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1 If you are in need of help, you need but ask....
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2 ********************* REMOVED: 11 JUN 83 ***************************
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3 Welcome to BWMS (BackWater Message System) Mike Day System operator
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4 ************************************************************
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5 GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION PLACED ON
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6 THIS SYSTEM.
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7 BWMS was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS is a privatly owned
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8 and operated system which is currently open for use by the general public.
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9 No restrictions are placed on the use of the system.
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12 right to remove any and all messages which I may find offensive
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13 to me. Additionally because of the limited size of the system, it will be
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14 periodically purged of older messages. (only 629 lines of data can be saved)
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15 The saved information will be cycled to drive 'B' while the information on
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16 drive 'B' will be archived, and a fresh disk will be installed in drive 'A'.
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17 To leave a message, type 'ENTER' and use ctrl/C or break to get out
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18 of the enter mode. The message is automaticly stored.
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19 If after entering the message you find you made a mistake,
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20 use the replace command to replace the line.
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21 To exit from the system, type 'OFF' then hang up.
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22 Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system.
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23 ========================================
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24
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25 In any race that upward strives in thought
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26 But few there are who lead the way
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27 All wxo view them know they ought
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28 The same life's role to play.
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29
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30 He rose sublime in ways of mind,
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31 He shows the way for us behind.
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32 His light shines out for any race,
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33 He did what few of us could face.
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34
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35 Not by deeds but bravely done
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36 He saves our spirit, struggle won.
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37 What means freedom? How to brave it?
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38 He risked his only death to save it.
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39
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40 In silvery flash of his swift passage,
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41 The fear he brought, the hope that came.
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42 He swiftly sows his truth of message,
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43 To scorn the paths of meaning tame.
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44
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45 #################################################################
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46 DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO REACH BILL MARKS? IF SO -HAVE HIM CALL
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47 RANDY KULBE CONCERNING BOB KULBE AND SOFTWARE.
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48 THANK YOU::::::::::::::::::6-3-83::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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49 ###################################################################
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50
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51 A LETTER IS
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52 A SHIP OF WORDS
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53 THAT LETS THE NEWS
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54 OF FRIENDS BE HEARD
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55 SO MAY THIS MESSAGE
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56 HAVE A PLESANT TRIP
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57 AND REACH YOU AS
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58 A TRUE FRIENDS SHIP.
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59 *********************************************************************.OFF
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60 OFF
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61 ===========================================================
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62 I do not choose to be a common man; it is my right to be uncommon...
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63 if I can.
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64 I seek opportunity...not security.
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65 I do not wish to be a kept citizen, humbled and dulled by having the
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66 state look after me.
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67 I want to take the calculated risk, to dream and to build, to fail and
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68 to succeed.
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69 I refuse to barter incentive for a dole.
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70 I prefer the challenges to the guaranteed existence, the thrill of
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71 fulfillment to the false calm of Utopia.
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72 I will not trade freedom for beneficence nor my dignity for a handout.
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73 I will never cower before any master nor bend to any threat.
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74 It is my heritage to stand erect, proud and unafraid; to think and act
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75 for myself; to enjoy the benefit of my creations and to face the world
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76 boldly.
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77 I will protect these beliefs from incursions, on any front, with the full
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78 substance of my being...every time, without whimper or waiver.
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79 ========================== Think on this, folks =========================
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80 #########################################################################
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81
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82
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83 HI THERE ALL YOU PEROPLE OUT IN CRT LAND. WHAT ARE YOU ALL DOING TONIGHT?
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84
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85 IF YOU CANT FLY DONT.
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89 KEV
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90
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91 ################################################################################
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92
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93 ------------------------
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94
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95 TRON:
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96
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97 I WOULD BE VERY INTERESED IN PERSUING THE IDEA OF FORMING A LARGE COMPANY...
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98 AS OF NOW, I ONLY HAVE ONE OTHER PERSON WORKING WITH ME.
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99
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102 AND PASSwORDS WAS DESTROYED BY A MALFUNCTIONING COMPUTER (TRS-80).
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103 THE PASSwORD USE TO BE MADE UP OF CONTROL CHARACTERS AND REQUIRED A PROGRAM
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104 TO LOG ON...
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105 THE PROGRAM REQUIRED YOU TO TYPE IN THE FOLLOWING:
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106
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107 SYSTEM MANAGER 3.1415926535
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108
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109 AND WHEN YOU WERE LOGGED ON TO THE CORVUS STORAGE SySTEM YOU HAD TO TYPE:
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111 DG1029
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112
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113 AS THE SECOND PASSWORD.
