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APPLE II DEVELOPMENT FORUM CONFERENCE LOG
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Tuesday, January 30, 1990 10:00 pm eastern time
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Topic: Ariel Publishing's "8/16" Apple II Technical Journal
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AFA Gary J Ok, let's get started.
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AFA Gary J Welcome to the Apple II Development Forum. I'm Gary Jacobson,
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filling
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AFA Gary J in for Dave Sugar (AFL Dyfet) who's out of town this evening.
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Tonight's
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AFA Gary J topic and special guest(s) is Ariel Publishing, and their new
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Apple II
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AFA Gary J technical journal called "8/16".
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AFA Gary J Our guests this evening (please correct me if I get this wrong :)
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are
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AFA Gary J Eric Mueller, the 16 bit editor for 8/16, and oops..
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AFA Gary J it looks like Jerry just dropped off :)
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Eric 816 :)
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AFA Gary J :)
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AFA Gary J Well, anyway, Jerry Kindall was here, the 8 bit editor for 8/16.
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:)
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Eric 816 Is Ross here yet?
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AFL FrankD You're going to see a LOT of that tonight. Completely destroyed
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my conference the last hour.
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AFA Gary J I haven't seen him, but don't know his screen name (Ross's, that
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is)
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Eric 816 Ross should be along any moment now... it's "Ariel Pub" (I
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think)
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AFA Gary J Eric, before we open up the floor to questions, could you tell us
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a little
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AFA Gary J about yourself and the new magazine?
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Eric 816 Suuure...
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Eric 816 Let me start with me <grin>...
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Eric 816 I've been programming Apple IIs professionally for about 3 years
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now...
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Eric 816 And I knew Ross back when we both lived in the wilds of Alaska.
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Between my...
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Eric 816 freelance work and Ross' newsletters, I ended up submitting a lot
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of stuff...
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Eric 816 to the (now-incorporated-in-8/16) "Sourceror's Apprentice", an
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assembly...
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Eric 816 language programming newsletter...
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Eric 816 I'm pleased to be the IIgs editor of 8/16 because I absoutely love
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to check...
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Eric 816 out new source code and programming tips. :) ...
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Eric 816 Enough about me. Ariel Publishing has been around for about four
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years (and...
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Eric 816 perhaps more; you'll have to ask Ross). We started publishing
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three Apple...
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Eric 816 newsletters: "Reboot", an Applesoft-BASIC programming newsletter,
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"ZNews", a...
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Eric 816 ZBASIC programming newsletter, and the above-mentioned
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"Sourceror's...
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Eric 816 Apprentice". When Call-APPLE ceased publication a few months ago
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(rest in...
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Eric 816 peace), we decided to incorporate the three newsletters into one:
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the new...
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Eric 816 magazine, 8/16. We're shooting for 40-50 pages of material each
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month, ...
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Eric 816 with every article including source code.
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Eric 816 I think that's about it. (ga)
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AFA Gary J Thank you. I might mention here that I just released in the
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Article's and
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AFA Gary J Transcripts section of our software library a file outlining
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"Writer's
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AFA Gary J Guidelines" for submission of articles to 8/16. I'm impressed by
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what you
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AFA Gary J are looking for in the way of articles, and it sounds like 8/16
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is going to
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AFA Gary J do a good job of filling the void left by Call A.P.P.L.E.
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Eric 816 Thanks Gary (and thanks for releasing the file).
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AFA Gary J Ok, I'd like to open the floor up to questions now. Let's use
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PROTOCOL,
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AFA Gary J which means if you have a question, type a "?" on a line by
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itself, or if
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AFA Gary J you have a comment on the current topic, type a "!" on a line by
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itself.
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AFA Gary J Questions, anyone?
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AFA Gary J I have one, while everyone is thinking. I understand that the
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first
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AFA Gary J issue is due out in March. Are you still on schedule to premier
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then?
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Eric 816 Gary - you bet! :) We're going to mail the first issue out
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around...
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Eric 816 the end of February.
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AFA Gary J Great! I guess I'd better get on the ball and get my order in
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:)
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AFA Gary J Ok, Frank. GA with your question.
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BostnFrank How much to subscribe, & where do we send the cash?
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Eric 816 Hi, Frank. Good questions. Subscription rates are as follows...
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Eric 816 $29.95 for one year of the magazine. $69.95 is for one year of the
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disk...
