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1 JDIEUYGA
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2 ******************** REMOVED: 19 DEC 83 ******************************
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3 Welcome to BWMS (BackWater Message System) Mike Day System operator
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4 ************************************************************
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5 GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION PLACED ON
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6 THIS SYSTEM.
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7 BWMS was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS is a privatly owned
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8 and operated system which is currently open for use by the general public.
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9 No restrictions are placed on the use of the system.
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10 It is intended that the system be normally used for messages and
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11 advertisments by the users. As the system is privatly owned, I retain the
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12 right to remove any and all messages which I may find offensive
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13 to me. Additionally because of the limited size of the system, it will be
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14 periodically purged of older messages. (only 629 lines of data can be saved)
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15 The saved information will be cycled to drive 'B' while the information on
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16 drive 'B' will be archived, and a fresh disk will be installed in drive 'A'.
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17 To leave a message, type 'ENTER' and use ctrl/C or break to get out
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18 of the enter mode. The message is automaticly stored.
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19 If after entering the message you find you made a mistake,
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20 use the replace command to replace the line.
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21 To exit from the system, type 'OFF' then hang up.
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22 Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system.
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23 ========================================
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24
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25 Alex:Would you believe part of a Stoner weapons system ...(I
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26 (I didn't think so). I'm not too worried about what those turkeys will do
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27 AFTERWARDS, as I suspect that they are all aware of the OTHER would-be
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28 conquerors out there (of course, THEY think that the reverse isn't true!).
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29 Thus, I would expect one of their highest priorities would be to eliminate
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30 these "threats". When the dust clears, I expect that the survivors could be
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31 beaten by a den of cub scouts!
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32 The big problem is that right now they are giving the serious, concerned
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33 survivalists a bad name. (Remember how I compared them to the "hackers"
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34 giving US a bad name?).
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35 I've got a qoute from an article on shelter construction that should answer
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36 a lot of the objections some people seem to have to even DISCUSSING
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37 shelter construction, bomb effects etc.
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38 "No one can know today whether our lives would be worth living after a
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39 nuclear war, and we won't dwell on the moral questions of the individual's
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40 responsibility to oneself and to others. For the ultimate amorality, the
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41 survivor who envies the dead can join them any time he chooses. But you
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42 ought to have the option of nuclear survival, and that option starts with
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43 information." (from "Gimme Shelter" by Dean Ing, 1980)
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44 _____________________________________Leonard________________________________
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45
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46 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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47
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48 1984 IS COMING FAST, AND ITS ATTRIBUTES ARE CLOSE BEHIND. WE'VE
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49 HAD "NEWSPEAK" SINCE THE WAR DEPARTMENT WAS RENAMED THE DEFENSE DEPART-
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50 MENT AFTER WWII. THIS OCCURED BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT WANTED A PERMANENT
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51 BUREAU DEDICATED TO WAR (AND NATIONAL DEFENSE) WITHOUT GIVING THE (CORRECT)
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52 IMPRESSION WE WERE IN A CONSTANT STATE OF WAR TO THE GENERAL POPULATION.
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53 IT HAS CONTINUED THROUGH TWO WARS...... UH, POLICE-ACTIONS (EXCUSE ME),
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54 WITH PHRASES SUCH AS "NATIVE PASSIFICATION" (WHAT USED TO BE REFERRED TO
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55 AS "DEATH") AND THE ETERNALLY FAMOUS "WE HAD TO DESTROY THE VILLAGE TO
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56 SAVE IT" (FROM COMMUNISM, OF COURSE. BETTER DEAD THAN RED....). BUT,
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57 AS THE POLITICIANS FOUND AGAIN AND AGAIN, NEWSPEAK WAS NEVER FULLY EF-
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58 FECTIVE AS LONG AS THERE WAS A FREE PRESS (THOSE NASTY BOYS THAT WERE
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59 ALWAYS ASKING EMBARRASSING QUESTIONS ABOUT THINGS ONE WOULD PREFER RE-
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60 MAINED SWEPT UNDER THE RUG). BUT HOW COULD YOU GET RID OF THE PRESS?
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61 DUE TO THE CONCEPT OF A FREE PRESS BEING ENSHRINED BY OUR FOUNDING FATHERS,
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62 IT WAS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO GET RID OF. PRESIDENTS ESPECIALLY HAVE
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63 FOUND THE PRESS AN IRRITANT AND NEARLY EVERY ONE HAS COMPLAINED BITTERLY
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64 ABOUT IT. BUT WHAT TO DO, WHAT TO DO........
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65
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66 THE RISE OF "INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM" BROUGHT MANY THINGS TO THE AMER-
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67 ICAN NEWS MEDIA. NOT ONLY WAS THE OPPORTUNITY PRESENTED TO UNCOVER ALL TYPES
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68 OF DECEPTION AND CRIMINALITY, BUT IT ALSO BROUGHT THE CHANCE FOR YOUNG
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69 JOURNALISTS NATIONWIDE TO MAKE UTTER FOOLS OF THEMSELVES AND DISCREDIT
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70 THEIR PROFESSION IN THE EYES OF THE PUBLIC. THIS HAS ALL COME TO A HEAD
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71 RECENTLY WITH THE PUBLIC BACKLASH AGAINST THE PRESS (WHICH IS EXTREMELY
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72 ODD, DUE TO THE PUBLIC'S LOVE FOR SENSATIONALISM, A LA THE NATIONAL EN-
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73 QUIRER). OUR CURRENT LEADER, REAGAN, HAS HATED THE PRESS SINCE HIS DAYS
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74 IN HOLLYWOOD, AND THE TIME HE HAS SPENT IN THE POLITICAL ARENA HAS CAUSED
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75 THE OLD WOUNDS TO FESTER. THE DARKENING OF THE PUBLIC MOOD TOWARD THE
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76 PRESS HAS CREATED OPPORTUNITIES THAT NEVER BEFORE EXISTED, AND HE IS
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77 GRABBING THEM. LIE DETECTOR TESTS FOR CABINET MEMBERS, CREATING "SOURCES"
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78 TO LEAK FALSE INFORMATION, DENYING ACCESS TO IMPORTANT STORIES, AND RE-
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79 VEALING NEW POLICY DECISIONS AT MEETINGS OF THE DAUGHTERS OF THE AMERICAN
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80 REVOLUTION RATHER THAN PRESS CONFERENCES ARE ONLY SOME EXAMPLES OF THE
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81 SMALL BATTLES THAT ARE OCCURING. BUT, AS USUAL, REAGAN CANNOT SEE THE
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82 LONG TERM RESULT OF HIS BEHAVIOR.
