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To      : Fred Remin
[33mFrom    : Warren Hrach
[35mSubject : Re: MM/1 problem
[37mDate    : 96/04/07 15:14:15[33m

              On Saturday, April 6th, 1996 - Fred Remin wrote:
 
FR> I have downloaded a number of games "sokoban, othello etc" but when I
FR> try to run them I get an error.
FR> It keeps on coming up with "can't run "J" error 216.
FR> I do not understand, what is it trying to find?
FR> Also the sokoban game, all I get is the game itself and then the 
FR> message that the archive is damaged, is there more to it than just 
FR> the file "sokoban"?
FR> Are there any books etc that might come in handy for me to find out
FR> where these problems come from and teach me a bit about OSK, I only 
FR> have the CoCo OS9 book at the moment.
 
Fred,
     I checked othello and it runs fine, Did you set the attributes -e
-pe on the module 'othello'.  It needs a mouse to work it and if you put
the pointer on the upper menubar in the word 'othello' you will get a
brief menu.  Sokoban does not seem to be complete as it needs a module
to create the scorefile or something.  Ogre works but it is cumbersom to
learn the keycommands it uses.
     I even rechecked the sokoban archive. Did you use the version of ar
that is V 1.2 ?  It has no other file in the archive.
     You will get a few replies reguarding books for OSK.  I find that
99% of the cmds have a built in help menu, just type say 'dsave -?"
     Make sure the othello you are using is the one here uploaded by
Joel Hegberg.  Try to ident the modules in question and see if the CRC
is good and attributes are set.  How much mfree do you have.
Warren
 
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To      : All
[33mFrom    : Backbone Operations
[35mSubject : Expired Listing
[37mDate    : 96/04/07  00:42:00[33m

Hello.

The listing in the Zone 1 EchoList for this echo has expired.  The Zone 1
Backbone only carries echoes listed in the Zone 1 EchoList, so it will be
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To      : All
[33mFrom    : Warren Hrach
[35mSubject : MM/1 repair rep.
[37mDate    : 96/04/10 13:37:57[33m

For those needing repair work on their MM/1 Ray Patterson
furnishes the following information :


  I became a SWTPC dealer in January 1979 and Hazelwood Helix 
(and Uniquad) dealer a couple of years later.  I have repaired 
electronic equipment since 1955 before I finished high school.  I 
worked my way through Vanderbilt Engineering School as a student 
engineer at WSM-TV in Nashville, TN. and then worked summer vacation
shifts for engineers there as I studied Philosopy and Theology until
1967.
     In recent years I have tried to limit repair to computers and 
industrial controllers; I still repair a few ham rigs.  
     Thanks for you interest and support of OS-9 and MM/1,
          Raymond E. Patterson

For MM/1 computer repair contact directly (do not email to request 
repair):
     Patterson Electronics        
     Hwy. 263 N.                  (501 746 4747  Raymond Patterson)
     Fox, AR 72051 

 
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To      : Dean Leiber
[33mFrom    : Dave Kelly
[35mSubject : OS9 UG Disk/index
[37mDate    : 96/04/08  20:55:00[33m

DL> Hi Dave!
DL>  
DL>   I saw your recent request in the MOTD for help on the index for the
DL> os9UG disk, adn I am more than willing to help, since I have to do
DL> this
DL> anyway for the OS9 CDrom project. If you can, can you put me on the
DL> mailing list or whatever for the disks. I tried the phone number
DL> provided in the MOTD, but it no longer appears to be a good number
DL> (either that or I've forgotten how to dial a phone manually <G>). If
DL> possible please call me at (818) 345-2965. I'm in Calif so please
                                            Dean Leiber
Thanks for the offer to help and I will surely take you up on it. Expect
a call after this weekend as I will be at the fest in Chicago.

I just looked at the number in the MOTD and it is correct. Just that 
my name is not on the answering machine message. I am staying with 
my daughter and son-in-law while I am building a house. 


OS9 Fest in Chicago April 13 and 14, 1996. Make plans now.

