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Volume 6, Number 44 30 October 1989
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Editor in Chief: Vince Perriello
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Editors Emeritii: Dale Lovell
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Thom Henderson
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Chief Procrastinator Emeritus: Tom Jennings
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FidoNews is published weekly by the International FidoNet
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Association as its official newsletter. You are encouraged to
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submit articles for publication in FidoNews. Article submission
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standards are contained in the file ARTSPEC.DOC, available from
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node 1:1/1. 1:1/1 is a Continuous Mail system, available for
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network mail 24 hours a day.
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Copyright 1989 by the International FidoNet Association. All
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rights reserved. Duplication and/or distribution permitted for
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noncommercial purposes only. For use in other circumstances,
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please contact IFNA at (314) 576-4067. IFNA may also be contacted
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at PO Box 41143, St. Louis, MO 63141.
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Fido and FidoNet are registered trademarks of Tom Jennings of
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Fido Software, 164 Shipley Avenue, San Francisco, CA 94107 and
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are used with permission.
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We don't necessarily agree with the contents of every article
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published here. Most of these materials are unsolicited. No
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article submitted by a FidoNet SysOp will be rejected if it is
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properly attributed and legally acceptable. We will publish
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every responsible submission received.
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Table of Contents
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1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
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Just a few notes from the Editor ......................... 1
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2. ARTICLES ................................................. 2
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The FIDONet <r> Bible .................................... 2
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Announcing MACLIST ....................................... 4
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Midrange Systems Echo .................................... 7
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Hurricane Hugo plus one month ............................ 8
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IFNA Referendum Election Rules ........................... 11
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3. LATEST VERSIONS .......................................... 18
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Latest Software Versions ................................. 18
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4. NOTICES .................................................. 21
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And more!
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FidoNews 6-44 Page 1 30 Oct 1989
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EDITORIAL
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Please, when submitting copyrighted material, give me some way of
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determining that the material may in fact be used in FidoNews. I
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won't knowingly publish such material without these assurances.
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Thanks for the responses to last week's call for help. I'll be
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contacting some of you shortly. It looks like there will need to
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be a group rather than one individual, but at least I can shed
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the load. That's all I was looking to do.
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This week the rules are being published for the IFNA referendum.
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Please take some of your valuable time, read the rules, consider
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the alternatives, and vote.
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As always, thanks for reading this thing. And thanks for your
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submissions!
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FidoNews 6-44 Page 2 30 Oct 1989
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ARTICLES
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The FIDONet <r> Bible
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As an individual, interested in knowing about and spreading
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some of the history of FidoNet, I am going to write a
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"Bible". It's form will take after a lot of the Roman Catholic
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Bible, but will not contain any thing from "God".
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Things that will be considered are:
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o Net-Policies. They will be given names such as
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"A Letter from FidoNet to Net-XXXX".
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o Anecdotes <not antidotes...[grin!]>
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o the growth of FidoNet.
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o History Documents *
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o and just about anything else.
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(*) History Documents _MAY_ be rejected. Already included
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in the "Bible" is Policy 4.06.
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Within ONE (1) week after you make your submission you will
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recieve NetMail declaring either your inclusion, or the
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rejection of your submission. As I stated. Most anything
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will be accepted.
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Please use some degree of taste, as this will probably be
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distributed net-wide. All persons who submit an entry will
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receive a copy on Jan. 1, 1990. The Press-Date for the
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"Bible" is December 27, 1989. File attaches will go out on
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the 29th and 30th of December, 1989, and the 1st of January,
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1990.
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Guidelines.
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Your file should be ready to be processed into the bible when
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we receive it. This is how it should be formatted.
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o The "book" should be written no longer than 40-columns
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across. We think that we can fit more into the bible this
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way.
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o If the submission is a real long file that you don't want
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to have to deal with changing formats, you may submit it as-is.
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o There should be no left margins and no spaces between
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paragraphs. However, if you were going to "block" something,
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you can do as follows.
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FidoNews 6-44 Page 3 30 Oct 1989
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And so the reply came, "ISIS II
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is NOT FSC-0001 compatible.
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Therefore, he will be dropped
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from the Fido Net nodelist."
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o Avoid something in all-caps. Exceptions are abbreviations.
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o If your submission runs more than 40-characters wide, there
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should be a right margin of about 75.
