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F I D O N E W S -- Vol.12 No.15 (10-Apr-1995)
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| A newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: |
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| /|oo \ | Sheep affairs desk: |
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| (_| /_) | Doc Logger 1:163/110 |
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| _`@/_ \ _ | Rev. Richard Visage 1:163/409 |
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| | (*) | \ )) | Editors: |
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| |__U__| / \// | Donald Tees 1:221/192 |
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| _//|| _\ / | Sylvia Maxwell 1:221/194 |
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| (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. |
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| | -- JOSEPH PULITZER |
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| Submission address: editors 1:1/23 |
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| Don -- don@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca |
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| Max -- max@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca |
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| Tim Pozar -- pozar@kumr.lns.com |
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| For information, copyrights, article submissions, |
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| obtaining copies of fidonews or the internet gateway faq |
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Table of Contents
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1. Editorial..................................................... 1
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2. Articles...................................................... 2
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Response to "Who Owns an Echo?"............................. 2
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STAR TREK CUSTOMIZABLE CARD GAME............................ 4
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Moebius Magazine............................................ 5
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An Echo a day............................................... 5
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The Neophyte's Guide to FIDO................................ 6
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Fantacize if you MUST, but reality is here.................. 10
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New echo for Respiratory Therapy............................ 11
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3. Fidonews Information.......................................... 12
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Editorial
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FidoNews 12-15 Page: 2 10 Apr 1995
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Puppy had kittens today. Puppy, for those of you that are
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not regular readers, is our cat. There is nothing like a
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gaggle of kittens thundering arround a house to remind one what
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is important, and what is not. I am looking forward to watching
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them discover the world.
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The ECROC issue continues to be debated with several
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articles this week. While I am not against ECROC in the sense
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that I see no place for it, I still cannot understand why its'
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proponents insist it has to be the *only* ethical standard
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allowed. Cyberspace is not real space. One can create a new
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echo as fast as one can string together a unique tagname. There
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is room for *every* set of standards, not just one. Variety
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gives us choice, and allows evolution. Insisting on a social
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standard where none is neccessary can only be restrictive.
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Max and I have been thinking that it may be time to pass
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the Snooze on to new editors. We have been doing it for almost
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two years. There exists no real mechanism for doing that, beyond
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how we obtained the job. Tom Jennings asked for volunteers, and
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chose a pair from the respondents.
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I would suggest that a single person might not be a good
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idea, as it can get quite onerous week after week. There is a
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solid three or four hours of work every sunday, without fail.
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The correspondence adds to that, and can get to be as large a
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job as you allow it to be. Between us, I suspect we average
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fifteen to twenty hours per week.
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Here is the news.
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Articles
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Response to "Who Owns an Echo?"
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by Jerry Schwartz 1:142/928
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FIDONEWS Vol 12, No 14
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In response to Jerry Schwartz's article in a recent edition of
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Fidonews, I must say that I am all for his beliefs and way of thinking
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when it comes to moderating of echoes. Although I am not an echo
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moderator (but just simply an average Fidonet citizen), I also feel
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that a moderator DOES own an echo. Many echoes were BEGUN by the
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moderators that now control them. That is, the moderators that SHOULD
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be able to control them (without being excessively criticized by Bob
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Moravsik and others, who seem to want this world called Fidonet to
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follow THEIR train of thought exclusively).
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A moderator, without a shadow of a doubt in MY mind, should be able to
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take any action they feel necessary against an offending party.
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Moderators do not exist simply to amuse the crowd with their anitcs,
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but they exist to maintain order, keep discussions on topic, or do
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pretty much whatever they please. And this is, and should continue
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FidoNews 12-15 Page: 3 10 Apr 1995
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to be, their right.
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Once a person is appointed to moderate an echo, his decisions MUST be
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allowed to stand. As Jerry pointed out, a weak moderator can mean a
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weak echo.
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Nonetheless, echo moderators should be in complete control of their
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echo. They should be allowed to take whatever course of action they
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feel necessary, whether it be simply a warning or the cutting of a
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feed. I DO believe, however, that each moderator should have a set of
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rules that they post regularly from time to time. However, if they do
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NOT post any rules for that echo, then they CANNOT justify any cutting
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off of a feed without first warning the offender.