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114
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115 BUT, AS OF TODAY, THIS IS ALL DIFFERENT...
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116
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117 ONE LAST WORD, I WAS ALSO CONSIDERING A TRS-80 MODEL 16. I wAS BOND BY THE
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118 SAME RESTRICTION...PRICE; UNTIL...
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119
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120 LAST MONTH I ATTENDED NORTHCON/83 AT THE COLISIUM. THE GUY AT THE MOTOROLA
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121 EXIBIT GAVE ME A 68000 AND TWO 68008` MICROPROCESSORS-I MAY MAKE MY OWN
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122 COMPUTER...
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124 ALSO: A WORD TO THOSE DISCUSSING LIGHT AND SOUND:
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126 IT IS ALL RELATIVE...
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127
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128 THE SySM.
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131 To: Sysm and Einstien enthusiasts From: Tron Re: E=MC2
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133 All true! I had a friend that told me that you couldn't
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134 go past or ever get to the speed of light. It went something
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135 like this:
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136 You travel faster and faster. The atoms that are being used
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137 up as exhaust is being spitted out the back and makes your ship
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138 more massive. Massive in mass pack not massive big. So, it takes
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139 more and more fuel to get you faster and faster until finally
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140 you get infinitely small. Is this true? It sounds kinda true but
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141 there are a few things that don't really make sense.
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142 I don't see how time could go faster for someone else while
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143 on you, time goes real slow.
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144
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145 Tron
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146 ----------
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147 To: SYSM From: Tron Re: All sorts of things
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148
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149 David,
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150 Well, TRS-80 computers aren't the best computers in the world.
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151 All computers have their faults.
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152 I really haven't opened up a store or even tried to. I have
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153 another friend that is going to help me make a mainframe machine.
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154 He is also trying to start his own software company. My dad
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155 is a real-estate agent. He could track down and locate a good
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156 place to start one. The computer I wish to make consists of a
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157 8085A Microprocessor with 512 onboard memory. Then there will
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158 be 10 hard disks that store about 500 megabytes each; making a
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159 total of 5 billion bytes. Think that's enough? Also, lets talk
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160 on the PMS or something. This is not a real private place.
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161
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162 Tron
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163 ----------
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164 -----
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165 Tron, I didn't QUITE explain it like that...
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166 -----
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169 I THINK EVERONE SHOULD ALL GET TOGETHER AND TRY
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170 TO DEVELOP A GENERAL LAW SO WE CAN GET ALL THIS
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171 SOUND AND SPEED STUFF OUT OF THE WAY.!.!
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172 I HEAR ALOT OF TALK, AND SOME FACTS(FINALLY),
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173 BUT STILL--I THINK ALOT OF PEOPLE ARE TALKING
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174 OF THE TOP OF THEIR HEADS! I NEVER KNEW
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175 THEIR WERE SO MANY EINSTEINS OUT THERE.
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176 I THOUGHT THIS WORLD WAS LACKING IN
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177 SCIENTIFIC KNOWLEDGE, BUT WE HAVE MORE
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178 THEN ONE MILLION PROFESSIONAL
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179 SCIENTISTS OUT THERE RIGHT NOW!!
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180 ASIMOV BETTER WATCH HIS TAIL!! WE
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181 GONE.
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183 ZEUS-WATCHING THE HEAVENS...
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184 AND WOMEN TOO.
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185 **==**==**==
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186
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187 ----------
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188 Pion, enter the correct one. I didn't mean to make a fool of
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189 yourself. Even the above looks right. I have miss-printed it.
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190 Sorry about that. Hey, if you would, will you print the correct
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191 junk on here? I'd really appreciate it. Thanks.....
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192
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193
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194 Tron
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195 ----------
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196 TRON:
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197 BASICLY THATS THE WAY IT GOES. BY THE TIME YOU GET UP NEXT TO LIGHTSPEED
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198 YOU HAVE TO CONVERT ALL OF YOUR MASS TO ENERGY TO GO ANY FASTER.. WHICH OF
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199 COURSE MEANS THERE'S NOTHING LEFT OF YOU TO GO FASTER....
