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Volume 4, Number 25 6 July 1987
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Editor in Chief: Thom Henderson
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Chief Procrastinator Emeritus: Tom Jennings
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FidoNews is published weekly by the International FidoNet
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Association as its official newsletter. You are encouraged to
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submit articles for publication in FidoNews. Article submission
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standards are contained in the file ARTSPEC.DOC, available from
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node 1:1/1.
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Copyright 1987 by the International FidoNet Association. All
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rights reserved. Duplication and/or distribution permitted for
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noncommercial purposes only. For use in other circumstances,
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please contact IFNA.
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Six Weeks to FidoCon!
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Table of Contents
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1. ARTICLES ................................................. 1
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A word from the Broadcast Echos .......................... 1
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National EchoMail Conference List ........................ 3
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FREEWARE: The End of Amateur Programming? ................ 14
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Once Upon the Future ..................................... 16
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New EchoMail Area for Mainframe Folks .................... 18
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More Talk About PK vs. ARC ............................... 19
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Mail Relays .............................................. 20
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Turbo C - V 1.0 - A Product Review ....................... 22
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Does IFNA Matter Outside the USA ? ....................... 25
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The creation of FUN ...................................... 27
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US Naval Observatory Time Now Available .................. 28
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NEW FIDO(tm) OPUS(tm) SEADOG(tm) UTILITY ................. 29
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2. COLUMNS .................................................. 31
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Borland's Turbo C: Review, part 1 ........................ 31
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The Regular Irregular Column ............................. 34
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3. FOR SALE ................................................. 38
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COMPUTER PACKAGE FOR SALE ................................ 38
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4. NOTICES .................................................. 39
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The Interrupt Stack ...................................... 39
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regarding fnews424 ....................................... 39
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Latest Software Versions ................................. 39
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International FidoNet Conference Registration Form ....... 41
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IFNA Order Form .......................................... 42
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FidoNews 4-25 Page 1 6 Jul 1987
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ARTICLES
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Glen Jackson
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Fido/SEAdog 100/517
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Updates and such
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First of all, It's sure good to be back into the net. We went
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down around May 10th for our big move, and with the move came a
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new phone number. Please, if you are at all interested in the
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Broadcast Echos, jot this number down. 100/517 is now at
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1-314-928-2501.
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We're slowly growing in our little echo. We now carry three
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seperate message areas dedicated the broadcast industry. They are
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1)Conversations for the public and broadcasters, 2) Jobs and
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situations in the broadcast industry, and 3)for Broadcasters
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only.
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To keep you up to date, these nodes carry the echos. If you would
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like to participate, drop us netmail at 100/517, and we will co-
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ordinate you into the topology. PLEASE - we would prefer to do
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the co-ordinating so we can keep track of this echo. Here is who
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currently participates:
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113/1 Small_Biz_Net Honolulu, HI
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501/4697 SVT_Public_TV Stockholm, Sweden
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135/1 Ram_Soft Miami, FL
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104/69 Metroplex Denver, CO
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151/301 BNC_Connector Boone, NC
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125/406 KLOK_FM San Francisco, CA
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151/108 Drums_Opus Cary, NC
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11/107 Bourbonnis_BBS Bourbonnis, IL
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19/3 Dark_Cavern Lawton, OK
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150/614 Charis_TBBS Philadelphia, PA
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135/11 FL
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104/108 Micro_Link Littleton,CO
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969/500 NY
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150/600 Philadelphia_Hub Pydal, PA
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We currently set aside the time between 1:15 AM and 1:45 AM
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(Central) for polling. Since we now have SEAdog, polls can be
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accepted at any time.
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NEXT - MSGDB
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Recently we introduced a new utility, MSGDB. This is for OPUS and
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FIDO sysops that want to do full message bit editing in all of
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their message areas, or move a message from one area to another.
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It can be file requested from either 100/510 or 100/517. The file
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to ask for is MSGDB.ARC.
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FINALLY - another BBS interface
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FidoNews 4-25 Page 2 6 Jul 1987
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We are also working on a full implementation of a WWIV BBS
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network interface. If any of you have had experience with WWIV,
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or logged on to a WWIV system, you know that this is a good
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message base BBS. When we finish, WWIV will be able to handle all
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netmail and echomail capabilities. If you have any comments on
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this, just leave me a note.
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NOW - the soapbox
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Short, but sweet. This week I dropped the SYSOP ECHO. After not
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being on the network for 6 weeks, I picked up all of my back
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logged sysop echomail. Nothing has changed much. No sense in
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carrying the same old same old and wasting disk space with it.
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LET'S FINISH
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We have a few TV people on the Broadcast echo that are asking for
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more participation. It seems like the radio people do all the
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talking. Is the reason the TV people are so quiet on the echo
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because they want to be seen as well as be heard? Let's hope not.
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I want to thank all of you for the support you've been over the
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last few weeks. I certainly enjoy the network!
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Give us a shout with any comments, etc at 100/517!
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FidoNews 4-25 Page 3 6 Jul 1987
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This is the FIDONEWS version of the ECHOLIST. A more detailed
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version showing networks served, secondary "contact" nodes,
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approximate traffic volume, number of participating nodes and
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more can be File Requested as ECHOLIST.ARC from
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107/316 Thomas Kenny
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107/269 Mitch Kessler
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We hope that more SEAdog running BBSs will want to help
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distribute the ECHOLIST. Ideally such a board would allow first
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time callers to File Request or download the list at 2400 Baud.
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There's been a bit of a change in the format of the FidoNews
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version of the list this month: proposed conferences are at the
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end of the list in their own section, and ECHOS that do not name
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a moderator or coordinator are not listed.
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AA_NA (Recovery) David Dodell 114/15
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Abled David Dodell 114/15
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Handicapped forum
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ADAM Discussion Bill Freads 11/700
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ADAM Technical Bill Freads 11/700
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ADS Tracy Graves 138/39
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THIS CONFERENCE IS DEAD.
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Adults
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Adults only conference.
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(John Penberthy 129/28)
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AFNA
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Australian FidoNet Association
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AI Richard Clark 107/222
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Artificial Intelligence conference.
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AIDS/ARC Bob Kovach 125/31
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Amateur Radio John Dashner 133/10
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Amiga Grey Mist 124/206
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Amiga Prog Richard Clark 107/222
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Amiga programmers technical information
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Animation Mike Bader 120/17
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Conference for animation info & discussion
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includeing Japanese animation.
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APL Chris Lincoln 107/103
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FidoNews 4-25 Page 4 6 Jul 1987
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Apple Bob Abbott 157/511
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Apple II Gary Vedrick 102/2801
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Asian-American Arnold Chu 107/16
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Asian-American Community happenings
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ASM Barry Dobyns 102/140
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Astronomy Don Epand 114/18
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alias StarNet
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AT&T Mark Pinkstone 150/613
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Poll/Pickup from Host (138/39, 0150-0225 PDT)
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Atari Gary Vedrick 102/2801
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Atari technical conference
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Audio Advisor Larry Digioia 129/17
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Automotive Marcel Schmelzer 129/42
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Beyond War Andy Kanter 101/301
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National peace issues forum.
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Bible Bob Hoffman 129/34
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Bible forum
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Bicycles Mike Talbot 151/103
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Bicycle use in sports, touring, racing & transportation.
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Bitch Jim Bacon 103/507
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Bloom Net Sysops Bob Stubbings 127/60
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Books, Great Jim Bacon 103/507
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Broadcast Glen Jackson 100/517
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Radio engineering, programming & marketing.
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Broadcasting Jobs Terry Travis 104/69
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Broadcasting jobs/situations.
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Business & Economics Randall Kobetich 150/130
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Business information conference
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Buy&Sell Jim Deibele 105/3
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Bylaws Bob Hartman 132/101
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Only for Bylaws committee members?
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Bylfedbk Tom Marshall 107/324
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FidoNews 4-25 Page 5 6 Jul 1987
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DISCONTINUED
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C Language Ed Rauh 141/215
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Career Discussions Lee Johnson 125/612
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Host will poll/pickup
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Christ Net Baddlard Shackleford 108/70
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Christian BBS only by coordinator approval.
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A non-argumentative forum for Bible study,
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prayer requests and fellowship.
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Cincy Jesse Armontrout 108/64
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Local sysop conference
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COCO Echo Brian Bream 112/3
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Tandy Color Computer
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Commodore Marv Shelton 107/311
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C64 & C128 technical conference
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Commodore (local) Gary Vedrick 102/2-801
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Conejo For Sale Gary Vedrick 102/2801
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Conejo Music Gary Vedrick 102/2801
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Conejo Tech Gary Vedrick 102/2801
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Consulting Tracey Graves 138/39
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Business of consulting.
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Cosmopolitan Hal Duprie 101/107
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Boston Metro Area: Books, Food & Good
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Things of Life
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dBASE Alex Hartley 100/500
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dBASE users forum
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Debate *NONE*
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Detroit, Chicago, Colorado.
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There may be to separate conferences!?
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DEC Rainbow Dave Rene 101/27
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Host is 101/27 who polls all the nodes.
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DesqView Bob Spivack 143/3
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DesqView users forum
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Doggies Tracy Graves 138/39
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Fido clones & compatibles confernce,
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i.e. SEAdog, Collie, Guardian, etc.
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FidoNews 4-25 Page 6 6 Jul 1987
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Dr Debug's Laboratory Larry Digioia 129/17
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Questions/answers on all computers & software
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(mostly IBM compatibles).
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Dungeons & Dragons Eric Daymo 102/2803
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Dungeons & Dragons role playing game.
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Echomail Coordinators Jon Sabol 124/210
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For echomail coordinators only
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Educators Tracy Graves 138/39
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Feminism Kim Storment 100/523
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FireNet Christopher Baker 135/14
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Fire/Rescue/EMS news and information exchange.
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Fish Net Leo Bores 114/14
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Conference for Aquarists & fish keeping hobbyists.
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Fortran Barry Dobyns 102/140
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Forum Tracey Graves 138/39
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Private personal communications/sharing.
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Freemess Barry Dobyns 102/140
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Los Angles Chatter
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Gaming Robert Plamondon 143/12
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Role playing games conference.
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Gammaw Peter Kranz 102/2802
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Gamma World role playing game.
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Genealogy Ken Whitaker 143/26
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The national genealogy conference (NGC).
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Grand_Rounds (Mednet) David Dodell 114/15
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Medical Related Discussions, primarily health
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care professionals.