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o Please categorize your submission. There will be three main
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sections. The categories are
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o .OLD Old Testament (History, etc ... )
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o .NEW New Testament (Current Events ... )
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o .APL Appocalypse (Future Expectations)
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or you can make your own "Section" by naming the extension
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with your initials or name. PLEASE BE CAREFUL if you do
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this. If a certain Net-105 sysop with the initials 'RB'
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sent something in tonight, and a sysop from New York with
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the initials 'RB' sent something in, the result wouldn't
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be pretty <especially if they had the same file-name>.
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A copy will be sent to all those who send submissions, and you
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can "Order" one from a node to be announced, hopefully as "Bible"
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They will be ready on or about 01/01/1990.
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Send submissions to
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FidoNet Bible Editor
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at 1:105/377.0
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All are encouraged to participate!
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Joe Stein,
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Sysop, Seven Dwarfs BBS,
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1:105/377.0
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FidoNews 6-44 Page 4 30 Oct 1989
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Tom Heffernan 1:107/554
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Ralph Merritt 1:269/102
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ANNOUNCING MACINTOSH ALTERNATIVE CONNECTIONS LIST (MACLIST)
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We are pleased to announce that a new, MacIntosh oriented
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network has been formed. Named the 'MacIntosh Alternative
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Connection List', MACLIST has been located in the last
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remaining single-digit Zone address, Zone 6.
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The current MACLIST nodelist is available to all interested.
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Just file request 'MACLIST.ARC' from 1:107/554 or 1:269/102
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(FidoNet), 7:520/554 (AlterNet) or 99:9220/201 (EggNet) or
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any closer system to you that might carry it. The first
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MACLIST nodelist was delivered to initial members on Day 300
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(Friday, October 27, 1989).
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Why form MACLIST? There are several reasons we decided to
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form the MacIntosh Alternative Connection List. Here are
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some that inspired us to form MACLIST:
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o The MacIntosh is rapidly entering the world of computer
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networking. MacIntoshes are located in many different
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networks, but how to find them? The MACLIST nodelist
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is a centralized source for you to communicate with
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other MacIntoshes - simply compile the MACLIST nodelist!
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o The MacIntosh community has many unique aspects. The
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MACLIST is a network for Mac sysops, and their users,
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to join together and address MacIntosh issues that
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affect us all, examine the technology, discuss topics
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and disseminate information of interest to the
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MacIntosh community.
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o Need a MacIntosh echo connection? Files? Looking for
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'Mac compatibility' (SEAlink transfer protocols and
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WaZOO FREQs)? Check MACLIST for a system near you ...
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the MacIntosh Alternative Connection, an independent
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network on the move.
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If you are running a MacIntosh system, or a system dedicated
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to MacIntosh users (the MACLIST is not necessarily composed
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100% of systems that are physically running on MacIntoshes,
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but a member must have a system dedicated/oriented to the
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MacIntosh user), and are interested in joining the MACLIST,
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please contact one of us at our addresses listed below!
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It is our goal to generate a constructive discussion of this
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network with the MacIntosh community in the MACSYSOP echo.
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If you are interested in MACLIST, you might want to get a
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MACSYSOP feed to keep in touch with developments; if you
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need a feed, please contact one of us below and we'll locate
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a source. MACSYSOP is not 'on the Fidonet backbone'. You
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do not have to carry MACSYSOP to be a member in MACLIST.
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FidoNews 6-44 Page 5 30 Oct 1989
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Here are our answers to some of the questions we have been
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receiving:
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Q: Why have you choosen Zone 6 for MACLIST?
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A: The Tabby mailer for the MacIntosh does not have the
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capability to use two-digit zone addresses. We therefore
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do not have a choice in Zone selection. Zone 6 is the
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last remaining unoccupied single-digit Zone address, and
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we do not wish to intrude on another network's Zone or
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encounter the technical problems associated with a
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'shared Zone'. It is our hope that 'Other Nets' will
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respect our position and recognize why MACLIST is
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occupying Zone 6.
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Q: What do I have to do to become a member of MACLIST?
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A: Run a BBS/system that caters to the MacIntosh community
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and is accessable via some form of mailer that is FTSC
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compatible. It does NOT matter what hardware or software
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you use as long as you support the Mac. Just send a
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message to one of us at the addresses listed below.
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Q: Is membership in MACLIST free?
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A: Yes.
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Q: If I do not join MACLIST will it be hard for me to get
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some Mac echoes?
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A: MACLIST does not have any echoes based in it. In other
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words NOT being a member of MACLIST will NEVER stop you
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from getting an echo. We believe that the MACLIST will
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actually ASSIST you in finding systems that carry any or
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all of the 29 currently existing MacIntosh echos.
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Q: Will I have to use my MACLIST node number?
