636 lines
40 KiB
Plaintext
636 lines
40 KiB
Plaintext
|
|
|||
|
|
1 If you are in need of help, you need but ask....
|
|||
|
|
2 ************************ INSTALLED: 10 NOV 85 **********************
|
|||
|
|
3 Welcome to BWMS (BackWater Message System) Mike Day System operator
|
|||
|
|
4 ************************************************************
|
|||
|
|
5 GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION
|
|||
|
|
6 PLACED ON THIS SYSTEM.
|
|||
|
|
7 BWMS was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS is a privately owned
|
|||
|
|
8 and operated system which is currently open for use by the general public.
|
|||
|
|
9 no restrictions are placed on the use of the system. As the system is
|
|||
|
|
10 privately owned, I retain thepright to remove any and all messages which
|
|||
|
|
11 I may find offensive. Because of the limited size of the system, it will be
|
|||
|
|
12 periodically purged of messages. (only 629 lines of data can be saved)
|
|||
|
|
13 to leave a message, type 'ENTER' and use ctrl/C or break to get out of the
|
|||
|
|
14 ENTER mode. The message is automatically stored. If after entering the
|
|||
|
|
15 message you find you made a mistake, use the replace command to replace
|
|||
|
|
16 The line. To exit from the system, type 'OFF' then hang up.
|
|||
|
|
17 Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system.
|
|||
|
|
18 *************************************************************************
|
|||
|
|
19
|
|||
|
|
20 Garsh! The top! I always wanted to be at the top of a new disk. Golly gee.
|
|||
|
|
21 **************************************
|
|||
|
|
22 **************************************
|
|||
|
|
23
|
|||
|
|
24 Mojo slowly turned to see it was
|
|||
|
|
25 that was making such a horrible sound.
|
|||
|
|
26 All Mojo could make out in the dim
|
|||
|
|
27 light was a vague shadow of what
|
|||
|
|
28 appeared to be an enormous creature.
|
|||
|
|
29 Ignoring his fear (and his instincts)
|
|||
|
|
30 , Mojo stepped toward the creature.
|
|||
|
|
31 Then suddenly, with a thunderous
|
|||
|
|
32 crash and a brilliant flash, the thing
|
|||
|
|
33 disappeared.
|
|||
|
|
34
|
|||
|
|
35 Mojo froze in his tracks, his
|
|||
|
|
36 mind blank. Suddenly an astonishing
|
|||
|
|
37 thought permeated his conciousness.
|
|||
|
|
38
|
|||
|
|
39 **************************************
|
|||
|
|
40 **************************************
|
|||
|
|
41
|
|||
|
|
42
|
|||
|
|
43 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
|
|||
|
|
44 ========================THE COUSIN====
|
|||
|
|
45 RIVERRAT (CONTS)
|
|||
|
|
46
|
|||
|
|
47 Thereafter, both of them seemdt r
|
|||
|
|
48 about their sails. One or the othe ol
|
|||
|
|
49 sailmakers shop to order work at latoc
|
|||
|
|
50 became good friends, and the sailmkrwu
|
|||
|
|
51 LaBones and tommaso for a flagon o ieo
|
|||
|
|
52 lmaker house. The delicate-lookinglwsu
|
|||
|
|
53 present, but he said very little.
|
|||
|
|
54 At last came the first day of spigad
|
|||
|
|
55 to celebrate the comming of warm wahr
|
|||
|
|
56 arranged to meet the sailmaker andteyu
|
|||
|
|
57 When the celebrating ended LaBnscn
|
|||
|
|
58 unger and persuaded them all to reunt
|
|||
|
|
59 hearty supper. Upon their arrival,te o
|
|||
|
|
60 eck adjoining LaBones rooms. Therewswn
|
|||
|
|
61 was in evidence.
|
|||
|
|
62 La Bones landlord came runnin.srT
|
|||
|
|
63 gone off to the festival and haventrtr
|
|||
|
|
64 La Bones seemed to go into a rg.
|
|||
|
|
65 "And where are the roast capons?"
|
|||
|
|
66 The landlord turned pale."The i o
|
|||
|
|
67 e some good fat ones, and I'll sette o
|
|||
|
|
68 LaBones went stomping about th ek"
|
|||
|
|
69 tard sauce I wanted from the old mre?A
|
|||
|
|
70 nges I told them to buy? does no oehe
|
|||
|
|
71 The sailmaker hastiley voluntee o
|
|||
|
|
72 sauce and tommaso offered to go toteso
|
|||
|
|
73 sold. It was all done so quicily, n aB
|
|||
|
|
74 loud, that the room was cleared inmnt.
|
|||
|
|
75 LaBones, suddenly calm, went oe ow
|
|||
|
|
76 shrunk against the wall, and he toktes
|
|||
|
|
77 ve him a passionate kiss."I have ne fe
|
|||
|
|
78 difficult point of law,"he said."Yums
|
|||
|
|
79 we'll discuss it." The other neite pk
|
|||
|
|
80 as the door closed behine them.
|
|||
|
|
81
|
|||
|
|
82 =================THE REST OF THE SOYNX
|
|||
|
|
83 TOM
|
|||
|
|
84 S
|
|||
|
|
85 [[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[
|
|||
|
|
86 Okay, I'm asked to back up my words. Just digging around for a few quotes on the AIDS question... but first, let me
|
|||
|
|
87 remind you something. You speak of a God who is so mean he would let people die. Isn't that just cruel? Well, your minds
|
|||
|
|
88 have to *expand* a little. Think! Death doesn't mean anything to God! Just to you! Why should he care if you're in a
|
|||
|
|
89 bodily state or a spiritual state? He used people's deaths constantly as a source of warning to others. How about all
|
|||
|
|
90 the firstborn in Egypt? Lots of lots of BABIES killed, as a very strong message? Hey I can't put myself in a position to
|
|||
|
|
91 condemn him for that. How can we say He would be too cruel? Death is just a transition to him, like childhood to adult-
|
|||
|
|
92 hood.
