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11/30/92 00:04:4
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11/29/92,04:18:06,228075,2,WARD CHRISTENSEN,,
E#45908,
E#45909,12
11/29/92,14:27:08,228076,2,JEAN BARBER,,7
11/29/92,15:13:55,228077,2,STEVE RYAN,,2
type-30 log,ward c;or;*;short
11/25/92,00:47:48,228041,2,WARD CHRISTENSEN,,
E#45906,64
11/25/92,08:36:14,228042,1,LARRY RE,CHICAGO/IL,1
11/25/92,09:33:04,228043,2,WARD CHRISTENSEN,,4
11/25/92,13:06:24,228044,2,SCOTT WHITTLE,,
11/25/92,13:27:46,228045,1,DAVID JOHNSON,,4
11/25/92,14:45:32,228046,1,DON PIVEN,,3
11/25/92,15:22:13,228047,3,WAYNE UNDERHILL,,11
11/25/92,19:19:55,228048,2,DENNIS SLADEK,,2
11/25/92,19:34:01,228049,1,NORB DEMBINSKI,,1
11/25/92,20:11:50,228050,2,MURRAY ARNOW,,2
11/25/92,20:59:21,228051,1,BERNARD GOLDLUST,,2
11/25/92,23:17:06,228052,2,ALEX ZELL,,4
]ALEX ZELL,
11/26/92,00:54:15,228053,2,BILL MATTSON,,2
11/26/92,00:57:35,228054,1,EDWARD MARSH,,5
11/26/92,11:52:59,228055,1,BILL WILSON,,13
11/26/92,13:11:20,228056,2,MURRAY ARNOW,,1
11/26/92,21:38:31,228057,2,ANDREI SCHEINKMAN,,2
11/26/92,21:43:05,228058,2,ANDREI SCHEINKMAN,,1
11/26/92,22:11:48,228059,2,PAUL TADER,,1
11/27/92,00:16:42,228060,1,ANDREI SCHEINKMAN,,2
]WARD-
nks a bundle for your answers. I am planning to mention you
CBBS in my article (unless you have any objections).
answer you question, I am writing this for Illinois History
azine, for a special mass media and communications issue.
article involves BBSs, their future, and their roll is media andBBS,
mentioned it was for
e "club". Please explainI
, when I asked you abt the roll of BBSs in mass media, you
it was limited because not enough people have modems.
abt in the future when people do have modems (wont they?).
t (if any) do you think BBSs will affect mass media and why?
ase respond soon if possible.
nk u very much,
rei Scheinkman
ANDREI SCHEINKMAN,
11/27/92,00:20:22,228061,1,ANDREI SCHEINKMAN,,0
]Thanks a bundle for your answers to my questions. To answer your question,
I am writing this article for Illinois History magazine, in a special
mass media and communications issue. My article involves BBSs, their
future, and their roll in mass media. Whan I asked you why you created
CB
CBBS, you mentioned it was for the "club." PLease explain...
Also, when I asked you about the roll of computer BBSs in mass media,
you said it was limited becuase not enough people have modems. How
about in the future when most people have modems (won't they?). What
(if any) role will BBSs play in mass media?
Please respond ASAP.
THANKS!
Andrei Scheinkman
ANDREI SCHEINKMAN,
11/27/92,05:57:48,228062,2,NORB DEMBINSKI,,9
11/27/92,07:05:35,228063,2,PETE JONES,,1
11/27/92,07:15:37,228064,2,DENNIS STAHL,,3
11/27/92,08:39:04,228065,2,LARRY GLASSMAN,,3
11/27/92,14:18:17,228066,1,BILL WILSON,,19
11/27/92,14:46:12,228067,2,LARRY GLASSMAN,,
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11/27/92,14:58:10,228068,2,DENNIS STAHL,,0
11/27/92,19:07:31,228069,2,DAVID JOHNSON,,0
11/27/92,19:46:04,228070,2,ANDY SHAPIRO,,3
11/28/92,08:10:43,228071,2,MURRAY ARNOW,,1
11/28/92,08:50:58,228072,1,BOB SULLIVAN,,42
11/28/92,21:20:41,228073,2,ROSEMARY MCGUIRE,,
E#45907,5
]tried to leave message about chinet. Hope you get it.  Need number
& to know if bd is operating.  Thx. 312-951-5606.
ROSEMARY MCGUIRE,
11/28/92,22:09:31,228074,2,MURRAY ARNOW,,1
11/29/92,04:18:06,228075,2,WARD CHRISTENSEN,,
E#45908,
E#45909,12
11/29/92,14:27:08,228076,2,JEAN BARBER,,7
11/29/92,15:13:55,228077,2,STEVE RYAN,,2
11/29/92,16:32:34,228078,2,RANDAL CRAIG,,3
11/29/92,16:51:24,228079,2,JEAN BARBER,,15
11/29/92,17:38:26,228080,2,ANDY SHAPIRO,,
E#45910,10
11/29/92,20:56:25,228081,2,DON PIVEN,,1
11/29/92,23:00:22,228082,2,BILL MATTSON,,4
11/30/92,00:04:50,228083,2,WARD CHRISTENSEN,,
45904 11/24/92 WARD CHRISTENSEN => ALL: "CBBS DOWN & BACK UP"
45905 11/24/92 WARD CHRISTENSEN => ALL: "MODEM SIGNALS"
45906 11/25/92 WARD CHRISTENSEN => ANDREI SCHEINKMAN: "REPLIES RE: CBBS"
45907 11/28/92 ROSEMARY MCGUIRE => SYSOP: "CHINET BBS"
45908 11/29/92 WARD CHRISTENSEN => ROSEMARY MCGUIRE: "R/CHINET BBS"
45909 11/29/92 WARD CHRISTENSEN => ANDREI SCHEINKMAN: "REPLY RE: CBBS"
45910 11/29/92 ANDY SHAPIRO => WARD CHRISTENSEN: "R/REPLY RE: CBBS"