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A: MACLIST is NOT a 'replacement' for other networks. You
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do not have to use your MACLIST node number as a primary
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node address. It does not have to even appear in your
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origin line. The minimal requirement is to make it an
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AKA on your system (to avoid duplicates and such).
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Q: Will joining this network cause problems for me in any
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other networks?
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A: It should not, as there have been software and hardware
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specific Networks for a long time with no problem, with
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participants in multiple networks. DOS-based boards
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have been using nets like this all along (for example,
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PNET, QNET, RBBS-Net). Each is means of communication
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and support for a particular interest group, just as
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MACLIST is oriented to the MacIntosh community.
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Q: Why are you using the MACSYSOP echo to communicate rather
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then the MUGADMIN echo?
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A: To communicate in matters concerning MACLIST we have
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FidoNews 6-44 Page 6 30 Oct 1989
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chosen to use the MACSYSOP Echo. We are using this echo
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rather then MUGADMIN because the MACSYSOP echo is not a
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Fidonet, Alternet (or any other net) echo and it is not
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carried on the backbone. Carrying the MACSYSOP echo is
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not a requirement of MACLIST membership, although it is
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encouraged.
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Looking forward to bringing the MacIntosh community
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together,
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Tom Heffernan Ralph Merritt
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1:107/554, 7:520/554 1:269/102
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Rock Pile BBS Dragon's Cave BBS
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(201)987-9232 (201)299-1445
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24 Hours/HST 24 Hours/HST
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FidoNews 6-44 Page 7 30 Oct 1989
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David Gibbs
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1:115/439
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MIDRANGE SYSTEMS ECHO
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I am in the process of forming a new echo for professional
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computer users. It will be similar in concept to the MAINFRAME
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echo, but will be for IBM System/34, 36, 38, and AS/400 mini-
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computer users (also known as MIDRANGE computers). The area tag
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will be (obviously) MIDRANGE.
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Midrange Systems have become a major part of IBM's plan for the
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future, and I feel that many of our users would find an echo
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dedicated to these system usefull. Topics currently being
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discussed include SAA, communications, CASE, and programming.
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If you would be interested in carrying this echo, please contact
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me. I can be reached at 1:115/439 or on my system, The Midrange
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System BBS, at 312-439-9679 (708-439-9679 after November 11th).
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David Gibbs, SysOp
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The Midrange System BBS
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1:115/439
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FidoNews 6-44 Page 8 30 Oct 1989
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Hurricane Hugo plus one month...
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I would like to take time to personally thank each and every one
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of the people that contributed to my "Relief Fund", but it will
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be a while before I have time to sit down and actually write you
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each a personal note. As of today, I still don't have a road
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cut to my homesite (we'll take care of that November 4th with a
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bulldozer, tractor, bushhog and about three dozen crazed people
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armed with chainsaws <grin>...)... Things are still a mess here
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except on the major urban streets - they wanted to get tourists
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back in town to help with the confusion! Most people (90%) have
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power now, and most of the phones seem to work reliably, but the
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trees are still stacked 8' deep along every street and highway.
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I have tried to keep my stuff together enough to keep accurate
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records of who sent what, but I managed to lose one of my cheat
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sheets, so I have two people that contributed that I don't have
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a first name or net/node number for - the last names are: Luca
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and Garcia. If there is anyone else that is not on either list
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below, please accept my sincere apologies for idiocy - I really
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am doing the best I can! I also have a set of contributions of
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$210 that I have no names at all written down for - those came
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in around October 5th (three people that aren't getting "credit"
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please send me a nastygram via netmail and I'll post the proper
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names soon - I'm *very* sorry this happened - that was one of
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the more "fun" days - when I went through the Federal Emergency
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Management Agency - and Senator Hollings was right - they're the
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biggest bunch of bureaucratic jackasses that anyone has ever had
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to deal with!) I still haven't seen a cent from good ol' Uncle
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Sam, and I'm not even able to file my SBA emergency loan package
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since the IRS hasn't sent me copies of my last three years tax
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returns (and they guaranteed three-day turnaround <grin>...).
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Mike Ratledge Fund - Hurricane Hugo Relief
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There are two lists - one was maintained by Ed Meloan of 360/1
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who took care of the early contributions when it wasn't clear
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exactly what/where/how I was doing - here's his (slightly more
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accurate) list:
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Here are the folks who have contributed, through Augusta Forum,
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to help Mike Ratledge who lost his home and all belongings in
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Hurricane Hugo. This list represents mail received at Augusta
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Forum through 10/22/89.
