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F I D O N E W S -- Vol.13 No.14 (01-Apr-1996)
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| A newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: |
| FidoNet BBS community | "FidoNews" BBS |
| _ | +1-519-570-4176 |
| / \ | |
| /|oo \ | |
| (_| /_) | |
| _`@/_ \ _ | |
| | | \ \\ | Editors: |
| | (*) | \ )) | Donald Tees 1:221/192 |
| |__U__| / \// | |
| _//|| _\ / | |
| (_/(_|(____/ | |
| (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. |
| | -- JOSEPH PULITZER |
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| Submission address: editors 1:1/23 |
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| MORE addresses: |
| |
| submissions=> editor@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca |
| Don -- don@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca |
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| For information, copyrights, article submissions, |
| obtaining copies of fidonews or the internet gateway faq |
| please refer to the end of this file. |
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Table of Contents
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1. Editorial..................................................... 1
2. Articles...................................................... 2
SHAREWRE Echo Moderator Changes............................. 2
FidoNet on the Internet..................................... 3
Monthly Gateway Info posting (UPDATED!)..................... 5
Backbone Echo Changes [Jan-Feb]............................. 7
That Gateway Thingie?....................................... 9
Yet more suggestions to enhance Fido........................ 12
3. Fidonews Information.......................................... 12
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Editorial
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FidoNews 13-14 Page: 2 01 Apr 1996
There seems to have been a problem over the last few weeks
with my internet mail. While all has now been fixed, there
appears to have been mail lost. Fidonet stuff has been coming
in just fine <G>. Anyway, if anybody has sent stuff to here via
the internet, and it appears to have been ignored, please send
it again.
There have been a lot of articles over the last few weeks
extolling the virtues of fidonet over the internet. Chief
amoung these is that fidonet echoes are better run, and often
more mature than the internet echos.
I like fidonet, and prefer it to the usenet groups, as a
general rule. The echoes are smaller and more personal. I
find, with fidonet, that I get to know the people in an echo.
It is a much more personal place than the internet.
However, that does not mean that fidonet is technically
healthy. It does not really aleviate the problem that I brought
up in the editorial that started all this. We are working with
software that is outdated, and little is being done to replace
it. Most of the new communications software is not being
written for FTSC compliant messaging.
As well, we are losing the advantages offered by the plethora
of new common carriers around. We need to start taking
advantage of new technology and new software if we want to stay
around. That problem exists, whether we like the net or not.
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Articles
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SHAREWRE Echo Moderator Changes
By: Kent Anderson, 1:382/1201
Kand@onr.com
Rules changed and Relaxed
In August 1995, I effected a non-hostile takeover of the Fidonet echo,
SHAREWRE, when I could not contact the former Moderator. The echo was
on the verge of losing its backbone status for not filing the required
Moderator Update to the Elist. The former Moderator still made no
appearance, and the rules were revamped to remove some of the
restrictions instigated by that Moderator. A little background here:
I was the third Moderator of the echo, and was appointed by Moderator
Steve Shapiro when he moved to Boston, Ma. After a couple of years, I
burned out, and appointed Lee Jackson, my Co-Moderator. Lee did a
commendable job, but at the end of a year, had health problems as well
as moving to a new job in a different city. I accepted a temporary
assignment for the time it took to organize and complete an election
of a new Moderator. Maryjane Choate, of Houston, Tx won the election.
Maryjane took over at a very bad time, as the echo was suffering from
open warfare among some of its participants, and from many off topic
FidoNews 13-14 Page: 3 01 Apr 1996
postings from those seeking advice on cheating at or discussing how to
play various games. In an effort to control this traffic, she made
some very stringent amendments to rules. Included was a rule to reduce
the amount of space to be taken up by an author making announcement of
new or upgraded products. This is in no way a reflection upon
Maryjane's efforts. She did this during a period of bad health and
outside distractions, and, overall, did a commendable job with the
echo. Many participants, however, disagreed with her, and traffic in
the echo dropped from more than one hundred messages a day to around
twenty-five or so. A competing echo was formed to appeal to those who
were disgruntled.
Shortly after I took back over in August 1995, I did a rewrite of the
rules and relaxed most of the more stringent rules on authors'
submissions, as well as softening the tone of others. My approach is
to handle rules violations as gently as the situation permits, and if
I have a problem with someone's submission, to negotiate something
acceptable to both sides. My "hardnose" moderating is done by netmail,
but I am visible in the echo on the more gentle admonitions.
