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F I D O N E W S -- Vol.12 No. 3 (16-Jan-1995)
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| A newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: |
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| FidoNet BBS community | "FidoNews" BBS |
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| /|oo \ | Small animal psychology and |
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| (_| /_) | Spiritual guidance Department: |
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| _`@/_ \ _ | Rev. Richard Visage 1:163/409 |
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| | (*) | \ )) | Editor: |
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| |__U__| / \// | Donald Tees 1:221/192 |
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| _//|| _\ / | Sylvia Maxwell 1:221/194 |
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| (_/(_|(____/ | Tim |
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| (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. |
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| | -- JOSEPH PULITZER |
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| Submission address: editors 1:1/23 |
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| MORE addresses: |
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| Don -- don@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca |
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| Tim Pozar -- pozar@kumr.lns.com |
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| David Deitch -- 1:133/411.411, deitch@gisatl.fidonet.org |
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| submissions=> editor@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca |
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| For information, copyrights, article submissions, |
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| obtaining copies of fidonews or the internet gateway faq |
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Table of Contents
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1. Editorial..................................................... 1
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2. Articles...................................................... 2
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Cutting Edge UFO and Science Information.................... 2
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Subject: An article......................................... 4
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Subject: Hello, it's me again............................... 4
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subj: Dictatorship in Zone 4................................ 5
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New Echo: U2............................................... 7
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3. Fidonews Information.......................................... 8
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Editorial
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FidoNews 12-03 Page: 2 16 Jan 1995
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Well, the echos are still full of Mr. Winters. It is
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getting quite boring. Maybe we should all pledge not to write a
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word to or about Steve for a week. It would probably lower
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the world's energy consumption by 50%.
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It seems to me that about 99% of all the serious fights in
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Fidonet are the result of either CRP disputes or nodelist
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maintenance being used as a dispute settling mechanism. Maybe
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nodelist maintenance should be made a separate function from net
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chairman, and net treasurer a separate function from NEC.
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Maybe some people already do that. On to the articles.
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Cutting Edge UFO and Science Information
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Hmmm..... What _is_ all the fuss about anyway? What fuss you
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say? Well, if you are into the UFO phenomenon, and you monitor
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Fido echoes that cover that topic, then you would have seen a
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big FUSS that started the very day that a new 'kid' hit the
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block. Last May, 1994, the I_UFO echo hit the backbone, and the
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attacks began from the start. First there were accusations of
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"She told everyone it was on the backbone before it really
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was... we oughta start a policy complaint against her". Say
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What? Later, they recant, "oh our Fidonet.NA was the wrong date,
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sorry". But the story is still repeated as if true, seven months
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later. So, what _is_ the problem? Why, I_UFO is just another
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echo..... Guess there is more to it than that.
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Then within the first few weeks of the new echo trying to get
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settled in, comes the barrage of "skeptic approved" articles.
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Now, I understand that for some, being a skeptic is the exact
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same thing as a religion. To some skeptics, saying you believe
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in Extra-terrestrials, is like calling their Momma a dog in
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heat. So, during the bombing run of skeptic articles, I say,
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"um, excuse me, this area does not allow ridiculing people who
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have had UFO related experiences. Will you please stop posting
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the skeptic magazine articles?" Figure if you ask nice, you can
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get results. Naw. No. No. No. See the point is, either I_UFO
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comes under control of the Net-UFO-censors and their cronies, or
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I_UFO can't be.
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Oh, that was the choice alright, only it took me about four
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months to realize that destroying I_UFO by any means possible
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was the real intent and goal. But again, it begs the question,
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Why? Who'd'a'thunk that the UFO topic was that touchy a subject?
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Apparently to some, it is, when it involves views that they do
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not agree with. But, what happened to, "if you don't like an
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echo, bone your own"? Well, I did that, so now why have I had to
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suffer this relentless abuse for EIGHT SOLID MONTHS!