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HACK, PC Kurt Reisler 109/483
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*NET_109* PC HACK Q&A and war stories conference.
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HAM Eric Daymo 102/2803
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Ham radio technical conference.
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Health David Page 109/604
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Health related issues (MDs participating)
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There is also a larger group that exchanges files only.
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Healthnet David Dodell 114/15
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FidoNews 4-25 Page 7 6 Jul 1987
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Heath/Zenith Joe Rock 128/15
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Heath/Zenith series 89, 90, 100-120
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(not for Zenith 150 & up series)
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Help Wanted Eunhee Hunter 109/626
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HOWSWA Bill Bertholf 107/102
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How's the weather in WA state!
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HP3000TALK Tracy Graves 17/43
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HP3000 conversations.
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Hunger Chris Irwin 108/68
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IFNA Policy & Politics Ken Kaplan 1/10
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International Fido Net Association.
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Restricted to SYSOPs only.
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INTERPER Randall Kobetich 150/900
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Opinion forum: moral, ethical, social issues.
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Jobs Tracy Graves 138/39
|
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Computer-related Employment Echo (Job Listings, etc.)
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JR-MSG Phil Kaiser 104/904
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PC jr conference
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Laptops Ej McKernan 15/20
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Laptop technical conference
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Law Mark Pinkstone 150/613
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Lawyers technical/substantive forum
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Literature Steven Barnes 138/49
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Conference about writers & writing.
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Lotus Randy Van de Loo 124/110
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Lotus users forum
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MacIntosh (local) Eric Daymo 102/2803
|
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MacIntosh technical conference
|
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MacIntosh Leo LaPorte 125/2
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MacIntosh technical conference.
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Magick Brad Hicks 100/523
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Merged with Alternative Religion conference.
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Meadow Chuck Lawson 124/102
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Opus Sysop's conference.
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Mensa Jim Kay 109/612
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National conference of Mensa run boards or where there is
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substantial membership interest.
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Menasn only Christopher Baker 135/14
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FidoNews 4-25 Page 8 6 Jul 1987
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Restriced to Mensa members.
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Metroforum Don Daniels 107/211
|
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*NET_107* help conference for users
|
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Metronet Don Daniels 107/211
|
|||
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*NET_107* Sysop Conference
|
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|
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|
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Miaminet David Gilbert 135/1
|
|||
|
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*LOCAL_MIAMI* information exchange forum
|
|||
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|
|||
|
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MIDI Bruce Oblander 161/594
|
|||
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|
|||
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Mindset PC James Pallack 16/635
|
|||
|
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Conference was dissolved but is back to life now!
|
|||
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|
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MOD1000 Neal Curtin 138/14
|
|||
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Tandy Model 1000 technical conference (Tandy T1K).
|
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|
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Modula-2 Randy Bush 105/6
|
|||
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Modula-2 programming language conference
|
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Net 102 For Sale Barry Dobyns 102/140
|
|||
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*NET_102*
|
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Net 108 Chatter 108/68
|
|||
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THIS CONFERENCE IS DEAD.
|
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Net 108 Forsale Steve Sullivan 108/75
|
|||
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*NET_108*
|
|||
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Net 108 Programmer Jesse Armontrout 108/64
|
|||
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*NET_108*
|
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Net 109 Astronomy Rick Ward 109/635
|
|||
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*NET_109*
|
|||
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|||
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Net 109 Classifieds Alexander Wall 109/606
|
|||
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*NET_109* advertising, items for sale.
|
|||
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|
|||
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Net 109 dBASE J Liebsch/A Griffin 109/605
|
|||
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|
*NET_109* dBASE users conference.
|
|||
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|
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Net 109 General chatter Alexander Wall 109/606
|
|||
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|
*NET_109* user chatter
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
Net 109 Help Jim Kay 109/617
|
|||
|
|
*NET_109* User questions & answers.
|
|||
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|
|||
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Net 109 Lotus Jim Kay 109/617
|
|||
|
|
*NET_109* Lotus users conference.
|
|||
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|
|||
|
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Net 109 Meeting J Liebsch/A Griffin 109/605
|
|||
|
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*NET_109* 12 Step Program - Experiences.
|
|||
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FidoNews 4-25 Page 9 6 Jul 1987
|
|||
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|
|||
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|
|||
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Net 109 Mensa Jim Kay 109/617
|
|||
|
|
Metro Washington DC Mensa conference.
|
|||
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|
|||
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Net 109 Opinion/Oratory Robert Rudolph 109/628
|
|||
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|
|||
|
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Net 109 Politics Glenn Ford 109/658
|
|||
|
|
*NET_109*
|
|||
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|
|
|||
|
|
Net 109 Recovery Rick Ward 109/635
|
|||
|
|
*NET_109* 12 Step Program - Chatter.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Net 109 Reviews Kurt Reisler 109/74
|
|||
|
|
Reviews of "anything".
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
Net 109 Seniors Brian Hughes 109/634
|
|||
|
|
Senior Citizens conference.
|
|||
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|
|||
|
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Net 109 Sysop Kim Wells 109/652
|
|||
|
|
*NET_109* Net 109 sysop conference.
|
|||
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|
|||
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Net 124 Sysop Jon Sabol 124/210
|
|||
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|
|||
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Net 133 Sysop John Dashner 133/10
|
|||
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|
|||
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|
|||
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Net 138 Sysop Steve Butler 138/3
|
|||
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|
|||
|
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Net 138 Team Steve Butler 138/3
|
|||
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|
|||
|
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Net 143 Sysop Todd Looney 143/27
|
|||
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|
|||
|
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Net 161 Sysop Butch Walker 161/2
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
Networking Dave Oshea 107/35
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
NY Mets Jean Coppola 107/301
|
|||
|
|
NY Mets baseball team conference.
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
Officers Ric Wentz 138/39
|
|||
|
|
Conference about & for law
|
|||
|
|
enforcment professionals.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Ohio Phil Ardussi 157/502
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
Park Richard Clark 107/222
|
|||
|
|
US National Park Service only
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
PIB Bob Klahn 150/1
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Pitt Fido Sysop Stu Turk 129/26
|
|||
|
|
Pittsburg area Fido sysop conference.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Policy Jim Bacon 103/507
|
|||
|
|
Conference for discusion of the
|
|||
|
|
FidoNews 4-25 Page 10 6 Jul 1987
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
create of the policy4 document.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Politics Bill Bertholf 107/102
|
|||
|
|
Politics and public policy forum
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Political (local) Stu Turk 129/26
|
|||
|
|
*LOCAL_PITTSBURGH* religion & current events debate forum
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Programming Butch Walker 161/2
|
|||
|
|
Programmer's conference.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Prolog Barry Dobyns 102/140
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
QNX Ken Mcvay 340/10
|
|||
|
|
Quantum Software's QNX Operating System
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Questions & comments Gregg Zegarelli 129/29
|
|||
|
|
Questions & comments concerning current issues.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
RBASE Leo Bores 114/14
|
|||
|
|
RBASE User's Forum
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Real Estate Al Arango 107/323
|
|||
|
|
Real Estate and finance
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Records Roger Smith 18/14
|
|||
|
|
Record collecting and music in general
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Region 15 David Dodell 114/15
|
|||
|
|
*REGION_15* general news/info
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Region 17 Sysop Rob Barker 138/34
|
|||
|
|
Region 17 Sysop conference
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Region 17 Tech Steve Butler 138/3
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Rights Steve Butler 138/3
|
|||
|
|
Shareware author rights, information exchange.
|
|||
|
|
THIS CONFERENCE IS DEAD
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Robert Arnz show Glen Jackson 100/517
|
|||
|
|
Robert Arnz call in radio talk show.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Science Fiction Authors David Dyer-Bennet 14/341
|
|||
|
|
Science Fiction and Fandom. Discussion of science fiction
|
|||
|
|
movies, television, book, comics, and all other media.
|
|||
|
|
Doctor Who, Star Trek, Hitchhiker's Guid to the Galaxy,
|
|||
|
|
Zelazny, Moorcock, Asimov, Danger Mouse, Battlestar
|
|||
|
|
Galactica, etc!
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Science Fiction/Fantasy Mike Jacobs 150/900
|
|||
|
|
Conference for fans of science fiction and fantasy.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Scuba Rod Lamping 104/610
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
FidoNews 4-25 Page 11 6 Jul 1987
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Shortwave Listening Larry DiGioia 129/17
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Sirius Bob Klahn 150/1
|
|||
|
|
Sirius users forum.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
SMART Neal Curtin 138/14
|
|||
|
|
SMART Software System package from Innovative Software
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
SOBnet Anne Capola 107/107
|
|||
|
|
Adult HotChat by Coordinator approval
|
|||
|
|
Non-argumentative uncensored adult topics
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
SOCAL Barry Dobyns 102/140
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Software Careers Lee Johnson 125/612
|
|||
|
|
Merged into Career Discussions.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Spark Beta
|
|||
|
|
Spark Software Beta testers
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Sports Ed Meloan 360/1
|
|||
|
|
All national sporting events.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Sysop Jon Sabol 124/210
|
|||
|
|
*NATIONAL* THE National Sysop conference.
|
|||
|
|
Fido bugs/fixes, news and sysop chatter.
|
|||
|
|
Restricted to Sysop's ONLY!
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
TBBS Dave Dodell 114/15
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Tech Butch Walker 161/2
|
|||
|
|
*NATIONAL* *TECHNET*
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Telecomm Hal Duprie 101/107
|
|||
|
|
Telecommunication conference.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Telix Rob Benner 148/1
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
UNIX Mike Johnson 170/329
|
|||
|
|
Merged into C_ECHO.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
USA Wide Rick Ward 109/635
|
|||
|
|
Small national general chit-chat conference.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
VAX Barry Dobyns 102/140
|
|||
|
|
DEC VAX technical conference.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Vietnam Vets Todd Looney 143/27
|
|||
|
|
Vietnam Vetern's conference.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Wildlife Richard Clark 107/222
|
|||
|
|
Discussion of nature, outdoors,
|
|||
|
|
hunting, fishing, conservation.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
****************************************************************
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
FidoNews 4-25 Page 12 6 Jul 1987
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
PROPOSED CONFERENCES
|
|||
|
|
--------------------
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Applications (James Deibele 105/3) 10/17/86
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Autocad (Jim Quiesner 104/18)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Aviation Net (Mark Stappenbeck 14/609)
|
|||
|
|
Airline & General Aviation
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Boating (Paul Esterle 157/697)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Desktop Publishing (Larry Kayser 102/2800)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Divers (Rod Lamping 104/610)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
EQUUS (Mark Indictor 104/606)
|
|||
|
|
Equestrian related topics.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Fido Developers (Jim Ryan 141/9)
|
|||
|
|
Share source code for FidoNet Compatible systems
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Fossil (Vince Perriello 141/491)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Health Net, Allied (Bill Hliwa 260/10)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
IEEE (Bill Wilkes 107/211)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Lifestyle Alternatives (Adam Selene 107/269)
|
|||
|
|
Polyfidelity, Family Synergy, Celibacy, Feminism, Communalism,
|
|||
|
|
Single Parenthood, Foster Parenting, ... For anyone whose lifes
|
|||
|
|
path is not "mainstream".