Traffic is growing, but I still miss many of the people who were once
regulars in the conference, This is an open invitation to you to come
back and take a look. If you like what you see, stick around, and let
me know what you think of the new look by netmail or Email.
|Fidonet: Kent Anderson 1:382/1201
|Internet: Kent.Anderson@1201.ima.infomail.com
| Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own.
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FidoNet on the Internet
With my recent acquirement of an Internet account, I set out for looking
for where I could get FidoNet echomail and other services over the
Internet. I was amazed at the amount of FidoNet material available on
the Internet, but I have yet to find what I want.
Call me picky, but listen close. I am long distance from _ALL_ other
BBS's. The only local service is my Internet provider. I have in the
past gotten all my echomail and filebone materials for _FREE_ (from
normal charges) sites, such as some of the echomail stars. This has
cost me quite a bit. As such I can't currently maintain a very active
connection with FidoNet. When I started searching on the Internet for
an echomail and filebone feed, I did _NOT_ expect to pay more for
internet service than I do for my long distance to get my currently
dwindling FidoNet mail packets. However, that's all I can find. Sure,
the services look neat and all, but get real. First of all, this is a
hobby, and while a hobby isn't free, I really hate to see people living
off a hobby in that sense.
I imagine someone looking for a full feed could get by cheap with these
services, but I only gain to lose! Not to mention, I wanted to mention
a couple other things that these services are doing, that you may not be
FidoNews 13-14 Page: 4 01 Apr 1996
aware of. Call this a public service announcement. I won't mention any
names, you can use the Internet to figure out who I am talking about...
Just don't be suckered into these services until you have exhausted
other possibilities.
Among echomail, one of these services is also offering a few other
items, most specifically for FidoNet SysOps. While most of us do not
need these services, a few of you may, but before you think these
services are so nifty and fork out more money for them, make sure you
aren't already getting them for FREE!
One of the services is USENET NEWS. While some consider USENET NEWS to
be better than FidoNet, I think that FidoNet is not only ahead of
USENET, but far superior to USENET NEWS. However, many boards use
USENET news to attract subscribers. I have two comments on this. If
you are a user, and a potential subscriber to such a BBS, go get your
self an Internet account if possible. If you are a SysOp, and USENET
news is expensive, why carry it? Well, this one provider is offering
USENET news as a service. The only service they are actually providing
is the conversion to FTN compatible format and back. USENET NEWS
servers are often included in your Internet Account, and you just have
to know how to make it useful for you. Look around. There is a lot of
software out there to do this for your through your service providers
USENET NEWS server. Of course it might not be cheap, but its cost is
likely to be far less that what you might pay for a couple years feed of
USENET NEWS already converted to FTN formats...
The same provider is offering another service. Again, this service is
both ridiculous to me, and available else where for nothing. The
service is weather maps. Enough weather maps to fill a gig hard drive
in a few days! That's one reason I think weather maps are crazy to be
posting for your callers. You couldn't keep them up to date with the
way the service works. I however suggest going to text based weather
forecasts and current conditions route, which is generally free if you
can find cheap software to do this. The service exists all over the
Internet, so even if there is not a lot of software out there, there may
be other alternatives. However, if you really feel weather maps are
what you want, then try finding them for FREE! The provider providing
the service to FidoNet SysOps more than likely receives their copy for
FREE! I know I have ran across quite a few sites on the Internet
offering free maps.
With this all aside, I have decided I want a chance to take part in some
of this. So, I am asking, if any one is interested in an alternative
transport method over the Internet for FidoNet echomail and filebone
materials? I am planning of offering a SMALL feed of mail and files
from my Windows 95 BBS setup. The service will require, for the most
part, Windows 95, and a little manual time on your part. If your
interested, give me an email and I'll let you know what I have come up
with.
While I am on the subject... I want to attempt something else that is
rare, or at least I haven't found much of it(feel free to email me with
some details!) I want to test the limits of B.R.E. and F.E. over the
Internet. Any interested party who would like to join my 391 leagues,
FidoNews 13-14 Page: 5 01 Apr 1996
please write me. Currently, Windows 95 SysOps will have the easiest
access to these leagues, but email access is possible, and so might be a
couple other methods. I will try to accommodate any method of Internet
game data distribution that is both reliable and economical...