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Since it is now possible to send contributions to Mike direct,
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this will be the last report I will issue. Any checks that are
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received here, after this report, will be mailed down to Mike
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and he will acknowledge them. My thanks to all those on this
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list. Your help was appreciated!
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FidoNews 6-44 Page 9 30 Oct 1989
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Ed Meloan 360/1.1 Hank von Dohlen 360/1.18
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Rick Fowler 360/1.8 Al Jennings 360/1.5
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Betty Draughon 360/1.10 Donald Fletcher 360/1.3
|
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Bill Weinel 151/121 John Jenkins 360/1.12
|
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Wayne Mathews 360/1.4 Van Stokes,Jr. 135/59
|
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Amnon Nissan 151/100 Bob Gardner Orlando,FL
|
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Fred Niemczenia 371/7 Brenda Donovan 202/324
|
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Norm Henke 157/200 Bob Moravsik 269/107
|
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Steve Crews 371/4 Don O'Shaughessy 250/416
|
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Allen Genitski 360/1.20 Tim Spofford 125/9
|
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Allen Fitzsimmons 363/47 Patrick Dixon OK City, OK
|
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Curtis Oglesby 360/1.13 Robert Devereaux Summerville,SC
|
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Joe Brown 272/1 Charles Fairchild Washington,DC
|
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Lawrence Donie 363/54 John Black 360/1.15
|
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Jean Prophet 135/33 Barbara O'Keefe 135/54
|
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Matthew Hardison 109/519 John Lively Edina,MN
|
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Kenneth Honeycutt 360/1.27 Glen Johnson 269/101
|
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Jerry Pickup 360/1.33 Joseph Salemi 109/136
|
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Bud Zahand 360/1.9 David Gibbs 115/439
|
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Diane Smith 161/7 Bernard Plotkin Miami,FL
|
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Russell Ferguson 123/13 Dale Barnes 375/11
|
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Walter Tietjen 7:48/2022 Jim Dunmyer 234/100
|
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Kevin Barkes 129/38 Gordon Gattone 18/8
|
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Alfred Carr 104/415 Dick Kimmel 129/108
|
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David Crowder 135/906
|
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|
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|
Total contributed through Forum: $1505.00
|
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|
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|
Please mail new contributions =DIRECT= to Mike. Please include
|
|||
|
YOUR FidoNet Node number with the check. Here is his temporary
|
|||
|
address:
|
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|
|||
|
Mike Ratledge
|
|||
|
149 East Bay
|
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|
Charleston, SC 29401
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|
Here in Charleston, once Amnon and Ed let everybody know I was
|
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|
still kicking (darn it <grin>...) I started receiving tons of
|
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|
clothes and contributions, too!
|
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|
|
|||
|
First off - System Enhancement Associates sent 50lbs of clothes!
|
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|
|
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|
|
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|
Here's a list of folks that have contributed to me directly here
|
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|
at East Bay X-Change BBS:
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|
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|
Miles Hoover 109/124 Bob Gardner
|
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Forist Babcock 112/1701 Kurt Reisler 109/101
|
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Phil & Concetta Buonomo 107/583 Shay Walters 376/12
|
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|
Jim McNamee 376/? Robert Wilhite 376/14
|
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|
Karen French 376/14 Kevin & Holly Parris 376/?
|
|||
|
Phillip Jones 376/28 Gene Lowry 300/11
|
|||
|
Bit Bucket & Spark Software 132/101 Bob & Carol Hartman 132/101
|
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|
FidoNews 6-44 Page 10 30 Oct 1989
|
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|
|||
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|
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Bernhard Eisenhut 2:507/628 George Stanislav 129/39
|
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Jim Faucette 372/9 Jim Colligan 372/1
|
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|
Robert Graham 110/180 Elbeville NC Methodist Women
|
|||
|
Michael Blair 202/? Michael Downing 112/25
|
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|
Larry Odom 3602/39 Peter Paul 107/609
|
|||
|
Don Kuhla 125/7 Jack Hazel
|
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|
Orville Bullitt 135/36 Fred Myers 360/1
|
|||
|
Floyd Drennon 375/14 Margo & Tom Porter 125/26
|
|||
|
Mark Howard 260/340
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
Total of $2420.24 here - grand total to date of $3925.24!!!
|
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|
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|
(A couple of those listed above were originally in foreign
|
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|
currency amounts and that's why the odd cents are there...)
