25-JUN 23:25 Programmers Den
|
|||
|
|
RE: C programming again (Re: Msg 88193)
|
|||
|
|
From: PAGAN To: COLORSYSTEMS
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
>I use ++i syntax all the time. Not fer sure, but I think it actually
|
|||
|
|
>generates more efficient asm than i = i + 1.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
If you're using the 3.2 compiler then the two expressions do result in
|
|||
|
|
different assembler. The "cntr = cntr+1" generates an extra move operation.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Using a register variable for the counter in the loop:
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
3.2: cc -xiat=/r0
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
for(cntr=0;cntr<100;cntr++)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
moveq.l #0,d4
|
|||
|
|
bra _7
|
|||
|
|
_5
|
|||
|
|
addq.l #1,d4
|
|||
|
|
_7
|
|||
|
|
moveq.l #100,d0
|
|||
|
|
cmp.l d4,d0
|
|||
|
|
bgt _5
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
for(cntr=0;cntr<100;cntr=cntr+1)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
moveq.l #0,d4
|
|||
|
|
bra _7
|
|||
|
|
move.l d4,d0
|
|||
|
|
_5
|
|||
|
|
addq.l #1,d0
|
|||
|
|
move.l d0,d4
|
|||
|
|
_7
|
|||
|
|
moveq.l #100,d0
|
|||
|
|
cmp.l d4,d0
|
|||
|
|
bgt _5
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Ultra C, OTOH, generates the same code for both cases:
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Ultra C: cc -ebe -td=/r0
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
_$L0
|
|||
|
|
moveq.l #0x0,%d0
|
|||
|
|
_$l321
|
|||
|
|
addq.l #1,%d0
|
|||
|
|
moveq.l #0x64,%d1
|
|||
|
|
cmp.l %d1,%d0
|
|||
|
|
blt _$l321
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Note that I cleaned the above code up a bit for publication <g>.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Stephen (PAGAN)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Men are apt to mistake the strength of their feeling for the strength of
|
|||
|
|
their argument. The heated mind resents the chill touch and relentless
|
|||
|
|
scrutinity of logic. - William Gladstone
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|||
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|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
88041 18-JUN 16:33 General Information
|
|||
|
|
Ramdisk
|
|||
|
|
From: VE3DAC To: WDTV5
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I just picked up all the ramdisk messages here and will read them offline.
|
|||
|
|
However I unarc'd Myram and the help file has your trademark <g>. At any
|
|||
|
|
rate, do I just install your driver in place of rammer and keep using
|
|||
|
|
my /r0? I gather that I can change the size of the ramdisk to most any
|
|||
|
|
value I want, anytime I want? with dmode? Since I still have 512K, my /r0
|
|||
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is set at about 100k, but I would like to make it larger from time to time
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and then go back to its smaller size. I have never had a problem with
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Rammer, but my understanding has always been that once initialized, that's it
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What other advantages does myram have? Since I don't need a mega ramdisk,
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should I even bother changing?
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Cheers
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Merv
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88065 19-JUN 12:07 General Information
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RE: Ramdisk (Re: Msg 88041)
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From: WDTV5 To: VE3DAC
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For you, the real advanmntage (advantage) is the lack of any need to
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initialize it. It must be deinited before any size change via the "sct"
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variable will take place on the next access. Cheers - Gene
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88138 22-JUN 00:30 General Information
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RE: Ramdisk (Re: Msg 88065)
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From: VE3DAC To: WDTV5
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Soon I'll tackle quoting, it would help for this message.
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I don't understand how the ramdisk doesn't need to be initialized. I can't
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use the default 1 meg size, so I assume the size will be set in the
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descriptor. The driver and descriptor should be in the boot, no? I'm sure
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that you used Rammer at some point in your Ccoco career and that is where
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I'm coming from. If I deinit the Ramdisk, change sct using dmode then
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wouldn't I use init to restart it?
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Don't be too brief and assume that I'm on your wavelength.
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Merv
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88156 23-JUN 00:41 General Information
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RE: Ramdisk (Re: Msg 88138)
|
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From: WDTV5 To: VE3DAC
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Ok, Merv. Rammer did need to be formatted I think. That was its "initilization"
|
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I guess, I never could get it to work for me, mainly because of the BLOB
|
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problems I was also having back in the early years. So I settled on the
|
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combination of /r0 and Ram.dr from the developers pack. Not everyone has
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that descriptor, but I think there was another lookalike in the database
|
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at one time, or you could make it with dEd after saving one of the other
|
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floppy descriptors as "R0.dd". Then use ded to change the drivers name
|
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from cc3disk to ram (don't forget to set the hi bit of the last char, in
|
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this case the "m") so os9 can find the name correctly. Then check the offsets
|
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in the book, and make the "sectors @per track" a large value, say about $200.
|
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You could even use ded for that.
|
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Now the reason it doesn't need "init" or format, is that the init code is
|
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in fact the entry "init" lable in the driver format according to the os9
|
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manuals. All that really needs to be done is to set up enough of the "first"
|
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sector to enable rbf to get the device characteristics, establish the
|
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correct size file allocation map which may be more than 1 sector if the
|
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"sct" value is about $800. Then a skeleton fd sector is established in the
|
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next sector after the FAT, and a $40 byte long "root" directory built in the
|
|||
|
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next sector after that one used for the fd (file descriptor) sector.
|
|||
|
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A small drive only needs 3 256 byte "sectors" to do that, the rest of the
|
|||
|
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disk is then nothing more than memory allocated to this task! OS9/RBF handle
|
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the map switrtching (switching) to keep the memory linked into the taskmap
|
|||
|
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according to the absolute seek value RBF keeps in its own buffers for the
|
|||
|
|
device. Format doesn't count! When a "normal" file open is done instead
|
|||
|
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of appending the @ sign to the device name, rbf keeps track of the length
|
|||
|
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of the file and prevents you from reading past the end of file into garbage
|
|||
|
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data in bare memory thats not yet been written to. Since you can't read
|
|||
|
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what you haven't written, no formatting is required, and there is not in fact
|
|||
|
|
any of the normal housekeeping sync bytes etc used on a real disk in the
|
|||
|
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ram disks memory area. The rbf maintained seek pointer does it all.
|
|||
|
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To recap, you'll need a descriptor whose driver name=ram, and whose "sct"
|
|||
|
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value is dummied up to the $200 area. This will give about a 100k disk
|
|||
|
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if my memory is working. You can deinit it if you want to change the size,
|
|||
|
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so that the new size will take effect on the next open file operation that
|
|||
|
|
references the device. Thats all there is to it. Cheers Merv, Gene
|
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|
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88158 23-JUN 00:57 General Information
|
|||
|
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RE: Ramdisk (Re: Msg 88138)
|
|||
|
|
From: WDTV5 To: VE3DAC
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
An addendum after re-reading it off-line. Yes, it s/b in the boot, else
|
|||
|
|
wastes 8k of valuable system ram to load after the fact. The default size
|
|||
|
|
is whatever the descriptors "sct" value is. The effective minimum should
|
|||
|
|
be considered to be 8192 bytes or 8k. Don't dforget to sub the 3 sectors
|
|||
|
|
(768 bytes) used for the stuff rbf needs. The value set in sct is the
|
|||
|
|
number of sectors at 256 bytes per sector. $200 then is (grabbing calculator)
|
|||
|
|
512x256=131072 bytes. For some reason, mine defaults to $1e8 sectors.
|
|||
|
|
Not quite enough to run dchecks buffer on my 125 meg/1 sector per cluster
|
|||
|
|
hard drive! So I have a script that runs it at the right size.
|
|||
|
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Cheers Merv, Gene
|
|||
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|
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|
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|
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|
End of Thread.
|
|||
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|
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|
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|
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|
|
88044 18-JUN 18:29 General Information
|
|||
|
|
add a window
|
|||
|
|
From: TAULBORG To: ALL
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
I would like to be able to add another window besides the two I have
|
|||
|
|
at startup but I don't know how!Since I use os9 but I am basicaly os9
|
|||
|
|
stupid I would need detialed instructions on setting up another window
|
|||
|
|
after startup.PLEASE HELP!!!!
|
|||
|
|
Steven P Taulborg
|
|||
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|
|||
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|
|||
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|
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|
|
88051 18-JUN 21:17 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: add a window (Re: Msg 88044)
|
|||
|
|
From: CHARLESAM To: TAULBORG
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
There are several ways to master it. One.- Read the Tandy docs concerning
|
|||
|
|
wcreate. Two.- Download one of the offerings in the database. A good one
|
|||
|
|
for you would be Interactive Windows. If you do it either way, you'll
|
|||
|
|
know for next time you need a window. Also, you can make a window with display
|
|||
|
|
but again you need to read up on it. If I give you specific instructions
|
|||
|
|
on how to make a window, I need to know what kind of window, Text/Graphic.
|
|||
|
|
Also how many columns 40/80 if its text. You see what I mean(I hope!).
|
|||
|
|
If you have two windows at startup, one is /term. The other was created
|
|||
|
|
in the startup file. Check the file to see how it was done. It probably
|
|||
|
|
is the easiest way. Good luck. Charlie
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88052 18-JUN 21:34 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: add a window (Re: Msg 88044)
|
|||
|
|
From: JEJONES To: TAULBORG
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
> I would like to be able to add another window besides the two I have
|
|||
|
|
> at startup but I don't know how!Since I use os9 but I am basicaly os9
|
|||
|
|
> stupid I would need detialed instructions on setting up another window
|
|||
|
|
> after startup.PLEASE HELP!!!!
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
OK--I'll give it a try. (I say that because I may forget something.)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Anyway...first thing to do is an mdir. Look at the output for names like
|
|||
|
|
w1, w2, w3, and so forth. If they're in there, you have several windows
|
|||
|
|
already, you just need to know how to use them.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
The easiest way to use them is by running a command and redirecting its
|
|||
|
|
standard paths to them. Actually, it's even easier than that, because
|
|||
|
|
you can use "/w" instead of naming an explicit window like, say, /w3.
|
|||
|
|
That way you don't have to look and see what else is going on and
|
|||
|
|
say to yourself something like "Oh, yeah, did I start a terminal
|
|||
|
|
program in /w4? OK, I'll use /w5 instead." With /w, you just have
|
|||
|
|
to type, for example,
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
osterm /t1 <>>>/w &
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
and there you go with osterm running in another window. For shell,
|
|||
|
|
there's the -i option, which will keep a stray <ESC> from ending the
|
|||
|
|
shell, so with the shell, you'll typically want to do
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
shell -i=/w &
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
to fire up a shell in another window.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Here's where the tricky part comes in, though: for some reason that
|
|||
|
|
I don't know, stock OS-9 has the various window descriptors set to
|
|||
|
|
come up by default in weird modes: 16*32, 12*80, etc. Some programs
|
|||
|
|
say "by golly, I'll make this window what I want it to be," so they
|
|||
|
|
don't care what the device descriptor says, but others, like the shell,
|
|||
|
|
don't do that. You'll therefore probably want to modify those device
|
|||
|
|
descriptors so that they all do something a bit more reasonable by
|
|||
|
|
default. I had mine all set to 24*80 text windows by default.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
There may be something in the download areas here explicitly set up
|
|||
|
|
to make the window descriptors all 24*80 text windows by default; I
|
|||
|
|
remember using such a thing. But if there isn't--heck, even if there
|
|||
|
|
is, it's useful--you'll want to look for a program called "wmode."
|
|||
|
|
wmode does for windows what xmode does for plain old SCF devices.
|
|||
|
|
Once you have the descriptors all the way you want them, make sure
|
|||
|
|
their CRCs are good, save them, and make a new bootfile. Then you're
|
|||
|
|
all set.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88073 19-JUN 15:45 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: add a window (Re: Msg 88044)
|
|||
|
|
From: RICKMAC To: TAULBORG
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
If you want another window with a shell runiining in it just add:
|
|||
|
|
shell i=/w<num>& <num>=window number or none for nex t window
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
If you want something else running in it use:
|
|||
|
|
module <>>>/w[num]&
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Oh, forgot to mention, you add these lines to your startup file.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88074 19-JUN 15:48 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: add a window (Re: Msg 88052)
|
|||
|
|
From: 01GEN40 To: TAULBORG
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Ok, here is my 2 cents worth. :-)I have a shellscript called "nxtwin"
|
|||
|
|
which I use in my startup file to open 2 windows besides my '/term'. I also
|
|||
|
|
use it for getting more windows "on-the-fly".
|
|||
|
|
I utilize 2 utilities within my script, both of which can be found here in
|
|||
|
|
the databases. One is called "getnw", this goes and gets t very next win-
|
|||
|
|
dow in lin: if you have /w1 and /w2 open it will get /w3 f yo No
|
|||
|
|
specifing of the descriptor needed! The other utility is called "ni",
|
|||
|
|
and what it does is sets the priority to what you spe.
|
|||
|
|
Please excuse the way this looks, I am receiving random characters, most
|
|||
|
|
likely a noisy line.
|
|||
|
|
I forgot to tell you about another utilitthat I use, it is called
|
|||
|
|
"datamod". What it does is takes your shell scripts and makes them into a
|
|||
|
|
data module so ty can reside in memo and be readily availab.
|
|||
|
|
Here is what my script file looks like:
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
getnw 0
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
nice 30 shell pat/dd/cmds /dd/cmds/filetools /dd/cmds/hdtools <>>>%%0&
|
|||
|
|
echo
|
|||
|
|
echo Window %%0 ind
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I really hate this line noise at times like thi am not sure b from
|
|||
|
|
my vantage point right now, there is an extra line in the above script.
|
|||
|
|
There is a line th 5 dots after the line "getnw 0". If it is there when
|
|||
|
|
you read th ignore it for it does not belong there.
|
|||
|
|
Anyway, this is just anoer person's way of doing something which happens
|
|||
|
|
to be a most logical and efficient manner for me. Hope you enjoy.
|
|||
|
|
LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVE ** In whatever form it is in!
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-= 01GEN40 =-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88075 19-JUN 15:53 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: add a window (Re: Msg 88074)
|
|||
|
|
From: 01GEN40 To: TAULBORG
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
My message to you was too garballed up, I will have to "slowio" a message
|
|||
|
|
to y. be back in a few. $od da%$# line noise!!!
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88078 19-JUN 16:31 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: add a window (Re: Msg 88075)
|
|||
|
|
From: 01GEN40 To: TAULBORG
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Ok, once again, here is my 2 cents worth.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I use a shell script for doing my windows, it is called "nxtwin".
|
|||
|
|
I have it in my startup file twice to open 2 windows beside my
|
|||
|
|
and it is used for getting the very next available window. The
|
|||
|
|
other is called "nice" which is used to set the priority to a spec-
|
|||
|
|
ified value on any process. I use a value of 30 for the shells I
|
|||
|
|
have started in each window. This seems to suit me best. When I
|
|||
|
|
am "on-line" as I am right now, I want my terminal program to have
|
|||
|
|
most of the processor's attention. It runs at 255, while everything
|
|||
|
|
else is set low.
|
|||
|
|
Anyway, these 2 utilities can be found here in the databases. I
|
|||
|
|
have another utility that I also use called "datamod". It is used
|
|||
|
|
for creating a data module out of script files so they may reside
|
|||
|
|
in memory.
|
|||
|
|
Here is my script:
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
getnw 0
|
|||
|
|
nice 30 shell path=/dd/cmds /dd/cmds/filetools /dd/cmds/hdtools <>>>%%0&
|
|||
|
|
echo
|
|||
|
|
echo Window %%0 initialized
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I also use "nxtwin" when I need windows "on-the-fly". Just type
|
|||
|
|
it on the command line and I have another window to work in. I hope
|
|||
|
|
this might help you. See ya.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-= 01GEN40 =-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Well, I think that is better. I did this off-line and th logged
|
|||
|
|
back on and "slowio"ed it to you. I did notice that a stray message
|
|||
|
|
delp got in there. I do not know if it will show up, but if it d
|
|||
|
|
t
|
|||
|
|
does, just ignore it.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-= 01GEN40 =-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88045 18-JUN 19:41 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: OSK Software (Re: Msg 87987)
|
|||
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: MRUPGRADE
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Terry,
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I've been following this thread and would like to provide a little
|
|||
|
|
input, just a few of my observations, not necessarily gospel, of course.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I've fooled with a CoCo for about 12 years (+/-), been involved with
|
|||
|
|
OS9 for maybe 10.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I've just recently gotten an OSK machine - about 3 weeks - and am still
|
|||
|
|
in the process of acquiring software. From my initial perspective, it
|
|||
|
|
looks like in most areas, there is the equivalent software for it as you will
|
|||
|
|
find on a Level 2 OS9 CoCo. It seems that a lot of the stuff is implemented
|
|||
|
|
as well - some better, due to the lack of memory constraints. I've only
|
|||
|
|
touched the surface of the software. The only thing that *MIGHT* be behind
|
|||
|
|
here is in terminal software at this point; but this might be due to my lack
|
|||
|
|
of familiarity with what's available. I now have Sterm - very good - but
|
|||
|
|
lacking the bells & whistles of a true telecom package.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I'm not sure if your stance is that BOTH OS9 AND OSK are lacking in apps
|
|||
|
|
but I've been able to find about any app for OS9 that I have ever needed. I
|
|||
|
|
think that this will be true also for OSK; I feel that at this point, OSK
|
|||
|
|
is at least on an equal to OS9 in the area of bells & whistles in about any
|
|||
|
|
field, and some are already ahead; I feel this advancement will accelerate
|
|||
|
|
geometrically. I do believe that more and more attention will be given to
|
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OSK than OS9 as time goes on.
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Some of the software I find attractive are:
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Ved/Vprint - Have CoCo version, fantastic. You can utilize all your printer's
|
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capabilities. Going to get OSK version. I understand it does even more.
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There are other good text editor/formatter combos also.
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"IX" - automatic offline-reader-type comm package specifically for Delphi &
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CIS. Have CoCo version - because of IX, I know very little about navigation
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cmds for Delphi <G>. Again, getting OSK version, again... even better.