-|- Carl Morris (N0YUV) -|- 1:285/302 -|- msftrncs@htcnet.com -|-
-|- Hooper Connections BBS -|- 1(402)654-2102 -|- 28.8kbps V.34 -|-
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Monthly Gateway Info posting (UPDATED!)
Wes Mills (1:124/2342)
FidoNet<->Internet Gateway at 1:124/2342.999 and alt.bighub.org
----------------------------------------------------------------
Welcome to the Fidonet-Internet gateway run by Wes Mills!
I offer FidoNet and Internet members the opportunity to transfer mail
between these two networks.
Seeing as how the current default gateway is going down, and over 90% of
FidoNet will be without Internet e-mail service, we feel that it is time
for someone new to step in to take over this service.
Table of Contents:
1) Rules of the gateway
2) How to use the gateway
3) Top 10 ways to get banned
4) Contact information
5) Ways to bypass these rules
6) SPECIAL INFORMATION ABOUT THIS GATEWAY
---------------
1) Rules of the gateway
By learning from the mistakes and mishaps of the former default
gateway, we have put in this set of rules:
1) DO NOT, FOR ANY REASON, AT ANY TIME ATTEMPT TO BYPASS THE BANNED
ADDRESSES ON THIS GATEWAY.
2) Subscribing to any mailing lists is prohibited.
3) Exchanging of files is prohibited.
* 4) No mail is private.
5) Mail to *.z1.fidonet.org will be banned.
6) Please report any problems you experience.
* This should be taken as: I have no control over who reads your
mail before it gets to my system and after it leaves. You may use
PGP or any other encryption all you like.
2) How to use the gateway
You may address e-mail from the Internet in two different ways:
FidoNews 13-14 Page: 6 01 Apr 1996
STANDARD:
<name>%p##.f####.n###.z#@alt.bighub.org
FEWER KEYS METHOD:
<name>%z-nnn-ffff-p@alt.bighub.org
Examples:
STANDARD:
wes.mills%p4.f2342.n124.z1@alt.bighub.org
FEWER KEYS:
wes.mills%1-124-2342-4@alt.bighub.org
For sending from Fidonet to the Internet:
Use their regular e-mail address, but, for the node number, put
1:124/2342.999
OR>>>For the benefit of those used to the other method:
Address the message to UUCP @ 1:124/2342.999 and put, on the very
first blank like of the message:
TO:
followed by the Internet address. Press <ENTER> or <RETURN> three
times and type your message.
3) Top 10 ways to get banned
10) Subscribing to any mailing lists.
9) Trading any files (any encoding method).
8) Assuming mail is private and treating it that way.
7) Harassing users via this gateway.
6) Attempting to overload our pretty overloaded system.
5) Moving massive amounts of unnecessary mail.
4) Attempting to mis-direct other people's mail.
3) Forging messages.
2) Distributing illegal material.
AND, THE #1 WAY TO GET BANNED:
1) ANNOYING THE POSTMASTERS.
4) Contact Information
postmaster%1-124-2342-4@alt.bighub.org
postmaster @ 1:124/2342.4
Postal mail:
FidoNet<->Internet Gateway at alt.bighub.org
CompuShare Systems
P.O. Box 294621
Lewisville, TX 75029-4621
FidoNews 13-14 Page: 7 01 Apr 1996
5) Ways to bypass these rules
I'd like everyone to know that none of these rules are hard and
static. Exceptions can be granted to everyone of them, assuming the
request is reasonable. If you feel you have a need to do something
not permitted by these rules, and can present that argument
reasonably (i.e. not "because you feel like it"), please contact me
and we'll work something out.
postmaster@alt.bighub.org
6) SPECIAL INFORMATION ABOUT THIS GATEWAY
For this month's posting, I have something new to report: Because of
our "wonderful" telephone company, the gate won't have ISDN access
for about the next 6 months or so. This is reportedly due to the
fact that Texas Instruments is taking up all the ISDN switches, and
GTE isn't going to install any more until the ESS system is upgraded.
(darnit)
Also, thanks to the users who have obeyed the rules. Anyone notice
that this is section 6 this time? Be sure to read section 5.