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By the fourth month, I had done all that I could, to reason with
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these handful of annoying antagonizers, and I banned the whole
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FidoNews 12-03 Page: 3 16 Jan 1995
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lot of them in one fell swoop; branding them "excessively
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annoying". Oh Boo! Hoo! The cry-babies have been whining ever
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since, and they wage their attacks in the other UFO areas;
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actively coercing net-users, with their inflamed, and
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fabrication-filled rhetoric, not to participate in I_UFO. But,
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again, I say, WHY?
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Then, I catch one of them, a moderator of a Fido echo,
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implementing a publicly-admitted plan of "attack" against a user
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in I_UFO; which attack he waged, for over two weeks, and I
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SUSPENDED him for 90 days. Guess what he did? He announces that
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he is gonna file a policy complaint to have me removed as
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Moderator of my own echo! He cites a handful of meaningless, and
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trumped up charges, and starts the ball of flames rolling again
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in his echo. SHEESH! If this doesn't take the cake? Why is I_UFO
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such a threat to these people? Will someone explain this? So,
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then he posts in I_UFO, violating his suspension, so I BAN him
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forever. OH MY GOD! An irate SysOp says he won't allow his users
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to post in I_UFO. A new kind of censorship, I guess. A couple of
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weeks later, everyone realizes his policy complaint would not
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hold water; this from a SysOp and Moderator. Then he posts in
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I_UFO again. Well, I guess we _have_ to ask to have his feed
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cut; so much for the honor system.
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You would think it would be all over by now, but these people
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will not be satisfied until I_UFO is not a Fidonet echo; that
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much is clear. The discussions they are flaming nowadays might
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well be moderated in a FLAME echo. The lies they make up and say
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about people are the products of sick-minds!
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This situation is more than echo-politics, or echo-rivalries, or
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even ego-wars. These people are sick! They work feverishly to
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persuade anyone who will believe them, not to read the I_UFO
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echo. Well, that begs the same ole question; WHY? Well, I have
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one idea. We have a lot of cutting-edge information in the I_UFO
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echo. These people act like censors, in that they do not want
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net-users to see anything that would disagree with their view of
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reality. I told ya, it is like a religion with them. All I and
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anyone who uses I_UFO, want, is to be left alone. It is just a
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message echo, for Pete's Sake! Grow Up! You can't control all
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the Science and UFO information in FidoNet! Nor Politics and
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Religion!
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Areafix I_UFO to see not only the great info we share, but also
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the pleasant atmosphere we keep for people to share all
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viewpoints related to UFO's and New Science. So, if you have a
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mind of your own, and can think on your own, and don't need
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ufo-net-censors to tell you what to believe, check I_UFO out,
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where you can post your views without being ridiculed.
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Glenda Stocks
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I_UFO Co-Moderator 1:330/201
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FidoNews 12-03 Page: 4 16 Jan 1995
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From: Federico Joselevich (4:900/109)
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Subject: An article
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On Fidonew's January issue, Jow Shear wrote:
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> One of the biggest frustrations I have as a SysOp when it comes to
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> users, is why won't they use the message bases?
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Well, it seems to be a WWP (Wide World Problem). I'm the SysOp of a
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cultural BBS. The shot of my BBS is to make a contact between the
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users and the Literature (such a problem). I've got a lot of seccions
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of good writters like E. A. Poe, Julio Cortazar, Mario Benedetti,
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etc. But the users entered to seek files... So, the point -I think-
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is only to see what is the idea of a BBS: if you want a literary BBS,
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make it -literaly-, if you want a messageistic BBS, make it
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messageistic. Forget on providing files or such things. A lot of
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users will go away, but, who stays will use the BBS as it is, in the
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way it was thought.
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Well, a short answer with english problems. It seems to me that I
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need an English School BBS with no files, no messages and no
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literature. ;)
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Federico Joselevich
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SysOp of Carreteras del Viento (+54-1-544-6241)
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federico@appeal.uba.ar
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From: William Scott Lockwood (1:2235/429)
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Subject: Hello, it's me again.
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Reply to Brendan Keyport
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By WIlliam Scott Lockwood III
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This will be the final word on this subject my be in the
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Snooze. I'd be happy to discuss this in IM_HELP or any of the
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sysop echos.