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Don't know if you are into BBS comm or not. Many have a format called "QWK"
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packets where the selected subs(topics) are compressed into a file, you d/l
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them and then offline you read them, make replies or compose new msgs, then
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they are compressed and you upload them. There are some for the CoCo -
|
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have one and it works quite well. I got ATP for OSK, got it here, and it
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is also great.
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So you see, we have many bases covered. This is only a small sample of stuff
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available, just what I've found useful so far.
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> I once started a $100 check
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> to Frank Hogg for Word star, on the CC2. Thanks to his honesty I
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> didn't buy it. It required some working knowledge of OS-9, or
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> i.e. was not "ready to run".
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I think this will improve as time goes by. It's already getting better.
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To be honest, I probably would not take the responsibility of recommending
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OS9/K to a 100% computer illiterate person. However, I would like to add
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that while I have never had any experience with a PC, from questions I've
|
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seen posted on BBS's and from problems I've heard from friends, a PC will
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not run by itself, and some people have serious problems getting the PC's to
|
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do what they want them to do, so I'm not sure the PC is the cure-all. For
|
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you, I don't know. If you can successfully use OS9, then you should not
|
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have any problem with an OSK machine. For myself, at this point at least,
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I'm really impressed. The speed is worth a bunch. Again, no one system is
|
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right for everyone. I think that the OSK system will provide everything I
|
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will need (the CoCo could too, except I am not really good at hardware
|
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work, and when the CoCo starts to break down, there will come a time that
|
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it will be hard to get replacements).
|
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Sorry for being so windy...
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-- David Breeding --
|
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CompuServe : 72330,2051
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Delphi : DBREEDING
|
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*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
|
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|
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^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
|
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88048 18-JUN 19:57 General Information
|
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RE: OSK Software (Re: Msg 88045)
|
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From: MITHELEN To: DBREEDING
|
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From my expreiance with "PC's", most people that get them, get them all
|
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pre-configured, and set up for them by someone else "in the know" and they
|
|||
|
|
never really get the system set up the way they REALLY want it, just because
|
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|
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they never went through them first initial steps. While I don't own a
|
|||
|
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PC myself, I have set up, or helped set up several for friends, and I find
|
|||
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them nop easier to set up then a OS-9 or Unix box.
|
|||
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--
|
|||
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Paul
|
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|
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88053 18-JUN 22:57 General Information
|
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RE: OSK Software (Re: Msg 88045)
|
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From: MRUPGRADE To: DBREEDING
|
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|
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Thanks for the comprehensive reply. It appears both honest & average in
|
|||
|
|
experience for a new OSK machine owner. Cept theh earlier MM/1's required
|
|||
|
|
hardware knowledge,, to even get started. according to one owner.
|
|||
|
|
The remainding question, which maybe you answered (more memory),,
|
|||
|
|
what was your prime motivaion in buying an OSK machine. and which one
|
|||
|
|
Til then,,, Terry Simons
|
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|
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88057 19-JUN 03:49 General Information
|
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|
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RE: OSK Software (Re: Msg 88045)
|
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|
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From: COCOKIWI To: DBREEDING
|
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|
|||
|
|
there is learning curve one must go through on ANY computer!
|
|||
|
|
I upgraded to a 486 33 meg and having to setup games for the kids can be fun!
|
|||
|
|
If one has a lot of programs in conventional memory .like Stacker 4.0..
|
|||
|
|
PC kwik....Etc ...they hog the lower memory! one can get around it by loading
|
|||
|
|
them in high memory,BUT! when one uses MEMMAKER <dos 6> it only sees ONE set
|
|||
|
|
of programs to load high,SCREWING up the other sets that one boots with
|
|||
|
|
another Batch boot program that came with DOS 6........because of that one
|
|||
|
|
has to setup the other Blocks MANUALY by hand!
|
|||
|
|
because of the Memory problems......MAX Memory for normal games....
|
|||
|
|
CD-ROM mode for CD-ROM drives....one has to max lower memory for EACH set!
|
|||
|
|
Memmaker do not allow that!yet it came with it!<grin>
|
|||
|
|
It do remind one of the 64k memory max problems with the CoCo,yet we are playing
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
with 640k here!I finaly got how to do it!BUT! had to do it by hand,something
|
|||
|
|
some people would not be willing to do,some programs will NOT work unless one is
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
willing to get inside to get it to work right,that goes for OSK/OS9...machines
|
|||
|
|
the CoCo or the IBM clones and MACs......I had to use the driver that came with
|
|||
|
|
the CD-ROM a CR-563...Why! because the Software from Soundblaster works ONLY
|
|||
|
|
with their drive also a CR-563 but! NOT made by the same company....
|
|||
|
|
BOTH drives are the SAME! but the internal electronics are NOT!
|
|||
|
|
So if one is playing with OS9 or DOS <IBM> one still has to put up with problems
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
caused by different ways of doing the SAME thing differently!<grin>..no matter
|
|||
|
|
which platform one uses...................
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
Dennis
|
|||
|
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|
|||
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|
-*-
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
88060 19-JUN 11:31 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: OSK Software (Re: Msg 88053)
|
|||
|
|
From: COLORSYSTEMS To: MRUPGRADE
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
> Thanks for the comprehensive reply. It appears both honest & average
|
|||
|
|
> in experience for a new OSK machine owner. Cept theh earlier MM/1's
|
|||
|
|
> required hardware knowledge,, to even get started. according to one
|
|||
|
|
> owner.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
The only hardware knowledge you had to have with early MM/1's was how
|
|||
|
|
to mount the boards in the case, as they came unassembled.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
Zack C Sessions
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
They say, "Money talks". But all mine ever says is, "Goodbye".
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88062 19-JUN 11:31 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: OSK Software (Re: Msg 88045)
|
|||
|
|
From: NIMITZ To: DBREEDING
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Nice synopsis, David! Truly a good outline of the state of the market,
|
|||
|
|
and the point about the PC is VERY WELL PUT!. I recently made an easy
|
|||
|
|
$150 when I was called for a consult about a sick PC. Seems the original
|
|||
|
|
vendor set the EEProm default to deny control of an address line to the memory
|
|||
|
|
management programs. This person installed Windows, which installed the memory
|
|||
|
|
manager in her machine,
|
|||
|
|
thus adding an error message on startup - drove her nuts! PC's as a class are
|
|||
|
|
NOT EASIER to use than OS9 machines. Never have been, and never will be!
|
|||
|
|
Yes, many programs can be used "off the shelf", with very little experience
|
|||
|
|
with the OS required. V
|
|||
|
|
ery true. But, if you try to mix many of those "ready to run" packages
|
|||
|
|
together - you had better plan on learning to work the machine! I might add
|
|||
|
|
that I had several friends who owned DynaStar. I wish I could have afforded DS
|
|||
|
|
at that time. It was eas
|
|||
|
|
y to install, and powerful. I think that Terry denied himself a real pleasure
|
|||
|
|
by declining that purchase!
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
David
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88069 19-JUN 15:19 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: OSK Software (Re: Msg 88060)
|
|||
|
|
From: MRUPGRADE To: COLORSYSTEMS
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I read a review by a fellow form NB, The Club Prez, I believe who would
|
|||
|
|
differ with you. Or perhaps it was OS system knowledge knowledge. In
|
|||
|
|
any case he said mor e or less, "as per instructions, he could not have
|
|||
|
|
got it running". Though he does enjoy his MM/1/
|
|||
|
|
Til then,,, Terry Simons
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88071 19-JUN 15:39 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: OSK Software (Re: Msg 88069)
|
|||
|
|
From: NIMITZ To: MRUPGRADE
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Terry, there are now, have been, and always will be those people who can't
|
|||
|
|
change a spark plug. How many people blame that on Detroit??? I have no
|
|||
|
|
ability to solder at all, but have assembled "cable together" type stuff for my
|
|||
|
|
CoCo all along. I have a
|
|||
|
|
ssembled PC computers. I had NO difficulty at all with IMS's instructions on
|
|||
|
|
assembling the MM/1. I don't want to say a defective user is responsible for
|
|||
|
|
all problems with all computers everywhere, but neither does one users
|
|||
|
|
inability to assemble an MM/
|
|||
|
|
1 mean that the engineer or marketing team for the MM/1 are lacking in ability!
|
|||
|
|
Get real. You can tell some of the people some of the time, and most of the
|
|||
|
|
people most of the time, but you can tell all of the people NONE of the time.
|
|||
|
|
That's a simple
|
|||
|
|
fact of life. And my experience with the MM/1 community is that IMS did manage
|
|||
|
|
to reach the vast majority of the people most of the time when it comes to the
|
|||
|
|
assembly instructions.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
David
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88083 19-JUN 17:26 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: OSK Software (Re: Msg 88071)
|
|||
|
|
From: MRUPGRADE To: NIMITZ
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I wouldn't want oto call this fellow a defective user. Though still you
|
|||
|
|
could be right,, it may have been something that he just didn't understand.
|
|||
|
|
andn I doubt it was anything insurmopountable,, in that there are many happy
|
|||
|
|
MM/1 users.
|
|||
|
|
Til then,,, Terry Simons
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88099 19-JUN 23:26 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: OSK Software (Re: Msg 88083)
|
|||
|
|
From: WA2EGP To: MRUPGRADE
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I wouldn't call him a defective user either. I know it is possible to have the
|
|||
|
|
simplest instructions and still have someone screw it up. A recently released
|
|||
|
|
software package was given some bad "reviews" by an individual ("the package
|
|||
|
|
is broken.."). Turns out that the individual had his system set up a little
|
|||
|
|
different than most of us. I have done the same thing also with software.
|
|||
|
|
That is what is great about the SIG. You can ask without looking (too) foolish
|
|||
|
|
to others. I've done it on occasion (looking foolish that is). BTW, PC
|
|||
|
|
software installation instructions has lines like (paraphrased) "when running
|
|||
|
|
and XXXX error appears, the installation was incomplete/defective/missing
|
|||
|
|
files, etc". Un huh.....easier to install. Yep. (grin)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88176 23-JUN 22:58 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: OSK Software (Re: Msg 88062)
|
|||
|
|
From: ERNIEWITHERS To: NIMITZ (NR)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
David, I've been following this thread with interest. I've been using IBM
|
|||
|
|
compatibles since '83 or so and have never thought of them as easier to set
|
|||
|
|
up or use than my CoCo's or MM/1. The problems are just different or pop up
|
|||
|
|
at different times. Installing "standard" cards can be a real pain because
|
|||
|
|
of the IRQ's. Many times I've had to re-address a card or change the interrupt
|
|||
|
|
because of a conflict with something already in the machine. Getting the CMOS
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
copy of the settings. I'm often called both at work and home by people with
|
|||
|
|
either software or hardware problems who need help. ALLof these people have
|
|||
|
|
IBM compatible machines.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Also, regarding Dynastar, I've owned it since the OS-9 level one days. I really
|
|||
|
|
like the program and upgraded to the level 2 CoCo 3 version when Frank made it
|
|||
|
|
available. Even before my MM/1 was delivered, I bought Dynastar for OSK. I own
|
|||
|
|
and use Microsoft Word for Windows 6.0 and Wordperfect 6.0 on my 486's. I like
|
|||
|
|
WinWord a lot but still use the MM/1 and Dynastar quite a bit because it's
|
|||
|
|
much easier to use. After I got OS-9000 I called Frank and asked if he had
|
|||
|
|
Dynastar available for it. He said no but that it should not be too hard to
|
|||
|
|
port since it was written in C. He also said he had no intentions of porting
|
|||
|
|
it at that time. I hope he changes his mind because I'd sure buy it.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Just my 2 cents worth.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Ernest
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
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|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88199 25-JUN 17:34 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: OSK Software (Re: Msg 88048)
|
|||
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: MITHELEN (NR)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
> From my expreiance with "PC's", most people that get them, get them all
|
|||
|
|
> pre-configured, and set up for them by someone else "in the know" and
|
|||
|
|
> they never really get the system set up the way they REALLY want it, just
|
|||
|
|
> because they never went through them first initial steps.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Exactly as I see it. Just this week, a friend who got a PC mailorder - had
|
|||
|
|
it maybe 4-6 months - it wouldn't boot from the HD. They called the
|
|||
|
|
company's tech support and got no help whatsoever. I believe they went
|
|||
|
|
through the setup procedure and got it back to working.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I betcha if mine quits like that a call to Ed Gresick (or Frank Hogg or
|
|||
|
|
David Graham for the other systems) will get it back up quickly (barring
|
|||
|
|
a hardware failure). I didn't set mine up, it came preconfigured, but I
|
|||
|
|
don't think there will be any problem when the need arises.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-- David Breeding --
|
|||
|
|
CompuServe : 72330,2051
|
|||
|
|
Delphi : DBREEDING
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
|
|||
|
|
^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88200 25-JUN 17:35 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: OSK Software (Re: Msg 88053)
|
|||
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: MRUPGRADE
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
> owner. The remainding question, which maybe you answered (more
|
|||
|
|
> memory),, what was your prime motivaion in buying an OSK machine. and
|
|||
|
|
> which one Til then,,, Terry Simons
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I had 2-3 reasons. For one thing, I've done Coco-OS9 for maybe 10 years
|
|||
|
|
and am truly impressed with the system. I had to see what the "next
|
|||
|
|
generation" was like. Secondly, I've been online for maybe 3-4 years, and
|
|||
|
|
I have made the acquaintance, if only in print with many, of a whole bunch
|
|||
|
|
of great people, and would hate to leave their company. Thirdly, it may
|
|||
|
|
be trivial, but I'm a real fan of the Motorola chip, the 6809 and now the
|
|||
|
|
680x0.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I looked seriously at going to a PC or maybe a Mac. In my research of the
|
|||
|
|
Mac, it may have been my lack of understanding, but the word "crash" seemed
|
|||
|
|
to be popping too frequently for my taste :-). Some people view the PC
|
|||
|
|
as the cure-all, the ultimate. You may have already been there, but if not,
|
|||
|
|
get on a PC-related BBS. If you think _WE_ have troubles, listen to them..
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I wound up getting a Delmar System 5. So far, I'm totally thrilled with it.
|
|||
|
|
I do believe that choosing either of the currently available 3 offerings -
|
|||
|
|
Delmar/Peripheral Technologies, MM/1, FHL would be a tossup. Each system
|
|||
|
|
has its strong points, although each "strong point" would probably be a
|
|||
|
|
minor advantage in any case.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-- David Breeding --
|
|||
|
|
CompuServe : 72330,2051
|
|||
|
|
Delphi : DBREEDING
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
|
|||
|
|
^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
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88201 25-JUN 17:36 General Information
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RE: OSK Software (Re: Msg 88057)
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From: DBREEDING To: COCOKIWI
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Your comments re: setting up PC's and others was quite well-put.
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The trouble with so many people is that they think that all that is required
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to do is set a PC on the desk and let 'er go. That's OK if all you want
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to do is write a letter or 2 and do a checkbook account. However, if you
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really want to get everything out of your computer, be it PC or any other
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machine, then you're going to have to find out about your system, or find
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someone who _DOES_ know.
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You know, one thing I have thought... I know the 64K limit for the CoCo was
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something of a nuisance, but with this, we _KNEW_ our limit. I am totally
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illiterate on the PC, but to my understanding, isn't this 640K limit
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cumulative? Doesn't each program in memory use part of this till it runs
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out?
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051
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Delphi : DBREEDING
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*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
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^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
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88202 25-JUN 17:37 General Information
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RE: OSK Software (Re: Msg 88062)
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From: DBREEDING To: NIMITZ (NR)
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> Nice synopsis, David! Truly a good outline of the state of the market,
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> and the point about the PC is VERY WELL PUT!.
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Thanks... I was merely reporting how I see the situation.
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> PC's as a class
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> are
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> NOT EASIER to use than OS9 machines. Never have been, and never will be!
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How true, it's just that so many people *THINK* they are...
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I've been on a BBS with some computer-related sigs. Man! I've *NEVER* had
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the problems these people are having <G>.
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051
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Delphi : DBREEDING
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*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
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^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
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88203 25-JUN 17:43 General Information
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RE: OSK Software (Re: Msg 88200)
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From: MRUPGRADE To: DBREEDING
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Your reply, give good and real reasons to go OSK. May I use it in an
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article?
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Til then,,, Terry Simons
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88206 25-JUN 22:02 General Information
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RE: OSK Software (Re: Msg 88200)
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From: KSCALES To: DBREEDING
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David -
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Very interesting message.
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> I had 2-3 reasons. For one thing, I've done Coco-OS9 for maybe 10 years
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> and am truly impressed with the system. I had to see what the "next
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> generation" was like. Secondly, I've been online for maybe 3-4 years,
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> and I have made the acquaintance, if only in print with many, of a whole
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> bunch of great people, and would hate to leave their company. Thirdly, it
|
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> may be trivial, but I'm a real fan of the Motorola chip, the 6809 and now
|
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> the 680x0.
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I think that these are very common reasons for folks to make the decision
|
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to get an OSK system as their upgrade path from CC3 L2, but I have never
|
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seen them expressed so well and so concisely.
|
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> I looked seriously at going to a PC or maybe a Mac. In my research of
|
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> the Mac, it may have been my lack of understanding, but the word "crash"
|
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> seemed to be popping too frequently for my taste :-).