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Msg 45904 is 14 line(s) on 11/24/92 from WARD CHRISTENSEN
to ALL re: CBBS DOWN & BACK UP

 Well, sorry for our un-reliability again! This time the HST power supply
died, and CBBS was too specific to that modem to work with others.
 We're now on a Practical Peripherals 2400, with MNP capability, but it
does not seem to be going MNP.
 Randy sez that CBBS should be "generic" so any modem can be hung on it -
i.e. he'll init the modem with a terminal or terminal program, then CBBS
should just "connect". I think the default must not be MNP. He'll check
further, and I'll do what programming is necessary.
 CBBS has to at least hang in there long enough to get ot its 15th
anniversary celebration next February! Lets see, Saturday the 13th
of Feb should be the Sat closest to the 16th if I guestimated right.
for Pizza at Barnaby's on Touhy near California, 2:00 PM. (but call back
for particulars in early Feb).
 Thanks for calling CBBS - we enjoy having you.

Msg 45905 is 08 line(s) on 11/24/92 from WARD CHRISTENSEN
to ALL re: MODEM SIGNALS

 Curious about something - our modem drivers for sending chars checked
if the transmit holding register was empty, then looped making sure clear
to send and data set ready were there, then send the char. When the HST
modem died, (power supply problems) and we tried other modems, they would
"hang". Is it normal these days for modems to not assert these signals?
 Thanks!
 P.S. a change in the drivers to ignore CTS/DSR was what got it going
again.

Msg 45906 is 27 line(s) on 11/25/92 from WARD CHRISTENSEN
to ANDREI SCHEINKMAN re: REPLIES RE: CBBS

 Ya, CBBS has been "sick" for a week or so - bad modem, finally changed
software to be more "generic" and allow other modems to work - but now
we seem to have lost MNP (error correction).
 How old were we? Not sure of the relevance of that! But "about" 33.
 Why create CBBS? Well, there's a long story, but the short one was
(1) that I had an extra computer (I'd been doing some talks and bought one
to take with me); (2) Hayes had come up with the computer-controllable
internal modem; (3) I had a phone line - for club recordings about next
meeting, etc; (4) there was this terrible snow storm on Jan 16, 1978,
that kept me from going to work, so Randy and I got together by phone and
dreamed up the idea. I thought of it being for the club, Randy said that
just we two should do it - "committee" projects just don't go anywhere.
So we just did it. I patterned the software after the "cork board and
push-pins type of bulletin board", and coined the term "BBS" for it.
 The future of BBSs? more specialized, more commercial, more lines,
but also a lot of people just getting into it for the fun of it. Multi-
media, graphics (talked to a guy with A HUNDRED SEVENTY THOUSAND graphic
images online, today - over TWENTY GIGS of disk.).
 Roll of BBSs in mass media? Well, there will be limited exposure -
things like library BBSs or perhaps a city's or village's council BBS
or something - but still not something of general appeal - just not
a high enough percentage of people with modems yet.
 Sorry you had trouble uploading your comment. HEY, in the future,
how about putting them in a MESSAGE instead of only-I-can-see-'em
comments? (Well, some assistant operators can also see 'em).
 Where are you doing this article for? Pardon if you already said, and
I've forgotten.