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But here's what I'm really getting at:
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Echoes cannot exist without people writing messages in them. An echo
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can also not exist without an active and effective moderator. It
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humors me to see people complaining about an echo, when it's often
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their complaints and messages that cause the echo to become stagnant.
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A good example comes to mind: the SYSOP echo. This, from what I
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understand, was the ORIGINAL international Fidonet sysop chat echo
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(but one would never know from reading through the immature nonsense
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that goes on there). The MODERATOR, in my opinion, was not to blame.
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The WRITERS in SYSOP, at first, were not to be blamed either. But
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what started as a simple misunderstanding and software goof turned
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into a crazy thread of replies, thus continuing the nonsense. Okay,
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big deal..wow..Somebody wrote a message to "sysop". Everyone thought
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this was funny (since only sysops write in the echo in the first place),
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but it wasn't enough just to write one short reply with some funny
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comment. Instead, it has resulted in a huge battle of flaming and an
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immense number of messages written to and/or from "sysop".. Instead of
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helping to end the problem by just simply not continuing to reply, many
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of the SYSOP echo participants continue to send responses to these
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messages. They complain all the while, when THEY are the ones causing
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the problem now.
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My point behind all of that is this: A moderator should have complete
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control over an echo, and any disgruntled message writer should first
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review their OWN personal conduct before pointing their finger and
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trying to introduce and encourage new policies. I'm not saying that
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I've been perfect myself: everyone has disagreements from time to time.
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But no one can ever say that I've ever argued with a moderator, cussed
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one out, or ever tried to thwart the "evil" intentions of a moderator
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by trying to form my own policy that I think the rest of the net, for
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some reason, should also come to accept.
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Simply put, I am against any new Fidonet "legislation" or policy
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governing and restricting the powers of echo moderators. I consider
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any such policy ridiculous to the uttermost extent, and will not support
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it in any way.
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Phillip Murray
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1:3648/12
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FidoNews 12-15 Page: 4 10 Apr 1995
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STAR TREK CUSTOMIZABLE CARD GAME
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I would like to introduce a new echo that has just been added to
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the Fido Net Backbone. It is called "STARTREK_CCG", which stands for
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Star Trek Customizable Card Game. For those of you who are not familiar
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with the game, it is a 60 card deck that you customize. You can buy
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basically as many cards as you want (363 different cards currently
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available), You decide what affiliation you want to be, choose 6
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different missions, choose what dilemma's that you wish to cast upon
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your opponent, build your ship (I prefer the USS Enterprise, but you may
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prefer a Klingon or Romulan Ship instead). Put a crew on, and
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accomplish your missions, and finish before your opponent does. One
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with most points win.
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In this echo we discuss each card in detail, post news items as they
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become available, trade cards (they are also very collectable), discuss
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different stategies, and answer as many questions as we can. Note below
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is not even a fraction of what has been mentioned in the echo so far.
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Q: STRATEGY BOOK -- Is there going to be a Strategy
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Book?
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Q: MOT THE BARBER -- What about cards that seem to have
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no use, like Mot the Barber?
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Q: LEADERSHIP -- How does "leadership" work? Are all
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Officers leaders or are only people with "Leadership"
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leaders?
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Q: "DISCARD DILEMMA" -- What does "Discard dilemma" on
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several of the Dilemma cards mean?
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Q: SUPERNOVA -- Can Kevin Uxbridge stop the Supernova?
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For answers to these questions and many many more, plus have a good
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time with us in this echo, have your sysop to join this echo. It is
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newly available on the Backbone. Any system not having access to this
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echo netmail me to 1:2602/510, and I will see what I can do to find a
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feed for you.
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You may try this echo FREE for 30 Days. If you like it, continue
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to carry it for FREE... Any way you look at it.. It is a free echo
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with alot of good news items relating to the Star Trek Customizable Card
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Game. I hope to see you there.