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A few weeks ago, I attended a three-day "Software Testing Seminar". One
|
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thing that the instructor mentioned in one of his anecdotes was
|
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that while testing/debugging a "record/playback" testtool his company
|
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produces, they encounterred some problems interfacing with the Mac. Turns
|
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out that it was due to a race condition in the basic Mac firmware regarding
|
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interrupts. Apple eventually acknowledged the problem as a day-one bug,
|
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but fixing it would require recalling all of their Macs... Dunno if they
|
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have fixed it in new production or not. This race condition is probably
|
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one of the gremlins behind these periodic "crashes". (One of my
|
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colleagues came over the other day and commented that his had just crashed
|
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for the second time that day, losing all he had been working on...)
|
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We are in thunderstorm season now so I shut down my system when I'm
|
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away, but my MM/1 typically would go for weeks (24 hours/day, 7 days
|
|||
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a week) without even a manually initiated re-boot.
|
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> I wound up getting a Delmar System 5. So far, I'm totally thrilled with
|
|||
|
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> it. I do believe that choosing either of the currently available 3
|
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> offerings - Delmar/Peripheral Technologies, MM/1, FHL would be a tossup.
|
|||
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> Each system has its strong points, although each "strong point" would
|
|||
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> probably be a minor advantage in any case.
|
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|
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I agree -- I have an MM/1, but when asked by two folks in the last few
|
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months which system to get, agreed with one that the PT68K4 was right
|
|||
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for him, and the KiX was good for the other.
|
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Regards... / Ken
|
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--------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
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Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales@delphi.com CIS:74646,2237
|
|||
|
|
=-=-=-=-=-= Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatible =-=-=-=-=-=
|
|||
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|
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88214 26-JUN 02:57 General Information
|
|||
|
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RE: OSK Software (Re: Msg 88206)
|
|||
|
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From: JOELHEGBERG To: KSCALES
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
> > I looked seriously at going to a PC or M1gjk<6A>R my research of
|
|||
|
|
> > the Mac, it may have been my lack of understanding, but the word "crash"
|
|||
|
|
> > seemed to be popping too frequently for my taste :-).
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
My Mac does not seem to have a problem with crashing, but I'm still very
|
|||
|
|
happy I've got an OSK machine (MM/1) as my primary machine. On the Mac,
|
|||
|
|
you can do background printing and multitask with many programs at one
|
|||
|
|
time, but it's discouraging to watch your background printing halt every
|
|||
|
|
time you pull down a menu or click somewhere on the screen. My MM/1
|
|||
|
|
doesn't do that! :) OS-9's real-time pre-emptive multitasking is much
|
|||
|
|
much better.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
-- Joel Mathew Hegberg
|
|||
|
|
Delphi : JOELHEGBERG
|
|||
|
|
Internet: JoelHegberg@Delphi.com
|
|||
|
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|
|||
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|
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|
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|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
88218 26-JUN 04:41 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: OSK Software (Re: Msg 88201)
|
|||
|
|
From: COCOKIWI To: DBREEDING
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
YEP! TSR,s do......It,s a pain trying to juggle enough space so that games
|
|||
|
|
will run! With a CD-ROM drive you add more ..The upper limit is around 600k
|
|||
|
|
Zork needs 590k.....with STACKER.....PC-Kwik<cache>...CD-Rom drivers you
|
|||
|
|
don,t have much to play with! ONE HAS to fine tune to fit!<grin>...
|
|||
|
|
The 640k is cast in stone! above that to 1 meg you have Video..and UMB
|
|||
|
|
Some is used as a page register for upper memory,unlike the CoCo-3 there
|
|||
|
|
is only ONE area for Page memory,The CoCo-3 can use any 8k block within
|
|||
|
|
the Memory area!although the area involved is as much as the total memory
|
|||
|
|
the CoCo has without the extra,s.... I have crammed the UMB,s to as much
|
|||
|
|
as they can handle,I have around 8k space left up there!<grin>
|
|||
|
|
Dennis
|
|||
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|
|||
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|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
88226 26-JUN 14:15 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: OSK Software (Re: Msg 88203)
|
|||
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: MRUPGRADE
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
> Your reply, give good and real reasons to go OSK. May I use it in an
|
|||
|
|
> article?
|
|||
|
|
> Til then,,, Terry Simons
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
Sure... I'd be happy for you to use it.
|
|||
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|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
-- David Breeding --
|
|||
|
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CompuServe : 72330,2051
|
|||
|
|
Delphi : DBREEDING
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
|
|||
|
|
^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
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|
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|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
88227 26-JUN 14:17 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: OSK Software (Re: Msg 88206)
|
|||
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: KSCALES
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
> I think that these are very common reasons for folks to make the decision
|
|||
|
|
> to get an OSK system as their upgrade path from CC3 L2, but I have never
|
|||
|
|
> seen them expressed so well and so concisely.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I really gave my decision a great deal of thought. I've been in the
|
|||
|
|
process of making up my mind ever since the MM/1 came out, and did a lot
|
|||
|
|
of "soul-searching", I guess you might say.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Really, you are probably at least a small reason for my loyalty to OS9. If
|
|||
|
|
you remember maybe 4 or 5 years ago, you were still in the process of
|
|||
|
|
releasing scsi47, I had just gotten my HD and was having trouble getting it
|
|||
|
|
to format, (too dumb to remove the parity jumper <G> ). You went to a great
|
|||
|
|
deal of effort to help me get a version of scsi47. Things like that are
|
|||
|
|
hard to forget.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
> > I wound up getting a Delmar System 5. So far, I'm totally thrilled
|
|||
|
|
> with > it. I do believe that choosing either of the currently available 3
|
|||
|
|
> > offerings - Delmar/Peripheral Technologies, MM/1, FHL would be a
|
|||
|
|
> tossup. > Each system has its strong points, although each "strong point"
|
|||
|
|
> would > probably be a minor advantage in any case.
|
|||
|
|
>
|
|||
|
|
> I agree -- I have an MM/1, but when asked by two folks in the last few
|
|||
|
|
> months which system to get, agreed with one that the PT68K4 was right
|
|||
|
|
> for him, and the KiX was good for the other.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Right. I think I would have been quite happy with products from any of
|
|||
|
|
the 3. The only disadvantage of having this diverse market is that at this
|
|||
|
|
time, it looks to me like it may take a little doing to get advanced
|
|||
|
|
features like windowing to work across all platforms. it seems to me that
|
|||
|
|
at this time, to be 100% compatible, the software will have to be strictly
|
|||
|
|
text-oriented???
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Thanks for your reply. Not meaning to put them down, but your comments
|
|||
|
|
regarding the Mac make me think that I may have made a good decision in
|
|||
|
|
not getting one of them, at least for now.
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
-- David Breeding --
|
|||
|
|
CompuServe : 72330,2051
|
|||
|
|
Delphi : DBREEDING
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
|
|||
|
|
^^^^ ^^^^^^^<5E>\+
|
|||
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|
-*-
|
|||
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|
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|
|
88228 26-JUN 14:18 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: OSK Software (Re: Msg 88214)
|
|||
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: JOELHEGBERG (NR)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
> > > I looked seriously at going to a PC or maybe a Mac. In my research
|
|||
|
|
> of > > the Mac, it may have been my lack of understanding, but the word
|
|||
|
|
> "crash" > > seemed to be popping too frequently for my taste :-).
|
|||
|
|
>
|
|||
|
|
> My Mac does not seem to have a problem with crashing, but I'm still very
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
They probably are not all that crash-prone. It just seemed to me that in
|
|||
|
|
Mac discussions, the subject of crash-proofing software, and such made me
|
|||
|
|
a little leery.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
> happy I've got an OSK machine (MM/1) as my primary machine. On the Mac,
|
|||
|
|
> you can do background printing and multitask with many programs at one
|
|||
|
|
> time, but it's discouraging to watch your background printing halt every
|
|||
|
|
> time you pull down a menu or click somewhere on the screen. My MM/1
|
|||
|
|
> doesn't do that! :) OS-9's real-time pre-emptive multitasking is much
|
|||
|
|
> much better.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
This was one thing that made me kinda give up on the Mac. When I asked
|
|||
|
|
one salesman about whether multitasking was pre-emptive, and how it worked,
|
|||
|
|
although he wasn't all that literate on the subject, it led me to believe
|
|||
|
|
that OS9's multitasking was much better. This is one feature that I would
|
|||
|
|
sorely miss.
|
|||
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|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
-- David Breeding --
|
|||
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CompuServe : 72330,2051
|
|||
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Delphi : DBREEDING
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
|
|||
|
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^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
|
|||
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|
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|
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|
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88231 26-JUN 14:21 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: OSK Software (Re: Msg 88218)
|
|||
|
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From: DBREEDING To: COCOKIWI (NR)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
> YEP! TSR,s do......It,s a pain trying to juggle enough space so that
|
|||
|
|
> games will run! With a CD-ROM drive you add more
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
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> fit!<grin>... The 640k is cast in stone!
|
|||
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|
|||
|
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> CoCo-3 there is only ONE area for Page memory,The CoCo-3 can use any 8k
|
|||
|
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> block within the Memory area!
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
Your description was just about as I had imagined. The CoCo-3 has a
|
|||
|
|
pretty good memory arrangement. The only thing I could see coming was
|
|||
|
|
the fact that System Memory Area was beginning to get full. I ran into
|
|||
|
|
Out of Sys Mem a few times myself, and I think the ones pushing the system
|
|||
|
|
harder than I had been experiencing this for some time.
|
|||
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|
|||
|
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-- David Breeding --
|
|||
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CompuServe : 72330,2051
|
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Delphi : DBREEDING
|
|||
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|
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|
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*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
|
|||
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^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
|
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-*-
|
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88233 26-JUN 15:11 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: OSK Software (Re: Msg 88201)
|
|||
|
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From: 01GEN40 To: DBREEDING (NR)
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
Just my 2 cents worth... It is quite funny you should mention memory
|
|||
|
|
limitations on PCs. I just learned something about that this past week.
|
|||
|
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From the way I understand it, there is no 640K limit on a PC. That limit
|
|||
|
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is with MESSY-DOS. OS-2, on a PC recognizes ALL available memory on it
|
|||
|
|
and uses it for any programs. There is no 640K limit with OS/ I think
|
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|
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that with MESSY-DOS it had something to do with backwards compatability.
|
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The work of MICROSOFT. If, I am wrong here,omeone set me straight!
|
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See ya. LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!
|
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-= 01GEN40 =-
|
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|
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88234 26-JUN 16:14 General Information
|
|||
|
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RE: OSK Software (Re: Msg 88226)
|
|||
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From: MRUPGRADE To: DBREEDING (NR)
|
|||
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|
|||
|
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Thanks,, it should be in theh Aus/ Sept issue. Do you still have a CC3?
|
|||
|
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Either way,, I'll see that you get a copy.
|
|||
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Til then,,, Terry Simons
|
|||
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|
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End of Thread.
|
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88055 18-JUN 23:56 General Information
|
|||
|
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RE: Postscript (Re: Msg 88011)
|
|||
|
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From: PAGAN To: COLORSYSTEMS
|
|||
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|
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>Have you looked at the file yet? If it is merely an ASCII text file which
|
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>was converted to print as plain text on a Postscript printer, it probably
|
|||
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>has "preamble" of uF/script code, followed by the text itself, followed by
|
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>some trailer code.
|
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That I could have stripped out with a text editor. This file has postscript
|
|||
|
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commands buried throughout. It's kind of disgusting really. I've always
|
|||
|
|
pictured the 'Information Age' as a way to provide information in a format
|
|||
|
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that I can use and manipulate it the _I_ want to. This document is clut-
|
|||
|
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tered up with a bunch of crap to produce pretty _hard copy_.
|
|||
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|
Stephen (PAGAN)
|
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|
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Men are apt to mistake the strength of their feeling for the strength of
|
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their argument. The heated mind resents the chill touch and relentless
|
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scrutinity of logic. - William Gladstone
|
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88056 18-JUN 23:56 General Information
|
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RE: Postscript (Re: Msg 88019)
|
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From: PAGAN To: JOHNREED
|
|||
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|||
|
|
>I don't know of a simple OSK stripper. There is a utility (actually a
|
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|
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>PostScript program) called ps2ascii.ps that can be run with Ghostscript to
|
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|
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>put out plain text. It looks fairly complex -- I haven't tried it.
|
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|||
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I'll look into it thanks.
|
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|
|
|
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Stephen (PAGAN)
|
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|||
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Let Accuracy triumph over Victory
|
|||
|
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88061 19-JUN 11:31 General Information
|
|||
|
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RE: Postscript (Re: Msg 88055)
|
|||
|
|
From: COLORSYSTEMS To: PAGAN
|
|||
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|
|
|||
|
|
> That I could have stripped out with a text editor. This file has
|
|||
|
|
> postscript commands buried throughout. It's kind of disgusting really.
|
|||
|
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|||
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Changing fonts?
|
|||
|
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|
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|
|
> I've always pictured the 'Information Age' as a way to provide information
|
|||
|
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> in a format that I can use and manipulate it the _I_ want to. This
|
|||
|
|
> document is clut- tered up with a bunch of crap to produce pretty _hard
|
|||
|
|
> copy_.
|
|||
|
|
|
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|
|
For the most part, the "Information Age" does provide information in a
|
|||
|
|
usable manner. But EPS files (Encapsulated Postscript) were never promised
|
|||
|
|
to be very manipulative. Especially by Joe User.
|
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|
|
|||
|
|
|
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|
|||
|
|
------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
Zack C Sessions
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
They say, "Money talks". But all mine ever says is, "Goodbye".
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
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|
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|
|||
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|
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|
|
88079 19-JUN 16:32 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: Postscript (Re: Msg 88055)
|
|||
|
|
From: MITHELEN To: PAGAN
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Nah, all you need is a word processing program that handles files in
|
|||
|
|
postscript format, and displays on screen in either WYSIWYG, or strips out
|
|||
|
|
the postscript "commands" and displays that part of the
|
|||
|
|
text in different colors, or whatever.
|
|||
|
|
--
|
|||
|
|
Paul
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
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|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88087 19-JUN 21:03 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: Postscript (Re: Msg 88056)
|
|||
|
|
From: JOHNREED To: PAGAN
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
After that last post I ran the ps2ascii.ps file with a
|
|||
|
|
postscript document and it did a pretty good job of
|
|||
|
|
putting out plain ASCII text. It loused up lists and
|
|||
|
|
tables - turning them into paragraphs, but all in all
|
|||
|
|
not bad.
|
|||
|
|
********************************
|
|||
|
|
A stitch in time --------------------
|
|||
|
|
------ is worth two in the bush
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
John R. Wainwright <<CIS -- 72517,676>> <<DELPHI -- JOHNREED>>
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88058 19-JUN 04:07 General Information
|
|||
|
|
INTERNET
|
|||
|
|
From: COCOKIWI To: ALL
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
WHY is it! That this SIG do NOT have INTERNET GOPHER when most all other
|
|||
|
|
sigs do? noticed that nosing around<grin>...I,m just getting into it and
|
|||
|
|
have to go to pc or Radio sig to use it!
|
|||
|
|
Dennis
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88063 19-JUN 11:37 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: INTERNET (Re: Msg 88058)
|
|||
|
|
From: NIMITZ To: COCOKIWI
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Or, you could use the Internet sig.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
David
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88080 19-JUN 16:35 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: INTERNET (Re: Msg 88063)
|
|||
|
|
From: MITHELEN To: NIMITZ
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
No, I think Dennis has a valid point, and, unforch, I don't have a good
|
|||
|
|
answer for him, as I am not responsible for that part of the SIG. I know it
|
|||
|
|
was planned to do this a long time ago, and just has not been implemented here
|
|||
|
|
yet.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88092 19-JUN 22:17 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: INTERNET (Re: Msg 88063)
|
|||
|
|
From: COCOKIWI To: NIMITZ
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
yeh!<grin>.BUT! I like it here<|-}
|
|||
|
|
Dennis
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88102 20-JUN 07:19 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: INTERNET (Re: Msg 88080)
|
|||
|
|
From: NIMITZ To: MITHELEN
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Actually, I agree with Dennis there, but wanted to point out another connect
|
|||
|
|
point. Since I FTP fairly often, I too would like to see it here. USENET
|
|||
|
|
stuff
|
|||
|
|
is something I access everyday as well.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
David
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88103 20-JUN 08:59 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: INTERNET (Re: Msg 88080)
|
|||
|
|
From: JOELHEGBERG To: MITHELEN
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
> No, I think Dennis has a valid point, and, unforch, I don't have a good
|
|||
|
|
> answer for him, as I am not responsible for that part of the SIG. I kn
|
|||
|
|
e ago, and just has not been
|
|||
|
|
> implemented here yet.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I thought I also remembered hearing about plans to add this feature...
|
|||
|
|
it would be great to have an ftp link on the menu to chestnut.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-- Joel Mathew Hegberg
|
|||
|
|
Delphi : JOELHEGBERG
|
|||
|
|
Internet: JoelHegberg@Delphi.com
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88067 19-JUN 14:30 General Information
|
|||
|
|
Article
|
|||
|
|
From: ISC To: REVWCP
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Brother J,
|
|||
|
|
1. Bill Jumper
|
|||
|
|
2. Age 52 but I look and act 40.
|
|||
|
|
3. Started with a CoCo III at age 50 using both DECB and OS-9. I am not
|
|||
|
|
spectacular at either one.
|
|||
|
|
4. I had formal training in computer architecture and BASIC programming at
|
|||
|
|
IBM where I worked for 25 years. I now run my own business consulting on
|
|||
|
|
laboratory instruments and PCs and Bruker Instruments computers.
|
|||
|
|
5. Can't count either.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Bill
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88068 19-JUN 15:13 General Information
|
|||
|
|
Boot disk woes
|
|||
|
|
From: MROWEN01 To: ALL
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Someone please help me. I can't seem to create a bootable disk to save my
|
|||
|
|
soul! I'm using os9gen and the build goes OK but I get a FAILED BOOT message.
|
|||
|
|
I'm using OS-9 on a Coco 3 with 512k. I am using some modified modules that
|
|||
|
|
have worked in the past. I'm also confuse about the windint and vdgint modules
|
|||
|
|
and what they really are. Right now I can't seem to mix the modules I want on
|
|||
|
|
the same boot disk. Maybe someone can give me a working list to try. I want
|
|||
|
|
to run Multi-vue, SACIA, B&B drivers, and PCDos/RSDos (CC3Disk?) on one disk.
|
|||
|
|
Is this impossible? Even the most basic modules won't seem to create a bootable
|
|||
|
|
disk. All of the altered modules I'm using are from FARNA systems PatchOS9 kit.
|
|||
|
|
Right now I have two disks I can boot from. One has the new CC3Disk that
|
|||
|
|
allows me to run PCDos / RSDos, but now Multiview. The other allows Mutil-View
|
|||
|
|
and SACIA operations, but not PCDos RSDos.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I keep the startup info on the hard disk. The only thing besides the
|
|||
|
|
bootfile on the floppy is the CMDS directory with shell and grfdrv. I
|
|||
|
|
have some understanding of what different modules do, but I have no clue as
|
|||
|
|
to how they can or cannot interact.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-Mike Rowen
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88093 19-JUN 22:31 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: Boot disk woes (Re: Msg 88068)
|
|||
|
|
From: COCOKIWI To: MROWEN01
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
OH god!<grin> get yourself a copy of EZGEN or the other one<with the problems
|
|||
|
|
with B & B> the other will do<Grin> and dump os9gen....Make yor life a lot
|
|||
|
|
easier and save whats left of your HAIR!with one of these programs one can mix
|
|||
|
|
and match,using Os9gen is a pain cause you have to set it up by hand!
|
|||
|
|
if you are using disk drives with os9 rather than Hard drive..use the biggest
|
|||
|
|
drive you can ..ala 720k.....3.5" ones cover that,unless you can find 96tpi
|
|||
|
|
80 trk Drives....hard to find now!
|
|||
|
|
Dennis
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88098 19-JUN 23:14 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: Boot disk woes (Re: Msg 88093)
|
|||
|
|
From: MROWEN01 To: COCOKIWI
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I got a copy of EZGEN with my B&B COCOXT, but it causes errors. Is there
|
|||
|
|
such a utility on-line here?