___
 * Scribe 4.0 * Emma chisit - The cost of something.

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To      : Warren Hrach
[33mFrom    : Dave Kelly
[35mSubject : Re: MM/1 problem
[37mDate    : 96/04/08  20:59:00[33m

WH>               On Saturday, April 6th, 1996 - Fred Remin wrote:
WH>  
WH> FR> I have downloaded a number of games "sokoban, othello etc" but
WH> when I
WH> FR> try to run them I get an error.
WH> FR> It keeps on coming up with "can't run "J" error 216.

WH>      I checked othello and it runs fine, Did you set the attributes -e
WH> -pe on the module 'othello'.  It needs a mouse to work it and if you

As you suggest he needs to set the attributes to -pee. I just got caught
by that same thing about 30 minutes ago.

OS9 Fest in Chicago April 13 and 14, 1996. Make plans now.

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To      : Dave Kelly
[33mFrom    : Dean Leiber
[35mSubject : Re: OS9 UG Disk/index
[37mDate    : 96/04/13 13:17:24[33m

Hi Dave!
 
 Thanks for the quick response! My name is also not on the answering
machine at my number, so just leave a MSG for "Dean". BTW, I also sent
ya a letter (addr. in MOTD) just in case ya didn't catch the Fido MSG.
Look forward to hearing from you!
 
                                 Dean
 
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To      : All
[33mFrom    : John A. Donaldson
[35mSubject : ELVIS SIGHTING
[37mDate    : 96/04/14  22:10:00[33m

   ATTENTION     ATTENTION     ATTENTION    ATTENTION
 
ELVIS was sighted at the 6th Annua Last COCO Fest in Elgin,Ill. 
  YES, Elvis is alive and well, living in Elgin,ILL., and is a working
as a security gauard at the Holiday Inn.
 
John A. Donaldson
 
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To      : Dave Kelly
[33mFrom    : David Graham
[35mSubject : Re: MW Compiler v3.2
[37mDate    : 96/04/19 21:11:03[33m

Dave, are you in Texas, or Alabama?  Just got an inquery on the MM/1B
from a Dave Kelly, is that you?
 
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To      : William Barnes
[33mFrom    : David Graham
[35mSubject : Re: MM/1 SYSTEMS
[37mDate    : 96/04/19 21:14:53[33m

            On Sunday, March 31st, 1996 - William Barnes wrote:
 
I will sell a complete MM/1 system for $825 for the next month (ending
May 20th)  The MM/1B Board set can be had for $444.95.    A Complete
MM/1 System includes case, P/S, 1 floppy.  Add your own hard drive,
keyboard and monitor.  
 
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To      : All
[33mFrom    : Warren Hrach
[35mSubject : linkup12 update
[37mDate    : 96/04/24 13:23:13[33m

I now have Boisy Pitre's Linkup12 for downloading. It includes x, y, and
zmodem protocols and works very well on my MM/1.  It was compiled with
Ultra C and need some changes in your boot file to run programs compiled
with Ultra C.  For full info get the files 'linkup12.lzh',
linkup12_main.lzh' in my OSK Telecom download dir and the file
'initfpu.lzh' from my OSK Sys dir.  Be sure to read all the readmes, and
docs before proceeding.
Warren Hrach, RiBBS/RiBBS_MM1 beta sysop.
 
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To      : Allen Morgan
[33mFrom    : Warren Hrach
[35mSubject : Re: Finally, some echo traffic!
[37mDate    : 96/04/24 14:02:36[33m

              On Friday, April 5th, 1996 - Allen Morgan wrote:
 
AM> Hello Warren!
AM> I am glad to see some friendly discussion on here.  I have not seen 
AM> anything discurteous and I think that if the debate is crushed too 
AM> soon, there must be something to hide.
AM> Allen
 
Allen,
     Thanks for your reply.  As moderator of the Echo and of course a
sales rep. I am somewhat biased but even so !.
Anyway the MM/1 and its later versions is well supported and most owners
like the machine very much.  We just are slow getting software to do the
latest internet goodies but it is coming.
Warren Hrach, RiBBS/RiBBS_MM1 beta sysop.
 
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To      : Don Leiber
[33mFrom    : Dave Kelly
[35mSubject : Disks
[37mDate    : 96/04/26 19:06:49
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I mail disks to you on Tuesday 23. Should get there soon it was only a
nickle more to go priorty mail. $4.00 verses $3.95. Keep me posted on
progress.
 