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John Campbell
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Moderator
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1:2602/510
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FidoNews 12-15 Page: 5 10 Apr 1995
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Moebius Magazine.
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From: Antonio Sanchez (2:345/803.21)
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Hola, como se anda por esos lares de Dios Sylvia!
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I write to you, in my bad english, to report you about
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a new idea haved in Granada (Spain). That idea is a Magazine, a
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graphics magazine for VGA users which is named Moebius Magazine.
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This magazine is Register for Europe with the Legal Deposit n<>
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GR.-254/95.
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The magazine is made for de nodes Atlantis and Unibase
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addresses 2:345/801 y 2:345/803. Moebius is made to join our BBS
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in a common work. So we like that you speak up about our
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magazine in yours, in date 15-04-95 the magazine will be avaible
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in Atlantis (2:345/801)
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If you want to get the first number you only have to
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make an FREQ or call at the number:
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Atlantis BBS
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Tlf: 34-58-12.38.48
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Director: Antonio Sanchez 2:345/803.21
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Sub.Dir : Jesus Alonso 2:345/801.31
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thanks for your patience.
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Saludos Tete.
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InterNet ---> ASanchez@p21.unibase.ecomix.com
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FodoNet ---> 2:345/803.21
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RedBBS ---> 757:601/4.21
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ZyxelNet ---> 16:1400/204.21
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MagicNet ---> 90:9100/203.21
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Alguien sabe qu<71> hago aqu<71>.... ;-?
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An Echo a day...
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Joe Klemmer - 1:109/370
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klemmerj@hoffman-emh1.army.mil
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Echomail. What an interesting phenomenon. In the last few issues
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of Fidonews there's been a discussion of moderators and their ability
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to cut links. Should this be? Is it right to allow someone to
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indiscriminately cut feeds on a whim?
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Hell yes!
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Here's the point, as I see it. A moderator is 'god' on his/her
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echo. If we, as participants of that echo, don't like how it's run or
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FidoNews 12-15 Page: 6 10 Apr 1995
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anything else about it we are free to leave. "Vote with your feet,"
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as the saying goes. And, as Jerry Schwartz pointed out, _anyone_ can
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just simply start their own echo if they really want to. A good case
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in point -
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HOLY_BIBLE
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HOLY_BIBLE_II
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HOLY_BIBLE_CRS (not positive on this one, it's so new).
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There's another thing to remember. There's pretty much nothing a
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moderator can do to you outside of cutting your feed. Your node
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number is not in jeopardy over anything that happens in an echo, at
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least not in Zone 1. Nor is your ability to send/receive netmail and
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files.
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The bottom line in all this is if you like participating in an echo
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then play by the rules, if you don't like it just leave. It's the
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simplest of situations. The power of Fidonet is what makes it so
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simple.
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SURFACE MAIL: USAPPC, ASQZ-IMA
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Bld I, Room 1034
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2461 Eisenhower Av.
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Alexandria, VA 22331-0302
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The Neophyte's Guide to FIDO
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By Red E. Mailscan
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Chapter One
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You are a new sysop. We all know that. We saw you pop up in our
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nodediff processors just the other day. New meat. Yum yum.
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Sure, we know you have read and understand Policy Four and
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understand what it means (ha ha). Sure you personally signed a netmail
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message saying you believe in it and have saluted the FIDO flag, have
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paid into your local mail-factory/host and generally pleased the NC.
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Welcome aboard. You are now a certified nodelisted FIDO sysop with
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all of the powers and responsibility that are required to run a real
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live BBS with all kinds of message areas full of all kinds of neet
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people who want to talk about really neet-o keen things that you have
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been just DYING to talk about. Wowie Nellie, cut me loose I've got my
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pants full of hornets..........
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Probably you have noticed that nobody is very damned excited about
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it but you. Maybe that is because a lot of us have seen hundreds...maybe
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even thousands in some cases...of newbies come and go. Sometimes they
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are kids going back to school and taking their boards down at the end of
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summer. Occasionally, we may get what I call a "supernova" that blows
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into cyber-town and rustles some cattle and then leaves shooting up the
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saloon and cathouse during their usual hasty exit.