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Packet Amateur Radio (Jim Brooker 124/13)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Photography (Bill Thomas 132/225)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Portables (John Penberthy 129/28)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Region 19 (David Drexler 147/1)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Star Trek (Eric Daymo 102/2803)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Turbo Pascal (Bob Klahn 150/1)
|
|||
|
|
get ECPROG for this topic
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Users (Tom Baughman 119/13)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Womens Space (Gillian Boardman 107/269)
|
|||
|
|
By and For Women
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
WordLore (Hilda Stubbing 127/70)
|
|||
|
|
Discussion of word usage, nuances, grammer, etc.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
WordPerfect (Mark Pinkstone 150/613)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
FidoNews 4-25 Page 13 6 Jul 1987
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Writing (Christopher Baker 135/14)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
*****************************************************************
|
|||
|
|
** Echomail Conference List, Issue 1, Number 2 (6/4/87) **
|
|||
|
|
** Copyright 1986,87 by Thomas E. Kenny. All rights reserved **
|
|||
|
|
*****************************************************************
|
|||
|
|
-- ATTENTION ECHOMAIL COORDINATORS AND CONTACTS --
|
|||
|
|
-- PLEASE send updates to IFNA node 107/316 --
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
FidoNews 4-25 Page 14 6 Jul 1987
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
FREEWARE: The End of Amateur Programming?
|
|||
|
|
-----------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
"Why aren't there very many new programs being uploaded any
|
|||
|
|
more?", she asked after looking over the file areas on the board.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
"Now that's a good question.", I replied. "I really don't know.
|
|||
|
|
It looks as if nobody is writing any of their own programs
|
|||
|
|
anymore. I wonder why....."
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
That is a part of the conversation that prompted this article. I
|
|||
|
|
don't know if the rest of you are noticing a similar lack of
|
|||
|
|
original software being uploaded by your users but it is
|
|||
|
|
certainly very evident here at The Power Station. Now, that is
|
|||
|
|
not to say that there are no uploads, just that there is no
|
|||
|
|
uploading of local, original software.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
It doesn't seem that long ago (not more than 2 or 3 years) when
|
|||
|
|
almost EVERYBODY who owned a computer was writing software for
|
|||
|
|
it. Most of the programs were written in BASIC and were kludgy
|
|||
|
|
and slow as molasses in the spring, but all that aside, the
|
|||
|
|
programmer was PROUD to have contributed something and couldn't
|
|||
|
|
wait to share their offering with others. All of that seems to
|
|||
|
|
have changed, now. The reason.... FREEWARE / SHAREWARE / User
|
|||
|
|
Supported Software!
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
There is an abundance of good (in fact EXCELLENT) software
|
|||
|
|
available to do almost anything a person needs or wants. This
|
|||
|
|
software is of sufficient quality to rival a large portion of the
|
|||
|
|
commercial software available at a fraction of the cost (for
|
|||
|
|
those who choose to pay for it - but that's a different story).
|
|||
|
|
Why would anybody want to slave away for hours (or days) piecing
|
|||
|
|
together a program to do something when there is a FREEWARE
|
|||
|
|
package readily available that does the same thing faster and
|
|||
|
|
easier?
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
The tremendous amount of software available is largely
|
|||
|
|
responsible for more and more computer systems being purchased by
|
|||
|
|
people with no desire to learn to program. These people view the
|
|||
|
|
systems as tools to be used to make a job easier or faster just
|
|||
|
|
like any other tool.
|
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We are becoming "users" as opposed to the computer "hobbiests"
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and "enthusiasts" that used to be the norm! This is becoming
|
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|
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increasingly evident by the number of program requests and "wish
|
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|
|
lists" being passed around.
|
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|
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|
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Those of us who do still take the time to "patch together" the
|
|||
|
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occasional utility in BASIC, are ashamed to show it to anybody
|
|||
|
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else because we cannot compete with the software readily
|
|||
|
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available and are afraid of being ridiculed for our "obvious"
|
|||
|
|
lack of programming skills.
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Don't get me wrong, I am very pleased with the vast selection of
|
|||
|
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quality software available and would probably not be a part of
|
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|
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FidoNet without it, but I can't help feeling a little sorry for
|
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FidoNews 4-25 Page 15 6 Jul 1987
|
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|
|
all the "average" programmers out there that will never get the
|
|||
|
|
chance to experience the joy associated with sharing their
|
|||
|
|
efforts and, in some small way, being recognized for it.
|
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|
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|
|
FREEWARE: The End of Amateur Programming? Think about it the
|
|||
|
|
next time somebody uploads something that is less than perfect!
|
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|
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|
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|
|
Bob Swift
|
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|
|
The Power Station (140/24)
|
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Estevan, Saskatchewan, Canada
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FidoNews 4-25 Page 16 6 Jul 1987
|
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|
James Zachary 115/537
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"Once Upon the Future"
|
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(c) 1986
|
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|
James Zachary
|
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|
The location is an unnamed park, in an unnamed Midwestern city,
|
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sometime in the future. A young boy approaches an old man
|
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sitting on a park bench.
|
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"Mister..."
|
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|
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|
The young boy is insistent.
|
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|
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"MISTER!"
|
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|
The old man looks around nervously then puts a finger to his
|
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|
lips to silence the child. He then takes his thermos of coffee
|
|||
|
|
and pours it over the bracelet on his left wrist. After a few
|
|||
|
|
moments of wincing from the pain, he speaks.
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
"The only way to knock off the protein bio-chip in these dang
|
|||
|
|
monitor bracelets is heat, a LOT of heat. The government still
|
|||
|
|
hasn't figured how to fix that glitch. Dang things let them
|
|||
|
|
know where you are and everything you say. You'll be required
|
|||
|
|
to wear one as soon as you turn 13. NOW, we have only about 15
|
|||
|
|
minutes to talk before "The Monitors" pull up to find out why
|
|||
|
|
my bracelet went dead. I'll just say I spilled the coffee by
|
|||
|
|
accident. When you see a strange vehicle or person
|
|||
|
|
approaching, just stop talking and walk away. Talking in
|
|||
|
|
public is not allowed ya know, especially to an old person..."
|
|||
|
|
he winks, "we remember too much of the past that they want
|
|||
|
|
forgotten."
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
"Mister, why don't they let people say what they think? Did
|
|||
|
|
people talk much in the old days?"
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Leaning back on the park bench with his face glowing from
|
|||
|
|
pleasant memories, the old man answers.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
"Surely they did, child! Back even before my time, long ago
|
|||
|
|
when the country was still young, towns used to have meetings
|
|||
|
|
in the square for folks to talk. They had debates and
|
|||
|
|
arguments. No topic was taboo. Then telephones came along and
|
|||
|
|
you could talk to anyone, anywhere in the world that also had a
|
|||
|
|
phone. Nowadays, you have to have a license for a phone and
|
|||
|
|
anything you say is digitally recorded and checked for
|
|||
|
|
"subversive" talk by those super-smart computers. Television,
|
|||
|
|
radio and newspapers were not owned by the government back
|
|||
|
|
then. You could read, see and hear many facts that would help
|
|||
|
|
you make up your own mind as to what was going on. We also had
|
|||
|
|
CB and HAM radio, and something we called the BBS..."
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
His voice trails off as he again looks around nervously.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
FidoNews 4-25 Page 17 6 Jul 1987
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
"What was a BBS, Mister?"
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
A deep sorrowful sigh comes before his words.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
"Back in the 1980's the BBS was kind of a throw-back to the old
|
|||
|
|
town meetings. Literally hundreds of people could call a
|
|||
|
|
Bulletin Board computer with their personal computer and leave
|
|||
|
|
messages, tell jokes, chat, argue politics, make friends..."
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Tears fill the old man's eyes.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
"Then the government must have figured that so many people
|
|||
|
|
talking wasn't healthy, too many diverse opinions and ideas.
|
|||
|
|
So, they started regulating and licensing all forms of speech,
|
|||
|
|
all ways of thinking. Was gradual at first but they finally
|
|||
|
|
closed them all down. I was both a D-dialer and a BBSer! We
|
|||
|
|
all had real names back then instead of government numbers, but
|
|||
|
|
we also had handles, kind of like nicknames. Lord, I remember
|
|||
|
|
meeting some special, wonderful folks like Lady Galadriel, Lord
|
|||
|
|
Ming, Bruiser, Zap, Ingvar, Oods, K-9, Badger, Hex40, Hose,
|
|||
|
|
Hoagy, Mac The Navigator, Lawyer John, Grumpy, Haus Frau, Poet,
|
|||
|
|
By Tor and Reiny, Opti and Falcon, The Masked Twinkie, Deep
|
|||
|
|
Thought, Air Wolf, Double M, Boysie Oakes, Rocker, Multi, P.C.
|
|||
|
|
Kid, Ziggy, Prak and hundreds of others just like 'em! "
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
"What ever happened to them all, Mister?"
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
"Oh, the government had trouble putting them down, they were
|
|||
|
|
fighters! They were finally captured at the battle of
|
|||
|
|
Staehle's vineyards. Some say MadZax escaped from the
|
|||
|
|
institution," he smiles slyly, "but no one really knows for
|
|||
|
|
sure."
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
"Who were you, Mister? What was your handle?"
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
The old man makes a slight hand gesture to the child,
|
|||
|
|
indicating that someone is approaching. As the child begins to
|
|||
|
|
walk away the old man whispers a parting thought.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
"Don't matter who I was then, son. I'm nobody now..."
