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THE DEAD CBBS SCROLLS: EXACT TRANSCRIPTIONS OF THERMAL ROLLS FROM THE FIRST
MONTHS OF WARD CHRISTENSEN AND RANDY SUESS' CBBS, FOUNDED FEBRUARY 16, 1978 

     Transcribed by Jason Scott of TEXTFILES.COM, March 22, 2002 
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            ROLL TIME SPAN: May 25th, 1978 - May 27th, 1978
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FEEDBACK FROM RANDY SUESS:

      WARD---- THE SYSTEM BLEW UP AGAIN......TYPE IN R;102;........;150
      AND WHEN IT GETS TO ABOUT 133 IT GOES AWAY!!!


FROM: STEVE KIRK
DATE: 05/25/78
  TO: MIKE HERMAN
SUBJ: UNIX 
   
      I USE UNIX OP SYSTEM AT UNIVERSITY OF ILLINOIS-CHICAGO....IF ANYONE 
      IS INTERESTED YOU CAN TRY UNIX BY DIALING 996-6320
 
      USE LOGIN NAME "MISC" NO PASSWORD.
      HEY RANDY????????

      RANDY????
      REAL FINE RANDY


FROM: KEITH COOK
DATE: 05/25/78 
  TO: ALL
SUBJ: PRINTERS FOR SALE

      TWO PRINTERS FOR SALE.  EXPANDOR $450.00; MODIFIED
      SELECTRIC $995.00.  BOTH PRINTERS ARE IN GOOD WORKING
      ORDER.  CALL KEITH COOK AT COMPUTERLAND OF ARLINGTON HTS.
      FOR FURTHER DETAILS.


FROM: WARD CHRISTENSEN
DATE: 05/25/78 
  TO: DAVE CAULKINS
SUBJ: ATLANTA CBBS
  
      DAVE, I DO NOT HAVE THE NUMBER OF ATLANTA CBBS.  I HAVE
      TALKED WITH DENNIS HAYES, AND DON HYDE (WHO IS DOING THE
      PROGRAMMING). THEY ARE USING DON'S DEVELOPMENT MACHINE
      FOR THE CBBS, SO IT'S HOURS ARE NOT FIXED.  I SUGGEST YOU 
      CALL THEM AT (404) 455-7663 AND GET THE LATEST, OR, IF I 
      REMEMBER, I WILL ASK FOR IT WHEN I CALL, WHICH I DO 
      FREQUENTLY. SORRY FOR NOT ANSWERING SOONER.

      P.S. THE ZIP CODE FOR CHICAGO IS WRONG ON THE CBBS
      CALIFORNIA.  46304 IS CHESTERTON, INDIANA, INTERESTINGLY 
      ENOUGH THE PLACE WHERE I CALL YOU FROM.  I WONDER IF GRAGG 
      DID A ZIP-TO-CITY SEARCH FROM MY CALL TO HIM, AND PUT THE 
      ZIP DOWN.  ANYWAY, IT IS 60613.  
 
      P.S. ALSO, HOW ABOUT A 'CREDIT' LINE FOR RANDY AND I
      IN YOUR CBBS?  


FROM: MIKE/HERMAN
DATE: 05/25/78
  TO: STEVE KIRK
SUBJ: UNIX

      DOES THE SYSTEM HAVE A CHESS PROGRAM?  
      ARE YOU INTERESTED IN TRADING SOME PROGRAMS?


FROM: HENRY HILLBRATH
DATE: 05/25/78
  TO: SYSTEM OPERATORS
SUBJ: HELLO FROM SEATTLE

      I AM A MEMBER OF THE NORTHWEST COMPUTER CLUB. JUST
      FOUND OUT ABOUT YOUR NEAT SYSTEM FROM HOMEBREW N/L
      AND WROTE AN ARTICLE ON IT FOR OUR N/L. WE HAVE
      A SIMILAR CAPABILITY ON A LOCAL TIMESHARE SYSTEM,
      BUT NOT PUBLIC. I AM AMAZED THAT YOU CAN GET SO MUCH
      THRUPUT ON ONE PHONE LINE! LOTS OF SUCCESS.


FEEDACK FROM HENRY HILLBRATH:

      YOUR MODEM DOSEN'T WANT TO TALK TO SOME OR OF OUR 
      MODEMS BUT OTHER THAN THAT YOUR SYSTEM WORKS GREAT.
      I SEE FORM READING SOME MORE MESSAGES THAT YOU ARE
      HAVING THRUPUT PROBLEMS. WE ARE PRINTING YOUR NUMBER HOPE
      IT DOSEN'T MESS YOU UP TOO MUCH. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOUR
      SYSTEM DO WELL. LOTS OF LUCK.