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>Lee L. The current moderator, has never made any unwarrented cuts from
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>the echo. William is angry for his being moderated agaist in a problem
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>between him and several others over a file he was advertising (I got a
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>warning too).
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Unwarrented is when your feed is cut for flaming the
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moderator for being a geek and a gimp -IN NETMAIL. His decision
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was arbitrary, and not based on anything other than the
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knowledge that he would get away with it if he did it. This is
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not only unfair to me, but it is unfair to everyone else he's
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done this to in FidoNet. I had every right to express my
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displeasure in any way I saw fit! Why? Because it was not in
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the echo, I ALWAYS complied with his requests there. Give it up
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FidoNews 12-03 Page: 5 16 Jan 1995
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man, no one is falling for this.
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You need not worry about IM_HELP. After Speaking with one
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of the authors at Intermail, I have agreed to do nothing further
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until I hear back from them. At that time, if all goes well, I
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will simply turn over the password to Lee or Peter or Patrick,
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and all will be happy.
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The real point here, is that moderators have much to much
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power over how they exercise their offices. After all, who's
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paying for this? What FidoNet as a whole needs, is a policy like
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ECROC to insure that FEEDS ARE NOT CUT FOR BULLSHIT like mine
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was.
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I was not the only person that this happened to. I have
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recieved mail from several others stating they had had a similar
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problem, and refuse to carry the conferance as a result. This
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is not fair and equitable, this does not do the greatest good
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for the greatest number. That is what I feel we need.
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>PS to WSLIII - Flames can be sent to NUL.
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P.S. to Brendan Keyport, your whole messages belongs there.
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Yours,
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subj: Dictatorship in Zone 4
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Hello Fidonetters!
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Recently we've heard many cases of arbitrariety against lots of persons
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in Fidonet. Here in Z4 isn't quite different.
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In the last days, a dictator took place in the ZC4 position.
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This week our current ZC4, Mr. Gamey Garcia, suddenly decided to
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excommunicate our RC80 (Mauricio Andrade) from his position, and
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assigned another person, without known reasons or previous
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communication.
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Here follows the message posted by Mr. GG in the LATIN.SYSOP echomail,
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with my own comments included:
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From : Gamey Garcia, (4:970/1) Mon 09 Jan 95 10:51 [LATIN.SYSOP]
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To : All
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Subj : New R80C appointed
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Due to the circumstances that have been taking place in Region 80, I
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have decided to appoint a new coordinator to replace the current one, to
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bring the situation back to normal. This is a radical move that I have
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FidoNews 12-03 Page: 6 16 Jan 1995
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never had to make before, and expect I will not have to again in the
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future, but that was needed in this case.
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*---[Comments ON]---*
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Mr. Gamey Garcia has a long experience in such cases. He was appointed
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as a temporary-ZC4 for a 4 months period, and one of his jobs was to
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coordinate a new election. But guess how long this guy took to start
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this election?? Only TWO YEARS, and not to mention that it wasn't a
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clean election. He simply changed the election method, and won against
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our excommunicated RC80, Mauricio Andrade, in a 4x3 result.
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Normal ?! What this guy knows as "normal situation in Brazil" ?! He
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lives in Mexico, isn't member of R80... how he knows what's normal ?
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Another question made by 100% of the Region80: Based in which facts Mr.
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GG take this action?! It's not mentioned in his message, or am i blind
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or what?!?
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*---[Comments OFF]---*
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The new coordinator for Region 80 will be Jorge Martins. He will be
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responsible of enforcing Policy4 in the region to avoid the situations
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that have taken place for some time now. Jorge Martins is hereby
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appointed for a period of 4 months that will be extended by myself only
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if necessary. If everything works out as expected, there will be new RC
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elections in Region 80 in May.
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*---[Comments ON]---*
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Huh... who's this guy appointed by him?! Everybody in R80 knows Mr.