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-Mike
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88070 19-JUN 15:21 General Information
|
|||
|
|
DISKCAT
|
|||
|
|
From: MROWEN01 To: RICKULAND (NR)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Rick,
|
|||
|
|
In the June issue of 68'micros, you mentioned a shareware program called
|
|||
|
|
Diskcat from Bob Van der Poel. Will this be posted on Delhi? If it's as good a
|
|||
|
|
as you say, I'm anxious to send him $20.00. If it won't be on Delphi, where can
|
|||
|
|
I get it?
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-Mike Rowen
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88076 19-JUN 16:22 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: DISKCAT (Re: Msg 88070)
|
|||
|
|
From: REVWCP To: MROWEN01
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I believe that it is the New Uploads section. If not I will post it.
|
|||
|
|
With all best wishes,
|
|||
|
|
Brother Jeremy, CSJW
|
|||
|
|
OS9 User's Group Treasurer
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88082 19-JUN 17:12 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: DISKCAT (Re: Msg 88076)
|
|||
|
|
From: MROWEN01 To: REVWCP
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Thanks for pointing the way! I looked in the new uploads yesterday, but I missed
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
it somehow. I think I did a search. I must have typed something wrong.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88086 19-JUN 20:04 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: DISKCAT (Re: Msg 88082)
|
|||
|
|
From: JOHNBAER To: MROWEN01
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Mike,
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I have an updated diskcat file to upload here from Bob. It has
|
|||
|
|
both binaries for level 2 and 68K machines included; plus the `C'
|
|||
|
|
source, `make' files, and doc's. Will get to it now.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
--
|
|||
|
|
John -
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
*** Posted with Ved 2.3.1 & IX 1.0.1 ***
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88101 20-JUN 07:16 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: DISKCAT (Re: Msg 88086)
|
|||
|
|
From: NIMITZ To: JOHNBAER
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Great, John. Been looking for complete 68K source for that!
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
DAvid
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88108 20-JUN 21:10 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: DISKCAT (Re: Msg 88101)
|
|||
|
|
From: JOHNBAER To: NIMITZ
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
> Great, John. Been looking for complete 68K source for that!
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Oh ? I thought that diskcat #6 that's in the `new uploads' area has
|
|||
|
|
all the `C' source.. ? What was missing from the package Davis ?
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Well anyway, as soon as Paul checks it, Diskcat #7 will be there.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
--
|
|||
|
|
John -
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
*** Posted with Ved 2.3.1 & IX 1.0.1 ***
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88084 19-JUN 17:28 Applications (6809)
|
|||
|
|
CRC RS 232
|
|||
|
|
From: MRUPGRADE To: ALL
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I have a CRC RS 232 pac. It doens't seem to go into theh multi-pac? (yes,
|
|||
|
|
I'm facing it theh right way) Any suggestions?
|
|||
|
|
And the modem cable will plug in either of 2 ways on thh end of theh pac.
|
|||
|
|
Anyone know which way is up?
|
|||
|
|
Til then,,, Terry Simons
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88100 19-JUN 23:45 Applications (6809)
|
|||
|
|
RE: CRC RS 232 (Re: Msg 88084)
|
|||
|
|
From: WA2EGP To: MRUPGRADE
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Be careful how you tilt it. A little bit of tilt can make aligning the card
|
|||
|
|
edge with the socket difficult. Can't help with the cable.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88085 19-JUN 18:03 System Modules (6809)
|
|||
|
|
rbf32 revisited
|
|||
|
|
From: WDTV5 To: ALL
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Hello everyone; It appears I have a problem thats bit me on a couple of
|
|||
|
|
occassions. I've made up an .ipc file to patch what I thought was the
|
|||
|
|
version of RBF.mn that everyone whose system has had the Nitros-9 touch
|
|||
|
|
should have been using.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Yes, and no. I'm finding that 1.115/1.116 Nitros9 seems to be different for
|
|||
|
|
each user. If it had been only the crc that was different, I could possibly
|
|||
|
|
say that "Well, I changed the at/rv & ty/lg in mine so its properly
|
|||
|
|
identified as native mode, 6309 code by "vfy". I could. But then what do I
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do when the 1.15 someone else has is nearly $B0 bytes longer than mine?
|
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Sooo, the next upload of the .ipc to make RBF.mn edition #32 will be based
|
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on the original edition #28 from my distribution disk. As will any other
|
|||
|
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updates of system modules that I manage to do. Maybe this will ease the
|
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|
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confusion factor involved in trying to track upgrades. Since I'm Nitro'd
|
|||
|
|
here, that means I'll be crossing the border that divides nitros-9 from
|
|||
|
|
os-9. At this point, the hassle factor has me in an I don't care mode.
|
|||
|
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I'm sorry if that offends either Chris or Wes & Co. Each of us is in it far
|
|||
|
|
more for the love of the system than for any prospects of making any money
|
|||
|
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on it anyway, plus the copyrights are MicroWares, not Burke & Burke, Gales
|
|||
|
|
Force Enterprises, or mine.
|
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There should be a side benefit too, pboost users should be able to use it
|
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too.
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Cheers all, Gene
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88088 19-JUN 21:24 General Information
|
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|
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Mail Order Sales Tax
|
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|
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From: PAGAN To: ALL
|
|||
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|
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|
|
Senator Dale Bumpers (D-AR) has introduced legislation (S.1825) that may be
|
|||
|
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of interest to the OS9/OSK user and business community. This legislation,
|
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|
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would require that mail order businesses collect sales tax on all orders
|
|||
|
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based on different exemption schedues and rates depending on where the order
|
|||
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is to be shipped. This would have to be collected even if the company had no
|
|||
|
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presence in the state.
|
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|
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|
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Because OS9/OSK users rely much more on mail order than users of the
|
|||
|
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government's approved architechture and operating systems this bill could
|
|||
|
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have a large effect on the cost of your software and hardware. It would be
|
|||
|
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to your advantage to let your congress critter know how you feel.
|
|||
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|
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|
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The bill is sponsored by:
|
|||
|
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Phone Fax
|
|||
|
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=================== ============== ==============
|
|||
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Dale Bumpers (D-AR) 1-202-224-4843 1-202-224-6435
|
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Thad Cochran (R-MS) 1-202-224-5054 1-202-224-9450
|
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Kent Conrad (D-ND) 1-202-224-2043 1-202-224-7776
|
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Byron Dorgan (D-ND) 1-202-224-2551 1-202-224-1193
|
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|
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Howell Heflin (D-AL) 1-202-224-4124 1-202-224-3149
|
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|
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Dave Boren (D-OK) 1-202-224-4721 1-202-224-3144
|
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|
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Bob Graham (D-FL) 1-202-224-3041 1-202-224-2237
|
|||
|
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Diane Feinstein (D-CA) 1-202-224-3841 1-202-224-0656
|
|||
|
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Daniel Inouye (D-HI) 1-202-224-3934 1-202-224-6747
|
|||
|
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Carl Levin (D-MI) 1-202-224-6221 1-202-224-1388
|
|||
|
|
Harlan Matthews (D-TN) 1-202-224-1036 228-3679 (no area code listed)
|
|||
|
|
Dirk Kempthorne (R-ID) 1-202-224-6142 1-202-224-5893
|
|||
|
|
Tom Harkin (D-IA) 1-202-224-3254 1-202-224-7341
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
The phone numbers given above are from the May 28, 1993 posting on
|
|||
|
|
whitehouse.gov.
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
Stephen (PAGAN)
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
God fights on the side with the heaviest artillery.
|
|||
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|
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|
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|
|||
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|
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|
|
88144 22-JUN 07:12 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: Mail Order Sales Tax (Re: Msg 88088)
|
|||
|
|
From: LMCCLURE To: PAGAN
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
"This legislation, would require that mail order businesses
|
|||
|
|
collect sales tax on all orders based on different exemption
|
|||
|
|
schedues and rates depending on where the order is to be
|
|||
|
|
shipped. This would have to be collected even if the company
|
|||
|
|
had no presence in the state."
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
I'm getting a case of deja vu. Didn't congress just try this about
|
|||
|
|
two years ago? I expect Computer Shopper will be helping lead another
|
|||
|
|
charge against it, along with other computer magazines (many whom depend
|
|||
|
|
heavily on mailorder advertisers). Does congress really think we'll
|
|||
|
|
"not notice" this time?
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
Also, I expect that even if such a bill should pass, it would be
|
|||
|
|
challenged on constitutional grounds.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
It is interesting that a senator from my state is sponsoring the bill.
|
|||
|
|
I'll have to remember that when he next comes up for election.
|
|||
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|
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|
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|
-*-
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
88161 23-JUN 01:09 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: Mail Order Sales Tax (Re: Msg 88144)
|
|||
|
|
From: PAGAN To: LMCCLURE
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
>I'm getting a case of deja vu. Didn't congress just try this about two
|
|||
|
|
>yearear ago? I expect Computer Shopper will be helping lead another charge
|
|||
|
|
>against ituter magazines (many whom depend heavily on mailorder
|
|||
|
|
>advertisers). Does congress really think we'll "not notice" this time?
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I think Congress has tried to sneak this kind of stuff past us every year
|
|||
|
|
since the Civil War (snide reference to the Income Tax :-), but now they
|
|||
|
|
have a decidedly anti small business president to help things along.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
>Also, I expect that even if such a bill should pass, it would be challenged
|
|||
|
|
>on constitutional grounds.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Probably so but...
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
June 13, 1994 (No, not the "Simpson" Murders...) The Supreme Court in U.S.
|
|||
|
|
vs Carlton decides that Congress's _retroactive_ changes to the 1986 Tax
|
|||
|
|
Reform Act were constitutional. Justice Scalia notes that due process
|
|||
|
|
rights are an oxymoron (!) and that all retroactive tax laws will henceforth
|
|||
|
|
be valid. (You only _think_ you've already paid your taxes for 1981)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Not off the point but a bellwether of the kind of protection we can expect
|
|||
|
|
from the Supreme Court when it come to new ways for our government to extort
|
|||
|
|
money from us citizens. Kinda makes you feel warm and protected don't it?
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
>It is interesting that a senator from my state is sponsoring the bill. I'll
|
|||
|
|
>have to remember that when he next comes up for election.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I hope you will write or telephone and let him know how you feel.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Stephen (PAGAN)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88090 19-JUN 21:52 General Information
|
|||
|
|
CoCo stuff for sale
|
|||
|
|
From: LUCKYONE To: ALL
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Tandy/Radio Shack TRS-80
|
|||
|
|
***** COLOR COMPUTER 3 SYSTEM FOR SALE *****
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Selling the whole lot, All or Nothing at All.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
$600.00 or best offer.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
**************************************
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Please contact Dave about this stuff.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Dave Wetzel
|
|||
|
|
(708) 481-2506
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
**************************************
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
HARDWARE
|
|||
|
|
========
|
|||
|
|
CoCo 3 (512k)
|
|||
|
|
Coco 3 (128k)
|
|||
|
|
Two CoCo 2s (one missing space bar)
|
|||
|
|
(one is 64k, other ?)
|
|||
|
|
One 16k Coco 2
|
|||
|
|
2 CM-8 RGB Monitors
|
|||
|
|
Multi-Pak Interface (mod # 26-3124)
|
|||
|
|
FD-501 Dual Disk Drive, 2 other dual drives
|
|||
|
|
2 Cassette recorders
|
|||
|
|
2 Printers (DMP-105,DMP-106)
|
|||
|
|
4 Deluxe Joysticks
|
|||
|
|
RS-232 PAK
|
|||
|
|
2 RS - Color Mouse
|
|||
|
|
Hi - Resolution Joystick Interface
|
|||
|
|
5 Modems - 1 2400
|
|||
|
|
- 2 1200
|
|||
|
|
- 2 300 (1 Direct Connect Modem, DCM - 3)
|
|||
|
|
Monitor Stand
|
|||
|
|
Program Pak Case Holder
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
SOFTWARE
|
|||
|
|
========
|
|||
|
|
[All manuals and documentation are included with each package]
|
|||
|
|
(Too much to list all - here are a few)
|
|||
|
|
OS-9 Level I & II
|
|||
|
|
OS-9 Operating System
|
|||
|
|
Multi-Vue
|
|||
|
|
Profile
|
|||
|
|
Dynacalc
|
|||
|
|
Micro Illustrator(Coco II)
|
|||
|
|
Orchestra 90-cc
|
|||
|
|
Simply Better (word processor)
|
|||
|
|
Coco Graphics Designer Plus(Xtra font,border, & picture disks)
|
|||
|
|
MAX 10 (word processor)
|
|||
|
|
Disk Graphics
|
|||
|
|
Color Disk EDTASM
|
|||
|
|
C-Compiler
|
|||
|
|
Basic-O9
|
|||
|
|
OS9-PASCAL
|
|||
|
|
Home Publisher
|
|||
|
|
Many program paks
|
|||
|
|
etc...
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
BOOKS
|
|||
|
|
=====
|
|||
|
|
Getting Started Extended Color Basic
|
|||
|
|
Extended Color Basic
|
|||
|
|
TRS-80 Color Computer Programs
|
|||
|
|
Color Computer and MC-10 Programs
|
|||
|
|
The Complete Rainbow Guide to OS-9
|
|||
|
|
The Complete Rainbow Guide to OS-9 Level II
|
|||
|
|
6809 Assembly Language Programming (Leventhal)
|
|||
|
|
Color Computer Assembly Language Programming (Barden)
|
|||
|
|
BASIC09 Tour Guide
|
|||
|
|
How To Use Your Radio Shack Printer (Barden)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Many Rainbow Magazines (approx. - 90)
|
|||
|
|
Many disks (some new in box)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Last tested everything worked and is in excellent condition.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Howard Luckey
|
|||
|
|
delphi LUCKYONE
|
|||
|
|
CIS 74746,3207
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
********** By InfoXpress 1.01 **********
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88091 19-JUN 21:53 General Information
|
|||
|
|
formating a floppy on a floptical
|
|||
|
|
From: LUCKYONE To: COLORSYSTEMS
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Hi, Zack.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Have you ever formatted a floppy disk on a floptical drive? If so would
|
|||
|
|
you be willing to pass on the procedure for doing that. I am unable
|
|||
|
|
to figure it out from reading the instructions that came from Dirt
|
|||
|
|
Cheap Computer Stuff.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Thanks, Howard.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Howard Luckey
|
|||
|
|
delphi LUCKYONE
|
|||
|
|
CIS 74746,3207
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
********** By InfoXpress 1.01 **********
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88096 19-JUN 22:43 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: formating a floppy on a floptical (Re: Msg 88091)
|
|||
|
|
From: COLORSYSTEMS To: LUCKYONE
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
> Have you ever formatted a floppy disk on a floptical drive? If so would
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Sorry, don't have a floptical. Eddie Kuns does, give him a hollar!!!
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
68? No way!!!
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
Zack C Sessions
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
They say, "Money talks". But all mine ever says is, "Goodbye".
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88106 20-JUN 20:03 Programmers Den
|
|||
|
|
Renaming a file in C
|
|||
|
|
From: JOELHEGBERG To: ALL
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I'd like to rename a file under C, but I don't seem to see a function to
|
|||
|
|
handle that for me. Is there one, or must I take care of this myself?
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-- Joel Mathew Hegberg
|
|||
|
|
Delphi : JOELHEGBERG
|
|||
|
|
Internet: JoelHegberg@Delphi.com
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88114 20-JUN 22:53 Programmers Den
|
|||
|
|
RE: Renaming a file in C (Re: Msg 88106)
|
|||
|
|
From: COLORSYSTEMS To: JOELHEGBERG
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
> I'd like to rename a file under C, but I don't seem to see a function to
|
|||
|
|
> handle that for me. Is there one, or must I take care of this myself?
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Joel!!
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Took you this long to find this one?!?!?
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
No, there is no standard function to rename a file. Go figure. I wrote
|
|||
|
|
myself a rename(p1,p2) function.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
Zack C Sessions
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
They say, "Money talks". But all mine ever says is, "Goodbye".
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88115 20-JUN 22:57 Programmers Den
|
|||
|
|
RE: Renaming a file in C (Re: Msg 88114)
|
|||
|
|
From: BOISY To: JOELHEGBERG
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Joel:
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Ultra C has a rename() function. If you want to write one, here is
|
|||
|
|
the prototype:
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
#include <stdio.h>
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
int rename(const char *old, const char *new);
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Since the C 3.2 compiler doesn't support const, leave that out of the
|
|||
|
|
parameter list.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
If you need help writing it, let me know.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88121 21-JUN 01:57 Programmers Den
|
|||
|
|
RE: Renaming a file in C (Re: Msg 88106)
|
|||
|
|
From: PAGAN To: JOELHEGBERG
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
>I'd like to rename a file under C, but I don't seem to see a function to
|
|||
|
|
>handle that for me. Is there one, or must I take care of this myself?
