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F I D O N E W S -- | Vol. 8 No. 24 (17 June 1991)
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The newsletter of the |
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FidoNet BBS community | Published by:
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/ \ | "FidoNews" BBS
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/|oo \ | (415)-863-2739
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(_| /_) | FidoNet 1:1/1
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_`@/_ \ _ | Internet:
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|__U__| / \// | Editors:
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_//|| _\ / | Tom Jennings
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(_/(_|(____/ | Tim Pozar
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Published weekly by and for the Members of the FidoNet international
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amateur network. Copyright 1991, Fido Software. All rights reserved.
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Duplication and/or distribution permitted for noncommercial purposes
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only. For use in other circumstances, please contact FidoNews.
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Paper price: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $5.00US
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Electronic Price: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . free!
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For more information about FidoNews refer to the end of this file.
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Table of Contents
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1. EDITORIAL ..................................................... 1
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A smorgasbord of possibilities ................................ 1
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2. FIDONET NEWS .................................................. 6
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3. ARTICLES ...................................................... 12
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The 2nd Asian BBS Sysops' Conference in Taipei, 1991 .......... 12
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By Vince...and Thanks ......................................... 14
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Who *are* these guys? ......................................... 16
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Public Key Encryption Standard Anyone? ........................ 20
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Message Master - a Classic Window's Message Editor ............ 21
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SIGN FRIENDS PROGRAM-New Version Released ..................... 22
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WorldCon 1991 Important Announcement .......................... 23
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A Draft Elections Policy ...................................... 32
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A Word from the Bible - The Re-Birth of Water IS Baptism ...... 35
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4. RANTS AND FLAMES .............................................. 38
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Fidocult: Occult Mania Hits FidoNews .......................... 38
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Speaking In Verse: Desired Editorial Policy for FNews ........ 39
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5. CLASSIFIEDS ................................................... 42
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6. NOTICES ....................................................... 43
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The Interrupt Stack ........................................... 44
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7. LATEST VERSIONS ............................................... 46
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Latest Software Versions ...................................... 46
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A smorgasbord of possibilities ...
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by Tom Jennings
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This editorial is kinda long, so I've broken it into sections:
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I MADE A MISTEAK: FidoNews compression method
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UNPLEASANT DIGRESSION: Content, policy, censorship in FidoNews
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BACK TO FIDONEWS: Suggestions to authors on content
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MY TRAVEL PLANS: I'll be out of town for 6 weeks
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PROGRAM VERSION LIST: It should be split off as a separate project
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NEW SECTIONS: ... added to FidoNews
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UNFINISHED PROJECTS: Things we need in FidoNews
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I MADE A MISTEAK:
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Between taking over a new, complex system on short notice, and not
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asking the right questions, I managed to create FidoNews in a
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compression format that a signifigant portion of the net could not
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decompress. My sincere apologies! It was definitely not intentional.
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Starting with this issue, FidoNews will again be compressed in the
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near-universal ARC format. Again, my apologies to all the non-MSDOS
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systems out there.
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(And oooh are we touchy -- with few exceptions, I was informed of
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my mistake by being accused of all sorts of conspiratorial wrong
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doing, which is very exciting, but unfortunately wrong. "Thank you"
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to the two or three who informed me in a civilized manner.)
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UNPLEASANT DIGRESSION:
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This will be the only time I'll directly address this, so it's OK to
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read.
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I'm getting lots of complaints regarding Steve Winter's articles. Some
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were simply flames that didn't qualify as articles except the filename
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convention. I think it's funny (and depressing in oh so many ways)
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that I'm the one defending a fundie christian's writings. Does it mean
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I like it or agree with him? Nope. I might even have rude things to
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say about it, if I wasn't editor of this rag (sic). (You think that's
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contradictory? Maybe you should find out what an editor is for.)
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The "reasonable" rules you would use to strike his writings from
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FidoNews are the same ones that you'd use to strike anything else that
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some person or group complaining loud enough didn't like. The proposed
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"rules" received in the mail would turn FidoNews into a somewhat less
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dry version of COMPUTERWORLD or DATAMATION.
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FidoNews 8-24 Page 2 17 Jun 1991
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Policies involving people's personal/social aspects should be
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determined by setting very broad limits of acceptable behavior, not by
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defining a "norm" and making things adhere to it. (I agree that the
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stuff in question is an extreme.) It's a slippery slope -- if by
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policy you eliminate "extreme stuff", you'll find that there were
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things less-extreme that are now under scrutiny; and so on ad
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infinitum. A dangerous long-term policy for a vehicle that changes
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hands periodically. We are setting precedent here for the future.
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Fact: I am not going to give in to censorious types (even though you
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insist you are not, you are).
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* * * * *
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I found this Letter to the Editor in the S.F. Bay Guardian, a weekly
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newspaper in the Bay Area.
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[Regarding the inclusion of a weekly horoscope column in the S.F. Bay
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Guardian)
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"[...]
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"Some people no doubt read them because they know good advice when
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they see it, and of course, a few really believe. A lot more, like me,
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just think they're fun -- like fortune cookies.
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"Then there are the few tiresome cranks who object, wanting to censor
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our newspapers. I hope you simply ignore them.
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"These people never see how they damage their own cause. They come
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across as anti-free speech, generate sympathy for those they would
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censor, make it easy to dismiss them as dogmatists pushing a different
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belief system, don't change any minds, and worst of all, implicitly
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suggest they can only address the matter by gagging the opposition."
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Rick Moen
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Secretary, Bay Area Skeptics
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Rick, by the way, happens to be FidoNet 1:125/41.
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I don't believe in a right to convenience. "Convenience" has become
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the unspoken universal goal for Middle America; we'll give up anything
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for it, even basic rights, let any power monger who comes along make
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any decision for us as long as it's convenient in the short term.
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Sorry, not from me.
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Enough said on this subject. Which brings me to what was originally my
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FIRST item:
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BACK TO FIDONEWS:
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FidoNews 8-24 Page 3 17 Jun 1991
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I request that authors try to limit themselves to issues related to
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communications. FidoNet is a communications medium, with which we can
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discuss anything that gives us pleasure or fills a need. FidoNews is
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sort of a meta-FidoNet, a thing about a thing. It should relate to the
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FidoNet as a whole, which of course means it will contain things from
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the FidoNet's members, which of course may be on any subject.
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FidoNews is of limited size and scope. Things within it should somehow
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relate to communications, the closer to the workings of FidoNet the
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better, but obviously anything related to computer networking, legal
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and ethical issues, technologies, etc are especially welcome.
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To reiterate, the written policy has not changed; FidoNews will
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continue to run most everything received. However I request that you
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try to keep to issues related to *communicating* electronically.
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FidoNews will change. It will take time. Have patience. Are you
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beginning to see the pattern yet? I will gladly spell out my intent
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and goals and methods in as much detail as I have them -- but for now
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I'll just let you think this over.
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Which brings me to the next item:
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MY TRAVEL PLANS:
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I will be out of town by the time you read this, and will not return
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until the last week of July. Yup, about 6 weeks (possibly less).
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Camping in the deserts of New Mexico, somewhat aimlessly, though I'll
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visit friends in Albuquerque and Santa Fe. Driving my propane-powered
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white 1963 Rambler Classic 550 Cross Country Station Wagon [whew],
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probably the only one about, with Fornicalia license plates that say
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"FIDONET". Say hi if you see me, and be warned if you shoot at me I
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may shoot back (I shoot 3-gun combat competition regularly so watch
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out).
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I've been planning this trip since last year. The editorship came up
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at the last minute, so this conflict couldn't be helped. Tim Pozar
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will be taking over in the mean time. He may be less willing to put up
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with flaming so be warned :-)
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Probably he will place tempests in teapots on the back burner until I
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return. I'll probably call in to see how things are going (I think I
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have production automated) and possibly editorialize from afar, as
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I'll be taking my Tandy 200 with me. (I wrote a terminal program with
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CRC XMODEM in 8085 assembly language; about 200 more instructions and
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I'll have an FSC-0001 packeter for it. Probably will be the smallest
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FidoNet interface (1800 bytes) around!) But I'm off subject here.
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PROGRAM VERSION LIST:
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A list of FidoNet utility versions appears in the back of every
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FidoNews. It has become an important and popular feature of FidoNews.
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(I think Vince Perriello (the previous editor) came up with it.)
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To make a long story short -- the utility-version-list has become a
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project unto itself. Editing FidoNews is enough work by itself. It
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needs to be done by someone else, and shipped here for inclusion in
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FidoNews. FidoNews will run the most recently-received version; when
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changes are made, I'll replace the old file with the new.
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I will warn you now, it's a responsibility, and needs to be taken
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seriously. Whoever does it will receive a dozen or more messages a
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week, and you will need to edit the FIDONEWS.VER file accordingly (and
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request additional information where required, etc) and mail a copy
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here for inclusion.
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It's complicated by the fact that I'll be out of town. Think about it
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however in the mean time.
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NEW SECTIONS IN FIDONEWS:
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Date: Sun, 09 Jun 91 18:23:38 pdt
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From: Bob.Davis@f114.n106.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bob Davis)
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Subject: Fidonews
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To: kumr!pozar
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Dean Lachan told me you are involved in reworking the
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layout of Fidonews. We've been having a lively discussion
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in ZEC conference on a number of topics, among which is the
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viability of Fidonews as a communications medium of official
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news in Fidonet.
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Fidonews has historically been filled with a wide range
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of diatribe that causes a lot of people to skip it. Some
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have said that you can look in the table of contents and
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figure out what's important. I disagree. Look at the TOC for
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Fidonews.817. Its not obvious that Tony published the Backbone
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Procedures in there.
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May I suggest that future Fidonews incorporate a section or
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chapter devoted strictly to fidonet business commmunication? It
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would be clearly labeled as FIDONET BUSINESS or something
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similar and not include any political comment or rebuttal.
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Bob
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FidoNews 8-24 Page 5 17 Jun 1991
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You've got it -- a new section in FidoNews called "FidoNet News".
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"FidoNet News" contains only items pertaining to technical and policy
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issues of operating FidoNet -- technical standards, policy changes,
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vote results, that sort of thing. This section will appear even when
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empty -- to allow scanning the Table of Contents for net-related news
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and facts.
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UNFINISHED PROJECTS:
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There are a number of things I want to start or change in FidoNews.
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Since I won't get to do them until I return, I'll list them here so
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you can think about them ahead of time.
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ABSTRACTS: Called "reviews" in magazines, but they are really
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"abstracts", brief descriptive mentions of other publications,
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electronic and otherwise, of potential interest to FidoNews readers --
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EFF's Effector, BOARDWATCH Magazine, Computer Underground Digest, and
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such like. What they cover, how to get, publication schedule, etc,
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rather than pass judgment good vs. bad (you're all grown up kids and
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can make your own decisions on that).
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FIDOCON: FidoCon '91 is about to happen -- I will be there, but I'm
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only one person, so -- we need reporters!!! Don't try to cover it all,
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just pick one thing and write even just one or two paragraphs. You'd
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be surprised how interesting and effective VERY SHORT reports are! It
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would be great to have a few dozen 2 - 3 paragraph reports on things
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happening at FidoCon, rather than a few long overviews. Don't worry
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about duplication; two people covering the same event can be
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interesting. Don't worry about your writing, I'm not your grade school
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english teacher -- it's content that counts!
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Bye! Have a good trip! (hey, that's your line...)
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FidoNetNews -- a weekly section devoted to technical and factual
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issues within the FidoNet -- FidoNet Technical Standards Committee
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reports, *C reports, information on FidoNet standards documents
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/* Probably a lot of you have never seen it -- the junk in the
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nodelist meant for us huminz to read. Here an excerpt from
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NODELIST.158. Somebody bug 'em and get the /0's to send me copies of
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this sort of junk -- PROPERLY FORMATTED AS AN ARTICLE (see
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ARTSPEC.DOC) -- for inclusion. (Unlike this one, which rquried a lot
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of editing on my part.) It's your network ... --tomj */
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;A FidoNet Nodelist for Friday, June 7, 1991 -- Day number 158 : 27592
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;A
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;A The FidoNet(r) NodeList, a listing of the systems within FidoNet.
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;A
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; /* Boring copyright clipped. */
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;S NOTICE -- NOTICE -- NOTICE -- NOTICE -- NOTICE -- NOTICE
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;S --------------------------------------------
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;S
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;S | Vote Result: Proposed New Policy
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;S | --------------------------------
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;S |
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;S | Matt Whelan
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;S | International Coordinator
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;S |
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;S | Voting has closed on the proposed new FidoNet<tm> policy. The
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;S | "WorldPol" proposal was ignored by a majority of eligible voters
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;S | (non-votes outnumbered votes by 229 to 195), and rejected by a
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;S | majority of the remainder.
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;S |
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;S | To be accepted as FidoNet policy, the proposal needed a 'Yes'
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;S | from at least half of the votes cast. It received slightly less
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;S | than 40 percent. 'No' votes accounted for nearly 50 percent, and
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;S | the remainder were 'Abstain' votes -- effectively a vote against
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;S | any change.
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;S |
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;S | Three FidoNet zones voted against the proposal, two voted for it,
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;S | and one failed to vote.