Msg 45907 is 05 line(s) on 11/28/92 from ROSEMARY MCGUIRE
to SYSOP re: CHINET BBS

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the hang of this system. Am investigating for article for cgo comp soc.
Can you somehow leave me any info? or call 312-951-5606 & tell me? All
I get when I dial it is gibberish.nothing else. Thanx.

Msg 45908 is 07 line(s) on 11/29/92 from WARD CHRISTENSEN
to ROSEMARY MCGUIRE re: R/CHINET BBS

 What number were you dialing? I think the guest line is
(312) 283-0559, but not sure. If it isn't the guest line, then
it should tell you what one is the guest line.
 As to the "gibberish", it could be it isn't at your speed - you have
to send a BREAK to get many Unix systems to change baud rates. It is
old technology, but saves having to write a custom module for each
different modem that is peculiar in some way.

Msg 45909 is 19 line(s) on 11/29/92 from WARD CHRISTENSEN
to ANDREI SCHEINKMAN re: REPLY RE: CBBS

 FIrst, please stop using the comments for messages to me! Make 'em
public! And don't forget to wait a bit before each line when uploading.
 > When I mentioned CBBS was for a "club",
 No, I mentioned that I THOUGHT that would be a good use - for CACHE,
the Chicago Area Computer Hobbyist's Exchange. Randy suggested that doing
it with the club would be by "committee" and would take too long and maybe
never get done, so we just did it on our own.
 > How about in the future when most people will have modems (Won't they)?
 I'm sorry, but I guess working in the big city, I come to think of
street people, and people in housing projects, as "people", and don't feel
the "modem revolution" will touch these people.
 Actually, I'll just have to ask: what IS "Mass Media"? Do you mean
things like TV, newspapers, etc? I don't see BBSs as "mass media". They
aren't "delivered" like TV or newepaper - you have to "go out and do it",
and have to for example tie up your phone line for a while while doing so.
Perhaps it WOULD become mass media if say some apartment complex were to
install keyboards and video monitors in every apartment, linked to a central
BBS, that was linked to other apartment owners "or something". But until
such time, I don't feel it will go toward "mass media".

Msg 45910 is 18 line(s) on 11/29/92 from ANDY SHAPIRO
to WARD CHRISTENSEN re: R/REPLY RE: CBBS

Hmm, I guess I'm creating a chain here.Ward's right. It'll be a LONG
time before most pople have terminals/computers/modems at home. Some
of us (with income) are fortunate, but many people with access to
computers (i.e., $) are still up a crick because they don't know what
to do if it ain't on the menu. I was lucky. Back in '84 I got to be
elected computer person at the American Bar Foundation because (1) I
used to be a ham operator, and everyone though that==hacker in those
days, and (2) I had bought a Kaypro 2 in hopes of gettig some writing
done. I was lucky enough to be given a copy of MDM7xxx that had the
CBBS number in the dialing directory, and I've been a faithful
follower of CBBS for about 8 years now. BUT. Most people don't
feel comfortable with mahines, BBSs, etc. It's funny - everyone will
tell you that driving a car is easy; everyone tells you the opposite about
computers. Yet the latter are in many ways easier (and less risky to
master). So - even among the well-endowed, there's a long way to go.
If you're on the street, or make less than $15,000 a year (like many
people) you're probably out of it. Heck, a good number of the people I
know here in upstate NY don't even have PHONES, let alone modems!
dup. chars.
>Function:?
>Function:?skip all
I don't understand 'SKIP ALL', WARD
Type ? for list of valid commands.
>Function:?