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
You'll have to do it yourself. If your talking about changing the directory
|
|||
|
|
entry, you can either fork 'rename' or try opening the directory file and
|
|||
|
|
changing the name yourself. I'd opt for using 'rename' myself :-)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
If you want to change a module name, it's a little more complicated. You
|
|||
|
|
have to load the file into memory and use _mh._mname to locate the current
|
|||
|
|
name. If the new name is the same length or shorter than the original you
|
|||
|
|
can rewrite this field. Otherwise you'll have to put the new name at the
|
|||
|
|
end of the file then update the file size and name pointer. In either case,
|
|||
|
|
you'll have to update the module CRC and header parity.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Stephen (PAGAN)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Gun Control - symptom of a society's lack of confidence in itself.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88123 21-JUN 02:00 Programmers Den
|
|||
|
|
RE: Renaming a file in C (Re: Msg 88114)
|
|||
|
|
From: JOELHEGBERG To: COLORSYSTEMS
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Zack,
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
> Joel!!
|
|||
|
|
> Took you this long to find this one?!?!?
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I guess I never wrote anything that had to rename a file. :)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
> No, there is no standard function to rename a file. Go figure. I wrote
|
|||
|
|
> myself a rename(p1,p2) function.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
sigh... That looks like what I'll have to do... unless I want to cop-out
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and do something like:
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system("rename p1 p2\n");
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<grin>
|
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-- Joel Mathew Hegberg
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Delphi : JOELHEGBERG
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Internet: JoelHegberg@Delphi.com
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-*-
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88124 21-JUN 02:00 Programmers Den
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RE: Renaming a file in C (Re: Msg 88115)
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From: JOELHEGBERG To: BOISY
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Boisy,
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> int rename(const char *old, const char *new);
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What if you aren't using a constant character pointer (such as a pointer
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to malloc'd memory)? (I guess I've just never seen the "const" keyword
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before.)
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> If you need help writing it, let me know.
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Thanks, Boisy... I know how, but was just hoping I wouldn't have to. :)
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-- Joel Mathew Hegberg
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Delphi : JOELHEGBERG
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Internet: JoelHegberg@Delphi.com
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-*-
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88127 21-JUN 05:57 Programmers Den
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RE: Renaming a file in C (Re: Msg 88121)
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From: JOELHEGBERG To: PAGAN
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Stephen,
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> >I'd like to rename a file under C, but I don't seem to see a function to
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> >handle that for me. Is there one, or must I take care of this myself?
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>
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> You'll have to do it yourself. If your talking about changing the
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> directory entry, you can either fork 'rename' or try opening the directory
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> file and changing the name yourself. I'd opt for using 'rename' myself
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> :-)
|
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That's what I was afraid of. I have been using the "rename" utility for
|
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now. I may just leave it like that, although I may have found some
|
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rename C source code thanks to a friend.
|
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-- Joel Mathew Hegberg
|
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Delphi : JOELHEGBERG
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Internet: JoelHegberg@Delphi.com
|
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|
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-*-
|
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|
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88129 21-JUN 20:02 Programmers Den
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RE: Renaming a file in C (Re: Msg 88127)
|
|||
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From: MITHELEN To: JOELHEGBERG
|
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|
|||
|
|
I have some rename code, andthere is also a rename i nthe blars lib, and the
|
|||
|
|
unixlib libraries. If you want me to sent my version to ya, let me know.
|
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|
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-*-
|
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|
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88130 21-JUN 20:11 Programmers Den
|
|||
|
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RE: Renaming a file in C (Re: Msg 88123)
|
|||
|
|
From: COLORSYSTEMS To: JOELHEGBERG
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
> > No, there is no standard function to rename a file. Go figure. I wrote
|
|||
|
|
> > myself a rename(p1,p2) function.
|
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|
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>
|
|||
|
|
> sigh... That looks like what I'll have to do... unless I want to cop-out
|
|||
|
|
> and do something like:
|
|||
|
|
> system("rename p1 p2\n");
|
|||
|
|
> <grin>
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Don't laugh!! Here is my rename function:
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
** rename p2 to p1
|
|||
|
|
*/
|
|||
|
|
#include <errno.h>
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
int rename(p1,p2)
|
|||
|
|
register char *p1, *p2;
|
|||
|
|
{
|
|||
|
|
register char *cp;
|
|||
|
|
if((cp = malloc(strlen(p1)+strlen(p2)+9)) == NULL)
|
|||
|
|
return -1;
|
|||
|
|
sprintf(cp,"rename %s %s",p2,p1);
|
|||
|
|
ret = system(cp);
|
|||
|
|
free(cp);
|
|||
|
|
return ret;
|
|||
|
|
}
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
Zack C Sessions
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
They say, "Money talks". But all mine ever says is, "Goodbye".
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88134 21-JUN 22:29 Programmers Den
|
|||
|
|
RE: Renaming a file in C (Re: Msg 88130)
|
|||
|
|
From: JOELHEGBERG To: COLORSYSTEMS
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
> Don't laugh!! Here is my rename function:
|
|||
|
|
...
|
|||
|
|
> sprintf(cp,"rename %s %s",p2,p1);
|
|||
|
|
> ret = system(cp);
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Ah, excellent. Now I don't feel so bad. <grin>
|
|||
|
|
It works fine... I guess I was always told to try not to have to rely on
|
|||
|
|
external utilities, so when I resorted to running the "rename" utility
|
|||
|
|
instead of linking to some "rename" library function (which should
|
|||
|
|
exist), a little "warning" flag popped up in my brain... :)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-- Joel Mathew Hegberg
|
|||
|
|
Delphi : JOELHEGBERG
|
|||
|
|
Internet: JoelHegberg@Delphi.com
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88135 21-JUN 22:29 Programmers Den
|
|||
|
|
RE: Renaming a file in C (Re: Msg 88129)
|
|||
|
|
From: JOELHEGBERG To: MITHELEN
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Paul,
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
> I have some rename code, andthere is also a rename i nthe blars lib, and
|
|||
|
|
> the unixlib libraries. If you want me to sent my version to ya, let me
|
|||
|
|
> know.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Ken sent me the blarslib, and I'm looking at that code as well. My
|
|||
|
|
program is just a simple utility, so I think I'll stay with what I've
|
|||
|
|
been doing so far (now that I see Zack does it the same way)! :)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-- Joel Mathew Hegberg
|
|||
|
|
Delphi : JOELHEGBERG
|
|||
|
|
Internet: JoelHegberg@Delphi.com
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88137 21-JUN 22:55 Programmers Den
|
|||
|
|
RE: Renaming a file in C (Re: Msg 88134)
|
|||
|
|
From: COLORSYSTEMS To: JOELHEGBERG
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
You can actually do a rename function by opening the directory file(s) in
|
|||
|
|
a NONSHARED mode and changing the filename, but this requires a good
|
|||
|
|
understanding of the structure of a OS9 directory file.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
Zack C Sessions
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
They say, "Money talks". But all mine ever says is, "Goodbye".
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88141 22-JUN 03:00 Programmers Den
|
|||
|
|
RE: Renaming a file in C (Re: Msg 88137)
|
|||
|
|
From: JOELHEGBERG To: COLORSYSTEMS
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Zack,
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
> You can actually do a rename function by opening the directory file(s) in
|
|||
|
|
> a NONSHARED mode and changing the filename, but this requires a good
|
|||
|
|
> understanding of the structure of a OS9 directory file.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Yeah, I was thinking I would do that, but I stuck with using OS-9's
|
|||
|
|
built-in rename, as my program was just a simple utility anyways.
|
|||
|
|
Although, I'm not sure you would need to open the directory in NONSHARED
|
|||
|
|
mode, provided you opened the directory file in "update" (read/write)
|
|||
|
|
mode and read in the directory record to be renamed, changed it, and
|
|||
|
|
then wrote it back out... I believe OS-9's record-locking would keep
|
|||
|
|
things safe.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-- Joel Mathew Hegberg
|
|||
|
|
Delphi : JOELHEGBERG
|
|||
|
|
Internet: JoelHegberg@Delphi.com
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88142 22-JUN 05:02 Programmers Den
|
|||
|
|
RE: Renaming a file in C (Re: Msg 88129)
|
|||
|
|
From: KSCALES To: MITHELEN
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
> I have some rename code, andthere is also a rename i nthe blars lib, and
|
|||
|
|
> the unixlib libraries. If you want me to sent my version to ya, let me
|
|||
|
|
> know.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Paul, unless you have an updated(?) version of 'blarslib.l', do NOT EVER use
|
|||
|
|
the included 'link()' and 'rename()' functions. This library was written
|
|||
|
|
prior to OSK V2.4, and therefore these routines do not take into account
|
|||
|
|
variable-sized sectors. Using them will cause corruption of any disk
|
|||
|
|
(including hard drives, of course) that were formatted with sector sizes
|
|||
|
|
different from 256-bytes.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I believe that Bob's code for these functions was also used for some
|
|||
|
|
versions of the 'os9lib.l' library.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
In other words, caution using any libraries with these calls.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Mike Haaland did an update to these library functions to fix the problem,
|
|||
|
|
and last I heard (over a year ago), was planning to contact Bob Larson to
|
|||
|
|
get permission to release it. I have been using a "mv" command based upon
|
|||
|
|
his update, and his sector-size fix works fine.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Cheers... / Ken
|
|||
|
|
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales@delphi.com CIS:74646,2237
|
|||
|
|
=-=-=-=-=-= Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatible =-=-=-=-=-=
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88149 22-JUN 20:07 Programmers Den
|
|||
|
|
RE: Renaming a file in C (Re: Msg 88141)
|
|||
|
|
From: COLORSYSTEMS To: JOELHEGBERG
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
> Although, I'm not sure you would need to open the directory in NONSHARED
|
|||
|
|
> mode, provided you opened the directory file in "update" (read/write)
|
|||
|
|
> mode and read in the directory record to be renamed, changed it, and
|
|||
|
|
> then wrote it back out... I believe OS-9's record-locking would keep
|
|||
|
|
> things safe.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Dunno where I heard it, but someone said sometime that when you want to modify
|
|||
|
|
a directory file yourself you need to open it in Single user mode for some
|
|||
|
|
reason. Why not test this and report back to us the results! ;-)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
Zack C Sessions
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
They say, "Money talks". But all mine ever says is, "Goodbye".
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88152 22-JUN 23:32 Programmers Den
|
|||
|
|
RE: Renaming a file in C (Re: Msg 88149)
|
|||
|
|
From: RANDYKWILSON To: COLORSYSTEMS
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Zack,
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Like any other file, it all depends on what you want to do to the directory.
|
|||
|
|
OS9's record locking is sector by sector. If the read-modify-write you
|
|||
|
|
want to do stays within a sector boundry (such as this rename), then the
|
|||
|
|
record locking will cover for you. But, if you want to read in the whole,
|
|||
|
|
possibly many sectors long, directory, sort it, then write the whole thing
|
|||
|
|
back, you'll need to lock the file yourself with the no-share bit.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Randy
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88162 23-JUN 01:30 Programmers Den
|
|||
|
|
RE: Renaming a file in C (Re: Msg 88142)
|
|||
|
|
From: MITHELEN To: KSCALES
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Ah ya... I forgot about that... Yes... I fixed that problem in my routines
|
|||
|
|
too... Its been a while since I worked on the MM/1, so I forgot all about
|
|||
|
|
that...
|
|||
|
|
--
|
|||
|
|
Paul
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88164 23-JUN 05:17 Programmers Den
|
|||
|
|
RE: Renaming a file in C (Re: Msg 88152)
|
|||
|
|
From: JOELHEGBERG To: RANDYKWILSON
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Randy,
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
> Like any other file, it all depends on what you want to do to the
|
|||
|
|
> directory. OS9's record locking is sector by sector. If the
|
|||
|
|
> read-modify-write you want to do stays within a sector boundry (such as
|
|||
|
|
> this rename), then the record locking will cover for you. But, if you want
|
|||
|
|
> to read in the whole, possibly many sectors long, directory, sort it, then
|
|||
|
|
> write the whole thing back, you'll need to lock the file yourself with the
|
|||
|
|
> no-share bit.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Maybe that's how it was under 6809 Level II, but under OS-9/68000,
|
|||
|
|
record locking is not dependent on sector boundaries. Here's some
|
|||
|
|
quotes:
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
"Read and ReadLine cause lock out of records only if the file is open in
|
|||
|
|
update mode. The locked out area includes all bytes starting with the
|
|||
|
|
current file pointer and extending for the number of bytes requested."
|
|||
|
|
-- Microware OSK Tech. Ref. manual
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
" (part of an example) 'Process one reads the first 100 bytes of A' ...
|
|||
|
|
With record locking in place, process one would have locked the first
|
|||
|
|
100 bytes of the file when it read them."
|
|||
|
|
-- OS-9 Insights by Peter Dibble
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
"Because RBF records the start position and length of the d<>rea<65>HV,Z<>path, this record locking works correctly for any size data
|
|||
|
|
structure ('record')."
|
|||
|
|
-- The OS-9 Guru by Paul S. Dayan
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
So, I suppose one could just read the entire length of the directory
|
|||
|
|
file into a buffer with one big READ, modify the data, and then write it
|
|||
|
|
back out with one big WRITE and record locking should take care of
|
|||
|
|
everything properly.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-- Joel Mathew Hegberg
|
|||
|
|
Delphi : JOELHEGBERG
|
|||
|
|
Internet: JoelHegberg@Delphi.com
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88165 23-JUN 05:17 Programmers Den
|
|||
|
|
RE: Renaming a file in C (Re: Msg 88149)
|
|||
|
|
From: JOELHEGBERG To: COLORSYSTEMS
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Zack,
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
>> changed it, and then wrote it back out... I believe OS-9's
|
|||
|
|
>> record-locking would keep things safe.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
> Dunno where I heard it, but someone said sometime that when you want to
|
|||
|
|
> modify a directory file yourself you need to open it in Single user mode
|
|||
|
|
> for some reason. Why not test this and report back to us the results! ;-)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Did I ever mention that I like "theoretical" computer science... <grin>
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-- Joel Mathew Hegberg
|
|||
|
|
Delphi : JOELHEGBERG
|
|||
|
|
Internet: JoelHegberg@Delphi.com
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88166 23-JUN 05:17 Programmers Den
|
|||
|
|
RE: Renaming a file in C (Re: Msg 88142)
|
|||
|
|
From: JOELHEGBERG To: KSCALES
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
> Mike Haaland did an update to these library functions to fix the problem,
|
|||
|
|
> and last I heard (over a year ago), was planning to contact Bob Larson to
|
|||
|
|
> get permission to release it. I have been using a "mv" command based
|
|||
|
|
> upon his update, and his sector-size fix works fine.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I have an "mv" command... How can I be sure it's not the wrong version?
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DCheck does report a large (and increasing) number of "Sector xxxxxx
|
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|
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(byte=xxxx bit=x) not in file structure." errors, and I've never been
|
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able to figure out why I keep getting more and more as time goes on...
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or what the errors really mean, for that matter... sigh.
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-- Joel Mathew Hegberg
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Delphi : JOELHEGBERG
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Internet: JoelHegberg@Delphi.com
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88213 26-JUN 01:45 Programmers Den
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RE: Renaming a file in C (Re: Msg 88166)
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From: KSCALES To: JOELHEGBERG
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Hi, Joel -
|
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> I have an "mv" command... How can I be sure it's not the wrong version?
|
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> DCheck does report a large (and increasing) number of "Sector xxxxxx
|
|||
|
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> (byte=xxxx bit=x) not in file structure." errors, and I've never been
|
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> able to figure out why I keep getting more and more as time goes on...
|
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> or what the errors really mean, for that matter... sigh.
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Hmmm... that doesn't sound good. My hard drive is not in very good
|
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|
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shape right now, either -- but for a rather different reason...
|
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|
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"Quantum LPS105, Drive /H0" created on: Jan 6, 1992
|
|||
|
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Capacity: 205524 sectors (512-byte sectors, 1-sector clusters)
|
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13619 free sectors, largest block 43 sectors
|
|||
|
|
6972928 of 105228288 bytes (6.64 of 100.35 Mb) free on media (6%)
|
|||
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22016 bytes (21.50 Kb) in largest free block
|
|||
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|
|||
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That last line (largest free block) is really a nuisance. It's dropped
|
|||
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|
down as low as 14K a couple of times, until I delete stuff. Wouldn't
|
|||
|
|
want to use a tool like Speedisk to defrag it unless I had a recent
|
|||
|
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backup, and I really don't want to back up 93.7 Meg to floppies <whince>.
|
|||
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Currently shopping for another drive. I wanted to buy a tape drive from
|
|||
|
|
Mark in Chicago, but he didn't make there. I tend to have to delete
|
|||
|
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files when I start a new project, just so I have enough room to work...
|
|||
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Haven't installed anything I brought back from Chicago yet.
|
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|
|||
|
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BUT, even at that, here's what 'dcheck' says about it:
|
|||
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|
|||
|
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Volume - 'Quantum LPS105, Drive /H0' on device /dd
|
|||
|
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$0322d4 total sectors on media, 512 bytes per sector
|
|||
|
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$645b bytes in allocation map
|
|||
|
|
1 sector(s) per cluster
|
|||
|
|
Sector $000034 is start of root dir
|
|||
|
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Building allocation map...
|
|||
|
|
$0034 sectors used for id sector and allocation map
|
|||
|
|
Checking allocation map...