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83
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84 THE INVASION OF GRENADA WAS SO COMPLETELY SUCCESSFUL AND WELCOME BY
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85 THE INHABITANTS THAT FEW DARE TO COMMENT NEGATIVELY. BUT THE FEW NEGAIVE
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86 REPORTS I'VE HEARD ARE DIRECTLY RELATED TO DOUBTS OF THE VERACITY OF
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87 MILITARY REPORTS. SOME FOREIGN NEWS MEDIA (DER SPIEGEL FOR ONE) ARE
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88 PLACING DOUBTS ON WHETHER THE ARMS FOUND ON THE ISLAND WERE ACTUALLY
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89 FOUND THERE, OR BROUGHT IN WITH THE TROOPS. HERE, HAVING A PRESS CORP
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90 ALONG WOULD HAVE QUIETED THESE DOUBTERS AS THEY COULD VERIFY THROUGH AN
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91 INDEPENDANT SOURCE THE TRUTH OF THE CLAIMS.
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92 REAGAN HAS ALWAYS BEEN A GOOD MANIPULATOR, AND HE IS WELL AWARE THAT
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93 DURING TIMES OF CRISIS, AMERICANS RALLY 'ROUND THEIR LEADER IN PATRIOTIC
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94 FERVOR. DUE TO THIS REACTION, ANY NEGATIVE COMMENTARY NOW IS TREATED
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95 WITH DISDAIN OR EVEN ANGER ("HOW DARE YOU DOUBT OUR FEARLESS LEADER!"),
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96 EVEN TO THE POINT OF INDIVIDUALS ACTUALLY SUGGESTING IN LETTERS TO NEWS-
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97 PAPERS THAT WE WOULD BE BETTER OFF IF THE GOVERNMENT WAS IN CONTROL OF
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98 THE NEWS MEDIA. TO QUOTE ABC NEWS PRESIDENT ROONE ARLEDGE, "IF A REF-
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99 ERENDUM ON THE 1st AMENDMENT WERE HELD TODAY, I WOULD HATE TO SEE HOW
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100 THE VOTE MIGHT GO."
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101
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102 SO WHERE ARE WE HEADED? THE CONTROL OF THE DISSEMINATION OF INFOR-
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103 MATION IS NOT HERE YET, BUT IS AROUND THE CORNER AND COMING FAST, WITH
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104 THE SUPPORT OF THE PUBLIC. 1984 IS ONLY A LITTLE BEHIND SCHEDULE IN THAT
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105 RESPECT. AND THE BILL OF RIGHTS MAY BE THE NEXT TARGET, AS DEAR RONNIE
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106 HAS ALWAYS EXPRESSED DISLIKE FOR CERTAIN PORTIONS OF THAT TREASONOUS AND
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107 UN-AMERICAN DOCUMENT. ITS DESTRUCTION WON'T BE VERY HARD, EITHER, SINCE
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108 MOST PEOPLE ARE UNFAMILIAR WITH IT, AND MANY WOULDN'T RECOGNIZE IT IF YOU
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109 SHOWED IT TO THEM. UNLESS WE HAVE A CHANGE IN LEADERSHIP (OR THE MINDS
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110 OR OUR CURRENT LEADERS) TOWARD SOMETHING THAT VALUES THE "RIGHTS" OF THE
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111 CITIZEN, THE ROAD AHEAD IS CLEARLY MARKED.
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112
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113 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]PAM.[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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114
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115 AMEN!
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116 "THE PRICE OF FREEDOM IS ETERNAL VIGALANCE"
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117
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118 ************************************************************************
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119 PAM: I FORGOT ONE SYSTEM CONTROL, THE RUBOUT (HEX 7F) SOMETIMES CALLED
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120 DELETE.
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121 ******************** CISTOP MIKEY ***************************************
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122 RANTRANTRANTRANTRANTRANTRANTRANTRANTRANTRANTRANTRANTRANTRANTRANTRANTRANT
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123 THERE IS ONE QUOTE ATTRIBUTED TO ABE LINCOLN THOUGH IN ALL PROBABILITY
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124 IS WAS STOLEN FROM SOMEPLACE ELSE BY HIS SPEACH WRITER. THE QUOTE IS
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125 "YOU CAN FOOL ALL OF THE PEOPLE SOME OF THE TIME, AND SOME OF THE PEOPLE
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126 ALL OF THE TIME, BUT YOU CAN'T FOOL ALL OF THE PEOPLE ALL OF THE TIME."
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127 LET'S HOPE THAT THIS HOLDS TRUE HERE AS WELL. AS WAS STATED ABOVE, WE
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128 MUST REMAIN VIGALANT OF OUR FREEDOMS IF WE INTEND TO KEEP THEM, THEY
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129 CANNOT BE COMPROMIZED!
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130 RANTRANTRANTRANTRANTRANTRANT CISTOP MIKEY AGAIN RANTRANTRANTRANTRANTRANTRANT
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131 P.S. WHAT A STRANGE WAY TO SPEND LUNCH; READING BWMS....
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132 ****************************************************************
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133 """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""WELL-
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134 IT WORKED FOR A WHILE BUT I SEE ALL OF YOU PEOPLE HAVE BEEN RE-
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135 PROGRAMED
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136 INTO THE SAME OLD GRIND. FOR A WHILE YOU WERE ACTUALLY USING YOUR IMAGINA-
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137 TIONS. BUT I GUESS I WILL HAVE TO TRY AGAIN. I MUST GO NOW BUT I WILL BE BAC
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138 K WITH ANOTHER MESSAGE FOR YOU TO PONDER UPON. PROBABLY MUCH LONGER AND
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139 MUCH MORE DESCRIPTIVE. this is a pitiful situation
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140
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141 """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""MERLYN""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
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142
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143 You mean that the tripe that you have entered is what you call imagination?
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144 Merlyn, you have about as much imagination as my dead dog Frederick.
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145 Please don't "try again", we really don't need another 100 lines of French.
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146 """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Morgan Le Fey"""""""""""""""""""""
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147 Pam, why the black mood? Calling something it isn't, but sounds better
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148 is no new invention. (Just look into where words like "janitor" or
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149 "toilet" came from, and what they once meant). all politicians hate the
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150 press, it tells the truth rathere than there hot air, but they are too
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151 scared of it to really try much. (how do you think they get elected?
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152 ----ADVERTISING---) just accept that the US runs on a beurocracy, not the
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153 politicans, and breathe easier. Awareness is needed, but not fear.
