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Original Message Date: 24 Jul 92 01:04:57
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From: Josh Burke on 1:343/95
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To: Tom Jennings on 1:1/1
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Subj: Problems
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^AFLAGS DIR
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A recent article in fidonews contained the following lines:
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Well, no scandals, flames, outings, net wars, political conspiracies
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this week. Too bad. It's getting quiet around here.
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Actually, the above reminds me of something Vince Perriello (Josh (my
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boyfriend, remember him?) and I had coffee & pizza with Vince in
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Seattle) brought up, and I think is so obvious (in hindsight) that I'm
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completely amazed I've never heard it before --
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"
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The use of "Josh" without any other form of identification has caused<65>
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me some problems within the network. I have had a number of flaming <20>
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netmails, insults, and I believe I have lost Zone Coordinator position<6F>
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in the network I started. I believe that you intended no ill towards<64>
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me, nor any other "Josh"'s in Seattle. I would appreatiate some<6D>
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clarity of what you meant by this in a upcoming fidonews. Please<73>
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note that I have nothing aginst homosexuals...
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I have been in Austraila for 11 days, to find my BBS crashed (Neighbor<6F>
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did not reset the computer, he reset the VCR!), Zone Coordinator<6F>
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position lost, Fido feed cut... not the kind of things you like to<74>
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see after 28 hours in a airplane.
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(I did warn everybody I was going to Australia)
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Original Message Date: 28 Jul 92 19:45:19
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From: Tom Jennings on 1:125/111
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To: Josh Burke on 1:343/95
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Subj: re: Problems
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^AINTL 1:343/95 1:125/111
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> The use of "Josh" without any other form of identification
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> has caused me some problems within the network. I have had
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> a number of flaming netmails, insults, and I believe I have
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> lost Zone Coordinator position in the network I started. I
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> believe that you intended no ill towards me, nor any other
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> "Josh"'s in Seattle. I would appreatiate some clarity of
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> what you meant by this in a upcoming fidonews. Please note
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> that I have nothing aginst homosexuals...
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I hate to be mean, but this is completely ridiculuous. "Ill will
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towards other Josh's in Seattle" -- huh?! Is this serious!?
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The problem you have is your own projections, and mainly the people
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harrassing you. Not me.
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I simply cannot fathom how on earth you could seriously state that
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because my boyfriend is also called "Josh", that somehow your problems
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have anything to do with me!
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(POSSIBLE DRAFT FIDONEWS EDITORIAL)
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(DEPENDS ON HOW MEAN I FEEL ON SUNDAY)
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I received a netmail message this week regarding something I wrote in<69>
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a recent FidoNews editorial. Below is a small fragment of it. The<68>
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context is missing, but I think you'll find it doesn't matter.)
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The fragment:
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[...] Vince Perriello, (Josh (my boyfriend, remember him?) and I had<61>
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coffee & pizza with Vince in Seattle) brought up, and I think is so<73>
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obvious (in hindsight) that I'm completely amazed I've never heard it<69>
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before...
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The email response:
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> The use of "Josh" without any other form of identification has
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> caused me some problems within the network. I have had a number
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> of flaming netmails, insults, and I believe I have lost Zone
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> Coordinator position in the network I started. I believe that
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> you intended no ill towards me, nor any other "Josh"'s in
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> Seattle.
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> I would appreciate some clarity of what you meant by
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> this in a upcoming fidonews. Please note that I have nothing
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> against homosexuals...
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What a sad world we live in. I don't know where to begin, to unravel<65>
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the half-dozen or so nonsensicals in this one paragraph. Let me try.
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My boyfriends name is Josh, short for Joshua, if that was not clear.<2E>
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Are all people named "Josh" in Seattle my boyfriend? Besides the hints<74>
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given by the singular vs. plural wording, sufficient data in itself,<2C>
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no, only one Josh in Seattle is my boyfriend. And I'm fairly certain<69>
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not the author of the above paragraph.
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I assume that the author, Josh, realizes that he is not my boyfriend.
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The author was apparently harrassed by some people because my<6D>
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boyfriend, Josh, has the same first name (I assume first name,<2C>
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actually I didn't give this much thought until now...), the same first<73>
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name as the author of the above paragraph. Or because Josh-the-author<6F>
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has the same name as my boyfriend. This was not made clear. Obviously<6C>
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these people are jerks (not the Josh's, one of which I know is very<72>
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nice, and other other seems nice) the harassers are.
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I hadn't realized the awesome power I have been given, to cause<73>
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someone to be tossed out of a position of power simply by having a<>
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boyfriend with someone with a similar name (or vice versa). Actually,<2C>
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lots of people give out their power in this manner. I usually don't<>
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take advantage of such people, and if I did in this case, I apologize.<2E>
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You can have your job back also (heaven knows I don't want it).