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;S |
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;S | Final vote tally:
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;S |
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;S | Zone YES NO ABSTAIN
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;S | 0 -- 1 -- (IC, in accordance with world totals)
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;S | 1 17 65 --
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;S | 2 46 12 23
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;S | 3 3 14 --
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;S | 4 11 -- --
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;S | 5 -- 3 --
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;S | 6 -- -- --
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;S | Total 77 95 23
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;S | %Vote 39.5 48.7 11.8
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;S | -------------------------------------------------------------
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;S |
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;S | Date: Fri May 31 1991 19:21:03
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;S | From: Harry Lee
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;S | To: All
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;S | Subj: Here's The Big Secret
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;S | The following is the current state of the voting for Z1C:
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;S |
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;S | Rgn Pwd
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;S | 10 Shark
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;S | 11 Marduk
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;S | 12 EastCan
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;S | 13 Spyders
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;S | 14 Compendium
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;S | 15 WildWest
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;S | 16 AnotherTerm
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;S | 17 Eileen
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;S | 18 NoWay
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;S | 19 LakeParty!
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;S |
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;S | George Peace has been unanimously elected Zone Coordinator.
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;S |
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;S | Congratulations to George, and thanks to Jesse and John for
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caring
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;S | enough to run.
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;S |
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;S --------------------------------------------
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;S
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;S You can request from 1:1/0 the most recent nodelist/nodediff by
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using the
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;S "magic name" of NODELIST or NODEDIFF.
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;S Please request from your local network or region coordinator if
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possible.
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;S
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;S Please check the END of the nodelist for additional technical
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information.
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;S
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;S
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; /* One bazillion lines of nodes clipped out here. */
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;S
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FidoNews 8-24 Page 8 17 Jun 1991
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;S
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;S
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;S The following flags define special operating conditions:
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;S
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;S Flag Meaning
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;S
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;S CM Node accepts mail 24 hours a day
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;S MO Node does not accept human callers
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;S
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;S
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;S The following flags define modem protocols supported:
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;S
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;S Flag Meaning
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;S
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;S V21 CCITT V21 300 bps full duplex
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;S V22 CCITT V22 1200 bps full duplex
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;S V29 CCITT V29 9600 bps half duplex
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;S V32 CCITT V32 9600 bps full duplex
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;S V32b CCITT V32bis 14400 bps full duplex
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;S V33 CCITT V33
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;S V34 CCITT V34
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;S V42 CCITT V42
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;S V42b CCITT V42bis
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;S H96 Hayes V9600
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;S HST USR Courier HST
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;S MAX Microcom AX/96xx series
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;S PEP Packet Ensemble Protocol
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;S
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;S NOTE: Many V22 modems also support Bell 212A.
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;S
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;S If no modem flag is given, Bell 212A is assumed for 1200 bps
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;S systems, CCITT V22bis is assumed for 2400 bps systems.
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;S
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;S
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;S The following flags define type of error correction available. A
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;S separate error correction flag should not be used when the error
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;S correction type can be determined by the modem flag. For instance,
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;S a modem flag of HST implies MNP.
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;S
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;S Flag Meaning
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;S
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;S MNP Microcom Networking Protocol error correction
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;S V42 LAP-M error correction w/fallback to MNP
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;S
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;S
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;S The following flags define the type(s) of compression of mail
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;S packets supported.
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;S
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;S Flag Meaning
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;S
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;S MN No compression supported
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;S NOTE: The only compression method standard in
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;S FidoNet is archiving, using the standard SEA ARC
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;S format, with archive names defined by the
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;S specification for ARCMail 0.6. The absence of the
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;S MN flag indicates that ARCMail 0.6 compression is
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FidoNews 8-24 Page 9 17 Jun 1991
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;S supported by this node.
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;S
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;S
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;S The following flags indicate the types of file/update requests
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;S supported.
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;S
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;S |----------------------------------------------------------|
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;S | | Bark | WaZOO |
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;S | |-------------------------|-------------------------|
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;S | | File | Update | File | Update |
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;S | Flag | Requests | Requests | Requests | Requests |
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;S |------|------------|------------|------------|------------|
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;S | XA | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes |
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;S | XB | Yes | Yes | Yes | No |
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;S | XC | Yes | No | Yes | Yes |
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;S | XP | Yes | Yes | No | No |
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;S | XR | Yes | No | Yes | No |
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;S | XW | No | No | Yes | No |
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;S | XX | No | No | Yes | Yes |
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;S |----------------------------------------------------------|
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;S
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;S
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;S The following software is qualified to use the
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;S appropriate file request flag:
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;S
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;S |---------------------------------------|
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;S | File Req Flag Software Package |
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;S |---------------------------------------|
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;S | XA Frontdoor <1.99b |
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;S | Dutchie 2.90c |
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;S | Binkleyterm >2.1 |
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;S | D'Bridge <1.3 |
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;S | TIMS |
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;S |---------------------------------------|
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;S | XB Binkleyterm 2.0 |
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;S | Dutchie 2.90b |
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;S |---------------------------------------|
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;S | XC Opus 1.1 |
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;S |---------------------------------------|
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;S | XP Seadog |
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;S |---------------------------------------|
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;S | XR Opus 1.03 |
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;S |---------------------------------------|
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;S | XW Fido >12M |
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;S | Tabby |
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;S |---------------------------------------|
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;S | XX D'Bridge 1.30 |
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;S | Frontdoor 1.99b |
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;S |---------------------------------------|
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;S | |
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;S | None QMM |
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;S |---------------------------------------|
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;S
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;S
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;S
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;S The following flag defines gateways to other domains (networks).
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FidoNews 8-24 Page 10 17 Jun 1991
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;S
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;S Flag Meaning
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;S
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;S Gx..x Gateway to domain 'x..x', where 'x..x` is a string
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;S of alphanumeric characters. Valid values for 'x..x'
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;S are assigned by the FidoNet International
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;S Coordinator. This flag is not authorized for use by
|
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;S any node unless specifically authorized by the IC or
|
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;S FidoNet Inter-Network Coordinator. Registered
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;S domain gateways include:
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;S uucp to be used only by nodes in a list of
|
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;S authorized fidonet.org sites available at
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;S 1:1/31.
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;S
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;S
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;S The following flags define the dedicated mail periods supported.
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;S They have the form "#nn" or !nn where nn is the UTC hour the mail
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|||
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;S period begins, # indicates Bell 212A compatibility, and !
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|||
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;S indicates incompatibility with Bell 212A.
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;S
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;S Flag Meaning
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|||
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;S
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;S #01 Zone 5 mail hour (01:00 - 02:00 UTC)
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;S #02 Zone 2 mail hour (02:30 - 03:30 UTC)
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|||
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;S #08 Zone 4 mail hour (08:00 - 09:00 UTC)
|
|||
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;S #09 Zone 1 mail hour (09:00 - 10:00 UTC)
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;S #18 Zone 3 mail hour (18:00 - 19:00 UTC)
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;S #20 Zone 6 mail hour (20:00 - 21:00 UTC)
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;S
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;S NOTE: When applicable, the mail period flags may
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;S be strung together with no intervening commas, eg.
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;S "#02#09". Only mail hours other than that standard
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;S within a node's zone should be given. Since
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;S observance of mail hour within one's zone is
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;S mandatory, it should not be indicated.
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;S
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;S
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;S The following flag defines user-specific values. If present, this
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|||
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;S flag MUST be the last flag present in a nodelist entry.
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;S
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;S Flag Meaning
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;S
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;S Ux..x A user-specified string, which may contain any
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;S alphanumeric character except blanks. This string
|
|||
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;S may contain one to thirty-two characters of
|
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;S information that may be used to add user-defined
|
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;S data to a specific nodelist entry. The character "U"
|
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;S should NOT be repeated, eg, "UXXX,YYY" not "UXXX,UYYY".
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;S
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;S This flag is NOT to be used for advertisements, or
|
|||
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;S non-essential information. If you have questions
|
|||
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;S concerning the use of this flag, please contact your
|
|||
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;S Regional Coordinator, or request the file USERFLAG.
|
|||
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FidoNews 8-24 Page 11 17 Jun 1991
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FidoNews 8-24 Page 12 17 Jun 1991
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======================================================================
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ARTICLES
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======================================================================
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By : Yoshi Mikami
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|||
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The 2nd Asian BBS Sysops' Conference in Taipei, 1991
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/* AARGH!! This article had no title, and was filled with tab
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characters! Soon I'll get tired of manually editing and will
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just ignore them. Please make sure your articles conform
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to ARTSPEC.DOC! -- tomj */
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This is the official report by the Organizing Committee of the 2nd Asian
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BBS Sysops' Conference held in Taipei, Taiwan, in June, 1991.
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The 2nd Asian BBS Sysops' Conference in Taipei, 1991
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----------------------------------------------------
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Date: June 12, 1991
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By: Yoshi Mikami, representing the Organizing
|
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Committee, Taipei, c/o FidoNet 6:720/13
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The 2nd Asian BBS Sysops' Conference was held on Saturday, June 8, 1991,
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|||
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in Taipei, Taiwan, ROC, at the Taipei Office of Tsing Hua University.
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|||
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Sixty-six people registered themselves as participants of the
|
|||
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conference: 50 from Taiwan, 9 from Japan, 6 from Korea and one from
|
|||
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Hongkong. Several jounalists were covering the conference, as they were
|
|||
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expected to write about this conference in the computer and BBS
|
|||
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magazines in Japan, Korea and Taiwan, just like last year. These and
|
|||
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other unregistered participants made the total number of attendees close
|
|||
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to 90.
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|||
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|||
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Honlin Lue of the Organizing Committee kicked off the meeting at 1:45 PM
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|||
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with the explanation in Chinese (*) of the objective of the conference:
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|||
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free exchange of the information and experience of using computers to
|
|||
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communicate with the people of the world. Honlin, Jimmy Tsai and Yoshi
|
|||
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Mikami were the moderators of this year's conference. The abstracts of
|
|||
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all speakers were available in both hard copy and soft copy formats.
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|||
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This year's organizing committee consisted of Mathew Hsia, Bandit Ho and
|
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Tad Sekineh as well as the people mentioned in this paragraph.
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|||
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Toshiyuki Omi, Soon Pack Park and Jim Lin were the Country Coordinators
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|||
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for Japan, Korea and Taiwan, respectively.
|
|||
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(*) Jimmy had set up two mini-FM transmitters to provide simultaneous
|
|||
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Chinese/English and Japanese/English translations for the audience to
|
|||
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hear via their portable FM radios. The translation team, headed by Tad
|
|||
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Sekineh, consisted of Alexandre Chang, Franke Ojeda and Tad himself.
|
|||
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Our conference policy was to let the speakers use the language that they
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|||
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feel comfortable with.
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|||
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Shuichi Fujita first spoke of the BBS Scene in Japan. He covered the
|
|||
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broad areas of both amateur BBSes and commercial networks (NIFTY-Serve,
|
|||
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PC-VAN, etc.), the statistical data by region of the amateur BBSes, the
|
|||
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most frequently used BBS host programs, and his experience of
|
|||
|
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participating in bringing up the International Fido Network in Japan
|
|||
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last year. Joji Sawai added his comments about the PC Tokyo (PCT) User
|
|||
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FidoNews 8-24 Page 13 17 Jun 1991
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|
|||
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|||
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Group activities and distributed the PCT Newslatters.
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|||
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Sang Kil Lee of Korea then described the Korean BBS Scene. Citing a
|
|||
|
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recent Sysops' meeting sponsored by POS-Serve (starting its service
|
|||
|
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later this summer under license from NIFTY-Serve) in Seoul, he mentioned
|
|||
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that they were excited over a possibility of coordinating a future Asian
|
|||
|
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BBS Sysops' conference in Korea. His speech and abstract gave the
|
|||
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audience a detailed look at the use of computers by the Korean people.
|
|||
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|
|||
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Ray Tracy of Taiwan as a third speaker made a powerful speech about the
|
|||
|
|
Taiwan BBS Scene in Chinese. He introduced the wide use of FidoNet
|
|||
|
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here, the multiplicity of various echo boards and TTN-Serve, Taiwan's
|
|||
|
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first commercial system. Tracy spoke of Taiwan's BITNET, UUCP
|
|||
|
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connection and radio packet network also. It was a good, comprehensive
|
|||
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analysis of the Taiwan network status.
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One-hour intermission from 3:00 PM was meant for the participants to
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|
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freely meet with each other. Books and magazines on BBSing from Taiwan
|
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|
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and Japan were displayed on the side tables inside the conference hall.
|
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|
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It was also a "Sing Along" time for those who cared to participate. A
|
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children's song, originally from Germany ("Hanschen klein, Hanschen
|
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|
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klein, ..."), was sung in Japanese ("Butterfly, butterfly, stop by the
|
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rape flowers! ..."), in Chinese ("Buzzy bee, buzzy bee, ...") and in
|
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Korean (it sounded more like a cicada than a bufferfly or buzzy bee).
|
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China's Tang Dynasty 5- and 7-character line poems ("Spring slumber
|
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cannot be awaken by the dawn" and "The moon has fallen, the crows have
|
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become inactive and the sky is full of frost") were also recited and
|
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sung by the volunteers.
|
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Those who had brought notebook PCs with them demonstrated the Chinese,
|
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|
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Japanese and Korean systems that were placed in one computer.
|
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|
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Paticipants were surprised to get donations: "2nd Asian BBS Sysops'
|
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|
|
Conference" yellow vests by Actyiu Yiu, "Chinese poem reciting" cassette
|
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|
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tapes by Claude Shen, and "I Love Taipei" bumper stickers from IBM
|
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|
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Taiwan.
|
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|
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|
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The second half of the BBS conference started at 4:00 PM. From the
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other Asian countries and regions, Daniel Mok of Hongkong and Charlie
|
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McDermott of Okinawa spoke of their experiences in their respective
|
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areas. Hongkong and Okinawa are Taiwan's dearest neighbors, important
|
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for international communi- cation links.