FROM: ERNIE KENT
DATE: 05/26/78
  TO: CARL HELMERS
SUBJ: STUFF

      HI! GOT YOUR NOTE AND GLAD TO HEAR YOU FINNALY GOT A
      MODEM. ASSUMING YOU'LL GET IT UP AND LOOK HERE SHORTLY,
      HERE IS A MESSAGE FOR YOU. I'VE GONT MINE SET SO YOUR
      MODEM CAN BECOME MY CONSOLE (IN PARALLEL WITH IT
      ACTUALLY), AND SHORTLY WILL BE SET FOR TRANSMISSION OF
      HEX FILES FROM DISK. WHEN YOU FIND THIS KILL IT AND
      I'LL KNOW YOU'RE SET UP AND SEND YOU THE NUMBER AND THE
      PASSCODES. FUN, HUH? ----- ERNIE


FROM: LARRY ROOT
DATE: 05/26/78
  TO: WARD
SUBJ: ATLANTA

      NUMBER FOR ATLANTA CBBS IS: 404-458-4886.  GOT THRU TO IT WED 
      EVE/THU MORN.  CREDIT IS THERE, WITH EITHER SYSTEM, AND I TOO 
      WAS THROWN WITH THE ZIP CODE FOR CHICAGO...LEFT A SHORT COMMENT 
      TO THAT EFFECT.   CUL   KUR   LCR

      IS RUN BY BY WARD CHRISTENSEN AND RANDY SUESS FOR MSG...ETC.'


FEEDBACK FROM TOM ROOT:

      VERY INTERESTING SYSTEM....MY COUSIN LARRY ROOT TOLD ME
      ABOUT IT, AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. DIDN'T HAVE ANY IDEA
      THAT 'AMATEURS' COULD BE DOING STUFF LIKE THIS.  HE ALSO TELLS 
      ME THAT THERE ARE SIMILAR SYSTEMS IN CALIFORNIA AND ATLANTA, 
      AS WELL AS SEATTLE.  SUPER GREAT. 

      I PROBABLY WON'T GET INTO THIS SYSTEM VERY OFTEN.  AM USING 
      LARRY'S TTY RIGHT NOW.  ANYWAY, I THINK IT'S GREAT.


FROM: DAVID SOUSSAN
DATE: 05/26/78
  TO: WARD & RANDY
SUBJ: T@IS SYSTEM

      I AM NORT CORRECTING ERRORS CAUSED BY COMPUTER (ONLY TYPING
      ) AND THE A ...ER...WAY (ERROR BY COMPUTER) THIS IS WORKING 
      IS TERRIBLE! (JUST GOT A ^R) PARITY BE DTECTED BY THE {CR}S 
      USED IF THE BEGINNING. (IF=IN) THIS ISTHE MOLEE (MODEM) AT 
      THE HP WORKS FILE. I HAVE SEEN MORE PARITY EV][_THERE SHOUL
      D BE A PARITY
    
      (IN MY OPINION).  DIDN'T SEE MESSAG TALKED ABOUT.
      ECHO TAKES TIME, I KNOW. BUT SOMEHOW HP DOES IT FST (FA
      SRT)/LOOK AT MUTHE EWAY MY NAME WENT IN!!!!!


FROM: STEVE WALK
DATE: 05/26/78
  TO: WARD
SUBJ: CBBS SOFTWARE

      WARD,  DID YOU GIVE THIS EXACT SAME SOFTWARE TO
      CALIFORNIA AND ATLANTA?  I CALLED THEN UP A COUPLE
      OF NIGHTS AGO AND IT LOOKS THE SAME.  ARE YOU GOING TO
      TRY TO SET UP A SUPER-SYSTEM WHERE BY EACH SYSTEM CALLS
      UP THE OTHER TO CHECK FOR MESSAGES?  

      STEVE
      LEFT A MESSAGE FOR YOU WARD.


FEEDBACK FROM JILL HURLEY:

       THIS IS THE FIRST TIME 
       THANKS IT WAS MUCH FUN


FEEDBACK FROM STEVE KIRK:

       HI THERE

       I AM INTERFACING THE COMPTALKER WITH BASIC
       FAR OUT HOW COME THIS IS ALWAYS BUSY??
       TURKEYS AT 110 BAUD
       NOT JOCK LIKE ME
       HA   OK BAK TO WORK SEE YA
     
       KIRK


[ Randy Suess Breaks into Chat ]

       - RANDY????
  