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Eric 816 and $99.90 is for one year of both. Send check/money order to Ross
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Lambert,...
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Eric 816 PO Box 398, Pateros, WA, 98846, or we can take email orders with a
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credit...
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Eric 816 card (send them to R.W.LAMBERT on GEnie or "Eric 816" here on
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AO)...
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Eric 816 Let me cover what the disk contains quickly...
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Eric 816 It will have all of the contents of that month's magazine, PLUS an
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addtional...
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Eric 816 300k or so of IIgs source code, and 300k or so of 8 bit source
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code...
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Eric 816 The magazine is a subset of the disk and many people have ordered
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just a disk
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Eric 816 subscription. (done)
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BostnFrank Disk are 5.25" or 3.5".
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Eric 816 3.5" disks. (Only way we can fit everything on! <grin>)
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BostnFrank Thanks. ga
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Eric 816 You bet. Thanks for asking.
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AFA Gary J Thank you Eric. It looks like our next question is from Coach.
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GA Coach.
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Coach101 How has the repsonse to 816 been (subscribers)?
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Eric 816 Coach - so far, from what I understand, pretty good. We
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automatically...
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Eric 816 converted all of the SApp, Reboot, and Znews subscribers over to
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8/16...
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Eric 816 You'll probably want to talk to Ross when he gets here, though; he
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handles...
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Eric 816 the subscriber base and can give you a more accurate answer.
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(done)
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Coach101 thanks, ga
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AFA Gary J I've been told that Ross is TRYING to be here. He's having
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AFA Gary J trouble getting online. :)
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Eric 816 Okay... :)
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AFA Gary J Ok, our next question is from Art. GA, Art.
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ArtR1 what do you mean by "gs source codes"?
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Eric 816 Art - in addition to the contents of the magazine being on the
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disk, we're...
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Eric 816 going to have other Apple IIgs-specific source code in a variety
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of languages
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Eric 816 (ORCA/Pascal, APW C, TML Basic, to name a few). (ga)
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AFA Gary J Did you have anything else to add, Art?
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AFA Gary J If not, we'll move on to Frank's question. GA, Frank.
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BostnFrank How about for Merlin fans?
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AFA Gary J Ooops. Eric's been bumped now :)
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AFL Marty sigh
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BostnFrank So, Gary, what else have you heard about 8/16?
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BostnFrank :)
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AFA Gary J Frank, from what I understand from the "Writer's Guideline"
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AFA Gary J information that Eric uploaded, Merlin 8, 16, and 16+ code is all
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being
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AFA Gary J requested.
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Eric 816 Sorry about that... the software just flaked out :(
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AFA Gary J Ah...here's Eric now :)
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BostnFrank neat!
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BostnFrank ga
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AFA Gary J Did you get that question, Eric?
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AFA Gary J (I think I answered it :)
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AFL Marty You mean your modem disconnected. :)
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Eric 816 Afraid not... could you repeat it? :)
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BostnFrank Asked about Merlin material.
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AFA Gary J Frank asked "How about Merlin fans?"
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Eric 816 HOW ABOUT THOSE MERLIN FANS, HUH? :) I love Merlin - and use it
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all the time...
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Eric 816 And 8/16 loves to publish Merlin source code.
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Eric 816 (ga)
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AFA Gary J Eric, perhaps you could take a moment to detail some of what you
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are looking
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AFA Gary J for in articles, and I think that'll give a pretty good picture
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of what
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AFA Gary J the magazine will be like.
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AFA Gary J GA
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Eric 816 Sure, Gary...
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Eric 816 We're looking for articles on 'tricky stuff'. Tricky stuff is a
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nice generic...
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Eric 816 title for several things: tricky stuff = new things with the
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latest system disk
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Eric 816 (for example, how to use the Resource Manager). Tricky stuff =
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things that
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Eric 816 just aren't explained very well in the current reference
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materials. Tricky
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Eric 816 stuff = something you spent a while figuring out and you think
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others could...
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Eric 816 learn from your experiences. Does that help? (ga)
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AFA Gary J Yes :)
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Eric 816 Let me mention one other thing... while Ross' old newsletters
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were...
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Eric 816 seperated by the types of languages they used, 8/16 likes all kind
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of stuff...
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Eric 816 in (as the title implies) in both 8 bit and 16 bit. We'll take
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articles for...