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154 /////////////////////////////////////BAD\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
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155 PAMS NOT REALLY TOO FAR OUT OF LINE. WITNESS LAWS & REGULATIONS PASSED
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156 LATELY AND OTHERS ON THE DRAWING BOARDS THAT WILL PREVENT ANY RESEARCHER
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157 THAT IS DEALING WITH MATERIAL THE GOVERNMENT IS INTERESTED IN (FROM
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158 BIOLOGY TO VOTING ANALYSIS TO POLITICAL SCIENCE TO DISARMAMENT STUDIES)
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159 FROM PUBLISHING ANYTHING WITHOUT PERMISSION OF THE GOVERNMENT'S SECRET
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160 POLICE. ANYBODY QUALIFIED TO COMMENT ON ANYTHING OF IMPORTANCE COULD
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161 BE PREVENTED FROM COMMENTING ON IT, WITH NO APPEAL. THIS COULD KILL NOT
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162 ONLY ALL NON-MILITARY RESEARCH IN THIS COUNTRY, BUT STOP ANY DISSEMINATION
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163 OF INFORMATION THE GOVERNMENT WANTS. EVEN TRIALS RELATED TO ATTEMPTS
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164 TO PUBLISH THIS INFORMATION ARE TO BE HELD IN SECRET. THE ONLY
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165 THING KEEPING THIS FROM HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IS THE UPROAR IT HAS
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166 CAUSED IN THE ACADEMIC COMMUNITY. BUT REAGAN PUT HIS WEIGHT BEHIND IT,
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167 AS DID THE 'SECURITY' (NEWSPEAK) SERVICES.
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168
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169 IN ADDITION, THERE ARE GOVERNMENT AGENCIES IN CHARGE OF DISSEMINATING
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170 PROPAGANDA IN THE U.S. THAT VERY FEW PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF. ONE OF
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171 THESE IS THE U.S. COMMUNICATIONS AGENCY. A FORMER STAFFER AT THIS AGENCY
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172 ONCE BRAGGED TO ME THAT "WE SAT DOWN EVERY MORNING AND DECIDED WHAT
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173 THE NEWS WOULD BE.
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174
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175 ONE THING THAT MAKES IT POSSIBLE FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO DECIEVE US ON A
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176 VARIETY OF ISSUES IS THE GUTLESNESS OF OUR PRESS. ARTICLES IN LOCAL
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177 NEWSPAPERS USUALLY REFLECT A BIAS TOWARDS ADVERTISERS, FOR INSTANCE,
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178 WHILE EVERY NATIONAL PUBLICATION INCLUDING THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
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179 WAS CONDEMNING THE TROJAN NUCLEAR PLANT AS A ENGINEERING AND
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180 FINANCIAL FIASCO (USUALLY NOT RUNNING, LEAKING WITH FREQUENCY) THE
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181 OREGONIAN PUBLISHED NO SUCH ARTICLES FOR YEARS. (FORTUNATELY, WITH A
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182 CHANGE IN MANAGEMENT, THIS HAS NOT BEEN THE CASE WITH WHOOPS)
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183
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184 ANOTHER PROBLEM WITH THE PRESS IS THAT THE INDIVIDUAL REPORTERS LIKE
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185 DAN RATHER AND TOM BROKAW ARE EASILY MANIPULATED BY MEANS OF PRIVATE,
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186 OFF THE RECORD, 'LEAKS'. PROTECTING SOURCES NAMES EVEN THOUGH IT HELPS
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187 TO HIDE THE TRUTH ON A RANGE OF ISSUES IS USUALLY A GOOD CAREER MOVE
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188 FOR A REPORTER WHOSE LIVELYHOOD DEPENDS ON GETTING 'GOOD STORIES'
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189
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190 MANY MEMBERS OF THE PRESS GO MUCH FURTHER AND ACTIVELY AND CONCIOUSLY
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191 DISSEMINATE LIES. TIME MAGAZINE HAS FOR SOME TIME RATHER OPENLY LET
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192 INTELLIGENCE AGENTS TRAVEL UNDER COVER AS TIME REPORTERS. THIS IS
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193 BECAUSE OF THE CONVICTIONS OF THE WEALTHY FAMILY THAT OWNS IT. REMEMBER
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194 THAT THE SPANISH AMERICAN WAR WAS ESSENTIALLY STARTED BY THE HEARST NEWS-
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195 PAPERS. WHILE INDIVIDUAL REPORTERS MAY BE HONEST/SCRUPULOUS/POPULIST
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196 THE PAPERS AND NETWORKS ARE RUN BY PEOPLE WHO HAVE A BIG INVESTMENT
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197 IN THE STATUS QUO.
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198
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199 IN SHORT, THE POSTURING OF THE PRESS, AND ESPECIALLY, THE POSTURING
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200 OF THE EXECUTIVE CLASS WITHIN THE PRESS, PRESENTING THEMSELVES AS
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201 THE FINAL BASTION OF FREEDOM, WOULD BE RIDICULOUS IF IT WAS NOT SO
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202 HORRIFYINGLY UNTRUE. WE HAVE BEEN SOLD OUT BY THE MODERN PRESS.
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203
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204 THE THING THAT MOST PEOPLE CAN'T GET PAST IS THAT OUR CHAINS ARE SO EASY
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205 TO BEAR. GOLDEN CHAINS, WITH A VELVET SHEATH. WHERE ARE THE WHIPS,
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206 THE BULLETS, THE DAWN SEARCHES, MOST PEOPLE WILL ASK YOU, IF OUR FREEDOMS
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207 ARE REALLY IN SUCH A SORRY CONDITION.
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208
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209 I BELIEVE ONE EXAMPLE OF THIS MAY BE FOUND IN GERMANY UNDER BISMARK.
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210 GERMANY HAD THE WORLDS FIRST SOCIAL SECURITY SYSTEM, AND THE COMFORT
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211 OF IT'S CITIZENS WAS NOT RIVALLED IN THE LATE 19TH CENTURY. YET
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212 GERMANY WAS ALSO THE PRE-EMINENT IMPERIALISTIC AND TOTALITARIAN STATE
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213 OF THAT TIME. IF YOU HAD CONFRONTED A GERMAN WITH THIS IDEA, HE WOULD
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214 PERHAPS HAVE LAUGHED AT THE IDEA THAT THERE WAS NO FREEDOM THERE.
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215
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216 FREEDOM IS TOO EASILY ASSOCIATED WITH RELATIVE WEALTH, WHEN IT SHOULD
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217 BE ASSOCIATED *ALSO* WITH TRUTH AND INTEGRITY, INTELLECTUAL HONESTY
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218 AND LACK OF CORRUPTION IN GOVERNMENT, WITH EQUAL OPPORTUNITY AND
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219 WITH A STATE THAT DOES NOT KILL AND DESTROY IN THE LANDS OF OTHERS
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220 WHILE PREVENTING IT'S OWN CITIZENS WITH KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT IS BEING DONE.
