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F I D O N E W S Volume 17, Number 48 20 Nov 2000
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| The newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: |
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| FidoNet community | "FidoNews" |
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| | | \ \\ | Editor: Warren Bonner |
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| (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. |
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Table of Contents
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1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
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* EDITORAL * ............................................. 1
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2. GUEST EDITORIAL .......................................... 4
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-=*GUEST EDITORAL*=- ..................................... 4
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3. CORRECTIONS .............................................. 6
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CORRECTIONS & RECORRECTIONS .............................. 6
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4. ARTICLES ................................................. 10
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* ARTICLES * ............................................. 10
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5. COLUMNS .................................................. 14
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Column By: Stewart Honsberger ............................ 14
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6. FIDONET HISTORY .......................................... 20
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-=*History*=- ............................................ 20
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7. GETTING TECHNICAL ........................................ 25
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TECHNOTES ................................................ 25
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8. NET HUMOR ................................................ 27
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*HUMOR* .................................................. 27
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9. QUESTION OF THE WEEK ..................................... 31
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THIS WEEKS QUESTION ...................................... 31
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10. NOTICES ................................................. 32
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NOTICES .................................................. 32
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11. FIDONET BY INTERNET ..................................... 34
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12. FIDONEWS INFORMATION .................................... 39
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FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 39
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FIDONEWS 17-48 Page 1 20 Nov 2000
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EDITORIAL
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WDBonner@fidonews.org
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Your editor has been following the P4 discussions and learning what
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many think on the subject. Some want to dump it, some want to ignore
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it, some want to `work around it', and believe it or not some want to
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work to modify it only in a couple of places to make it democratic in
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nature. I've taken the liberty to take excerpts of some messages in
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open echoes, to develop an understanding for the global reader that
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may not have access to these echoes.
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With that foundation for this editoral in mind, and the knowledge that
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the Policy known as P4, being a bone of contention in many Regions
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since it was presented to replace Policy 1.0; plus (I am informed) was
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never ratified by the sysops as was Policy 1.0. That coupled with
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the necessity of all Zones to approve any ammendments has made it a
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catch 22 that is the quagmire, bone of contention, etc. that plagues
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Fidonet and perpetuates it's nick name,"Fight-O-net".
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By: Dallas Hinton
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To: Stewart Honsberger
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Re: ZC Election Procedures
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Hi Stewart -- on Nov 15 2000 at 22:24, you wrote:
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SH> If nobody agrees to policy 4; why do people still agree to abide
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by SH> it?
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It's called being honourable, Stewart. It's the same issue as obeying
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speed limits at 2 AM when you know there are no cops around. Either
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you live an ethical and honourable life or you don't.
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Policy 4 is the policy that FidoNet uses. There is much of it I don't
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like, but until it's changed I will follow it. To do otherwise is to
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have anarchy, and while that was very enjoyable in the early days of
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FidoNet it rapidly became obvious that we couldn't continue in that
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pattern once we got beyond a few dozen members.
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Cheers... Dallas
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By: Steven Leeman To: All Re: American elections solved :-)
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May also equate to PEEFOUR until modified and ratified-Ed. 8^)
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Hello everybody.
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NOTICE OF REVOCATION OF INDEPENDENCE
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To the citizens of the United States of America,
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In the light of your failure to elect a President of
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the USA and thus to govern yourselves, we
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hereby give notice of the revocation of your
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independence, effective today. Her Sovereign
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FIDONEWS 17-48 Page 2 20 Nov 2000
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Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume monarchial
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duties over all states, commonwealths and other
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territories. Except Utah, which she does not fancy.
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Your new prime minister (The rt. hon. Tony Blair,
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MP for the 97.85% of you who have until now been
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unaware that there is a world outside your borders)
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will appoint a minister for America without the need
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for further elections. Congress and the Senate will
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be disbanded. A questionnaire will be circulated
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next year to determine whether any of you noticed.
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To aid in the transition to a British Crown Dependency,
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the following rules are introduced with immediate effect:
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1. You should look up "revocation" in the Oxford
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English Dictionary. Then look up "aluminium".
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Check the pronunciation guide. You will be amazed
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at just how wrongly you have been pronouncing it.
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Generally, you should raise your vocabulary to
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acceptable levels. Look up "vocabulary". Using
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the same twenty seven words interspersed with
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filler noises such as "like" and "you know" is an
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unacceptable and inefficient form of communication.
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Look up "interspersed".
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2. There is no such thing as "US English". We will
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let Microsoft know on your behalf.
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3. You should learn to distinguish the English and
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Australian accents. It really isn't that hard.
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4. Hollywood will be required occasionally to cast
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English actors as the good guys. Although it comes
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as a bit of a shock, the USA did not pilot the "Battle of
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Britain" spitfires during the war against Germany.
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Likewise, Rommel was defeated by the British &
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Australian Armies in Africa,.... not Sylvester Stallone
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& Bruce Willis. Probably your biggest shock will be
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the fact that the US didn't enter World War 2 until
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halfway through the war when the Germans mistakenly
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sank a few US ships. By then the war was decided by
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the Commonwealth countries troops ..... and your
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guys just helped to speed the end up.
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5. You should relearn your original national anthem,
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"God Save The Queen", but only after fully carrying
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out task 1. We would not want you to get confused
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and give up half way through.
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6. You should stop playing American "football".
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There is only one kind of football. What you refer
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to as American "football" is not a very good game.
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The 2.15% of you who are aware that there is a
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world outside your border may have noticed that
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no one else plays "American" football. You will no
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longer be allowed to play it, and should instead
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play proper football. Initially, it would be best if you
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FIDONEWS 17-48 Page 3 20 Nov 2000
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played with the girls. It is a difficult game. Those of
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you brave enough will, in time, be allowed to play
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rugby (which is similar to American "football", but
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does not involve stopping for a rest every twenty
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seconds or wearing full kevlar body armour like
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nancies). We are hoping to get together at least
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a US rugby sevens side by 2005.
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7. You should declare war on Quebec and France,
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using nuclear weapons if they give you any merde.
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The 98.85% of you who were not aware that there is
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a world outside your borders should count yourselves
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lucky. The Russians have never been the bad guys.
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"Merde" is French for "sh*t".
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8. July 4th is no longer a public holiday. November 8th
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will be a new national holiday, but only in England.
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It will be called "Indecisive Day".
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9. All American cars are hereby banned. They are crap
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and it is for your own good. When we show you German
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cars, you will understand what we mean.
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10. Please tell us who killed JFK. It's been driving
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us crazy. Thank you for your cooperation.
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o Steven Leeman
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Thanks for the funny Steven.
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FIDONEWS 17-48 Page 4 20 Nov 2000
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GUEST EDITORIAL
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By David Morferrage
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dated 11-14-00 19:46
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The ZC Election Coordinator has submitted the following election
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outline for publication:
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Draft 4, 13NOV Version C- RC's vote based on region input. (notes,
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timetable to be adjusted later- mostly out of nomination time)
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ZONE 1 COORDINATOR ELECTION - 2000
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The Z1C has announced an election, for a new Z1C. Per Policy4, the ZC
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is elected by the RC's under them. It is the choice of the RC's to do
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this by the following method per P4 section 6.2.
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A Z1 Sysop is defined as any Sysop who is nodelisted in Z1 and
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physically located within the normal geographical boundries of zone 1.
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The nodelist used will be the nodelist.### version. Reasonable
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exceptions will be made during the nomination phase by the election
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coordinator if a node, net or region is accidently dropped from this
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version and this is validated by the RC or NC of the affected node.
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The term 'nodelisted' means listed in this version of the nodelist.
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Nominations
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Nominating time table: NOV 17-25, 2000 All dates start at
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00:00 and end at 11:59 EST
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Any nodelisted Z1 Sysop of Fidonet may nominate themselves or another
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nodelisted Sysop of of Z1 Fidonet for the position of Z1C. The
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nomination must be made in the Z1_Election echo and should be
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addressed to the Election Coordinator.
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The nomination must include the name of the nominee and their Fidonet
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node number.
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Once a nomination has been received by the election coordinator, the
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name will be added to the list of nominees. The nomination must then
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be accepted by the nominee and seconded by a Z1 Sysop in the echo to
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become a fully eligible candidate.
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Discussion Period NOV 26- DEC 02, 2000 All dates start at
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00:00 and end at 11:59 EST
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Following the nomination period, a period shall be allowed for each
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candidate to campaign for the position. During this period,
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questioning of the candidates is encouraged.
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Regional Feedback Period DEC 03-16, 2000 All dates start
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at 00:00 and end at 11:59 EST
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Following the campaign period, the above period shall be allowed for
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each region to conduct selection proceedings in accordance with
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regional policy and such methods as are determined as appropriate
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based on regional policy or the desires of the Sysops within that
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region. All voting or other feedback including what is desired if
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there is a run-off election and the primary candidate your region
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selected is eliminated, must be concluded no later than 16 DEC. No
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time is alloted to conduct secondary polls of regional input once RC
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voting commences.
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Regional Coordinator Voting - DEC 17-22, 2000 All dates
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start at 00:00 and end at 11:59 EST
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Following collection of regional input, the RC's shall cast their
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vote. (Location TBD at this time).
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Initial voting will be from 17-18 DEC. The candidate with the most
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votes, wins. This will be calculated by a simple majority where if
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any one candidate receives 6 RC votes, they will be announced as the
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winner. If no candidate achieves 6 RC votes, a run-off election will
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take place from 19-20 DEC between the top 2 candidates.
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Contesting of the vote will take place from 21-22 DEC. Once finalized
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and with no RC's contesting the vote, the results will be posted in
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the Z1_ELECTION echo.
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Note, this section may be ammended after the initial Z1C election
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process has begun, in order to finalize the location of the RC votes.
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Term begin/end: Turnover date to May 2003
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Upon completion of the election, the newly elected Z1C's term begins
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as soon as turnover can be accomplished but no later than 5 January
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2001. Due to early turnover, the normal 2 year period will be extended
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5 months and end May 2003. This is in order to avoid mandating a vote
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over the holiday season in 2 years.