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FidoNews 12-15 Page: 7 10 Apr 1995
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There is that brave soul who makes it and weathers the hurricanes of
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the net from time to time, but a good many quit because of some
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difference with another sysop and a perceived lack of interest from the
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all-knowing beings we call the "Fidogawds". This is pretty evident,
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since any nitwit can see that a great deal of the Snooze is consumed
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with some net wanting to string up their NC for flicking boogers at a
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pizza party or even recall elections for all of Eastern Europe, England,
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South America, Hong Kong (hong kong?). Yes, PeeFour Lawyering is a big
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business in FIDO and I'll file on you if you say it isn't.(just kidding)
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If you believe in PeeFour Lawyers, then they can cause you
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heartache, misery, high telephone bills, headaches, ulcers, shitfits and
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other problems. That is why I don't believe in them. I have been
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watching and I think I am right. PeeFour Lawyers are some sort of
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role-playing game that requires netmail and someone who gives a shit.
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Sorta like the old Eliza smartassed psycho-whatchamacallit program that
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would carry on idiotic dialogue for those unable to figure out where the
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<esc> key was. The unfortunate thing is that some of the *C's
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(pronounced "StarSees" syn.(FIDOgawds)) do believe in PeeFour Lawyers.
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Luckily for us, a great number do not believe in PeeFour Lawyers and
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refuse to accept their existance...even at times to the point of
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"losing" netmailed demands for a decision and blatently ignoring a sysop
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who is screaming bloody murder.
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The trick to making it in FIDO is not believing in PeeFour Lawyers.
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Most PeeFour Lawyers are nutballs, everyone knows it....so don't sweat
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it. If you pissed some jerk off and he wants to file on you and say your
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dog wears pink-laced underwear...BFD...he's a jerk. Tell him to file it
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where the sun don't shine.(usually some fidogawd's inbound)
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If you haven't actually been a class "A1" world-class dumbshit odds
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are that you won't ever hear crap from anyone. Believe it or not, most of
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these FIDOgawds have jobs and wives and kids and car payments and
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humongous telephone bills and all kinds of things that will make
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_your_ nefarious misdeed of sayyyy...crossposting messages from
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SATAN_WORSHIP to the BAPTIST_WOMEN echo....a minor occurance of
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rebellion that they must see maybe 50 times a day on average. I don't blame
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them. If I had to hack through 50 or 60 messages a day that were nothing
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but one sysop whining about another sysop I wouldn't even consider anything
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that wasn't pretty spectacular.(Like launching an anti-satellite weapon
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against Planet Connect)
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Your best bet is to ignore a PeeFour Lawyer. Let them be the
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frustrated and outraged sysop and you kick back and chill your heels
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while his/her blood pressure blows. Let them be pissed because nobody
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listens to them. It gets rather comical when you let it go and watch it
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all self-destruct because you _refuse_ to believe in the PeeFour Lawyer
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or his/her PeeFour LegitBitch(TM).
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Let me give an example to better illustrate the concept to the newer
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and less sysoply persons who may have just tuned in:
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______________________________________________________________________
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Date April 2,1995
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From: Tran Bin Hmong (6:687/444)
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To: Michael Johnson (1:106/3323)
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FidoNews 12-15 Page: 8 10 Apr 1995
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Sub: Your CAT_TORTURE echo
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cc: NC 1:106/0
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RC 1:19/0
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ZC 1:1/0
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Mr. Johnson,
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After reading your article in FIDOnews, I must conclude that your
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echo will violate the community standards in Phu Bok and must file
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grievance with FIDO on you. I wish to make Policy Four complaint as
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torturing cats in Phu Bok is a crime and so is talk about it. I demand
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retraction and apology and suspension of node number from your boss-san
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node person. You in big trouble.
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Respectfully yours,
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Tran Bin Hmong
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Phu Bok ASPCA/PETA
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Wow, what a cool inbound netmail! I mean wow! MAJOR CHILL..!
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...that is until.......