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
FidoNews 4-25 Page 18 6 Jul 1987
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Steve Bonine
|
|||
|
|
Cope BBS, 115/777
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Proposal for New Echomail Area
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I attended a seminar a few weeks ago which was hosted by one of
|
|||
|
|
the mainframe software vendors. They [the vendor] have a product
|
|||
|
|
which is a BBS for mainframe systems programmers. For only $2600
|
|||
|
|
a year, you can call it and swap problems and solutions with your
|
|||
|
|
peers. The speaker at the seminar was extolling the wonders and
|
|||
|
|
advantages of bulletin board systems. We've been familiar with
|
|||
|
|
those for some time, haven't we?
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I'm not prepared to charge anyone, so I guess that means that any
|
|||
|
|
service which we might provide via echomail couldn't possibly be
|
|||
|
|
as valuable as what this vendor was offering. However, it did
|
|||
|
|
point out to me that there exists a potential market for a new
|
|||
|
|
echomail area. As far as I know there is nothing currently in
|
|||
|
|
place which addresses issues important to those of us who earn
|
|||
|
|
our living ministering to large mainframe-based systems.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
If you are in this category, please indicate your interest by
|
|||
|
|
sending me a netmail message on 115/777. If there is enough
|
|||
|
|
interest, I'll start something. This conference might even give
|
|||
|
|
you a legitimate excuse to call your BBS from work, or even to
|
|||
|
|
run a BBS sponsored by your company.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Maybe the subject is too broad. After all, I'm not even sure
|
|||
|
|
what the definition should be for "mainframe". Maybe we'll end
|
|||
|
|
up with several conferences. Maybe I only THINK that many of you
|
|||
|
|
who participate in FidoNet are involved with mainframes.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I'll handle the initial distribution, and if we grow then we'll
|
|||
|
|
worry about how this topology should be built. It would be
|
|||
|
|
helpful in the "I am interested" message if I knew whether you
|
|||
|
|
can accept crash mail, and what hours might be best.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Any other comments are more than welcome. If something like this
|
|||
|
|
already exists, my project is redundant. If interest is
|
|||
|
|
indicated, I would like to get started around the middle of July.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
FidoNews 4-25 Page 19 6 Jul 1987
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Alan D. Applegate
|
|||
|
|
The Entertainment Line Fido 104/36, Lakewood (Denver), CO
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Further Observations About PK vs. ARC
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
It seems that the discussion about PKARC/PKXARC versus ARC will
|
|||
|
|
never cease. Both of these programs make our lives easier and
|
|||
|
|
save space on our disk drives.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Much has been said about the incompatibility of PKARC's archives
|
|||
|
|
with ARC. Not often, if ever, is PKARC's "/oct" switch mentioned
|
|||
|
|
in comparative testing.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
The "/oct" switch simply forces PKARC to make archives that use
|
|||
|
|
file compression and time stamping techniques that ARC and other
|
|||
|
|
compatible programs will understand. When this switch is used in
|
|||
|
|
making the archive, either PKXARC or ARC can be used for file
|
|||
|
|
extraction.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
My underlying question, then, was whether PKARC still would make
|
|||
|
|
smaller files than ARC, despite the absence of the newer
|
|||
|
|
compression method that PKARC usually employs. The answer is
|
|||
|
|
yes.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
In my testing, I used four files with a total of 76,799 bytes,
|
|||
|
|
with one .DOC file, one .SYS file, one .EXE file and one .COM
|
|||
|
|
file. ARC made an archive of 46,523 bytes. PKARC made an
|
|||
|
|
archive of 45,930 bytes, a savings of 593 bytes. Time was not a
|
|||
|
|
tested element here; let it suffice to say that PKARC was
|
|||
|
|
substantially quicker.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
The results were not amazing, but in theory (actual results may
|
|||
|
|
and probably will vary) 2 megabytes of ARC's archives, if re-
|
|||
|
|
archived with PKARC using the "/oct" switch, would take up around
|
|||
|
|
25,500 bytes less. Without the "/oct" switch, I would venture to
|
|||
|
|
guess that they would take up even less space.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
As a control, I used ARC to de-arc the archive made by PKARC, and
|
|||
|
|
used PKXARC to de-arc ARC's archive. Both were successful.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
To summarize, although PKARC performs better WITHOUT the "/oct"
|
|||
|
|
switch, it still appears to out-perform ARC in both speed and and
|
|||
|
|
archive file size categories. When PKARC is used with the "/oct"
|
|||
|
|
switch, substantial time savings are realized during the
|
|||
|
|
archiving process, without sacrificing compatibility with ARC.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Direct inquiries to: Alan Applegate, Sysop
|
|||
|
|
The Entertainment Line Fido, 104/36
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
FidoNews 4-25 Page 20 6 Jul 1987
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Mail Relays
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
In regards to the article on overly large nodelists, I wonder if
|
|||
|
|
the following routing scheme might work?
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
EXAMPLE:
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Mail originates from my node 137/71 bound for a node in
|
|||
|
|
California. Instead of direct routing, this mail would be sent
|
|||
|
|
to his Relay Node.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
137/71 160/33 160/20
|
|||
|
|
(A) Origin ------->Relay ------->Destination
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
The thought behind this is that the originating station calls the
|
|||
|
|
Relay station, this Relay station would be in the same city as
|
|||
|
|
the destination station, where a long distance call is not
|
|||
|
|
required to reach the destination Node.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
If you have 30 nodes in one city, then one of them will be the
|
|||
|
|
Relay Node for the other 29. That eliminates 29 Nodes from the
|
|||
|
|
Nodelist and this is just one city! It would eliminate a lot of
|
|||
|
|
Nodes from the Nodelist and get it back down to a reasonable
|
|||
|
|
size, which would be much easier to work with.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
What about Crash Priority Mail, or mail with attached files?
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
No problem, the Relay Nodes would have a batch file written to
|
|||
|
|
immediately forward Crash mail to destination upon receipt of
|
|||
|
|
same. Attached files; same as regular mail.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
How will we know which Node serves which other Nodes?
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Publish one Master Nodelist, showing the Relay Nodes and the
|
|||
|
|
Nodes they serve. This would be an ascii text file and could
|
|||
|
|
then be updated when Relay Nodes add or drop Nodes they serve.
|
|||
|
|
Only the updates would be published as each Node already has the
|
|||
|
|
Master Nodelist.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Nodes being served might have to help out the Relay station in
|
|||
|
|
terms of some kind of monetary help, as he might need a large
|
|||
|
|
hard disk for temporary message storage if he is handling a large
|
|||
|
|
volume of mail each night. I'm sure this could be worked out
|
|||
|
|
between the Relay and Destination Nodes without too much problem.
|
|||
|
|
They would have to have a volunteer Relay station, but there
|
|||
|
|
should be no problem here either, since some are already serving
|
|||
|
|
as inbound gates, etc.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
In large metro areas, two or more Relay stations might be needed.
|
|||
|
|
In small rural areas the Relay station might be the destination
|
|||
|
|
station.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
EXAMPLE: NET 137
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
FidoNews 4-25 Page 21 6 Jul 1987
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
137/71 is the only node in Naples, so I would be my own relay
|
|||
|
|
station.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
(1) Nodes other than Relay Nodes would have a Nodelist
|
|||
|
|
consisting of only Relay Nodes for the entire Network. All
|
|||
|
|
traffic would be routed to these Relay Nodes for forwarding
|
|||
|
|
to destination Nodes.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
(2) Relay Nodes would have a Nodelist consisting of all Relay
|
|||
|
|
Nodes in the Network and the Nodes they serve.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Regional Coordinator duties and policies might have to be
|
|||
|
|
redifined to some extent to include the Relay stations, etc.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Also, I wonder if all Regions/Networks/Nodes could switch to GMT
|
|||
|
|
time? This would eliminate the problem of different time zones.
|
|||
|
|
Sysops could inform their users that they were now using GMT time
|
|||
|
|
for mailing purposes. I don't know of any user who calls a BBS
|
|||
|
|
for a time-of-day check, so this shouldn't be a big problem. We
|
|||
|
|
wouldn't have to worry about daylight savings time, EST, CST, MST
|
|||
|
|
or any of the time zones, as all would be indicating the same
|
|||
|
|
time, year round.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
You asked for input, so here is mine. Keep up the good work.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Sincerely,
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Bud Rogers, Sysop
|
|||
|
|
CRT Classifieds
|
|||
|
|
Naples, FL
|
|||
|
|
137/71, 813-775-9444
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
FidoNews 4-25 Page 22 6 Jul 1987
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-- Borland International
|
|||
|
|
Product: Turbo C (R) (Version: 1.00 )
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Program: Turbo C (R) -- A C compiler
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Author : Borland Intl. (Address Below)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Purpose: Turbo C is a C language compiler. It has a
|
|||
|
|
compiler, linker, integrated package, make, and
|
|||
|
|
libraries.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Requirements: MS/PC-DOS Version 2.00 or higher, 1 - Floppy Drive
|
|||
|
|
or Hard Disk (Recommended) Amount of Memory to
|
|||
|
|
operate: 384 K (Minimum) Computers that product
|
|||
|
|
runs on: The MS/PC-DOS Family of Computers
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Program
|
|||
|
|
Functions: Turbo C features a full integrated development
|
|||
|
|
environment, as well as a command line
|
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compiler/linker/make development envronment. Some
|
|||
|
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Features include:
|
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|
|||
|
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-- Full ANSI C standards
|
|||
|
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-- Integrated Development (With editor)
|
|||
|
|
-- Command Line Compiler, Linker
|
|||
|
|
-- Fast Compiler using Memory instead of Disk
|
|||
|
|
-- Full Featured Libraries (See Below)
|
|||
|
|
-- Make Utility
|
|||
|
|
-- Lint Utility
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Program
|
|||
|
|
Upgrades: First Version Introduced.
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
Obtaining
|
|||
|
|
Program: Turbo C can be purchased from Borland Intl, or
|
|||
|
|
most computer software stores, (mail order as
|
|||
|
|
well).
|
|||
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|
|||
|
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Product
|
|||
|
|
Availability: Turbo C is a Commercial Program.
|
|||
|
|
You must purchase a copy of it.
