textfiles/messages/ALANWESTON/1992/CIS10_18.txt

#: 16650 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    11-Oct-92  12:07:39
Sb: #gifsho
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 (X)

Mike,

I've been playing with Gifsho to view CompuServe Weather maps and am scratching
my head over the displayed size of the graphic.

With the recent change to the Maps area, I now can select a VGA resolution
(Item 1) and download a map as usual.

When I display with gifsho, I get a nice looking map ... but it's very narrow
and centered in the middle of my type 0 screen. Is this correct or should I
be using a different combination of screen type and resolution?

What follows is the output from a gifsho -i on a recently downloaded file:

GIF version '87a'
378 x 240 screen
Global bitmap : 16 colors
Image 378 by 240, Top 0, Left 0
Interleaved Image - 4 bits per pixel


Have any suggestions?

Steve

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#: 16672 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    13-Oct-92  21:35:52
Sb: #16650-#gifsho
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Steve,

It looks to me like the EGA and VGA maps are the same (I checked this out on my
PC at work as well as on my MM/1). Maybe they intend to provide better
resolution in the future. Gifshow has always (at least for me) displayed the
weather map as a narrow picture in the middle of the screen. It also won't
handle more than one file at a time without ending with an error. A command
like "gifshow current.gif tomorrow.gif 48hour.gif -s" displays the first map, a
few lines of the second map, then ends with the error: "illegal code in raster
data". Each of the maps displays just fine by itself.

Bill

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#: 16675 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    14-Oct-92  02:51:28
Sb: #16672-#gifsho
Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)


Thanks for the input.  If the picture happens to be a different number of bits
per pixel, something doesn't get reset in my decoder.  I just have to track it
down. :(  I've got the same report from several sources and have run into the
problem myself.  Can't for the life of me figure this one out. <sigh>

Hopefully it will be something really simple I overlooked.

 - Mike -

PS  If all the pictures are the same res (bits per pixel) then they will work
in slide show mode forever.

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#: 16678 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    14-Oct-92  06:35:28
Sb: #16675-#gifsho
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
To: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 (X)

I wondered what caused it to happen, since I do know that the slide show works
sometimes. I didn't really notice it until I tried to display three days of CIS
weather maps in a row.

I know all about hard to find bugs (right Steve? :) good luck!

Bill

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#: 16692 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    15-Oct-92  00:02:05
Sb: #16678-gifsho
Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)


Thanks.  I'll keep scratching my head till something 'clicks'.

#: 16687 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    14-Oct-92  14:07:53
Sb: #16672-gifsho
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)

Glad it's not just me, Bill. I was begining to wonder!  :-)

Looks like Mike well into it ...



*- Steve -*



#: 16677 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    14-Oct-92  02:51:52
Sb: #16650-#gifsho
Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)


I just grabbed a few maps and see what you mean.  The maps are in the old 87a
format and don't have an aspect ratio built into the file.

GIFShow thinks it's a clipping from a 640 x 240 screen and displays it on a 640
x 240 screen.  That's why it's long an narrow in the middle of the screen. 
Wonder why they picked such a weird size for the maps.  320 x 240 would fill
the entire screen as expected.  GIFShow makes a decision to center the picture
if it's greater than 368 pixels wide.  It's being displayed on a type 2 screen.
Have you run into many 378 x 240 GIFs before?  Maybe I need to up the deciding
width by 10, huh!

 - Mike -

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#: 16679 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    14-Oct-92  06:35:48
Sb: #16677-gifsho
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
To: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 (X)

I've noticed that the weather maps are a strange size. Some of the viewers I've
used on other machines have similar problems trying to scale the picture to
match the screen, others seem to figure it out. Maybe the addition of the VGA
mode means they will start providing higher resolution, and standard sized,
pictures.

Bill

#: 16686 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    14-Oct-92  14:07:49
Sb: #16677-#gifsho
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 (X)

Mike,

I rarely spend much time with gif files. The two notable exceptions are the
weather maps and the stuff displayed over in the MQUOTE area.

The only problem with the financial stuff is they provide no way to capture the
display to a file, and only provide for decoding on the fly. I'm bashing Mark
to add such a feature to StermPro.

You have any ideas for work arounds with something like this (o wizzard of the
gif format!)  :-)




*- Steve -*



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#: 16691 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    15-Oct-92  00:01:53
Sb: #16686-gifsho
Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)


Only idea I have is to make gifshow force 16 color 378 pixels wide or less to
full screen.  But I've run into GIFs that are 370 x 240 and look perfect when
displayed like the weather maps are.  But I think they were all 256 colors.