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Date April 9,1995
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From: Joe Starsee (FIDOGAWD_LOCAL_COMMAND)
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To: Michael Johnson (1:106/3323)
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Sub: Your CAT_TORTURE echo
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cc: RC 1:19/0
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Hey Mike. You are going to have to lay off the cat-hate stuff,
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guy. I have about 5 hundred stinking netmail messages here that range
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from polite urgings to burn you at the stake to some rather inventive
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sexual fantasy stuff. I can't take this much longer so just cool it
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or I am going to have to cut your ass out of the nodelist or
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something. Now cool that damned CAT_TORTURE echo and I mean now.
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Please.....
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BTW, there is one guy who has actually filed a damned PeeFour
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complaint against you from (get this) VietNam because they have some
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kind of law against talking about torturing cats. So, if you are
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sending this damned echo to VietNam....STOP IT!!! Thanks in advance
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for cooling the cat echo..
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Joe Starsee
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LOCAL_FIDOGOD
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-----------------------------------------------------------------------
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Now what? You really do want that echo to go, but now there go
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the problems. I suggest you first reply to the LOCAL_FIDOGAWD and
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pump his ego, and form a relationship with conspiratorial undertones
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based on something you may have in common. In this situation, you can
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exploit the fact that the complainer is not an American........good
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safe bet....
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FidoNews 12-15 Page: 9 10 Apr 1995
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_______________________________________________________________________
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Date April 13,1995
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From: Michael Johnson (1:106/3323)
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To: Joe Starsee (FIDOGAWD_LOCAL_COMMAND)
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Sub: PeeFour Lawyers
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js> BTW, there is one guy who has actually filed a damned PeeFour
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complaint
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js>inst you from (get this) VietNam because they have some
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kind of law
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js>inst talking about torturing cats. So, if you are
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sending this damned echo
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js>VietNam....STOP IT!!! Thanks in advance
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for cooling the cat echo..
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Hi, Joe.
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Looks to me as if this might be one of the older Viets that might
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even have participated in the war, and I don't mean on our side.
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Probably a paid troublemaker sent in to forment unrest before they
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attempt some type of repeat of the Tet offensive. SOrry, I won't take
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down my favourite echo because some slopehead had a cow about us
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skinning a few cats.
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I only regret that they never let us really go in and work on
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those red assholes or these problems might not be surfacing today. We
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could have FIXED this problem then....but NOOOOOOoooooooo. Well, at
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|
least I know a real American like you will see through this little
|
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|
sneaky Maoist's propaganda attack and see it for what it really
|
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|
is...an attack on our American way of life!
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Yours in the Second Amendment,
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|
Mike
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--------------------------------------------------------------------
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There, now you have caused your LOCAL_FIDOGAWD to view you in a
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new light. He now thinks you are a dangerous nutball who hoardes
|
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sophisticated weaponry. This makes you someone he doesn't want to be
|
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|
around. He responds to the complainer.....
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____________________________________________________________________
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|
Date April 21,1995
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|
From: Joe Starsee (LOCAL_FIDOGAWD_CONTROL)
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|
To: Tran Bin Hmong (6:687/444)
|
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|
Sub: Michael Johnson's cat echo
|
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|
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|
Sorry Tran, I have to deny your complaint on the grounds that
|
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|
Mike doesn't give a shit. Even worse, he is now very pissed off and
|
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|
we will have to administer Prozac in conjunction with Lithium and
|
|||
|
pizza to get him to shut the hell up. You really started some crap
|
|||
|
here and now the guys over on the southeast side of town are
|
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|
threatening to burn down the consulate here and pee on your flag. I
|
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|
would suggest that you just shut up and maybe all of this will blow
|
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|
over without these guys getting out of hand. I am not kidding, one of
|
|||
|
them greased the floor of a local gay bar last year and it took us
|
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|
FidoNews 12-15 Page: 10 10 Apr 1995
|
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|
|
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|
five hours to pry all of the conga-line dancers apart. These guys are
|
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|
crack mess-detail cooks and I wouldn't put anything past
|
|||
|
them....including deep-frying a cat and mailing it to you....probably
|
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|
with postage due.
|
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|
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|
FIDOGOD_LOCAL
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Joe Starsee
|
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__________________________________________________________________
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|
(continued next chapter)
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----------------------------------------------------------------------
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|
Fantacize if you MUST, but reality is here.