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Regarding "ill will" toward Joshes in Seattle. I certainly don't have<76>
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any ill will against my boyfriend Josh; quite the contrary. Since I<>
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did not meet any other Joshes in Seattle while I was there (or before<72>
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or since), I was not able to generate any ill feelings towards any,<2C>
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though I'm sure there's enough people named Josh in the Seattle area<65>
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that it's likely that there are at least one or two I'd find<6E>
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unpleasant. Because the only communication I have had with
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Josh-the-author is the above paragraph, and he seems pretty much OK, I<>
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think I can safely say I feel no ill will towards any Joshes in<69>
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Seattle.
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Regarding clarity, I hope this short piece provides enough clarity on<6F>
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the subject to answer any possible questions anyone might have.
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Original Message Date: 30 Jul 92 08:59:42
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From: Josh Burke on 1:343/95
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To: Tom Jennings on 1:125/111
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Subj: re: Problems
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^AFLAGS DIR
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>> The use of "Josh" without any other form of identification
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>> has caused me some problems within the network. I have had
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>> a number of flaming netmails, insults, and I believe I have
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>> lost Zone Coordinator position in the network I started. I
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>> believe that you intended no ill towards me, nor any other
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>> "Josh"'s in Seattle. I would appreatiate some clarity of
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>> what you meant by this in a upcoming fidonews. Please note
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>> that I have nothing aginst homosexuals...
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> I hate to be mean, but this is completely ridiculuous. "Ill will
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> towards other Josh's in Seattle" -- huh?! Is this serious!?
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Completely serious...
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> The problem you have is your own projections, and mainly the people
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> harrassing you. Not me.
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I'm not blaming you, just asking for your help in stopiing it!
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> I simply cannot fathom how on earth you could seriously state that
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> because my boyfriend is also called "Josh", that somehow your problems
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> have anything to do with me!
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Because you mentioned this in the nodelist not really identifying the <20>
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person, and because I'm well known in the Apple Community (not liked that <20>
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much either) Just a little more information about this Josh would clear it <20>
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up, such as "Non-computer user" or whatever....
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Original Message Date: 03 Aug 92 13:10:16
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From: Tom Jennings on 1:125/111
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To: Josh Burke on 1:343/95
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Subj: re: Problems
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^AINTL 1:343/95 1:125/111
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I'm terribly sorry about all this. You will probably take this wrong,
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but I have to say no harm is meant.
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ALl of your assumptions are based on assuming that me and my boyfriend
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Josh being gay is some horrid thing. I assure you it is not.
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Your plight is sad, but completely not my fault, not my doing, and
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there is nothing I can do about it. "Fagbashing" happens to straight
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people, you know, since the perpetrators just attack anyone they feel
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like anbd use "FAG" as the reason.
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Imagine if this were 1960, and I was black, and I said my
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friend/wife/girlfriend/boyfriend was white and had the same name as
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you. You would be asking me to apologize for or cover up the fact that
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I was black. My answer would be:
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NO. You deal with it. Homophobia like racism is rrampant, and it is
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NOT UP TO THE GODDAMN VICTIMS TO DEAL WITH. OK? It is everyones
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problem, like you are finding out now!
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Again, I'm not mad at you. Really! Please consider the above until you
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understand it from my point of view. You are still welcome to dismiss
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it as you see fit, no ill will from me. Deal?
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Original Message Date: 11 Aug 92 12:45:38
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From: Josh Burke on 1:343/95
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To: Tom Jennings on 1:125/111
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Subj: re: Problems
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^AFLAGS DIR
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> ALl of your assumptions are based on assuming that me and my boyfriend
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> Josh being gay is some horrid thing. I assure you it is not.
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I assume nothing!
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> Your plight is sad, but completely not my fault, not my doing, and
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> there is nothing I can do about it. "Fagbashing" happens to straight
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> people, you know, since the perpetrators just attack anyone they feel
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> like anbd use "FAG" as the reason.
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Please sir, I do not have anything aginst homosexuals! Just because I do <20>
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not have the same sexual preferance that you do, does not mean that I <20>
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think yours is wrong. I support homosexuals, and stand up for them. I <20>
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only do not share their preferances.
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> Imagine if this were 1960, and I was black, and I said my
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> friend/wife/girlfriend/boyfriend was white and had the same name as
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> you. You would be asking me to apologize for or cover up the fact that
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> I was black. My answer would be:
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I am not asking for you to apologise for being gay! I ask you to clear up <20>
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the identification of the "Josh" person refered to in fidonet as not being <20>
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Josh Burke! And also, I am not racist! I am a person of colour so I know <20>
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what discrimination is like!
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> NO. You deal with it. Homophobia like racism is rrampant, and it is
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> NOT UP TO THE GODDAMN VICTIMS TO DEAL WITH. OK? It is everyones
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> problem, like you are finding out now!
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I know this!! I support gay rights fully!! I am not homophobic or racist!
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> Again, I'm not mad at you. Really! Please consider the above until you
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> understand it from my point of view. You are still welcome to dismiss
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> it as you see fit, no ill will from me. Deal?
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As long as you know that I have nothing against gays, blacks, whites, <20>
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indians, and everybody different than the majority.
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