I'll play with it.

#: 16652 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    11-Oct-92  15:02:50
Sb: #lha and pause
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 (X)

Mike,

With pause on in a window, I find that Lha pauses after about 6 extractions
rather than the value I have set in the descriptor.

Is there an easy fix you can point me to in the source?

Steve

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#: 16673 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    13-Oct-92  21:36:10
Sb: #16652-#lha and pause
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Steve,

I think that's because of the status display of 'o's moving across the screen.
I can't think of any way around that (other than an option to disable that
status display).

Bill

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#: 16676 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    14-Oct-92  02:51:42
Sb: #16673-#lha and pause
Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)


Right,  the status line get's written thusly:

filename - ................

Then LHa writes a CR without a LF and writes the filename again,

filename - o...............
           ^
The cursor just stays at the current 'o' till the file is decoded, then
writes another CR, clears to 'o's and tells you it's been melted.

filename - Melted

So, you have 3 CR's for every file extracted.  So, It'll pause after
1/3 screen cause SCF has gotton a full screen of CR's.

 - Mike -

I don't have a patch for it, but the sources are here.

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#: 16685 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    14-Oct-92  14:07:44
Sb: #16676-lha and pause
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 (X)

Thank for the info Mike. Looks like the best bet is to turn off the pause when
using Lha.


*- Steve -*



#: 16684 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    14-Oct-92  14:07:41
Sb: #16673-#lha and pause
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)

Yeah ... I figured it had something to do with a CR/LF issue ... just didn't
know where to start looking in the source.

Looks as if the fastest solution would be a tmode nopause!



*- Steve -*



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#: 16698 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    15-Oct-92  16:17:56
Sb: #16684-#lha and pause
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Steve,

Why have pause turned on at all?  I know you might want people dialing it to
have pause enabled so you can set it on in the terminal descriptors, but you
can turn it off for all the window descriptors.  The 'more' utility is better
anyway since you can backup and just.  You might want to try using 'less' from
the TOPS distribution.  It has all that more has only more (or less). ( grin)

Mark

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#: 16706 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    16-Oct-92  05:34:37
Sb: #16698-lha and pause
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)

Having pause turned on is just a habit I've gotten into. I probabbly should
just turn 'em all off and leave it at that.


*- Steve -*



#: 16653 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    11-Oct-92  17:34:25
Sb: #16644-OSK Login Shell ??
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: Robert Heller 71450,3432 (X)

Have a look at the code in sysgo.ar which is here in lib 12. It starts up the
original shell and I not some comments in the source about special things to do
a startup shell. Let us know the secret if you figure it out.

#: 16696 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    15-Oct-92  15:44:46
Sb: #16644-#OSK Login Shell ??
Fm: Roy J. Fehlandt 73377,1605
To: Robert Heller 71450,3432 (X)

The magic required back in the days of V2.2 was as follows:
     char *argv [2];
     argv [0] = "-shell";
     argv [1] = NULL;
     os9exec(oskfork, 1 + argv [0], argv,...); This will do it.  When shell
sees the leading '-' on it's forked named (passed as it's argv[0]) it will read
the .login file.  Before the fork, you should already have chd'd to the
directory where .login is to be found.

Roy

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#: 16703 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    15-Oct-92  20:46:56
Sb: #16696-OSK Login Shell ??
Fm: Robert Heller 71450,3432
To: Roy J. Fehlandt 73377,1605

After looking at the sysgo.a file, I sorta figured out the "-" magic.  It would
be nice if MicroWare documented this.  BYW:  your method still works for V2.4. 
(I figured you would need to chd, setuid, etc. before the fork - snarf the info
from /dd/sys/password, which is obviously what login does...)

Robert

#: 16654 S9/Utilities
    11-Oct-92  20:06:31
Sb: help
Fm: George Hendrickson 71071,2003
To: all

Does anyone know if the HyperIO utilitys 'hdir', 'hcopy', 'hdel' will work on
an MSDOS disk? If so, what do I set the '-t','-s', and '-g' commands too on the
command line? Thanks!

#: 16657 S15/Hot Topics
    12-Oct-92  10:11:03
Sb: #16645-#New Video for KiX\30
Fm: JBM Electronics 71174,3442
To: Frank Hogg of FHL 70310,317 (X)

Is 1 MB RAM enough for millions of colors at 1024 X 768?