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
Turbo C V. 1.0 Cost: $ 99.95
|
|||
|
|
Borland International (Retail)
|
|||
|
|
4585 Scotts Valley Drive
|
|||
|
|
Scotts Valley, CA 95066-9987
|
|||
|
|
1-800-255-8008 -- 1-800-742-1133 (in CA)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Product
|
|||
|
|
Support: Borland offers various support for Turbo C. They
|
|||
|
|
are available on Compuserve (type: GO BOR), or by
|
|||
|
|
US Mail [Attn: Tech Service Dept] at above
|
|||
|
|
address.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Program
|
|||
|
|
Quality -- "The reviewer's opinion of the product"
|
|||
|
|
FidoNews 4-25 Page 23 6 Jul 1987
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
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|
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|
|
After using Microsoft C (4.00) for only the period of
|
|||
|
|
December - May 1987, and only having that much experience
|
|||
|
|
with C itself, I can't say I'm very qualified to speak of a
|
|||
|
|
C compiler. Currently, however, I (we) have switched over
|
|||
|
|
to Turbo C from MSC because of the advantages of the
|
|||
|
|
Integrated Package.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
The 2 books that come with Turbo C (A "User's Guide", and a
|
|||
|
|
"Reference Guide" -- In Softbound book form), are easier for
|
|||
|
|
a novice to digest than the MSC. The User's Guide devotes a
|
|||
|
|
full chapter to the Turbo Pascal User who is just getting
|
|||
|
|
into C (a nice chapter to include!) with examples side by
|
|||
|
|
side of Turbo Pascal, and Turbo C. The Reference book goes
|
|||
|
|
through the Libraries, and the ANSI language extentions that
|
|||
|
|
Turbo C provides, complete with examples on selected
|
|||
|
|
material.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I found the libraries to have more useable functions than
|
|||
|
|
the MSC. Such as:
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
BIOSCOM (comm ports),
|
|||
|
|
BIOSEQUIP (equipment),
|
|||
|
|
BIOSDISK (Disk I/O),
|
|||
|
|
BIOSMEMORY (Memory Size),
|
|||
|
|
FILELENGTH (filesize in bytes),
|
|||
|
|
FINDFIRST (First filename in dir),
|
|||
|
|
FINDNEXT (next in dir)
|
|||
|
|
[both return a structure of the DIR
|
|||
|
|
information, EG: Attrib, time, date,
|
|||
|
|
size, name],
|
|||
|
|
FNMERGE (Filename Merge -- name with path),
|
|||
|
|
FNSPLIT (Filename split -- name and path),
|
|||
|
|
POKE (send value to mem),
|
|||
|
|
LOCALTIME (converts date/time to struct),
|
|||
|
|
and others.....
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Needed
|
|||
|
|
Improvements: A CodeView type Debugger, or make the code
|
|||
|
|
CodeView compatible. Help screens could be better
|
|||
|
|
written/designed, and be referenced more (EG: See
|
|||
|
|
xxx for more details). There are others, but lets
|
|||
|
|
not detract on a good review for some minor
|
|||
|
|
adjustments.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Overall: A worthy opponent to MSC 4.00. Should be interesting
|
|||
|
|
to see how well the "establishment" views it.
|
|||
|
|
Excellent purchase for the "novice" C programmer, and
|
|||
|
|
for the experienced C programmer.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
PS: Some of those who might have assumed that this was
|
|||
|
|
vaporware, were wrong. There's no way that they
|
|||
|
|
could have put this product out that quickly, because
|
|||
|
|
of it's quality.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
FidoNews 4-25 Page 24 6 Jul 1987
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Reviewer: David Gilbert (Sysop)
|
|||
|
|
RAM-SOFT BBS (135/1) (305) 226-3310 (2400 b)
|
|||
|
|
RAM-SOFT Archive Library (now over 1,300+)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
FidoNews 4-25 Page 25 6 Jul 1987
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Steve Townsley
|
|||
|
|
Opus / SEAdog 2:510/17
|
|||
|
|
CCITT V21,V23,V22,V22bis
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Does IFNA Matter Outside The USA ?
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
One of the interesting observations made about the USA from this
|
|||
|
|
side of the Atlantic is your use of grand titles. I refer
|
|||
|
|
particularly to things like 'The First National Bank of
|
|||
|
|
Smallville'. In the online world 'The Source' sounds like some
|
|||
|
|
great prophet from the Ten Commandments rather than a computer
|
|||
|
|
information bank.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Equally we English can also get confused with the 'World Series'
|
|||
|
|
and in FidoNet 'The International FidoNet Association',
|
|||
|
|
incorporated in Missouri !!??
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
In fact, after last years' conference at Colerado Springs IFNA
|
|||
|
|
looked a lot like the World Series. (A strange game with a grand
|
|||
|
|
title that only Americans played.)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
People began writing in FidoNews that WE had created a new
|
|||
|
|
international organisation. Others talked of a kind of new Mafia
|
|||
|
|
wanting to 'control' the net. The surprising thing was in the
|
|||
|
|
echomail conferences that got to this side of the Atlantic this
|
|||
|
|
bitching was even worse because it was seen out of context,
|
|||
|
|
without any common reference points.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Then the by-laws arrived. Well, my users thought it was a good
|
|||
|
|
laugh. I took a copy of the by-laws and put them up on my system,
|
|||
|
|
that provoked some interest. As a foreign language exercise it
|
|||
|
|
was quite interesting to try to discover what the by-laws were
|
|||
|
|
actual saying about an INTERNATIONAL association.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
That hurdle was followed by further waves of apathy, if you can
|
|||
|
|
have apathic enthusiasm, for the interim elections to the board
|
|||
|
|
of directors.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Of course the major problems faced by British sysops were; how do
|
|||
|
|
I get reliable communications with the USA, what happens when
|
|||
|
|
Fido cannot handle the nodelist, how can we participate in
|
|||
|
|
helping to develop Fido Compatible software, what is the Usenet
|
|||
|
|
gateway and are there other gateways?
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Then later on we wanted to know: what is Opus, how can we get
|
|||
|
|
news about it, participate and help those in the USA working on
|
|||
|
|
software for it, what do Help nodes actually do(!), how can I
|
|||
|
|
join IFNA as a foreign sysop ?
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I could add a further 1001 pratical questions that we, as Net 510
|
|||
|
|
Hosts, have dealt with over the year since the Colorado
|
|||
|
|
Conference including the almost daily use of Norton Utilities to
|
|||
|
|
get Fido to PULSE DIAL instead of TONE when a new sysop gets a
|
|||
|
|
distribution copy of Fido, (which of course he has wrongly
|
|||
|
|
guessed does not work!).
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
FidoNews 4-25 Page 26 6 Jul 1987
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Yet, we have grown. One year ago only one Net (503) in the UK now
|
|||
|
|
there are four nets, new sysops, new ideas. Some of the old
|
|||
|
|
favourites like Frank Thornley of Compulink have gone on to
|
|||
|
|
very different things far outside FidoNet.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
At present IFNA matters little to the UK sysop. The day to day
|
|||
|
|
struggle of getting batch files to terminate for odd combinations
|
|||
|
|
of mailer programs is the main pre-occupation. If we want to just
|
|||
|
|
be in the nodelist , then "prune" and "nodesiev" are the weekly
|
|||
|
|
routine of running a Email-ing BBS so that it can indeed Email
|
|||
|
|
someone!
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
My most common requests as Host are for cut down customised
|
|||
|
|
nodelists, ie a nodelist that includes Europe and Australia (its
|
|||
|
|
a shame that Texas won't fit on, with the 1200 limit!).
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
However there is hope. The new sysops in the UK, like ourselves,
|
|||
|
|
joined FidoNet in order to talk to the world. Little things like
|
|||
|
|
an incomprehensible constitution, poor communication of
|
|||
|
|
International aims in IFNA, illegal non-standard modems (sorry
|
|||
|
|
Ma-Bell), and the whole of the world outside North America
|
|||
|
|
dropping off the nodelist won't stop us.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
IFNA does stand a chance. If you have a good conference, report
|
|||
|
|
accurately what you discuss, explain your decisions and argue in
|
|||
|
|
'friendly' way we may even take what you do seriously.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
There is a massive expansion of FidoNet in Europe and most of it
|
|||
|
|
is new blood.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
If you involve us, however remotely, in the decisions which
|
|||
|
|
affect the software we have on our systems you may get an
|
|||
|
|
international association.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
To those of you, both for and against the IFNA, the case for
|
|||
|
|
membership, even for existance at all has not yet even been put
|
|||
|
|
to Europeans in a way we can respond to. A lively conference
|
|||
|
|
where you concentrate on all Fido's, not just North America, will
|
|||
|
|
help people over here see relevance in what you do.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I personally think IFNA could be a big worldwide organisation of
|
|||
|
|
amateur computer communications enthusiasts associated via
|
|||
|
|
FidoNet. I want to join. By running a successful conference
|
|||
|
|
please encourage us to want to get others over here to join too.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
FidoNews 4-25 Page 27 6 Jul 1987
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I was thinking of fun things to do and decided to officially
|
|||
|
|
create an un official organization for the elimination of UN_FUN.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Now this isn't an easy task, first I had to define what the major
|
|||
|
|
objectives would be.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
First to mind was just eliminate all those things in our lives
|
|||
|
|
and hobbies that aren't fun. After giving that some thought I
|
|||
|
|
realized that most of us don't know how to have fun so if we
|
|||
|
|
eliminated the UN_FUN aspects we would have nothing left.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
So the next idea (and the one I like the most (I don't work too
|
|||
|
|
hard on any problem)) was to replace the doldrums with something
|
|||
|
|
fun to do. What that means is if your getting tired of doing
|
|||
|
|
something, don't just stop doing it but find some way to improve
|
|||
|
|
it.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
The second major objective would be to eliminate the UN_FUN being
|
|||
|
|
forced upon us by UN_FUN people, when someone gets on our case
|
|||
|
|
just tell them they are vying for the UN_FUN person of the week
|
|||
|
|
award. We will have a vote, not tally the results and tell
|
|||
|
|
everyone nominated that they won. Hopefully they can be brought
|
|||
|
|
into the societies fold.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Maybe we will have contests and guest speakers on how to have fun
|
|||
|
|
once again and award the winners and speakers with a resounding
|
|||
|
|
round of laughter.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Now I know many of you are going to want to join this elite
|
|||
|
|
organization so I will tell you what you need to do to become a
|
|||
|
|
FUN person.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
First of all have a good laugh, second take the sacred OATH.
|
|||
|
|
Repeat after me "I am a FUN person and I vow to eliminate UN_FUN
|
|||
|
|
where ever I may encounter it." There, now you are a member.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Lastly comes the matter of money, we all know how important this
|
|||
|
|
organization is, so what I think would be fair is that you
|
|||
|
|
allocate $25.00 and take someone out for a FUN time, maybe the
|
|||
|
|
kids to a miniature golf course, or the wife out to dinner.