|
|||
|
|
93
|
|||
|
|
94 Also, naturally this question about God at least *allowing* this disease to come forth is limited to those who believe
|
|||
|
|
95 in Him in the first place. Which may be few noways I admit (we've become so modern dontcha know), and old-fashioned. But
|
|||
|
|
96 I guess we'll all find out sooner or later. The lucky ones will know sooner...
|
|||
|
|
97
|
|||
|
|
98 Anyway, how 'bout some of God's (or Jesus') feelings on the entire morality of the '80s question:
|
|||
|
|
99 "Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultry, and he who marries a woman divorced from her
|
|||
|
|
100 husband commits adultry."
|
|||
|
|
101
|
|||
|
|
102 "...And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off; it is better for you to go through life maimed than with two hands
|
|||
|
|
103 go to hell."
|
|||
|
|
104
|
|||
|
|
105 "As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be in the days of the son of man (the end days). They ate, they drank, they
|
|||
|
|
106 married... until the day when Noah entered the ark and the flood *killed* them all... whoever seeks to gain his life
|
|||
|
|
107 will lose it. But whoever loses his life will preserve it."
|
|||
|
|
108
|
|||
|
|
109 And think about this one:
|
|||
|
|
110 "...But I have this against you, that you tolerate the woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophet and is teaching and
|
|||
|
|
111 and beguiling her servents to practice immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols. I gave her time to repent, but
|
|||
|
|
112 she refuses to repent of her immorality. Behold, *I will throw her on a sickbed, and those who commit adultry with her
|
|||
|
|
113 I will throw into great tribulation*, unless they repent of their doings; and I will strike her children dead."
|
|||
|
|
114
|
|||
|
|
115 Oh, well that's enough of that. My point is... it's very very possible. Why not? Why do we ignore it? Human nature I
|
|||
|
|
116 guess, they did in Gomorrah, and in Noah's time, and we do it know. I can't obviously profess to know for a fact that
|
|||
|
|
117 it's Gods punishment on the world. But for those who believe in God, take a second and think... isn't it possible?
|
|||
|
|
118
|
|||
|
|
119 After this, I'd love to take on you poor, near-sighted people, like Pen-Name, who are so taken up in the world that
|
|||
|
|
120 they can't see the truth sitting right in front of their noses...
|
|||
|
|
121
|
|||
|
|
122 ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] ANDY ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]
|
|||
|
|
123
|
|||
|
|
124 |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
|||
|
|
125 Andy: YOU want to talk truth?? Okay, buddy-boy, we'll talk some truth.
|
|||
|
|
126
|
|||
|
|
127 In the continuing days of "cristianity", we see some ludicrous, if not
|
|||
|
|
128 sickening, statements and actions of hipocracy.
|
|||
|
|
129 Take the mormons. The latter day saints. A religion founded mainly
|
|||
|
|
130 on the position and stature of it's members in society. And I'm not
|
|||
|
|
131 talking about ethical or moral standings, I'm talking about financial
|
|||
|
|
132 standings, power standings, standing that, set forth in the bible they
|
|||
|
|
133 follow, are abbhored.
|
|||
|
|
134 But that's not the worst of it.
|
|||
|
|
135 Once into this tight circle of switchbacks, they rufuse then to be
|
|||
|
|
136 counted amoung the rest of society. Theirs' is a tight circle indeed.
|
|||
|
|
137 The values shown in that circle, even though (and maybe especially
|
|||
|
|
138 since) they practice much the same as the more established religions,
|
|||
|
|
139 they hold their order to be more of a social club.
|
|||
|
|
140 But wait, it gets worse, and worse.
|
|||
|
|
141 This same bible is racist and malicious. This same bible teaches that
|
|||
|
|
142 people, who's only "sin" is to be of another skin hue, are to be feared,
|
|||
|
|
143 hated, and worst of all, refuted. Without exception.
|
|||
|
|
144
|
|||
|
|
145 I won't tell you what your truth should be. And in the same breath,
|
|||
|
|
146 I'll tell you that you CAN'T dictate mine. Everyone to their own
|
|||
|
|
147 beliefs. None good, none bad. None right, none wrong.
|
|||
|
|
148 Only different.
|
|||
|
|
149 PEN NAME
|
|||
|
|
150 |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
|||
|
|
151 (^)(^)(^)(^)(^)(^)(^)(^)(^)(^)(^)(^)(^)(^)(^)(^)(^)(^)(^)(^)(^)(^)(^)(^)(^)(^)
|
|||
|
|
152 PEN NAME:
|
|||
|
|
153
|
|||
|
|
154 A few comments on your above speech.
|
|||
|
|
155
|
|||
|
|
156 First of all, about looking at christianity through the Church of Latter Day
|
|||
|
|
157 Saints. The mormon religion is not one founded on christian beliefs.
|
|||
|
|
158 Christians believe in accepting Christ as their personal saviour - a one on one
|
|||
|
|
159 relationship. They believe in doing this through Jesus, the Son of God. The
|
|||
|
|
160 mormons do not believe in this same relationship. Also, their 'bible' you
|
|||
|
|
161 refer to is not the christian Bible. Oh, it certainly CONTAINS the christian
|
|||
|
|
162 Bible, but there are whole BOOKS that they add to it. The new book this
|
|||
|
|
163 results in is called the Book of Mormon. This is not compatible for comparison
|
|||
|
|
164 with the christian Bible.
|
|||
|
|
165
|
|||
|
|
166 "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this
|
|||
|
|
167 book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues
|
|||
|
|
168 that are written in this book:
|
|||
|
|
169
|
|||
|
|
170 "And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy,
|
|||
|
|
171 God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city,
|
|||
|
|
172 and from the things which are written in this book."