What about 1024 X 1024?

If you are going to make a 'high end' video board it seems reasonable to want
'high end' sound as well. I'd say if it will fit, put the stereo sound on the
video board. Maybe you could make it an optional daughter board that would plug
on to the video board?

-J Truesdale

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#: 16660 S15/Hot Topics
    12-Oct-92  23:02:07
Sb: #16657-#New Video for KiX\30
Fm: Frank Hogg of FHL 70310,317
To: JBM Electronics 71174,3442 (X)


>>Is 1 MB RAM enough for millions of colors at 1024 X 768? Yes, at 8 bits per
pixel 3/4+ meg is enough. All those colors come from the RAMDAC (palatte
controller) Just like the EK_VAX.

>>What about 1024 X 1024? Not on this board. That would require a very high
cost monitor and I don't think that is our market at this time. When the
monitors come down we can quickly do a new board to match.

Thanks for you input on the sound. Space may be the big problem. A daughter
board strikes me as a cluge. I would rather do a separate sound board that
could do much more, like MIDI. That way it would not 'require' a particular
video board for use. Also it could be used in a terminal system.

Frank Hogg -- FHL

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#: 16663 S15/Hot Topics
    13-Oct-92  05:08:53
Sb: #16660-#New Video for KiX\30
Fm: Stephen Seneker 75020,3611
To: Frank Hogg of FHL 70310,317 (X)

  Frank, I'm hooked on AUDIO, espically high end.  Perhaps a seperate board
with 8/16 bit bidirectional stereo or quad would be nice.  If it has stereo
sound support I'll buy... just depends on what develops %-)



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#: 16668 S15/Hot Topics
    13-Oct-92  19:52:07
Sb: #16663-New Video for KiX\30
Fm: Frank Hogg of FHL 70310,317
To: Stephen Seneker 75020,3611

Well, The EK-VAX has stereo support and should be somewhat better than what you
are used to. The separate board for sound etc has appeal to me as it would
allow upgrading video without having to rebuy sound capabilities. Video is a
fast moving area with prices dropping and capabilities increasing. Sound on the
other hand seems more stagnant. Once you have a good sound board you wouldn't
need to upgrade it. Not as often as video anyway.

Frank

#: 16658 S15/Hot Topics
    12-Oct-92  10:11:08
Sb: #16646-#RAM for the KiX\30
Fm: JBM Electronics 71174,3442
To: Frank Hogg of FHL 70310,317 (X)

I'd suggest allowing for the use of higher density static RAMs if at all
possible. They are REAL pricy now but later....

Can you get EPROMs fast enough so they won't slow the system down?

-J. Truesdale

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#: 16661 S15/Hot Topics
    12-Oct-92  23:02:39
Sb: #16658-RAM for the KiX\30
Fm: Frank Hogg of FHL 70310,317
To: JBM Electronics 71174,3442 (X)


>>I'd suggest allowing for the use of higher density static RAMs if at >>all
possible. They are REAL pricy now but later.... Later when that are not pricy
we could do a board for them. However even then the current 32K ones would be
much cheaper.

>>Can you get EPROMs fast enough so they won't slow the system down? No the
board would have a jumper you would set for the speed of the chips in each
bank.

Frank Hogg -- FHL

#: 16662 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    13-Oct-92  05:05:53
Sb: #MM/1 Sound Utilities
Fm: Stephen Seneker 75020,3611
To:  76070,41 (X)

Mark, about what you said... now that I've thought about it, you must have got
the very first hrecord/hplay - the buffering routine needing fine tuning.
Remember the presently SNDDRV only supports a max. of 30720 Hz and only
multiples supported by the timer.  If you use and adequate buffer size or
multiple for hiffplay/hiffrecord one should be able to use their system without
noticeable problems.  If your drive seeks sufficiently fast then smaller
buffers/multiples are ok, else use larger buffers.  I've recored up to 15
minutes while working on mplay and compiling.  I'm only using a ST296N 1.1
meg/sec, 15 minutes at 20KHz Stereo for 36meg of monophonic sound.

I suggest you download the newer hrecpla.lzh fron dl12.  I will be releasing
the functions I've developed for sound recording as shareware perhaps?  Or
maybe I should just sell them.  I'm getting quite a library... YES I'm going to
have to write docs, just so I can live/work with myself! %-)

Also, I thought in the quick help I had the correct command line arg setup
documented.  Try... hrecord -f=<freq> -b=<size> -s=<seconds> you can optionally
omit the equal though I support both.  All Version 1.01 of the utilites has
this corrected!