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221
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222 ........ WHEW!
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223
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224 ANYWAY, PAM HAS IT RIGHT, I THINK, AND THE FIRST THING TO DO ABOUT IT
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225 IS MAKE PEOPLE AWARE, WHICH IS WHAT SHE IS DOING. LACK OF AWARENESS IS
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226 IN FACT THE PROBLEM, AND SHOULD BE ATTACKED DIRECTLY.
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227
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228 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HROTHGAR, THE FORMIDABLE EDITORIALIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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229 WELL PAM, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU GOT YOUR CONTROVERSY. NOT QUITE THE ONE EXPECTED
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230 BUT A CONTROVERSY AT LEAST. MAYBE WITH A BIT OF WORK IT CAN GROW INTO
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231 SOMETHING MEANINGFUL AT LEAST.
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232 I ALWAYS AM INTERESTED IN THOSE WHO SAY THAT OUR BOOKS ARE NOT REWRITTEN
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233 IN AMERICA TO SUIT SOME GROUPS DESIRES ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT PEOPLE
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234 TO BELEIVE, OR THAT WHEN IT DOES HAPPEN IT IS FOUND OUT AND SOMETHING
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235 DONE ABOUT IT. MANY PARTS OF OUR PAST AS IS IS TAUGHT IS NOT ACURATE
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236 IT IS MODIFIED TO MAKE IT INTO WHAT SOME GROUP BELEIVES IT SHOULD BE
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237 DON'T BELEIVE IT? I WOULD SUGGEST YOU ASK SOMEONE FROM THE DEEP SOUTH
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238 ABOUT THE CIVIL WAR. YOU MAY FIND THAT THEIR VIEW IS ENTIRELY DIFFERENT
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239 THEN THE ONE YOU WERE TAUGHT. INDEED, THE VERY THING THAT THE WAR WAS
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240 FOUGHT OVER WAS HARDLY JUST SLAVERY AS IT IS TAUGHT SO OFTEN. THE PROBLEM
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241 IS THAT THOSE WHO TEACH THAT SORT OF THING LIKE TO HAVE A NICE SOLID
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242 PICTURE THAT THEY CAN PRESENT. THE REASON FOR THIS IS REALLY QUITE
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243 SIMPLE, IT IS MUCH TOO HARD TO TEACH THE REAL COMPLEX ASPECT OF THINGS
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244 OF THAT SORT, SO THEY REFINE IT DOWN TO SOMETHING THEY SOUNDS GOOD AND
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245 TEACH THAT INSTEAD. THIS HARDLY MAKES IT TRUTH HOWEVER. THE OTHER
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246 PROBLEM IS THAT MOST PEOPLE HAVE ABSOLUTLY NO INTEREST IN THAT SORT
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247 OF THING, SO THEY NEED TO REFINE IT DOWN TO NOTHING FOR MASS CONSUMPTION
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248 BY THE NON-CARING. THE END RESULT IS BUT A SMALL ASPECT OF THE WHOLE
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249 TRUTH.
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250 WANT ANOTHER EXAMPLE? HOW ABOUT ONE IN OUR OWN TIME. THE BIG FLACK ABOUT
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251 THE REWRITING OF BOOKS OVER EVOLUTION VS CREATIVITY. ONE SIDE WANTS IT
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252 ONE WAY, THE OTHER SIDE WANTS IT THE OTHER, BUT NEITHER WILL ACCEPT
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253 ANY PART OF THE OTHERS VIEWS. SO WHO DO YOU BELEIVE? IT IS NOT OVER NOW,
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254 IT IS JUST THAT THE PRESS HAS MOVED ON TO OTHER MORE INTERESTING THINGS
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255 TO TALK ABOUT. THE BATTLE STILL RAGES ON, AND PROBABLY WILL FOR A LONG
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256 TIME TO COME. THESE ARE SOME OF THE MORE HEAVY THINGS. WHAT OF THE LITTLE
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257 THINGS THAT MANY OF US EVEN KNOW ABOUT, LIKE THE TALE ABOUT GEORGE WAHINGTON
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258 WEARING WOODEN FALSE TEETH? MANY HAVE HEARD THIS TO BE UNTRUE SOME TIME
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259 IN OUR LIFE YET STILL WE TALK AND JOKE ABOUT IT AND MANY GO ON BELEIVING
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260 A LIE...
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261 ********** CISTOP MIKEY RANTING AGAIN ************************************
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262 ......................................................................
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263 To leonard...well you managed to miss the computer meeting, so I managed
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264 to miss giving you back what you loaned me.
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265 To Alex...My uncle went quite a few years ago. It took him several weeks,
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266 I can't remember how many, and it was a boat that he refurbished. It was
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267 20-30 feet in length, but I can't remember the other dimensions...Sorry
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268 I am not much help on the facts, but this was about 8-10 years ago...Sorry..
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269 To the many who are discussing the 'new' controversy...This may bring your
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270 rath down apon me, but I must wonder are the conditions of the press really
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271 as bad as some of you say? If the government really manipulated the press
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272 would it have allowed such things as the Washington Post's storys on
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273 Watergate? Sure many of the investigative reporters are buffons, but I think
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274 many of them are really dedicated to their cause. It takes guts to go up
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275 against the system the way some of them do. I guess what I am trying to say
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276 is that although some of our media may be manipulated and weak, but there
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277 are some out there in TV and Paper land that really believe in what they
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278 are doing. I don't know about you, but I believe 'Big daddy' Ed Whalen!
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279 I would certainly like to here some more facts and examples to go along
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280 the accusations. Anyone care to accomodate?
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281 To Aaron, pick a network, any network...OK...how about the OSSHE to start
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282 out with. And don't forget to get me information on a line on one of those
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283 special uniforms!
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284 .................tHE dROPPED bIT...........................................
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285 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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286 indeed, Pam, I left that line just for you.......as to your text above, I
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287 found it "adequate". Yet I yearn for some juicy tidbits of suppressed info-
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288 rmation that we can all point a scrawny, keyboard-callused finger at. As an
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289 example, the suppression of data on DES (Data Encryption Standard). The NSA
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290 STILL suppresses data publication of such information. ( I refer anyone
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291 intrested in this subject to a document "Freedom to research and publish on
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292 cryptography remains unresolved," THE INSTITUTE, May 1978, page 1. By
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293 Robert Sugarman.)
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294 "Information" is the key to the future. Everything resolves to pure data.