|
|||
|
|
173
|
|||
|
|
174 Also, about God being cruel to let people die. At one time man had the
|
|||
|
|
175 opportunity to live forever in harmony with God; but he blew it. If God
|
|||
|
|
176 wanted, he could keep us from living at all. Remember, it's MAN'S sin that
|
|||
|
|
177 brought about death, not God's.
|
|||
|
|
178
|
|||
|
|
179 An observer
|
|||
|
|
180 (^)(^)(^)(^)(^)(^)(^)(^)(^)(^)(^)(^)(^)(^)(^)(^)(^)(^)(^)(^)(^)(^)(^)(^)(^)(^)
|
|||
|
|
181 (It sure seems interesting to me that such passions are aroused by those who don't
|
|||
|
|
182 believe in God when His name his mentioned. Something like the closer to the truth...
|
|||
|
|
183 the more it hurts?
|
|||
|
|
184 Also, Pen Name, there IS a right and wrong. There has to be. Your belief is that
|
|||
|
|
185 there is no God. You're either right or you're wrong. You'll find out when it's too
|
|||
|
|
186 late to change your mind. But your near-sightedness is blatantly displayed when you
|
|||
|
|
187 criticize all belief in God and Christianity through one false religion.
|
|||
|
|
188
|
|||
|
|
189 My neighbor is a thief, therefore my whole neighborhood is full of thieves!
|
|||
|
|
190
|
|||
|
|
191 And of course you cannot see, that since there is good and evil, God and Satan, the
|
|||
|
|
192 latter naturally tries to cover up the truth by letting all sorts of other religions
|
|||
|
|
193 come about which distort the one true faith and allow people like you to say they
|
|||
|
|
194 must all be false since *that* one surely is.
|
|||
|
|
195
|
|||
|
|
196 <`><`><`><`><`><`><`><`><`><`><`><`><`><`><`><`><`><`><`><`><`><`><`><`><`><`><`><`>
|
|||
|
|
197
|
|||
|
|
198 """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
|
|||
|
|
199 It's also interesting how pasionately YOU respond when YOUR beliefs are
|
|||
|
|
200 questioned. I see no real insights there other then the normal response
|
|||
|
|
201 anyone gives when the basis of his or her belief is questioned by another.
|
|||
|
|
202 It is a perfectly normal response and has nothing to do with the truth or
|
|||
|
|
203 non truth of either party's belief structure. It is simply the passionate
|
|||
|
|
204 response to the need to maintain that belief when it is questioned.
|
|||
|
|
205 h""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
|
|||
|
|
206
|
|||
|
|
207 "When in danger, or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout."
|
|||
|
|
208
|
|||
|
|
209 Is that what you say I am doing fred? Running in circles? Screaming abnd shouting? Is that what you call
|
|||
|
|
210 someone who is simply trying to spread the word about a danger we must all concern ourselves with? I was alarmed by
|
|||
|
|
211 the apparent head-in-sand attitude that some people were displaying here. I am glad to see that is not the prevalent
|
|||
|
|
212 attitude. You yourself entered a very thoughtful message on the subject. While the message was far longer and more in
|
|||
|
|
213 depth than my initial messages, no one accused you of screaming and shouting. Please don't use that tone with me.
|
|||
|
|
214 Pen Name, while I can't agree with your stands on religion, I have no quarrel with that. It was the same
|
|||
|
|
215 attitude I speak of above that I saw in your words that concerned me. Apparently there are very definite opinions on
|
|||
|
|
216 the subject, which is good. It shows me that people are thinking about issues that concern us all. I just cringe when
|
|||
|
|
217 I hear people say 'Wait and it will go away.' Truce is fine, but I hardly think one is needed. Debates, as always,
|
|||
|
|
218 raise the temperature of Backwater, but the seldom transcend (they seldom) electronic and
|
|||
|
|
219 phosphorus world.
|
|||
|
|
220
|
|||
|
|
221 The religious debate has arisen again. Isn't it interesting how everything always returns to religion? Consider
|
|||
|
|
222 this small model of the universe:
|
|||
|
|
223 At the lowest level of the model there is sentient life. Simple single-celled life forms that do exist and do
|
|||
|
|
224 propogate and do strive for survival. They are the base. Anything above this level is nearly uncomprehensible to those
|
|||
|
|
225 at that level. Sounds simple enough? Then comes the second level. Add to sentient life mobility. Locomotion, migration,
|
|||
|
|
226 movement. Most all animals are at this level. To level one creatures these creatures with mobility might seem like
|
|||
|
|
227 gods, if the level one creatures could consider such a concept. And now level three. We add Reason to the model.
|
|||
|
|
228 The ability to reason seperates Man from the lower animals. Men rule beasts because of reason. To these beasts, Man
|
|||
|
|
229 must appear god-like. Level four encompasses all the lower levels. It adds Eternal living to Reason, Mobility, and
|
|||
|
|
230 Sentient behaviour. Eternal living is the ability to live in the past, the present, and the future. You may scoff at
|
|||
|
|
231 this, but who are we to say that this level does not exist as certainly as any of the lower levels refuse to
|
|||
|
|
232 acknowledge or understand the higher levels? I do not submit this as the ultimate truth, but I do submit this as a
|
|||
|
|
233 model to expand our own views by. If anything is can be a tool used to try and understand that there are concepts in
|
|||
|
|
234 the universe that we do not understand, but that certainly does not mean the concepts do not exist as concrete fact.
|
|||
|
|
235 (That should be anything it not anything is)
|
|||
|
|
236 French Toast
|
|||
|
|
237 __________________________________________________________________________
|
|||
|
|
238
|
|||
|
|
239 Honi soit qui mal pense - Evil be to him who thinks evil.
|
|||
|
|
240 Do not forget the words of Erasmus and the Enchiridion...
|
|||
|
|
241 __________________________________________________________________
|
|||
|
|
242 French Toast, you have some real good points there. It also brings to mind one of the basics of the religious question:
|
|||
|
|
243 creationism vs. evolution.