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
'Quantum LPS105, Drive /H0' file structure is intact
|
|||
|
|
264 directories, 5200 files
|
|||
|
|
98255360 of 105228288 bytes (93.70 of 100.35 meg) used on media
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
Everything seems to be in order -- even after 2.5 years of use.
|
|||
|
|
So you've definitely got a problem somewhere. Don't know if it would
|
|||
|
|
be the version of 'mv' that you're using -- it could be many things.
|
|||
|
|
(Like there's a version of 'arc', the file copier, that doesn't work
|
|||
|
|
with 512-byte sectors, too.) I don't really know how you would determine
|
|||
|
|
if 'mv' is the culprit, other than trial and error, checking with 'dcheck'
|
|||
|
|
after using it.
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
Regards... / Ken
|
|||
|
|
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales@delphi.com CIS:74646,2237
|
|||
|
|
=-=-=-=-=-= Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatible =-=-=-=-=-=
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
88215 26-JUN 03:27 Programmers Den
|
|||
|
|
RE: Renaming a file in C (Re: Msg 88213)
|
|||
|
|
From: JOELHEGBERG To: KSCALES
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Ken,
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
> That last line (largest free block) is really a nuisance. It's dropped
|
|||
|
|
> down as low as 14K a couple of times, until I delete stuff. Wouldn't
|
|||
|
|
> want to use a tool like Speedisk to defrag it unless I had a recent
|
|||
|
|
> backup, and I really don't want to back up 93.7 Meg to floppies <whince>.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Yeah, 93.7 MB would be quite a backup! :) I still have 16MB of my
|
|||
|
|
120MB hard drive free (5MB in largest block), so I'm still ok there. It
|
|||
|
|
would be nice, as you say, to get another hard drive, and a tape backup
|
|||
|
|
system, though!
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
> BUT, even at that, here's what 'dcheck' says about it:
|
|||
|
|
>
|
|||
|
|
> Volume - 'Quantum LPS105, Drive /H0' on device /dd
|
|||
|
|
> $0322d4 total sectors on media, 512 bytes per sector
|
|||
|
|
> $645b bytes in allocation map
|
|||
|
|
> 1 sector(s) per cluster
|
|||
|
|
> Sector $000034 is start of root dir
|
|||
|
|
> Building allocation map...
|
|||
|
|
> $0034 sectors used for id sector and allocation map
|
|||
|
|
> Checking allocation map...
|
|||
|
|
>
|
|||
|
|
> 'Quantum LPS105, Drive /H0' file structure is intact
|
|||
|
|
> 264 directories, 5200 files
|
|||
|
|
> 98255360 of 105228288 bytes (93.70 of 100.35 meg) used on media
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I get everything that is above, but right after "Checking allocation
|
|||
|
|
map..." I get about 8 screens (it used to be only about 2 or 3 screens)
|
|||
|
|
of "not in allocation map" errors, which is to say the least,
|
|||
|
|
distressing. But, just like your capture above, dcheck finishes up with
|
|||
|
|
a "file structure is intact" message... bizzare.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
> Everything seems to be in order -- even after 2.5 years of use.
|
|||
|
|
> So you've definitely got a problem somewhere. Don't know if it would
|
|||
|
|
> be the version of 'mv' that you're using -- it could be many things.
|
|||
|
|
> (Like there's a version of 'arc', the file copier, that doesn't work
|
|||
|
|
> with 512-byte sectors, too.) I don't really know how you would determine
|
|||
|
|
> if 'mv' is the culprit, other than trial and error, checking with
|
|||
|
|
> 'dcheck' after using it.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
That's what I thought I'd tried before, without success. So I don't
|
|||
|
|
know about mv being the culprit, but I can't think of what else would be
|
|||
|
|
causing it. But, this reminds me, I'm due for a backup. <g> I only
|
|||
|
|
backup important stuff (like sources) and skip the directories with
|
|||
|
|
GIFS, SOUNDS, and such, so I end up only having about 30 or 40 MB to
|
|||
|
|
backup... still quite a bit, but doable.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-- Joel Mathew Hegberg
|
|||
|
|
Delphi : JOELHEGBERG
|
|||
|
|
Internet: JoelHegberg@Delphi.com
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88220 26-JUN 09:27 Programmers Den
|
|||
|
|
RE: Renaming a file in C (Re: Msg 88215)
|
|||
|
|
From: JOHNREED To: JOELHEGBERG
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
>
|
|||
|
|
> I get everything that is above, but right after "Checking allocation
|
|||
|
|
> map..." I get about 8 screens (it used to be only about 2 or 3 screens)
|
|||
|
|
> of "not in allocation map" errors, which is to say the least,
|
|||
|
|
> distressing. But, just like your capture above, dcheck finishes up with
|
|||
|
|
> a "file structure is intact" message... bizzare.
|
|||
|
|
>
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Joel,
|
|||
|
|
I don't know if this is related to your allocation map wierdness
|
|||
|
|
or not, but I have an intermittent problem with my second hard
|
|||
|
|
drive. /H0 is a 170meg Seagate - never a problem. /H1 is a 40meg
|
|||
|
|
Quantum. Sometimes after a cold boot I will find that I can't
|
|||
|
|
access some of the files on /H1. Dcheck will report lots of errors,
|
|||
|
|
much like you describe. The first time this happened, I thought
|
|||
|
|
the Quantum drive had "bit the dust". After some fiddling, I discovered
|
|||
|
|
that a cold restart (power off, power on) fixed it. Dcheck then reports
|
|||
|
|
no problems at all. All I can figure is that the Quantum is a little
|
|||
|
|
slow spinning up to speed, the system boots from the Seagate, and tries
|
|||
|
|
to read the Quantum before it is ready, stashes some garbage in memory
|
|||
|
|
where it won't go away even after a power-on reboot. There is a
|
|||
|
|
built-in cache in the Quantum that may be involved too. So far, the
|
|||
|
|
problem has never produced any "real" damage to /H1 files.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I should mention (for anyone comparing this little buglet with
|
|||
|
|
something on their machine) that this is an MM/1a, 9-meg, and the
|
|||
|
|
Quantum drive is one that was originally sold by Radio Shack as
|
|||
|
|
an upgrade to the Tandy 3000.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
We need some brave volunteer to write an OSK driver for one of those
|
|||
|
|
relatively cheap messydos tape drives that plug into the parallel
|
|||
|
|
port. (Any Takers?). Everything on my hard drives is backed up
|
|||
|
|
(sort of) -- that is it all exists SOMEWHERE on a floppy. I could
|
|||
|
|
rebuild the system from floppies --- in about a week (groan)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
********************************
|
|||
|
|
A stitch in time --------------------
|
|||
|
|
------ is worth two in the bush
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
John R. Wainwright <<CIS -- 72517,676>> <<DELPHI -- JOHNREED>>
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88221 26-JUN 11:24 Programmers Den
|
|||
|
|
RE: Renaming a file in C (Re: Msg 88215)
|
|||
|
|
From: JOHNBAER To: JOELHEGBERG (NR)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Joel,
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
> ... So I don't know about mv being the culprit...
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Just for grins, here's an ident of the `mv' that I have..
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Header for: mv
|
|||
|
|
Module size: $B8A #2954
|
|||
|
|
Owner: 0.3
|
|||
|
|
Module CRC: $3411A7 Good CRC
|
|||
|
|
Header parity: $3A91 Good parity
|
|||
|
|
Edition: $7 #7
|
|||
|
|
Ty/La At/Rev $101 $8001
|
|||
|
|
-s%TY<54>mission: $555 -----e-r-e-r-e-r
|
|||
|
|
Exec off: $4C #76
|
|||
|
|
Data size: $4D6 #1238
|
|||
|
|
Stack size: $C00 #3072
|
|||
|
|
Init. data off: $B5C #2908
|
|||
|
|
Data ref. off: $B70 #2928
|
|||
|
|
Prog Mod, 68000 obj, Sharable
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I've got no problems with it. I do use it, and dcheck the drive at
|
|||
|
|
least once a week. I also use Speedisk with the -v once a week also,
|
|||
|
|
Just to keep things neat <g>. See if yours is the same.. if so, I
|
|||
|
|
don't `think' that this is the cause.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
--
|
|||
|
|
John -
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
*** Posted with Ved 2.3.1 & IX 1.0.1 ***
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88222 26-JUN 11:33 Programmers Den
|
|||
|
|
RE: Renaming a file in C (Re: Msg 88221)
|
|||
|
|
From: RANDYKWILSON To: JOHNBAER (NR)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I use the same version of "mv". Due to this discussion, I ran dcheck for the
|
|||
|
|
first time (drive is three years old). Dcheck reports everything is perfect,
|
|||
|
|
so I suspect this version of mv is okay.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Randy
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88110 20-JUN 21:32 OSK Applications
|
|||
|
|
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 87471)
|
|||
|
|
From: KENTMH To: MROWEN01
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Mike--
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
At the risk of reopening this can of worms (I apologize for my late entry
|
|||
|
|
into this debate, but I just returned from several weeks in Europe, including
|
|||
|
|
Switzerland), I would like to point out that the Bill of Rights had NOTHING to
|
|||
|
|
do with hunting, sport shooting, target practice, weapon collecting or any such
|
|||
|
|
trivial pursuits. The right to bear arms was clearly aimed at preventing laws
|
|||
|
|
which disarmed the public from defending against ANY enemy, foreign or DOMESTIC<
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
who threatened any of the other listed freedoms. In other words, it preserved
|
|||
|
|
the right to bear arms against men -- not deer, geese, ducks, paper targets,
|
|||
|
|
stc.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
The Swiss clearly understand this concept by virtue of their requirement that
|
|||
|
|
EVERY adult male learn the use of arms in a mandatory stint in their defensive
|
|||
|
|
military establishment. We could do well to learn from their example. It is
|
|||
|
|
not
|
|||
|
|
an accident that the Swiss have been recognized as Neutrals in every armed
|
|||
|
|
conflict of this century.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Kent
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88116 20-JUN 23:28 OSK Applications
|
|||
|
|
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 88110)
|
|||
|
|
From: WA2EGP To: KENTMH
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Unforch, soem people may get upset with the continuation of this particular
|
|||
|
|
thread. Most of us have continued in email. (BTW soem=some. Can't type)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88117 20-JUN 23:33 OSK Applications
|
|||
|
|
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 88110)
|
|||
|
|
From: R7kTZ To: KENTMH
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Actually, the Swiss have been recognized as Neutrals in every armed conflict of
|
|||
|
|
this century (and I beleive the last 2 as well!~), because during the later
|
|||
|
|
middle ages, Swiss Pikesmen slaughtered a large number 3еKV<4B>VZg a
|
|||
|
|
variety of wars. They
|
|||
|
|
killed so many people that their armed forces are respected to this day. In
|
|||
|
|
fact, for the 14th century, the pike was considered roughly equivalent to our
|
|||
|
|
atom bomb.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
David
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88118 21-JUN 00:54 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: shellplus (Re: Msg 88007)
|
|||
|
|
From: CHYDE To: MMCCLELLAND
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I take it that you ge the login shell, but your startup is not executed?
|
|||
|
|
If so then make sure that startup is on the default drive (/dd), since
|
|||
|
|
the shell looks for it there (and it's called startup).
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
As far as loading and running programs from the startup script a sample
|
|||
|
|
would be useful. If you just want to load it into memory try this:
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
load /dd/cmds/program_name
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
If you are trying to run a program from your startup script it gets more
|
|||
|
|
complicated. If it's just a single program (and you don't need the terminal
|
|||
|
|
shell) simply rename the program autoex. After running the startup script
|
|||
|
|
the login shell looks for /dd/cmds/autoex and executes if it finds it.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
If you're trying to run multiple programs from the startup script then
|
|||
|
|
what you do depends on whether the program is interactive or not. To
|
|||
|
|
start a second shell put this line in your startup script:
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
shell i=/w4&
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
This will start an imortal shell in the fourth window. To start another
|
|||
|
|
type of interactive program (say KbCom) try:
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
kbcom <>>>/w4&
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
which will start KbCom in window 4 (providing that nothing is already running
|
|||
|
|
in that window).
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I hope this gets you started, if not let me know.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Chris
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88119 21-JUN 01:18 Rainbow OS-9 Material ($)
|
|||
|
|
RE: OS9 LEVEL II (Re: Msg 87960)
|
|||
|
|
From: DONALDS To: CADELLE (NR)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
My address is :
|
|||
|
|
Don Strunk
|
|||
|
|
4628 Robin Dr.
|
|||
|
|
Sagle, ID 83860
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
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I can be reach here if you wish to purchase my copy of OS9 please enclude a
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couple bucks for shipping.
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Don
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88126 21-JUN 04:39 Programmers Den
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lzh
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From: WDTV5 To: DSRTFOX (NR)
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Go check your mailbox, I sent a copy in case you don't have it. Cheers, Gene
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88128 21-JUN 09:37 General Information
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KEN-TON SCSI interface
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From: KENFLANAGAN To: ALL
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Could anyone that has this interface let me know if they have a manual or
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something similar for theirs? I need information about adding the SmartWatch
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to it (I was told when I ordered it, that to get RTC with it, I needed to add
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a SmartWatch chip). I've had the SmartWatch for quite some time, but plugged
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into the second socket in my J&M floppy controller, and everytime I have to
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re-boot OS-9, I have to flip the switch, type DOS, and then flip it back. I
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want to avoid this. I installed a socket in the 28 pin area, and added the
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SmartWatch, but it will not work (yes, I made sure I used the right getclk for
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the new slot). Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
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88132 21-JUN 21:14 Programmers Den
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C question
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From: ALWAGNER To: COLORSYSTEMS
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I am currently involved in translating an engineering program written
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in Q-BASIC into C. This is then to be compiled and run on an Intel 486
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based system running UNIX. Since that last "foot in mouth" episode, I
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have gained a great deal of respect for your C programing abilities and do
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not wish to create a similar problem to the one that started that thread,
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that is running out of stack space and/or memory. I am developing the
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translation on my Lvl II Coco3 using Ansifront to allow ANSI C to be used.
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My question is that since this has the potential for becoming a large
|
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program by Coco standards, is there a way to "chain" programs together as
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is done in BASIC or to say it another way, to call another seperate
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program into memory, pass parameters to it, have it execute, and have the
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called program pass info back? I think I understand function calls, but
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aren't they part of the calling program, as far as memory is concerned,
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once the compiling has been done? The idea here is that no one program
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would require more than 64k. The solution should be something that could
|
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be carried over to the eventual platform for this endeavor which is the
|
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above mentioned Intel 486 running UNIX. Thank you for your time and
|
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consideration of this question.
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88136 21-JUN 22:49 Programmers Den
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RE: C question (Re: Msg 88132)
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From: COLORSYSTEMS To: ALWAGNER
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Why is the development being done on a CoCo as opposed to the 486 machine?
|
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Doing the development on the CoCo severely limits you in many respects to
|
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what you can do.
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No, there is no "chaining" facility in CoCo C, but you can implment it
|
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using data modules for shared data and forking child processes to execute
|
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the chained module. Big mess. Not recommended.
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I would recommend in this case to use the 486 to develop the app.
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------------------------------------
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Zack C Sessions
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They say, "Money talks". But all mine ever says is, "Goodbye".
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88143 22-JUN 06:45 Programmers Den
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RE: C question (Re: Msg 88132)
|
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From: JEJONES To: ALWAGNER
|
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> ...is there a way to "chain" programs
|
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> together as is done in BASIC or to say it another way, to call another
|
|||
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> seperate program into memory, pass parameters to it, have it execute, and
|
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> have the called program pass info back?
|
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Well...there is a CHAIN command in BASIC09, which is essentially a hook to
|
|||
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the F$Chain system call, but that does NOT leave the caller around to
|
|||
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get information back from the other program. (F$Chain is sort of like the
|
|||
|
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bad movie in which a process goes on to certain death so that some other
|
|||
|
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process can live. :-) You can spawn another process without having to die,
|
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and under Level 2 the child process will get its own address space, but it
|
|||
|
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will have to pass any information back via some mechanism such as a data
|
|||
|
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module it shares with the parent or a file it writes for the parent to read.
|
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Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.
|
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Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside
|
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-*-
|
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88182 24-JUN 18:01 Programmers Den
|
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RE: C question (Re: Msg 88136)
|
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From: ALWAGNER To: COLORSYSTEMS
|
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|
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|
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My access to the 486 system is very limited at this time and my access on
|
|||
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|
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|
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the Coco is limitied only by the time I have to spend. When I limited
|
|||
|
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I should say virtually non existent. The project is in part to convince
|
|||
|
|
my employer to let me have access to the computer. I guess then I will just
|
|||
|
|
have to be very selective in how I do the programming. Thanks anyway.
|
|||
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-*-
|
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|
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88183 24-JUN 18:04 Programmers Den
|
|||
|
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RE: C question (Re: Msg 88143)
|
|||
|
|
From: ALWAGNER To: JEJONES
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
answering, but the end result is to be a program that runs on an
|
|||
|
|
MSDOS machine running UNIX. Unfortunately, UNIX and the MSDOS machine are
|
|||
|
|
ignorant of BASIC09.
|
|||
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|
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-*-
|
|||
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|
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End of Thread.
|
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|
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-*-
|
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|
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|
|
88133 21-JUN 21:32 General Information
|
|||
|
|
HD
|
|||
|
|
From: CLTUCKER To: COCOKIWI
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
Thks. Dennis for the info. Ahh the COCO. Always another challenge.(g)
|
|||
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|
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-*-
|
|||
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|
|||
|
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88139 22-JUN 00:34 System Modules (6809)
|
|||
|
|
RBF32
|
|||
|
|
From: VE3DAC To: WDTV5
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Got RBF32.mn created just fine. I have tested LHA and Undel, both are ok.
|
|||
|
|
Maybe you should just bundle the docs from rbf31_2_32, with the new .ipc
|
|||
|
|
and have that available here. We must all have the original RBF so I think
|
|||
|
|
anks for the extra work creating the new .ipc.
|
|||
|
|
Cheerio
|
|||
|
|
Merv
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
88157 23-JUN 00:46 System Modules (6809)
|
|||
|
|
RE: RBF32 (Re: Msg 88139)
|
|||
|
|
From: WDTV5 To: VE3DAC
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
You're welcome. I think I did, its still sitting in my workspace, exactly
|
|||
|
|
as I sent it to you. If it worked, then I'll submit it. I just didn't want
|
|||
|
|
Wes to think I was trying an end run around his efforts in doing Nitros9
|
|||
|
|
in the first place. He has done far more in much less time than I have and
|
|||
|
|
I'm the first to admit it. Speed does sometimes have its downside, as I
|
|||
|
|
found out when doing my vfy, I think at one time there were 5 versions
|
|||
|
|
available because of the daily bug swatting going on, same for my gsort.