|
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|
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|
Guys - I can't tell you how much this has helped me during this
|
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|
"trial by wind" here! I've kept up my bills, bought a minimal
|
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|
stereo so I don't go nuts (35+ compact disks we found are the
|
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|
only useful thing we found period - they all worked but one!),
|
|||
|
taken the wife to a couple nice dinners, etc, etc. I will be
|
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|
using the rest of the $$ to help defray unknown expenses as I
|
|||
|
pull myself back together over the next six to eight months and
|
|||
|
rebuild. Hopefully, by the time I'm back in my new house, I'll
|
|||
|
have received a little money from the SBA at 4% to buy myself a
|
|||
|
new 'puter, rebuild the dock (not insurable), do a little land-
|
|||
|
scaping, etc. - I'm sure beginning to wonder!?! I know I will
|
|||
|
insure my personal property a little better next time!
|
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|
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|
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|
THANKS AGAIN!!!
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|
|||
|
Mike Ratledge - 372/666
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-----------------------------------------------------------------
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|
FidoNews 6-44 Page 11 30 Oct 1989
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|
|||
|
|
|||
|
Election Rules
|
|||
|
IFNA/FidoNet Referendum
|
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|
|
|||
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|
|||
|
1. What we're voting on.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
The International FidoNet Association Board of Directors, at the
|
|||
|
1989 annual meeting at FidoCon in San Jose, passed a resolution
|
|||
|
which calls for a vote to be conducted throughout the entire
|
|||
|
FidoNet network to decide the future of IFNA. The text of this
|
|||
|
resolution is as follows:
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
We, the representatives of the International FidoNet
|
|||
|
Association, have heard a cry for democracy in the
|
|||
|
administration of the network. As IFNA is supposed to
|
|||
|
represent the interests of the sysops, and as such
|
|||
|
representation is deemed to have failed, be it hereby
|
|||
|
resolved that:
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
Without a mandate from the sysops of FidoNet, IFNA has no
|
|||
|
purpose or reason for existence.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
THEREFORE, the board proposes the following action, of which
|
|||
|
failure to pass will mean the dissolution of IFNA:
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
It is hereby resolved that a special election be held
|
|||
|
for consideration by the Sysops of FidoNet of the
|
|||
|
following:
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
IFNA shall be empowered to re-draft the bylaws of IFNA
|
|||
|
and to draft a Policy document for FidoNet. Such
|
|||
|
documents are to include:
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1. An independent judicial system.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
2. A reduced size Board of Directors, to be
|
|||
|
completely reseated in an election on or before
|
|||
|
FidoCon 1990.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
3. Better representation from outside the United
|
|||
|
States.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
4. Make each sysop in FidoNet a member in IFNA
|
|||
|
with all rights and privileges of membership.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
Voting for referendum of this document shall be completed on
|
|||
|
or before December 1, 1989. The rules of the election shall
|
|||
|
make it clear that failure of the election to approve the
|
|||
|
questions presented shall result in the current Board of
|
|||
|
Directors acting under Article XII to dissolve the
|
|||
|
corporation.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
FidoNews 6-44 Page 12 30 Oct 1989
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
In addition, it shall be made clear that approval must be
|
|||
|
gained from a majority of the eligible nodes in the nodelist
|
|||
|
in effect at the time of the election.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
(End of resolution.)
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
2.0 Eligibility.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
The sysop of each public-access node in the FidoNet nodelist
|
|||
|
issued on October 27 (NODELIST.300) is eligible to vote.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
2.1 Definition of "public access".
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
The IFNA by-laws define "public access" as "A system that has a
|
|||
|
telephone number published in the FIDONET NODELIST, and in
|
|||
|
addition provides services to the public."
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
For the purposes of this vote, a system will be considered
|
|||
|
"public access" if it (1) is listed in the nodelist (see section
|
|||
|
2.3) without a status of "Pvt", "Hold", or "Down" AND (2) has a
|
|||
|
unique telephone number. This specifically includes MO [mail
|
|||
|
only] systems.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
In cases where multiple systems are listed using the same
|
|||
|
telephone number, only the sysop of the "primary system" is
|
|||
|
entitled to a vote. The "primary system" is determined by the
|
|||
|
address by which the system identifies itself during Zone Mail
|
|||
|
Hour.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
2.2 Definition of "sysop".
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
Each person receives only one vote, regardless of how many
|
|||
|
systems he or she runs, and what names are used in the nodelist.