Try the newer stuff out and let me know how it works with slower drives,
espically using larger buffers.

Stephen



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#: 16664 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    13-Oct-92  09:57:06
Sb: #16662-#MM/1 Sound Utilities
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
To: Stephen Seneker 75020,3611

Steve,

I did download the lastest utilities you uploaded.  What I get is "skipping"
during the playback.  Now, whether that is due to the record or the playback
utility I have no way of knowing.  In either case, I suspect it is due to my
rather slow hard disk, only about 300KB a sec on writes and about 700KB a sec
on reads.  I'll try it again with the parameters you gave and see what happens.

Mark

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#: 16666 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    13-Oct-92  14:10:31
Sb: #16664-MM/1 Sound Utilities
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)

Mark,

Yah, it'll also depend on disk fragmentation.  Try copying to a ramdisk and
playing from there to see if the skip goes away.

kev

#: 16667 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    13-Oct-92  19:10:00
Sb: Programmer Available
Fm: steve mann 71310,1742
To: All

OS9/68K Programmer available.  Three years of OS9 experience in imbededded
processor development.  Experience includes C and Assembler, porting and device
driver development.  Overall experience: 16 years as software engineer, mostly
in imbedded processors; 8085, 8088, and most recently, Motorola 68000. 
Participated in hardware design and development.  Current position is as
Software Group Leader with three engineers reporting to me. Available in 1Q-93.
Prefer western location, permanent positions only. Please respond to Steve
Mann, CIS 71310,1742  Prodigy GPGJ06B  or Email to smann@peck.com

#: 16688 S1/General Interest
    14-Oct-92  19:45:22
Sb: #PKW
Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
To: All

Has Paul Ward dropped from CIS?  I was looking for his number in the member
directory, and CIS says no such user.

Hugo

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#: 16689 S1/General Interest
    14-Oct-92  22:01:05
Sb: #16688-PKW
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X)

Hugo,

It's been a couple of weeks, but Paul still drops by regularly. His ID is
[73477,2004].

Steve

#: 16699 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    15-Oct-92  16:24:47
Sb: #Desktop hacks
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
To: Mike Haaland, 72300,1433 (X)

Mike,

When can I expect to see a version of Desktop that opens a text file in the
editor?  Shouldn't bee too much of a hassle I would think.  Also, can you add
an 'attr' selection to one of the menus to allow changing the file attributes? 
I'll do the attr utility for you, just have it call 'attr' and not open any
screens or other windows.  Attr will run in an overlay.  Still working on the
'gpr' utility for you.  Printing is worked at so it runs in the background.  I
could set it up so it would call the printing utility of the users choice in
case someone has one they like better.  What do you think?  Of course, they
could just rename their favorite printing utility to 'print' and it would work
as long as it would take a parameter for the filename and.....naw, too many
other options that it would get passed.  Forget it (grin).

Mark

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#: 16704 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    15-Oct-92  23:56:05
Sb: #16699-#Desktop hacks
Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)


Hmmm.  I've thought about it and want to know what you think.  Say the first
click on a data file enables the open.. option on the files menu. If you select
open, it will try to run it as a shell script, if you double click instead it
opens the file into the program specified by the environment variable EDITOR.

Or would it make more sense the other way around?

 - Mike -

The Attr utils sounds neat.  How about gattr to differentiate from the regular
attr.  Your talking a point-n-click attr right?

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#: 16707 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    16-Oct-92  10:59:00
Sb: #16704-Desktop hacks
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 (X)

Mike,

Lemme tag on here and answer a few of your CMAIL questions.

Given the choices you've presented regarding the handling of a shell script,
I'm more comfortable with the following:

        Douple clicking infers execution ... so execute the thing.

        OPEN infers examination .. so fire up the editor and let's take a peek.


But!

I think Mark's original suggestion is the most elegant. If the execute bit is
set, we can presume it to be something that needs to execute ... shell script
or application. If it's a read only thing ... then let's fire up the editor and
examine the contents.

If I, as the operator, need to modify an exisiting shell script, I'd select the
file, use 'gattr' and turn off the execute bit(s), then double click the icon
to bring it up in the editor.

Of course I'm a user (unable user, to use a Delphi term, sheesh!), so what
appears to be a no brainer to me may be unobtainable programatically.

What do you think?