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|
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Julie Chu of Taiwan was the only female speaker of the day. Julie
|
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talked enthusiastically about her experience of running a Fido BBS in
|
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|
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Taipei since last year. She expects more female users and sysops to
|
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|
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join the BBSing world in the future. There were about ten female
|
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|
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participants in the conference.
|
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|
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|
|
There apparently was ample interest among the Korean commercial BBS
|
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|
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operators to participate in this conference. Dong Soo Lee of the Korea
|
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|
|
Economic Daily's KETEL and Byung Gyu Chung of DACOM's PC-Serve gave a
|
|||
|
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15-minute talk each about their services. There were a great deal of
|
|||
|
|
technical questions asked of the Korean personal computers and answered.
|
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|
|
Completion (Wansung) vs. combination (Johab) methods of representing
|
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|
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Korean Hangeul characters, 2-bul vs. 3-bul types of keyboards, Iyagi
|
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|
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and Nambuktongil ("Unity of South and North") terminal emulator
|
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|
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FidoNews 8-24 Page 14 17 Jun 1991
|
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|
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|
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|
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programs, etc., were all discussed.
|
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|
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|
|
Toshiyuki Omi made closing remarks of the conference in Japanese,
|
|||
|
|
thanking the participants and the Organizing Committee members. Our
|
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|
|
Asian countries using the double-byte character sets are entering an
|
|||
|
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interesting period of time, with the availability of ETen in Taiwan,
|
|||
|
|
DOS/V in Japan and Saedong Gilshi in Korea. We are now more interested
|
|||
|
|
in each other's activities. A suggestion of having the next meeting in
|
|||
|
|
Korea is a good sign of having more people interested in what we know we
|
|||
|
|
do best: helping others to communicate with the people of the world.
|
|||
|
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|
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|
|
After the formal part of the conference was over, a free discussion was
|
|||
|
|
held regarding the next conference. Several opinions were expressed
|
|||
|
|
openly, including the desires to have the next meeting in Korea, to keep
|
|||
|
|
the June conference in Taipei (because of the COMPUTEX Taipei computer
|
|||
|
|
show) and to hold a fall meeting elsewhere, etc. A hesitency was
|
|||
|
|
noticed among the Korean participants because they were not sure at this
|
|||
|
|
time if a good organizing committee of several interested people can be
|
|||
|
|
set up in Seoul, while the names of the BBS conference participants from
|
|||
|
|
Korea entirely changed from last year to this year. The Japanese
|
|||
|
|
participants seemed to be more interested in travelling to other
|
|||
|
|
countries than holding the BBS conference in Japan.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
For those who had paid for dinner, there were all kinds of opinion and
|
|||
|
|
business card exchanges, and private meetings during the 6:00-8:00 PM
|
|||
|
|
dinner party time. The late afternoon squall, typical of the Taipei
|
|||
|
|
weather, had almost stopped for all participants to take taxis or busses
|
|||
|
|
to go back to their hotels or homes, in the warm summer evening. It was
|
|||
|
|
again a good BBS conference in Taipei for the Asian sysops, full of fun.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
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|
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|
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|
|
Sir Dep aka Jim Deputy
|
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|
|
69:1300/6969
|
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|
|
1:103/158
|
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|
|||
|
|
By Vince...and Thanks
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
Thanks for the memories Vince...I think you've done a excellent
|
|||
|
|
job riding herd on FIDONEWS.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
In thinking back over the time you discussed, we've had 3 ZC's,
|
|||
|
|
we are working on our 3rd ZEC, P4 has been implemented, I tempo
|
|||
|
|
rarily removed SYSOP from the domain of FidoNet for FidoNet's *C
|
|||
|
|
conference rules violation, until an equitable agreement could be
|
|||
|
|
worked out.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I've taken a group of 5 adult oriented local echoes, and parlayed
|
|||
|
|
them into a fully blown private network with links listed in 8
|
|||
|
|
countries, and well over 300 discreet nodes. Sometimes I wonder
|
|||
|
|
how it keeps going.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
FidoNews 8-24 Page 15 17 Jun 1991
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
We've seen the demise of IFNA, something I was not very happy
|
|||
|
|
over. Mostly because of the apathy involved in its demise. IFNA
|
|||
|
|
had some really good things it could have done for FidoNet and
|
|||
|
|
Networking in general had it been allowed to do them.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
We've seen Echopol 1 abandoned, but still technically enforced,
|
|||
|
|
and then finally thrust upon us by command. We've seen Gateway
|
|||
|
|
Poll put in place by dictatorial edict. And in the same FidoNews
|
|||
|
|
it was violated by the same person who is today our ZEC.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
We've seen elections that would make the Democrats and Republi
|
|||
|
|
cans green with envy! Especially because they didn't think anyone
|
|||
|
|
could get any dirtier at it that they could.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I hadn't realized that there was even a draft of WorldPol ready,
|
|||
|
|
let alone an election was being held on it. I've tried to get out
|
|||
|
|
of main-stream FidoNet Politics because of health and finances.
|
|||
|
|
But, even trying to stay out, it seems that it's impossible. For
|
|||
|
|
example I've just picked up FidoNews 821. Today is June 10.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I like alot of what I seen in WorldPol. I have a couple of points
|
|||
|
|
of contention with it. One is what about a part of policy for
|
|||
|
|
"minor" sysops? I'm not advocating not allowing them in, but I am
|
|||
|
|
definitely advocating some sort of parental responsibility
|
|||
|
|
clause, and possibly agreement. I've seen several networks nearly
|
|||
|
|
taken apart by kids with no parental supervision.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Speaking of kids, P4 pushed for the removal of the PVT systems,
|
|||
|
|
and for them to either go to points, or become fully listed
|
|||
|
|
nodes. I see that now the BACKBONE is getting ready to declare
|
|||
|
|
the Off-Line readers that were developed to help with this are
|
|||
|
|
about to become illegal. Real progress.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
More on kids, last month I got a message from my 1:103 NEC stat-
|
|||
|
|
ing that he knew I was linking echoes to 1:202, and that I should
|
|||
|
|
not use my Zone 69 connections to 'illegally' send them fidonet
|
|||
|
|
echoes, and by-pass their Echomail Cost Recovery Scheme. After
|
|||
|
|
advising him that the business of Adult Links was not the busi
|
|||
|
|
ness of the Net 103 NEC, I demanded he show proof of his accusa
|
|||
|
|
tions, or retract his statement and apologize. To date he has
|
|||
|
|
done neither. At the time, I was linking Net 103 to SDS, and also
|
|||
|
|
linking the NEC to several echoes. I've since talked to several
|
|||
|
|
Net 202 sysops and they would also like to know more about the
|
|||
|
|
Echomail Recovery Plan that they are supposed to be under.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
The other part is the discrimination clause. I like alot of what
|
|||
|
|
I see there. P4 gives the local networks some rights to a local
|
|||
|
|
policy. This allows for variations as to how a system applies for
|
|||
|
|
a node number, it allows for probably 400 different variations on
|
|||
|
|
how various networks allow "minors" into them, and it allows for
|
|||
|
|
variations to keep people out of local Networks.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
FidoNews 8-24 Page 16 17 Jun 1991
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
For example, the use of Handles/Alias'. There is nothing in P4
|
|||
|
|
the denies a person the right to use a handle and or alias. Last
|
|||
|
|
summer, I got a call from our local NEC who had convinced the NC
|
|||
|
|
that it was improper for a person to use a handle, and they had
|
|||
|
|
removed a node from the nodelist based on the fact that one of
|
|||
|
|
the CO-SYSOP's regularly used a handle, and refused to use his
|
|||
|
|
real name, even though he is better known by his handle than by
|
|||
|
|
his name. The system was removed from the nodelist without notice
|
|||
|
|
to the SYSOP as to why or for what reason. I also discussed the
|
|||
|
|
probable results of a PC against both of them if the sysop were
|
|||
|
|
so inclined. The system magically reappeared in the nodelist.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I know they understand it. Shucks, I sent my NC a message on May
|
|||
|
|
13th asking for both my system name and the sysop name to be
|
|||
|
|
changed. I sent a follow-up message on May 28th, and I see my
|
|||
|
|
system name got changed in Nodelist.158. I've just sent my NC a
|
|||
|
|
note reminding him that he missed the sysop name change. It's
|
|||
|
|
becoming a problem, because most people now try and contact me as
|
|||
|
|
SIR DEP and not Jim Deputy.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
But, it's also been a nice time. TJ are you sure you're ready for
|
|||
|
|
this again?
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Who *are* these guys?
|
|||
|
|
Another Cautionary tale by
|
|||
|
|
Charles Herriot (1:163/110)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
(Special Note to Editor-Being:
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
This article has absolutely nothing to do with Crunch 'N Munch,
|
|||
|
|
God, or the ruinously high cost of Jolt. For those who
|
|||
|
|
wish to benefit from the full effect of this article;
|
|||
|
|
either play sappy violin music as you read about the
|
|||
|
|
pathetic demise of the COMMODORE echo; or else put Ina
|
|||
|
|
Gada Da Vida on autorepeat on your CD player. There is
|
|||
|
|
little in this article that would give a Technoid wet
|
|||
|
|
dreams. Roll da flick, Tom.)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Corresponding from a secure hiding place deep within the uncharted
|
|||
|
|
recesses of Policy3 and Policy4, "Doc Logger" lashes another missive
|
|||
|
|
into the jaws of the high speed paper tape punch and then throws
|
|||
|
|
untold thousands of toggle switches to get the Imsai 8080 to
|
|||
|
|
transmit to Visage's Church of The Dayglo Black Velvet Paintings.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Dear Reverend Visage,
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
FidoNews 8-24 Page 17 17 Jun 1991
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Your secretary is shrieking at me concerning the small
|
|||
|
|
problem with the Porsche we borrowed to deliver last night's
|
|||
|
|
echomail. How were we supposed to know that the drawbridge
|
|||
|
|
was up and that we would land six counties away in the
|
|||
|
|
middle of a sheep pasture? I hate to tell you this, but
|
|||
|
|
she's gonna be in a king hell rage when you show up again
|
|||
|
|
with lanolin on your breath.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I'm sure you can remember the movie "Butch Cassidy And The
|
|||
|
|
Sundance Kid". I have been reminded of that movie in the
|
|||
|
|
recent past concerning the sad plight of the Commode D'Or
|
|||
|
|
echo. As Butch & Sundance traversed sagebrush and mountains
|
|||
|
|
they were pursued relentlessly, and they kept asking each
|
|||
|
|
other: "Who *are* those guys?".
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
As you are well aware, we've made a few underestimations in
|
|||
|
|
our time, not the least of which was the time you bet almost
|
|||
|
|
our entire stuffed armadillo collection on the recent ZEC
|
|||
|
|
election, but I don't think we missed hearing the speeding
|
|||
|
|
train as badly as we did when the California Spam 'N Timmies
|
|||
|
|
invaded the Commode D'Or echo.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Okay, so maybe using an areatag name like COMMODORE in
|
|||
|
|
recognition of the fact that the afformentioned piece of
|
|||
|
|
hardware was adopted as our mascot and is also the boat
|
|||
|
|
anchor of serious sport fisherman everywhere. And maybe,
|
|||
|
|
just maybe, if we'd been firmer with the mongol hordes who
|
|||
|
|
descended on the echo and attempted to talk techie to us...
|
|||
|
|
perhaps we wouldn't be in serious echomail withdrawal at the
|
|||
|
|
moment.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Perhaps I wasn't paying as much attention to the messages as
|
|||
|
|
I should have... and this has almost nothing at all to do
|
|||
|
|
with the fact that I played AC/DC's "Thunderstruck" on the
|
|||
|
|
other serial channel as I patiently waited for the cassette
|
|||
|
|
deck to load the echomail into my trailing-edge technology
|
|||
|
|
BBS running on the Sinclair ZX81. I saw the first couple of
|
|||
|
|
messages and pondered to myself: "Who *are* these guys?" and
|
|||
|
|
left it at that.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
When was it that we started the Commode D'Or echo? It must
|
|||
|
|
have been at least four years ago and possibly longer
|
|||
|
|
because I recall you foolishly losing our entire dental
|
|||
|
|
floss ranch on a silly bet concerning the longevity of disco
|
|||
|
|
music. We started the echo as a local effort so that we
|
|||
|
|
could discuss the more serious issues facing computer users
|
|||
|
|
in the frozen tundra... the high cost of whale blubber to
|
|||
|
|
keep the hard drives lubricated was a frequent topic of
|
|||
|
|
debate. The echo gained a loyal following and by some act of
|
|||
|
|
NEC/REC magic it found it's way onto the International
|
|||
|
|
Backbone.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
FidoNews 8-24 Page 18 17 Jun 1991
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Nine months after the echo was placed on the backbone, the
|
|||
|
|
very first non-local message arrived. It was from some guy
|
|||
|
|
in New Jersey who quoted *everything* and appended very
|
|||
|
|
little of his own. Remember how riled he got when it was
|
|||
|
|
suggested that he book into the Betty Ford Clinic For The
|
|||
|
|
Criminally Uninspired to cure his rampant Quotaholism? In no
|
|||
|
|
time, he had marshalled more of his buddies to join the echo
|
|||
|
|
and, again, I asked myself: "Who *are* these guys?"