|
|||
|
For example, Steve Bonine runs two separate FidoNet systems,
|
|||
|
115/444 and 115/777, with slightly different sysop names, but
|
|||
|
this entitles Steve Bonine to only one vote.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
Network Coordinators (Regional Coordinators for independent
|
|||
|
nodes) will, to the best of their ability, enforce the one-
|
|||
|
person-one-vote rule. These are the individuals at the best
|
|||
|
level to know the sysops.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
2.3 Definition of "nodelist".
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
For purposes of determining eligibility, the nodelist segment
|
|||
|
from the zone where the node resides will be used. In other
|
|||
|
words, NODELIST.300 as it exists in zone 1 is used to determine
|
|||
|
whether a given sysop in zone 1 is eligible; NODELIST.300 as it
|
|||
|
exists in zone 2 is used to determine eligibility for a zone-2
|
|||
|
sysop, and so on. This negates any effects of non-
|
|||
|
synchronization of nodelists for that particular edition.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
FidoNews 6-44 Page 13 30 Oct 1989
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
2.4 Definition of "sysop".
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
Only the sysop listed in the nodelist is eligible to vote. No
|
|||
|
co-sysops or point sysops associated with the system may vote.
|
|||
|
The voting right is not transferable; the person listed in the
|
|||
|
nodelist may vote but may not transfer the right to another
|
|||
|
person.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
3.0 Voting procedure.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
3.1 Ballot
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
The official ballot (see section 7) was published in the nodelist
|
|||
|
difference file (and thus will appear in the nodelist) for
|
|||
|
NODELIST.300. The ballot, resolution, and voting rules are in
|
|||
|
the October 30 FidoNews (FNEWS644.ARC).
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
3.1 Collection of votes.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
Network Coordinators will collect votes from their nets.
|
|||
|
Regional Coordinators will collect votes from independent nodes
|
|||
|
in their region. Sysops vote by sending netmail to their Network
|
|||
|
Coordinator (independents to the Regional Coordinator) with a
|
|||
|
CLEAR INDICATION of a vote of YES or NO, using the ballot
|
|||
|
published in the nodelist or a reasonable facsimile thereof. The
|
|||
|
voter will also provide a password (8 characters or less) to be
|
|||
|
used in a public list of votes. See sections 3.4 and 7.0.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
3.2 Acknowledgement of votes.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
The coordinator will acknowledge the votes received using
|
|||
|
netmail. Network Coordinators will handle this netmail in the
|
|||
|
same manner as if it had been received as normal host-routed
|
|||
|
mail, that is, if the sysop normally polls to pick up host-routed
|
|||
|
mail then that is how it will be delivered. Regional
|
|||
|
Coordinators will send an acknowledgement to independents unless
|
|||
|
prior arrangements are already in place for the independent to
|
|||
|
poll the Regional Coordinator (for example, an arrangement to
|
|||
|
pick up the NodeDiff).
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
Any sysop who votes and does not receive an acknowledgement
|
|||
|
within 48 hours should follow up with the coordinator to be sure
|
|||
|
that the vote was not lost. (Note: Coordinators take vacations,
|
|||
|
usually with the knowledge of the systems in the local net. This
|
|||
|
may explain a delay in acknowledgement.)
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
FidoNews 6-44 Page 14 30 Oct 1989
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
3.3 Responsibility of coordinators.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
The responsibility of the coordinator structure is to conduct the
|
|||
|
election. Coordinators answer questions on voting procedure, but
|
|||
|
are not authorized to speak for IFNA on policy questions.
|
|||
|
Coordinators are free to state their opinion, but may not
|
|||
|
pressure the sysop to vote in a particular way (YES or NO).