And, finally, a few clarifications:
The exchanging of files restriction is in place for one reason, and one
reason O_N_L_Y:
When Netscape 1.2 came out, I still had the ftpmail addresses
enabled. 47 users requested the 2MB file, via MY GATEWAY, and
my 14.4k connection. Since the messages are split into 500
lines each to make it easier on FidoNet routing, that resulted
in some 1200 messages. That's a lot of hard disk space, folks,
and I cannot support that amount of traffic at one time. I'm
upgrading my hard disk to a 2GB disk, so the restriction may
be lifted soon.
Wes
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Backbone Echo Changes [Jan-Feb]
by Lisa Gronke, 1:105/61
lisa@psg.com
Summary of backbone & quasi-backbone echo changes during Jan & Feb
Brought to you courtesy of (unix) diff.
diff (backbone.na + backbone.no) 31-Dec-95 ditto 03-Mar-96 [edited]
Added to the backbone
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> 4X4 4X4 ECHO
> BBSDOORS Door Games relating to all BBS
FidoNews 13-14 Page: 8 01 Apr 1996
> BH90210 Beverly Hills 90210
> CALLSIGN Amateur Radio License Callsign Server Echo
> CELLULAR_II Cellular Telephones & Related Issues
> CHAMELEON Exotic Animals/Pets Chatter Conference
> CHURCH&STATE Separation of Church & State
> ER Discussion concerning tv show
> GOLDED.BETA Sysop msgbase reader for many BBS, Mailers, etc.
> LYRICS Posting and Discussion of Popular Song Lyrics
> MACOS Macintosh OS discussions, speculation, and help
> MAX_UTIL Maximus 3rd Party Utilities Echo
> MSGED_ECHO MSGED Support/Discussion/Solutions/etc
> NEEDLES_THREADS Sharing of sewing knowledge.
> PETADOPT Pet Adoption and Supply Echo
> PET_CHAT (low traffic since 3/1/96)
> SAILOR_MOON Sailor Moon Discussion Echo
> SET Setian Discussions
> SHARING FidoNet World Class, Global Communication
> SHOTGUN_BBS SHOTGUN PRO BBS SUPPORT ECHO
> TCPIP TCP/IP Protocol Suite Discussions
> TEEN&AIDS Aids Chat For Teens Affected/Infected By AIDS/HIV
> TRI_SYSOP TriBBS Sysop Forum
> WILDCAT4 Discussion of Wildcat up to version 4 by WCSysops
Removed from the backbone or quasi-backbone
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< AMIGA_DESKTOP (not in EchoList since 10/1/95)
< AMIGA_VIDEO (not in EchoList since 12/1/95)
< BOCA_MODEMS (not in EchoList since 11/1/95)
< DIRTY_DOZEN (not in EchoList since 11/1/95)
< ECHODOR (low traffic since 10/1/95)
< ECONET Ecology Network
< EC_DEV (low traffic since 11/1/95)
< FALCON_CBCS (low traffic since 10/1/95)
< FALKEN (not in EchoList since 9/1/95)
< GO_PROD_SUP Green/Ortiz Product Support Echo
< HOLY_BIBLE_II (not in EchoList since 10/1/95)
< LATEST_VERSIONS (low traffic since 10/1/95)
< MODS (low traffic since 12/1/95)
< MUSICIAN (not in EchoList since 9/1/95)
< NIGHT_SHIFT_ART-BELL Art Bell Radio Talk Show Discussion
< NIGHT_SHIFT_UFO Discussion of UFOs, Abductions etc.
< PCTOOLS (not in EchoList since 11/1/95)
< RUSH_FAN (not in EchoList since 10/1/95)
< STS (low traffic since 12/1/95)
< SYSOP_ISSUES (not in EchoList since 11/1/95)
< TAG_TALK (not in EchoList since 11/1/95)
< TRIBBS_SUPPORT TriBBS Support - The Official Conference
< UWSA United We Stand, America
< WINDOWS.PROG (not in EchoList since 10/1/95)
o There are 791 echos in backbone.na [03-Mar-95] (down 10)
o There are 54 echos in backbone.no [03-Mar-95] (up 10)
o for a total of 845 backbone & quasi-backbone echos (unchanged)
FidoNews 13-14 Page: 9 01 Apr 1996
That Gateway Thingie?