|
|||
|
|
Remember though that you have to have FUN or it doesn't count.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Lastly (this time for real), you can tell people that you belong
|
|||
|
|
to a non secret organization dedicated to the overthrow of UN_FUN
|
|||
|
|
in your signature.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Bill
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
President and Chairman of the Board of FUN, an elite organization
|
|||
|
|
for the elimination of UN_FUN.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
FidoNews 4-25 Page 28 6 Jul 1987
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Jean Coppola 107/201
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
US Naval Observatory Time Now Available
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
UPDATE.EXE is a utility to load the exact time generated by the
|
|||
|
|
U.S Naval Observatory time clock directly into your PC's DOS
|
|||
|
|
CLOCK. The program accesses your modem and calls Washington,
|
|||
|
|
D.C. When the USNO answers it spits out repetitively the date
|
|||
|
|
and time. This version does not extract the date. A future
|
|||
|
|
version will.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
If you really want time accuracy then this is the program for
|
|||
|
|
you. It has been designed to work as an eXternal event from both
|
|||
|
|
opus and seadog systems.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I heard about this service USNO had, so I thought I would try to
|
|||
|
|
use it to my advantage and this program is the result.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
NOTE: If you have a clock calendar card, that will have to be
|
|||
|
|
reset by whatever software came with it. Only the DOS clock
|
|||
|
|
gets updated.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Credit has to be given to Bill Boyer for steering me in the
|
|||
|
|
proper direction.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
This and many other fine utilties are available on 107/201.
|
|||
|
|
Request UPDATE.ARC from 107/201 for this program.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
FidoNews 4-25 Page 29 6 Jul 1987
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
NEW FIDO(tm) OPUS(tm) SEADOG(tm) UTILITY
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
COMPLETE Message Editor for FIDO(TM) OPUS(tm) and SEADOG(tm)
|
|||
|
|
systems...released by the S1S Partnership Project:
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Rits Board (314)-426-7144 OPUS/SEAdog 100/510
|
|||
|
|
Broadcast Software (314)-427-4064 Fido 100/517
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Complete pre-registration release of MSGDB will be available for
|
|||
|
|
downloading from these two boards on May 25th, 1987.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
What IS MSGDB ???
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
MSGDB allows you to change the attributes on each message in each
|
|||
|
|
area you have set up. The following can be changed with MSGDB:
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
private/public
|
|||
|
|
crash
|
|||
|
|
recv'd
|
|||
|
|
sent
|
|||
|
|
file attached
|
|||
|
|
forward
|
|||
|
|
orphan
|
|||
|
|
kill/sent
|
|||
|
|
local
|
|||
|
|
hold
|
|||
|
|
res/sent
|
|||
|
|
file request
|
|||
|
|
recpt request
|
|||
|
|
return recpt
|
|||
|
|
request audit
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
You can also change FROM, TO, SUBJECT, COST, and # READ.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
PLUS (there's more!)... how many times have you wanted to easily
|
|||
|
|
move a message from one area to another without complicated batch
|
|||
|
|
procedures, renaming and/or renumbering? MSGDB allows you to move
|
|||
|
|
a message to another area, and gives you the option to leave the
|
|||
|
|
original message in the original area, or delete it and keep it
|
|||
|
|
only in the new area.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
How are we distributing it? Well, for those of you that keep up
|
|||
|
|
with the Sysop echo, we kind of like Bob Hartmans' idea of
|
|||
|
|
FLIRTWARE. We'll have a working copy available on May 25th for
|
|||
|
|
downloading on both of the boards listed. The Rits Board also
|
|||
|
|
uses SEAdog, so you can file request it from area 8. The copy you
|
|||
|
|
will get will do most of the basic editing functions, and will
|
|||
|
|
come with some limited docs.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
We're going to ask for a registration of $20.00, and this is to
|
|||
|
|
cover cost of updates and new releases, plus the time we're
|
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|
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taking to offer such a FANTASTIC Utility. (you know how it goes).
|
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|
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Registered owners will be sent a FULL BLOWN working copy that
|
|||
|
|
will do everything but blow your nose, along with FULL
|
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|
|
documentation.
|
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|
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FidoNews 4-25 Page 30 6 Jul 1987
|
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|
|||
|
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|
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|
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There are more utilities in the works, and registered users will
|
|||
|
|
be automatically sent out copies of new Utilities from the S1S
|
|||
|
|
Partnership Project.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
By the way, if you haven't yet sent Bob Hartman $35.00 for the
|
|||
|
|
full set of the FASTSCAN series, it's well worth it. Saves MUCH
|
|||
|
|
time on scanning and tossing.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
One more thing. MSGDB obviously is a SysOp only utility. We
|
|||
|
|
thought long and hard on whether or not to include the ability to
|
|||
|
|
change a private message to a public message. It is our
|
|||
|
|
conclusion that it should be there, for one important reason.
|
|||
|
|
Many times newer users will ask technical/help questions
|
|||
|
|
privately to another user or to the SysOp. These questions, and
|
|||
|
|
later answers, would in most cases be beneficial to ALL users. If
|
|||
|
|
you have any thoughts on this, communicate to us through the
|
|||
|
|
SysOp echo.
|
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|
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|
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Mark Peters 100/510
|
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|
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Glen Jackson 100/517
|
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-----------------------------------------------------------------
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FidoNews 4-25 Page 31 6 Jul 1987
|
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=================================================================
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COLUMNS
|
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=================================================================
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Eric Ewanco, private SEAdog 130/3
|
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|
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|
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Borland's Turbo C:
|
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|
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Review, part 1
|
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For a long, long, time, Borland has promised us Turbo C. Ever
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|
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since I contracted a passion for learning C, I have been dying to
|
|||
|
|
get it. I have finally realized that dream. And I must say, in
|
|||
|
|
all truthfulness, Turbo C is *THE* compiler of the century. Turbo
|
|||
|
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C is what we've all been waiting for.
|
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|
|||
|
|
Many people, include myself to some extent, were disappointed
|
|||
|
|
with Turbo BASIC. Somewhat bug-ridden, non-standard, and to a
|
|||
|
|
degree weak (keep in mind I'm speaking from a "C and Pascal
|
|||
|
|
snob"'s point of view), it reflected the usual disadvantages of
|
|||
|
|
all BASICs. Don't let Turbo BASIC give you a bad impression of
|
|||
|
|
Turbo C. Turbo C is all that you would expect in a good C
|
|||
|
|
compiler.
|
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|
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Borland has long been known for fast compiling and executing,
|
|||
|
|
inexpensive compilers, packed features, good documentation, and
|
|||
|
|
excellent customer acknowledgement. However, they are also known
|
|||
|
|
for non-linking, non-libraries, non-standards, and compilers that
|
|||
|
|
just don't fit in well. Turbo C ends all that. Before I got Turbo
|
|||
|
|
C, I feared that it would be packed with annoying "extensions"
|
|||
|
|
and be essentially another language only similar to C, like Turbo
|
|||
|
|
Pascal. Do that was fine for Pascal, but C is different; I
|
|||
|
|
thought if Philippe tried to make a splash with a new twist to C,
|
|||
|
|
he'd drown. But all my fears have been laid to rest. Turbo C is
|
|||
|
|
ENTIRELY K&R C, with almost all UNIX functions implemented by
|
|||
|
|
MicroSoft C (what I considered the very best compiler and closest
|
|||
|
|
to UNIX, a consideration I may have to rethink) and a full
|
|||
|
|
implementation of ANSI draft C. (ANSI C has not been approved; it
|
|||
|
|
is only a draft, so a conformity to "ANSI C" cannot be claimed,
|
|||
|
|
only to "ANSI C draft.") Turbo C also offers many more functions,
|
|||
|
|
surprisingly, they are along the lines of the UNIX functions that
|
|||
|
|
MS C missed and some nice hardware dependent stuff. Borland did
|
|||
|
|
not forget that C is a low level language and was meant to be
|
|||
|
|
hardware oriented, a concept that if neglected could be fatal for
|
|||
|
|
marketing. Philippe in his infinite insight did not neglect that
|
|||
|
|
concept.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I have found no glaring bugs in Turbo C that I didn't already
|
|||
|
|
know about; and in fact, one bug that was listed on the Borland
|
|||
|
|
forum I tried to correct and it was already corrected. Another I
|
|||
|
|
saw in Echomail had to do with some obscure convolution of the
|
|||
|
|
environment, but not something you'd run into every day, or even
|
|||
|
|
in a year, probably. I have complete faith that any bugs that ARE
|
|||
|
|
in there will be corrected in the usual Borland style, with
|
|||
|
|
upgrades sent free to users with bugged versions.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
RUN TIME LIBRARY
|
|||
|
|
FidoNews 4-25 Page 32 6 Jul 1987
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
The run time library is the most complete I've seen, with
|
|||
|
|
over 300 functions. Strangely missing, but not very missed, are
|
|||
|
|
the Borland screen I/O, graphics, sound, and other extensions
|
|||
|
|
found in Turbo Pascal, Turbo BASIC, and Turbo Prolog. Since C is
|
|||
|
|
a language not meant for such applications, I will not miss it.
|
|||
|
|
Turbo Pascal 4.0 will surely have them, and have them in a
|
|||
|
|
library we can steal from.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Borland does offer some striking functions. For instance, the
|
|||
|
|
much-needed findfirst() and findnext() functions are included,
|
|||
|
|
used for processing wildcard specs. searchpath() will search the
|
|||
|
|
current directory then the PATH spec for a specified file. keep()
|
|||
|
|
will terminate and stay resident and take care of the nasty
|
|||
|
|
memory cleanup. hardxxxx() routines are used for handling
|
|||
|
|
annoying "Abort, Retry, Ignore?" errors. fnmerge() and fnsplit()
|
|||
|
|
process a file spec and its individual components; drive, path,
|
|||
|
|
filename, and extension. getpass() is a conio function that
|
|||
|
|
prints a prompt, disables echo, reads in up to 8 characters, and
|
|||
|
|
returns them in a string. Absolute disk i/o is supported. You can
|
|||
|
|
get and set a file's time or date. Set the DOS time or date. Get
|
|||
|
|
country dependent information. Binary search, quick sort, and
|
|||
|
|
linear searches. Signals. printf with pointer value display. Math
|
|||
|
|
error trapping. Sharing and locking. Get FAT information. Many
|
|||
|
|
time functions. Get disk free space. Full and complete string
|
|||
|
|
functions. Sleep so many seconds. Set interrupt vector. And every
|
|||
|
|
function in MS C except 4 functions (mentioned below). Every one
|
|||
|
|
is labelled with portability considerations and cross references.
|
|||
|
|
It also supports predefined macros that expand to compile time,
|
|||
|
|
compile date, Turbo C version number, line number, source file
|
|||
|
|
name, memory model, ANSI C compatibility, and much more.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
COMPATIBILITY
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
As far as I can see, Turbo C is virtually identical to MS C
|
|||
|
|
with the exception of a few functions. Some functions are named
|
|||
|
|
differently in Turbo C and Borland was very thoughtful and
|
|||
|
|
included #defines in the header files to take care of this. The
|
|||
|
|
only glaring exception is that signal() is implemented as
|
|||
|
|
ssignal(), but as far as I can see that's the only difference.
|
|||
|
|
Turbo C has an explicit method for handling control break, but
|
|||
|
|
I'm not sure if it can be done via ssignal() like it can in MS C.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
The functions I found not supported explicitly in Turbo C
|
|||
|
|
that are found in MS C are the following:
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
tempname(), tmpfile(), tmpname() (mktemp and creattemp exist)
|
|||
|
|
rmtemp() onexit (implemented as atexit())
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
and that's about all. Turbo C is not wimpy; it implements all
|
|||
|
|
global variables MS C does (error strings, error numbers,
|
|||
|
|
_osmajor, _osminor, __LINE__, __FILE__, sys_errno, etc.).