|
|||
|
|
244 I present thus: to believe that evolution is the cause of our present condition is absolutely ludicrous.
|
|||
|
|
245 Imagine, the idea of a glob of goo, or gasses, or whatever starting to form and take shape... and suddenly! A cell!
|
|||
|
|
246 Now we all know cells are simple to make, so no problem for some gasses to get together and make one simple cell right?
|
|||
|
|
247
|
|||
|
|
248 Well, there's one thing wrong. Cells are far from simple. In fact, they're some of the most complex things in the
|
|||
|
|
249 universe.
|
|||
|
|
250
|
|||
|
|
251 But, for arguments sake, let's assume the some cell somehow got formed from the masses and sat around waiting to meet
|
|||
|
|
252 another cell similarly created by accident. Being lonely, they get together and decide to mate. This being fun, they
|
|||
|
|
253 keep at it until they form a fish.
|
|||
|
|
254
|
|||
|
|
255 The fish gets tired of being in the water, so he crawls on land and becomes a dinosaur. Naturally this is all silly, but
|
|||
|
|
256 let's find an easy way to explain it. Hmmmm... I know! Let's say it took place over a jillion years! Yes that's it.
|
|||
|
|
257 Heck, if we let this rock sit here long enough chances are it will turn into something!
|
|||
|
|
258
|
|||
|
|
259 It's amazing how easily humans are convinced of something through repetition. We have learned about evolution, so it
|
|||
|
|
260 must be true. Scientists say it's so, after all.
|
|||
|
|
261
|
|||
|
|
262 But look at the facts. Something had to start it. And even zillions of years cannot create sophistication in nature
|
|||
|
|
263 enough to produce an animal-type organism. Look at your eyeball. A miracle of modern creation. Think all those nerve
|
|||
|
|
264 endings and dazzling designs could have happened by accident? Look how complex your skin is, your hair even. What,
|
|||
|
|
265 nature's animals kept getting kicked in the guts and killed off, so she decided to make rib cages to protect all the
|
|||
|
|
266 vital organs? C'MON!
|
|||
|
|
267
|
|||
|
|
268 Give me one good argument for evolution. Find me the missing link (ever wonder why that's the ONLY one that's missing?)
|
|||
|
|
269 or prove that two zillion years can create a single cell.
|
|||
|
|
270
|
|||
|
|
271 It's impossible. So, something had to create us. And, like French Toast said above, why should us humans feel like we
|
|||
|
|
272 have the last rights to being "higher up?"
|
|||
|
|
273
|
|||
|
|
274 Ah, it always does come back to religion, because that is what the basis of all life is! What's more important than
|
|||
|
|
275 where we'll end up spending our eternal life? Surely not next month's bill or last night's great sex?
|
|||
|
|
276
|
|||
|
|
277 A blink of an eye in the total look of time, and we can't stop and think about what we're going to be looking at after
|
|||
|
|
278 the eye is done blinking.
|
|||
|
|
279
|
|||
|
|
280 Anyway, c'mon Pen Name. Tell me how we evolved, and make sense. Quadrillions of years aren't the answer either.
|
|||
|
|
281
|
|||
|
|
282 ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] ANDY ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]
|
|||
|
|
283 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
|
|||
|
|
284 Andy: I usually stay out of these arguments, but this time, I think I'll add
|
|||
|
|
285 my thoughts to the confusion. First of all, if you believe in the all
|
|||
|
|
286 powerful God, how can you say that evolution is impossible? I realise
|
|||
|
|
287 that "God" and "Evolution" are blaspheme in the same sentence to some,
|
|||
|
|
288 but think about this: the stories in the Bible tell us that through
|
|||
|
|
289 God, *anything* and *everything* is possible. For example, Christ turned
|
|||
|
|
290 water into wine at a wedding; the whole world was flooded with water in
|
|||
|
|
291 forty days; Lazaras arose from the dead; Moses parted the sea; and the
|
|||
|
|
292 biggy for us Christians, Christ arose, as it was foretold, after being
|
|||
|
|
293 creully beaten, tortured and crucified. He arose three days after being
|
|||
|
|
294 placed and sealed in a tomb donated by another believer. These are hard
|
|||
|
|
295 to believe, it is true, but your Bible tells us all about them. They were
|
|||
|
|
296 not impossible for our God.
|
|||
|
|
297 With such a record of *impossible* feats, don't you think that evolution
|
|||
|
|
298 might just have a chance of happening? You must remember that the Bible is
|
|||
|
|
299 MAN's *interpretation* of God's word. Man interprets everything that he sees
|
|||
|
|
300 and hears, so that he can understand the world around him; then he writes it
|
|||
|
|
301 all down, with whatever emotional prejudice he might have attached unknowingly.
|
|||
|
|
302 Just because the Bible *says* that the world was created in six *days*, how do
|
|||
|
|
303 we know that? Man wasn't created until the last day, so who told us how long
|
|||
|
|
304 it took, and how sure can we be of the actual measurement of time? (By the
|
|||
|
|
305 way, who wrote Genenis? I can't remember.) Could it be possible that the
|
|||
|
|
306 author took a little literary license and added a little more mystery to the
|
|||
|
|
307 story than was really there? How long was the story told from generation to
|
|||
|
|
308 generation before it was written down?
|
|||
|
|
309 As you may have guessed, I tend to believe that God created the Heavens
|
|||
|
|
310 and the Earth, but not quite in the time scale suggested. As with all works
|
|||
|
|
311 of Man, I take the Bible with a few grains of salt. Yes, there is much truth
|
|||
|
|
312 to be found, but a lot, like any good painting, script, etc., is left up to
|
|||
|
|
313 interpretation. I beleive in evolution, with God's guidence to get us over
|
|||
|
|
314 the hard spots, like collecting the correct chemicals together for the cells,
|
|||
|
|
315 and God's guidence to show those cells the thrill of reproduction. I agree
|
|||
|
|
316 with you that with out God, Man could never have happened. But the theory of
|
|||
|
|
317 evolution doesn't at all exclude God. By your own arguments (which are rather
|
|||
|
|
318 week and unsubstanciated) evolution needed help, and I think that God gave it
|
|||
|
|
319 the little extra umph, not to mention the original big bang to get things
|
|||
|
|
320 rolling.
