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SUBJECT: MSG THREAD ON THE PHOENIX PROJECT FILE: UFO1542
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PART 1
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BBS: Flite-Line
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Date: 08-20-92 (13:25) Number: 5580
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From: PARANET INFORMATION SERVI Refer#: NONE
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To: ALL Recvd: NO
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Subj: Our Response to Phoenix P Conf: (46) UFO(Fido)
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* Forwarded from "ParaNet UFO Echo"
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* Originally from ParaNet Information Service
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* Originally dated 08-20-92 13:23
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On 6 August 1992, ParaNet Information Service posted a preliminary
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statement on our investigation into an organization known as the
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Phoenix Project, which had recently released "investigative reports"
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entitled "The Dulce Report", "The K-2 Report", and "The Ultimate
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Secret". In our statement we pointed out some apparent problems with
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all three Phoenix Project reports, as well as some suspicious aspects
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of the Project's organization itself. In our conclusion, we issued a
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warning not to take the Phoenix Project reports at face value, pending
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further investigation.
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On 10 August 1992, Jack Mathias of the Phoenix Project responded in a
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long, rambling message posted to a number of bulletin boards and news
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groups. Unfortunately, rather than dealing with the substantive issues
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raised in our previous postings regarding the project and its
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publications, Mr. Mathias's statement consisted mostly of ad-hominem
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attacks impugning the motives, integrity, and competence of ParaNet's
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officers and investigators. Here is some typical language excerpted
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from the Phoenix Project statement:
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" ... you blew it ..."
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" ... a snap judgement without examining the evidence ..."
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" ... your spontaneous and instant negative reaction ..."
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" ... your attitude problem ..."
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" ... you abused your position of trust and responsibility ..."
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" ... inexcusable ... a new record for prejudice ..."
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" ... you've just won the Golden Fleece Award ..."
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" ... outstanding ineptness ..."
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" ... amateur sleuthing ..."
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" ... self-centered ..."
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" ... lacking any real expertise ..."
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" ... seated upon your starry throne ..."
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" ... elected yourself to be the final arbiter of the truth ..."
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" ... Judge, Jury, and Executioner ..."
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" ... Kangaroo Court Proceeding of your own fashioning ..."
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" ... arm-chair expertise ..."
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" ... laughable ..."
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Following paragraph after paragraph of this kind of personal invective,
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Mr. Mathias then suggests that:
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PP> In our opinion, the public deserves the truth regarding the real
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PP> story of UFO's, government involvement and the Alien threat. That
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PP> should be our objective. ... Perhaps you'll agree that, that
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PP> objective is more productive than entertaining the public via the
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PP> BBS links with a side-show of petty squabbles and bickering
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PP> between individuals and organizations.
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This is a noble sentiment, and one which we at ParaNet wholeheartedly
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agree with. Hopefully in the future the Phoenix Project's
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representatives will take some of their own advice and try to keep the
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rhetoric down to a more civilized level.
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Having said that, let's look at the actual issues raised by this latest
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salvo from the Phoenix Project, and see how they stack up.
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PP> Let us review the facts. You reacted by issuing a public warning
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PP> to the members of ParaNet, which was also widely distributed via
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PP> other BBS's nation-wide. That warning contained language which
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PP> implied the information, and the source, were highly suspect.
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PP> Thus, single-handedly, you created a strong impression throughout
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PP> the UFO community, that our information was false. Many sincere
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PP> people, trusting your qualifications, accepted your warning.
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True.
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PP> You took it upon yourself to make a snap judgement
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PP> without examining the evidence.
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False. We did not arrive at our conclusion single-handedly or
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instantaneously. Our analysis and the resulting warning were the
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products of considerable discussion among ParaNet's researchers and
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subscribers. They were also labeled as tentative, pending further
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investigation.
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PP> In your message, you mention that you wrote to the Phoenix Project,
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PP> after the fact and your preliminary judgement, requesting further
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PP> information. You made the same comment in other BBS messages. You
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PP> state that we did not respond to your request. You also imply, by
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PP> insinuation, that this is a mark against us and a further
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PP> indication that we are suspect. ... To date we have
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PP> not received your letter of inquiry. Apparently, of all the mail
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PP> we receive, your letter is the only one that has gone astray. We
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PP> can only conclude that is was either lost in the mail or you didn't
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PP> mail it. Did it ever occur to you to mail us a second request,
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PP> when you did not receive a response to your first inquiry?
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The letter was followed up with electronic mail to the Project's
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spokesman, Jack Mathias. The request for information was repeated
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through that channel. The request was refused.
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PP> But, this was not the end of your attitude problem regarding the
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PP> Phoenix Project. You did the same thing, again, issuing warnings,
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PP> etc., with our release of the K-2 and the Ultimate Secret Reports.
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PP> And, again, you had not seen or examined the supporting documents
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PP> at the time you issued those warnings to ParaNet and the public.
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We have already stated our reasons for suspecting the "K-2" and
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"Ultimate Secret" reports. As with the "Dulce" report, our suspicions
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went to the core of the entire concept and execution of both reports;
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consequently, it seemed unlikely that the "supporting documents" would
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make much difference. Our judgement in this matter was borne out when
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we received the "supporting documents" from another source. We were
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not impressed.
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PP> Would we be out of line in concluding that your mind was
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PP> already made-up?
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Yes, that would be out of line, since our minds were not and in fact
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are not yet entirely made up. Our warnings were tentative, and in our
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view totally justified. So far we have not been provided with any
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evidence to the contrary. If such evidence is provided, we will not
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only change our minds but say so publicly.
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PP> Fortunately, for the UFO Movement, other
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PP> investigators and researchers don't share your opinion.
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That's not the feedback we've been getting.
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PP> You state in your initial message that "much of the information in
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PP> the Dulce Report about Dulce and the Archuleta Mesa contradicts
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PP> information already provided to ParaNet by other capable
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PP> investigators." What information? Who provided it? How did you
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PP> determine its validity?
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Our information consists of the testimony of ParaNet investigators and
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others who have been in Dulce and on the Mesa. Their experiences were
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very different from what you describe, and it is difficult to reconcile
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your claims with the findings of our own people.
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PP> We formally request access to that
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PP> information. We'd like to examine it ourselves. Can we obtain
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PP> copies of "that" information?
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Our investigation continues, and the information will be made public
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when it is complete At that time we will be glad to provide you with a
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complimentary copy of our report.
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PP> Now, let us get to the main thrust of your message - your
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PP> investigation to reveal the personnel of the Phoenix Project.
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PP>
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PP> [several paragraphs of meaningless abuse deleted]
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* THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo *
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