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Jorge Martins by it's "good" behaviour. It's a person without any
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knowledge in performing a job like this, as he never was even a HUB, nor
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Very interesting the person appointed by Mr. Gamey Garcia... it's a
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well-known blind follower of our ZC's thoughts...
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There will be no excommunications without my authorization. However, the
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RC has my support in the process he will carry out to normalize the
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situation in the region, in which he will possibly have to replace
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certain coordinators and hold new elections for some nets.
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*---[Comments ON]---*
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Again, another surprise. One of the first acts of the appointed RC80 was
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to KILL four growing nets (4:8027, 4:8062, 4:8082 and 4:8085) created in
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the our excommunicated administration. It's a clear demonstration of
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R80's power-cutting performed by Mr. Gamey Garcia and its gang.
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I have instructed the newcomer to clean up the nodelist from unnecessary
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PVT HOLD and DOWN entries, as well as provided him with guidelines on
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how to use those entries, that he will pass on to the NC's. I have
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instructed him to immediately remove all region- independent
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administrative entries from the region's segment, and assign new ones in
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the future, as he sees convenient.
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FidoNews 12-03 Page: 7 16 Jan 1995
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*---[Comments ON]---*
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Another arbitrary decision. Mr. Gamey Garcia decided to excommunicate
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all his oppositors, in a clear wish to excommunicate me, as i'm one of
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his great oppositors and of the new appointed RC80.
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Mr. GG's decision isn't very smart, as he didn't notice that his own
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region has PVT nodes, as well as others regions... Thinking well, it was
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a very good decision, so everybody may understand now our ZC's
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intention.
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*---[Comments OFF]---*
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Regards to everybody, and good luck to the sysops in Region 80.
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Oh well, buy a pack of aspirines and pray for God, because you will need
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him much more than luck.
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Gamey...............
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E-Mail: alex%netpe@ibase.org.br
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New Echo: U2
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by Ryan Shaw
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The U2 Fan Echo
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Rules and Guidelines for the Fidonet Echomail Conference: U2
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EchoTag: U2
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Description: U2 is a place for fans and nonfans of the Irish
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Rock band U2 to get together, discuss their music,
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trade gossip tidbits, exchange U2 guitar tablatures,
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and trade recordings among other things.
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Posts from the U2 Internet mailing list "Wire" are
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also gated to the conference so there will never be
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a shortage of traffic or new information out of Dublin.
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General Echo Guidelines:
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1) The moderator is the moderator and has the final say of anything
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that has anything to do with the echo U2.
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2) While criticism of the band and its music is tolerated and even
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encouraged, insults directed at individuals based on their personal
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taste will not be tolerated.
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3) Gating of the conference is allowed as long as permission is granted
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by the moderator before gating begins.
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Now that all that mumble-jumble is over with, on to U2! Enjoy.
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Ryan Shaw
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FidoNews 12-03 Page: 8 16 Jan 1995
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Sysop, Zoo Station - Eugene, Oregon (1:152/67)
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Moderator, U2
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Note: The echo will be in the next EList. Also, due to the
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recent relaxation of the backbone policy it could easily be
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backboned in the near future due to the current volume of 30+
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messages/week.
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If you are interested in getting a feed at this time, please
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contact me at 1:152/67@fidonet.org or at
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rshaw@gladstone.uoregon.edu. In your message please include
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session-level and packet passwords, as well as desired
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compression method and the times you wish to poll.
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Or, if you'd like to check the echo out before deciding to hook
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up to it you can file request U2MSGS from my system 24 hours a
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day seven days a week. This is a small archive containing last
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week's messages.
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these articles are those of the authors and not necessarily those of
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FidoNews.
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|
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|
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|
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INTERNET USERS: FidoNews is available via FTP from ftp.fidonet.org,
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Anyone interested in getting a copy of the INTERNET GATEWAY FAQ may
|
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freq GISFAQ.ZIP from 1:133/411.0, or send an internet message to
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fidofaq@gisatl.fidonet.org. No message or text or subject is
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|
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|
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|
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"the pulse of the cursor is the heartbeat of fidonet"...
|
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