Michael White 1:124/2783
michael.white@puffs_revenge.tmb.org
Hey, ho, welcome and all that jaZz :) Thought I would pop in and have
a word or two and both entertain myself and enlighten a few peeps whilst
I was at it! I've read the last few or four copies of
fido_enlightenment_(in)digest(ion) over here and thought I would throw
in my invaluable <hush> comments since I've been up for thirty hours and
have nothing better to do at five in the afternoon. I've come to
realize that you guys created this sucker for my sole entertainment when
nothing inTeReStinG is going on in DFW or DFW_SALE (Hi Bill!!!;) and
thought I'd voice my thanks. <gee, what a pompus...Ahem..>
Anyways, to the few points:
>bighub.org
>C I A (1:2623/71)
>Greetings Wes!
>
>I just wanted to write and speak my view of your altruistic gateway
>service, as stated in this weeks fidonews:
>
>By learning from the mistakes and mishaps of the former default
>gateway, we have put in this set of rules:
>
>1) DO NOT, FOR ANY REASON, AT ANY TIME ATTEMPT TO BYPASS THE
>BANNED ADDRESSES ON THIS GATEWAY.
...hrm.. didn't know there were any banned addresses on the gateway!
>
>2) Subscribing to any mailing lists is prohibited.
...gee, I do! ...have been for quite a while over here actually,
funny, Gary even reminded me to cancel and resubscribe when he
changed servers.. hmm.. now while I could understand him getting
upset for BIG and Numerous lists that bogged the system down
I don't recall this rule..
>3) Exchanging of files is prohibited.
Hrm, don't recall that one either..
>4) No mail is private.
Now that's just plain SILLY, my mail is as public or private
as I care to make it. Gary doesn't even SEE the Inet mail
coming and going unless he is doing maint. and I don't know
why I couldn't encrypt it anyways. <sigh>
>These are the same rules that caused Burt Juda such strife and
>discontent.. Except, I do not think he went as far as to eschew the
>protection afforded by ECPA in regards to private mail.. I infer
>from your prohibition that PGP mail will be auto-deleted, also?
FidoNews 13-14 Page: 10 01 Apr 1996
...deleting stuff? phtbff!
>As I told Burt in the Snews a few weeks ago, these rules are anal
>and hamper communication...
...there you go again, What Rules? I don't Recall ANY...
>I admire your effort in offering the gateway, but, what use is it?
>You don't even grant respect for private mail..
...covered above :>
>Since you will not allow files or mailing lists, its just as
>useless as Juda's gate was, except for msgs that could easily be
>sent as echomail or netmail..
..also covered above :)
>As for not circumventing your little netmgr twit filter to get
>around 'banned' sites, well, unless you intend to pursue legal
>action (and can find the perpetrator) you're just blowing smoke..
>It's trivial to get around those twit filters from the Internet,
>you are aware of that?
...there are NO twit filters or banned sites :)
>Sigh...
>
>Why is it necessary to forbid mailing lists, when your downlinks
>will be the ones paying LD to pick them up? Why is it necessary to
>violate the ECPA, and throw away its protections, by claiming to
>disallow private mail? Why is it necessary to have 'twit filters'
>to keep people YOU don't like from using your supposedly open
>gateway?
...now, ahem... did I mention that there IS NO bighub.org ??
Well ok, there is a bighub.org, but it certainly isn't linked
to 2342. or 2342.99 or .999 so I have no idea how your
incoming mail is going to get to.
...yep, that's right. Seems Mr. Wes decided to come in here,
blab for a while, post his own Rules <rolling eyes> and create
his OWN Gate without bothering to ask Gary first if he could
use his system. <see, and you thought *I* was uppety;>
Here's what happened:
<<<IN SURROUND SOUND ORGASM!!>>> {where available}
...so I'm sitting here at the house reading this sucker and
see Gary's node number, but the sucker has a .999 attached to
the end of it. 'Hrm, that's strange, must be a typo, should
be .99 to send the imail out.' Then I read a bit further and
start to get ticked, I mean first this rules crap, then to top
it off nobody told the co-sysop about this bighub thingie??
Next day I go to work, walk in and Gary is busy doing his
FidoNews 13-14 Page: 11 01 Apr 1996
work stuff, I walk up, 'Gary, whats up with the I-Net Gateway?'