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
As politely as we could, we pointed the New Jersoids to the
|
|||
|
|
CBM echo where *serious* Commodore techies could do whatever
|
|||
|
|
it is that consenting Commodore users do... and I really
|
|||
|
|
don't wanna know. We could tell they were a repressed and
|
|||
|
|
unhappy bunch when they chose to disbelieve us when we
|
|||
|
|
mentioned that most of our echomail traffic was carried by
|
|||
|
|
dog-teams across the frozen ice-flows.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
The Commode D'Or echo took on a special meaning when one of
|
|||
|
|
our parka pals actually operated a Fidonet BBS (163/227) on
|
|||
|
|
his C128, using software written by himself in Basic. (Basic
|
|||
|
|
is a programming language preferred by C programmers who
|
|||
|
|
have learned how to count, and thus don't get confused by
|
|||
|
|
line numbers...ahem.) Even Nanook's pet seal clapped her
|
|||
|
|
flippers in admiration that a C128 could be browbeaten into
|
|||
|
|
Fidonet mailer compliancy.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Alas (please note: not "a lass"), the universe never seems
|
|||
|
|
to unfold as it should and the echo was soon invaded by the
|
|||
|
|
California Spam 'N Timmies. These new participants in the
|
|||
|
|
echo, if they had any reading comprehension at all, quickly
|
|||
|
|
announced that it was a "Commodore" echo.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
"No. No." we said "Commode D'Or... Commode D'Or... as in
|
|||
|
|
Golden Toilet." but they wouldn't listen. The reared up on
|
|||
|
|
thier hindpaws and *demanded* that we cease talking about
|
|||
|
|
'frivolous' things immediately, or else. Now up here in the
|
|||
|
|
frozen north we've always been a friendly bunch and willing
|
|||
|
|
to accomodate almost anyone. (Tell Nanook that I'll return
|
|||
|
|
his wife later this week.) We figured that the California
|
|||
|
|
Spam 'N Timmies bunch could co-exist in the echo with us.
|
|||
|
|
We'd ignore their techie-talk, and they could ignore our
|
|||
|
|
exchanges about edible underwear, Caribou migrations, and
|
|||
|
|
the occasional C128 Fidonet mailer test message.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
One fellow, who was linked into the net via one of the
|
|||
|
|
gateways, announced that he would either change the echo, or
|
|||
|
|
destroy it. As usual, we didn't take him all that seriously
|
|||
|
|
since he kept signing his name by appending "President,
|
|||
|
|
Commodore User's Club". I mean really, a Commodore User's
|
|||
|
|
Club... it is to snicker. What we missed in our good hearted
|
|||
|
|
attempts to humour these fire-breathing intruders, was that
|
|||
|
|
Commodore users are probably the larval stage of Amiga
|
|||
|
|
users. You *know* how touchy the Amagatroids are about their
|
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toy computers.
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FidoNews 8-24 Page 19 17 Jun 1991
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I guess it must have been Nanook who suggested that they
|
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either needed to have more fibre in their diet, or at least
|
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|
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to get out and play on the freeway more often. Remember how
|
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|
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excitable everyone got that time you brought your pet skunk
|
|||
|
|
to the wedding reception? Well, this situation wasn't much
|
|||
|
|
different. The California Spam 'N Timmies went
|
|||
|
|
hypercritical. We're talkin' major modem meltdown here. One
|
|||
|
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of them, in an effort to show us what *real* Commodore
|
|||
|
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messages looked like, cross-posted about 50 messages from
|
|||
|
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the CBM echo and then proceeded to use some words that had
|
|||
|
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something to do with an act of self-procreation. Another one
|
|||
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of them, a fellow who identified himself as the NC of a
|
|||
|
|
Fidonet BBS, keep bleating for a ruling from the moderator.
|
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|
|||
|
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I spoke to the moderator and his response was as laid back
|
|||
|
|
as could be expected from someone whose front lawn is
|
|||
|
|
covered with snow for 11 1/2 months of the year. "No
|
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problem" he said, "The dweebs who are whining all live in
|
|||
|
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California. We'll just be patient and let continental drift
|
|||
|
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take care of them." It seemed like a wise course of action,
|
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and hey, if an earthquake took them out earlier then that
|
|||
|
|
was all the better. In an effort to make them feel welcome I
|
|||
|
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participated in their new game of cross-posting messages.
|
|||
|
|
The one I chose happened to be about a yuppie-babe on a date
|
|||
|
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with some vegetables.... a completely on topic and
|
|||
|
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appropriate message for the Commode D'Or echo.
|
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|
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|
I have no idea why a paragraph such as:
|
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|
|||
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"She poured a small splash of Genadine into the juicer
|
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followed by an over-ample dash of white rum. The pineapples
|
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which had rested upon smooth linen napkins winked up at her.
|
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She grasped a cherry by it's stem and gently teased the seed
|
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from it's depths with her tongue. Using both hands, she
|
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plunged the cherry pitter deep into a second cherry and
|
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carefully allowed the juices to run across her wrist before
|
|||
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she raised her arm and sucked the delicate drops."
|
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|
|||
|
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... could cause these people to be driven to near-apoplexy.
|
|||
|
|
As they went variously insane, they also netmailed all parts
|
|||
|
|
of the known Fidonet admin structure with whimpers of
|
|||
|
|
outrage. I don't know about you Visage, but it strikes me
|
|||
|
|
that these people must have suffered horribly as children by
|
|||
|
|
being forced to remain at the supper table until they'd
|
|||
|
|
finished all their vegetables. Faster than you could say
|
|||
|
|
"There's a skunk in the fridge", incoming WhineMail(tm) from
|
|||
|
|
*serious* *C-beings was filling my netmail directory.
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
"Excuse me?" I rejoined, "You want to do what?" I asked
|
|||
|
|
incredulously. "You want all of us who have fun in the
|
|||
|
|
Commode D'Or echo to desist?" And just for old times sake, I
|
|||
|
|
asked myself: "Who *are* these guys?" I didn't worry all
|
|||
|
|
that much because as far as I knew at the time, no *EC in
|
|||
|
|
his right mind would blunder into an echo and try to enforce
|
|||
|
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content rules, particularly since we were breaking no laws.
|
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|
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FidoNews 8-24 Page 20 17 Jun 1991
|
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|
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|
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|
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But, and you'll be amazed by this, those *EC-beings have
|
|||
|
|
suddenly gotten religion in a major way. So much religion,
|
|||
|
|
in fact, that godlike powers have descended upon their able
|
|||
|
|
shoulders. Some of them, and this would have *really*
|
|||
|
|
impressed the crowds a coupla thousand years ago, some of
|
|||
|
|
them can actually walk and chew gum at the same time. I
|
|||
|
|
know, I know... we couldn't really expect any *ECs to read
|
|||
|
|
the echo which they were poised to incinerate... the
|
|||
|
|
comprehension levels alone would have precluded that, but
|
|||
|
|
surely one of them could have asked a few questions of us?
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
Without the courtesy of a message entered in the echo
|
|||
|
|
telling us, the echo was taken out behind the ZEC's computer
|
|||
|
|
and quietly garrotted. They didn't even return the corpse
|
|||
|
|
for a decent burial. I don't really fault the *EC-beings,
|
|||
|
|
they're as likely to join a lynch mob as any other mortal,
|
|||
|
|
but the people I just cannot understand, are the ones who
|
|||
|
|
rode into the echo with their Policy4 Six-guns blazing for
|
|||
|
|
no real purpose. So I guess, if I were to ask myself again,
|
|||
|
|
"Who *are* these guys?", I'd have to respond that they are
|
|||
|
|
humourlous savages... more inclined to destroy than to
|
|||
|
|
create. They're the pioneers of a new era and their
|
|||
|
|
Policy-legimitimized thuggery is making a real mess of
|
|||
|
|
FidoNet.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I must go, Visage. I was due at the studio an hour ago.
|
|||
|
|
"Dread Zeppelin" is doing a reggae version of "Baa Baa Black
|
|||
|
|
Sheep" and I've been hired to play the tuba solo.
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
Regards,
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
Doc Logger
|
|||
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|
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|
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|
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|
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|
|||
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|
|||
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|
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|
|||
|
|
----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
|||
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|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
Fredric L. Rice
|
|||
|
|
1:102.901.0
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
Just a quick note to suggest a bit of a standard when applying
|
|||
|
|
the Pretty Good Privacy program described in FidoNews 823. I've
|
|||
|
|
had many downloads from my system since it was mentioned and
|
|||
|
|
the general consensus after viewing the project was that a magic
|
|||
|
|
file name should be selected by which anyone may request of a
|
|||
|
|
system its SysOps Public Key.
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
FidoNews 8-24 Page 21 17 Jun 1991
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Typically, PGPKEY was suggested, with Public Key identification
|
|||
|
|
of the SysOps last name, a comma, a space, and then the first
|
|||
|
|
name. Of course, the identification is easilly viewed using the
|
|||
|
|
-v option of PGP so that's not an important item to standardize.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Fredric.
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
by Will Schlichtman (1:350/59)
|
|||
|
|
MsgMstr - A Window into FidoNet
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Microsoft Windows v3.0 seems to have taken the country by storm and
|
|||
|
|
has become quite a viable platform for BBS operation and routine
|
|||
|
|
message manipulation. A major problem though seems to be a lack of
|
|||
|
|
FidoNet specific programs that take full advantage of Windows. Most
|
|||
|
|
current programs and utilities that evolved for FidoNet were developed
|
|||
|
|
before Windows was ever considered a feasible system. Hopefully, this
|
|||
|
|
situation will turn around soon and major components for FidoNet will
|
|||
|
|
be released as the advantages of running in the Windows environment
|
|||
|
|
become more apparent.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
To help kick off this boon to the FidoNet way of operations, I have
|
|||
|
|
written a message editor that should intrigue anyone interested in
|
|||
|
|
switching to the GUI interface, and to some that have yet to even
|
|||
|
|
consider it.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Message Master (MsgMstr) is in its infancy at version 1.21 but
|
|||
|
|
contains a number of features normally found only in programs that
|
|||
|
|
have been around for a number of years. It exhibits a seasoned feel
|
|||
|
|
in that it utilizes not only the standard Windows-user interface
|
|||
|
|
techniques, but incorporates keystrokes that have become the standard
|
|||
|
|
among most *.MSG editors such as OpMed and MsgEd -- two respected DOS-
|
|||
|
|
based message editors of long standing. If you have become dependent
|
|||
|
|
upon the left/right arrow combination for message reading, then you
|
|||
|
|
are looking in the right direction when considering switching to
|
|||
|
|
MsgMstr.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Some of MsgMstr's most prominent features include:
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
- Very simple setup operation. Virtually effortless for those
|
|||
|
|
running BinkleyTerm. Great for point-operation too.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
- Full zone/point addressing.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
- Complete configuration of defaults for echo/matrix/local message
|
|||
|
|
areas, path and file locations/names, Origin lines.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
- Instant mail scanning.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
FidoNews 8-24 Page 22 17 Jun 1991
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
- Group message deletion and a feature called the Copy Machine,
|
|||
|
|
which is a powerful utility for sending mass mail.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
- Easy message forward/move/copy/delete.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
- File merge with automatic text replacement.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
- Complete message editing including header info and flag settings.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
- Control of echo area high-water marks.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
- Easy and intelligent freqing/file attach/update request options.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
- Automatic special storage area to place items for archiving.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
- Quick-Access buttons for the most common operations, available at
|
|||
|
|
all times on screen. Does not interfere with message observation
|
|||
|
|
and manipulation.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
- Complete documentation.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
All of these features are provided in the standard, easy-to-use
|
|||
|
|
interface that Windows 3.0 is noted for. Utilizing menus, dialog-
|
|||
|
|
boxes, buttons, and an editor with scrollbars, MsgMstr makes for a
|
|||
|
|
pleasant environment to spend your time in. Messages may be created
|
|||
|
|
up to 32,000 characters in length and employ quoted lines, tear and
|
|||
|
|
origin lines, ANSI or ASCII characters; cut and paste using the
|
|||
|
|
clipboard, and a whole array of interesting and useful features not
|
|||
|
|
included here.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Message Master's future holds a bright light in features never before
|
|||
|
|
seen in message editors. Due to Window's flexibility, more can be
|
|||
|
|
accomplished and aid the user in message manipulation than could ever
|
|||
|
|
have been imagined in DOS-based programs. Plans are in place to add
|
|||
|
|
even more features that take advantage of this flexibility.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
MsgMstr is a formidable editor and very easy to use. It makes reading
|
|||
|
|
a 1000 messages a joy, not a task. In its current configuration, it
|
|||
|
|
has the features expected of any message editor for use in FidoNet. As
|
|||
|
|
I've demonsrated here, it holds much more. Just imagine what it will
|
|||
|
|
be once it has matured.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Anthony Grillo
|
|||
|
|
Fido 1:272/94
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
SIGN FRIENDS-NEW VERSION INFORMATION
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
FidoNews 8-24 Page 23 17 Jun 1991
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
The author of SIGN FRIENDS, Fran O'Gorman, has issued a new version
|
|||
|
|
with additional chapters and even a special version for theatrical
|
|||
|
|
use. Sign Friends is a Sign Language Tutorial with a dictionary of 512
|
|||
|
|
words, the alphabet, numbers and fingerspeller.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
The files are file requestable from 1:272/94 at US Robotics HST,
|
|||
|
|
V32bis, V42bis speeds at all times except Zone 1 Zone Mail Hour.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
FILES TO REQUEST:
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
SF40-HD.ZIP 204898 06-16-91 Full 4.0 Version of Sign Friends
|
|||
|
|
designed for hard disk.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
SF40-1.ZIP 104217 06-16-91 Part 1 of program for Floppy Systems
|
|||
|
|
SF40-2.ZIP 103384 06-16-91 Part 2 of program for Floppy Systems
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
SF4TH-E.ZIP 142880 06-04-91 Special Mini Version of Sign Friends
|
|||
|
|
for theatrical use.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
PROGRAM AUTHOR
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Just to clarify the situation. Fran O'Gorman is the author of
|
|||
|
|
Sign Friends. All program questions, suggestions, nice letters
|
|||
|
|
etc. should be addressed to Fran. Fran can be reached here by
|
|||
|
|
Netmail or on the SILENTTALK Echo. Anthony Grillo is the sysop
|
|||
|
|
of The Monroe Electronic Mall, one of the BBSs that carries the
|
|||
|
|
latest versions of SIGN FRIENDS. Any problems with downloading or file
|
|||
|
|
request should be addressed to Anthony.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Noel Bradford
|
|||
|
|
FidoNet 2:2/999
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
/* AARGH!!!! THIS article was submitted TWICE and was filled
|
|||
|
|
with ASCII HT characters -- 9 decimal!!!! Please, read ARTSPEC.DOC
|
|||
|
|
and follow it! -- tomj */
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
WORLDCON 1991 -- an Important Announcement
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
WorldCon '91, the European Fidonet Convention, has had to
|
|||
|
|
change the venue, due to circumstances out of the control of the
|
|||
|
|
organisers.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Fortunately, an alternative has been located after scouring the
|
|||
|
|
UK for a suitable location.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
FidoNews 8-24 Page 24 17 Jun 1991
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Xenon Management Ltd (XML), the organisers, are pleased to
|
|||
|
|
announce the new venue will be:-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Hatfield Polytechnic's Wall Hall Campus which is just outside
|
|||
|
|
Watford in Hertfordshire. As this is a campus the accommodation
|
|||
|
|
will be relatively basic (ie no TV or Phones in rooms or en-suite
|
|||
|
|
bathrooms) but cheap. Prices are from 25GBP per night (see below
|
|||
|
|
for details)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
The Current List of CONFIRMED VIP's includes:-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Andrew Milner Author of Remote Access
|
|||
|
|
Daniel Kalchev RC Bulgaria
|
|||
|
|
David Doyle RC Ireland
|
|||
|
|
Felix Kasza ZC2 and European end of TAP
|
|||
|
|
Jim Deputy IC ADult Links
|
|||
|
|
Joaquim Homrighausen Author of Frontdoor & Tosscan
|
|||
|
|
Nik Bombelli REC Switzerland
|
|||
|
|
Orlando Castillo REC Spain
|
|||
|
|
Peter Janssens SDS ZC2
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Subjects for discussion include:-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Apathy in Fidonet - Is it a serious threat and do we care?
