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Original Message Date: 15 Mar 92 23:03:56
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From: Henk Wevers on 2:500/1
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To: Tom Jennings on 1:125/111
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Subj: Divs
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^AINTL 1:125/111 2:500/1
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Hi Tom,
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Long time no talk.
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A few things.
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1) I heared from Randy that you have inquired about what is going on in <20>
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zone
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2. a short explanation:
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- we have been organized in europe traditionally in what some people <20>
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call
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overlapping nets, others social nets. Not only in Holland, but in <20>
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other
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regions as well. This is partly my doing because when I was handling <20>
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the
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nodelist I allowed this (contrary to the RC's in zone 1) because I <20>
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rather
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had all people using fidonet technology in one nodelist in stead of
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'alternets'. For new nodes there is no problem, you either join a
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regional organized net, or join one of the club nets to your liking.
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Remember we were doing this years before we had any policy.
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- we now have a ZC (Ron Dwight) who believes that Policy 4 is the one <20>
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and
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only law and should be obeyed, no matter what. Eg, we should end our <20>
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old
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nets and reorganize.
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- some regions showed Ron the middle finger and said that the sysops in <20>
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the
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regions concerned would know best themselves how they would be <20>
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organized.
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And that no one outside their region would have any technical
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problem with the way the region was organised. (Most regions have 1
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inbound gate for mail).
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- Well, being unable to made the region and the Rc involved do what he
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wanted them to do, and because the regions did not want another Rc
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(they were content with their rc, who was doing what they wanted) Ron
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decided to remove the RC's concerned from the fidonet nodelist and
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stopped processing nodelist updates from those regions.
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- Region 28 (holland) in front as usual mailed bundles of complaints to
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the IC, who replied that he would not interfere and that Ron was right
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anyway. Policy is law, period.
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- We are now stuck at the moment, Ron has threathened to reorganize the
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nodes into other nets himself (apperently using phonenumbers) because
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he can find no-one in the regions concerned who would follow
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his 'orders'.
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So far the current state. According to Matt, the Zc only RC's can throw <20>
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Ron
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out of teh ZC 'job'. Also according policy and Matt and Ron, Ron <20>
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appoints
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the Rc's. Nice cobstruction that is....
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The only real thing I can think of now is to start our own zone nodelist
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and distribute that. As the two 'club nets' in holland take a large <20>
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part in
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distribution of the diffs in europe this could be done. I proposed this <20>
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in
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a conference as a friendly revolution and appearently made Ron really <20>
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mad.
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So here it is. I have not started making my own zone nodelist yet. It <20>
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will
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put europe in a bad shape, although lots of sysops agree with me.
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I also don't like to give in and make another 'alternet' and loose
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connections with old friends.
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Any suggestions from your side ? Any idea how to handle this ? Talking <20>
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does
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not help any more. As far as I know you I am sure you dislike this self
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appointed power using policy as THE law as much as I do. So this message
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really means: HEEEEEEEELP !
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2) Now for the fun part. The TipTop project by Randy and me. The project <20>
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is a
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way to stabilze echo and netmail in europe by using the Eunet (uucp)
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transatlantic link in off peak hours. Randy and I (in this order) cotacted <20>
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the
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Eunet executives and got their approval. We are in the testphase but we <20>
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are able
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to move (echo) mail transparantly, eg seen from my system Randy's node is
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located in amsterdam. We move a lot of conferences, netmail and the uucp
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gatemail already. I am organizing non profit organisations in european <20>
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regions
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to handle the costsharing for getting the (echo) into their region. One of <20>
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the
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rules of TipTop is that a regional TipTop gate must pass every echomail
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conference on the TipTop backbone to every net in the region that wants it.
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There are some rules for costsharing (you know us, shareware does not work <20>
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very
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well in europe, people try to get free rides as much as possible), but <20>
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basically
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the idea is that it should be fair and open. I have seen remarkable results
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already, exit echomail powerplay in europe. I am trying to make myself
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redundant by the end of this year. If you want more info, I'll send the <20>
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current
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docs. Oh yes, TipTop stands for Transatlantic Internet Project, Topdown
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organized. The technical side is not run as a democracy, but is a top star
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system to minimize dup loops risk. We will have connected the following <20>
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regions
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next week:
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- Israel, Belgium, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Austria, Italy
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We are working with Switserland and Finland to get them going. Its not <20>
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that easy
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because you need a few people to cooperate to get the mail in with bearable
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costs.
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Ok, 'nough said. I'll probably get the dutch sysops to send you kilo's of <20>
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drop
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if you can help us with the zc problem. Route mail via 1:105/42 or direct. <20>
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(v32
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bis here).
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Cheers
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Henk
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policy4 written before ZONES EXISTED. No eur nodes then!
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basic assumption behind (US) nets was "local dialing is free" doesnt
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exist in eur! Negates the rationale.
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ZC/RC relationship is intentionally contrived and is obviously invalid
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no matter how many places its written down.
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