       - YES
   
       - I HAD CALL FROM FRIEND OF YOURS ABOUT HP2000

       - YES HE IS K00L

       - 10-4 I GAVE HIM AN ACCOUNT. BYE BYE
         U WILL LEARN TO USE A COMPUTER YET!!!
         IT'LL TAKE FOUR YESAARS OF ENGINEERING SCHOOL 
         OR TYPING SCHOOL

[ Chat Session Ends ]


FROM: GEORGE/BRICKNER
DATE: 05/26/78
  TO: WARD AND ALL
SUBJ: SYNCHRONOUS PROTOCOLS

      REGARDS YOUR MSG (193),
      THE SYNCHRONOUS MODENM DOES THE DATA RATE CLOCKING.
      THE 8251 COMMUNICATIONS CONTROLLER CHIP REQUIRES
      A SYNCH MODEM IN SYNCH MODE. DATA RATES FOR
      SYNCH XMISSION ARE FROM 1200 BAUD TO OVER 
      50 KB! YOU CAN GO UP TO 2400 BAUD ON VOICE GRADE
      PHONE LINES. SYNCH XMITS D8 BIT BYTES WITH A FEW
      FRAMING CHARACTERS: I.E. 1 OR 2 SYNCH CHARS;
      STX, 2 POLLING CHARS FOR ADDRESSING, ETX AND 
      A CHECKSUM. SYNCH WOULD BE GOOD FOR BATCHED
      MESSAGES BETWEEN NETWORK NODES, TIEING UP
      PHONES LINES FOR LESS TIME, SAVING MONEY.
      ALSO MICRO COMPUTERS THAT TALK BISYNC ARE
      POTENTIAL PRODUCTS TO SMALL BUSINESSES.
      CHEAPER THAN IBM !

      WE COULD USE BISYNC TO PERMIT VARIOUS CBBS TO PASS MSGS
      BETWEEN EACH OTHER.


NAME: WARD CHRISTENSEN
DATE: 05/26/78
  TO: DAVID SOUSSAN
SUBJ: CORRECTING MISTAKES

      "..AND LOOK AT THE WAY MY NAME WENT IN..."  ???
      THAT IS WHY CONTROL-R EXISTS.  WHEN YOU TYPE YOUR NAME
      (OR ANYTHING YOU WANT TO GO INTO THE SYSTEM CORRECTLY)
      AND YOU THINK IT MIGHT BE GLITCHED, TYPE CONTROL-R, 
      WHICH WILL ECHO THE ENTIRE LINE BACK TO YOU.  IF IT IS
      INCORRECT, USE EITHER DEL OR CONTROL-U TO CORRECT IT.
      ...AS TO THE ECHO SPEED, IT IS CONCEIVABLE THAT WE, I 
      BEGAN TO THINK THAT PERHAPS WE EXECUTE A LOT OF 
      INSTRUCTIONS FROM TIME IN, TO TIME OUT,BUT LOOKED, AND 
      IT IS ONLY ABOUT 50 OR SO.  YOU HAVE ME PUZZLED.  AS TO 
      YOUR CONNECTION TO US, WE ADMIT TO NOT HAVING THE BEST 
      MODEM MONEY CAN BUY, ONLY ONE WHICH IS REASONABLE IN COST
      IN KEEPING WITH THE OVERALL GOALS (BOTH COST AND FUNCTION)
      OF THIS SYSTEIM.  WE WILL BE TRYING A NEWER REVISION HAYES 
      MODEM SHORTLY (HAYES SAYS PAPERWORK IS DONE, SHOULD BE 
      SHIPPED SOON).  SORRY.  IF NOT SATISFACTORY DON'T USE
      THE SYSTEM.  


NAME: WARD CHRISTENSEN
DATE: 05/26/78
  TO: STEVE WALK 
SUBJ: CBBS SOFTWARE

      STEVE:  YES, BOTH ATLANTA AND CALIFORNIA ARE RUNNING MY
      SOFTWARE, ALTHOUGH I DID NOT 'EXACTLY 'GIVE' IT AWAY.
      IT IS COPYRIGHT.

      THE PROGRAMS BEAR A COPYRIGHT NOTICE, AND ALL DISTRIBUTION
      IS THRU RANDY AND MYSELF.  WITH HAYES, WE TRADED, AND WITH
      CALIFORNIA, IT WAS DONE TO SHOW OUR SUPPORT FOR THE INTENSE
      EFFORT GOING INTO PCNET. 


FEEDBACK FROM WARD CHRISTENSEN:

     JUST RAN INTO GLITCH WHEREBY LOWER CASE CHARS WERE NOT
     ACCEPTED. I SAID 'SAVE 40 BADUC526.COM'.  HOW ABOUT GETTING
     IT AND MODEMING IT OVER TO ME.  BAH.