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295 Be it organic, electronic, financial or pure thought, it can be collated,
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296 manipulated, stored, DISSEMENATED....as data. Future (or current) laws that
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297 restrict information on its base levels threaten us more than every other
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298 possible "freedom", combined. FOIA (Freedom Of Information Act) and the
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299 Privacy Act are two of the MOST POWERFUL TOOLS in the private citizens'
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300 arsnell against governmental encroachment onto freedom. Comment?
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301
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302 Hrothgar! BINGO! The key to freedom is perception. As a system scientist,
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303 (nothing to do with computers) I try to understand the mechanisms of
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304 organisation. Standing outside a system, though obviously the best way
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305 , in fact the definition of an "objective" viewpoint, is not easily
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306 realizable with meta-systems such as LIFE_ON_EARTH or HUMAN_INTERACTION;
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307 yet is possible with such systems as US_CITIZEN. Key to the propagation
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308 of "QUALITY" throughout the earth as a unit (remember the UTOPIA hash..)
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309 is the dissemination of external viewpoints. Yes?
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310 Aaron
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311 oops....TDB: on a private forum. OSSHE is not common knowledge, and it
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312 is quite possible to "crash" the network malicously. (read "possible" as
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313 "easy"). Maybe at the U sometime. SMC? 2nd floor lounge?
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314 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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315
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316 I was wondering if anyone has ever thought much about star signs and the
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317 ease of relating to others. It has become more and more intresting to
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318 me as time goes by that the people I can become really close to tend to
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319 be people of "compatable" signs. I have made this observation only after
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320 knowing people for awhile.... meaning that I don't try to determine their
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321 sign up front but instead give it some time... this way their sign isn't
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322 know to me and can't color my feelings ahead of time.... this seems to
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323 be true for friends and for "dates" alike. My concern is really centered
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324 around the history or star signs and who or what group decided which planets
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325 have what influences over people..... anyone read any good references on
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326 this subject please let me know.
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327 thanks
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328 Peter
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329 12/16/83
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330 @#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@##@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@##@@#@#@##@#@##@#@#@#@#@#@##@#@#
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331 ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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332 I WATCHED THE NUCLEAR WAr ON TV, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS EXCELLANT. I WAS SURE
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333 TELEVISION WAS GOING TO MESS IT UP SOMEHOW. YOU KNOW:
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334 ATTRACTIVE WOMEN: EEEK! THAT ATOMIC BLAST HAS TORN ALL OUR BLOUSES IN A
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335 REVEALING MANNER!
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336 BURT REYNOLDS: QUICK! HOP IN THIS POWERFUL CAR AND WE'LL DRIVE AWAY REAL
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337 FAST.
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338 BUT IT TURNED OUT TO BE A VERY SERIOUS PROGRAM, AND IT HAD SUCH A PROFOUND
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339 IMPACT ON THE NATION THAT IT RANKED RIGHT UP THERE WITH THE DALLAS EPISODE
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340 WHEREIN WE FOUND OUT WHO SHOT J.R. SO, WE CAN SEE THAT NUCLEAR WAR IS A
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341 TOPIC THAT AMERICANS ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT, ALTHOUGH NOT QUITE AS CON-
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342 CERNED AS THEY WERE ABOUT THE LAST EPISODE OF M*A*S*H. BUT THERE YOUR TALKIN
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343 ABOUT A LONG RUNNING SERIES WITH POPULAR WINISECRACKING CHARACTERS, WHEREAS
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344 IN YOUR NUCLEAR-WAR DRAMAS THE CHARACTERS DO VERY LITTLE WISECRACKING INAS-
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345 MUCH AS THE VAST MAJORITY OF THEM HAVE BEEN VAPORIZED.
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346 THE NETWORK HAD TROUBLE GETTING SPONSERS FOR THE DAY AFTER, BECAUSE VERY FEW
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347 COMMERCIALS LOOK MEANINGFUL IN THE CONTEXT OF A NUCLEAR WAR:
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348 ANNOUNCER: ONE OF THESE BATHROOM BOWLS WAS CLEANED WITH NEW IMPROVED WIPE'
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349 N'CLEAN AND THE OTHER WAS CLEANED WITH THE LEADING BRAND. WE'VE ASKED THIS
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350 TYPICAL HOUSEWIFE TO NIFF THEM BOTH AND TELL US WHICH ONE SMELLS FRESHER.
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351 WELL, MRS. JONES?
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352 MRS. JONES: WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE? WE COULD ALL DIE ANY MOMENT.
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353 ANNOUNCER: MY GOD, YOU'RE RIGHT.
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354 **********
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355 THE POINT OF THE DAY AFTER AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WAS THAT NUCLEAR WAR IS HOR-
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356 RIBLE. I THOUGHT WE ALL AGREED ON THIS POINT SO I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY
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357 THE PROGRAM WAS SO CONTROVERSIAL. THE MEDIA SET A NEW OUTDOOR RECORD FOR
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358 YAMMERING ABOUT IT IN ADVANCE, AND THE ENTIRE NATION WAS WORKED INTO A LATH-
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359 ER. WHERE I LIVE PEOPLE CALLED UP RADIO TALK SHOWS AND VOICED VERY STRONG
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360 VIEWS ABOUT THE PROGRAM, PRO AND CON, BEFORE ANY OF THEM HAD SEEN IT. THE
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361 EXTREMELY REVEREND JERRY FALWELL SAW A PREVIEW AND SAID IT SHOULD NOT BE
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362 BROADCAST AT ALL BECAUSE IT GAVE "A ONE SIDED PRESENTATION". EVIDENTLY JERRY
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363 FELT IT SHOULD HAVE SHOWN THE POSITIVE SIDE OF NUCLEAR WAR:
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364 NURSE: HOW SHALL I WARM UP YOUR SANDWITCH DOCTOR?
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365 JASON ROBARDS: JUST HOLD IT OUT THE WINDOW AND THE RADIATION WILL DO THE
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366 REST.
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367 HORRIBLY BURNED PERSON: YOU SURE COULDN'T DO THAT BEFORE THE NUCLEAR WAR!