|
|||
|
|
It went thru 12 revisions before I had them all (hopefully) stomped. Bad
|
|||
|
|
show. Cheers, Gene
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
88172 23-JUN 22:05 System Modules (6809)
|
|||
|
|
RE: RBF32 (Re: Msg 88157)
|
|||
|
|
From: VE3DAC To: WDTV5
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Wes Gale is no longer asociated with Nitro but his co-conspirators are
|
|||
|
|
going to carry on, as you probably read, Ver 1.20 will be ready soon. I have
|
|||
|
|
suggested to Curtis Boyle that he contact you if he would like to have RBF32
|
|||
|
|
released with V1.20. He may already have done something with RBF since he
|
|||
|
|
was aware that 1.16 was in trouble. At least you are now aware of my
|
|||
|
|
meddling, <G>.
|
|||
|
|
TTFN
|
|||
|
|
Merv
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
88175 23-JUN 22:45 System Modules (6809)
|
|||
|
|
RE: RBF32 (Re: Msg 88172)
|
|||
|
|
From: WDTV5 To: VE3DAC
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Ah so.. Humm. As far as I'm concerned, he could use it as long as I get
|
|||
|
|
the credit for that particular bit of rework. However, I don't think it should
|
|||
|
|
be on an exclusive basis. I have another 28_32 file waiting in submissions
|
|||
|
|
that will take the distribution rbf as "oldfile" input to ipatch. Paul has
|
|||
|
|
my perms to make it visible, regradless (regardless) of whether or not its used
|
|||
|
|
in 1.20.
|
|||
|
|
Meddling? No, not as far as I'm concerned. Cheers Merv, Gene
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88177 24-JUN 01:03 System Modules (6809)
|
|||
|
|
RE: RBF32 (Re: Msg 88175)
|
|||
|
|
From: VE3DAC To: WDTV5
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Well I'll leave it to you and Curtis to work out the credit, if it goes
|
|||
|
|
into the release. I will passRBF32 (the .ipc) to Gene Krenciglowa (LHA)
|
|||
|
|
since he is a powerboost user and see how it works under that 6309 system.
|
|||
|
|
Merv
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88140 22-JUN 02:09 Programmers Den
|
|||
|
|
RE: OS-9 Live! (Re: Msg 88002)
|
|||
|
|
From: LARRYOLSON To: JOELHEGBERG
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Joel,
|
|||
|
|
I hope someone will be keeping a transcript of the conference, I would
|
|||
|
|
like to be there, but I have to work.
|
|||
|
|
Maybe it will still be going when I get home about 12:30 am <g>
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Larry
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
----- Larry Olson -----
|
|||
|
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|
|||
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|
-*-
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
88150 22-JUN 22:06 General Information
|
|||
|
|
OS-9 hacker community..
|
|||
|
|
From: ILLUSIONIST To: ALL
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Well, the standard media representation of hackers (those that break into
|
|||
|
|
systems, commit credit card fraud etc) must exist in the OS-9 world..
|
|||
|
|
I recently "discovered" a program called CCv.. on some old PD/shareware
|
|||
|
|
disks in my local CoCo club.. still in its .PAK file.. from what I can
|
|||
|
|
see that program somehow "generates" credit card numbers..or, validates
|
|||
|
|
an existing number.. it must do it all internally, with some sort of
|
|||
|
|
algorithm.. (they come out pretty fast, so it cant be that complex, probably
|
|||
|
|
some "check-digit" or "CRC"-type thing..) ...anyway..I just figured I would
|
|||
|
|
post a message about it.. after thinking about the numbers it generates,
|
|||
|
|
I doubt they even work because all the systems would call the credit guys
|
|||
|
|
to run a credit check, and make sure the card isnt over the limit..and,
|
|||
|
|
this program doesnt list exp. dates....well, at least we know what "tastefull"
|
|||
|
|
hackers are using.. a CoCo running OS-9 .. :) ..I wish whoever wrote this
|
|||
|
|
included source, I would like to get a look at the algorithm..
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-* Mike
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
88163 23-JUN 05:17 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: OS-9 hacker community.. (Re: Msg 88150)
|
|||
|
|
From: JOELHEGBERG To: ILLUSIONIST
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Mike,
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
> Well, the standard media representation of hackers (those that break into
|
|||
|
|
> systems, commit credit card fraud etc) must exist in the OS-9 world..
|
|||
|
|
> I recently "discovered" a program called CCv.. on some old PD/shareware
|
|||
|
|
> disks in my local CoCo club.. still in its .PAK file.. from what I can
|
|||
|
|
> see that program somehow "generates" credit card numbers..or, validates
|
|||
|
|
> an existing number.. it must do it all internally, with some sort of
|
|||
|
|
> algorithm.. (they come out pretty fast, so it cant be that complex,
|
|||
|
|
> probably some "check-digit" or "CRC"-type thing..) ...anyway..I just
|
|||
|
|
> wish whoever wrote this included source, I would like to get a look at the
|
|||
|
|
> algorithm..
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
The algorithm is very simple, indeed. I will try and look it up for you
|
|||
|
|
soon. It has something to do with adding up every other digit on the
|
|||
|
|
card and dividing by a number, if I remember correctly. Whether you
|
|||
|
|
started with the first or second number depended on whether there were
|
|||
|
|
an even or odd number of digits on the card. The algorithm has been
|
|||
|
|
published in "2600 - The Hacker Quarterly"... the rather controversial
|
|||
|
|
hackers magazine.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-- Joel Mathew Hegberg
|
|||
|
|
Delphi : JOELHEGBERG
|
|||
|
|
Internet: JoelHegberg@Delphi.com
|
|||
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|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|||
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|
|||
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|
-*-
|
|||
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|
|
|||
|
|
88169 23-JUN 18:22 General Information
|
|||
|
|
Avatex 1200 modem
|
|||
|
|
From: STEWARD To: ALL
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I'm looking for the power requirements for a Avatex 1200 modem. The manual
|
|||
|
|
dosn't say, and my friend who wants me to look at it, dosn't have it.
|
|||
|
|
Thanx in advance
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
88171 23-JUN 21:11 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: Avatex 1200 modem (Re: Msg 88169)
|
|||
|
|
From: CHARLESAM To: STEWARD
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I believe its 12VAC-830mA,MAX 14VAC-500mA. Hope this helps. Charlie
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
88195 25-JUN 09:44 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: Avatex 1200 modem (Re: Msg 88171)
|
|||
|
|
From: STEWARD To: CHARLESAM
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Thanks for the info. Will give it a shot
|
|||
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|
|||
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-*-
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|||
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|
|||
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-*-
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
88178 24-JUN 01:09 System Modules (6809)
|
|||
|
|
Gene's Ramdisk
|
|||
|
|
From: VE3DAC To: WDTV5
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
With all that information I am now using 'myram'. Now to update my
|
|||
|
|
various other boot disks. Sure is going to be strange losing my old pal
|
|||
|
|
'Rammer'. It goes back to my starting with Lev 2, one of the few unmodified
|
|||
|
|
things over all those years. It is nice being able to change the R0 to do
|
|||
|
|
a large unarc and then pop back to the standard 130K. Thanks for the
|
|||
|
|
Ramdisk and extra help updating my knowledge.
|
|||
|
|
Cheers
|
|||
|
|
Merv
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
88179 24-JUN 04:43 OSK Applications
|
|||
|
|
RE: LHA filename truncating (Re: Msg 87907)
|
|||
|
|
From: TELENUT To: VAXELF
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
John
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Yea, I was there. Take a look at your show guide (everyone saves 'em don't
|
|||
|
|
they?) and look for Digigrade Productions. I saw the Trek game, pretty spiffy,
|
|||
|
|
and everything on one screen! No more listing stats like in other search and
|
|||
|
|
destroy games.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Also thought KTerm was pretty spiffy, how can you improve Tascom? Point and
|
|||
|
|
click. Nice. If more things were ported over from OS9/6X09
|
|||
|
|
it would help OS9 and the MM/1 a whole lot.
|
|||
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*YAWN* Have a lot of forum catching up to do, see you online.
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Dave Pellerito
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88180 24-JUN 09:51 OSK Applications
|
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RE: LHA filename truncating (Re: Msg 88179)
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From: JEJONES To: TELENUT
|
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Speaking of spiffy, I'm impressed with the Compiler Video Magazine.
|
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It's good to actually be able to see a program in operation before
|
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you buy--so I hope to see many more reviews in future issues. (Only
|
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thing I'd say in the way of possible improvement is that there are
|
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some stretches of silence that might benefit from background music.)
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Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.
|
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Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside
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88219 26-JUN 05:47 OSK Applications
|
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RE: LHA filename truncating (Re: Msg 88180)
|
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From: TELENUT To: JEJONES
|
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Thanks for the input James. Reviews seem to be the strongest point. I have
|
|||
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gotten some other feedback about background 'noises' and what to do about
|
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that. I need any developers out there to send in software to be demoed. The
|
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first demo or ad (done by me from literature or by you from video or cassette
|
|||
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tape) is allways free.
|
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I had been messing around with video equipmet for about 10 years and
|
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thought I was ready to put my production skills to work and I guess I was
|
|||
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right, not to blow my own horn <g>. It can only improve, and the second issue
|
|||
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I think has improved twofold over the first. I am getting together a disk of
|
|||
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utils I have been working on (that was supposed to be shipped to subscribers
|
|||
|
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the 15th) and you should recive it within the week.
|
|||
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|
|||
|
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Anyone who has material to submit just send me EMAIL and I'll fill you in
|
|||
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from there.
|
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Enjoy!
|
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Dave Pellerito <TELENUT>
|
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Digigrade Productions
|
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|
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P.S. More info in the Database here. READ DIGIGRADE
|
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|
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End of Thread.
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88181 24-JUN 15:09 General Information
|
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|
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Developers Pak
|
|||
|
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From: MROWEN01 To: ALL
|
|||
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|
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|
|
I keep hearing about things that only come in the OS9 LII Dev pak. Is tsmon
|
|||
|
|
one of the things on the pak? What is the part number for this item? I want
|
|||
|
|
to purchase it for my Coco3. I've heard that it may still be available from
|
|||
|
|
Radio Shack. What other modules come with this pack that were part of Level I
|
|||
|
|
but skipped in Level II?
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
-Mike
|
|||
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|
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|
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|
|
88184 24-JUN 21:07 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: Developers Pak (Re: Msg 88181)
|
|||
|
|
From: JOEGERBER To: MROWEN01
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
MIKE:
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
SORRY, I DON'T HAVE THE # AVAIL. RIGHT NOW, BUT IN ANSWER TO YOUR OTHER
|
|||
|
|
QUESTION...
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
THE RMA (LV. 2) ASSEMBLER--THIS ALSO INCLUDES A LEVEL 2 DEFS FILE FOR THE ASM
|
|||
|
|
ASSEMBLER
|
|||
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|
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|
|
LOGIN (TO GO WITH TSMON), SLEEP, BINEX/EXBIN (TO/FROM MOTOROLLA S-FORMAT),
|
|||
|
|
DUMP, PARK (HARDDISK)
|
|||
|
|
RANDISK, HARDDISK, AND NULL DEVICE DRIVERS/DESCRIPTORS
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
AND A BINARY EDITOR/DEBUGGER, AND A SCREEN-BASED TEXT EDITOR.
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
(NOTE: I HAVE NOT USED TSMON/LOGIN, BUT HAVE HEARD THAT IT IS NOT VERY
|
|||
|
|
GOOD...FOR ONE THING, THE SYS/PASSWORD FILE IS ASCII.)
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
HOPE THIS HELPS,
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
JOE GERBER
|
|||
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|
|||
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|
-*-
|
|||
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|
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|
End of Thread.
|
|||
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|
|||
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|
-*-
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
88186 24-JUN 21:17 Telecom (6809)
|
|||
|
|
RE: 9600 (Re: Msg 87794)
|
|||
|
|
From: JEVESTAL To: MITHELEN (NR)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
> Sure, it isa superior _protocal_, but the current implementation on
|
|||
|
|
> the CoCo is not written as effeciently as existing CoCo ymodem
|
|||
|
|
> routines... Whats needed is for someone to write Zmodem routines for the
|
|||
|
|
> CoCo from scratch,
|
|||
|
|
> that way it can be written cleanly from the start.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Thanks Paul. I've decided that I'm going to send my spare CoCo off to have
|
|||
|
|
the 6309 installed and then get NitroOS9 and that should allow me to
|
|||
|
|
use 9600 baud without errors (I hope). Until then I'm satified with 4800
|
|||
|
|
baud, even if uploads are only at 300 cps.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Jim
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88187 24-JUN 21:18 Telecom (6809)
|
|||
|
|
RE: 9600 (Re: Msg 87796)
|
|||
|
|
From: JEVESTAL To: JEJONES
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
> > But ymodem (on Supercomm) sends files with an average speed of 400+CPS
|
|||
|
|
> > (at 4800)... I thought Zmodem was supposed to be superior to ymodem.
|
|||
|
|
>
|
|||
|
|
> Well...yes, but:
|
|||
|
|
>
|
|||
|
|
> 1. zmodem is a "sliding windows" protocol, which means that the receiver
|
|||
|
|
> has to be able to write the packet it just received to disk while the
|
|||
|
|
> next packet is coming in.
|
|||
|
|
>
|
|||
|
|
> 2. Like the original poster said, the author of rz/sz wrote it for Unix,
|
|||
|
|
> and it doesn't do things one would definitely want to do under OS-9,
|
|||
|
|
> like notice how many bytes are ready to read and get them all at once
|
|||
|
|
> to minimize system call overhead. It would take some work to modify
|
|||
|
|
> or maintain rz/sz--it has many conditional compilation directives to
|
|||
|
|
> work on various flavors of Unix. A couple of places in the source
|
|||
|
|
> appear unaffected by the "structured programming" movement of the
|
|||
|
|
> late 60s and early 70s.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Thanks James. Like I told Paul in my reply to his message to me I'm
|
|||
|
|
planning to send my spare CoCo to have the 6309 installed so that if
|
|||
|
|
I get NitroOS9 I should have no problems use 9600 baud.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Later,
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Jim
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88189 24-JUN 21:30 General Information
|
|||
|
|
Rammer
|
|||
|
|
From: CLTUCKER To: ALL
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Rammer? What is Rammer used for. Can it be used in C for Source? Maybe speed
|
|||
|
|
up the compiling process? (g)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88191 24-JUN 22:32 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: Rammer (Re: Msg 88189)
|
|||
|
|
From: WDTV5 To: CLTUCKER
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Rammer was a ramdisk driver/descriptor package written (released) by Kevin
|
|||
|
|
Darling for os9 level 2 back in 1987. Its been used by some for compiling
|
|||
|
|
as the compiler executives "cc" whose latest variation is cc_2_5_2 as
|
|||
|
|
inter-program file storage, faster than a floppy by far, and somewhat faster
|
|||
|
|
than a hard drive. I just submitted "myram" as a replacement for it.
|
|||
|
|
Rammer, as I understood it (I never did really) needed formatting before
|
|||
|
|
use. myram doesn't, just start writing to it. Its still faster than a
|
|||
|
|
hard drive, but not by a lot if the hard drive is quick. Mine can do
|
|||
|
|
the test program called "megaread" which does just that, reads a megabyte
|
|||
|
|
from the drive and times it, in 13 seconds. But I can recall when my old
|
|||
|
|
seagate 238r was 67 seconds too. Handy? Like that well known button on the
|
|||
|
|
well known door!
|
|||
|
|
Cheers - Gene
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88194 25-JUN 00:58 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: Rammer (Re: Msg 88191)
|
|||
|
|
From: ISC To: WDTV5
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Gene,
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I use rammer for the downloading disk with Supercomm and do most of my
|
|||
|
|
downloading to it as a 160K ramdisk. I may switch to yours, though, now
|
|||
|
|
that you have "perfected" it. I like to use the ramdisk on my 512K CoCo
|
|||
|
|
with Zmodem downloads.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Bill
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88197 25-JUN 16:33 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: Rammer (Re: Msg 88191)
|
|||
|
|
From: CLTUCKER To: WDTV5
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Got the info on "myram". I'll give it a go. Do you know where th get
|
|||
|
|
the 'sz' & 'rz' for use in Z modem dow as mentioned in SuperComm?(g)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88198 25-JUN 17:12 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: Rammer (Re: Msg 88197)
|
|||
|
|
From: JRUPPEL To: CLTUCKER
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Sz and rz are here in the Telecommunications database (dat tel). Just do a
|
|||
|
|
"se zmodem" and it'll come up. Good luck!