FROM: DAVE JAFFE
DATE: 5/26/78
  TO: JACK WIERDA
SUBJ: RE #205

      DAVE JACK, GOT YOUR MSG, BUT WAS UNABLE TO CALL TOM MADDEN
      AT INTEL. WILL BE OUT OF TOWN FOR TWO WEEKS, BUT I'LL
      BE SURE TO CALL WHEN I GET BACK. GOING TO NCC - HOPE
      TO HAVE LOTS OF PICS FOR NEXT MEETING. 

      QUESTION: WOULD YOU BE INTERESTED IN DONATING YOUR
      CROSS REFERENCE PROGRAM TO CP/M LIBRARY. IF SO MODEM
      IT TO ME (ASSUMING YOUR MODEM IS UP) WHEN I GET BACK


FROM: RANDY SUESS
DATE: 05/26/78
  TO: RICHARD GRAGG
SUBJ: PET

       RICHARD....I JUST OBTAINED PET AND AM INTERESTED
       IN YOUR HOOKUP OF A MODEM TO YPUROUR PET. IS THERE SOMETHING
       SPECIAL IN HOOKING UP A SERIAL DEVICE TO THE PET??
       LEAVE A MESSAGE IF YOU CAN. 
                            RANDY


FROM: LARRY ROOT
DATE: 05/27/78
  TO: ATLANTA CBBS
SUBJ: SYSTEM DUMB

      TRIED ACCESSING ATLANTA CBBS AT APPROX 300ACD THU MIGHT BE INTERESTED  
      CALL WAS INITIATED FROM RICHTON PARK, IL, JUST SOUTH OF CHICAGO.  
      HOPE IT WAS A FLUKE.   CUL   LARRY ROOT.

      -----} KILL UPON RECEIPT (KUR) {-----


FROM: BOB LIEBERMAN
DATE: 05/27/78
  TO: ALL CP/M USRS
SUBJ: HELP WITH 1.4 DUAL DENSITY SOFTWARE

      REQUIRE SOME AID IN DEBUGGING RELEASE 1.4 DUAL DENSITY
      SOFTWARE FROM DIGITAL SYSTEMS (NOT RESEARCH) TO USE ON 
      THEIR FDC-3 CONTROLLER.

      CALL BOB AT 676-6786    TNX.


FEEDBACK FROM FRED STEPHENS:

      WE ARE CALLING FROM SEATTLE AT 300 BAUD AND HAVE NO PROBLEM 
      READING YOUR MESSAGES

      NOTE:  WE HAVE HEARD ABOUT YOUR SYSTEM...
      BUT REALIZE IT IS 'PRIVATE',,, ANY CHANCE OF WARD AND RANDY 
      GETTING/THE NO???? OVER TO YOU... OUR SYSTEM IS A TIME SHARE AND
      THE WAY WE USE IT IS THAT EACH MEMBER HAS A PASSWORD FOR THE 
      CLUB ACCOUNT OK.  ANYONE WE COULD CONTACT?? (NAME, PHONE)
      ROY GILLETTE 1-206-524-0596 TELL HIM I CALLED OK.  THANKS.  

      P.S. 

[ Randy Suess Breaks into Chat ]

      - YOU HAVE GREAT SIGNAL - WHAT KIND OF MODEM?

      - OMMITEC 

      - WE CAN READ YOU OK BUT THE TYPE BACK IS JUST GARBAGE

      - OK. I FOUND THE SAME PROBLEM CALLING THE CALIF. SYSTEM.
        WE MAY HAVE TO CRANK UP OUR LEVEL.  OVER.
  
      - THIS IS THE FIRST TIME TRYING TO CALL OTHER SYSTEMS IS 
        THE CALIF. GROOP UP?

      - YES, IN RICHARD GRAGG'S CLOSET, ONLY LATE AT NIGHT
        UNTIL HIS D.A.A. ARRIVESS... EARLY JUNE.  OVER

      - OK THANK YOU GOODBY/

      - ADIOS.

[ Chat Session Ends ]


FROM: LARRY ROOT
DATE: 05/27/78
  TO: ALL
SUBJ: REMEMBER

      !*   *   *   *   *   * /////////////////////////
      !  *   *   *   *   *                           /
      !*   *   *   *   *   * /////////////////////////
      !  *   *   *   *   *                           /   MEMORIAL
      !*   *   *   *   *   * /////////////////////////
      !                                              /        DAY
      !///////////////////////////////////////////////
      !                                              /      MEANS
      !///////////////////////////////////////////////
      !                                              /   REMEMBER
      !///////////////////////////////////////////////
      !  