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
In porting MS C programs to Turbo C I had little problem,
|
|||
|
|
even programs from a book published by MicroSoft Press for MS C
|
|||
|
|
(as soon as I changed the signal() to ssignal()). Turbo C offers
|
|||
|
|
ANSI only code generation (disable extensions), optimization
|
|||
|
|
FidoNews 4-25 Page 33 6 Jul 1987
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
speed/space, optimization of redundant jumps and reorganization
|
|||
|
|
of loops and switch statements (don't ask), turn off stack
|
|||
|
|
checking, string merging (ever wonder why two string constants
|
|||
|
|
with the exact same value take up separate places in the object
|
|||
|
|
file? Turbo C resolves that), suppression of "redundant load
|
|||
|
|
operations by remembering the contents of registers and reusing
|
|||
|
|
them as often as possible," nesting of comments, nesting of
|
|||
|
|
#includes, selectable 1-32 significant character identifiers,
|
|||
|
|
80186 instructions, enabling/disabling of 27 different warnings
|
|||
|
|
(including unreachable code, code has no effect, 'x' is assigned
|
|||
|
|
a value that is never used, function should return a value,
|
|||
|
|
possibly incorrect assignment (like "if (a=b)", usually an error)
|
|||
|
|
and various portability warnings), assembly code output, and
|
|||
|
|
enable/disable register variables. Clearly Turbo C is no wimp.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Turbo C also includes startup source, a main() that does not
|
|||
|
|
access the library, and a statement saying you can get the
|
|||
|
|
complete library source licensed for $295. I get the sincere
|
|||
|
|
impression that Turbo C will be well supported. Do I see a source
|
|||
|
|
code debugger in the works?
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Next week I'll discuss the environment, benchmarks, codesize,
|
|||
|
|
and hardware interfacing (writing interrupts, TSRing, converting
|
|||
|
|
to .COM files, inline assembler, etc.)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
FidoNews 4-25 Page 34 6 Jul 1987
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-- The Regular Irregular Column --
|
|||
|
|
Dale Lovell
|
|||
|
|
157/504
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
This has not been a good week. I'm beginning to believe that
|
|||
|
|
I'm cursed. It started out well enough, but come the weekend it
|
|||
|
|
became a disaster. As a result, I didn't have a chance to look
|
|||
|
|
over too many of the new products that have arrived here. Maybe
|
|||
|
|
by next week I'll have looked over some of it. In the meantime,
|
|||
|
|
I've learned a lot over the past week and taken a look at one
|
|||
|
|
very interesting program.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-- The Curse --
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
It started off innocently enough, with a visit to my local
|
|||
|
|
dealer Friday night. While I was there he showed me one of the
|
|||
|
|
new AT clones he's just starting to carry in quantity. He's
|
|||
|
|
usually had two or three AT clones in at any one point in the
|
|||
|
|
past, but since the prices started dropping he's decided to
|
|||
|
|
change over. Instead of stocking XT clones in quantity, he's
|
|||
|
|
going to start stocking a variety of AT clones. This wasn't a
|
|||
|
|
major revelation to me. In the past year prices have dropped
|
|||
|
|
dramatically. A year and a half ago I bought my first IBM
|
|||
|
|
compatible system from him, and have been very pleased with it.
|
|||
|
|
It has never given me any trouble, and he's always been able to
|
|||
|
|
help me when it came time to expand (hard drive, modem, etc.).
|
|||
|
|
The problem is that I can now get an AT for what I paid for my XT
|
|||
|
|
a year ago. Since he was finally buying ATs in quantity, his
|
|||
|
|
priced had dropped to something I could afford. I'd been able to
|
|||
|
|
afford an AT for some time but didn't want to go the mail-order
|
|||
|
|
route. My dealer has always been able to help me out when I had
|
|||
|
|
any questions, and usually lets me look over any software package
|
|||
|
|
I'm interested in buying (in the store).
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Well, I decided to take one home that night. He tried
|
|||
|
|
talking me out of it because the first shipment of ATs had just
|
|||
|
|
come in, and none of the machines had been tested yet. My problem
|
|||
|
|
is that I'm impatient. We opened up one of them (a 10 mhz machine
|
|||
|
|
none the less) and hooked everything up and tested it. Fifteen
|
|||
|
|
minutes later I was satisfied that everything was working and
|
|||
|
|
talked him into letting me take it home that night. Saturday was
|
|||
|
|
spent transferring boards and the data on the hard drive between
|
|||
|
|
my old XT and the AT. This took a while as I wanted to make sure
|
|||
|
|
everything came through this minor surgery in one piece. After
|
|||
|
|
everything was transferred I called up a friend who had been
|
|||
|
|
drooling over the XT and proceeded to sell him my old machine.
|
|||
|
|
MAJOR MISTAKE!!! Later that night the keyboard on the new system
|
|||
|
|
died (or close to it). I had a meeting after work on Monday night
|
|||
|
|
and it wasn't until Tuesday that I was able to get back to the
|
|||
|
|
store and swap keyboards. In the meantime the system stayed up
|
|||
|
|
(for my night calls) and polled my host for mail. I was even able
|
|||
|
|
to get the AUTOEXEC.BAT file set up to automatically bring up
|
|||
|
|
SEAdog in case of a power failure. The problem was I wasn't able
|
|||
|
|
to get any work done on this column until Wednesday (the day I
|
|||
|
|
usually send 'em off to Thom). There are two lessons I learned
|
|||
|
|
from this experience. 1) Never rush your local dealer, they
|
|||
|
|
FidoNews 4-25 Page 35 6 Jul 1987
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
usually know what's best and 2) Never get rid of your old
|
|||
|
|
equipment until you've been using your new equipment for some
|
|||
|
|
time. Please don't make the same mistake that I made. My dealer,
|
|||
|
|
and hopefully yours, was very understanding when I got back and
|
|||
|
|
promptly gave me a new keyboard. I am very glad that I didn't
|
|||
|
|
pick up the system from a mail-order company. It could have taken
|
|||
|
|
over a week with everything being sent through UPS.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-- QubeCalc (FormalWare Co. $49.95 Registration) --
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Ever since Visicalc was introduced, everyone has tried to
|
|||
|
|
improve on the basic idea. Multiplan added sorting to the
|
|||
|
|
spreadsheet, and Lotus added graphing capabilities. That pretty
|
|||
|
|
much sums up all the improvements made to spreadsheets in over 5
|
|||
|
|
years. I was pretty much convinced that the area had been "panned
|
|||
|
|
out" until I came across QubeCalc. While QubeCalc can't cover as
|
|||
|
|
much 2 dimensional space as something like Lotus 1-2-3, it does
|
|||
|
|
do some things that Lotus (and many other expensive, commercial
|
|||
|
|
spreadsheets) can't do. Since the product is marketed under the
|
|||
|
|
shareware/user supported software/etc. plan, you should be able
|
|||
|
|
to download from a local board and decide if it will work for
|
|||
|
|
you. If it does, send in $49.95 and you'll receive the latest
|
|||
|
|
version, the full typeset manual (a partial manual is included in
|
|||
|
|
the publicly distributed program) and they'll make sure you know
|
|||
|
|
about any updates or new versions as they come out.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
The basic difference in QubeCalc is that it isn't limited to
|
|||
|
|
the two dimensions of most commercial spreadsheets. Instead of
|
|||
|
|
representing one page, QubeCalc represents several pages stacked
|
|||
|
|
on top of each other. This means you no longer have to arrange
|
|||
|
|
your spreadsheet with every month's data being in another section
|
|||
|
|
of the page. Instead you can have a different page for each month
|
|||
|
|
with the sums of a section going "down" instead of scattering
|
|||
|
|
them over a spreadsheet. You don't have to remember how you
|
|||
|
|
organized the years statements, instead each month or weeks
|
|||
|
|
statement is on its own "page" with one page being a grand total
|
|||
|
|
of all the pages. QubeCalc also lets you rotate the data so you
|
|||
|
|
could turn the "pages" into a column with the old columns
|
|||
|
|
becoming the pages. I've never seen a program that allows you to
|
|||
|
|
rotate and analyze data before, so I'm pretty impressed! Some of
|
|||
|
|
the other features that I've been impressed with include the
|
|||
|
|
capability to recalc a specific block of the "spreadcube" (my
|
|||
|
|
term, not theirs), and a DataFill command that can generate all
|
|||
|
|
types of curves (versus a constant step rate).