'What do you mean what's up?' ' I mean what's up with this
bighub.org and these stupid rules??' <his eyes get Really
Wide> <sheesh, that was priceless;> 'What do you mean??' says
he. 'You know, that crap in the Fido News, whats up with
all those rules and stuff and why is Wes posting .999 instead
of .99 and why is HE posting this stuff instead of you?
You've read it, haven't you?' <his eyes furrow> 'No, but I
will in the morning.' Needless to say he wasn't pleased,
heh.
Doesn't make sense why Wes would want to try and set something
up that's allready there.. hmm... <well, setting aside the
fact that he talked to everyone about it except the person who
everything would be going through;>
BUT in case you were wondering about the mail you might have
been sending? ...weel, if you've been sending it to .999 it
has been going out, but return mail has prolly been bounced
due to the fact that nobody KNEW about it coming in.
Anyways I discussed things with Gary and here's what he said:
>Ok the return address will be user.name@zone-net-node-
>point.tmb.org. All mail send to 1:124/2342.99 or
>1:124/2342.999 will be sent out. All incoming mail will be
>routed unless other arrangements are made.
(you don't have to put 0 in if your not a point)
If your local then your incoming mail will most likely
go straight to you, if your LD it will be routed netmail.
<the phone bills are allready outrageous>
Oh and read 'Social Constipation', ROFLMAO :)
...and since I'm here: (Death of Fido??)
Seems that everyone and their sister is commenting on the 'Death'
and all that jazz, I've read a lot of different opinions but
concluded that *I* <halo and appropriate music;> have the real
answer, heh. You see Fido is being forgotten. Period. No really,
go down to your local computer store or whatever and start asking
people if they have a modem and where they call with it. More
times than not your going to here something like Compuserve,
America Online, or one of the many NeW I-Net servers that are
popping up out of the woodwork. See, most people have never even
HEARD of a BBS. Really. ...and if they have it's usually something
bad. Fido? They never got that far. With all these other services
out there the local BBS never had a chance due to bad press for
the BBS, massive advertising for the Big Guys and so forth. The
ONLY newbies are the ones we bring in Ourselves.
Spread the WorD. (yes, I realize this was just covered, but since
(since I had allready typed it before I got the newNews...:)
MiChAeL@
FidoNews 13-14 Page: 12 01 Apr 1996
Yet more suggestions to enhance Fido
By Louie Gonsalves 1:3604/43
louie.gonsalves@phosphor.datasync.com
Hi there. I got another suggestion to enhance Fidonet (from the
user's perspective)... these may seem a bit straining on the sysop's
side, though... but sometimes sacrifices must be made to benefit the
whole, not the few.
Here goes:
1. Several othernets have a mandatory general chat echo that all
systems must carry. In Fido, it could be INTERUSER. A
mandatory chat echo would give users a "default" echo to start
Fido with. I've seen users get flustered with posting off-topic
messages in all sorts of echoes. I usually try to educate
newbies on Fido etiquette, but sometimes...
2. Routed netmail for all nodes, regardless of Zone. I know this
topic has been beat to death in the past, but it's a feature that
would greatly enhance service to users. Once routed netmail has
been established for all nodes, then perhaps sysops will start
offering read/write access to users. And if the users are happy,
the sysops are happy... and if sysops are happy, then Fido, as a
whole, is happy.
That's all for this issue...
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========================================================================
Fidonews Information
========================================================================
------- FIDONEWS MASTHEAD AND CONTACT INFORMATION ----------------
Editor: Donald Tees
Editors Emeritii: Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell,
Vince Perriello, Tim Pozar
Tom Jennings, Sylvia Maxwell
"FidoNews" BBS
FidoNet 1:1/23
BBS +1-519-570-4176, 300/1200/2400/14400/V.32bis/HST(DS)
more addresses:
Don -- 1:221/192, don@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
(Postal Service mailing address)
FidoNews
154 Victoria St. S.
Kitchener, Ontario
Canada
N2H 2b5
FidoNews 13-14 Page: 13 01 Apr 1996
voice: (519) 570-4899
Fidonews is published weekly by and for the members of the FIDONET
INTERNATIONAL AMATEUR ELECTRONIC MAIL system. It is a compilation
of individual articles contributed by their authors or their
authorized agents. The contribution of articles to this compilation
does not diminish the rights of the authors. Opinions expressed in
these articles are those of the authors and not necessarily those of
FidoNews.
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