|
|||
|
|
Echomail Policy - Do we need it?
|
|||
|
|
A Sysops responsiblity for the contents of their system
|
|||
|
|
SDS/ADS/SDN/WINNET/DVNET - What are they all?
|
|||
|
|
Echomail - Cost Sharing
|
|||
|
|
BBS Subscriptions - the way forward or a step back?
|
|||
|
|
Bulletin boards & the Disabled Community
|
|||
|
|
Mail Routing - How does it work?
|
|||
|
|
Requirements for joining fidonet - Do these need reviewing?
|
|||
|
|
Users - How do I Attract them?
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Other things that will be going on........
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
A Full Non-delegate program including a full day guided
|
|||
|
|
sightseeing tour of London.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
The Traditional Disk throwing competition.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
A Fund raising banquet - All proceeds to the TAP project.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Prize draws and Door Prizes
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
You can keep up with all the latest news by hooking into
|
|||
|
|
WORLDCON.91 echo.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
The booking form follows and can be requested as magic name
|
|||
|
|
WORLDCON from the following nodes:-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
FidoNews 8-24 Page 25 17 Jun 1991
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
2:25/102
|
|||
|
|
2:2/999
|
|||
|
|
2:512/1
|
|||
|
|
2:310/11
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
__
|
|||
|
|
/ \
|
|||
|
|
/|oo \
|
|||
|
|
- Worldcon '91 - (_| /_)
|
|||
|
|
- Including Eurocon V - _`@/_ \ _
|
|||
|
|
| | \ \\
|
|||
|
|
At Hatfield Polytechnic | (*) | \ ))
|
|||
|
|
Wall Hall Campus ______ |__U__| / \//
|
|||
|
|
Aldenham / FIDO \ _//|| _\ /
|
|||
|
|
Hertfordshire (________) (_/(_|(____/
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
(jm)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
**************************
|
|||
|
|
* CONFERENCE INFORMATION *
|
|||
|
|
**************************
|
|||
|
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Worldcon '91 is to be held at Hatfield Polytechnic's Wall Hall
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Campus on July 26/27/28 1991.
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For your convenience the organisers have managed to negotiate
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some very good packages that include accommodation, all meals, &
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Conference fees. There is also a very special deal available for
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those who would like to bring their partner, or for those who
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have to bring their spouse (See PLAN C for details).
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Hatfield Polytechnic is renowned as a centre of academic
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excellence. The main subjects being Engineering, Computer
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Science, Business Studies, Educational and Natural Sciences.
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The Wall Hall campus site is based round a magnificent Gothic
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Mansion set in splendid grounds that include an open air heated
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swimming pool, tennis courts, Football and hockey pitches. There
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is a large gymnasium, and extensive grounds for games and walks.
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The adjacent golf course may be used (at additional cost) by
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delegates.
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The All Inclusive Deal covers the following:-
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Conference Fee.
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Morning coffee and shortbread
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Buffet Lunches
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Afternoon Tea & Cakes
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2 x Dinner
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2 Nights Accommodation
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2 x English Breakfast.
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** Plan C includes the above plus room only accommodation for
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partner/spouse. There will also be further charge of 100.00 GBP
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to cover the cost of meals and the widow/widower program. **
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* NON-DELEGATES' PROGRAM *
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This program has been specially designed for the ladies. This
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program includes a full day guided tour on Saturday.
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The tour includes :-
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* A unique look around the Royal Albert Hall
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* A Tour of Westminster Abbey
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* See the Changing of the Guard
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* Three course lunch on the river Thames
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* Tour of the Tower of London
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* See the Crown Jewels
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* Visit to St Pauls Cathedral
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Also included in the program is a Reception Buffet, the Banquet,
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and a Traditional British Sunday Lunch.
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**********************
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* BOOKING CONDITIONS *
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You will notice that those who book early will benefit from our
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Early booking discounts.
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Please note -- the closing date for bookings is JULY 14th, 1991.
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Any bookings received after the closing date will be subject to a
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further 20% surcharge, payable at the time of booking.
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Please note when using the following tables of charges that the
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relevant date of the booking will be the actual date that the
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payment is made to the organisers' bank account, so please try to
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allow time for the funds to be cleared by the bank.
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* Cancellations Policy *
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Cancellations made prior to July 1st will receive a refund of 50%
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of the value of the booking. Cancellations made up to July 15th
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will receive a refund of 25% of the value of the booking;
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cancellations made thereafter will receive no refund whatsoever.
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CLOSING DATE FOR BOOKINGS IS July 14th!!!
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**************
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* How to pay *
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**************
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In order to process your booking correctly, we request that when
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make your booking, you indicate the mode of payment you will be
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using.
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* By Cheque (Euro-cheque or cheques drawn on a UK bank ONLY).
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Non European registrations please send a certified Bankers
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Cheque or Money Order .
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Please complete this form and send it with a cheque or money
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order for the total amount to:
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Worldcon '91
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C/O Xenon Management Ltd
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152 Lonsdale Drive,
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Enfield,
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Middlesex EN2 7NF
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Great Britain
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All Cheques and Money Orders should be made payable to
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XENON MANAGEMENT LTD.
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ALL FUNDS MUST BE IN POUNDS STERLING!
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* Bank Transfers *
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Money Must be transferred to account number 0209766
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of XENON MANAGEMENT LTD
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and MUST include the reference "WORLDCON 91"
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At Lloyds Bank PLC
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1 Silver Street
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Enfield
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Middlesex
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EN1 3EE
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ENGLAND
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UK SORTING CODE 30-93-07
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PLEASE NOTE: You are responsible for any bank charges that may be
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incurred; please inform your bankers of this fact.
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You may register by Netmailing this completed form to 2:2/999 as well,
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which is the official Worldcon '91 for processing. Rename it to
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ZNNNXXXX.PPP where :
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FidoNews 8-24 Page 28 17 Jun 1991
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"Z" is your Zone number,
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"N" is your Net number,
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"X" is your Node number
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and "P" your point-number.
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If you are a sysop, then PPP should be '000'.
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If you are a user, then PPP should be 'USR'.
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E-mailed registrations must be confirmed by regular mail within
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14 days, after this period the registration becomes void unless
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full payment is received in the meantime.
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All Bookings will be confirmed by e-mail as soon payment has
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cleared the bank.
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+------ NOTICE - NOTICE - NOTICE - NOTICE - NOTICE -------+
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| |
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| We are setting up several regional or national |
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| registration sites so you can register in your local |
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| currency. National registration sites have already been |
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| established in the following regions / countries: |
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| Zone 1 - USA / Canada - 1:103/158 - Jim Deputy |
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| Region 20 - Sweden - 2:201/329 - Mats Wallin |
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| Region 23 - Denmark - 2:231/91 - Jens Fallesen |
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| Region 24 - Germany - 2:244/8501 - Joerg Dassler |
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| Region 25 - UK - 2:2/999 - Noel Bradford |
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| Region 26 - Eire - 2:263/151 - David Doyle |
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| Region 28 - Netherlands - 2:512/1 - Peter Janssens |
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| Region 23 - Belguim - 2:295/49 - Ward Dossche |
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| Pricing information in local currency will be made |
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| available a.s.a.p. as magic request name WORLDCON. |
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| |
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| If you are prepared to setup a national registration |
|
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| site for your country or region then please contact |
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| Noel Bradford at 2:2/999 as soon as possible. |
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+---------------------------------------------------------+
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************************
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* The Pricing Schedule *
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************************
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All Prices in GBP ( pounds sterling)
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+--------+--------+
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|Bookings|Bookings|
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|Before |After |
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|July 1 |July 1 |
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+------------------------------------------+--------+--------+
|
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| Plan A. | 110.00 | 132.00 |
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| All inclusive Package | | |
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FidoNews 8-24 Page 29 17 Jun 1991
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| Single Room | | |
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| 2 Nights | | |
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| Per Person | | |
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+------------------------------------------+--------+--------+
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| Plan B | 100.00 | 120.00 |
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| All inclusive Package | | |
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| Twin room Shared | | |
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| 2 Nights | | |
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| Per Person | | |
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+------------------------------------------+--------+--------+
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| Plan C | 125.00 | 150.00 |
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| All Inclusive Package | | |
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| Double Room | | |
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| 2 Nights | | |
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| * Special Deal * | | |
|
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|
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| Delegate gets full inclusive package and | | |
|
|||
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| partner gets room-only accommodation. | | |
|
|||
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+------------------------------------------+--------+--------+
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| Plan D | 55.00 | 66.00 |
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| All inclusive Package | | |
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| Single Room | | |
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| 1 Night ( Saturday ) | | |
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| Per Person | | |
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+------------------------------------------+--------+--------+
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| Plan E | 50.00 | 60.00 |
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| All inclusive Package | | |
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| Twin room Shared | | |
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| 1 Night ( Saturday ) | | |
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| Per Person | | |
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+------------------------------------------+--------+--------+
|
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+--------+--------+
|
|||
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|Bookings|Bookings|
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|Before |After |
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|July 1 |July 1 |
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+------------------------------------------+--------+--------+
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| Plan F | 25.00 | 30.00 |
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| Conference only | | |
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| (Includes Tea/Coffee) | | |
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+------------------------------------------+--------+--------+
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| Plan G | 45.00 | 55.00 |
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| Conference only | | |
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| (Includes Tea/Coffee AND LUNCH) | | |
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+------------------------------------------+--------+--------+
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| Plan H | 100.00 | 110.00 |
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| Non-delegate Program | | |
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| (Includes Sunday lunch | | |
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| Banquet and Coach Trips) | | |
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+------------------------------------------+--------+--------+
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| Plan I | 25.00 | 30.00 |
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FidoNews 8-24 Page 30 17 Jun 1991
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| Banquet | | |
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| (Saturday Night) | | |
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+------------------------------------------+--------+--------+
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| Plan J | 35.00 | 40.00 |
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| Bed & Breakfast ONLY | | |
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| Single Room | | |
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| Per night | | |
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+------------------------------------------+--------+--------+
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| Plan K | 25.00 | 30.00 |
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| Bed & Breakfast ONLY | | |
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| Twin Room (Shared) | | |
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| Per Person Per Night | | |
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+------------------------------------------+--------+--------+
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| Plan L | 50.00 | 60.00 |
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| Bed & Breakfast ONLY | | |
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| Double Room | | |
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| 2 persons per night | | |
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+------------------------------------------+--------+--------+
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| Plan M | 40.00 | 45.00 |
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| Coach Trip Only | | |
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| (includes Lunch & all Admission Charges) | | |
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+------------------------------------------+--------+--------+
|
|||
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|
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*********************
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* THE BOOKING FORMS *
|
|||
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|
*********************
|
|||
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PLEASE NOTE -- THE CLOSING DATE FOR BOOKINGS IS JULY 1st !