|
|||
|
|
321 Anyway, so much for my off the cuff rambling. If you disagree with me,
|
|||
|
|
322 do me the curtesy of answering one question: how can you prove to me,
|
|||
|
|
323 knowing my beliefs, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that evolution is strictly
|
|||
|
|
324 impossible? In the process, take my lead, and do not call me names for not
|
|||
|
|
325 believing in your gospel, nor impose your truth upon mine...
|
|||
|
|
326 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>...!nelsons<><>
|
|||
|
|
327
|
|||
|
|
328 ch beleive/believe week/weak
|
|||
|
|
329 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ...etc <><>
|
|||
|
|
330 <<:**********************************************************:>>
|
|||
|
|
331
|
|||
|
|
332 Monsieur D'Autun - Don't think that just because you're named
|
|||
|
|
333 after a treacherous seventeenth century French diplomat you can
|
|||
|
|
334 spread lies about me.
|
|||
|
|
335
|
|||
|
|
336 Spreading that ridiculous story about some looney mental health
|
|||
|
|
337 professional is an outrage! It's just like you and McKane to
|
|||
|
|
338 fabricate some innane story then fool people into believing it.
|
|||
|
|
339
|
|||
|
|
340 I think you ought to be kicked off the system for this.
|
|||
|
|
341
|
|||
|
|
342 John Silverman - Don't believe the Frenchman. Ask Mohammed. Ask
|
|||
|
|
343 anyone. They'll tell you that he and McKane are scum.
|
|||
|
|
344
|
|||
|
|
345 OK now...lets get things straightened out.
|
|||
|
|
346
|
|||
|
|
347 I am not the pervert that they say. My thinking is merely ahead
|
|||
|
|
348 of its time. A hundred years ago masturbation was treated wit
|
|||
|
|
349 the same repulsion that being sexually involved with children
|
|||
|
|
350 does today.
|
|||
|
|
351
|
|||
|
|
352 Times changed. People became more enlightened. Masturbation
|
|||
|
|
353 became so acceptable that even teachers and the clergy now say
|
|||
|
|
354 it's OK.
|
|||
|
|
355
|
|||
|
|
356 The next step in this liberalization process will be the
|
|||
|
|
357 acceptance of adult/child love. The taboo against it is an
|
|||
|
|
358 anachronism from a sexually repressive christian heritage.
|
|||
|
|
359
|
|||
|
|
360 It is a taboo that is beginning to attract public discussion.
|
|||
|
|
361 Discussion is the first step to change. Within ten years the
|
|||
|
|
362 acceptance of my "perversion" will be as accepted as
|
|||
|
|
363 masturbation is today.
|
|||
|
|
364
|
|||
|
|
365 Someday even the dimmer wits at Backwater will come to
|
|||
|
|
366 appreciate this.
|
|||
|
|
367
|
|||
|
|
368 FYI - I was impressed that you were such an expert on me. Too
|
|||
|
|
369 bad you got it all wrong.
|
|||
|
|
370
|
|||
|
|
371 I don't upload to Backwater. I've never been able to get Vidtex
|
|||
|
|
372 to do that. I do my major rough draft on a wordprocessor and
|
|||
|
|
373 polish my final work as I enter it. I hate Enter On
|
|||
|
|
374 doesn't allow for finishing touches.
|
|||
|
|
375
|
|||
|
|
376 Since when has electro shock ever been used on neurotics? I
|
|||
|
|
377 know it's used for severe depression. I've never heard of it
|
|||
|
|
378 being used to modify sexual preference. Where did you get your
|
|||
|
|
379 information?
|
|||
|
|
380
|
|||
|
|
381 If you're going to play the authority you better stand by your
|
|||
|
|
382 statements.
|
|||
|
|
383
|
|||
|
|
384 To Everybody - I know you folks don't like me much but I'd like
|
|||
|
|
385 to try to appeal to your sense of justice.
|
|||
|
|
386
|
|||
|
|
387 There aren't very many rules on Backwater but I think it's
|
|||
|
|
388 important that the ones we have be enforced. I think we
|
|||
|
|
389 agree that no one has the right to do anything to destroy
|
|||
|
|
390 someone elses character.
|
|||
|
|
391
|
|||
|
|
392 Monsieur D'Autun has written lies about me that
|
|||
|
|
393 discredits anything I might say. I think you guys ought to set
|
|||
|
|
394 him straight.
|
|||
|
|
395
|
|||
|
|
396 Frank
|
|||
|
|
397
|
|||
|
|
398 $#$#$#$#$#$#$##$###$#$#$$#$#$#$#$#$#$#$#$#$#$#$#$#$#$#$#$#$#$#$#$#$#$#$#$
|
|||
|
|
399
|
|||
|
|
400 Hmmm...looks like the Grand Dragon Master is playing it to the insiders.
|
|||
|
|
401
|
|||
|
|
402 \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
|
|||
|
|
403 ppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
|
|||
|
|
404 Took a long time for the wheel to turn to this point again! It looks like
|
|||
|
|
405 the religious debates have begun once more. Choose your side! Sharpen your
|
|||
|
|
406 wits! Heeyah! Take that you infedel scum! Death to the unbeleivers!
|
|||
|
|
407 I'm here to save your soul if it kills you!
|
|||
|
|
408 --sigh....