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Z1C Election Coordinator - 2000
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-=David=- TCP/IP Node kraut.dyndns.org IBN & ITN:60177
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David@you-have-mail.com
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... Double your pleasure, Double your fun. Xerox your pay-cheques.
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--- * Origin: Kraut Haus * telnet://kraut.dyndns.org (1:2613/404)
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CORRECTIONS
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The editor accepts articles, but does not accept any responsibility
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for their accuracy, that's why a corrections column is necessary.
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By: Winston Smith To: All Re: [--- Linux OS N/A's ? ---]
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I wish to correct a few of the "not applicable" n/a designations of
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the "LINUX OS" (moving from *DOS to *NIX) FidoNews article by Janis
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Kracht.
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n/a chsh Change shell
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While there is no --DIRECTLY-- applicable 'chsh' command via
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user record in the '/etc' directory folder, one can easily write a
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batch script under *DOS called 'CHSH.BAT' to modify the "start up"
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shell selection for *DOS, which in this case is stored in the
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CONFIG.SYS file of the *DOS "backslash" or root folder of the
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directory tree rather than in the 'etc' directory folder. The "user
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record" for the *DOS shell is given below. Just as in Linux,you have
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to restart / reboot / relogin for any changes to take effect.
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File --> CONFIG.SYS SHELL=C:\DOS\COMMAND.COM C:\DOS\ /E:4096 /F /P
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n/a pwd Dispay the current working directory
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|
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There --IS-- a Print Working Directory for MS-DOS, but it is
|
|||
|
|
undocumented. (See the famous MicroSoft Undocumented Features, a.k.a.
|
|||
|
|
'MUF', file.)
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
C:> TRUENAME
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
n/a swapon Turn on a swap partition
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
While MS-DOS doesn't have a multi-tasking Virtual Machine image to
|
|||
|
|
swap in and out of RAM, it can set up a "single task" swap area for
|
|||
|
|
the command just executed be swapped in again. Okay, you got me! It
|
|||
|
|
is only a disk cache, but it kind of / sort of / maybe performs a
|
|||
|
|
similar function in a single tasking operating system that a swap
|
|||
|
|
image performs in a multi-tasking operating system.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
C:> SMARTDRV.EXE /X /V
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
n/a swapoff Turn off a swap partition
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I don't know how to turn SmartDrive off. I think you have to
|
|||
|
|
reboot with Control-Alt-Delete?
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
n/a mount Attach a filesystem to the root
|
|||
|
|
FIDONEWS 17-48 Page 7 20 Nov 2000
|
|||
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|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
filesystem
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
While you can not mount a filesystem onto your directory tree,
|
|||
|
|
you can do something quite similar by "mounting" phantom / virtual
|
|||
|
|
drive letters into your drive device table via the 'subst' command
|
|||
|
|
(provided that your MS-DOS 'LASTDRIVE' designation is high enough).
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
C:>SUBST.EXE U: C:\USERS
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
n/a umount Detach a filesystem from the root
|
|||
|
|
filesystem
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
C:>SUBST.EXE U: /D
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
n/a apropos Get help on a general topic n/a whatis
|
|||
|
|
Search the whatis database
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
A 'whatis' / 'apropos' command --DOES-- exists for MS-DOS. (See
|
|||
|
|
below.)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
C:>FASTHELP
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
That is all that I have for now. Feel free to make any additions
|
|||
|
|
or corrections!
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
--- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v3.0pr3 * Origin: Lost in the
|
|||
|
|
SuperMarket - Peabody, MA - 978-531-8416 (1:101/101)
|
|||
|
|
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
RECORECTIONS By: Janis Kracht To: Winston Smith Re: Correction:[---
|
|||
|
|
Linux OS N/A's ? ---]
|
|||
|
|
--------------------------------------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
Hi there Winston,
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I wish to correct a few of the "not applicable" n/a designations of
|
|||
|
|
the "LINUX OS" (moving from *DOS to *NIX) FidoNews article by Janis
|
|||
|
|
Kracht.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
n/a chsh Change shell
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
While there is no --DIRECTLY-- applicable 'chsh' command via *DOS, as
|
|||
|
|
all that 'chsh' is is a batch shell script that modifies the user
|
|||
|
|
record in the '/etc' directory folder, one can easily write a batch
|
|||
|
|
script under *DOS called 'CHSH.BAT' to modify the "start up" shell
|
|||
|
|
selection for *DOS, which in this case is stored in the CONFIG.SYS
|
|||
|
|
file of the *DOS "backslash" or root folder of the directory tree
|
|||
|
|
rather than in the 'etc' directory folder. The "user record" for the
|
|||
|
|
*DOS shell is given below. Just as in Linux, you have to restart /
|
|||
|
|
reboot / relogin for any changes to take effect.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
File --> CONFIG.SYS SHELL=C:\DOS\COMMAND.COM C:\DOS\ /E:4096 /F /P
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
First of all, what other shells are distributed with DOS? If you
|
|||
|
|
FIDONEWS 17-48 Page 8 20 Nov 2000
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
remember,I specifically mentioned in the article that I was excluding
|
|||
|
|
from consideration outside utilities like GNU tools, etc.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Secondly, you do not have to re-boot for changes to take affect in
|
|||
|
|
Linux - you do have to re-login, but that's a far cry from rebooting.
|
|||
|
|
Like many others have done many times, I've even re-compiled the
|
|||
|
|
kernal without rebooting <smile>.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
n/a pwd Dispay the current working directory
|
|||
|
|
> path
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
There --IS-- a Print Working Directory for MS-DOS, but it is
|
|||
|
|
undocumented.(See the famous MicroSoft Undocumented Features, a.k.a.
|
|||
|
|
'MUF', file.) C:> TRUENAME
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
If it is undocumented, that means that MS has reservered the right to
|
|||
|
|
leave it out of future versions, or to have that command do something
|
|||
|
|
different...
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
but ...
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I did miss this though:
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
In DOS CD without an argument will show you the full path to the
|
|||
|
|
current working directory :)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
However, you know I didn't think i would be able to list every single
|
|||
|
|
command that DOS does not have that Linux does :) For example.. cd -
|
|||
|
|
(cd with a space and then a dash) will take you back to the very last
|
|||
|
|
directory you were in. Not like cd .., I mean like if you type
|
|||
|
|
/home/bbbs/inbound, and then you type cd /home/ftp/pub/gamesnet, cd -
|
|||
|
|
will return you to /home/bbbs/inbound.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
n/a swapon Turn on a swap partition
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
While MS-DOS doesn't have a multi-tasking Virtual Machine image to
|
|||
|
|
swap in and out of RAM, it can set up a "single task" swap area for
|
|||
|
|
the command just executed be swapped in again. Okay, you got me! It
|
|||
|
|
is only a disk cache, but it kind of / sort of / maybe performs a
|
|||
|
|
similar function in a single tasking operating system that a swap
|
|||
|
|
image performs in a multi-tasking operating system.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
C:> SMARTDRV.EXE /X /V
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
n/a swapoff Turn off a swap partition
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I don't know how to turn SmartDrive off. I think you have to reboot
|
|||
|
|
with Control-Alt-Delete?
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
n/a mount Attach a filesystem to the root
|
|||
|
|
filesystem
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
While you can not mount a filesystem onto your directory tree you can
|
|||
|
|
do something quite similar by "mounting" phantom / virtual drive
|
|||
|
|
letters into your drive device table via the 'subst' command
|
|||
|
|
(provided that your MS-DOS 'LASTDRIVE' designation is high enough).
|
|||
|
|
FIDONEWS 17-48 Page 9 20 Nov 2000
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
C:>SUBST.EXE U: C:\USERS
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
No, you're misunderstanding mount <smile>. The mount command is not
|
|||
|
|
used for 'virtual' or logical drives but to connect physical devices
|
|||
|
|
to the file system.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
From the man page: All files accessible in a Unix system are arranged
|
|||
|
|
in one big tree, the file hierarchy, rooted at /. These files can
|
|||
|
|
be spread out over several devices. The mount command serves to
|
|||
|
|
attach the file system found on some device to the big file tree.
|
|||
|
|
Conversely, the umount(8) command will detach it again.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
n/a apropos Get help on a general topic n/a whatis
|
|||
|
|
Search the whatis database
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
A 'whatis' / 'apropos' command --DOES-- exists for MS-DOS. (See
|
|||
|
|
below.)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
C:>FASTHELP
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Well apropos and whatis search a database for text strings in
|
|||
|
|
different ways. Fasthelp may show you the help for a command (I don't
|
|||
|
|
know that command), but whatis shows you a short description of only
|
|||
|
|
complete word matches, apropos searches a set of database files
|
|||
|
|
containing short descriptions of system commands for keywords and
|
|||
|
|
displays them all.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Take care, Janis * Origin: Prism bbs (1:2320/38)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
~~~~~~~~~~end~~~~~~~~~~
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
FIDONEWS 17-48 Page 10 20 Nov 2000
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
=================================================================
|
|||
|
|
ARTICLES
|
|||
|
|
=================================================================
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
By: Carol Shenkenberger
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Templates that match version C, to be adapted for regional use as
|
|||
|
|
desired:
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Draft 1 template A, 12NOV - weighted voting, sysops in region vote.
|
|||
|
|
Freely available for RC's to edit as they desire to meet needs of
|
|||
|
|
region collection.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Z1C ELECTION - 2000
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
The Z1C has announced an election, for a new Z1C. Per Policy4, the ZC
|
|||
|
|
is elected by the RC's under them. It is the choice of the RC## to do
|
|||
|
|
this by election from the sysops in R##.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
To be eligible to vote, a SysOp must be nodelisted in R##. The
|
|||
|
|
nodelist used will be the current nodelist at the time of each stage
|
|||
|
|
in the vote. (alternative, current nodelist at time of vote)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Those who are eligible to vote will be those SysOps who are nodelisted
|
|||
|
|
in R##. Each sysop will be allowed 1 vote, regardless of how many
|
|||
|
|
nodenumbers they may hold. Systems with 2 people entered as 'sysop'
|
|||
|
|
will recieve only 1 vote.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
All times refer to recipt at the election coordinators site, not time
|
|||
|
|
sent by the sysop.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Voting Period DEC 03-10, 2000 All dates start at 00:00 and
|
|||
|
|
end at 11:59 #ST
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Following the campaign period, a period shall be allowed for each
|
|||
|
|
eligible voter to cast his/her vote. Votes must be sent via netmail
|
|||
|
|
(direct or routed) to the regional election coordinator who is (insert
|
|||
|
|
what's needed for your region) during the voting period and must
|
|||
|
|
include a keyword or password to the regional election coordinator.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Votes will be cast in the following manner: Weighted voting where each
|
|||
|
|
vote cast attains a number of assigned 'points' based on the order in
|
|||
|
|
which you list them. If you list only 1 candidate, they will receive
|
|||
|
|
as many 'points' as there are candidates. In the sample below, that
|
|||
|
|
would be 4 'points'. You may not list a candidate more than once (IE:
|
|||
|
|
You cant get Betty Beta 10 points by listing her 4 times, sorry!).