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200 NOW LETS CONSIDER SOME IMPLICATIONS HERE .. FIRST WHAT IF YOU UNBALANCE
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201 THE EQUATION. THAT IS WHAT IF YOU COULD 'BORROW' ENERGY FROM SOMEPLACE
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202 ELSE? (I DON'T KNOW WHERE, I AM JUST POSING THE QUESTION) THE USUALL
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203 RESPONSE I GET IS THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE, BUT THEY GENERALLY FALL INTO
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204 A FIT OF DON'T ASK THAT QUESTION IT'S NOT PROPER WHEN I PUSH IT.
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205 (I TEND TO LIKE TO PUSH PEOPLE LIKE THAT WHEN THEY SAY SOMETHING IS
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206 NOT POSSIBLE, FIND A POSSIBLE WAY AROUND THE PROBLEM AND SEE HOW THEY
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207 REACT WHETHER THE MEANS AROUND THE PROBLEM IS DOABLE OR NOT. AT LEAST
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208 IT GETS THEM THINKING.) ANOUTHER SIDE OF THE EQUATION YOU CAN FOOL
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209 WITH IS THE MASS. THE PROBLEM HERE IS THAT IT CONTINUES TO INCREASE
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210 AS YOU INCREASE YOUR SPEED. SO WHAT IF YOU WERE TO PREVENT THE MASS
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211 FROM INCREASING? HUH? AGAIN THE RESPONSE IS THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE DON'T
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212 ASK SUCH STUPID QUESTIONS. BUT IT DOES REMAIN AN OUT IF YOU COULD
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213 FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT. NOW I'M NOT ADVOCATING THAT ALL THIS IS
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214 POSSIBLE WITH TODAYS UNDERSTANDING OF PHYSICS, I'M JUST POINTING
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215 OUT AREAS WHERE IT IS WEAK AND SOME HOLES MIGHT BE FOUND.
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216 IF YOU CAN'T PROPERLY EXPLAIN IN LAYMANS TERMS WHY SOMETHING IS NOT
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217 SO, THEN YOU PROBABLY DON'T UNDERSTAND IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
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218 ONE ASPECT THAT I DIDN'T COVER IS THE TIME CHANGE FACTOR. THIS ALSO
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219 IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH. BASICLY IT SAYS THAT AS YOUR
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220 SPEED INCREASES TIME SLOWS DOWN. THIS MEANS THAT BY THE TIME WE
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221 GET NEAR TO THE SPEED OF LIGHT AN INFINATE AMOUNT OF TIME WILL
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222 HAVE PASSED MEANING THAT OUR TIME IS UP AND WE CAN'T GET THERE IN
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223 TIME ANYWAY SO WHAT'S THE POINT? I TEND TO HAVE OTHER FEELINGS
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224 IN REGARD TO THIS WHOLE MESS, IT IS BASED ON RELATIVITY AND THE
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225 HIESENBURG PRINCIPLE, BUT I GENERALLY DON'T DICUSS IT BECAUSE
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226 IF YOU THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF ARGUING GENERATED ABOUT SPEED
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227 YOU SHOULD SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN TIME COMES INTO THE PICTURE.
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228 ANOTHER QUOTE, THE GREATER THE ARGUMENT THE GREATER THE CHANCE
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229 THAT NOBODY KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.
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230 REMEBER WHAT I TOLD YOU ABOUT PAINTING DOORS ON BRICK WALLS.
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231 SINCE ALL MOTIVE FORCE EQUATIONS INCLUDING THOSE RELATING TO
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232 THE RELATIVITY QUESTION INVOLVES RELEASING SOME OF YOUR MASS
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233 AS ENERGY TO INCREASE YOUR SPEED. CONSIDER THAT THIS ALL
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234 REACTIVE FORCE YOU CAN NEVER GET THERE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO
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235 USE UP EVERYTHING TRYING. SO WHAT IF YOU WERE TO USE A CREATIVE
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236 FORCE? THEN YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO USE UP YOUR MASS GETTING THERE
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237 OF COURSE ALL THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE BY TODAYS PHYSICS, BUT IF
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238 SOMEONE DOES COME UP WITH A CREATIVE FORCE INSTEAD OF THE REACTIVE
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239 ONE. THEN AT LEAST ONE PART OF THE PROBLEM IS SOLVED.
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240 (WE STILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE INCREASING MASS AND TIME PROBLEMS.)
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241 WITH REACTIVE FORCE YOU CAN ONLY GO AS FAST AS THE REACTION CAN TAKE
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242 PLACE. SINCE THE MAXIMUM SPEED OF A REACTION IS THE SPEED OF LIGHT WE
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243 CAN ONLY GO THIS FAST. WITH CREATIVE FORCE THERE IS NO MAXIMUM SPEED
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244 BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT DEALING WITH A PAST REACTION, BUT RATHER A FUTURE ONE.