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368 CONCERNED PSYCHOLOGY EXPERTS FORMED ALL KINDS OF GROUPS TO HELP THE PUBLIC
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369 UNBURDEN ITSELF OF ITS ANXIETIES AFTER WATCHING THE DAY AFTER, BUT IT TURNED
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370 OUT THAT THE PUBLIC HAD ALREADY UNBURDENED ITSELF DAYS EARLIER TO THE RADIO
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371 TALK SHOWS. THE EXPERTS ALSO SAID CHILDRE COULD BE PSYCHOLOGICALLY SCARRED
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372 IF THEY WATCHED THE PROGRAM. THIS MAY WELL BE TRUE, BUT WE MUST BEAR IN MIND
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373 THAT EVERY SATURDAY MORNING AMERICAN CHILDREN WATCH CARTOON SHOWS IN WHICH
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374 A<LIEN BEINGS THAT LOOK LIKE MUNG BEETLES USE ADVANCED LASER WEAPONRY TO
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375 VAPORIZE ENTIRE GALAXIES, SO IT MAY TURN OUT THEY ARE LESS SUSCEPTIBLE THAN,
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376 SAY, YOUR PSYCHOLOGICAL EXPERTS.
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377 ONE GOOD THING ABOUT THE DAY AFTER IS THAT IT GOT OUR LEADERS TO RE-EXAMINE
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378 THE NATIONS NUCLEAR STRATEGY. THEY DID THIS IN A DEBATE RIGHT AFTER THE PRO-
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379 GRAM. HERE IS A COMPLETE TRANSCRIPT:
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380 HAWKS: NUCLEAR WAR IS HORRIBLE, AND IF WE DON'T DEPLOY MORE MISSILES WE'LL
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381 HAVE ONE.
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382 DOVES: NUCLEAR WAR IS HORRIBLE, AND IF WE DEPLOY MORE MISSILES WE'LL HAVE
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383 ONE.
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384 CARL SAGAN: IT WILL BE A BILLION TIMES MORE HORRIBLE THAN ANYONE THINKS.
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385 TED KOPPEL: THANK YOU.
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386 SO THINGS ARE ALL STRAIGHTENED OUT ON THE NUCLEAR FRONT. THE FOLKS IN CHARGE
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387 ARE WORKING IT ALL OUT AND WE DON'T NEED TO GIVE IT ANOTHER THOUGHT UNTIL
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388 RERUN SEASON.
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389 FROM: DAVE BARRY
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390 !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
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391 dROPPED bIT:(hate that reversed shift!) Sorry about that.
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392 ALL:I think that we are still FAIRLY safe. Why? Because if you take a
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393 "random" sample of people on any given government statement, school textbook
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394 or whatever, about 10% (guesstimate) will disagree with them. Quite often
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395 they will even consider them outright lies! As long as people aren't worried
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396 about expressing such view (and, of course, as long as they have them in the
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397 first place!) we are REASONABLY safe. In the USSR, a tourist suggested that
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398 certain events hadn't quite happened the way his guide had been taught in
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399 school. The guide IMMEDIATELY, with NO apparent hesitation, decided that the
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400 tourist was either lying out of sheer maliciousness, or had beenmisled
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401 himself. When the tourist was informed that he must be mistaken. He said
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402 something along the lines of "No, I wasn't there, but I've talked to people
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403 who were". Result? Guide decides that tourist is trying to slander the USSR
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404 & refuses to discuss ANYTHING further.
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405 While I admit that there is quite a difference between here, & there. I
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406 feel that we would have to go a LONG way before that kind of "discussion"
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407 could take place here. Do you know anyone with that kind of BLIND FAITH in
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408 "official truth" (English translation of "pravda"!), unless you are speaking
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409 of their RELIGION?
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410 I agree we must watch the government AND the media (& the general public,
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411 for that matter). But the situation isn't critical, probably not even
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412 serious. I'd say "prognosis fair, provided patient's condition remains
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413 stable, if condition worsens- prognosis VERY poor."
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414 _____________________________________Leonard________________________________
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415
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416 I've always wondered if I should belief what information I get from the
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417 press, But it is the only current source that I have. To get a the best
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418 version of the truth, you would need to watch every version of a news
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419 program topic. If they all said the same thing, then maybe the odds
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420 would be greater that it was true. A freind of mine has an Uncle that
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421 still believes that we haven't been to the moon. I haven't been there
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422 so how can I prove that we really have? You can only use the information
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423 that you get for proof, and who knows how acurate that is. As far as I
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424 know, there is no Russia, or England. My world is but what I can sense,
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425 and how can your world be any bigger.
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426 ===========================================Billy================
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427 Ahh--
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428 We are getting to the crux of a very important matter. Our world is made
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429 up of concentric circles centered around us. I am concerned first with
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430 myself and my family, next with friends, next acquaintances, then those
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431 whom I percieve as neccesary and/or useful to me, those who live in the
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432 same geographical area, region, political subdivision, continent, and
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433 finally the same world.
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434 I am projecting my feelings, but believe that most others have roughly
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435 the same set of concerns. For myself, the highest form of morality is
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436 that that assures the survival, well-being, and freedom of people roughly
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437 in accordance with my perception of their importance to me. I can only
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438 assume that others use roughly the same type of value scale. Living in
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439 the world that exists today, I do all in my power to be benificent to
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440 others, resoliving ethical and moral disputes in accordance with these
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441 values. This means that if a choice must be made between the life of
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442 my child and your child, I will inevetably choose to preserve my own child's
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443 life. In a choice between my own and my child's life, I might --
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444 under certain circumstances-- give up my own.
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445 I therefore count myself as rather typical of the present population of
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446 America. This scale of values is not necessarily complete or consistent.
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447 I can imagine circumstances that modify or change it, but given the trade-
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448 offs that exist, is generally the only way I have to balance out situations
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449 where, when bad effects (or good effects) result from my action or in-
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450 action, I must choose between who benifits and who does not.
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451 Insofar as you are **distant** acquaintances on this system, I therefore
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452 have more consideration of your preferences than of those of total strangers
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453 or those whom I consider hold positions positivly inimical to my own.
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454 In a survival situation, such as after a nuclear or natural holacast, or
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455 social breakdown, I should cooperate with those whose interests most
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456 closely coincided with my own, and defend myself against all others. In
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457 this type of situation -- assuming that survival were worth working for--
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458 my full efforts would go towards the survival of those whom I percieved
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459 as most important to me and mine.
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460 --------------------------Dusty-----------------------------------------
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461 <<-->>
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462 Hi, this is my first time. I just thought I'd drop a note
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463 to indicate that fact. The stuff on here so far looks real bleary.
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464 Is it always this bad? I realize that there's a lot to talk about
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465 regarding the end of civilization on the planet, but it reminds me
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466 of a short metaphor. It goes something like this:
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467 A train is speeding off to certain tragedy. The tracks
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468 some miles ahead have been observed to drive straight off
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469 a cliff (via telescopes, they find this out, I guess).