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Example: 4 candidates: Abe Alpha 4 pts Betty Beta 3
|
|||
|
|
pts Charlie Chuckles 2 pts Donald Delta 1 pt
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Winner of the election will be the one with the most total 'points'.
|
|||
|
|
If there is a tie, recalculation will be done counting only the top 2
|
|||
|
|
votes of each member (hence your votes 3 and 4 would be cast out) to
|
|||
|
|
determine if a tie still exists. If a tie still exists, recalculation
|
|||
|
|
will commence with your first listed entry only. If that also results
|
|||
|
|
FIDONEWS 17-48 Page 11 20 Nov 2000
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
in a tie, the RC shall cast a deciding vote.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
These results will also be used by the RC, should there be a run-off
|
|||
|
|
election at the RC level voting for our region, by removing those
|
|||
|
|
candidates who were eliminated, and calculating the 'points' of the
|
|||
|
|
remaining candidates. Should this result in a tie, the RC will cast
|
|||
|
|
the deciding vote.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
*note, edit in here a 'contesting' time if your region needs one. I'd
|
|||
|
|
advise you do have one**
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
RC Vote - 17-22 DEC 2000
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
No further time for regional input is alloted in this phase.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
The results of the election will be annouced in the Z1C_Election echo
|
|||
|
|
by the Z1C Election Coordinator ------
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Draft 1 template B, 18NOV - sysops in region vote with one candidate
|
|||
|
|
only. Freely for RC's to edit as they desire to meet needs of region
|
|||
|
|
collection.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Z1C ELECTION - 2000
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
The Z1C has announced an election, for a new Z1C. Per Policy4, the ZC
|
|||
|
|
is elected by the RC's under them. It is the choice of the RC## to do
|
|||
|
|
this by election from the sysops in R##.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
To be eligible to vote, a SysOp must be nodelisted in R##. The
|
|||
|
|
nodelist used will be the current nodelist at the time of each stage
|
|||
|
|
in the vote. (alternative, current nodelist at time of vote)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Those who are eligible to vote will be those SysOps who are nodelisted
|
|||
|
|
in R##. Each sysop will be allowed 1 vote, regardless of how many
|
|||
|
|
nodenumbers they may hold. Systems with 2 people entered as 'sysop'
|
|||
|
|
will recieve only 1 vote.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
All times refer to recipt at the election coordinators site, not time
|
|||
|
|
sent by the sysop.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Voting Period DEC 03-10, 2000 All dates start at 00:00 and
|
|||
|
|
end at 11:59 #ST
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Following the campaign period, a period shall be allowed for each
|
|||
|
|
eligible voter to cast his/her vote. Votes must be sent via netmail
|
|||
|
|
(direct or routed) to the regional election coordinator who is (insert
|
|||
|
|
what's needed for your region) during the voting period and must
|
|||
|
|
include a keyword or password to the regional election coordinator.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Votes will be cast in the following manner, one vote per Sysop. Each
|
|||
|
|
vote will be counted and if a candidate is eliminated at a runoff
|
|||
|
|
time, the votes for that candidate will be discarded and the ones for
|
|||
|
|
the remaining runoff candidates will be used.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
If that also results in a tie, the RC shall cast a deciding vote.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
FIDONEWS 17-48 Page 12 20 Nov 2000
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
*note, edit in here a 'contesting' time if your region needs one. I'd
|
|||
|
|
advise you do have one**
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
RC Vote - 17-22 DEC 2000
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
No further time for regional input is alloted in this phase.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
The results of the election will be annouced in the Z1C_Election echo
|
|||
|
|
by the Z1C Election Coordinator -------- Draft 1 template B, 18NOV -
|
|||
|
|
sysops in region vote with one candidate only. Sysops deligate vote to
|
|||
|
|
RC if they wish. Freely for RC's to edit as they desire to meet needs
|
|||
|
|
of region collection.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Z1C ELECTION - 2000
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
The Z1C has announced an election, for a new Z1C. Per Policy4, the ZC
|
|||
|
|
is elected by the RC's under them. It is the choice of the RC## to do
|
|||
|
|
this by election from the sysops in R##.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
To be eligible to vote, a SysOp must be nodelisted in R##. The
|
|||
|
|
nodelist used will be the current nodelist at the time of each stage
|
|||
|
|
in the vote. (alternative, current nodelist at time of vote)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Those who are eligible to vote will be those SysOps who are nodelisted
|
|||
|
|
in R##. Each sysop will be allowed 1 vote, regardless of how many
|
|||
|
|
nodenumbers they may hold. Systems with 2 people entered as 'sysop'
|
|||
|
|
will recieve only 1 vote.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
All times refer to recipt at the election coordinators site, not time
|
|||
|
|
sent by the sysop.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Voting Period DEC 03-10, 2000 All dates start at 00:00 and
|
|||
|
|
end at 11:59 #ST
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Following the campaign period, a period shall be allowed for each
|
|||
|
|
eligible voter to cast his/her vote. Votes must be sent via netmail
|
|||
|
|
(direct or routed) to the regional election coordinator who is (insert
|
|||
|
|
what's needed for your region) during the voting period and must
|
|||
|
|
include a keyword or password to the regional election coordinator.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Votes will be cast in the following manner, one vote per Sysop. Each
|
|||
|
|
vote will be counted and if a candidate is eliminated at a runoff
|
|||
|
|
time, the votes for that candidate will be discarded and the ones for
|
|||
|
|
the remaining runoff candidates will be used. Sysops may if they
|
|||
|
|
desire, deligate their vote to the RC who will then cast for them.
|
|||
|
|
Sysops who desire to do this, must expressly state that this is their
|
|||
|
|
intention either the local region echo or netmail. Under no
|
|||
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*note, edit in here a 'contesting' time if your region needs one. I'd
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this if desired. xxcarol
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----- ARPA History begins -----
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Part I: The history of ARPA leading up to the ARPANET
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A climate of pure research surrounded the entire history of the
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ARPANET. The Advanced Research Projects Agency was formed with an
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emphasis towards research, and thus was not oriented only to a
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military product. The formation of this agency was part of the U.S.
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reaction to the then Soviet Union's launch of Sputnik in 1957. (ARPA
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draft, III-6). ARPA was assigned to research how to utilize their
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investment in computers via Command and Control Research (CCR). Dr.
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J.C.R. Licklider was chosen to head this effort. Licklider came to
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ARPA from Bolt, Beranek and Newman, (BBN) in Cambridge, MA in October
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1962. (ARPA draft, III-6)
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From Licklider's arrival, the department's contracts were shifted from
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independent corporations towards "the best academic computer centers"
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(ARPA draft, III-7). The then current computing mode was via batch
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processing (you know, input via stacks of punched cards, output:
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results, or lack of them, made known one or more days later.).
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Licklider saw improvements could be made in CCR only via work on
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advancing the current state of computing technology. He particularly
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wanted to move forward into the age of interactive computing, and the
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current contractors were not moving in that direction. In an
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Interview, Licklider told the interviewee that SDC "was based on batch
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processing, and while I was interested in a new way of doing things,
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they [SDC] were studying how to make improvements in the ways things
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were done already." (An Interview with J.C.R. Licklider conducted by
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William Aspray and Arthur Norberg on October 28, 1988 Cambridge, Mass.
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CBI Univ of Minn., Madison) The office "developed into a far-reaching
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basic research program in advanced technology." (ARPA draft III-7)
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Licklider's Office was renamed Information Processing Techniques (IPT
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or IPTO) to reflect that change.
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The Completion report states that "Prophetically, Licklider nicknamed
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the group of computer specialists he gathered the 'Intergalactic
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Network'." ARPA draft, III-7) Before work on the ARPANET began, the
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very idea of the network was planted by the creation of the
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Information Processing Techniques Office of ARPA. Robert Taylor,
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Licklider's successor at the IPTO, remembers Lick's interest in
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interconnecting communities:
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"Lick was among the first to perceive the spirit of community created
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among the users of the first time-sharing systems... In pointing out
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the community phenomena created, in part, by the sharing of resources
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in one timesharing system, Lick made it easy to think about
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interconnecting the communities, the interconnection of interactive,
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on-line communities of people, ..." (ARPA draft, III-21)
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The "spirit of community" was related to Lick's interest in having
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computers help people communicate with other people (Licklider,
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Licklider, and Robert Taylor, "The Computer as a Communication
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Device") Licklider's vision of an "intergalactic network" connecting
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people represented an important conceptional shift in computer
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science. This vision was also an important beginning to the ARPANET.