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
John Ruppel
|
|||
|
|
CocoNuts in Lansing
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88205 25-JUN 21:58 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: Rammer (Re: Msg 88197)
|
|||
|
|
From: WDTV5 To: CLTUCKER
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Yup, right here in the database :from the main menu enter dat tel, then
|
|||
|
|
sea sz, which should link you to the main body of rz/sz offerings. You want
|
|||
|
|
version 3.24. There are older versions too unless Paul has deleted them.
|
|||
|
|
Cheers - Gene
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88208 25-JUN 22:39 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: Rammer (Re: Msg 88205)
|
|||
|
|
From: CLTUCKER To: WDTV5
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I found the rzsz in Telcom.
|
|||
|
|
Tried both versions in cmds dir. Looks like they try to do a z down but
|
|||
|
|
nothing happens. I use a 512 COCO. Is this a big deal? How do you get
|
|||
|
|
the black B as in Buffer to blink. Just the Ctrl M dosen't work.(g)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88209 25-JUN 22:57 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: Rammer (Re: Msg 88208)
|
|||
|
|
From: WDTV5 To: CLTUCKER
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Humm, didjA TURN on the zmodem option in supercomm? If not on, it doesn"t
|
|||
|
|
monitor for the *0000 string in the incoming data. On receipt of the trigger
|
|||
|
|
string, it then forks rz (for receive) and goes to sleep till rz returns.
|
|||
|
|
Ditto for sz, but in each case, it appears that delphi is the one issueing
|
|||
|
|
the start trigger strings. The syntax to delphi is to enter "zd #,#,etc"
|
|||
|
|
when you"ve "read" the file. the pair of ## assumes ythere is more than
|
|||
|
|
one file in this family, as listed on your screen, and you want to dload
|
|||
|
|
number # and number # of the list. Hope this helps. Looks like latin at
|
|||
|
|
first, but once you see it work, you'll wonder how you ever got by without
|
|||
|
|
it! Cheers - Gene
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88190 24-JUN 21:32 General Information
|
|||
|
|
G Windows
|
|||
|
|
From: MRUPGRADE To: ALL
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
You guys who seem to get excitrted about seeing a window or two,, might
|
|||
|
|
wanna see theh For Sale section on theh CoCo SIG side.
|
|||
|
|
One computer listed (for sale) heading "Super Gamae Machine",, has
|
|||
|
|
enought windows to make a green house.
|
|||
|
|
Or thh average OS'er will look and say, "Geee Windows"!
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Til then,,, Terry Simons
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88196 25-JUN 14:44 Programmers Den
|
|||
|
|
CoCo/OSK C compilers
|
|||
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: ALL
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Here's a little "feature" of the MW OSK C compiler I _BELIEVE_ I've
|
|||
|
|
stumbled across. It could be common knowledge, but I'd never heard of
|
|||
|
|
it myself. Seems that with a structure, from what I can determine, a
|
|||
|
|
block of characters joined by an int, float, and ???, will have a
|
|||
|
|
character added if the total for that blockof characters is odd. This
|
|||
|
|
won't hurt the program, but would cause problems in sharing files with
|
|||
|
|
systems that don't do this. I found this by trying to port a prog from
|
|||
|
|
the coco to OSK. I was looking for int's, but was surprised in the
|
|||
|
|
filesize incongruity with structures containing only floats & chars. It
|
|||
|
|
seems that the following will result;
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
* char a1[x];char c1[y];int b1 : if a1+c1=odd, one byte added, same
|
|||
|
|
* if int b1 before the two.
|
|||
|
|
* char a1[x];int b1;char c1[y] : if EITHER a1 OR c1 = odd, one byte
|
|||
|
|
* added, if both odd, 2 bytes added.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
* sizeof() reports correctly the actual size, reflecting any
|
|||
|
|
* additional bytes added. If this is news, and anyone wants to
|
|||
|
|
* play around with it, here's a little routine for it.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
struct { /* Play around with the order of the elements...*/
|
|||
|
|
char a1[24];
|
|||
|
|
int b1;
|
|||
|
|
char c1;
|
|||
|
|
} S1;
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
char a2;
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
main()
|
|||
|
|
{
|
|||
|
|
printf(" Size of S1 : %d\n", sizeof(S1) );
|
|||
|
|
printf(" Actual Size : %d\n\n", (int)(&a2)-(int)(&S1) );
|
|||
|
|
printf(" Totals of els: %d\n",
|
|||
|
|
sizeof(S1.a1)+sizeof(S1.b1)+sizeof(S1.c1) );
|
|||
|
|
}
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Another difference between the CoCo and the OSK compilers, although
|
|||
|
|
insignificant, I suppose, is in mktemp(). The OSK mktemp checks the
|
|||
|
|
directory for a unique tmpfile name, probably doing an "Open". It exits
|
|||
|
|
with Error #216 in "errno" - Coco doesn't. I like to end a program
|
|||
|
|
with "exit(errno)", which looks kinda messy. Guess I'll either have
|
|||
|
|
to cleanup after mktemp (and others???) or do an exit(0) <G>.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-- David Breeding --
|
|||
|
|
CompuServe : 72330,2051
|
|||
|
|
Delphi : DBREEDING
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
|
|||
|
|
^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88204 25-JUN 19:38 Programmers Den
|
|||
|
|
RE: CoCo/OSK C compilers (Re: Msg 88196)
|
|||
|
|
From: JEJONES To: DBREEDING
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
> Here's a little "feature" of the MW OSK C compiler I _BELIEVE_ I've
|
|||
|
|
> stumbled across. It could be common knowledge, but I'd never heard of
|
|||
|
|
> it myself.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Well...I don't know if it's common knowledge, but it's true. Here's
|
|||
|
|
the reason for it: the 6809 is perfectly willing to load an integer
|
|||
|
|
at whatever address. The 68000 will take an error 103 (address trap
|
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error) if you try to load a 16-bit or 32-bit quantity at an odd address.
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Because of this (and other considerations--for example, a 68020 is
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willing to load a two or four-byte integer at any address, but it
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takes longer), the ANSI C standard says that a compiler is free to
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insert padding between fields of a structure or after the last one
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as needed to satisfy the alignment requirements of the structure's
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members.
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Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.
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Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside
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88232 26-JUN 14:22 Programmers Den
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RE: CoCo/OSK C compilers (Re: Msg 88204)
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From: DBREEDING To: JEJONES (NR)
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> > Here's a little "feature" of the MW OSK C compiler I _BELIEVE_ I've
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> > stumbled across. It could be common knowledge, but I'd never heard of
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> > it myself.
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>
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> Well...I don't know if it's common knowledge, but it's true. Here's
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> the reason for it: the 6809 is perfectly willing to load an integer
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> at whatever address. The 68000 will take an error 103 (address trap
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> error) if you try to load a 16-bit or 32-bit quantity at an odd address.
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I didn't know why. I'd assumed that possibly the compiler wanted to store
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data 16 bits at a time or something like that, but you explained it quite
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well. I realized that was not a bug, and there was probably a good reason
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for it.
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I thought I'd post this in case someone else was dumb enough to try to
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make portable files <G>. It seems that it would be quite difficult to
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forsee this padding and try to compensate for it. I would assume that
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if you modified your program and perhaps added a char somewhere in the
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middle of the data area, then all subsequent structures would probably
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reverse the padding effect??
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Do you have to take this odd-mem thing into consideration if you are
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writing assembly code, or does the assembler take care of this?
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-- David Breeding --
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CompuServe : 72330,2051
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Delphi : DBREEDING
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*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
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^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
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End of Thread.
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88207 25-JUN 22:35 General Information
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Os9 and Osk
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From: CHARLESAM To: DBREEDING
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For the first time since I've been on Delphi(87), I browsed though the other
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computer forums. Spent a good hour or more reading recent messages. I don't
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know that much about other machines but judging from the traffic going down
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on those forums, I'm not willing to switch. I rarely came across the kind of
|
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online help one gets here. There doesn't seem to be the willingness to share
|
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the knowledge or maybe there just aren't as many knowledgable users on those
|
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forums. Alot of times I don't understand the information being supplied here,
|
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but I read all the messages anyway to see what I can learn from them. This is
|
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IMHO, the tightest community on Delphi. I'm very happy to be part of it, small
|
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part that I am. If and when I upgrade, it will be one of the 68k machines.
|
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Nuf said, regards Charlie
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88229 26-JUN 14:19 General Information
|
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RE: Os9 and Osk (Re: Msg 88207)
|
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From: DBREEDING To: CHARLESAM (NR)
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> I don't know that much about other machines but judging from the traffic
|
|||
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> going down on those forums, I'm not willing to switch. I rarely came
|
|||
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> across the kind of online help one gets here. There doesn't seem to be the
|
|||
|
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> willingness to share the knowledge or maybe there just aren't as many
|
|||
|
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> knowledgable users on those forums. Alot of times I don't understand the
|
|||
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|
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|
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That may be it, they may not know but are not willing to admit it. I've
|
|||
|
|
been on CIS for quite a while, and often people come in asking questions,
|
|||
|
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in the OS9 or CoCo forum, and comment on the helpfulness. Many say they've
|
|||
|
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already been on the PC-related forums and sometimes are handled even rudely.
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
I did go into the Mac Hardware forum over there and several there did try
|
|||
|
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to give some helpful info. Those people were quite nice, I'll have to say.
|
|||
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|
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|
|||
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-- David Breeding --
|
|||
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CompuServe : 72330,2051
|
|||
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Delphi : DBREEDING
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
|
|||
|
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^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
|
|||
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|
|||
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-*-
|
|||
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End of Thread.
|
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|
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|
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|
88211 26-JUN 00:20 General Information
|
|||
|
|
SC
|
|||
|
|
From: CLTUCKER To: WDTV5 (NR)
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
Yup. I turned on the AutoZModem=on.
|
|||
|
|
Still get the t the 'good dow indication' but nothing apperar
|
|||
|
|
in the data
|
|||
|
|
files.
|
|||
|
|
A stinker. Eh. Any help on this ? (ggg)
|
|||
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|
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|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
88230 26-JUN 14:20 General Information
|
|||
|
|
RE: SC (Re: Msg 88211)
|
|||
|
|
From: DBREEDING To: CLTUCKER
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
> Yup. I turned on the AutoZModem=on.
|
|||
|
|
> Still get the t the 'good dow indication' but nothing
|
|||
|
|
> apperar in the data files.
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
I think this prompt appears even in an abort, not sure.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I've been seeing this thread, and may have missed this point already brought
|
|||
|
|
up, but do you have hardware handshaking turned on? You know--RTS/CTS.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Are you using SACIA? This might help, if not. If I'm repeating stuff
|
|||
|
|
already mentioned, please bear with me.
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
-- David Breeding --
|
|||
|
|
CompuServe : 72330,2051
|
|||
|
|
Delphi : DBREEDING
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
|
|||
|
|
^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88212 26-JUN 00:28 System Modules (6809)
|
|||
|
|
RBF32
|
|||
|
|
From: VE3DAC To: WDTV5 (NR)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Gene Krenciglowa tried out RBF32 on his Powerboost 2.03 and it won't boot
|
|||
|
|
with your RBF. I'll get his message onto floppy and see if I can get it to
|
|||
|
|
you in mail.
|
|||
|
|
I used to do that, no problem, but the last couple of times when the
|
|||
|
|
CR
|
|||
|
|
at the end of the line is sent, Delphi stops accepting the message. We'll see
|
|||
|
|
what happens tomorrow afternoon.
|
|||
|
|
I booted up with one of my old Nitro disks, and the Nitro RBF is a version
|
|||
|
|
of RBF30. Maybe you missed it in version 1.15. But I was able to Undel a
|
|||
|
|
file, I just forgot until I tried it. Now I don't know which RBF to use, I'm
|
|||
|
|
loyal to my hacker pals, <g>.
|
|||
|
|
Look for further, Sun night.
|
|||
|
|
Merv
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88216 26-JUN 03:36 System Modules (6809)
|
|||
|
|
scsi system
|
|||
|
|
From: JBMANNING To: ALL
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Hello
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I would like to know who is handling SCSISYS by Matthew Thompson.
|
|||
|
|
about a year ago or so I sent my $22 dollars in to register my copy.
|
|||
|
|
and have recieved a couple of updates through delphi after being a pest.
|
|||
|
|
but have never recieved any thing official ie documention and disks in the
|
|||
|
|
mail saying that I had the official registered version.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
My user name on delphi was JIMBM but I had to cancel my delphi account
|
|||
|
|
during the first 5 month of 94. I have opened a new acount under
|
|||
|
|
JBMANNING which may be part of the problem.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
ident on my version shows
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Header for: SCSISYS
|
|||
|
|
Module size: $05F8 #1528
|
|||
|
|
Module CRC: $AC2F3E (Good)
|
|||
|
|
Hdr parity: $26
|
|||
|
|
Exec. off: $0016 #22
|
|||
|
|
Data Size: $028F #655
|
|||
|
|
Edition: $00 #0
|
|||
|
|
Ty/La At/Rv: $E1 $81
|
|||
|
|
Dev Dvr mod, 6809 obj, re-en, R/O
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
is this up to date? and how can I get full documentaion?
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
one more thing accelarated handshaking works with my drive (st277n)
|
|||
|
|
but I can't get cacheing to work no matter which order I arrange
|
|||
|
|
modules. after I enable caching my doing a
|
|||
|
|
dmode /h0 dns=80 and
|
|||
|
|
type dir /h0 I get weird characters on the screen.
|
|||
|
|
the docs I have say the cache uses $C000 to $DFFF in the
|
|||
|
|
system map. when I do an dirm this is the same as block 1, right?
|
|||
|
|
or am I mistaken? can I enable cacheing after I boot?
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
after the last boot I tried dirm shows
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Bk Ofst Size Ty At Link Module Name
|
|||
|
|
-- ---- ---- -- -- ---- -----------
|
|||
|
|
-3F D06 12A C1 81 0 REL
|
|||
|
|
3F E30 1D0 C1 81 1 Boot
|
|||
|
|
3F 1000 ED9 C0 88 0 OS9p1
|
|||
|
|
- 1 1300 CA4 C0 82 1 OS9p2
|
|||
|
|
1 1FA4 34 C0 81 1 Init
|
|||
|
|
1 1FD8 140 C1 81 1 OS9p3
|
|||
|
|
2 118 20 F1 81 1 Nil
|
|||
|
|
2 138 1FB E1 81 1 VRN
|
|||
|
|
2 333 95 E1 81 0 Parallel
|
|||
|
|
2 3C8 3E F1 81 0 P
|
|||
|
|
2 406 219 D1 81 0 PipeMan
|
|||
|
|
2 61F 28 E1 81 0 Piper
|
|||
|
|
2 647 26 F1 81 0 Pipe
|
|||
|
|
2 66D 24D C1 83 1 Clock
|
|||
|
|
2 8BA 5B6 E1 81 1 AciaDrv
|
|||
|
|
2 E70 4B F1 81 1 T2
|
|||
|
|
2 EBB 9F3 C1 81 1 IOMan
|
|||
|
|
2 18AE 1D4B C1 81 1 WindInt
|
|||
|
|
3 15F9 46 F1 81 4 TERM
|
|||
|
|
3 163F 43 F1 81 0 W
|
|||
|
|
3 1682 44 F1 81 3 W1
|
|||
|
|
3 16C6 44 F1 81 0 W2
|
|||
|
|
3 170A 44 F1 81 0 W3
|
|||
|
|
3 174E 44 F1 81 0 W4
|
|||
|
|
3 1792 43 F1 81 3 W5
|
|||
|
|
3 17D5 44 F1 81 0 W6
|
|||
|
|
3 1819 44 F1 81 0 W7
|
|||
|
|
3 185D 44 F1 81 0 W8
|
|||
|
|
3 18A1 44 F1 81 0 W9
|
|||
|
|
3 18E5 45 F1 81 0 W10
|
|||
|
|
3 192A 45 F1 81 0 W11
|
|||
|
|
3 196F 45 F1 81 0 W12
|
|||
|
|
3 19B4 45 F1 81 0 W13
|
|||
|
|
3 19F9 45 F1 81 0 W14
|
|||
|
|
3 1A3E 45 F1 81 0 W15
|
|||
|
|
3 1A83 12CB D1 81 6 RBF
|
|||
|
|
4 D4E 4EA E1 82 2 CC3Disk
|
|||
|
|
4 1238 30 F1 81 1 D0
|
|||
|
|
4 1268 30 F1 81 1 D1
|
|||
|
|
4 1298 6DA D1 82 C SCF
|
|||
|
|
4 1972 C64 E1 81 A CC3IO
|
|||
|
|
3F 5D6 5F8 E1 81 4B SCSISYS
|
|||
|
|
3F BCE 31 F1 89 0 H0
|
|||
|
|
3F BFF 31 F1 89 4B DD
|
|||
|
|
- 6 0 1FBB C1 81 1 GrfDrv
|
|||
|
|
- A 0 1A7 11 81 1 DirM
|
|||
|
|
- 9 0 18B3 11 82 4 Shell
|
|||
|
|
9 18B3 24 11 81 0 Load
|
|||
|
|
9 18D7 22 11 81 0 Echo
|
|||
|
|
9 18F9 27 11 81 0 Prompt
|
|||
|
|
9 1920 68 11 81 0 Merge
|
|||
|
|
9 1988 4F 11 81 0 List
|
|||
|
|
9 19D7 22 11 81 0 Makdir
|
|||
|
|
9 19F9 A5 11 81 0 Del
|
|||
|
|
9 1A9E 84 11 81 0 Display
|
|||
|
|
9 1B22 7A 11 81 0 Iniz
|
|||
|
|
9 1B9C 27 11 81 0 cls
|
|||
|
|
9 1BC3 15C 11 81 0 Rename
|
|||
|
|
-10 0 2156 11 81 1 mcron
|
|||
|
|
-13 0 591D 11 81 1 scred
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Thanks for your time
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Jim Manning
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Delphi JBMANNING
|
|||
|
|
internet jbmannin@Endor.es.sim.com
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88217 26-JUN 03:52 Applications (6809)
|
|||
|
|
SOFTWARE
|
|||
|
|
From: MORRISA To: ALL
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I WOULD LIKE TO BUY THE FOLLOWING SOFTWARE PROGRAMS :
|
|||
|
|
COLOR ARTIST FOR COCO3
|
|||
|
|
DESKMATE3 FOR COCO3
|
|||
|
|
OS9 LEVEL II (COMPLETE WITH ALL DOCUMENTS TO GET A BEGENNER STARTED ON
|
|||
|
|
THE SYSTEM)
|
|||
|
|
SUB BATTLE SIMULT.
|
|||
|
|
ANY GRAPHIC WAR GAMES WITH SHIPS OR PLANES
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
88223 26-JUN 11:40 Applications (6809)
|
|||
|
|
RE: SOFTWARE (Re: Msg 88217)
|
|||
|
|
From: MRGOOD To: MORRISA (NR)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I have Sub Battle Simulator for COco OS9. Make an offer...
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Hugo
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-*-
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|||
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|
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|
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|
|
FORUM>Reply, Add, Read, "?" or Exit>
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