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245 OH YES, I SHOULD SAY HERE THAT CREATIVE FORCE BY TODAYS PHYSICS IS
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246 IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE IT GOES COUNTER TO THE ENTROPHY THEORY.
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247 WELL, ENOUGH OF THIS JUNK. I SAID TOO MUCH ALREADY......
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248 ***** CISTOP MIKEY BABELING ON AGAIN *** 3 JUN 83 *** 10:00PM *******
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249 Who cares if we can't travel at nearly the speed of light? We really
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250 don't want to anyhow. The equations (if they work at all, which obviously
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251 hasn't been tested) only say the mass becomes something times the
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252 square root of -1 when you go faster than light. The only trouble
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253 exists at C, or near it. This is a problem only if to get to faster
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254 we have to through C, and who says speed needs to be continous?
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255 Every thing else isn't: they are quantized.
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256 That square root of -1 isn't really that scary either, all electronics
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257 people use it every day, or at least any time they deal with AC.
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258 Edison beleived that AC was useless because the average current was 0.
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259 Which is correct, but POWER is the product of the instantaneous current
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260 times the voltage at the same time; since they each go negative at the
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261 same time, it is always positive. (Unless there is phase shift, and then
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262 that square root of minus 1 comes in) In any case Tesla was right, and
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263 Edison wrong, so we use AC every day.
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264
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265 More exotic physics: I read that a particle said to be the link that
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266 carries the combination electromagnetic-weak nuclear force has been separated
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267 out and detected. This required tremendous energy, and the particle
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268 is very heavy. Would someone please explain how a very heavy particle
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269 is the glue that hold together much lighter particles?
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270
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271 Next question: once all of reality is described by one simple equation,
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272 does this make reality any simpler?
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273 >>> Don't be ridiculous, the equations for electromagnetic waves have
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274 been around for some time, and there is still good money being made
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275 designing radio antennas, because even if the equation applies, it
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276 isn't obvious, or even visible how to apply it in other than the
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277 simplest geometries.
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278 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++B.A.D.++++++++++++++++
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279 Maybe I shouldn't have read disc B.
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280 The common belief that "I don't understand it, therefore it is not true."
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281 is very wrong. The fact that many people believe something doesn't make
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282 it true (or false either). Relativity is only a way to describe the world
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283 we live in, more accurrately than say, Newtonian physics; but even these
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284 are to complex for many people. The only way to find out if something is
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285 true is to try it. For a description of a black hole, it may be hard to
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286 do, because we haven't found one yet, at least not for sure & so we aren't
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287 really sure what they look like, but unless our understanding of reality
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288 is wrong they do exist, and we can make some pretty good guesses what
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289 they are like. We really do know a lot about reality. Although is can
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290 be argued that all is illusion, this is a self defeating arguement, and
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291 we all act as if we understand our environment enough to keep our fingers
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292 out of the fire, or out of in front of a moving car.
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293
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294 In a Newtonian frame, the energy of a moving object is
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295 E=1/2*M*V^2
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296 If you move fast enough, the mass changes with the speed.
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297 E=M*C^2 gives the energy in the rest mass of an object, or in fact, the
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298 total energy o a moving one.
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299 The possibility of travel near the speed of light is pretty small, even
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300 if relativity is ignored (it can be until you get very close to c) simply
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301 because of the energy involved.
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302 You don't believe me? figure out the cost of electricity to accelerate
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303 yourself (without any extra weight for space ship, food, air, etc) to
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304 3/4 c. The add in the fact that it takes a car about 10 time your weight
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305 to get you to only 55 mph, and extrapolate that weight to a spaceship
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307 Unless I made some simple error, it would cost only about $30 billion
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308 for enough electricity to get me to 3/4 c. Using Newtonian rather than
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309 the full Lorentz equation for energy gives about 2% error. Oh, by
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310 the way, Eienstein isn't the only person who studied the effects of
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311 traveling near the speed of light, he only tried to put together what
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312 a lot of others already knew.
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314 B.A.D. asked how massive particles can be the 'glue' that holds together
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315 smaller particles. Well, in layman's terms, here goes. Actually, the
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316 Z-Zero particle discovered (at least announced) a few days ago carries
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317 the weak force between particles. This force is much less powerful
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318 than the Strong Force, which is carried by (I believe) the Pi Meson,
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319 and the electromagnetic force, which is carried by the photon.