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After the ARPANET was up and running, the computer scientists using it
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realized that assisting human communication was the most fundamental
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advance that the ARPANET made possible. (Cite Larry Roberts)
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As early as 1963, a common question asked of the IPTO directors by the
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ARPA directors about IPTO projects was "Why don't we rely on the
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computer industry to do that?", or ocassionally more strongly, "We
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should not support that effort because ABC (read, "computer industry")
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will do it - if it's worth doing!" (ARPA draft, III-23) This question
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leads to an important point - this ARPA research was different from
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what the computer industry had in mind to do - or was likely to
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undertake. Since Licklider's creation of the IPTO, the work supported
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by ARPA/IPTO continued his explicit emphasis on communications. The
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Completion Report explains,
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"The ARPA theme is that the promise offered by the computer as a
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communication medium between people, dwarfs into relative
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insignificance the historical beginnings of the computer as an
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arithmetic engine." (ARPA draft, III-24)
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The Completion Report goes on to differentiate ARPA from the computer
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industry:
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"The computer industry, in the main, still thinks of the computer as
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an arithmetic engine. Their heritage is reflected even in current
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designs of their communication systems.' They have an economic and
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psychological commitment to the arithmetic engine model, and it can
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die only slowly..." (ARPA draft, III-24)
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The Completion Report further analyzes this problem by tracing it back
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to the nation's institutions:
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"...furthermore, it is a view that is still reinforced by most of the
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nation's computer science programs. Even universities, or at least
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parts of them, are held in the grasp of the arithmetic engine
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concept...." (ARPA draft, III-24)
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Since Licklider's creation of the IPTO, the work supported by
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ARPA/IPTO continued the explicit communications emphasis. Thus history
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has witnessed the research and development which had led to the
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concrete existence of first the ARPANET, and later the Internet.
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Without the commitment that existed via this support, such a
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development might never have happened. One of ARPA's criterion for
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supporting research was such that it had to be of such a level to
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offer an order of magnitude of development. As most research and
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development is not immediately profitable, there has to be some kind
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of organization which helps to set higher goals than just in
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developing what will be immediately profitable. What is really strange
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is that computer networking is an immensely profitable field right now
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- only it is 25 years later.
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Others have understood the communications promise of computers. For
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example, in RFC 1336, David Clark is quoted,
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"It is not proper to think of networks as connecting computers.
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Rather, they connect people using computers to mediate. The great
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success of the internet is not technical, but in human impact.
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Electronic mail may not be a wonderful advance in Computer Science,
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but it is a whole new way for people to communicate. The continued
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growth of the Internet is a technical challenge to all of us, but we
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must never loose sight of where we came from, the great change we have
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worked on the larger computer community, and the great potential we
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have for future change."
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Various research outside of ARPA had been done by Paul Baron, Thomas
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Marill and others. [This history is covered well in the article "From
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ARPANET to USENET" by Ronda Hauben..ref] This led Lawrence Roberts and
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other IPTO staff to formally introduce the topic of networking
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computers of differing types (incompatible hardware and software)
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together in order to share resources to the early 1967 meeting of
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ARPA's Primary Investigators (PI).
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In the spring of 1967 at the University of Michigan, ARPA held its
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yearly meeting of the "principle investigators" from each of its
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university and other contractors. (ARPA draft, III-25) Results from
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the previous year's research was summarized and future research was
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discussed, either introduced by ARPA or the various researchers
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present at the meetings. Networking was one of the topics brought up
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at this meeting. (ARPA draft, III-25)
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The Completion Report continues the story:
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"At the meeting it was agreed that work could begin on the conventions
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to be used for exchanging messages between any pair of computers in
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the proposed network, and also on consideration of the kinds of
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communications lines and data sets to be used. In particular, it was
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decided that the inter-host communication 'protocol' would include
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conventions for character and block transmission, error checking and
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retransmission, and computer and user identification. Frank
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Westervelt, then of the University of Michigan, was picked to write a
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position paper on these areas of communication, an ad hoc
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'Communication Group' was selected from among the institutions
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represented, and a meeting of the group scheduled." (ARPA draft,
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III-26)
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In order to develop this network of varied computers, two main
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problems had to be solved:
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" 1. To construct a 'subnetwork' consisting of telephone circuits and
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switching nodes whose reliability, delay characteristics, capacity,
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and cost would facilitate resource sharing among computers on the
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network.
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2. To understand , design, and implement the protocols and procedures
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within the operating systems of each connected computer, in order to
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allow the use of the new subnetwork by the computers in sharing
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resources." (ARPA not draft, II-8)
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After one draft and additional work on this communications position
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paper report, a two-day meeting was scheduled in early October 1967 by
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ARPA to "discuss the protocol paper and specifications for the
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Interface Message Processor (IMP)." The IMP was the decided upon
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method of connecting the participants computers (hosts) to each other
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via phone lines. This standardized the network which the hosts
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connected to. Now, only the connection of the hosts to the network
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would depend on vendor type, etc. ARPA had picked 19 possible
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participants in what was now known as the "ARPA Network", rather than
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the previously vague descriptions.
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After the time of the 1967 PI Meeting, various computer scientists who
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were ARPA contractors were busy thinking about various aspects which
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would be relevant to the planning and development of the ARPANET. Part
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of that work was a document outlining a beginning design for the IMP
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network. This specification would lead to the ability to a put out a
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competitive procurement for the design of the IMP subnetwork.
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"At the end of 1967 ARPA initiated a small contract with the Stanford
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Research Institute for the development of specifications for the
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necessary communications system. Elmer Shapiro was to be the key
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person on this study. Published in the final version in December of
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1968 was a 71-page SRI report entitled "A Study of COmputer Network
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Design Parameters", an early version in early 1968 served as the first
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draft of the IMP specification...In February or March a memo written
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by Shapiro and revised by Kleinrock entitled "Functional Description
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of the IMP" was circulated. After the first draft by Shapiro, it is
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believed that Glenn Culler wrote a second draft, and Robert and
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Wessler of ARPA wrote the final version of the IMP specification. In
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any case, by the first of March, 1968, IPT was able to report to the
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Director of ARPA that specifications for the IMP were essentially
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complete, and that they would be discussed at the upcoming PI meeting
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with the goal of issuing a Request for Quotation shortly thereafter.
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The network was discussed at the PI meeting and by June 1968, the
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ARPANET procurement officially started." (ARPA draft, III-32)
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ARPA's Program Plan for the ARPANET was titled "Resource Sharing
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Computer Networks". It was submitted June 3, 1968, and approved by the
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Director June 21, 1968.
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The Completion Report explains that the Program Plan was, "an
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interesting document. The stated objectives of the program were to
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develop experience in interconnection computers and to improve and
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increase computer research productivity through resource sharing.
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Technical needs in scientific and military environments were cited as
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justification for the program objectives. Relevant prior work was
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described. It was noted that the computer research centers supported
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or partially supported by IPT provided a unique testbed for computer
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networking experiments, as well as providing immediate benefits to the
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centers and valuable research results to the military. The network
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planning that had gone on was described, the need for a network
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information center was noted, and the network design was sketched. A
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five year schedule for network procurement, construction, operation,
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and transfer out of ARPA was presented. (It was noteworthy that IPT
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had initially had in mind eventual transfer of the operational network
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to a common carrier.) Finally a several-million-dollar, several-year
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budget was stated." (ARPA draft, III-35)
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"The Defense Supply Service - Washington (DSS-W) agreed to be a
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procurement agent for ARPA. At the end of July the Request for
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Quotation for network IMPs was mailed to 140 potential bidders who had
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expressed interest in receiving it. Approximately 100 people from 51
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companies attended a subsequent bidders' conference. Twelve proposals
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were actually received by DSS_W comprising 6.6 edge-feet of paper and
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presenting an awesome evaluation task for IPT, which more normally
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awards contracts on a sole source basis. Attempting to evaluate the
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proposals "strictly by the book", an ARPA-appointed evaluation
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committee retired to Monterey, California, to carry out their task.
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ARPA was pleasantly surprised that several of the respondents believed
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that they could construct a network which performed as much as a
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factor of five better than the delay constraint given in the RFQ..."
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(ARPA draft, III-35)
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ARPA developed a program plan, which developed into a set of
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specifications. These specifications were connected to a competitive
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Request for Quotation to find an organization which would design and
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build the subnetwork between the IMPs.
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BBN won the contract to develop the IMP-to-IMP subnetwork. However the
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second technical problem still remained to be solved. The protocol to
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allow the hosts to communicate with each other over the subnetwork had
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to be developed. This work was left "for host sites to work out among
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themselves." (ARPA draft, III-67) This meant that both the hardware
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and software necessary to connect the hosts to the IMP subnetwork had
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to be developed. ARPA assigned this duty to the initial designated
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ARPANET sites. As each site had a different type of computer to
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connect, they individually were the best informed designers for their
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personal setups. In addition the sites needed to develop the hardware
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and software necessary to utilize the other hosts on the network.
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(ARPA draft, III-39) ARPA's assigning of responsibilities makes the
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academic computer science community become an active part of the
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ARPANET development team. (Interview with Alex McKenize, Nov, 1 1993)
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Steve Crocker associates the placement of the initial ARPANET sites at
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research institutions to the fact that the ARPANET was ground-breaking
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research. He wrote in a message responding to my questions on the
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COM-PRIV mailing list:
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"During the initial development of the Arpanet, there was simply a
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limit as to how far ahead anyone could see and manage. The IMPs were
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placed in cooperative ARPA R&D sites with the hope that these research
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sites would figure out how to exploit this new communication medium."
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(Crocker, 1993A)
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The first sites of the ARPANET were picked to provide either network
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support services or unique resources. They were also picked as deemed
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technically able of developing the protocols necessary to make
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communications between the varied computers connected possible. The
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key services the first four sites provided were
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"UCLA - Network Measurement Center SRI - Network Information Center
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UCSB - Culler-Fried interactive mathematics UTAH - graphics (hidden
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line removal)" (Cerf, Vinton 1993)
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Steve Crocker also recounts that the reason for selecting these
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particular four sites was because they were "existing ARPA computer
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science research contractors." This was important because "the
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research community could be counted on to take some initiative." (RFC
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1000, pg 1)
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The very first site to receive an IMP was UCLA. Professor Leonard
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Kleinrock of UCLA was involved with much of the early development of
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the ARPANET. His work consisted of understanding queueing theory and
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as such was one of the first computer scientists working on the
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ARPANET who was dealing with how to measure what was happening as the
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network would function. This made it natural to make sure that UCLA
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received the first node as it would be important to initiate the
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network from the site which would measure the networks activity. In
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order for the statistics to be correct and for analysis purposes - the
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first site had to be the measurement site. Sure enough UCLA was
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assigned to be the Network Measurement Center (NMC).[1]
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<< , >> , Title , Contents ----- ARPA History ends -----
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FIDONET HISTORY
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Jim Smoot Report by Bob Seaborn
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~~~~~~~~~
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This goes back to the late-early days of Fidonet (about 10 years ago).