|
|||
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|
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*********************************************
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|||
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* Conference & Accomodation Booking Details *
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|||
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*********************************************
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Name: ______________________________________________________
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Address: __________________________ Apt. or Suite: ________
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City: ______________________ State or Province: ___________
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Postal Code: __________________ Country: __________________
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Voice Phone: ____________________ Data: ___________________
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Zone:Net/Node.Point@Domain: ________________________________
|
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Payment by Cheque/Euro-Cheque/Money Order/Bank Transfer
|
|||
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|
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+--------+--------------+---+------+-------+-------+-------+
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| Option | Full Name |Qty|Day in|Day out|Pricing| Total |
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+--------+--------------+---+------+-------+-------+-------+
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| PLAN A | | | 26/7 | 28/7 | | |
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FidoNews 8-24 Page 31 17 Jun 1991
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+--------+--------------+---+------+-------+-------+-------+
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| PLAN B | | | 26/7 | 28/7 | | |(1)
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+--------+--------------+---+------+-------+-------+-------+
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| PLAN C | | | 26/7 | 28/7 | | |(2)
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+--------+--------------+---+------+-------+-------+-------+
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| PLAN D | | | 26/7 | | | |
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+--------+--------------+---+--------------+-------+-------+
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| PLAN E | | | 26/7 | | | |
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+--------+--------------+---+--------------+-------+-------+
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| PLAN F | | | N / A | | |(3)
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+--------+--------------+---+------+-------+-------+-------+
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| PLAN G | | | N / A | | |(4)
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+--------+--------------+---+------+-------+-------+-------+
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| PLAN H | | | 26/7 | 28/7 | | |
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+--------+--------------+---+------+-------+-------+-------+
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| PLAN I | | | N / A | | |(5)
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+--------+--------------+---+------+-------+-------+-------+
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| PLAN J | | | | | | |
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+--------+--------------+---+--------------+-------+-------+
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| PLAN K | | | | | | |
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+--------+--------------+---+--------------+-------+-------+
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|||
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| PLAN L | | | | | | |
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+--------+--------------+---+--------------+-------+-------+
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|||
|
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| PLAN M | | | | | | |(6)
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+--------+--------------+---+--------------+*******========|
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| Total | |
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-----------------
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* Special requirements: _____________________________________
|
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|
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* Arrange a room under plan-B for me, I am : male / female
|
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|
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My roommate should be : smoker / no-smoker / no preference
|
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|
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I prefer to share my room with : ________________________
|
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* For my meals, I prefer : vegetarian / non-vegetarian
|
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* Plan G/L participants name is: ____________________________
|
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(1) Plan B is based on two people sharing a Twin Room.
|
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(2) Plan C includes accommodation on a room-only basis for a
|
|||
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NON delegate ie Wife/Partner. All meals for the Non-
|
|||
|
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Delegate are their own responsibility. (however all meals
|
|||
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except Breakfast are included in Plan G).
|
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|
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(3) Plan F is for those delegates who wish to arrange their own
|
|||
|
|
accommodation and lunches and so just includes Tea/coffee,
|
|||
|
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and Conference Fees.
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
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(4) Plan G is for those delegates who wish to arrange their own
|
|||
|
|
FidoNews 8-24 Page 32 17 Jun 1991
|
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|
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|
|||
|
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accommodation and so just includes Lunches/tea/coffee, and
|
|||
|
|
Conference Fees.
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
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(5) Plan I is for those who are on Plan F or Plans J/K/L that
|
|||
|
|
wish to attend the Banquet on Saturday Evening (This is
|
|||
|
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included in Plans A/B/C/D).
|
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|
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|
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(6) Plan M is just the Coach tour element of Plan H including
|
|||
|
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Lunch. This tour departs from the hotel at 10am.
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* Booking Confirmation *
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I wish to confirm this as a FIRM BOOKING and that it is subject
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to the cancellation conditions as set out above, to which I agree
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to be bound. I understand that the booking wi
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Draft FidoNet Election Policy Revision: 31-Mar-91
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Luke Kolin, 1:250/714@fidonet.org
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As a recognition that FidoNet is based on democratic principles, the
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positions of the NC and RC shall be made elective. The following is an
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election policy that intends to fulfill the democratic intent of
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FidoNet.
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1) Glossary of Terms
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"Elected Officer" Any elected NC or RC.
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"Immediate The administrator one level higher in the FidoNet
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Superior" hierarchy. For example, an NC's immediate superior
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would be the RC, a ZC's would be the IC.
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"Returning System" The equivelant of Chief Electoral Officer. It is
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the sysop of this system who will post notices
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advising eligible sysops as to who is running and
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the close of the election, will count the ballots
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and announce a winner.
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"Semi-Secret This is a ballot where a voter's choice is known
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Ballot" only by the returning system, and by any routing
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systems that the returning officer may designate.
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A voter sends his ballot in with a password. At
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the close of the election, the returning system
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will post a list of passwords and the votes asso-
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ciated with them. Voters may then check to see
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that their password and votes have been received.
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FidoNews 8-24 Page 33 17 Jun 1991
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2) Calling of an Election
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a) An election for a position shall be required by notice of one of
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the following events being given:
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i) Resignation of an elected officer;
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ii) An elected officer seeking a renewed mandate.
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b) An elected officer who has resigned may appoint another sysop to
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act in his stead during the election; however, this interim officer
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must be ratified by the interim officer's immediate superior. He
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may act as a returning system, as outlined in sections 1c and d.
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c) Within three (3) days of this occurring, a formal call of election
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must be given by the immediate superior of the position that shall
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be voted upon, stating:
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i) The date of the election;
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ii) The name of the returning system.
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d) An election must take place within thirty-two (32) days of the
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formal call of election, and every reasonable effort must be made
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to select a returning system acceptable to all.
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3) Voter Eligibility
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a) All sysops listed in the FidoNet nodelist as of twenty-one (21)
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full days before the close of the election are entitled to vote.
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b) All sysops get one (1) vote only.
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c) In network-specific elections, only sysops listed in that network
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and meeting requirement 2a) are entitled to vote.
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4) Voter Notification
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a) All elections shall be conducted via a semi-secret ballot. The
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identity of the voter shall be known only to the returning system.
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b) The returning system must post a public message in the REG12 echo
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informing all systems of:
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i) The date of the vote;
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ii) The position being voted on;
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iii) The returning system's address;
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no less than thirty (30) days before the close of the election by
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the counting of the ballots.
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c) All eligible sysops will receive a netmail message from the
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returning system informing them of:
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FidoNews 8-24 Page 34 17 Jun 1991
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i) The date/time ballots must be received by;
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ii) The position being voted on;
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iii) The candidates;
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iv) The returning system's address;
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v) Valid systems to route their ballot through.
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no less than ten (10) full days before the end of the election by
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the counting of the ballots. After this message is sent out,
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ballots will be accepted by the returning system.
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d) Systems unable to receive the message in 3c) will have a message
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of notification placed in the REG12 echo no less than seven (7)
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full days before the end of the election by the counting of the
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ballots.
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5) Candidate Eligibility
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a) All candidates for the position being voted on must have been
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listed in the FidoNet nodelist as of twenty-one (21) days before
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the close of the election.
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b) Candidates must register by sending a message of intent to the
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returning system's address no less than fourteen (14) full days
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before the end of the election by the counting of the ballots.
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c) All candidates have the right to post up to three (3) messages
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per week about their candidacy in the REG12 area and the admin-
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istrative area of each network.
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d) No one may prevent any candidate from posting an equal number of
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advertising messages than another.
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6) Voting Procedure, Election Results, and Enforcement
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a) All ballots must be in by the closing date and time specified in
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all the notices given.
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b) All ballots must have a sysop name, address, and an alphanumeric
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password of nine (9) characters or less.
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c) To avoid toll charges, ballots may be routed through any system
|
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|
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listed in the notice specified in 3c).
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d) The returning system must acknowlege the receipt of each ballot,
|
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but since this receipt can be routed, it should not indicate either
|
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|
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the password or choice given in the ballot.
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e) The returning system must acknowledge the results of the election
|
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|
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by providing a message:
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i) Listing all the nodes who voted;
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FidoNews 8-24 Page 35 17 Jun 1991
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ii) Providing a list of passwords and their vote;
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iii) Providing a total for each candidate;
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iv) Providing a total of abstentions;
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v) Providing the total number of eligible systems.
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to be posted in the REG12 echo, as well as forwarded to all the NCs
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in Region 12, no more than three (3) days after the close of the
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election.
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f) To be declared the winner, a candidate must receive a simple
|
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|
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plurality of all the votes cast.
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g) Any complaints or violations of this elections policy should be
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reported to the returning system. The returning system and the
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immediate superior of the position being voted upon shall rule
|
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on any complaints. They have the option of anulling any results
|
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and calling a new election.
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7) Ratification Votes
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Ratification votes shall be conducted in a similar matter to the
|
|||
|
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election of a *C with the following differences:
|
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|
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a) The RC shall designate a sysop as returning officer, and shall
|
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issue a formal notice of a ratification vote which shall be the
|
|||
|
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same as in Section 3c) of this policy, except that the name of
|
|||
|
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the candidates shall be replaced by the name of the document
|
|||
|
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being ratified. This shall be issued no less than fourteen (14)
|
|||
|
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days before the close of the election.
|
|||
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b) Eligibility requirements, ballots, and tabulation are the same as
|
|||
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for any other election.
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8) Miscellaneous
|
|||
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|
|||
|
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a) In this document, the male implies the female, the singular implies
|
|||
|
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the plural, etc., etc., except where it wouldn't make sense.
|
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|
Steve Winter
|
|||
|
|
FidoNet 1:151/208 209
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
Preface: The purpose of my writings here is not to necessarily
|
|||
|
|
"convert" or hassle anyone who is content in their current
|
|||
|
|
lifestyle or religion; but rather, to show what the real Biblical
|
|||
|
|
criteria for Christianity is and thereby expose those who are
|
|||
|
|
conning others. Whether they are conning people financially or
|
|||
|
|
socially, false preachers and false Christians are doing great harm
|
|||
|
|
to their fellow man.
|
|||
|
|
Just a basic elementary Bible knowledge could keep current and future
|
|||
|
|
"Jim & Tammy" types from conning anyone or stealing a penny (they
|
|||
|
|
weren't even teaching the real Bible message, EVER).
|
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|
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|
|
FidoNews 8-24 Page 36 17 Jun 1991
|
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|
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|
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|
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The 'Re-Birth of water' IS Jesus name baptism.
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
I hope to herein expose one of the major lies that false preachers
|
|||
|
|
are teaching these days. If I seem emotional, it's just that I hate
|
|||
|
|
to see people being conned. In John 3:5, Jesus told a full grown man
|
|||
|
|
that he needed to be born again of a spiritual birth which consisted
|
|||
|
|
of water and spirit. (notice two distinct elements WATER and SPIRIT).
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
Satan has many misinformed, and some knowingly deceiving false
|
|||
|
|
preachers that teach that the "birth of the water" refers to a man's
|
|||
|
|
physical birth (since there is a watery fluid involved at birth).
|
|||
|
|
That teaching is one of the cheapest, cop out, deceptions in Satan's
|
|||
|
|
arsenal to deceive people about the IMPORTANCE of baptism.
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a
|
|||
|
|
man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the
|
|||
|
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kingdom of God.
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
Notice that Jesus was declaring what a MAN had to do (not a baby),
|
|||
|
|
and that Jesus was referring to a RE-BIRTH; being BORN AGAIN. He
|
|||
|
|
could not have been referring to the fluids of a baby's birth. He
|
|||
|
|
was telling a grown MAN how to be BORN AGAIN. Oh, it sounds real
|
|||
|
|
convincing to look at it as "physical birth", unless you consider
|
|||
|
|
that he was talking to a grown MAN telling him how to be RE-BORN.
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
If that isn't enough to convince you, then just look at how WATER
|
|||
|
|
and SPIRIT are BOTH elements in the plan of salvation that was
|
|||
|
|
preached by Peter at the beginning of the new testament church:
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every
|
|||
|
|
one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,
|
|||
|
|
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
According to the Bible, Jesus name Baptism is what washes away sins,
|
|||
|
|
(remission of sins). Let's notice carefully this next verse:
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and
|
|||
|
|
wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
Then, if you are still not convinced let's look at another verse that
|
|||
|
|
Jesus spoke (and I certainly pray that you will not suggest that a
|
|||
|
|
non-believer would even consider Jesus name water baptism).
|
|||
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|
|||
|
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Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he
|
|||
|
|
that believeth not shall be damned.