*- Steve -*



#: 16709 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    16-Oct-92  16:24:39
Sb: #16704-#Desktop hacks
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
To: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 (X)

Mike,

What you might want to do is make up a separate icon for a shell script and put
that up when you see a text file that has the execution bit set. Of course,
this may make things more dofficult.  I don't know how you are doing it now,
I'd guess you look for any file with the execution bit set and make that a
program and then anything else is a text file.

I've been playing with Open Look version 3 on one of the Sun workstations at
work.  It has a different icon for each file.  It must read each and every file
to do this thought since it can tell the difference between a "C" source code
file and a header file, as well as a postscript file and a normal text file. 
Pretty slick!  Each icon type then gets a different set of parameters for
forking and printing.  I don't think this will be easy to do for OSK, if at
all, but it sure would be nice!

To answer your question, like Steve said, if it has the execution bit set, and
the first few bytes in the file are not a module header, then make it a shell
script, other wise it is a text file.  If you double click on a text file, run
the editor given in the EDITOR environ variable, or run thhe script if it is
not a text file.

Mark

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#: 16711 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    17-Oct-92  04:10:24
Sb: #16709-Desktop hacks
Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)


 Mark,

 > I've been playing with Open Look version 3 on one of the Sun workstations at
 > work.  It has a different icon for each file.  It must read each and every
 > file to do this thought since it can tell the difference between a "C"
 > source code file and a header file, as well as a postscript file and a
 > normal text file.  Pretty slick!  Each icon type then gets a different set
 > of parameters for forking and printing.  I don't think this will be easy
 > to do for OSK, if at all, but it sure would be nice!

 You can do this under OSK.  G-WINDOWS has this feature.  The file icon
 shows the name of the file and what type it is; i.e., "C", "ASM", "PROG",
 "SUBR", "SYS", etc.  Since there will be files G-WINDOWS doesn't recognize,
 you can write your own file recognizer program and add the info to the
 'config' file.  Sample source code for a file recognizer program is included.

 Have at it <g>.

 Ed Gresick - DELMAR CO



#: 16705 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    15-Oct-92  23:56:38
Sb: #16699-#Desktop hacks
Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)


On the gpr util.  Should that be brought up by selecting Printer Device? and
print be brought up by chooseing print on the files menu?

Strike that first option, the name should probably be changed to Printer on the
deskmenu.

 - Mike -

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#: 16708 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    16-Oct-92  16:16:25
Sb: #16705-Desktop hacks
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
To: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 (X)

Mike,

Call 'gpr' when you select "print

errrrrr.....opps...

Call "gpr" when you select "print" after clicking on a file.  I'll try to do
some fancy work and determine if the file is a printable file or a binary file
and then exit with an error message if it is binary.

Setting up the printer port should be a separate utility, like the "port" util
in Multi-Vue.  All the printing utility will do is allow the user to select
some page layout defaults like margins, headers, and such and then call the
printing routine passing these settings as command line parameters.  The "port"
utility should allow the user to setup the device descriptor a la
xmode.....turn on/off linefeed, set the printer device, and so forth.  The
"port" utility should be smart enough to change the fields shown depending upon
if it is a serial or paralle port being configured.

What do you think?

Mark

#: 16710 S1/General Interest
    16-Oct-92  22:25:07
Sb: KiX\30 Ships!
Fm: Frank Hogg of FHL 70310,317
To: all

KiX\30 Update 10/16/92

FLASH!

The first KiX\30 production board was shipped today! One day, just ONE day
behind schedule! We are now in full production with orders being filled within
2-3 weeks.

The EK-4S2P is now in production with first shipment expected within a week.


In other news...

The original specs called for all SIMMs to be the same type. Both banks had to
be the same. This is no longer true. You can now mix memory types. For example
you could have 4 one meg SIMMs and 4 four meg SIMMs. In addition you can now
use 512K and 2 Meg SIMMs. It is even possible to mix SIMMs within a block. The
block will then take on the size of the smallest SIMM. If you have 2 one meg
SIMMs and 2 four meg SIMMs you will have 4 meg total.

See the full descriptions of the KiX\30 in the databases 'DL15'.

Thank You

Frank Hogg  --  FHL



#: 16712 S3/Languages
    17-Oct-92  21:53:27
Sb: #16649-Jump tables in C
Fm: David Breeding 72330,2051
To: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 (X)

Thanks, Mike.  Just read a message from him in mail.  He told me about the
articles.  I'll check them out.
  It was great getting to meet you in Atlanta.  Had a really good time.

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