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The major distribution was set up and functioning, and a couple of
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talented programmers came along from Holland. One, Harald Harms, wrote
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and developed ALLFIX, a quality file-tosser, that is still extensively
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used today. A second, Gerard van der Land, wrote Gecho, an extremely
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powerful echomail tosser, which while not being continued today,
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influenced the development of similar programs.
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With these developments came a Fidonet sysop, one Jim Smoot, at the
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time living in Texas, having retired from the US military, who worked
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with these programmers, and others, to market the fruits of their
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labour under what became known as the RegSite Team, at one time having
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members world-wide. Jim also actively developed a series of beta
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teams to work with the programmers and debug the developing programs,
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as well as test new features. During this time, Jim also represented
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other programs, including InterMail/InterEcho, Telemate, and many
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others. The RegSite Team and beta teams are still functioning today.
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About 3 years ago, Jim's health dramatically failed, he was diagnosed
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with severe emphysema, resulting in very low lung function. This was
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primarily caused by his military activities, coupled with years of
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smoking. He also moved from Texas to Tennessee, to be closer to his
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immediate family (and the NASCAR tracks). After various up's and
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down's, he was placed on the waiting list for a lung transplant. Well
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the time finally arrived, last evening (November 13, 2000) I received
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the following email from him:
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----------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2000 08:08:14 From: Jim & Nancy Smoot Subject: The
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time is upon us .....
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Only have a few minutes, but the Transplant Coordinator at H.H.
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McQuire Hospital in Richmond, VA called and they have a left lung for
|
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me. Ergo, they are sending a Jet Air Ambulance to Springfield for to
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pick me and Miz Nancy up and fly us to Richmond where they are going
|
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to replace my left lung tonight. They haven't even taken the lung out
|
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of the other person yet.....keeping him/her on a life support system
|
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until they can get me there. Beyond that, I have NO clue if its a guy
|
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or a girl's lung, not any of the circumstances involved with the
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person, nor how old or young (s)he is.
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I have a GREAT team of Pulmo Doctors up there, and their after surgery
|
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care is out of this world ..... really good. But, there is ALWAYS
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that element of chance in a procedure such as this ..... I just hope
|
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they are all sober tonight and feeling good. :)
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Gotta run; will keep everyone posted on whats what and how everything
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FIDONEWS 17-48 Page 21 20 Nov 2000
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is going on with me. Miz Nancy is already in a dither, running around
|
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here like a chicken with her head cut off ..... but she DOES have a
|
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method to her madness, I guarantee. I can already see some of her
|
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"doings" starting to fall into place. :)
|
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Thats it ..... gotta scoot. C U later, gang.
|
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All The Best,
|
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--- J. Smoot
|
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|
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I did have a chance to briefly talk with Jim prior to his leaving
|
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Springfield, and while he sounded somewhat worried, he was in
|
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|
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excellent spirits, joking about his flight north. I wished him the
|
|||
|
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best. At the time, he asked me to let his many Fido friends know what
|
|||
|
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was happening with him.
|
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|
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|
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It was obviously a long sleepless night for Jim's family and close
|
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|
|
friends, and early this morning I received a phobe call from Lisa, his
|
|||
|
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youngest daughter, who reported that as of 7:45 EST, Jim was still in
|
|||
|
|
the operating room, and the doctors were optimistic as to the
|
|||
|
|
prognosis. She sounded very worried and upset, albeit somewhat calm.
|
|||
|
|
Reported that she was in better shape than Nancy, her mother.
|
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|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
Then about 12:15 EST Lisa called again to report that Jim was out of
|
|||
|
|
the operating room, and in recovery, and all is good. He will be kept
|
|||
|
|
there for a couple of hours, then woken up and moved to the Intensive
|
|||
|
|
Care Unit for a couple of days, during which time he will be asked to
|
|||
|
|
walk around to get the lung functional. After that, they will be
|
|||
|
|
monitoring him for signs of rejection. Lisa sounded very relieved,
|
|||
|
|
and reported that Nancy (her mother) was in high spirits. I gathered
|
|||
|
|
that the plans were to keep him there for a few weeks.
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
~~~~~~~~~Our Prayers be With Jim~~~~~~~~~~~
|
|||
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|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
By: Lee Ayrton
|
|||
|
|
To: Warren Bonner
|
|||
|
|
Re: TAPS History WAS: FidoNews 17:47 [01/03] Articles
|
|||
|
|
St: Rcvd
|
|||
|
|
----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
Warren:
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
I realize that I'm in the running for FidoNet's Resident Curmudgeon
|
|||
|
|
position, and I'm not trying to pick on you, but you've really, really
|
|||
|
|
got to get an improved Paul Harvey/Ann Landers[1] filter. The
|
|||
|
|
*documented* history of the bugle call we now know as "taps" is much
|
|||
|
|
more interesting and considerably less maudlin.
|
|||
|
|
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|
|||
|
|
Editor's note: Not a contest to see who's version is correct or all
|
|||
|
|
that accurate, rather everyone's point of view considered. Might I add
|
|||
|
|
that Westpoint's *documentation* came long after Captain Ellicomb was
|
|||
|
|
a dim memory. Legends often are the root of true history.
|
|||
|
|
FIDONEWS 17-48 Page 22 20 Nov 2000
|
|||
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|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|
|||
|
|
From www.west-point.org/taps/Taps.htm
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
The Story of Taps:
|
|||
|
|
Ed-note: {Remodeled to please the Army brass at Westpoint}
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
The 24-note melancholy bugle call known as "taps" is thought to be a
|
|||
|
|
revision of a French bugle signal, called "tattoo" that notified
|
|||
|
|
soldiers to cease an evening's drinking and return to their garrisons.
|
|||
|
|
It was sounded an hour before the final bugle call to end the day by
|
|||
|
|
extinguishing fires and lights. The last five measures of the tattoo
|
|||
|
|
resemble taps.
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
The word "taps" is an alteration of the obsolete word "taptoo" derived
|
|||
|
|
from the Dutch "taptoe." Taptoe was the command - "Tap toe!" - to
|
|||
|
|
shut "toe to") the "tap" of a keg.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
The revision that gave us present-day taps was made during America's
|
|||
|
|
Civil War by Union Gen. Daniel Adams Butterfield, heading a brigade
|
|||
|
|
camped at Harrison Landing, Va., near Richmond. Up to that time, the
|
|||
|
|
U.S. Army's infantry call to end the day was the French final call,
|
|||
|
|
"L'Extinction des feux."; Gen. Butterfield decided the "lights out"
|
|||
|
|
music was too formal to signal the day's end. One day in July 1862 he
|
|||
|
|
recalled the tattoo music and hummed a version of it to an aide, who
|
|||
|
|
wrote it down in music. Butterfield then asked the brigade bugler,
|
|||
|
|
Oliver W. Norton, to play the notes and, after listening, lengthened
|
|||
|
|
and shortened them while keeping his original melody.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
He ordered Norton to play this new call at the end of each day
|
|||
|
|
thereafter, instead of the regulation call. The music was heard
|
|||
|
|
and appreciated by other brigades, who asked for copies and adopted
|
|||
|
|
this bugle call. It was even adopted by Confederate buglers.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
This music was made the official Army bugle call after the war, but
|
|||
|
|
not given the name "taps" until 1874.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
The first time taps was played at a military funeral may also have
|
|||
|
|
been in Virginia soon after Butterfield composed it. Union Capt. John
|
|||
|
|
Tidball, head of an artillery battery, ordered it played for the
|
|||
|
|
burial of a cannoneer killed in action. Not wanting to reveal the
|
|||
|
|
battery's position in the woods to the enemy nearby, Tidball
|
|||
|
|
substituted taps for the traditional three rifle volleys fired over
|
|||
|
|
the grave. Taps was played at the funeral of Confederate Gen.
|
|||
|
|
Stonewall Jackson 10 months after it was composed. Army infantry
|
|||
|
|
regulations by 1891 required taps to be played at military funeral
|
|||
|
|
ceremonies.
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
Taps now is played by the military at burial and memorial services, to
|
|||
|
|
accompany the lowering of the flag and to signal the "lights out"
|
|||
|
|
command at day's end.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
----- taps.txt ends -----
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
A few of the sites note that there are several different versions
|
|||
|
|
of the lyrics, which were not appended to the bugle call until
|
|||
|
|
several years after its adoption by the US Army.
|
|||
|
|
FIDONEWS 17-48 Page 23 20 Nov 2000
|
|||
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|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
Also, there's no evidence that Captain Ellicombe, USA (or, in some
|
|||
|
|
versions, Ellison) ever existed during the USAian "war between the
|
|||
|
|
states", much less that he stumbled across his own dead son in
|
|||
|
|
CSA uniform. That bit right there should have set off Urban Legend
|
|||
|
|
alarms.
|
|||
|
|
<That is what history usually records in many versions by authors>
|
|||
|
|
See also:
|
|||
|
|
www.va.gov/pubaff/celebAm/taps.htm
|
|||
|
|
www.arlingtoncemetery.com/taps.htm
|
|||
|
|
www.west-point.org/taps.htm
|
|||
|
|
www.mdw.army.mil/FS-H06.htm
|
|||
|
|
and, of course, the first place to look:
|
|||
|
|
www.snopes.com/spoons/fracture/taps.htm
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
IIRC, the snopes site includes links to a site with transcriptions
|
|||
|
|
of correspondence with Captain Butterfield and his recollections
|
|||
|
|
of the events.
|
|||
|
|
Ed-Note: Proof that the Army Brass designed this version, and in my
|
|||
|
|
mind was an after thought to the original, no disrespect to the Gen.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
[1] Paul Harvey, USAian radio personality and political commentatory
|
|||
|
|
long known for masterful retellings of compelling but false stories
|
|||
|
|
and Ann Landers, advice to the lovelorn columnist, long known for her
|
|||
|
|
lack of research and willingness to publish the most silly things.
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
Ed-note: Bringing Paul and Ann into this as some kind of
|
|||
|
|
substantiation of your findings is totally irrelevant as they wrote
|
|||
|
|
neither version of "TAPS".