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470 Suddenly, a very charismatic leader steps up and shouts,
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471 "I know what we'll do... lets ALL get over to the LEFT
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472 side of the train. The LEFT side is the proper side
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473 to be on to handle issues like that. Let's go!" and
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474 a large portion of the train's passengers follow him
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475 to the left side of the train. Then, another person
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476 jumps up (being not quite convinced that being on the
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477 left side of the train is really gonna work) and sez,
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478 "I know... since being on the LEFT side of the train
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479 isn't really gonna work, let's get everyone over to
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480 the RIGHT side of the train! That's what we REALLY
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481 need!!". For many minutes, each leader tries to get
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482 as many of the followers from the other group to
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483 come around to their own point of view. Some fights
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484 and riots even break out. Of course, the train goes
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485 over the cliff.
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486 Is being righe
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487 Is being right about this MORE important than cooperating to find
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488 a solution? What we need are tracklayers. Those that have
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489 the guts to get out IN FRONT OF the train, and re lay the track.
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490 ANY POINT OF VIEW THAT ALREADY EXISTS ONLY LEADS TO MORE OF THE
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491 SAME! This is a metaphysical definition. Once a point of view
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492 is put in place, the only things that can show up in that space
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493 are things that are shaped and molded by the point of view.
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494 LET'S ALL NOTICE THAT NONE OF US *REALLY* WANTS THIS GAME TO END!
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495 Stop being "right" about your position. If you do, notice that too.
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496 Enough said for a first-time message. By the way, any messages
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497 signed with "MERLYN" before were entered not by me. This is
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498 my first time. Thanks for the ear. Remember, you are the only
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499 one that exists at the center of your universe. Use your
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500 position wisely, or you won't get to play anymore. YOU make
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501 the difference in your universe.
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502
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503 -- MERLYN -- <<-->><<-->><<-->><<-->><<-->><<-->>
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504 ############################################################
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505 # DOES THIS MEAN THIS CHAP HAS STOLEN MERLYN'S NAME? HOW #
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506 # UTTERLY OUTRAGEOUS. MUSTN'T TELL HIM MINE, NOW, MUST I? #
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507 # THE BLOODY CHAP MIGHT STEAL IT. TACKY, TACKY, TACKY. #
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508 ############################################################
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509 ======================================
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510
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511 Dear Folks:
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512
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513 I hate Kansas. I hate the
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514 farm. I hate tornadoes. I'm leaving
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515 and I am taking the dog.
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516
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517 Dorthy
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518
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519
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520 =======================================
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521 NOW ON WITH THE SERIOUS STUFF...IT'S GETTING GOOD
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522 ====================================================
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523 KRIST ON A KRUTCH, WILL INFERIOR PEOPLE EVER STOP DIALING UP THIS SYSTEM
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524 AND PATRONISING US REGARDING OUR METHODS AND SUBJECTS OF DEBATE?!!!??.,
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525 PROBABLY NOT......
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526
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527 DEAR MERLYN IN PARTICULAR: NOBODY HERE IS IMPRESSED BY YOUR LEAVING
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528 150 LINES OF FRENCH POETRY YOU DIDN'T WRITE ON A DISK THAT HAS LIMITED
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529 SPACE, CHUMP. LEAVE US SOMETHING ORIGINAL, IF IT NEEDS TO BE OVER A FEW
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530 LINES. GIVE US SOMETHING GOOD, AND SOMEBODY HERE MIGHT CARE WHAT YOU
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531 THINK ABOUT ANYTHING WE HERE HAVE TO SAY. SO FAR YOUR MESSAGES HAVE BEEN
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532 PURE ADOLESCENT TRIPE.
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533
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534 DEAR MERLYN #2 : PLEASE GO AHEAD AND USE MERLYN #1'S NAME. IT'S TOO GOOD
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535 A NAME FOR HIM.
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536
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537 LEONARD: BEING ABLE TO GRIPE ABOUT BEING LIED TO IS *NOT* AS GOOD AS
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538 EVERYBODY HAVING ACCURATE INFORMATION ABOUT THE NATION AND THE WORLD.
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539 WHEN THE POWERS THAT BE SUCCEED IN LYING TO YOU, THEY GET THE KIND
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540 OF RESULTS, THE KIND OF WORLD, THAT THEY WANT. OR THINK THEY WANT. AND
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541 YOU GET THE SHAFT.
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542
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543 TO SOMEBODY ABOVE: YOU DON'T NEED TO READ EVERY THING PUBLISHED IN THIS
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544 COUNTRY TO GET A BETTER VEIW, YOU NEED TO READ THE PRESS OF OTHER COUNTRIES
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545 (ALWAYS KEEPING IN MIND WHICH AXE, IF ANY, IS BEING GROUND).
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546 A GOOD FIRST SOURCE IS THE "WORLD PRESS IN REVEIW" MAGAZINE, FORMERLY
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547 ATLAS MAGAZINE. THE HAVE ARTICLES EVERY MONTH FROM THE PRESS IN EVERY
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548 COUNTRY. SOMETIMES THIS MAGAZINE CAN BE A REAL EYE OPENER. ANOTHER
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549 GOOD SOURCE IS THE LONDON SUNDAY TIMES. READING THE PRESS OF NEUTRAL
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550 COUNTRIES LIKE SWEDEN AND SWITZERLAND CAN BE EVEN MORE ENLIGHTENING,
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551 ALTHOUGH IMPOSSIBLE FOR MOST PEOPLE OTHER THAN THROUGH FACILITIES
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552 LIKE "WORLD PRESS IN REVEIW".
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553 ALSO, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF MAGAZINES INTENDED FOR GOVERNMENT
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554 FUNCTIONARIES IN THE STATE DEPT AND FOR ACADEMICS, DOD TYPES AND
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555 SO ON THAT ARE VALUABLE BECAUSE THE ESTABLISHMENT DOESN'T LIE TO ITSELF
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556 AS OFTEN AS IT LIES TO YOU. THESE ARE "FOREIGN POLICY" AND "FOREIGN
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557 AFFAIRS" MAGAZINES.
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558 MANY OF THE ABOVE ARE AVAILABLE AT RICH'S CIGAR STORE AT 9TH AND S.W.
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559 ALDER.
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560 ALSO, CANADIAN BROADCASTING CORPORATION NEWS IS AVAILABLE FROM
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561 KPBS AT ABOUT 4 TO 6 OCLOCK EVERY DAY (ABOUT 14 OR 15 HUNDRED AM ON THE
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562 DIAL OF YOUR CAR RADIO, GOOD FOR FREEWAY LISTENING WHEN DRIVING HOME)
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563 I THINK IT WOULD BE USEFUL FOR THE PURPOSE OF DISCUSSING THE AMERICAN
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564 PRESS AND THE FOREIGN PRESS AS WELL IF WE WOULD ALL GO READ SOME OF THE
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565 FOREIGN PRESS FOR PURPOSES OF COMPARISON. NOT THAT I AM IMPLYING THAT
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566 NOBODY ON THIS BBS EVER DOES. THIS IS QUITE AN OPEN MINDED GROUP,
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567 AT LEAST AS A GROUP.