|
|||
|
|
409 ppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
|
|||
|
|
410 Andy: I hate to burst your bubble, but getting those chemicals to start sticking
|
|||
|
|
411 together in the right way is not difficult under the conditions the earth was
|
|||
|
|
412 experiencing at the time. This has been demonstrated. Also, evolution is a
|
|||
|
|
413 fact. It has been seen time and time again, and does not always require
|
|||
|
|
414 millions of years. The instance that comes immediately to mind is the
|
|||
|
|
415 Galapagos Islands.
|
|||
|
|
416
|
|||
|
|
417 |:-)(-:|:-)(-:|:-)(-:|:-)(-:|:-)(-:|:-)(-:|:-)(-:|:-)(-:|:-)(-:|:-)(-:|
|
|||
|
|
418
|
|||
|
|
|:-)(-:|:-)(-:|:-)(-:|:-)(-:|:-)(-:|:-)(-:|:-)(-:|:-)(-:|:-)(-:|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
419
|
|||
|
|
420 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
|
|||
|
|
421 Well, I see that the debate has moved on to religion, not surprising, since
|
|||
|
|
422 that it a component of the AIDS scare, so I'll move aside since I'm not one
|
|||
|
|
423 to debate such issues. Every man to his own poison I always say..
|
|||
|
|
424 But One note to French Toast, yes, you were echoing the very hysterics about
|
|||
|
|
425 AIDS that the popular media has been spewing forth. All emotional hype, and
|
|||
|
|
426 no informational material to provide a base behind the statements given.
|
|||
|
|
427 When I am interested in a subject, I research it a bit before echoing the
|
|||
|
|
428 pronouncments of others. And when those pronouncments are "We're all gonna
|
|||
|
|
429 die because you all have your heads in the sand" I tend to be a bit suspect.
|
|||
|
|
430 That is the standard hysterical reaction to an unknown situation. Thus it
|
|||
|
|
431 becomes even more important to study the situation to find out what really
|
|||
|
|
432 is going on. So, in short, if the shoe fits, wear it.
|
|||
|
|
433 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ fred +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
|
|||
|
|
434 **************************************************************************
|
|||
|
|
435 Piper: it's great to see you my friend. Ill try my best to stay out of
|
|||
|
|
436 this mess and start writing stories when the board turns again.
|
|||
|
|
437 lurking and laughing,
|
|||
|
|
438 *************************kathyD*********************************************
|
|||
|
|
439 It would be nice if SOMEONE would start writing stories; anything other than
|
|||
|
|
440 this off the wall reflection of Sunday morning television, halla loo ya,and all that.
|
|||
|
|
441 The Center for Disease Control is not very likely to issue a press release
|
|||
|
|
442 stating that AIDS has reached epidemic proportions, that they are totally helpless
|
|||
|
|
443 to do anything about it (at least yet), and that if unchecked could afflict
|
|||
|
|
444 hundreds of thousands (if not millions) within the next 20 years.
|
|||
|
|
445 No, this isn't likely. Whether it happens to be true or not, they're not
|
|||
|
|
446 gonna say (admit?) that, now are they? In other words, can we believe what they say? Or is the
|
|||
|
|
447 public being kept unblissfully ignorant in the hopeof avoiding mass panic.
|
|||
|
|
448 Well, I'll tell you a little story. There was ths dog, a stray, who liked to chase trains. One day he was running
|
|||
|
|
449 after a diesel engine, and he got too close. The frnt wheels caught his wagging tail, and clipped the end off.
|
|||
|
|
450 Well , the dog was furious, and resumed his attack with renewed vengeance, and (again) got a little too clos
|
|||
|
|
451 and the rear wheels cut his head off. The moral is, naturally, don't lose your head over a piece of tail. I for one
|
|||
|
|
452 ain't about to. That is the only (so far) way to combat the spread of AIDS- don't get exposed to it. There is really
|
|||
|
|
453 very little else to be said untill a cure, or vaccine is developed.
|
|||
|
|
454 As to this being God's way of telling 'us' someting, MOOSE HOCKEY. Religious people have made the same stupid ass
|
|||
|
|
455 ertion about the flood, the plague in Europe, and aything else they can manipulate in order to instill fear into '
|
|||
|
|
456 'non believers. One more 'born again Christian= more bucks in the collection plate. [*=*]
|
|||
|
|
457 ''''''''''.......
|
|||
|
|
458 ......Wrong border Frank .....Let's see the last time you made a substantial
|
|||
|
|
459 entry...November ....8th.....84...your sentences were longer then ......
|
|||
|
|
460 ...as was some subterfuge about ....Bill & George.....(hehheh)........
|
|||
|
|
461 ''''''''''.......
|
|||
|
|
462 ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]
|
|||
|
|
463 To Nelsons:
|
|||
|
|
464 I never meant to try and prove evolution was impossible: my main thrust was to ask someone to come to me and *prove* it.
|
|||
|
|
465 I said it was ludicrous to assume that all life could have evolved by itself. I will agree with the *possibility* that
|
|||
|
|
466 God created us through some sort of change. I still assert that it's impossible for all life on this planet to have
|
|||
|
|
467 evolved by itself.
|
|||
|
|
468
|
|||
|
|
469 I also agree that some forms of change have taken place. Take the horses for example. But that is a *far* cry from the
|
|||
|
|
470 creation of livng beings in the first place. Heck, we're growing taller as a race because of our better nutrition. Fine,
|
|||
|
|
471 changes can happen. But a billion years won't add feathers to our backs or change fish to elephants. Anyway, back to
|
|||
|
|
472 the basics: someone prove to me, that pure evolution, the creation of all things, happened by accident.
|
|||
|
|
473
|
|||
|
|
474 And if you can't, atheists like Pen Name need to explain how we got here in our present form.
|
|||
|
|
475
|
|||
|
|
476 Anyway, I realize it's all rehashed stuff. But I for one am anxious for someone to prove evolution as stated above.
|
|||
|
|
477 I'm not the one putting for the theory as fact, so I don't have to prove it can't be, even though it's so obvious. My
|
|||
|
|
478 arguments don't have to be strong or weak, I'm just waiting for someone to offer a decent one on that lame-brained
|
|||
|
|
479 theory in the first place.