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
--- Msged TE 05
|
|||
|
|
* Origin: Binkley's Anxiety Closet! (1:320/455)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|
|||
|
|
More History
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Subject: re: kwityer bitchin
|
|||
|
|
Date: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 10:28:40 PM
|
|||
|
|
From: [Click here to send a message.]lsi@lsi.clara.net
|
|||
|
|
To: [Click here to send a message.]editor@fidonews.org
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Hi,
|
|||
|
|
I was a member of FidoNet 1989-1994, being 3:690/611, 3:690/633,
|
|||
|
|
3:691/133, 3:691/196, among others. I recall at the time there was
|
|||
|
|
always a lot of infighting in the heirarchies, and there was always
|
|||
|
|
the onerous ZMH "technical" requirement, and there was always the
|
|||
|
|
secretive admin echoes, to which everyone gets calendestine access
|
|||
|
|
anyway......
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
But I recall most vividly, I was just thinking of it the other day
|
|||
|
|
actually, one particular issue of FidoNews which contained an email
|
|||
|
|
from a certain Kwityer Bitchin ......
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
In the email, Kwityer set about most eloquently describing the woes of
|
|||
|
|
the time. Which were, of course, all political in nature.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Now, ten years have passed, and I by accident find www.fido.net ... I
|
|||
|
|
FIDONEWS 17-48 Page 24 20 Nov 2000
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
feel like I have come home -- for a moment, until I realize why it was
|
|||
|
|
I left. You folks are just the same! You could dig up that copy of
|
|||
|
|
FidoNews from ten years ago, read Kwityer's article, and it would hold
|
|||
|
|
true, to the letter.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I write you this email via the heirarchy-free internet, where
|
|||
|
|
protecting free speech means being able to say what you want, not
|
|||
|
|
hiding what you say in sysop conferences, because I am, to be honest,
|
|||
|
|
disappointed that after all this time, there has been no change in the
|
|||
|
|
FidoNet approach.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
You even have the same old policy 4.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I am a FidoNet veteran -- yet still I was taken aback by the roasting
|
|||
|
|
I found at the very top of the editorial of the latest edition of
|
|||
|
|
fidonews on the web. Let's consider this. Imagine how many dog-
|
|||
|
|
lovers are having nightmares after inadvertently visiting the fidonet
|
|||
|
|
websites. Is there no sense of customer relations over there? Is the
|
|||
|
|
fidonews website for sharing information, or just another political
|
|||
|
|
tool?
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Don't worry, Kwityer answered that question a decade ago.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Good luck Stuart Udall stuart@cyberdelix.net http://cyberdelix.net/
|
|||
|
|
..revolution through evolution
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
PS: You are welcome to publish this letter to the editor.. I provide
|
|||
|
|
the following reference for your perusal.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Riddle, Mike., "An Open Letter to Kwityer Bitchin", Fidonews v7 n36,
|
|||
|
|
Sept 3 1990, pp5-7.
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
~~~~~~~~~~END~~~~~~~~~~
|
|||
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|
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|
|
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|
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FIDONEWS 17-48 Page 25 20 Nov 2000
|
|||
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|
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|
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|
|
=================================================================
|
|||
|
|
GETTING TECHNICAL
|
|||
|
|
=================================================================
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
by Steve Leeman
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
By: Steven Leeman To: All Re: V92 en V44 another occurence of the
|
|||
|
|
coming of a new modem protocol!
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
V92 speed flag (the uplink speed will now be updated from 33k6 to 44k)
|
|||
|
|
and a new compression flag based on LZH giving an improvement of 1:6
|
|||
|
|
instead of 1:4 called V44
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
was their room in the nodelist for additional flags?
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
=====================================================================
|
|||
|
|
* Forwarded by Steven Leeman (2:292/624) * Area : POINTS.028 (-
|
|||
|
|
FidoNet: Echo for Point from Holland) * From : Henri Derksen,
|
|||
|
|
2:280/1208@FidoNet (Thursday November 16 2000 00:57) * To : Allemaal
|
|||
|
|
* Subj : V92 en V44
|
|||
|
|
=====================================================================
|
|||
|
|
* Forwarded from "044 High Speed Modems in NL" * Originally by Henri
|
|||
|
|
Derksen * Originally to Allemaal * Originally dated 16 Nov 2000, 0:57
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Hallo Allemaal,
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
In het Engelstalige tijdschrift Acorn User issue 225 van Oktober 2000
|
|||
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wordt door SysOp David Dade van Arcade BBS melding gemaakt van het
|
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feit dat de ITU-T (voorheen CCITT) zojuist de V92 en de V44 modem
|
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standaarden heeft uitgebracht. Zie ook: http://www.acornuser.com
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Ter illustratie eerst even de tot nu toe bekende situatie (history):
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HighSpeed DataComm met een V90 modem op zowel Analoge als ISDN-lijnen
|
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of een combinatie van die twee.
|
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ITU-T V90 64000/56000/33600 bps (inclusief de rest van V34)
|
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BBS-user / Point BBS BossNode / InterNet Service Provider
|
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Originate modem Answer Modem Maximaal mogelijke snelheden in
|
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bps:
|
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1 Analoog Analoog Rx 33.600 / Tx 33.600 = V34+ / V34+ 2
|
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ISDN Analoog Rx 33.600 / Tx 56.000 = V34+ / V90c 3
|
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Analoog ISDN Rx 56.000 / Tx 33.600 = V90s / V34+ 4
|
|||
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ISDN ISDN Rx 56.000 / Tx 56.000 = V90 / V90 5
|
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ISDN ISDN Rx 64.000 / Tx 64.000 = V90 / V90
|
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Nieuw is de ITU-T V92 standaard met 44.000 bps in de plaats van de
|
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33.600 bps bij High Speed Split Bitrate verbindingen.
|
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ITU-T V92 64000/56000/44000 bps (inclusief de rest van V90 en V34)
|
|||
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BBS-user / Point BBS BossNode / InterNet Service Provider
|
|||
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Originate modem Answer Modem Maximaal mogelijke snelheden in
|
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FIDONEWS 17-48 Page 26 20 Nov 2000
|
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bps:
|
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1 Analoog Analoog Rx 44.000 / Tx 44.000 = V34+ / V34+ 2
|
|||
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ISDN Analoog Rx 44.000 / Tx 56.000 = V34+ / V92c 3
|
|||
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Analoog ISDN Rx 56.000 / Tx 44.000 = V92s / V34+ 4
|
|||
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ISDN ISDN Rx 56.000 / Tx 56.000 = V92 / V92 5
|
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ISDN ISDN Rx 64.000 / Tx 64.000 = V92 / V92
|
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|
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Noot: een oude bekende Low Speed Split Bitrate verbinding was
|
|||
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1200rx/75tx ;-). Vandaar de min of meer verplichte InterSpeedBuffer !
|
|||
|
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Zeker bij PC's die geen splitrate op hun seriele poort aankonden.
|
|||
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|
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|
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Ook nieuw is V44 een opvolger van V42bis OnLine DataCompressie. V44
|
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|
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maakt gebruik van het LZJH algoritme en heeft daardoor een maximale
|
|||
|
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OnLine Compressie verhouding van 1:6 tegen 1:4 bij V42bis, 25% beter
|
|||
|
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dus.
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
Vermoedelijk zijn V92 en V44 de laatste wijzigingen voor het analoge
|
|||
|
|
modem ? Immers na die tijd komen ISDN-, ADSL- en CAI-Coaxkabel-modems
|
|||
|
|
op de voorgrond.
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
Wie weet er meer over V92 en V44? Tot nu toe heb ik er nog zeer weinig
|
|||
|
|
tot niets van gehoord. Ik wilde mijn ZyXEL Elite 2864 modem (V34) met
|
|||
|
|
een flashrom upgraden naar V90, maar ik denk dat ik beter even kan
|
|||
|
|
wachten, totdat ook de V92 flashromimage beschikbaar is ?
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
Ben heel benieuwd naar jullie reacties en tot wedermails.
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
Met een vriendelijke groet van |_| |\ | |enri |/erksen, SysOp
|
|||
|
|
UniCorn BBS
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
NetMail: 77:8500/504.1 @ AcoNet 2:2801/208.1 @ FidoNet
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
InterNet E-Mail to: Henri_Derksen@aconet.org
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
UniCorn BBS: +31-(0)26-4425506 Modem 8N1 t/m V34 28.800 bps
|
|||
|
|
TeleFAX: +31-(0)26-4425506.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-+- + Origin: Connectivity is the Future; UniCorn BBS 31 26 4425506
|
|||
|
|
(2:280/1208)
|
|||
|
|
=====================================================================
|
|||
|
|
`T7 ]=[ http://welcome.to/skynetbbs (Dutch/English) ... Fidonet, Where
|
|||
|
|
do you want to go today --- * Origin: SkyNet Bbs <32-(0)16-580862>
|
|||
|
|
(2:292/624)
|
|||
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|
|||
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|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
|||
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|
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|
FIDONEWS 17-48 Page 27 20 Nov 2000
|
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|
|||
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|
|||
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=================================================================
|
|||
|
|
NET HUMOR
|
|||
|
|
=================================================================
|
|||
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|
|
|||
|
|
This column on humor is to somewhat offset the political squabbles.
|
|||
|
|
I hope it gives your funny bone a mild tickle...relax and enjoy.
|
|||
|
|
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|
|||
|
|
Subject: Dead or alive?
|
|||
|
|
A kindergarten teacher had a pupil tell her he had found a frog.
|
|||
|
|
She inquired as to whether it was alive or dead. "Dead," she was
|
|||
|
|
informed.
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
"How do you know?" she asked.