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320 It turns out that a vacuum isn't really a vacuum, after all.
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321 Such things as 'virtual particles' exist, which means that for an
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322 instant (or slightly longer) a particle and an antiparticle come into
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323 existance where nothing existed before, and usually annihilate them-
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324 selves an instant afterwards. Impossible, you say? Not really, the
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325 Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle allows this, if the uncertainty
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326 in the mass (size of particle) multiplied by the time (length of
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327 duration) doesn't exceed a particular amount.
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328 The more massive a particle is, the shorter a time it is likely
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329 to exist, and less probable, too. This means that heavy particles cause
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330 weak forces, and light particles cause strong forces (very simplified
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331 generalization).
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332 The Weak Force is still stronger by a wide margin that gravitational
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333 force, so the graviton, if it exists, should be discovered much later.
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335
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336 I THINK I JUST DISCOVERED A BLACK HOLE. YES, I'M SURE I DID. THERE IT IS,
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337 RIGHT OVER THERE? SEE IT? IT'S SOOOO BLACK! WOW. HOW DO I KNOW IT'S A
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338 BLACK HOLE? WELL, FIRST OF ALL, IT'S BLACK, AND IT CERTAINLY LOOKS LIKE A
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339 BLACK HOLE. IT SMELLS LIKE A BLACK HOLE. IT SOUNDS LIKE A BLACK HOLE.
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340 I THINK I'LL GET CLOSER AND SEE IF IT FEELS LIKE A BLACK HOLE... YES, I'M
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341 REALLY CLOSE NOW..... I CAN DEFINITELY SAY THAT IT STILL LOOKS LIKE A
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342 BLACK HOLE.... IT EVEN FEELS LIKE
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343 A BL
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344 AC
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345 K
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348 L
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351 O O
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352 O O
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353 O O
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354 OOOOOOOO
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355 (SLURP)
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356 --------------------------------------------------------------------
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357 Ahh, At last you begin to think! Instead of monotoning your mantra
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358 "It's impossible. It' impossible. It's impossible. It's impossible."
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359 you are now looking at the possiblities of how you could do something
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360 if you could take care of some aspect. This is how science advances.
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361 I see someone out there is keeping up to date on the lastest happenings.
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362 instead of quoting from text books out of college from 'a few years ago'.
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363 (Which were probably a few more years older then that.) Bravo! At least
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364 you maintain a true intestest in that which you discuse. I also see
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365 that someone is looking at ways to get around anther part of the equation
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366 which I had not discused. that being the speed of light constant. Making
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367 the constant a variable I have to admit is an intestesting aproach.
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368 I was begining to wonder if there was anyone left in this world who
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369 could think and question the existing of the world.
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370 ** CISTOP MIKEY APPLUDING YOU *** 4 JUN 83 *** 10:21AM ***************
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371 >>>>>>> Reluctant to interrupt such a high-level conversation...! <<<<<<<
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372 ############################################################################!
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373 WHAT ARE PEOPLES OPINIONS ON THE ARTICLE IN BUSINESS WEEK 6-6-83 CONCERN
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374 ING THE USE OF SILICON DISCS(2 1/2 IN)WITH FULL PRINTED CIRCUITS AND
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375 BACK UP INSTEAD OF A BATTERY OF MICRO CHIPS(TRILOGY SYSTEMS CORP.)?????????
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376 **********************************************************************
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377 Ahh.. Milady, your voice is always welcome here. Come pull up a chair
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378 and rest your feet. We can talk of other things, for we only banter
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379 in the joy of friendship.
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380 *********** Innkeeper **************** 12:01PM ***** 4 JUN 83 *******
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381 Another piece of nonsense about dragons:
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382 First Chinese woman: 'I want a man with one Dragon on his chest'.
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383 Second Chinese woman: 'I want a man with two Dragons on his chest'.
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384 Third Chinese woman: 'I want a man with one draggin' on the ground'.
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385
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386 Sorry about that one, just read it somewhere.....
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387 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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388 IT WAS HERE! THE DISK ON WHICH IT WAS HAS SINCE BEEN ARCHIVED......
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389 .......................................................
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390 ----------
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391 To: All From: Tron Re: Stuff
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392 I am also a person that likes to find ways out of "impossible"
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393 situations. But, I have a big question. Why doesn't the mass you
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394 use up go flying out into space instead of attaching itself to
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395 you and making you more massive? Just curious.......