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|
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|
by Bob Moravsik
|
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|
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|
I see that our objective editor is only objective from a biased
|
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|
point of view. As long as the issue is one they agree with,
|
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|
objectivity flows abundantly. I'd bet if the 30,000+ nodes were
|
|||
|
to vote on ECROC vs the childish...mine mine mine mentality,
|
|||
|
ECROC would win by a landslide of lets say...hmmm there are
|
|||
|
700 echos, less then 400 have society's failures as moderator...
|
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|
about 350 to 32,659.
|
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|
|
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|
Mr. Rice offers his bizzare opinion that a mere threat of legal
|
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|
action (even if justified), cause one to be lined up on the
|
|||
|
tanks and shot. Saddam would be proud. This is a
|
|||
|
communication media. Words are the precious pearls that
|
|||
|
subsidize the system. Once mere words (note I said mere words,
|
|||
|
so stow the yelling fire in a movie theater mentality) become
|
|||
|
the basis for puntative measures it would be a sad day.
|
|||
|
Gentlemen, the Iron Curtain fell down.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
Next Mr. Schwartz tries to teach us about property rights.
|
|||
|
Claims moderators own echos. Right from the....uhhhh...comic
|
|||
|
book ? Policy 4 has no reference to moderators...NOT ONE
|
|||
|
JURISPRUDENT SYSTEM ON THIS EARTH would recognize any
|
|||
|
property rights. Then where does this theory come from. I have
|
|||
|
a good guess. There are people who have not been able
|
|||
|
to make their mark on society under the current "rules". Hence
|
|||
|
they fantacize and create new ones. They pontificate these
|
|||
|
"reserve the right to do anything" sentences and get orgasmic
|
|||
|
glee out of send netmail warnings. (I just got one from Bruce
|
|||
|
Bodger, quoting all the rules but not specifying which
|
|||
|
rule was broken...heck...I could do THAT with a birthday wish)
|
|||
|
Its irrelavant whether there is "good cause".
|
|||
|
Its more a therapy to make up for societies' rejection. These
|
|||
|
types need constant self reinforcement that "they matter".
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
I can set up a simple experiement. Mr. Rice, Mr Schwartz and I
|
|||
|
route echo FOOBAR. Mr. Schwatz is moderator. He links to Rice;
|
|||
|
Rice links to me. I break an instantly made rule under the
|
|||
|
reserve rights nonsense. Mr. Rice crys foul, cuts Schwatz out.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
OK...if Schwatz really owned this echo, he would have a REMEDY.
|
|||
|
FidoNews 12-15 Page: 11 10 Apr 1995
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
He has none. Sooooo what is this "moderator's own echo" theory
|
|||
|
based on. I claim NOTHING, ZILCH, NADA, ZERO and ZIP. P4 and
|
|||
|
our jurisprudent systems, reflect society's norms. Not only
|
|||
|
does Schwatz disagree with ME...he disagrees with society. I
|
|||
|
Mean...Mr. Schwatz...if you want to pontificate a position
|
|||
|
at LEAST give us the foundation where this theory orginates.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
Don't get me wrong. I never said moderators shouldn't be given
|
|||
|
rights. I merely point out nobody who matters have bestowed
|
|||
|
any rights on moderators. ECROC is just a balance. Sure,
|
|||
|
one can make up the senario of a disruptive user as easy as
|
|||
|
another can make up one of a disruptive moderator. Both
|
|||
|
should have the same outcome...REMOVAL....AFTER DUE PROCESS.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
Now, I understand there might be this secret project in
|
|||
|
the works of developing an echopol. Hopefully those
|
|||
|
doing the big picture thing, will recognize that a balance
|
|||
|
must be struck between the relative rights of the 5
|
|||
|
interests. Posters, Moderators, Routers, *C's and them other
|
|||
|
guys/girls that help the *C. Until then..Mr. Schwartz, I
|
|||
|
reject your ownership claim. Go threaten to sue me and
|
|||
|
I'll get Mr. Rice after you. Meantime I'll sit back
|
|||
|
and have a good laugh at both of you along with most of
|
|||
|
the other Fidonet members.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
***end*** (fer now)
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
New echo for Respiratory Therapy
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
New Echo devoted to Respiratory Therapy
|
|||
|
From: Jim Jeffcoat (1:280/99)
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
Hello everyone out there in Fido-land!