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
"Because I pissed in it's ear," said the child innocently.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
"You did WHAT?" squealed the teacher in surprise.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
"You know," explained the boy, "I leaned over and went 'PSSST'.
|
|||
|
|
It didn't move."
|
|||
|
|
---------------------------------------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
Guess who may run for President 2008
|
|||
|
|
------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Bill and Hillary are out driving in the country near Hillary's
|
|||
|
|
hometown. They are low on fuel, so Bill pulls into a gas station for
|
|||
|
|
a fill-up. The attendant comes out and begins to pump gas into the
|
|||
|
|
first couple's tank. As he is doing this, he looks into the passenger
|
|||
|
|
window. "Hey, Hillary. We used to date in high school, do you remember
|
|||
|
|
me?" he asks. They chat for a few minutes, Bill pays and the first
|
|||
|
|
couple leaves. As they drive Bill is feeling very proud of himself
|
|||
|
|
and looks over at Hillary. "You used to date that guy? Just think
|
|||
|
|
what it would be like if you had married him, "he says smugly. Hillary
|
|||
|
|
looks at Bill and shrugs. Then she replies, "Well I guess you'd be
|
|||
|
|
pumping gas and he would be the President
|
|||
|
|
--------------------------------------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
Little Johnny watched, fascinated, as his mother
|
|||
|
|
smoothed cold cream on her face.
|
|||
|
|
"Why do you do that mommy?" he asked.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
"To make myself beautiful," said his mother, who then
|
|||
|
|
began removing the cream with a tissue.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
"What's the matter?" asked Little Johnny. "Giving up?"
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
---------------------------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
Celebrating Holidays
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
An atheist complained to a friend, "Christians have
|
|||
|
|
their special holidays, such as Christmas and Easter;
|
|||
|
|
and Jews celebrate their holidays, such as Passover
|
|||
|
|
and Yom Kippur; Muslims have their holidays. EVERY
|
|||
|
|
religion has its holidays. But we atheists," he said,
|
|||
|
|
"have no recognized national holidays. It's an unfair
|
|||
|
|
discrimination." His friend replied, "Well... Why
|
|||
|
|
don't you celebrate April first?"
|
|||
|
|
FIDONEWS 17-48 Page 28 20 Nov 2000
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
---------------------------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
Popemobile
|
|||
|
|
POPE'S LIMOUSINE
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
The Pope had just finished a tour of the East Coast and was
|
|||
|
|
taking a limousine to the airport. Having never driven a
|
|||
|
|
limo, he asked the chauffeur if he could drive for a while.
|
|||
|
|
Without much of a choice, the chauffeur climbed in the back
|
|||
|
|
of the limo and the Pope took the wheel.
|
|||
|
|
After gleefully accelerating to about 90 mph, the Pope was
|
|||
|
|
pulled over by the State Patrol. The trooper came to his
|
|||
|
|
window, took a look inside, and said, "Just a moment,
|
|||
|
|
please. I need to call in."
|
|||
|
|
The trooper called in and asked for the chief. He told the
|
|||
|
|
chief, "I've got a REALLY important person pulled over and
|
|||
|
|
I need to know what to do."
|
|||
|
|
The chief replied, "Who is it? A senator?"
|
|||
|
|
The trooper said, "No, even more important."
|
|||
|
|
The chief asked, "It's the Governor, isn't it?"
|
|||
|
|
"No. More important."
|
|||
|
|
"The President?"
|
|||
|
|
"No. More important."
|
|||
|
|
"Well, Who the heck is it?!," screams the chief.
|
|||
|
|
"I don't know," said the trooper. "But he's got the Pope as
|
|||
|
|
a chauffeur."
|
|||
|
|
---------------------------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Every Sunday, a little old lady placed $1,000 in the collection plate.
|
|||
|
|
After several weeks the priest was overcome with curiosity and
|
|||
|
|
approached her. "I couldn't help but notice that you put $1,000 a week
|
|||
|
|
in the collection plate,"
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
"Why yes," she replied, "every week my son sends me money, and what I
|
|||
|
|
don't need I give to the church."
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
"That's wonderful, how much does he send you?"
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
"Oh, about $2,000 a week."
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
"Your son must be very successful, what does he do for a living?"
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
"He's a veterinarian," she answered.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
"That is an honorable profession. Where does he practice?"
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
"Well, he has one cat house in Kansas City and another in Dallas".
|
|||
|
|
------------------------------------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Coin Flip
|
|||
|
|
I'm sure that the idea of tossing a coin for the presidency is not
|
|||
|
|
original but I suggest a coin toss with a little extra twist. The
|
|||
|
|
Secretary of the Treasury should go to the mint and procure a brand
|
|||
|
|
new silver dollar. (Are we still making silver dollars?) The dollar
|
|||
|
|
should then be tossed into the air and the winner of the toss will
|
|||
|
|
then have his choice of either the presidency or the silver dollar.
|
|||
|
|
If he's smart he'll take the dollar.
|
|||
|
|
FIDONEWS 17-48 Page 29 20 Nov 2000
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-------------------------------------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
A keen Texas lad applied for a salesman's job at a city
|
|||
|
|
department store. The store was the biggest in the world
|
|||
|
|
and sold everything under the sun.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
"Have you ever been a salesman before?" the boss asked
|
|||
|
|
during his interview.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
"Yes, I was a salesman in Texas," the lad answered. The
|
|||
|
|
boss took an immediate liking to him and told him he
|
|||
|
|
could start the next day.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
"I'll come and see how you made out after we close up,"
|
|||
|
|
the boss said.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
The day was long and hard for the young man, but finally
|
|||
|
|
it was 5 o'clock. The boss closed up the store and found
|
|||
|
|
the lad sitting, slumped and exhausted, in a chair. "How
|
|||
|
|
many sales did you make today?" the boss asked.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
"One," said the lad.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
"One?" said the boss, obviously displeased. "Most of the
|
|||
|
|
sales people on my staff make 20 or 30 sales a day. How
|
|||
|
|
much was the sale worth?"
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
"Exactly $101,334.53," said the young man.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
"How did you manage that?!?" asked the boss,
|
|||
|
|
flabbergasted.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
"Well," said the lad, "this man came in and I sold him a
|
|||
|
|
small fish hook, then a medium fish hook, and finally a
|
|||
|
|
really large hook. Then I sold him a small fishing line, a
|
|||
|
|
medium one, and huge one. I asked him where he was
|
|||
|
|
going fishing, and he said he was going down the coast. I
|
|||
|
|
said he'd probably need a boat, so I took him down to
|
|||
|
|
the boat department and sold him that fancy 22-foot
|
|||
|
|
Chris Craft with twin engines. Then he said his Honda
|
|||
|
|
Civic probably wouldn't be able to handle the load, so I
|
|||
|
|
took him to the vehicle department and sold him a new
|
|||
|
|
GMC 1-ton pickup truck."
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
"You sold all that to guy who came in for a fish hook?"
|
|||
|
|
the boss asked in astonishment.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
"He didn't come in to buy a fish hook," the Texas boy
|
|||
|
|
explained. "He came in to buy a box of tampons for his
|
|||
|
|
wife, and I said to him, 'Your weekend's shot. You might
|
|||
|
|
as well go fishing.' "
|
|||
|
|
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
By: Dan Ceppa, Valencia (393/9005.30)
|
|||
|
|
---------------------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
FIDONEWS 17-48 Page 30 20 Nov 2000
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I had a customer buy a deer whistle.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
She returned it because she found out it was to scare deer away rather
|
|||
|
|
than call them to her!
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
FIDONEWS 17-48 Page 31 20 Nov 2000
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
=================================================================
|
|||
|
|
QUESTION OF THE WEEK
|
|||
|
|
=================================================================
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
By: Dave Hamilton
|
|||
|
|
To: Ross Cassell
|
|||
|
|
Re: ZC Election Procedures
|
|||
|
|
St:
|
|||
|
|
----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
RC> As a member of the RCC, I tried to make an eloquent presentation
|
|||
|
|
to RC> the others for a sysop level election by presenting a scenario
|
|||
|
|
with RC> imaginary numbers in which a ZC could be elected by winning
|
|||
|
|
the most RC> regions but not winning what would amount to be the
|
|||
|
|
popular vote..
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Let's see...
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Jeff Smith just said he wanted sysop-level, Carol said she wanted
|
|||
|
|
sysop-level. Darrell wanted sysop-level. Adding you makes four.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
How on earth did the vote come to be 8-2?
|
|||
|
|
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
If you said you supported sysop level elections, but voted in favour
|
|||
|
|
of an election policy that removed them, just say so. No one here will
|
|||
|
|
notice, I guarantee it.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
* Origin: Aurora Exploratoria - Ladysmith, BC, Canada (1:229/622)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
~~~~~~~~~~END~~~~~~~~~~
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
FIDONEWS 17-48 Page 32 20 Nov 2000
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
=================================================================
|
|||
|
|
NOTICES
|
|||
|
|
=================================================================
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
~~~~~~~
|
|||
|
|
These notices are filed here with the FidoNews as many readers may
|
|||
|
|
not read the "Z" echoes, and need to be informed about new releases.
|
|||
|
|
====================================================================
|
|||
|
|
By: Ross Cassell
|
|||
|
|
To: All
|
|||
|
|
--------------------------------------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
Hello All!
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
In light of all those clammorring for open access to the Z1REGCON
|
|||
|
|
echo, all three of them, I am backboning an echo which has a purpose
|
|||
|
|
similiar to that put in place by Ward Dossche regarding the ZCC echo.
|
|||
|
|
ZCC-PUBLIC is an echo that allows some posts from the super secret
|
|||
|
|
Zone Coordinator Council echo to be made public, I believe most of
|
|||
|
|
which are authored by Ward or posted by Ward with permission in those
|
|||
|
|
cases when he isnt the author.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I realize that this is not gonna alleviate all the fears expressed,
|
|||
|
|
but you can either take it or leave it, lets see if it works?
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I hope to have it backboned within a week or so, the elist message
|
|||
|
|
has been sent, the tagname is RCC-PUBLIC.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Here are the rules:
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
=== Cut ===
|
|||
|
|
RCC-PUBLIC RULES
|
|||
|
|
================
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
MODERATOR - Ross Cassell
|
|||
|
|
1:18/500 rcassell@home.com
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
[Purpose Of Echo]
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
A place in which each Zone One RC can at their option, crosspost into
|
|||
|
|
here anything that they posted in the Z1REGCON echo for the
|
|||
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* Scully and Mulder can be found on your nearest FOX TV station, look
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for conspiracies with them but not in here.