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396
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397 Tron
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398 ----------
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399 Ok you mental midgets and pea-brains. If you can't understand
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400 science that's ok with me, just don't spread nonsense about
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401 your view of relativity around here. Facts are facts, even
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402 if you can't comprehend them. Your agreement is totally
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403 unnecessary and pointless, and some day you will find that
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404 out.
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405 You may feel a need to 'do the impossible.' I do to,
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406 except that I am capable of realizing when something is
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407 impossible because of physical laws, as opposed to it being
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408 impossible simply because people say it's impossible.
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409 The whole discussion has been a 'tempest in a teapot' as
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410 far as I'm concerned. Until I hear some more accurate statements
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411 being made concerning this subject, my opinion will not change.
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412 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
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413 I just saw the movie Wargames. Ok, with a few exceptions. How about a
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414 new discussion topic, common misrepresentations of computers in literature
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415 (especially movies).
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416 In Wargames, the war simulation computer (WOPR) was portrayed like
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417 the typical 1950's computer, with banks of lights flashing on and off.
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418 I ask you, since when have computers been built with long rows of
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419 flashing lights? True, many computers have very small front panels with
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420 lights, but I don't know of anything built within the last 15 years that
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421 has a lot of lights. Question: So why are computers portrayed this way?
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422 Second, the idiots who wrote the movie found it necessary to give
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423 the computer a synthesized voice. Since when does any computer need a
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424 voice? What was particularly stupid was the fact that the though the
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425 voice was actually generated by the kid's Votrax (or whatever) the
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426 voice showed up 500 miles from the guy's house.
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427 Unfortunately, movie producers don't realize (or perhaps they
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428 do...) that a computer's appearance is usually quite boring (no
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429 flashing lights or voice). To us, the computer cognoscenti, this is
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430 not surprising, but to someone trying to make a movie to appeal to
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431 the ignoramus masses, they have to embellish the truth.
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432 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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433 You speak of 'physical laws' yet the theory of relativity is not
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434 a 'law' if you look real close you will see the word 'theory' in the
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435 phrase 'theory of relativity'. The reason that it is still a theory and
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436 not a law is because it has not been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt
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437 to be true, nor does it have other supportive laws for proof to lead it
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438 to being a law. I would suggest you get your own facts straight sir.
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439 I will stop with my blather in regard to relativity, as those who
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440 would listen have, and those who would not still have not. It is a
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441 shame though that there are those out there who refuse to consider
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442 the impossible just because someone in authority says it is.
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443 Despite the fact that the very theories they are holding so precariously
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444 were obtained by questioning the impossible to begin with. -- sigh --
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445 Authority: Someone other then yourself; The greater the distance
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446 the greater the power of that authority. A quote from a friend of mine.
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447 **** CISTOP MIKEY ** THE END ** 11:20PM ***** 4 JUN 83 ************
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448 To whoever asked why computers are shown in the movies with flashing
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449 lights: I think you answered it yourself, a black or blue box is dull.
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450
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451 Who blathers about something being a "theory" rather than "physical law"?
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452 There is no diference. We see something, and guess about why it happened.
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453 At first this is called a suggestion (or some such, there isn't any good
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454 term for a first guess), then after it is a little better accepted, it
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455 acquires the more high-faluting name of theory. (It helps to be hard
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456 to understand if you want to be called a theory.) After a while, it is
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457 even better accepted and if noone complains to loudly it is called a
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458 law of nature, or some such. The real difference between guess, theory,
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459 and law is the gulibility of the speaker.
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460
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461 For example:
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462 For a long time it was known that the world was flat. (Maybe it curved up
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463 a little at the edges) Every ones experince agreed with this, and no
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464 experiments disproved it. It was true. ::: Time passed, and knowlege
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465 incresased, including some things that implied the world was not flat.
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466 <Ships slowly fading from view, the shadow on the moon during eclipse,etc>
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467 It was then theorized that the Earth was round. Saying this was heretical,
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468 thou, and dangerous at first, but it came to be truth. BUT, it is now
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469 known that the Earth is not a sphere at all, but slightly flattened at the
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470 poles, and somewhat pinched in the northern hemisphere. It even changes
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471 with the tides....Truth never changed, but our perceptions did.