|
|||
|
- Are you a Respiratory Therapist?
|
|||
|
- Do you know a BBS user who is?
|
|||
|
- Are you the SysOp of a medical or health-care related BBS?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
If the answer to any of the above questions is yes, then you need
|
|||
|
to know about the RCP echo! RCP (Respiratory Care Professionals)
|
|||
|
is a brand new echo that is devoted to the profession of Respiratory
|
|||
|
Therapy. With the fast breaking changes in our profession, such
|
|||
|
as hospital redesign & consolidation of services, patient-focused
|
|||
|
care, therapist-driven protocols, state legal credentialing, advice
|
|||
|
on how to study for your boards, and pontentially a myriad of other
|
|||
|
issues, the need for RT's to communicate with each other to share
|
|||
|
experiences, exchange ideas, and solve problems is more vital than
|
|||
|
ever, especially in the realm of electronic communications.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
"But," you may ask, "isn't the AARC starting an online information
|
|||
|
network to do just that?" Sure they are! And if you've got the
|
|||
|
BUCKS, it will be real nice. BUT... consider: their rate is going
|
|||
|
to be $9.95 per hour of connect time (plus a $9.95 one-time fee for
|
|||
|
the software, which, incidently, will require at least a 386 PC and
|
|||
|
FidoNews 12-15 Page: 12 10 Apr 1995
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
Windows 3.1). And, you have to be a *member* of the AARC in order
|
|||
|
to get this at all. (Not that I have anything against belonging to
|
|||
|
the AARC, but the fact remains that that not all respiratory care
|
|||
|
practitioners are.) The article in the _AARC Times_ boasts that it will
|
|||
|
have an offline reading feature to "save you money". OK, let's say
|
|||
|
you're on line with the AARC's service (contracted through SpaceWorks)
|
|||
|
3 to 4 minutes a day to download mail and upload replies. That comes to
|
|||
|
$15 to $20 per month -- probably about what you'd spend in a whole year
|
|||
|
for FidoNet. And if you spend any significant amount of time online
|
|||
|
doing article searching, that will add up to even more real fast.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
By contrast, we all know how cost effective FidoNet is. Almost anyone
|
|||
|
with a computer and modem can very likely access a FidoNet BBS within
|
|||
|
their local calling area. And I have seen very few boards that charge
|
|||
|
more than $20-$30 a year for access. (In fact, in my area believe it or
|
|||
|
not, there are still FidoNet BBS's that are free!). I rest my case on
|
|||
|
which is the better deal: FidoNet's RCP echo vs AARC Online. Not to
|
|||
|
mention that if you aren't an AARC member, use a 286 or older computer,
|
|||
|
or don't use Windows, their network will not be available to you
|
|||
|
at all!
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
The RCP echo is now on the North American backbone, so if you're
|
|||
|
interested, check with your SysOp or NEC for a feed. And you do not
|
|||
|
necessarily have to be a Respiratory Therapist to participate -- we
|
|||
|
welcome all health care professionals, plus anyone in general who is
|
|||
|
interested in the field of Respiratory Care. So come join us! If
|
|||
|
you need more information, you can contact me via Netmail at 1:280/99,
|
|||
|
or my E-mail address (see below).
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
Jim Jeffcoat
|
|||
|
Moderator -- RCP
|
|||
|
1:280/99 jim.jeffcoat@howard.interstate.net
|
|||
|
|
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|
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|
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|
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|
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|
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|
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|
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|
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|
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|
|||
|
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|
|||
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|
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|
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|
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