Thanks foir the help
 
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To      : David Graham
[33mFrom    : James Jones
[35mSubject : Re: MM/1 Specifications
[37mDate    : 96/04/27 05:12:10[33m

I have to admit that I've run out of RAM once on my MM/1 (w/8Meg); I was
trying to compile lout with Ultra C, and there's one file in there that
uses macros heavily to achieve the effect of inlining that won't quite
make it through.
 
Alan Dekok is working on KWindows?  Huzzah!
 
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To      : Dave Kelly
[33mFrom    : James Jones
[35mSubject : Re: PowerPC & OS9
[37mDate    : 96/04/27 05:16:07[33m

Yes, it has been ported.  (Technically, it's OS-9000, the version that
is written mostly in C.  Moving 68xxx assembly language to PowerPC is
(or would be) a significant job.)  Does it run on a Power Mac?  I don't
know; your best bet would be to call or ask Microware.
 
Opinions herein are those of the author, and not necessarily those of 
any organization.
 
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To      : Fred Remin
[33mFrom    : James Jones
[35mSubject : Re: MM/1 problem
[37mDate    : 96/04/27 05:21:14[33m

The "can't run J" means you didn't set the execute attribute on the
file; the shell tries to run it as a shell script and the module sync
bytes start, when looked at as ASCII, with the character J.
 
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To      : Dave Kelly
[33mFrom    : Dean Leiber
[35mSubject : Re: Disks
[37mDate    : 96/04/27 18:09:28
[32mPrevious Reply is Message [33m56   [33m

              On Friday, April 26th, 1996 - Dave Kelly wrote:
 
DK> I mail disks to you on Tuesday 23. Should get there soon it was only a
DK> nickle more to go priorty mail. $4.00 verses $3.95. Keep me posted on
I've recieved the disks, and am copying them now. I should have them in
the mail to you by the mid to end of next week. I'll keep you posted
on my progress. I'll complete a few disks and then send you an index
for that section, etc.. til I've got them all.
BTW, Thanks for sending them so fast!
 
                                              Dean
 
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To      : All
[33mFrom    : Dean Leiber
[35mSubject : CoCo Format
[37mDate    : 96/04/27 18:15:19[33m

Hi all!
 
   I just thoughjt I'd mention a problem I've run into, so nobody else
gets stuck by it. Recently I've been trying to copy a bunch of disk
which were sent to me, which were Coco Format, but was experiencing
alot of errors. Upon closer inspection, I saw that they were HD disk
formated to the Coco descriptor on an OSK box. Needless to say, I would
recommend no one do this, because it is iffy that it will work. On the
MM/1, these disks caused alot of seek errors on one drive and the other
couldn't even read them. Oddly enough, the Coco seemed to be able to
read these OK (720K drives), but the MM/1 got all munged up with these
disks. So, the moral of the story is, never format HD disk to the Coco
format! Your drive may be able to read them, but not necessarilly anyone
elses!
 
                                                  Dean
 
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To      : William Barnes
[33mFrom    : Warren Hrach
[35mSubject : RE: MM/1 SYSTEMS
[37mDate    : 96/04/30 13:10:14
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            On Monday, April 29th, 1996 - William Barnes wrote:
 
 DG> May 20th)  The MM/1B Board set can be had for $444.95.    A
WB>     BTW: What is the specs for the MM/1b??? I caught the post for the
WB> original design (so I believe; as designed for KLE ???) I may have to
WB> wait a bit longer than anticipated at the moment. I also presume that
WB> this DOES INCLUDE OS-9...
 
William,
    I will post a msg with the specs in my next post.  Note that the
price David quoted includes OSK V 2.1.  Normally the MM/1b comes with
the OSK V3.0 and that lacks the c compiler and other goodies. With the
v2.4 you get best of both worlds.  Also note you need to add memory,
keyboard, monitor card and monitor and floppy and hard drives.
Warren Hrach, MM/1, MM/1b sales rep.
 
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To      : William Barnes
[33mFrom    : Warren Hrach
[35mSubject : MM/1b specs.
[37mDate    : 96/04/30 13:15:59[33m


                    I N T R O D U C I N G ! !

          THE MM/1B - FROM BLACKHAWK ENTERPRISES, INC.