|
|||
|
|
480
|
|||
|
|
481 And as far as God causing AIDS, well, natually I took a firm stance to evoke some opinion. My true opinion is that its
|
|||
|
|
482 very possible and why not give it some thought. If there is a God, and since evolution is hardly proveable there must be
|
|||
|
|
483 some infinite force, then why wouldn't he? He said he would in the Bible, he did it often in the Bible, so why do we
|
|||
|
|
484 assume he'd never do it again? 'Cause he's 2000 years older and we're 2000 years wiser?
|
|||
|
|
485
|
|||
|
|
486 "...Let no man deceive himself. If any among you thinks that he is wise in this age, let him become foolish that he
|
|||
|
|
487 may become wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness before God."
|
|||
|
|
488
|
|||
|
|
489 So, Nelsons, again, someone prove evolution to me. It's not me theory, so I don't have to disprove it. And I honestly
|
|||
|
|
490 hope my writing style is not such that you would assume I would call you names because you disagree with me. Far from
|
|||
|
|
491 it. I'm searching for information and putting forth questions to spark debate. To each their own, but I enjoy a brisk
|
|||
|
|
492 conversation. Believing in God and evolution hand in hand is great, and I applaude you. It's the evolution-by-itself
|
|||
|
|
493 that I can't understand, and I can't understand how it can be put forth as fact all on it's own. And personally, I could
|
|||
|
|
494 care less if the world was made in six days or six million years. It doesn't matter. What does matter is whether you
|
|||
|
|
495 believe God did it in the first place.
|
|||
|
|
496
|
|||
|
|
497 ]]]]]]]]]]]]] ANDY ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]
|
|||
|
|
498 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
|
|||
|
|
499 Well, the Bear didn't know who made him or why. All he knew was that this very
|
|||
|
|
500 large and very angry dragon, with his sword in its chest and a very bloody
|
|||
|
|
501 eye, was in the middle of a leap toward where he crouched. He had just a split
|
|||
|
|
502 second to move. His mind had registered deep within the way the dragon had
|
|||
|
|
503 leaped at him the first time. Now his body would have to do the rest.
|
|||
|
|
504
|
|||
|
|
505 He drove himself forward as far as his aching legs could propel him. In that
|
|||
|
|
506 instant the dragon was over him, in the air. But its prey was now behind the
|
|||
|
|
507 fearsome mouth and the sharp claws, and was suddenly underneath its stomach.
|
|||
|
|
508
|
|||
|
|
509 The dragon had overshot its mark, but could do nothing about it. It plummeted
|
|||
|
|
510 toward the ground, exactly over the spot where Bear's lunge had taken him.
|
|||
|
|
511 It landed with a loud thud on the ground, smothering Bear completely.
|
|||
|
|
512
|
|||
|
|
513 All was silent for a moment. The dragon started to grin in evil delight. He
|
|||
|
|
514 knew the weight of its large body would have crushed the Bear. He was slightly
|
|||
|
|
515 chagrined that he would have to lick up the corpse instead of chew the meaty
|
|||
|
|
516 morsels. But at least the bothersome creature was through pestering him.
|
|||
|
|
517
|
|||
|
|
518 But its one good eye widened suddenly. Shock seemed to fill the dragon's face,
|
|||
|
|
519 and it's huge body shook. It rolled its head from side to side in silent rage,
|
|||
|
|
520 its mouth gaping open and shut like a door blowing in a quiet breeze. Its eye
|
|||
|
|
521 grew wider, and then began to clos e. A fury of scorching hot air escaped from
|
|||
|
|
522 its mouth, and it began to twist in the throes of death...
|
|||
|
|
523
|
|||
|
|
524 00000000000000000000000000 THE BEAR 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
|
|||
|
|
525
|
|||
|
|
526 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
|
|||
|
|
527 From Prometheus; Anachronism
|
|||
|
|
528 On the subject of AIDS, it is obviously getting attention. Take your own
|
|||
|
|
529 attention to the subject for example. It is also an edeclared epidemic, maybe
|
|||
|
|
530 only be the mass media, but declared just the same. And it is ancient, even
|
|||
|
|
531 as far as diseases go. And was not created in a Belgian monestary as a dooms
|
|||
|
|
532 day weapon in the sexual revolution.
|
|||
|
|
533 On the subject of God, if your God does cause pain to human beings, your
|
|||
|
|
534 God is then a sadist. A sadistic god is a evil god, by most definitions. And
|
|||
|
|
535 about the Bible and it's quotations, the Bible will mean anything it's readers
|
|||
|
|
536 want it to mean. A religion is something which cannot be proved, and the
|
|||
|
|
537 Bible was the Christian way of making sure Chrisitianity would never be proven
|
|||
|
|
538 in the least bit. To anyone.
|
|||
|
|
539 On the subject of Evolution, as a student of it who does know what Homo
|
|||
|
|
540 Habilus means, along with three dozen other designations, it is scientifically
|
|||
|
|
541 proven. Of course, no one is scientific enough to have it proven to them
|
|||
|
|
542 scientifically so, it remains unproven.
|
|||
|
|
543 Once anyone admits any changes will occur in progressive generations, they
|
|||
|
|
544 must admit that more changes will occur with more generations. And those
|
|||
|
|
545 changes will be different for each creature. And they must admit the theory
|
|||
|
|
546 of evolution is not stupid or they risk admitting they are.
|
|||
|
|
547 Creationists I have spoken to seem to think there is something about life
|
|||
|
|
548 which is divine in nature. Their definition of life is diffenerent than an
|
|||
|
|
549 evolutionists definition. Evolutionists I have spoken to think there is
|
|||
|
|
550 chemical fact in life, and that the structure of atoms determines the
|
|||
|
|
551 chemistry of life, which is a fact.
|
|||
|
|
552
|
|||
|
|
553 If in the course of the debate, anyone should find themselves bored, they
|
|||
|
|
554 might refer to this. From the way people are talking, and the way I am
|
|||
|
|
555 writing, this probably wont be read.
|
|||
|
|
556
|
|||
|
|
557 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
|
|||
|
|
558
|
|||
|
|
559 tttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt
|
|||
|
|
560
|
|||
|
|
tilean stared at the screen... the amber glow lighting his cheeks... while
|
|||
|
|
561 little frowns paled them... and a cold draft robbed them their warmth...
|
|||
|
|
562 he sits there... at the screen... alone on the floor... cords stretching
|
|||
|
|
563 off into the distance... the shadowy corners of the warehouse... where the
|
|||
|
|
564 dreams hide until... tilean's eyes close...
|
|||
|
|
565 once he thought of going home... and the thought floated away... it is
|
|||
|
|
566 easier to stay...