FROM: LARRY ROOT
DATE: 05/27/78
  TO: WARD
SUBJ: LABELS

      WARD---  

      JACK BELAL AND I ARE THINKING ABOUT FETTING TOHGETHER
      A SIG FOR IMSAI OWNERS AND WE WERE WONDERING WHICH 
      WAY WE'RE GOING TO GO) THEN THAT WUD SAVE A LOT OF 
      TIME. PLS LET ME KNOW.   TNX KUR LCR CUL.


FROM: STEVE;WALK
DATE: 05/27/78
  TO: MR. CHRISTENSEN
SUBJ: CBBS SOFTWARE 

      WARD, ARE THERE ANY PLANS TO HAVE A UNIFIED NETWORK?
      I MEAN SEPARATE NETWORK UNITS WHICH CALL EACH OTHER UP
      TO SEND EACH ONE MESSAGES?  ONE SYSTEM COULD SEND TO
      ANOTHER NOT TOO FAR AWAY (LESS PHONE BILL).  THEY PROBAB-
      LY CALL EACH OTHER UP TO TRANSFER MESS. AT OFF HOURS.
      ANOTHER QUESTION, WHEN I WAS TALKING TO THE SYSTEM IN
      CALIFORNIA THE OPERATOR WAS TALKING BACK ONLY HE SAID
      HIS MESSAGE WAS TRANSPARENT TO THE SYSTEM.  HOW DID YOU
      DO THAT?  

      RESPECTFULLY,  STEVE WALK


[ Ward Christensen Breaks into Chat Mode ]

- HI FROM WARD 
  SAW YOUR MSG -  
  THE CALIF SYSTEM TYPED TO YU BY SIMPLEY HAVING HIS KEYBOARD 
  GO DIRECTLY TO THE MODEM, NOT TO ANY PROGRAM (I.E. BULLETIN 
  BOARD/OR ANYTHING). AS TO NETWORKING, THIS SYSTEM IS SIMPLE.
  PCNET IS DOING THE FANCY STUFF.  WELL LEAVE THAT FOR THEM.  
  OVER

- YOU SCARED ME I THOUGHT SOMETHING WAS WRONG WITH THE SYSTEM 
  WHEN YOU CAME ON

- HA HA

- DO YOU HAVE ANY NUMBERS FOR THE PCNET?

- NO, BUT WOULDN'T HELP ANYWAY WITHOUT THEIR V-E-R-Y 
  COMPLEX SOFTWWARE. OVER

- DO YOU MEAN ALL THEIR PROTOCAL?  OVER

- ALL?  DON'T UNDERSTAND.

- I THOUGHT THEY HAVE A STRICT SYNTAX FOR MESSAGES OVER

- YES.  HAIRY HANDSHAKING IN 'RADIX 41' THEN WHEN BOTH SIDES 
  AGREE, THEY GO TO FULL 8 BIT OVER

- WHAT IS 'RADIX 41' OVER

- IT'S A WAY TO SEND 8 BIT DATA VALUES (2 BYTES, AS A 3 BYTE 
  PRINTABLE VALUE, FOR COMMUNICATING WITH COMPUTERS WHICH 
  DON'T HAVE FULL 8 BIT CAPABILITIES, SUCH AS A BZ...BASIC-ONLY 
  SYSTEM.  OVER 

- THAT SOUNDS NEAT.  WHAT COURSES DO YOU RECOMMEND IN COLLEGE ABOUT 
  COMPUTERS?  I AM ENROLLED AT IIT OVER

- DON'T KNOW.  COMPUTER SSCIENCE NOT INVENTED WHEN I WENT 10 YEARS 
  AGO...O V E R.

- HOW WAS THE LAST CACHE MEETING. I WENT ON A CANOE TRIP
  OVER

- NO MEAT.  JUST NON-TECHNICAL ON RADIO SHACK, 
  BUT THEN A TECHNICAL ONE ON THE 6800 INSTRUCTION SET

- WELL, I GOTTA GO.  WORKING ON HEATHKIT 2 METER SYSTEM.  
  RANDY BUGGING ME TO GET GOING.  BYE..

- THANKS FOR TALKING TO ME.  TALK TO YOU LATER.

[ End of Chat Mode ]

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THE DEAD CBBS SCROLLS: EXACT TRANSCRIPTIONS OF THERMAL ROLLS FROM THE FIRST
MONTHS OF WARD CHRISTENSEN AND RANDY SUESS' CBBS, FOUNDED FEBRUARY 16, 1978
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            ROLL TIME SPAN: May 25th, 1978 - May 27th, 1978
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                                                reconstructed copy - edited