A new machine, based on a board produced by Kreider Electronics,
and featuring :

    o  16 bit PC AT I/O Bus with 5 slots (3 populated, $35 for all 5)

    o  MC68306 CPU at 16.67 MHz
        - code compatible with 68000
        - 2.4 MIPS
        - 68681 DUART - 2 serial ports
        - 16 Bit Timer/Counter
        - 8 to 16 Bits Parallel I/O
        - DRAM controller

    o  0.5MB, 1MB, 2MB, 4MB, 8MB, 10MB or 16MB DRAM (4 SIMM sockets)

    o  IDE Hard Disk Interface (2 drives max)

    o  1.44MB Floppy Interface (2 drives max)

    o  2 16 byte FIFO serial ports (up to 115K baud)

    o  Bi-directional parallel port

    o  On board RS232 buffers

    o  Battery Backed Real Time Clock

    o  AT Keyboard Interface  &  Standard AT power connector

    o  Baby AT Size Footprint

    o  Basic (resembles Microsoft Basic)

    o  MGR - graphical windowing environment, full documentation!

    o  "Personal" OSK V3.0  (Industrial with RBF)
        - MW Managers: SCF, RBF, PipeMan, RamDisk
        - MW Utilities: date, deiniz, devs, dump, echo, and etc..
        - PD (at least): dir/ls, cp, mv, arc, ar, tar, cpio, .....
        - Development: At least an absolute (non-linking) assembler,
                       and perhaps an r68/l68 clone.

        - Display drivers: Tseng 4K, generic inexpensive VGA
        - SCSI card support:  Future Domain 1680 & Adaptec AAH 15XX

    o  OSK version 2.4 including network file manager, PCF, SCF,
       SBF, RBF, Pipeman, RamDisk       (Note $45 extra)

 - MW Utilities: The full set.
 - MW C Compiler version 3.2 with r68/l68
 - MW Basic 
 - MW Debug
 - MW Programmers Toolkit (Mail, print spooler, UMacs)

    o  UUCP package from Bob Billson
    o  Ghostscript (PostScript interpreter)

    o  Many other utilities and tools

 - Scott McGee's File utility
 - Shell, file and text utilities from GNU
 - BASH - GNU's Bourne Again SHell
 - GNU Make
 - Flex
 - Bison
 - Berkeley YACC

    o  STerm (simple terminal program)
    
  Pricing as low as $400  :

  Contact BlackHawk Enterprises, Inc.
          P.O. Box 10552
          Enid, OK  73706-0553
          (405) 234-2347
          nimitz@delphi.com 

 OR Warren Hrach, MM/1 Sales Rep.
    4369 Newport Ave.
    San Diego, CA 92107
    BBS (619) 224-4878, Voice (619) 221-8246
    (warren@ocnbeach.esnet.com)

   for more information including custom system quotations.
 
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To      : Dave Kelly
[33mFrom    : Dean Leiber
[35mSubject : Re: Disks
[37mDate    : 96/05/04 11:09:53
[32mPrevious Reply is Message [33m124   [33m

Hi Dave!
 
   Thanks for finding the newsletters! I just sent your OCN disks
back yesterday (May 3) so they might be there before you have a
chance to read this. Thanks again!
 
                                                    Dean
 
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To      : Dave Kelly
[33mFrom    : Dean Leiber
[35mSubject : Re: CoCo Format
[37mDate    : 96/05/04 11:11:48
[32mPrevious Reply is Message [33m125   [33m

Hi again Dave!
 
     Yes, the disk you sent me were HD with a Coco Format. It is
surprising it even worked if you formatted them on the Coco. My
drives can't reliably write to HD disks period (CoCo of course). When
I inserted them into the MM/1 the drives could not reliably read them;
sometimes it could, sometimes lots of seek errors. My Coco seemed to be
able to read them, so I went out to Office Depot, bought 50 DSDD disks
and backuped up your Disks to them. That solved the problem. So, yes
you can still buy DSDD but they are as much as HD (sometimes actually
more expensive!!!) and are getting harder to find, but if you buy them
bulk, you can go the mail order route. BTW, ever notice Unformaatted
disk
are now more expensive than formatted ones??!! Go Figure! Well thanks
again. I'll begin working on them this week!
 
                                            Dean
 
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