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Eric 816 the IIgs half in almost any of the popular IIgs
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languages/assemblers (the only
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Eric 816 exception is AC BASIC)... and for the 8 bit half, I believe we're
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accepting...
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Eric 816 things in ZBASIC, Micol Advanced Basic (8-bit) and (of course!)
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AppleSloth.
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AFA Gary J :)
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Eric 816 If you have an idea for an article...
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Eric 816 PLEASE don't hesitate to drop me or Jerry a line (depending on the
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number of...
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Eric 816 bits, 16 or 8) and let us know about it. (ga)
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AFA Gary J Thanks, Eric. I see Frank has another question. GA, Frank
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BostnFrank Do you cover the range from expert to unlearnt?
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Eric 816 Frank - we like for people to write their articles assuming that
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the...
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Eric 816 reader has a working knowlege of the language at hand (for
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example, if the...
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Eric 816 article was about Pascal, it would be assumed the read knew about
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WriteLn)...
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Eric 816 the one exception to this rule is C: since it's such a new languag
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for most...
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Eric 816 Apple II programmers, we welcome beginning articles covering the
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language...
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Eric 816 and would like to see them! :) ga
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BostnFrank Sounds rather well thought out. ga
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AFA Gary J Ok, Jeff has the next question. GA, Jeff
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AE Jeff Perhaps you could mention who some of the contributors are? And
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the subjects?
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AE Jeff ga
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AFA Gary J Good question :)
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Eric 816 Hi Jeff! (Have we met?) Sure, I'll talk a bit about
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contributors...
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Eric 816 Since we're just starting 8/16, we haven't got any "big names"
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writing for
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Eric 816 the _magazine_ yet. In The Sourceror's Apprentice, we had lots of
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great...
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Eric 816 folks writing neat articles for us, such as Steve Lepisto and
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Steve Stephenson
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Eric 816 (among others) and I expect they'll be writing for 8/16 as well.
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Even Glen...
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Eric 816 Bredon said he'd write something for us. We do have some...
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Eric 816 interesting deals 'in the works' but I can't really talk about
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them yet. ...
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Eric 816 But I can say that I expect we'll have exciting, cutting-edge
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articles in...
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Eric 816 future issues. (done)
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AFA Gary J Sounds good, Eric. Anything else, Jeff?
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AE Jeff What kind of subjects are coming up in the next issue? Or can you
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say? GA
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Eric 816 In the first issue, we're going to have a little bit about
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animation...and...
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Eric 816 probably a marvelous article about writing CDEVs (with a great
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example!)...
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Eric 816 I'm in the process right now of deciding what will be the IIgs
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Eric 816 first issue, so nothing is set in stone. Let me also mention that
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I am...
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Eric 816 talking about the IIgs half - I'm not sure what Jerry has planned
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Eric 816 8 bit half. He usually has some neat surprises on hand, though. :)
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(ga)
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AE Jeff I'm done.
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AFA Gary J Ok, Marty's up next. GA, Marty
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AFL Marty On what information systems do you maintain an account? What are
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your...
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AFL Marty screen names in case someone wants to contact you via EMail?
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Eric 816 :P
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Eric 816 I'm on AO as "A2Pro Eric" and on GEnie as "A2PRO.ERIC". (It's
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usually...
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Eric 816 faster to send me a note on GEnie, but I do check AO about once a
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week)....
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Eric 816 Jerry Kindall, the 8 bit editor, asks that you get in touch with
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him on...
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Eric 816 GEnie as "A2.JERRY". Ross doesn't have an AO account (yet?) but
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his GEnie...
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Eric 816 address is "R.W.LAMBERT". We also have a support area on GEnie in
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A2. (done)
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AFL Marty One more question...
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AFL Marty Have you considered doing a sort of sampler disk containing
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excerpts from...
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AFL Marty your magazine? It might be nice to have one available online.
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AFL Marty (A teaser or sorts)
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AFL Marty or = of
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Eric 816 Good idea, Marty! I don't know if Ross has considered it or not,
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but it...
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Eric 816 sounds like a great idea to me. I'll pass the suggestion along to
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him and...
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Eric 816 will be sure to upload it to ADV when we do it. (ga)
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AFL Marty (I'd love to see one done with HyperStudio :)
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AFL Marty done
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AFA Gary J Ok, Frank's question is up next. GA, Frank
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BostnFrank What's your policy on advertising in 8/16?
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Eric 816 Well...