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568 BY THE WAY, IF THE RUSSIAN PRESS ALWAYS LIED, WE WOULDN'T HIRE HUNDREDS
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569 OF PEOPLE FOR THE SECURITY SERVICES TO TRANSLATE THEIR MAGAZINES, WOULD
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570 WE? OUR MILITARY ANALYSTS OFTEN QUOTE RUSSIAN MILITARY MAGAZINES IN
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571 ARTICLES I READ ABOUT RUSSIAN TACTICS AND POLITICAL THOUGHT.
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572 IN EVERY COUNTRY THERE IS A MIXTURE OF TRUTH AND FICTION IN THE PRESS,
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573 SOME COUNTRIES MORE THAN OTHERS. IT HAPPENS THAT OURS AS WELL AS THE
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574 RUSSIAN'S PRESS IS KNEE DEEP IN DECEPTIVE HORSESHIT, WITH LITTLE
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575 KERNALS OF TRUTH POPPING TO THE SURFACE LIKE LITTLE BITS OF YELLOW
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576 CORN ON A STRICTLY OCCASSIONAL BASIS. THIS MAKES UNDERSTANDING THE
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577 NEWS A FULL TIME JOB ALL BY ITSELF, WHICH IS WHAT THE BASTARDS
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578 COUNT ON, KNOWING WE WON'T TAKE THE TIME TO CUT THROUGH THE CRAP.
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579 THIS IS WHAT KEEPS MOST OF US POOR AND THE LEBANESE, CAMBODIANS,
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580 ETHIOPIANS,,,, DYING IN A WORLD WHERE NONE OF THIS WASTE IS NECESSARY.
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581 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HROTHGAR, THE BAD TEMPERED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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582 #################################
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583 I'M REALLY IMPRESSED! EVERYONE HAS
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584 TAKEN A GOOD LOOK AROUND THEM
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585 AND SEEN ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!
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586 HERE, LET ME EXPLAIN IT TO YOU...
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587 OH, NEVER MIND, YOU WOULDN'T
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588 UNDERSTAND ANYWAY!
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589 ########### THOR #################
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590 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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591 MERLYN THE NEW, YOUR ANALOGY IS INTERESTING, BUT I THINK THE PROBLEM
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592 IS THAT MOST BELIEVE THAT THE TRACKS WON'T END BECAUSE THEY WON'T LOOK. AND
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593 WHILE IT'S TRUE WE MUST NOT ARGUE TOO MUCH ABOUT WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE TRACKS,
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594 IF WE DON'T DISCUSS THE PROBLEM BEFORE ATTEMPTING TO DO SOMETHING, WE MAY
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595 FIND OURSELVES LAYING THE WRONG GAUGE TRACK, OR WORSE YET, FIGHTING AMONGST
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596 OURSELVES OVER WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT ALL. ACTION IS INDEED IMPORTANT, BUT
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597 BLIND UNPLANNED ACTION CAN BE COUNTERPRODUCTIVE.
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598 BAD, MY BLACK MOOD HAS BEEN DEVELOPING SLOWLY OVER THE LAST 2 YEARS ON
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599 THIS SUBJECT, BUT I THINK IT WAS BROUGHT TO A HEAD RECENTLY BY ONE SPECIFIC
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600 EVENT. MAYOR KOCH OF NEW YORK WROTE A LETTER TO CAP WEINBERGER, ASKING HIM
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601 WHY HIS RECENT TRIP TO BEIRUT HAD BEEN KEPT FROM THE AMERICAN NEWS MEDIA. A
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602 SIMPLE THING, ONE MIGHT THINK, EXCEPT MAYOR KOCH THEN FOUND CAP HAD GOTTEN
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603 THE F.B.I. TO START AN INVESTIGATION OF HIM PERSONALLY AND TO FIND OUT HOW
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604 HE GOT THE INFORMATION. KOCH WAS OUTRAGED, AS HE MERELY READ IT IN AN ARAB
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605 NEWSPAPER BOUGHT AT A NEW YORK BOOKSTORE! ONCE AGAIN, ONE EVENT ONLY, BUT
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606 COMBINED WITH EVERYTHING ELSE, THEY DEMONSTRATE A SENSE OF PARANOIA AND A
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607 REAL ANTIPATHY TOWARDS BOTH THE PRESS AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BY THIS AD-
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608 MINISTRATION.
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609 HROTHGAR, YOU ARE QUITE CORRECT. WE MUST REMAIN INFORMED, AND FROM ALL
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610 ENDS OF THE SPECTRUM. SO OFTEN, I FIND THE INFORMATION I RECEIVE FROM THE
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611 PRESS OF ALL SIDES TO BE BIASED AND SLANTED, FAVORING THE VIEW THAT PUTS
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612 THEIR OWN EDITORIAL POSITION IN THE BEST LIGHT. I ALWAYS TRY TO REMEMBER
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613 WHAT THE POINT OF VIEW A MAGAZINE OR PAPER HAS, OR IF THERE IS ANY POSSIBLE
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614 CONFLICT OF INTEREST (SUCH AS JUST ABOUT ANY REPORTING OF STRIKES OR UNION
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615 ACTIVITY. AFTER ALL, EVEN THE "FREE PRESS" IS A BUSINESS) AND INTERPRET IT'S
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616 REPORTING ACCORDINGLY. IT'S NOT A FOOLPROOF SYSTEM, BUT IT HELPS ME TO SEP-
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617 ARATE THE WHEAT FROM THE CHAFF A LITTLE.BUT SOMETIMES, IT'S JUST NOT ENOUGH.
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618 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]PAM.[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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619 ************************************************************
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620 THE ADVANTAGE OF BEING A CISTOP IS THAT YOU CAN BE THE LAST ONE
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621 ON A DISK EVEN WHEN THERE WAS NO ROOM.
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622 SORRY PAM, I COULDN'T HELP MYSELF! EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE
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623 I GET THESE WILD URGES TO DO THIS SORT OF THING.
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624 I WAS ON CLEANING UP DRIVE A TO OPEN UP A LITTLE MORE ROOM TO
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625 HOLD IT OFF TIL I GOT HOME, AND JUST COULDN'T HELP TACKING THIS ON
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626 TO DRIVE B. SIGH... FORGIVE ME? .........................
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627 ************ CISTOP MIKEY **************************
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