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472 Now if something was ever true about the universe, it is still true today,
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473 so how did the flat earth become round? It didn't. In fact, a flat earth
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474 theory is a very good description of the world most of us live in, it is
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475 only very rarely that we experince the curvature of the earth, and the
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476 deviations from a sphere are very rarely important unless you are targeting
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477 ICBM's. The flat earth is actually better: it is easier to visualize.
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478 Of course the time may come when you need more accuracy, but it won't
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479 affect a state road map, and when you need it, then accept that your
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480 earlier description was only an approximation, and use a better approx.
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481 Eventually you will realize that all descriptions os reality, whether you
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482 call them theories, laws, or whatever, are just approximations.
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483 Hey, Mike, I can type almost as good as you, only about 1 typo per line.
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484
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485 Thanks for the stuff on the heavy particles.
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486 .............................................B.A.D.......Jun 5,83,,0036 am....
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487 Milady of dragons,
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488 The project is complete. The words have now formed and they say that
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489 one and a half of the kings inches do they hold. The words they shall
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490 fly on the Monday here after and with hope they will soon to meet the
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491 destination towards which they are bound.
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492 *** ye old Innkeeper of the Backwater Inn *** 1:03AM *** 6 Jun 83 *****
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493 Tron: Light does slow down when going thru any transparent medium
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494 other than a vacuum. In fact the index of refraction is the ratio
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495 of the speed in a vacuum to the speed in the substance (Ir=Sv/Ss)
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496 Some interesting effects occur when a particle exceeds this
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497 lowered speed of light. The speed of light that can't be exceeded
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498 (we think) is the speed of light in a vacuum.
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499 As to the mass increase, it doesn't come from the mass you
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500 used up. It comes from the mere fact that you are travelling at
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501 high speed. EVERYONE PLEASE NOTE!! Science is supposed to explain
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502 what & how, NOT WHY!! Also, at high speeds YOU wouldn't think
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503 YOUR mass had increased! YOU would think that the mass of the
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504 rest of the universe had increased. There are some EXTREMELY
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505 far-out suggestions that some of the braver physicists have made
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506 that lead to many "impossible" things. All the talk about the
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507 flat earth makes me wonder how much history they know. The
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508 GREEKS knew the earth was round (they even figured out a very
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509 close value for the diameter). Proofs didn't really enter into
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510 things until the late 1600s. In fact you could almost say that
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511 "science" didn't exist until then. In any case, any new theory
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512 has to include both Newtonian & Einsteinian physics as special
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513 cases that apply to the areas in which they have been tested.
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514 General relativity may not be totally correct but some things
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515 it has predicted have been measured. One of the stranger ones
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516 is the frequency shift in a laser beam traveling against the
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517 earth's gravity.
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518 On that bit about spinning masses & gravity, what I
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519 THINK he may have been talking about is called "dragging the
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520 metric". This is where a (VERY) massive object creates "gravity-
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521 like" forces by (in effect) dragging the fabric of space-time
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522 along with it when it moves. Some "anti-gravity" devices have
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523 been designed using this effect (or a similar one predicted by
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524 NEWTONIAN physics!). Unfortunately, you need something rather
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525 denser than neutronium to build them.
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526 Have you heard of the idea that the entire UNIVERSE
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527 may be a black hole? The bigger the radius of a black hole
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528 the less dense it needs to be.
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529 ______________________________________________
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530 p.s. to B.A.D. or Mikey (I forget which of you made the comment)
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531 As far as can be told from what we know right now, questions
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532 like "what if we kept the mass from increasing" are ALMOST in
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533 the same league as "what if blue was red". Note I said "almost"
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534 you would get a slightly better response if you said "what if
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535 we could neutralize the mass increase". (There IS a difference,
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536 one is like saying "what if gravity didn't exist" & the other is
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537 "what if we could neutralize gravity". The difference between a
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538 TOTALLY impossible premise & a THEORETICALLY impossible premise!)
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539 As someone said "to successfully replace a modern scientific
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540 theory, you must FIRST be an expert with the theory you wish to
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541 replace"
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542 ________________________________________________________________
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543 Oh, wow. MOVIE computers have flshing lights for the same reason that
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544 explosins are big, loud, and exiting in movies. Not accurate, but fun.
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545 Although, my pet peeve has always been the varying pitched beeps in most
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546 low grade and some high grade movie computers. That is, until I heard
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547 the Ben Franklin computer. For real, man: it BEEPS JUST LIKE THE MOVIES,
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548 just not as loud.
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549 ===========================================================================
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550 Yup, yup, yup.