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Eric 816 Our rates are considerably less than Nibble, if you're looking to
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reach...
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Eric 816 a market of programmers :)...
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Eric 816 We've got some specials going on right now, in addition, for the
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first...
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Eric 816 issue, which I'll go into if anyone is interested in details.
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There is one...
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Eric 816 important thing that I did want to mention about advertising
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(thanks for...
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Eric 816 reminding me)... if your company is looking for a programmer, we
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can...
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Eric 816 give you a free half-page "Programmer Wanted" ad. And we HIGHLY
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urge you...
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Eric 816 to take us up on the offer. The flip side of this coin is, if
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you're a...
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Eric 816 programmer, we have free "situation wanted" ads. I started a new
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folder in...
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Eric 816 the message area here on ADV (under "Miscellaneous Development
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Topics")...
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Eric 816 with more details. GA
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AFL FrankD Look who's back! :)
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BostnFrank Are you Ads on disk as well as in the hard copy? ga
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AFA Gary J Jerry made it back :) Hi Jerry.
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Eric 816 Frank - ads only in the magazine right now. I don't know if this
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Eric 816 change in the future. ga
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Eric 816 Hi Jerry!
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BostnFrank Hi, Jerry!
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AFL Marty Jerry who?
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A2 Jerry Hi yall...
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Tamira Hi Jerry
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AFL FrankD 8-bit Jerry. :)
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A2 Jerry Telenet is a wonderful animal.
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Eric 816 Hehe
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BostnFrank animal is the operative word.
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AFL Marty It's not the word I used :)
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BostnFrank :)
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AFA Gary J Jerry, could you give us some idea of what we might expect in the
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March
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AFA Gary J issue from the 8 bit side of 8/16?
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AFA Gary J (Eric's already told all his secrets :)
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A2 Jerry Well, we've got an interesting do-it-yourself hardware project
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involving...
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A2 Jerry biofeedback...
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Eric 816 (see what I meant about exciting surprises? <grin>)
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A2 Jerry An article from Ross on ZBasic programming...
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A2 Jerry A couple of articles by yours truly detailing a super-compact
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BASIC line
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A2 Jerry editor that fits into page 3 of RAM, ...
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A2 Jerry and a nifty way to write relocatable assembly code using BRK...
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A2 Jerry and probably a few other things.
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A2 Jerry GA
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AFA Gary J Thanks, Jerry. Did you want to comment, Frank?
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BostnFrank Apple II Biofeedback... brings new meaning to "user friendly!"
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BostnFrank ga
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AFA Gary J Ok, well our hour is up this evening, which brings the "official"
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AFA Gary J meeting to a close, but everyone is certainly welcome to stay
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AFA Gary J as long as they'd like afterward. I'd like to thank our guests
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for attending,
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AFA Gary J and I'm looking forward to seeing the fruits of their labors here
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in a month
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AFA Gary J or so! Thank you.
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Eric 816 Thanks a lot Gary!
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A2 Jerry Ouch! Is it only a month? Oh no.... B)
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Eric 816 And thanks everyone else for attending!
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AFA Gary J (PROTOCOL off)
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AFA Gary J :)
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AFA Gary J Yes, thank you for attending.
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AFL FrankD The magazine sounds like a real winner!
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Eric 816 Soooooo....... who's going to write articles for us? :)
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BostnFrank Jerry, Eric: Let's see, that'll be your April 1st issue, right?
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A2 Jerry Hmmm. I can think of several people in this room who could write
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A2 Jerry for us...
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A2 Jerry Especially on the 8-bit side. I'm a real advocate of 8-bit Apples
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and I'm
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A2 Jerry really looking forward to a GOOD exchange of NEW 8-bit info.
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Eric 816 I can see a few potential IIgs authors too... I urge _everyone_ to
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download...
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Eric 816 the Writer's Guidelines from the library.
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A2 Jerry Tom, yeah, that means I can actually get something out of the 16
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half!
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A2 Jerry In fact, I'm getting a IIgs in order to be able to use the 16-bit
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AFA Gary J Eric, are you (Ariel) offering any kind of trial subscription?
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Like buy the
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AFA Gary J first issue with the option of picking up the year's
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subscription?
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Eric 816 Gary - I believe we are but I'm afraid I don't have the details
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here. You...
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Eric 816 might want to give Ross a ring at (509) 923-2249.
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Eric 816 Jerry - :)
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AFA Gary J Ok, thanks.
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