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
567 tttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt
|
|||
|
|
568
|
|||
|
|
569 \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\this\whole\debate\thing\is\BORING!\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\markmarkmark\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
|
|||
|
|
570 .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.I.agree.-.-.boring.-.-.-.-.Emu.-.-.-.
|
|||
|
|
571 Look above, a flock of ostrich^
|
|||
|
|
572
|
|||
|
|
573 fred, you continue to amaze me. If my small messages are considered panic fed
|
|||
|
|
574 by you, I guess there is no further sense in talking to you. Go back and read the messages if you have such ability.
|
|||
|
|
575 Don't just look at the words, READ them. There is a big difference between opening a discussion and starting a panic
|
|||
|
|
576 about one. Oh, but Paul Revere was hysterical too, wasn't he. Forgive me for stepping on thy over-sensitive toes fred.
|
|||
|
|
577 You obviously have a great deal to lose, c'est vrai?
|
|||
|
|
578
|
|||
|
|
579 Ah, Frank, you are really slipping now. Different boarder (Grand Dragon Master's), different margin, and different
|
|||
|
|
580 style with use of smaller paragraphs similar to, oh well you know who. But this was always a mixed-up crazy world,
|
|||
|
|
581 where a single person can create so many diverse personalities, and then have those personalities get in fights with
|
|||
|
|
582 each other. As the world is old so is this technique. Like an honored statesman is gathers respect as time goes by.
|
|||
|
|
583 Very clever Frank, but perhaps you don't give dear FYI their due credit. Would you have suddenly popped on on this
|
|||
|
|
584 system if all he had written was true. Could you get away with a simple, "Ya, FYI is right." How boring if the truth
|
|||
|
|
585 told be the only thing told. I say that FYI managed to get you to re-appear, and in that respect he done good. Strike
|
|||
|
|
586 him down, show your teeth, for you certainly have a full set, but according to that other Frenchman he was right on
|
|||
|
|
587 the mark. Anyway, so good to see you back. One never knows how much they miss someone until they go away.
|
|||
|
|
588 French Toast
|
|||
|
|
589 __________________________________________________________________________
|
|||
|
|
590 Taking a cue from our own _Leonard_, I would like to enter the following...
|
|||
|
|
591
|
|||
|
|
592 The BANZAI INSTITUTE is pleased to announce that is is now
|
|||
|
|
593 accepting applications for membership in
|
|||
|
|
594 THE BLUE BLAZE IRREGULARS
|
|||
|
|
595 The official Buckaroo Banzai fan club
|
|||
|
|
596
|
|||
|
|
597 In the continuing tradition of the Institute, membership in the Blue Blaze
|
|||
|
|
598 Irregulars is free of charge. All you need to do is write us a letter saying
|
|||
|
|
599 that you are interested in becoming a member of Buckaroo's ever-growing
|
|||
|
|
600 network of assistants.
|
|||
|
|
601 BLUE BLAZES will receive an initial membership packet, the Banzai Institute
|
|||
|
|
602 newsletter, and bulletins regarding special events of interest to the members
|
|||
|
|
603 of Team Banzai. The Institute will also help make available the photographs
|
|||
|
|
604 and other Team Banzai items you've been looking for. If you would like to
|
|||
|
|
605 receive exclusive information about Buckaroo Banzai, the Hong Kong
|
|||
|
|
606 Cavaliers and the filmmakers they chose to tell their story, then write
|
|||
|
|
607 today to:
|
|||
|
|
608 THE BANZAI INSTITUTE
|
|||
|
|
609 c/o 20th CENTURY FOX
|
|||
|
|
610 P.O. BOX 900
|
|||
|
|
611 BEVERLY HILLS, CA 90213
|
|||
|
|
612
|
|||
|
|
613 Remember, only the BLUE BLAZE IRREGULARS can help Buckaroo Banzai take on
|
|||
|
|
614 the World Crime League!
|
|||
|
|
615 ..............................................................................
|
|||
|
|
616 :-I :-I :-I :-I :-I :-I :-I :-I :-I :-I :-I :-I :-I :-I :-I :-I :-I :-I :-I
|
|||
|
|
617 (I know I shouldn't get into this mess, but...)
|
|||
|
|
618 Andy: Just wanted to make a few comments on your evolution arguments. First,
|
|||
|
|
619 I would like to ask where you got the idea that cells practice sexual
|
|||
|
|
620 reproduction. Cells are asexual and reproduce by fission. Therefor,
|
|||
|
|
621 if one cell is created, it does not need another one to "mate" with.
|
|||
|
|
622 Second, as to the rib-cage, it probably evolved due to something called
|
|||
|
|
623 survial of he fittest. A life form with a rib-cage has a much better
|
|||
|
|
624 chance of surviving that one without. If an animal is produced with a
|
|||
|
|
625 rib-cage, it has a better chance to survive. Now, how did this rib-cage
|
|||
|
|
626 come about? By mutation. One of the lastest suggestions about the
|
|||
|
|
627 causes of these mutations is that they are caused by solar-radiation
|
|||
|
|
628 effecting the developing life form. Out of space, sorry folks. :-I Max
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
TOTAL NUMBER OF LINES = 628
|