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
Seek how the same God that said Water was part of the RE-BIRTH also
|
|||
|
|
declared "and is baptized", how could the Bible be any clearer?
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
Remember, Jesus was talking to a GROWN MAN telling him about a
|
|||
|
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RE-BIRTH, and, as a matter of fact, babies are born IN water,
|
|||
|
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NOT 'OF' Water.. Don't be Deceived.
|
|||
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|
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|
|
FidoNews 8-24 Page 37 17 Jun 1991
|
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|
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|
|||
|
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Steve Winter - [moderator HOLY_BIBLE]
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FidoNews 8-24 Page 38 17 Jun 1991
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RANTS AND FLAMES
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_(*#$_(*@#(* (*^$+)#(%&+| #$)%(&*#_$ @_#( @$
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^@#+)(#&%$*+)$%&*+$*%&#@(@#_|)*%|)#%&)#*%&+(@#&*_+(@#*^&@###
|
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*&#_($*&#$_(*#&$_(#*$&$ _(#$*#$+)#($&*+#)$ &#+$*&#
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()*&#$_(&^#$_(#*$_#($^&#_$(^&#_$(&^#$_(&#^ damn right _(#^&$_(#^&
|
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$*&#$_+(* #)$&(%($%+)($%*+$)%($* it's ugly _#&%^# &
|
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#($_*#$_ FidoNet (*$&%_@#_(*&@#_(@*#&_ @#_(*&@#_(*
|
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)*&#$ Flames *^$+)#(% (not for the timid) @_#(
|
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(*#$_(*^@#+) and #_|)*% &+(@#&*_+(@#*^&@###
|
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(#$*&#_($*&#$_(*#&$_(#* Rants *&+#$*&#+$*&#
|
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)*&#$_(a regular feature)^&#_$(&^#$_ $^&#$_(#^
|
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(*^#$_*#^&$)*#&$^%)#*$&^_#($*^&#_($ Section #&%^_
|
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_(*#&$_(#* #($*& #$* _(*&@#_(@*# *&@#_(*&
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)&*+_)*&+)*&+))&*(*&
|
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(*&_(*&_(*&
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|
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David Rice
|
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Last Known Whereabouts:
|
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|
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1:103/903.0 The Astro-Net
|
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|
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|
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|
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IIII deplore and condemn such programs as EDMEESE and EXCLUDE, which
|
|||
|
|
II nukes or otherwise removes or restricts =LOCAL= message traffic on
|
|||
|
|
IIII a BBS. It is my opinion that when a user sends or posts a message,
|
|||
|
|
it "should" be available for the rest of the users to view. Of
|
|||
|
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course what messages exists on a SysOps' BBS is her / his business; they
|
|||
|
|
are quite autarchic; what messages they choose not to post for THAT NODE'S
|
|||
|
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users is their choice. The other scenario, where a SysOp might remove
|
|||
|
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=Echo Mail= is, of course, immoral, unethical, and should be dealt
|
|||
|
|
swiftly and sternly by the FidoNet hierarchy; it is not the lone
|
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|
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SysOp's right, let alone "duty," to censor material destined for other
|
|||
|
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nodes without DAMN GOOD reason (also just my opinion-- not FidoLaw (tm)
|
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|
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"yet"). Fortunately, the cases of the later have been few.
|
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|
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|
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That said (and I hope clearly), I also applaud the new editor of
|
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|
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FidoNews, Tom Jennings, for choosing to publish "all" articles that are
|
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|
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submitted (within very broad specifications, most being technical and
|
|||
|
|
not political--- thank Goddess!).
|
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|
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|
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Which is why I also applaud Jenning's publications of Steve
|
|||
|
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Winter's occult diatribes (and in the case of FNews 8-23, Winter's
|
|||
|
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paranoid tirade concerning "religious persecutions"). One person's
|
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|
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"spreading the word(s)" is another person's "excessively annoying
|
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|
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behavior," and Tom wisely left it up to us, the readers, to decide
|
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|
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which is which.
|
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FidoNews 8-24 Page 39 17 Jun 1991
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|
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|
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|
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He also leaves it up to the System Operators to pay good money to
|
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|
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spread Winter's occultism, even when it is against their ethical and
|
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|
|
moral principles.
|
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|
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|
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Take for an instance the article on "speaking in tongues," which
|
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|
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I'm very sure 96% of the system operators who had to foot the bill
|
|||
|
|
spreading such sophistic, irrational tripe would rather avoid. I could
|
|||
|
|
choose to be almost as annoying as Winter and post some facts about
|
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|
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glossolalia, and how studies demonstrate that such speakers are
|
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|
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actually speaking their native languages modified only by severe
|
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|
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guttural stops, and in passing note the fact that many people "speak in
|
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|
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tongues" when they orgasm; but then it may be just as excessively
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annoying as Winter's occult harangues.
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Which makes me wonder something. Since Winter is the moderator of a
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Christian occultism echo, which presumably is available to all
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interested parties--- why does he subject his occultism on those who
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have no interest in it? Surely if someone were interested, one would
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just get the echo.
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I again applaud the policy of FidoNews publishing "everything." I
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do not wish to see this policy change, even though this means Steve
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Winter will probably continue burdening us with his vivid
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hallucinations and public bible masturbations. Please file these
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comments from me under "food for thought."
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To summarize. Censorship is "wrong" in my opinion. And yet it is
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also "wrong" to have several thousand system operators ship material
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around that they feel is against their principles. We have a stake in
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promoting rational, logical thinking, and yet we also have a stake in
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allowing illogical, irrational thinkers like Winter to speak as they
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please. This right is a two-edges sword, that must cut both ways.
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Do you object to Steve Winter's occult hysteria in FidoNews? Send
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a letter to HIM instead of the editor, complaining. It is Winter's job
|
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to restrain his fevered rants, not Ton Jennings' job to censor them.
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Speaking In Verse: Proposed change to editorial policy in
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regards to articles of questionable
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merit to FidoNews.
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Brennan O'Brien
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Sysop: Palomar's Halo BBS 1:105/302 (503)641-9476
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I've been reading FNews for about a year now, off amd
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on. Usually, I don't have any guff with anything that is said,
|
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but there was an article in Fnews823 that really got to me.
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FidoNews 8-24 Page 40 17 Jun 1991
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It is my personal belief that FidoNews is one of the
|
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most useful means of transmitting data "from above" to "the
|
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masses" that is available to us. It serves as an information
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piece, a forum, and a platform to ballon new policies.
|
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FNews823 was filled with useful commentary and
|
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discussion, as usual. There was, however, one piece that did
|
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bother me. The article by Steve Winters in Re: Speaking in
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Tounges. I believe firmly in religious freedom of expression,
|
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in the correct place. There was no part of the article that I
|
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|
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could find that was of any value in regards to FidoNet as a
|
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community and technology (Sidebar: Not to say that the
|
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|
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article lacked any value, just not that which I felt contributed
|
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to the knowledge of FidoNet operators in regards to our State
|
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|
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of The Net.).
|
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|
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I would ask formally that the editors loosely examine
|
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|
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articles for relevence to FidoNet as a whole. I don't expect
|
|||
|
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FNews to become a forum for debate of topics that don't effect
|
|||
|
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the operations or future of FidoNet. There are places aplenty
|
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in modemland and FidoNet to take up these discussions (Religion,
|
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|
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Sexual Affinity, Abortion, and Politics to name a few). Fnews
|
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|
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CERTAINLY does not need to deal with these issues in order to
|
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|
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insure proper coverage.
|
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I say loosely examine the articles because there are
|
|||
|
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many that surely come in that have limited merit. Essentially,
|
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I am requesting a clarification be made towards an article
|
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|
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with LIMITED apparent merit and NO apparent merit. This
|
|||
|
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distinction is much like that of "excessively annoying" in that
|
|||
|
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it is difficult to codify. But, there are some obvious
|
|||
|
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guidelines:
|
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Topics related to telecommunications, FidoNet, and the
|
|||
|
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history and future thereof, including the social, cultural,
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economic and political dynamics of modeming are always of
|
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|
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reasonable merit.
|
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|
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|
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Topics related to "Adventures in Modemland", inclusive
|
|||
|
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of troubles, difficulties, heartwarming moments, etc. are of
|
|||
|
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reasonable merit.
|
|||
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|
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|
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Topics related to ethics, mores, behavior and other
|
|||
|
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aspects of psychology and sociology, when related to
|
|||
|
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telecommunications/FidoNet, are of reasonable merit.
|
|||
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|
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|
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Topics which are not related to (except by a stretch of
|
|||
|
|
the imagination) any of the above qualifiers are to be
|
|||
|
|
considered without merit, and their publication may be
|
|||
|
|
restricted at the decision of the FNews editor(s).
|
|||
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|
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|
|
FidoNews 8-24 Page 41 17 Jun 1991
|
|||
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|
|||
|
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|
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|
|
Now, you may be asking why I want to make this sort of
|
|||
|
|
distinction. Do I want to "BAN" articles such as "Speaking"
|
|||
|
|
from Fido? No. Not at all. What I do want is a place where I
|
|||
|
|
can read the "What's Going On" stuff WITHOUT having to read the
|
|||
|
|
"hard moral issues" of religion, politics, abortion, etc. There
|
|||
|
|
are a mass of places on my BBS, on other BBS', and on FidoNet in
|
|||
|
|
general, where I can CHOOSE to go someplace and read these hard
|
|||
|
|
hitting issues. Please, give me a place where I don't have to.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
---
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
/* "Please, give me a place where I don't have to [choose]."
|
|||
|
|
Pretty much says it all. Sorry, I don't let people off
|
|||
|
|
that easy :-) -- tomj */
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
FidoNews 8-24 Page 42 17 Jun 1991
|
|||
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|
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|
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======================================================================
|
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|
|
CLASSIFIEDS
|
|||
|
|
======================================================================
|
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|
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|
|||
|
|
ADVERTISEMENT POLICY: Submissions must be 20 lines or less each,
|
|||
|
|
maximum two ads per advertiser, 70 characters per line maximum. No
|
|||
|
|
control codes except CR and LF. (Refer to contact info at the end of
|
|||
|
|
this newsletter for details.)
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Please notify us if you have any trouble with an advertiser. FidoNews
|
|||
|
|
does not endorse any products or services advertised here.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
FidoNews 8-24 Page 43 17 Jun 1991
|
|||
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|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
======================================================================
|
|||
|
|
NOTICES
|
|||
|
|
======================================================================
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
ICDM HQ
|
|||
|
|
1:352/777
|
|||
|
|
77:1/0
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
PUBLIC APOLOGY
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I apologize to anyone who has been inconvenienced by an emergency
|
|||
|
|
change in my phone number. The nodelist has not been updated,
|
|||
|
|
but my phone number has been changed. At the same time that this
|
|||
|
|
happened, I advertised that you can call my system and file
|
|||
|
|
request ICDM for info on the ICDM Network. Well, since the
|
|||
|
|
nodelist is incorrect, you can't file request. (You can Host-
|
|||
|
|
Route a netmail, though, direct to 352/0). If you desire to file
|
|||
|
|
request info, you may want to override the nodelist for this
|
|||
|
|
week. The old number for 1:352/777 is 1-206-666-9113. The new
|
|||
|
|
number is 1-206-866-3621.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
In case you do not know what info I am refering to, here is a
|
|||
|
|
summary:
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Notice: Invitation to Carry ICDM Net
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
There has begun a new, auxiliary network, which has as a purpose
|
|||
|
|
the linking of persons interested in religion. This is a
|
|||
|
|
specialized Network, aimed at bridging cultures, and enlightening
|
|||
|
|
participants on the faiths of others.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
It is open to any board that is FidoNet compatible. It is
|
|||
|
|
compiled as a separate Zone (77), so your software must be Zone
|
|||
|
|
aware. It is open to any faith, any person, regardless of sex,
|
|||
|
|
creed, color, etc. etc.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
The HOST is Tomas Hood, 1:352/777, the Zone 77 Co-ordinator.
|
|||
|
|
There may be connections close to you, and as we grow, there will
|
|||
|
|
surely be!