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
Coordinators have a responsibility to inform the nodes in their
|
|||
|
net (or independents) of the election. In fact, this is an
|
|||
|
excellent opportunity to make sure that all nodes in the net (or
|
|||
|
independents) are still capable of receiving netmail. However,
|
|||
|
voting cannot be imposed as a condition of being in FidoNet. If
|
|||
|
an individual prefers not to vote, that is their right.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
3.4 Public posting of votes.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
At the end of the voting period, each coordinator is to make
|
|||
|
available the results of the vote in their jurisdiction. The
|
|||
|
normal method of doing this is to publish the information in a
|
|||
|
local echomail conference. If no such local conference exists,
|
|||
|
the coordinator should include in the acknowledgement message for
|
|||
|
votes the method to obtain the results.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
In addition, the coordinator must respond to any netmail
|
|||
|
requesting the results. Coordinators are encouraged to provide
|
|||
|
the information in a file-requestable file named VOTEnnnn.TXT
|
|||
|
where nnnn is the net or region number.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
The results to be posted are:
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
(a) A list, by node number, of who voted.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
(b) A list, by password (see item 3.1) of the individual
|
|||
|
votes.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
(c) A count of the number of eligible voters in the net, or
|
|||
|
for Regional Coordinator's a count of the number of eligible
|
|||
|
votes from regional independent nodes.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
3.5 Example
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
Assume that there are ten nodes in net 115 who are eligible to
|
|||
|
vote. Further assume that the Network Coordinator receives the
|
|||
|
following votes:
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
Node Sysop Vote Password
|
|||
|
115/123 Elmer Fudd YES ABC
|
|||
|
115/456 Donald Duck NO DEF
|
|||
|
115/789 Joe Smith YES GHI
|
|||
|
115/987 Sue Jones NO JKL
|
|||
|
115/654 Deputy Dawg YES MNO
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
FidoNews 6-44 Page 15 30 Oct 1989
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
The Network Coordinator should post the following in the local
|
|||
|
sysop echo, and make it available a file named VOTE115.TXT:
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
Total number of eligible sysops: 10
|
|||
|
The following nodes voted: 123, 456, 789, 987, 654
|
|||
|
ABC YES
|
|||
|
DEF NO
|
|||
|
GHI YES
|
|||
|
JKL NO
|
|||
|
MNO YES Results: YES, 3
|
|||
|
NO, 2
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
In the actual vote, the passwords would be more imaginative, and
|
|||
|
the results would not be posted in node-number order.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
If Tweety Bird (who did not vote) sees her node number listed in
|
|||
|
the list of voting nodes, she can point out the problem first to
|
|||
|
the Network Coordinator and then to 1:1/11 if necessary. Similar
|
|||
|
action can be taken by any sysop whose vote was not recorded or
|
|||
|
was recorded incorrectly.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
4.0 Tabulation.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
Using the schedule in item 5, results will be reported up the
|
|||
|
coordinator structure. The three items in section 3.4 will be
|
|||
|
reported.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
5.0 Schedule.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
October 27: NODELIST.300 is published. Coordinators begin
|
|||
|
accepting votes.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
December 1: Polls close at midnight local time at the collection
|
|||
|
point. NO LATE VOTES WILL BE ACCEPTED.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
December 4: Coordinators post final vote detail (see sections
|
|||
|
3.4 and 3.5).
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
Note: Coordinators are encouraged to post weekly interim lists
|
|||
|
of which nodes have voted during the voting period, but should
|
|||
|
not post actual vote counts until the polls close.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
December 11: Deadline for challenges. Any questions based upon
|
|||
|
the public posting of votes must be received by the collection
|
|||
|
system no later December 11 at midnight local time.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
December 15: Deadline for Network Coordinator's to report their
|
|||
|
totals to Regional Coordinator's.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
FidoNews 6-44 Page 16 30 Oct 1989
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
December 18: Deadline for Regional Coordinator's to report their
|
|||
|
totals to ZC's.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
December 22: Results published in NODELIST.356.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
6.0 Miscellaneous.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
6.1 Proxy for the Network Coordinator
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
If for any reason the Network Coordinator is unable or unwilling
|
|||
|
to conduct the election, another individual may be assigned the
|
|||
|
responsibility by the Regional Coordinator, or the Regional
|
|||
|
Coordinator may collect the votes for the local net.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
6.2 Changing votes
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
Changing votes is NOT ALLOWED. Tabulating each vote once is
|
|||
|
enough work for the *C structure.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
6.3 Cheating
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
An attempt by any individual to cast more than one vote will
|
|||
|
disqualify that individual from this election.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
6.4 Appeals
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
The decision of the Network Coordinator or Regional Coordinator
|
|||
|
can be appealed to the IFNA Election and Nomination Committee by
|
|||
|
sending netmail to 1:1/11. (Note: No actual votes will be
|
|||
|
accepted by 1:1/11.)