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* You are encouraged to engage in any dialogues that may result from
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what got posted here, however also use this echo as tool to engage
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your OWN RC in the regional forums appropriate for you.
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[Access and Other Things]
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* This echo may not be distributed beyond Fidonet Zone One.
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consumption by your BBS users, we dont need a matzdobre. <g>
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-The Moderator-
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=== Cut ===
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Ross
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E-mail: rcassell@home.com ICQ = 5305939
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--- GoldED/W32 3.0.1
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* Origin: The Dark Corner [Mail Hub] - 864.573.7069 (1:18/500)
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*Fidonet-related sites
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. -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- .
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| FIDONET-RELATED SITES |
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` -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- '
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Last update: November 4, 2000
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FidoNet
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Homepage: http://www.fidonet.org
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FidoNews: http://www.fidonews.org [HTML]
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ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/fidonet/fidonews/
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ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/
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Echolist: http://www.baltimoremd.com/echolist/
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Echomail links: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidonet/fidoip.html
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SDS Files: http://fidobbs.dk/download (Web Access to SDS)
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FTSC page: http://www.ftsc.org/
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General: http://www.writebynight.com/fidonet.html
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Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org
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Region 10: http://www.r10.org
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http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html
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Net 102 http://home.earthlink.net/~kayshapero/net102.htm
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Net 103: http://www.webworldinc.com/club103/
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Net 203: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/8687/net203index.html
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Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/
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Net 2410: http://www.earforce.dyndns.org/net2410/
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Region 12: http://sparkys.dyndns.org
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Region 13: http://www.net264.org/r13.htm
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Net 264: http://www.net264.org/
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Net 275: http://www.homershut.net/~mahoover/net275/
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Region 14: http://www.ouijabrd.com/region14
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Net 282: http://www.rxn.com/~net282/
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Region 15: <vacant>
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Region 16: <vacant>
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Region 17: http://www.nwstar.com/~region17/
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Net 140: http://www.nwstar.com/~net140
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Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/
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Region 19: http://bise.tzo.com/r19
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Net 124: http://www.startext.net/np/net124
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http://texoma.net/~flv
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Net 130: http://www.startext.net/homes/net130
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Net 393: http://www.chatter.com/~wb/
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Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org
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ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/zone2 (Z2 nodelists etc.)
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Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
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Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)
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Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
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http://www.was-ist-fido.de/
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Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German)
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Region 25: http://www.literary.freeserve.co.uk/net2502/
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Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie
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REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
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Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
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Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French)
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http://Welcome.to/skynetbbs/
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Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (German)
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? Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian)
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Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish)
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REC34: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4552/
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Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/
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Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
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Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)
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Region 42: http://www.fido.cz
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! Net422: http://www.fido.sk (Slovak/English)
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Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian)
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Net 5010: http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/ (Russian)
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Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian)
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Net 5028: http://5028.yaroslavl.ru/
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Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English)
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Net 5049: http://www.n5049.z2.fidonet.org (English/Russian)
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Net 5074: http://www.z2.n5074.fidonet.net
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?? Net 5085: http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian)
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Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org
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Zone 4:
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Region 80: http://fidobrasil.8m.com (Portuguese)
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Region 90:
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Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)
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Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/
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Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org
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Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html
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(Chinese)
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Fidonet Via Internet Hubs
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See also: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidoip.html
|
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a @ preceding an individual's name implies a virtual email
|
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address. The email is translated as follows
|
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firstlast@osirusoft.com will automatically route to the
|
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|
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appropriate individual's email. Anyone in this list will
|
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|
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also receive routed notice of this feature. In my case, it
|
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|
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would still be joejared@osirusoft.com, but you get the idea.
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Also, as information is provided to me, I will be adding a
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|
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latency field to each node, which is defined as the maximum
|
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time between when the message is received, and when it is
|
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|
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sent on to other nodes, or available to be sent onward,
|
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defined in minutes. A latency of ! implies that there is an
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immediate response, and an attempt to deliver immediately
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after processing, or a "MinuteMail System", as it were.
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v-email flag firstnamelastname@osirusoft.com
|
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| email address or
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Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
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| | |latency|
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-----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
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Zone 1 | | | |
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10/3 | Brenda Donovan | FTP,UUE,BinkP | 384K,30| n/c
|
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|
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10/345 @ Todd Cochrane | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,! | n/c
|
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12/12 @ Ken Wilson | FTP | T1 | $24mo.
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13/25 @ Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo.
|
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19/68 | Ben Ritchey | UUE:BFDS | 33.6k | n/c
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103/5 @ Mark Luetger | BinkP | 384k,!| n/c
|
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103/153 @ Michael Box | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c
|
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103/301 @ Joe Jared | BinkP,FTP,NFS | 384k,!| n/c
|
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|
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103/401 @ Warren Bonner | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c
|
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|
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105/8 | Russ Johnson | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k | n/c
|
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|
|
105/72 @ Larry James | FTP, BinkP | aDSL | $50/yr
|
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|
|
106/1 @ Steve Loupe | BinkP, FTP | 128k | ???
|
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|
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106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP, VMoT | aDSL,60| n/c
|
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|
|
107/453 @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
|
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|
|
140/1 @ Bob Seaborn | FTP,BinkP | T3,30 | $5/$16
|
|||
|
|
167/133 | Stephen Monteith | BinkP | 128k+ | n/c
|
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|
|
211/417 @ Korombos | BinkP,UUE,FTP | T1 | n/c
|
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|
|
218/109 @ Matt Munson | BinkP,UUE | 33.6k | n/c
|
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|
|
246/160 @ Mason Vye | FTP, UUE | 56K | n/c
|
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|
|
249/116 | Carl Austin Bennett | FTP, UUE |ADSL,60 | n/c
|
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|
|
280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo.
|
|||
|
|
342/3 @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c
|
|||
|
|
395/670 | Arthur Stark | BinkD,FTP | 128k | n/c
|
|||
|
|
379/1 @ Dale Ross | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c
|
|||
|
|
396/1 @ John Souvestre | FTP,VMoT | T1,10 | $5/mo
|
|||
|
|
396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr
|
|||
|
|
2604/104 @ Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo
|
|||
|
|
2613/404 @ David Moufarrege | BinkP,FTP,VMoT | 128k+,!| n/c
|
|||
|
|
2624/306 | David Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c
|
|||
|
|
3613/2 @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE | 28.8 | n/c
|
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|
|
3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
|
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|
|
3639/93 @ Ross Cassell | FTP, BinkP |128K+,!| n/c
|
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|
3651/9 @ Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6
|
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|
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Zone 2 |
|
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20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c
|
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|
31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | T1+ | n/c
|
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|
|
203/600 | Mikael Karlsson | UUE | 64k | n/c
|
|||
|
|
221/360 @ Tommi Koivula | BinkP,UUE | ??? | n/c
|
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|
|
236/205 @ Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c
|
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|
246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c
|
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|
|
280/1601 @ Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c
|
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|
|
292/620 | Eddy Missoul | VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 64k |N/C
|
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292/624 | Steven Leeman | UUE | 64k | N/C
|
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|
292/907 | Bart Verhaeghe | BinkP,VMoT,UUE | 64K | n/c
|
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|
|
292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c
|
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|
|
301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | 768k | n/c
|
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|
332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c
|
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FIDONEWS 17-48 Page 37 20 Nov 2000
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335/535 @ Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c
|
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335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
|
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344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c
|
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346/3 @ Carlos Navarro | UUE | ??? | n/c
|
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382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP | ??? | n/c
|
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406/555 | Ofir Michaeli & | BinkP | ??? | n/c
|
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|
406/555 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP | ??? | n/c
|
|||
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|
423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c
|
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|
|
464/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | 19.2 | n/c
|
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|
|
465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c
|
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|
|
469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c
|
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|
|
480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c
|
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|
|
2411/413 @ Dennis Dittrich | UUE,BinkP | 64k | n/c
|
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|
|
2446/301 @ Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c
|
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|
|
2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn
|
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|
|
5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c
|
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|
|
5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c
|
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|
|
5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
|
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|
|
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|
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Zone 3
|
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|
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633/260 @ Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c
|
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|
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640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
|
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|
|
774/605 @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c
|
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|
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|
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Zone 4
|
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|
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905/100 | Fabian Gervan | VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 128k | n/c
|
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902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c
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--
|
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|
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* FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol
|
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|
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* VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
|
|||
|
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* UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers
|
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|
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* BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks
|
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|
|
* NFS = Linux Networking
|
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|
|
----------------------------------------------
|
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|
|
Fidonet oriented news servers
|
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|
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|
|
news.osirusoft.com
|
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|
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news.tardis.net
|
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|
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|
|
Fidonet oriented chat rooms.
|
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|
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|
|
room #fidonet 5PM (PDT 11AM GMT) Sundays
|
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|
|
irc.osirusoft.com (Peers wanted)
|
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----------------------------------------------
|
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|
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|
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Please send updates, corrections and suggestions to
|
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|
|
Joe Jared, 1:103/301, joejared@osirusoft.com. All email addresses
|
|||
|
|
here for purpose of corresponding with fidonet members about
|
|||
|
|
obtaining a feed. Improper use of the virtual email addresses, and
|
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|
|
most especially, email addressed to blockme@relays.osirusoft.com
|
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|
|
will be considered a request to be blocked by my open relay spam
|
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|
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stopper at http://relays.osirusoft.com
|
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| Editor: Warren D. Bonner, 1:1/23, editor@fidonews.org |
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| Webmaster: Jim Barchuk, jb@fidonews.org |
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| Columnist: Joe Jared, 1:103/0, joejared@osirusoft.com |
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| (Fido Via Internet Hubs column) |
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| Columnist: Ol' WDB, 1:103/401, fidonews@netscape.net |
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| Humor: Chuckles & Grins, emailed to editor |
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| Tom Jennings, Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell, Vince |
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trademarks of Tom Jennings, P.O. Box 410923, San Francisco, CA
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Fidonews is published weekly by and for the members of Fidonet.
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Fidonews is Copyright (C) 2000 by Warren Bonner, though authors
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retain rights to their contributed articles. Opinions expressed
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by theauthors is strictly their own. Noncommercial duplication
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The weekly edition of Fidonews is distributed through the file
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