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
For more information, send netmail to 1:352/777, and request ICDM,
|
|||
|
|
which is an information packet.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Thanks for your interest and we look forward to hearing from you.
|
|||
|
|
And, thanks for understanding the problem with my phone number
|
|||
|
|
chages.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
-=Tomas Hood=-
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
FidoNews 8-24 Page 44 17 Jun 1991
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
The Interrupt Stack
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
26 Jul 1991
|
|||
|
|
WORLDCON '91 -- July 26-28 -- The First Global Fidonet Conference -
|
|||
|
|
London England. Details From 2:25/102 or 1:103/158 freq magic name
|
|||
|
|
WORLDCON.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
15 Aug 1991
|
|||
|
|
8 Sep 1991
|
|||
|
|
7 Oct 1991
|
|||
|
|
Area code 415 fragments. Alameda and Contra Costa Counties will begin
|
|||
|
|
using area code 510. This includes Oakland, Concord, Berkeley and
|
|||
|
|
Hayward. San Francisco, San Mateo, Marin, parts of Santa Clara County,
|
|||
|
|
and the San Francisco Bay Islands will retain area code 415.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
1 Nov 1991
|
|||
|
|
Area code 301 will split. Area code 410 will consist of the
|
|||
|
|
northeastern part of Maryland, as well as the eastern shore. This will
|
|||
|
|
include Baltimore and the surrounding area. Area 301 will include
|
|||
|
|
southern and western parts of the state, including the areas around
|
|||
|
|
Washington DC. Area 410 phones will answer to calls to area 301 until
|
|||
|
|
November, 1992.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
1 Feb 1992
|
|||
|
|
Area code 213 fragments. Western, coastal, southern and eastern
|
|||
|
|
portions of Los Angeles County will begin using area code 310. This
|
|||
|
|
includes Los Angeles International Airport, West Los Angeles, San
|
|||
|
|
Pedro and Whittier. Downtown Los Angeles and surrounding communities
|
|||
|
|
(such as Hollywood and Montebello) will retain area code 213.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
1 Dec 1993
|
|||
|
|
Tenth anniversary of Fido Version 1 release.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
5 Jun 1997
|
|||
|
|
David Dodell's 40th Birthday
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
If you have something which you would like to see on this calendar,
|
|||
|
|
please send a message to FidoNet node 1:1/1.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Please add this entry to the FidoNet utilities section of FidoNews.
|
|||
|
|
Message Master (refered to as MsgMstr) is a FTSC-type message editor
|
|||
|
|
for Windows v3.0 and PC-based machines. It is at v1.21. Please list
|
|||
|
|
it as:
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
MsgMstr v1.21
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
in the appropriate format for FidoNews.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
FidoNews 8-24 Page 45 17 Jun 1991
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Thanks...Will Schlichtman
|
|||
|
|
1:350/59
|
|||
|
|
the author
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Tomas Hood
|
|||
|
|
FidoNet 1:352/777
|
|||
|
|
ICDM Network 77:77/1
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
FINEARTS ECHO NOW AVAILABLE!
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
FINEARTS is a conference for anyone who enjoys the Fine Arts,
|
|||
|
|
from Theatre to Poetry, Painting or Sculpure, and all in between.
|
|||
|
|
This is for the person who performs, or simply enjoys. This is
|
|||
|
|
an open conference. We pass on film festival info, talk about
|
|||
|
|
Longfellow, or discuss oil painting. Join us!
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
It is, at present, a non-backbone Echo Hosted and Moderated by
|
|||
|
|
Tomas Hood [1:352/777]. Initial links will be provided from this
|
|||
|
|
system to any and all who request same. However, it is about to
|
|||
|
|
become part of Region 17's available echoes. If there is enough
|
|||
|
|
of a demand, it can possibly be negotiated onto the backbone.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
The Echo is open to anyone who desires to discuss the topic of
|
|||
|
|
the Fine Arts.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
A sample of the first few messages and the statement of purpose
|
|||
|
|
of the Echo is available as FNART (majyk name for FNART.ARJ)
|
|||
|
|
from this system anytime. The ARJ archive utility is also
|
|||
|
|
available as "ARJ," if you wish to get an idea of whether to
|
|||
|
|
commit disk space to the Echo.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
I hope you will join us or ask your Sysop to request a link
|
|||
|
|
via Netmail to 1:352/777.
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Cheers!
|
|||
|
|
Tomas Hood
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
FidoNews 8-24 Page 46 17 Jun 1991
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
======================================================================
|
|||
|
|
LATEST VERSIONS
|
|||
|
|
======================================================================
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Latest Software Versions
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
MS-DOS Systems
|
|||
|
|
--------------
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Bulletin Board Software
|
|||
|
|
Name Version Name Version Name Version
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
DMG 2.93 Phoenix 1.3 TAG 2.5g
|
|||
|
|
Fido 12t+ QuickBBS 2.66 TBBS 2.1
|
|||
|
|
GSBBS 3.02 RBBS 17.3B TComm/TCommNet 3.4
|
|||
|
|
Lynx 1.30 RBBSmail 17.3B Telegard 2.5
|
|||
|
|
Kitten 2.16 RemoteAccess 1.01* TPBoard 6.1
|
|||
|
|
Maximus 1.02 SLBBS 1.77A Wildcat! 2.55
|
|||
|
|
Opus 1.14+ Socrates 1.10 WWIV 4.12
|
|||
|
|
PCBoard 14.5a SuperBBS 1.10 XBBS 1.17
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Network Node List Other
|
|||
|
|
Mailers Version Utilities Version Utilities Version
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
BinkleyTerm 2.40 EditNL 4.00 ARC 7.0
|
|||
|
|
D'Bridge 1.30 MakeNL 2.31 ARCAsim 2.30
|
|||
|
|
Dutchie 2.90C ParseList 1.30 ARCmail 2.07
|
|||
|
|
FrontDoor 2.00 Prune 1.40 ConfMail 4.00
|
|||
|
|
InterMail 2.01* SysNL 3.14 Crossnet v1.5
|
|||
|
|
PRENM 1.47 XlatList 2.90 DOMAIN 1.42
|
|||
|
|
SEAdog 4.60* XlaxDiff 2.40* EMM 2.02
|
|||
|
|
TIMS 1.0(Mod8) XlaxNode 2.40* 4Dog/4DMatrix 1.18
|
|||
|
|
Gmail 2.05
|
|||
|
|
GROUP 2.16
|
|||
|
|
GUS 1.30
|
|||
|
|
HeadEdit 1.18
|
|||
|
|
IMAIL 1.10
|
|||
|
|
InterPCB 1.31
|
|||
|
|
LHARC 1.13
|
|||
|
|
MSG 4.1
|
|||
|
|
MSGED 2.06
|
|||
|
|
MSGTOSS 1.3
|
|||
|
|
Oliver 1.0a
|
|||
|
|
PK[UN]ZIP 1.10
|
|||
|
|
PolyXarc 2.1a*
|
|||
|
|
QM 1.0
|
|||
|
|
QSORT 4.03
|
|||
|
|
ScanToss 1.28
|
|||
|
|
Sirius 1.0x
|
|||
|
|
SLMAIL 1.36
|
|||
|
|
StarLink 1.01
|
|||
|
|
FidoNews 8-24 Page 47 17 Jun 1991
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
TagMail 2.41
|
|||
|
|
TCOMMail 2.2
|
|||
|
|
Telemail 1.27
|
|||
|
|
TMail 1.21
|
|||
|
|
TPBNetEd 3.2
|
|||
|
|
TosScan 1.00
|
|||
|
|
UFGATE 1.03
|
|||
|
|
XRS 4.50*
|
|||
|
|
XST 2.3e
|
|||
|
|
ZmailH 1.14
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
OS/2 Systems
|
|||
|
|
------------
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Bulletin Board Software Network Mailers Other Utilities
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Name Version Name Version Name Version
|
|||
|
|
|
|||
|
|
Maximus-CBCS 1.02 BinkleyTerm 2.40 Parselst 1.32
|
|||
|
|
ConfMail 4.00
|
|||
|
|
EchoStat 6.0
|
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Tick 2.0
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BinkleyTerm 2.32B Unzip 3.10
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ARC 5.21
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ParseLst 1.32
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Vpurge 4.08
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[Contact: Jon Hogan-Duran 3:711/909, Ommm 1.42
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Willy Paine 1:343/15, Eddy van Loo Msged 2.06
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2:285/406] Zoo 2.01
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MSGREN
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Apple II
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GBBS Pro 2.1 Fruity Dog 2.0* ShrinkIt 3.23
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DDBBS + 7.4* ShrinkIt GS 1.04
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deARC2e 2.1
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ProSel 8.69*
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Apple CP/M
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Daisy v2j Daisy Mailer 0.38 Nodecomp 0.37
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MsgUtil 2.5
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PackUser v4
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Filer v2-D
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UNARC.COM 1.20
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Macintosh
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Red Ryder Host 2.1 Tabby 2.2 MacArc 0.04
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Mansion 7.15 Copernicus 1.0 ArcMac 1.3
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WWIV (Mac) 3.0 LHArc 0.41
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Hermes 1.5 StuffIt Classic 1.6
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FBBS 0.91 Compact Pro 1.30
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Precision Systems 0.95b* TImport 1.92
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TeleFinder Host 2.12T10 TExport 1.92
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Timestamp 1.6
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Tset 1.3
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Import 3.2
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Export 3.21
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Point System Software Sundial 3.2
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PreStamp 3.2
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Name Version OriginatorII 2.0
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AreaFix 1.6
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Copernicus 1.0 Mantissa 3.21
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CounterPoint 1.09 Zenith 1.5
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Eventmeister 1.0
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TSort 1.0
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Mehitable 2.0
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UNZIP 1.02c
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Zip Extract 0.10
|
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Amiga
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Bulletin Board Software Network Mailers Other Utilities
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Falcon CBBS 0.45 BinkleyTerm 1.00 AmigArc 0.23
|
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Paragon 2.082+ TrapDoor 1.50 AReceipt 1.5
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TransAmiga 1.07 WelMat 0.44 booz 1.01
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ConfMail 1.12
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ChameleonEdit 0.10
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ElectricHerald1.66
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Lharc 1.30
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Login 0.18
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MessageFilter 1.52
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oMMM 1.49b
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ParseLst 1.64
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PkAX 1.00
|
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PolyxAmy 2.02
|
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RMB 1.30
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Roof 44.03
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RoboWriter 1.02
|
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Rsh 4.06
|
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Skyparse 2.30
|
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Tick 0.75
|
|||
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TrapList 1.12
|
|||
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UNZIP 1.31
|
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Yuck! 1.61
|
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Zippy (Unzip) 1.25
|
|||
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Zoo 2.01
|
|||
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Atari ST/TT
|
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Bulletin Board Network Node List
|
|||
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|
|||
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FIDOdoor/ST 2.3.2* BinkleyTerm 2.40l ParseList 1.30
|
|||
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QuickBBS/ST 1.02 The BOX 1.20 Xlist 1.12
|
|||
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Pandora BBS 2.41c EchoFix 1.20
|
|||
|
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GS Point 0.61 sTICK/Hatch 5.50
|
|||
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LED ST 1.00
|
|||
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MSGED 1.96S
|
|||
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|
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|
|||
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|
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|
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Archiver Msg Format Other
|
|||
|
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Utilities Version Converters Version Utilities Version
|
|||
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|
|||
|
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LHARC 0.60 TB2BINK 1.00 ConfMail 4.03
|
|||
|
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LHARC2 3.18 BINK2TB 1.00 ComScan 1.02
|
|||
|
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ARC 6.02 FiFo 2.1n* Import 1.14
|
|||
|
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PKUNZIP 1.10 OMMM 1.40
|
|||
|
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Pack 1.00
|
|||
|
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FastPack 1.20
|
|||
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FDrenum 2.2.7
|
|||
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Trenum 0.10
|
|||
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|||
|
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Archimedes
|
|||
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|
|||
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BBS Software Mailers Utilities
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
ARCbbs 1.44 BinkleyTerm 2.03 Unzip 2.1TH
|
|||
|
|
ARC 1.03
|
|||
|
|
!Spark 2.00d
|
|||
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|
|||
|
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ParseLst 1.30
|
|||
|
|
BatchPacker 1.00
|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
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|
|||
|
|
+ Netmail capable (does not require additional mailer software)
|
|||
|
|
* Recently changed
|
|||
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|
|||
|
|
Utility authors: Please help keep this list up to date by
|
|||
|
|
reporting new versions to 1:1/1. It is not our intent to list
|
|||
|
|
all utilities here, only those which verge on necessity.
|
|||
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|
|||
|
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/* NOTE: Until 1 Aug 1991 versions are on "hold" til the editor gets
|
|||
|
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back and finds a volunteer to maintain this file. -- tomj */
|
|||
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------- FIDONEWS MASTHEAD AND CONTACT INFORMATION ----------------
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Editors: Tom Jennings, Tim Pozar
|
|||
|
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Editors Emeritii: Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell, Vince Periello
|
|||
|
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Special thanks to Ken Kaplan, 1:100/22, aka Fido #22
|
|||
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|
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|
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"FidoNews" BBS
|
|||
|
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FidoNet 1:1/1
|
|||
|
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Internet fidonews@fidonews.fidonet.org
|
|||
|
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BBS (415)-863-2739 (9600 HST/V32)
|
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|
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|
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(Postal Service mailing address)
|
|||
|
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FidoNews
|
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|
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|
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|
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Published weekly by and for the Members of the FidoNet international
|
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amateur electronic mail system. It is a compilation of individual
|
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articles contributed by their authors or their authorized agents. The
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contribution of articles to this compilation does not diminish the
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rights of the authors. Opinions expressed in these articles are those
|
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of the authors and not necessarily those of FidoNews.
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FidoNews is copyright 1991 Fido Software. All rights reserved.
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Duplication and/or distribution permitted for noncommercial purposes
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|
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only. For use in other circumstances, please contact FidoNews (we're
|
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|
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easy).
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OBTAINING COPIES: FidoNews in electronic form may be obtained from
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Class within North America, or $7.00US elsewhere, mailed Air Mail.
|
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Periodic subscriptions are not available at this time; if enough
|
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|
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people request it I will implement it.
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SUBMISSIONS: You are encouraged to submit articles for publication in
|
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|
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|
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"Fido", "FidoNet" and the dog-with-diskette are U.S. registered
|
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trademarks of Tom Jennings of Fido Software, Box 77731, San Francisco
|
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|
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CA 94107, USA and are used with permission.
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