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551 The siderial universe is a very complicated thingamabob and the descrip
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552 tions we poor humans have come up with to keep track of what we see (or think
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553 we see) are getting a might complicated. It's about time a new genious
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554 arises to explain what the heck is going on! Whatever replaces Einstein's
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555 theories as the best description of the universe we live in, will probabbly
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556 not invalidate ol' Alberts rules of order. It will just extend and (hope-
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557 fully) simplify them.
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558 From observation and Theory (capital T means the theory predicts) we
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559 can be reasonably sure that you can't get past the light barrier with a
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560 newtonian rocket ship. Some other way is needed. The only reason a
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561 "Subspace Drive" or "Warp Drive" or "Transmat" can't be built today is
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562 because we don't have the slightest idea how! There doesn't seem to be
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563 any thearetical reason you can't do it except that not often mentioned
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564 fly called "causality", which may have been fixed by a guy in a wheel-
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565 chair in California.
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566 Ramblin' on
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567 the Phantom Glitch
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568
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569 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++6+5+83+++12:00+++++++++++++++
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570 For an interesting article on the subject of the origin of the universe,
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571 check Discover mag, June issue, page 92. It discusses the history back
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572 to 10 e-43 seconds after Big Bang. Including the idea of expanding space,
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573 domain walls in the universe, Higgs fields, etc.
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574 And how about the article in Scientific American a few months ago
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575 that considered the future of the universe, up to about the year 10 e100.
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576
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577 The Discover article suggests that the Universe is one big free
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578 lunch, generated by a semirandom fluctuation of NOTHING. I guess this
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579 means we are all figments of our own non-existant imagination, non-
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580 existantly comtemplating each other's non-existance. Heavy stuff.
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581 Try it. You'll probably not understand it, but you might like it.
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583 THE REASON FOR ALL THE CONFUSION ABOUT THEORIES IS THIS: TO THE LAYMAN,
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584 THE TERM THEORY SUGGESTS AN EXPLANATION WITH LITTLE OR NO PROOF,
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585 GENERATED BEFORE ANY EXPERIMENTS. WHILE TO A SCIENTIST, THEORY MEANS
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586 AN EXPLANATION THAT IS BACKED UP ALREADY BY EXPERIMENT. SO WHEN A
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587 SCIENTIST REFERS TO AN IDEA WHOSE CORRECTNESS IS NOT REALLY IN DOUBT,
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588 HE CALLS IT A THEORY, WHICH IMPLIES TO THE LAYMAN THAT THIS IDEA
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589 IS NOT VERY CERTAIN.
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590 THE 'THEORY OF RELATIVITY' , AND FOR THAT MATTER MANY OTHER THEORIES,
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591 WILL BE CALLED BY THAT NAME LONG AFTER THEY ARE CONSIDERED CERTAIN
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592 BY SCIENTISTS.
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593 UNFORTUNATELY, THIS CONFUSION IS SIEZED BY ANTI-SCIENCE OR
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594 NON-SCIENCE QUACKS, WHO USE IT TO ARGUE THEIR PET IDEAS OF HOW
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595 THE WORLD WORKS. TRIVIA QUESTION: HAS ANYONE EVER HEARD OF
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596 J.W. ECKLIN? IF YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.
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597 ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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598 AHH, I SEE YOU ARE STIL TRYING TO USE THE AUTHORITARIAN APPROACH TO
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599 THE QUESTION. I.E. THIS GUY IS IMPORTANT, AND HE SAYS IT IS TRUE
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600 THEREFOR IT IS! IT IS A SHAME YOU CAN'T THINK FOR YOURSELF.
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602 I would have to disagree with you as to the general usage of the
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603 term 'theory'. In general the theory is created to attempt to
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604 explain the results of the experiment in terms that the
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605 scientists who performed it can understand.
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606 The suggestion as B.A.D. indicated is what caused the experiment to
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607 be done in the first place. The 'law' comes into play after the idea
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608 has been kicking around under foot for so long that nobody has seriously
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609 disagreed with it that it just drifts into being called a law rather then
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610 theory. This however does not make it any more valid then befor. Remember
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611 the law of gravity what goes up must come down is violated almost dayly
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612 by rockets sending things into earth orbit and beyond.
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613 Have you ever heard the answers given by a group of people
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614 who saw some action? Its amazing the variety of answers that
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615 are given. Scientists being human are not exempt from this either.
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623 and includes the Videx firmware ROM.
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629 the universe is a fig newton of your imagination...............................
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