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I've been using the product for several days and have been
|
|||
|
|
wishing I had acquired it a year earlier. I had been working as a
|
|||
|
|
night auditor for a hotel and ended up spending most of a day
|
|||
|
|
working on a spreadsheet to generate my daily report. My problems
|
|||
|
|
all came about because of the three dimensions of my report
|
|||
|
|
(month-to-date totals, daily totals, and column of figures). It
|
|||
|
|
would have greatly simplified my life if I could have gone in,
|
|||
|
|
instead I had to go sideways like crazy. This program could have
|
|||
|
|
saved me several hours of work. This brings up the major strength
|
|||
|
|
of QubeCalc. Since it has several pages of data, you can EASILY
|
|||
|
|
have it generate regular reports without having to worry about
|
|||
|
|
FidoNews 4-25 Page 36 6 Jul 1987
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
going sideways or down and possibly running out of room before
|
|||
|
|
the end of the week/month/year. The only limitation is the
|
|||
|
|
version I was given (version 1.01) only handles a cube of
|
|||
|
|
64x64x64. This means you can go to 64 columns, 64 rows and 64
|
|||
|
|
pages. This limits you to 262,144 cells. While this may not sound
|
|||
|
|
like much, think about how many reports you do that would exceed
|
|||
|
|
this limit. I don't think it would be very many (if any at all).
|
|||
|
|
While I don't think it's a serious limitation, I do hope that it
|
|||
|
|
has or will be increased in the near future.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I had no problem becoming used to QubeCalc's commands. Just
|
|||
|
|
about anyone who is familiar with Lotus 1-2-3 should be able to
|
|||
|
|
use it without any problem. My only difficulty was that all
|
|||
|
|
formulas start out with the equals sign ("="), and I'm too used
|
|||
|
|
to starting my equations with either an "@" sign or a plus sign.
|
|||
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the menus instead of trying to operate on "full auto" it
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shouldn't be that difficult to use. The setup program included
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allows you to set it up to run from any directory (it has
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overlays and needs to know where they are) and set the screen
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colors to your personal preferences. The installation program
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does a nice job of letting you "personalize" the program. I've
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seen quite a few commercial programs that were nowhere near as
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friendly as QubeCalc. Overall it is a very impressive program.
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look into QubeCalc as it can often handle these reports easier
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than many commercial spreadsheets. Consider the $49.95 price, and
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you come out far ahead on my spreadcube!
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-- Winding down --
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machine, so I didn't have a chance to look over any games this
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week. I did have a chance to go over several books and found
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several I enjoyed. One of those was "Programmer's at Work, 1st
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Series" with interviews by Susan Lammers (Microsoft Press, list
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price $14.95). This is another of the books like "Hackers" or
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"The Soul of a New Machine." Instead of concentrating on a
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particular program, language, or technique; it looks at the
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people who are actually creating these strange machines (and
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programs). Some of the more well known names include Bill Gates
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(one of the founders of Microsoft) and Dan Bricklin (VisiCalc and
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Dan Bricklin's Demo Program). Each "chapter" is an interview with
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a programmer and starts off with some background on the
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individual. Each programmer was asked to donate some actual piece
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of work. While most of the code pieces are incomplete, there are
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a few "complete" pieces of work that can be keyed in and run. I
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found the book fascinating, as I learned the design concepts
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behind several of today's most popular programs or the beginnings
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of some major advances in personal computing. If you enjoyed the
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other people computer books I've looked at, here is one more you
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should consider adding to your library.
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That ties it up for this week. I'd enjoy hearing what you
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think on anything I've written about (or missed writing about).
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Many thanks go out to the many of you who have been reading my
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column on Usenet. I try to respond to all the mail received,
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although I do miss one every now and then. Below you'll find my
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US mail, FidoNet, and uucp address (I now have several more sites
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for you Usenet people). FidoNet people should route mail to me
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through 157/1 or 157/0 as I'm a private node.
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Dale Lovell
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3266 Vezber Drive
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FidoNet: 157/504 (or 1:157/504.1 for an extended address)
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uucp:
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decvax\
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>!cwruecmp!hal\
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cbosgd/ >!ncoast!lovell
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/--!necntc/
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ames---\ /
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talcott \/
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harvard /
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FOR SALE
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Jean Coppola Sysop 107/201
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Computer & Software Package For Sale
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Panansonic Sr. Partner
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640K Internal Ram
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8087 Co-Processor Installed
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Built In Printer
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Built-in Monochrome Monitor
|
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Two 5 1/4 Inch Drives
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One 22 Megabyte Hard Drive
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Tandy RGB Color Monitor
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Hayes Type 1200 Baud External Modem
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All Cables, Power Cords, Etc;
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Software Included In Above Package
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====================================
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PC DOS 3.1 Software Carousel
|
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MS DOS 3.2 Print Shop
|
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Turbo Prolog Lotus 1-2-3
|
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Disk Optimizer dBase III+
|
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Cubit Norton Utilities
|
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Microsoft Windows Mace Utilities
|
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Microsoft Quick Basic Compiler Norton Commander
|
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Copywrite Doctor Dos
|
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SEAdog PcTools
|
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DoubleDos 1Dir
|
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SuperKey Fastback
|
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NewsRoom Pro Turbo Pascal
|
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IBM PC LAN And Much Much More......
|
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|
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Best Offer Over $1200.00 Gets This Package
|
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Contact Sysop 107/201 For More Details, etc;
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NOTICES
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The Interrupt Stack
|
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1 Aug 1987
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Third Annual BBS Picnic in Edison, NJ. Please register before
|
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|
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July 10th. Admission is $7 for adults, $4 for 12 and under,
|
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|
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free for 5 and under. Contact John Kelley at 107/331 for
|
|||
|
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details.
|
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|
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|
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20 Aug 1987
|
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|
|
Start of the Fourth International FidoNet Conference, to be
|
|||
|
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held at the Radisson Mark Plaza Hotel in Alexandria, VA.
|
|||
|
|
Contact Brian Hughes at 109/634 for more information. This is
|
|||
|
|
FidoNet's big annual get-together, and is your chance to meet
|
|||
|
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all the people you've been talking with all this time. We're
|
|||
|
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hoping to see you there!
|
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|
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|
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24 Aug 1989
|
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Voyager 2 passes Neptune.
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|
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|
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If you have something which you would like to see on this
|
|||
|
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calendar, please send a message to FidoNet node 1:1/1.
|
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I'm sorry to say that Edition 103 of echolist will be delayed...
|
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|
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Since I'll be on vacation July 5-11 I don't expect to have every
|
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|
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thing done til sometime around July 20th (I hope). Again sorry
|
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|
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for the delay!
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If it wasn't the middle of the summer, I would have sworn
|
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|
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that issue 4-24 of Fidnews was an April fools issue. The
|
|||
|
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editorial was a bit of a downer but the rest of the issue
|
|||
|
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was uniformly light harted. Could it be that our editor
|
|||
|
|
actually edited that issue instead of the old FIFO system?
|
|||
|
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Could it be that our editor just was fed up with trojan
|
|||
|
|
hackers and disk crashes and decided to celebrate April 1
|
|||
|
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on June 29? Will we ever know? Do we want to know? Why
|
|||
|
|
am I asking all the questions? Why don't I find something
|
|||
|
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usefull to do?
|
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Latest Software Versions
|
|||
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|
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BBS Systems Node List Other
|
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FidoNews 4-25 Page 40 6 Jul 1987
|
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|
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|
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& Mailers Version Utilities Version Utilities Version
|
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|
|||
|
|
Dutchie 2.51* EDITNL 3.3 ARC 5.21*
|
|||
|
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Fido 11w LISTGEN 05.25.86 ARCmail 0.60
|
|||
|
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Opus 0.00 Prune 1.40 EchoMail 1.31
|
|||
|
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SEAdog 4.00 RouteGen 2.81* FastEcho 2.00*
|
|||
|
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TBBS 2.0M* TestList 8.3* Renum 3.30
|
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|
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XlatList 2.81*
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
* Recently changed
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
Utility authors: Please help keep this list as current as
|
|||
|
|
possible by reporting new versions to 1:1/1. It is not our
|
|||
|
|
intent to list all utilities here, only those which verge on
|
|||
|
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necessity.
|
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FidoNews 4-25 Page 41 6 Jul 1987
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|
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OFFICIAL REGISTRATION FORM
|
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FOURTH INTERNATIONAL FIDONET CONFERENCE
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|
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RADISSON MARK PLAZA HOTEL
|
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ALEXANDRIA, VA.
|
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|
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AUGUST 20 - 23, 1987
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|
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|
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Name _________________________________ Date _____________
|
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Address ______________________________
|
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|
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City & State _________________________
|
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Phone (Voice) ________________________
|
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|
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Net/Node Number ______________________
|
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|
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Phone (Data) _________________________
|
|||
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|
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|
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Number in Your Party _________________
|
|||
|
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Staying at the Radisson? _____________
|
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|
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Number of Rooms? _____________________
|
|||
|
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Arrival Date? ________________________
|
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|
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Departure Date? ______________________
|
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|
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|
|||
|
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Registration Fees: How Many Total
|
|||
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|
|||
|
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Full Conference $60.00 each ________ $________
|
|||
|
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Late registration $10.00 each ________ $________
|
|||
|
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(after Aug. 1)
|
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|
|||
|
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Friday Night Banquet $30.00 each ________ $________
|
|||
|
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Saturday Luncheon $16.50 each ________ $________
|
|||
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|
|||
|
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Total Amount Included (Registration and Meals) $________
|
|||
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|
|||
|
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IFNA MEMBERS ONLY:
|
|||
|
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How many in your party will
|
|||
|
|
be attending the Sunday morning
|
|||
|
|
Board of Directors meeting? ________
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Send your registration form and a check or money order to:
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Fourth International FidoNet Conference
|
|||
|
|
212 E. Capitol St., Washington, D.C. 20003
|
|||
|
|
Attn: Brian H. Hughes -- voice: (202) 543-4200
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
This registration form does not include hotel accomodations. If
|
|||
|
|
you wish to stay at the Radisson Mark Plaza Hotel, please contact
|
|||
|
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them directly and mention you are with the FidoNet Conference.
|
|||
|
|
Conference room rates are $80/night for single or double
|
|||
|
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occupancy, and $20/night for an extra cot.
|
|||
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|
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|
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Radisson Mark Plaza Hotel
|
|||
|
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5000 Seminary Rd., Alexandria, Va. 22311
|
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1-800-228-9822
|
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INTERNATIONAL FIDONET ASSOCIATION
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ORDER FORM
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Publications
|
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|
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The IFNA publications can be obtained by downloading from Fido
|
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1/10 or other FidoNet compatible systems, or by purchasing them
|
|||
|
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directly from IFNA. We ask that all our IFNA Committee Chairmen
|
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|
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provide us with the latest versions of each publication, but we
|
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can make no written guarantees.
|
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|
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Hardcopy prices as of October 1, 1986
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System Enhancement Associates SEAdog $60.00 _____
|
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|
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ONLY 1 copy SEAdog per IFNA Member
|
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|
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P.O. Box 41143
|
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the Board of Directors. An IFNA Echomail Conference has been
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established on FidoNet to assist the Elections Committee. We
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welcome your input on this Conference.
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