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
6.5 Irregularities and Difficulties
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
Any problems with the voting process should be reported to 1:1/11
|
|||
|
as early in the voting process as possible, so that they can be
|
|||
|
addressed while the polls are still open.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
6.6 Determination of Number of Eligible Voters
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
Due to the way the resolution is structured, the determination of
|
|||
|
how many eligible voters exist is as important as counting YES
|
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6.6 Reporting of Net-wide Vote
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YES NO ELIGIBLE
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7.0 Sample Ballot
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My vote on the IFNA resolution published via NODEDIFF.300 is:
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Bulletin Board Software Network Mailers Other Utilities
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Timestamp 1.6
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Tset 1.3
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Timestart 1.1
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Tally 1.1
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Mehitabel 1.2
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Archie 1.60
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Jennifer 0.25b2g
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Numberizer 1.5c
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MessageEdit 1.0
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Mantissa 1.0
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PreStamp 2.01
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Saphire 2.1t
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Epistle II 1.01
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Import 2.52
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Export 2.54
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Sundial 2.1
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AreaFix 1.1
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Probe 0.052
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Terminator 1.1
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TMM 4.0b
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UNZIP 1.01*
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Amiga
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Bulletin Board Software Network Mailers Other Utilities
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Paragon 1.00+* BinkleyTerm 1.00 AmigArc 0.23
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WelMat 0.21* ConfMail 1.10*
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ChameleonEdit 0.10
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Lharc 0.50
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ParseLst 1.30
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PkAX 1.00
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Pktfix 1.01*
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RMB 1.30
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UNzip 0.86
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FIDO/FoReM Door 1.1* BinkleyTerm 1.03g ConfMail 1.00
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Pandora BBS 2.41c* The BOX 1.10* ParseList 1.30
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QuickBBS/ST 0.40* ARC 5.21
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GS Point 0.61 TurboArc 1.1
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LHARC 0.40
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PKUNZIP 1.00
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MSGED 1.96S
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SRENUM 6.2
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OMMM 1.40*
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Timestop 1.00
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+ Netmail capable (does not require additional mailer software)
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* Recently changed
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Utility authors: Please help keep this list up to date by
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reporting new versions to 1:1/1. It is not our intent to list
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all utilities here, only those which verge on necessity.
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NOTICES
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The Interrupt Stack
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6 Nov 1989
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Fall 1989 DECUS Symposium begins in Anaheim CA.
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Contact Kurt Reisler at 1:109/101 for more details.
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11 Nov 1989
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A new area code forms in northern Illinois at 12:01 am.
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Chicago proper will remain area code 312; suburban areas
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formerly served with that code will become area code 708.
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17 Nov 1989
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George Stanislav becomes a United States citizen
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23 Nov 1989
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26th Anniversary of "Dr. Who" - and still going strong
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30 Dec 1989
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Telephone area codes (5, 3 and 0) are abolished in Hong Kong
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**** IMPORTANT NOTICE ****
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As of Midnight (MST) on November 4, 1989, the msged echo is
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changing it's name. Due to a problem with Qmail, the msged and
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smut echoes are being crosslinked in a number of places. In
|
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order to eliminate this problem, on the 4th of November, the
|
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msged echo's areatag will change from MSGED to MSGED_ECHO. This
|
|||
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should alleviate the problem. This notice is also being posted
|
|||
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in the REC conferences and in the msged echo. If you receive the
|
|||
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msged echo or pass it to anyone else, please be sure to make the
|
|||
|
necessary changes on November 4. Thank you all very much.
|
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|
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jim nutt
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'the computer handyman'
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OFFICERS OF THE INTERNATIONAL FIDONET ASSOCIATION
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Thom Henderson 1:107/528 Chairman of the Board
|
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Les Kooyman 1:204/501 President
|
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Fabian Gordon 1:107/323 Vice President
|
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Bill Bolton 3:3/0 Vice President-Technical Coordinator
|
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Kris Veitch 1:147/30 Secretary
|
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Kris Veitch 1:147/30 Treasurer
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|
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IFNA COMMITTEE AND BOARD CHAIRS
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|
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Administration and Finance *
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By-laws and Rules John Roberts 1:385/49
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Executive Committee (Pres) Les Kooyman 1:204/501
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International Affairs *
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Nominations and Elections Steve Bonine 1:1/0
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Public Affairs David Drexler 1:147/30.20
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Publications Irene Henderson 1:107/9
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IFNA BOARD OF DIRECTORS
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DIVISION AT-LARGE
|
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10 Courtney Harris 1:102/732 Don Daniels 1:107/210
|
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11 John Rafuse 1:12/700 Phil Buonomo 1:107/583
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12 Bill Bolton 3:711/403 Mark Hawthorne 1:107/238
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13 Fabian Gordon 1:107/323 Tom Jennings 1:125/111
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14 Ken Kaplan 1:100/22 Irene Henderson 1:107/509
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15 Scott Miller 1:128/12 Steve Jordan 1:206/2871
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16 Ivan Schaffel 1:141/390 Robert Rudolph 1:261/628
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17 Kathi Crockett 1:134/30 Dave Melnik 1:107/233
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18 Andrew Adler 1:135/47 Jim Hruby 1:107/536
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19 Kris Veitch 1:147/30 Burt Juda 1:107/528
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2 Henk Wevers 2:500/1 Karl Schinke 1:107/516
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